Ken Hackathorn’s MarksmanShip Test. Can you Measure Up?

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Комментарии • 86

  • @Osprey1994
    @Osprey1994 Месяц назад +7

    Old school is an understatement.
    Even my manager who knows Ken says that Ken went about learning the dot the wrong way, but Ken is the type who is never wrong...my manager knows this because he was having the same issue, UNTIL he started working with Scott Jedlinkski, and now he is a MSP certified instructor and a dot adherent.
    The instructors I admire are all people who sre constantly hungry, constantly learning, and never sit back and act like they know everything.

  • @brianshuler6951
    @brianshuler6951 Месяц назад +9

    Ken is older than I am, but not by that much. I have followed him for many, many years and he is living history of the shooting sports.

  • @Felon_With_A_Gun
    @Felon_With_A_Gun Месяц назад +4

    First Channel I watched after purchasing my pistol and applying for my CPL last year was the Wilson combat channel.
    Ken and Massad Ayoob are treasure troves of knowledge. As much as I love those guys, this channel has helped me much more with self-defense aspects.
    No disrespect to the legends over at Wilson Combat of course.

  • @williamhoppe4500
    @williamhoppe4500 Месяц назад +5

    I appreciate the information that you always provide for us. Thank you

  • @jackreacher6758
    @jackreacher6758 Месяц назад +17

    10 yards
    10 seconds
    90 or better on a B8 target

    • @jimmeyers8960
      @jimmeyers8960 Месяц назад +4

      Wish that sort of summary would be added to these videos.

    • @user-ci2mn1oy3w
      @user-ci2mn1oy3w Месяц назад +1

      @@jimmeyers8960 much too slow. Men can charge 10 yds and stab you in 3.0 seconds, quite easily. some can do it in 2.5 seconds

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад +6

      There are two replies here that I’d like to respond to. First what ‘summary’ is missing? Second, this is a competency test, not a speed drill for an attacking person. Context in our training counts…

  • @strider8933
    @strider8933 Месяц назад +1

    I had the absolute honor to train under him 20 years ago. A true no shi##er. God love him! I still do "the test" every time as my opening drill. Your 95 is better than 90% of cops. Just know , Fear the old guy in a profession where guys die young!

  • @kurtis7328
    @kurtis7328 Месяц назад

    You convinced me to get a h&k p30 lem John. Loved it so much i went a got a second for the dry fire practice. Now i gotta get them sent to langdon tactical.

  • @BCM1959
    @BCM1959 Месяц назад

    I found this through Master Ken.

  • @joematiacio3449
    @joematiacio3449 28 дней назад

    Isn't Ken the dude that discounted the use of a red dot on a pistol on a YT video?

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  28 дней назад

      Yeah, he's not a fan and I think that's a mistake. Still, he's well-respected as a figure of history in the industry.

  • @MikeLuber
    @MikeLuber Месяц назад +2

    I cannot find the target you show with 4 B8's on one target. I checked Baker targets and nothing. Could you let me know where i can order? Thanks for ALL the info.

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад +1

      I don’t think it’s available. C2 Tactical has them made just for them I believe.

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад

      bakertargets.com/product/active-self-protection-target-2-250-pack/. There is that… those are actual B8 size targets but with the shapes inside them…

  • @JimmyDickens1
    @JimmyDickens1 Месяц назад

    John - last time I posted, you gave me gouge on endocrinology blood work and how it helped you. I went to my annual VA appt shortly thereafter and asked for a testosterone and thyroid check. Both came back in the lower portion of the normal range. So evidently I can’t blame my weight on that! I guess I’ll just have to continue walking and pushing my fat ass away from the table!! VA has a weight loss program I’m going to try as well. I’m not terribly over weight (I’m 6’0” and 225), but I’d like to lose 35/40 lbs and get back down to my Sailor fighting weight.

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад +1

      You can do it! And it's great that your numbers are in the normal range, that's a good thing!

    • @JimmyDickens1
      @JimmyDickens1 Месяц назад

      @@ASPextra Thanks for the encouragement, John!

  • @GaveMeGrace1
    @GaveMeGrace1 Месяц назад

    Thank you.

  • @markhatfield5621
    @markhatfield5621 Месяц назад +1

    I was under the impression that the 'Hackathorn' was shot at three distances.

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад +1

      That's the Super Test, which is an extrapolation of The Test.

