If you come up with a simple mechanism to fix the stator to different bikes and the neodymium magnet array to different wheels you'll have an extremely competetive quality product. If the magnets were cheaper it would conquer the e-bike market. I had the same idea too. Good to see that someone else had the same.
Think eco friendly off road dirt bikes they've been selling the past several years...Up to 8 hours of off road riding on trails,small jumps even,mostly for exploring,or sight seeing,incredible torque...
A system with permanent magnets like that could also take advantage of regenerative braking storing the energy normally wasted as heat with friction braking down big hills. This bike would also benefit from a super capacitor bank for regenerative brake energy storage with LiPo main batteries. The caps can take massive charge energy fast were the LiPos alone can't. Make a shed for it with 4 100watt solar panels for the roof and you have free transportation.
@TheKaos90 I had the same thought, though I caution it with the consideration that at the outer edge of the wheel, the armature is "travelling" a greater distance along the wheel, meaning more pulses at lower power. Closer to the stator would mean fewer pulses at greater power. Correct me if I'm wrong as well.
Correct me if I am mistaken , but the power should be very good because the motion is applied the the outer edge of the wheel , where the leverage is much lower , right ?
@stiffyschlong Toothed belts are more efficient than small gearboxes Subjecting motors and gearboxes to bump accelerations will test all the bearings involved Keep it slack and well-ventilated
if they scaled down this tech and made a smaller, but more efficient power supply, and combined it with today's touch-sensor tech, it would be possible to make A-T's. the only problem would be, how long would the battery life last, and how much power would be able to be worked out of two-wheeled skates? pressure-sensors that control speed is possible today as it is used in prosthetic limbs. A-T's are technically possible if you have a budget close to $2.5m and a big enough design team.
@wolfekeeper It's probably cheaper (and lighter) to use a small diameter brushless motor and gear it up I can't see what's wrong with a toothed belt drive - at least for rear wheels That way the motor doesn't become unsprung weight either
Maybe you can prolong the battery power by doing a braking mechanism that can convert the energy into power, charging the batteries while braking returns some of the power consumed when accelerating.. just an idea
Good work you guys! The only moving part is the wheel and the acceleration is smooth! I'm curious if you have considered maybe using supercapacitors to help the initial push (when on the ground under load)?
@beachcomber2008 Reduction of efficiency. Unsprung weight should be negligible and IMO all these negative concerns about it is unfounded i.e. bullshit.
I like it! had a similar idea for a electric assist kit for a bicycle. Was considering doing a dual setup... one for each side of the wheel. for mechanical symetry.
I'll take mine with wheelnut locks, and beef those up a bit, I could sheer those off with an axe. Hate to lose my motor when my back wheel gets ripped off!
@stiffyschlong That's fighting talk :) That disc is ALL unsprung weight, and magnetic drives usually use iron to concentrate the field So, how much does your drive weigh, and what torque does it have? What power can it deliver?
You can see where you've got the rare earth magnets stuffed in that heavy disc, well if it's a damned BICYCLE, and not a proper MOTORBIKE - then you might as well follow bicycle doctrine and put the magnets in the RIM it won't help with weight to be sure, but the torque will be more direct, not have to leverage through the increased diameter. And the "disc caliper" type coil array could work more like a rim brake. It would weigh less overall, if only a bit more in the rim: offset w carbon rim???
with only those 3 electro magnets and its slow speed up it seems pathetically weak. like a 20w motor or something. you can already buy 1000w brushless hub motors with like 36 electro magnets around the whole centre. dragging the hub around it very well. i use a 750w one on my bike
now how much weight can you put on bike and get the torque to get rolling and to what speed for cruising. how long can it run before batts. get down to 50% ???
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synchro motors have shit torque, you can do the same thing more efficiently and with more power with a pulse width modulation controller on a regular motor.
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If you come up with a simple mechanism to fix the stator to different bikes and the neodymium magnet array to different wheels you'll have an extremely competetive quality product. If the magnets were cheaper it would conquer the e-bike market. I had the same idea too. Good to see that someone else had the same.
Those are the one's who shaped the future of our days.
Think eco friendly off road dirt bikes they've been selling the past several years...Up to 8 hours of off road riding on trails,small jumps even,mostly for exploring,or sight seeing,incredible torque...
A system with permanent magnets like that could also take advantage of regenerative braking storing the energy normally wasted as heat with friction braking down big hills. This bike would also benefit from a super capacitor bank for regenerative brake energy storage with LiPo main batteries. The caps can take massive charge energy fast were the LiPos alone can't. Make a shed for it with 4 100watt solar panels for the roof and you have free transportation.
This is awesome! -Being right out of a small shop like that. I'd love to see the continued development of this...
This idea is perfect for picking up all little metall particles on the roads... As in, you better make sure your driven wheel gets really good sealed
.3 g acceleration
60 kph top speed
95% effiiciency
@TheKaos90
the torque would be higher. Actually proportional to the radius of the stator.
This is the greatest motor I've ever seen!
Bingo
@BingoSunNoon to Someone asking via email, this was first built in 1999
Thats a strong one without control
@TheKaos90
I had the same thought, though I caution it with the consideration that at the outer edge of the wheel, the armature is "travelling" a greater distance along the wheel, meaning more pulses at lower power. Closer to the stator would mean fewer pulses at greater power. Correct me if I'm wrong as well.
Correct me if I am mistaken , but the power should be very good because the motion is applied the the outer edge of the wheel , where the leverage is much lower , right ?
That's a pretty cool hub mounted synchronous linear motor in anyone's money.
Looks a bit expensive on the neodymium though.
@stiffyschlong Toothed belts are more efficient than small gearboxes
Subjecting motors and gearboxes to bump accelerations will test all the bearings involved
Keep it slack and well-ventilated
if they scaled down this tech and made a smaller, but more efficient power supply, and combined it with today's touch-sensor tech, it would be possible to make A-T's. the only problem would be, how long would the battery life last, and how much power would be able to be worked out of two-wheeled skates? pressure-sensors that control speed is possible today as it is used in prosthetic limbs. A-T's are technically possible if you have a budget close to $2.5m and a big enough design team.
Nice..!!!
When will the bike be done?
When will you post nieuw video's?
I want more...!
@wolfekeeper It's probably cheaper (and lighter) to use a small diameter brushless motor and gear it up
I can't see what's wrong with a toothed belt drive - at least for rear wheels
That way the motor doesn't become unsprung weight either
Good work. Can you please share the theoretical work?
Maybe you can prolong the battery power by doing a braking mechanism that can convert the energy into power, charging the batteries while braking returns some of the power consumed when accelerating.. just an idea
Good work you guys! The only moving part is the wheel and the acceleration is smooth! I'm curious if you have considered maybe using supercapacitors to help the