    • @markhatfield5621
      @markhatfield5621 Месяц назад

      I looked around more and found he has a variety of standards and tests. All good.

  • @toddpipkin4355
    @toddpipkin4355 Месяц назад +1

    That drill should be the FIRST thing you do as soon as you get to the range. 100% cold, ZERO warmup.

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад

      Or, do it whenever you want.

  • @davidmann2988
    @davidmann2988 Месяц назад +1

    Nothing like practicing 2 dry runs. And from high ready. No draw.
    Very realistic.

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад

      Ok, let’s see the video of you doing it. Post me a link.

    • @jv18echo
      @jv18echo Месяц назад

      not sure what you do for a living or how you train, but all this "always train for real life stressful scenarios!" crap is bullshit. You get smooth and fast at the basics. Then you add stressors. That'a how you get solid while under stress/real life. Or.. do it your way. I mean, whatever. I cvame up through a very extensive tactical shooting background and mastering the basics was always first- no matter the level of training.

  • @ifly64s
    @ifly64s Месяц назад

    Great video. Just curious, why do you simulate recoil during your dry fire? Doesn’t this teach you to flench?

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад +1

      Reminds me to shoot my sights not a cadence.

    • @ifly64s
      @ifly64s Месяц назад

      @@ASPextra Okay, makes sense. I thought it may have something to do with returning your red dot to target. 🎯 I’m still learning with my dot.

  • @M_Swoles
    @M_Swoles Месяц назад

    Sounds a lot like LAV’s “The Test”. No surprising.

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад

      That’s not Vickers’ test. It’s Hackathorn’s.

  • @tzuriel2512
    @tzuriel2512 Месяц назад

    i don't understand the scoring. 5 of 10 are misses? And that results in a 95?

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад

      It’s shot on a B8 target, so each shot can be worth 0-10 points depending where on the target you hit. The closer to the center the higher you score…. So there are no ‘misses’ in this run, just some 9 point shots vs 10….

  • @BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw
    @BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw Месяц назад

    Those Wilson guys are living in the past. The future is now old man!

  • @RobertBatina
    @RobertBatina Месяц назад +3

    I can’t stop looking at all the damage to the ceiling. 😅 That can’t be actual round impacts can it? How old would a range have to be, to collect that many scars.

    • @thatonedoood
      @thatonedoood Месяц назад +1

      Every indoor range I've ever been to has had ceilings looking like that. Even more so if the range offers rentals to any joe schmo off the street. You gotta remember most gun owners aren't very proficient either.

    • @RobertBatina
      @RobertBatina Месяц назад

      @@thatonedoood I’ve only been to a couple, and they are in some of the bigger store/range establishments - I suppose they keep stuff a lil more spruced up.
      But cripes… maybe I shouldn’t feel as comfortable as I typically do when I’m in my lane, eh? 😅🤷🏻‍♂️
      Even with as little as I expect out of the typical human, I sure never imagined that many folks could be that wild

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад +1

      You haven't shot much with the general shooting public, have you? These ranges might take a million rounds a year each, and people of all skill levels show up to shoot. The baffles are there for a reason homie!!

    • @danielweissenborn3508
      @danielweissenborn3508 Месяц назад

      Have you been to an indoor range before and watched what people do?

    • @RobertBatina
      @RobertBatina Месяц назад

      @@danielweissenborn3508 yeah… granted, probably only a dozen times or so … but I never saw anyone doing anything but putting lead down range like most folks would want … that’s why it surprised me :)
      so I haven’t watched any beginner classes or anything like that .. just hard for me to picture how it happens that much :)

  • @Amalgam67
    @Amalgam67 Месяц назад

    I'm guessing that test wasn't designed for revolver shooters, was it?

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад +1

      Well, maybe if they had a 10-shot revolver. 😂

  • @rossdonaghy1748
    @rossdonaghy1748 Месяц назад +2

    You shouldn't flinch your gun when you're doing your walk-through, it's a bad habit. Rather curl your finger to simulate trigger pull without breaking range rules and squeeze holding the ideal sight picture to burn in some short term muscle memory.

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад

      Moving it to simulate recoil helps folks understand to shoot their sites and not a cadence.

    • @rossdonaghy1748
      @rossdonaghy1748 Месяц назад

      @@ASPextra Okay then.

  • @Grizzlytactics91
    @Grizzlytactics91 Месяц назад +4

    I see your cat ears. I hate them.
    Old advice is good advice, considering it's coming from a man who lived to be so old. So I agree with what Ken originally said, if you had to choose between a handheld light and a weapon light, go handheld. It just makes more logistical sense.
    And lastly.
    I want to see someone do this drill with a revolver. In fact. I'm in arizona. I want to find somewhere to do this drill on paper.

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад

      ruclips.net/video/PyknnWDEZZo/видео.html

    • @Grizzlytactics91
      @Grizzlytactics91 Месяц назад +1

      @@ASPextra no! I hate them more now. No fun. Nope.

    • @Grizzlytactics91
      @Grizzlytactics91 Месяц назад +1

      @@ASPextra ey. I slept on it. And I wanted to resend that. I absolutely hate them.

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад

      And I still don’t care

    • @Grizzlytactics91
      @Grizzlytactics91 Месяц назад

      @@ASPextra well. You should

  • @damonoswald40
    @damonoswald40 Месяц назад

    is it halloween there ?

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад

      ruclips.net/video/PyknnWDEZZo/видео.htmlsi=53ET2NsXXJUDh3vQ

  • @TTime685
    @TTime685 Месяц назад +1

    Are you wearing cat ears? Lol 🤦🏼‍♂️

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад +1

      Are you using emojis?

    • @TTime685
      @TTime685 Месяц назад

      @@ASPextra Yes that's what they're for.. What are your kitty ears for? I don't think I wanna know

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад

      ruclips.net/video/PyknnWDEZZo/видео.htmlsi=53ET2NsXXJUDh3vQ

  • @markn.1473
    @markn.1473 Месяц назад +1

    Imo, you should always start from the draw, I understand this is a marksman drill, p.s. hate the cat ears

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад +3

      I don’t believe you do understand that’s it’s a Marksmanship drill PS, your mom loves the ears.

    • @markn.1473
      @markn.1473 Месяц назад

      @@ASPextra 😂 thanks John, love the content

  • @Kh2456
    @Kh2456 Месяц назад

    Horrible drill. Cadence is a large part of the equation and this misses the mark. Bill drill is leaps above this one.

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад +1

      I think they each have their place. For you to call a drill like the Test, that's been around as long as it has, 'horrible' that tells me you are refusing to see the value on purpose or you can't do it. But if it's other than that, can you define you the WHY behind your lable?

    • @Kh2456
      @Kh2456 Месяц назад

      @@ASPextra it’s been around a while but not so relevant nowadays is it? It’s been surpassed by better drills that develop skills that can transfer to real life shooting scenarios. Bill drill and El pres cover all the bases. It’s not horrible just slow. If the par time was closer to 5 secs now we’d be talking.

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад

      You're assuming others have your skill set. Let's see yours on camera amigo. As a basic test of skills it's phenomenal.

  • @amstaffer1
    @amstaffer1 Месяц назад +3

    Stop with the cat ears already

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад +3

      Why does what other men wear frustrate you so much?

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад

      ruclips.net/video/PyknnWDEZZo/видео.htmlsi=53ET2NsXXJUDh3vQ

  • @tlc239
    @tlc239 Месяц назад +1

    I can't take you serious with those ears on

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад

      ruclips.net/video/PyknnWDEZZo/видео.html

  • @bryanst.martin7134
    @bryanst.martin7134 Месяц назад

    At best let's just say the ears won't come off as manly or maturish.
    They were cute as heck on my teen daughter who dressed her head like an Anime kitten for Halloween. But that's my opinion. You values may vary.

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад +1

      Tell me you’re a grumpy old man without telling me you’re a grumpy old man
      ruclips.net/video/PyknnWDEZZo/видео.htmlsi=hAJHx5xtk41bn7vA

  • @Almost_Made_It
    @Almost_Made_It Месяц назад +1

    Cat eat earmuffs…. What Reddit sub do you moderate?

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад

      What's The Deal With The Cat Ears?!
      ruclips.net/video/PyknnWDEZZo/видео.html

  • @jessesilva4768
    @jessesilva4768 Месяц назад

    Those headphones are not it. Distracting and can’t take a man serious when he’s wearing cat ears

    • @ASPextra
      @ASPextra  Месяц назад +1

      Ask your doctor if lightening up is for you.
      What's The Deal With The Cat Ears?!
      ruclips.net/video/PyknnWDEZZo/видео.html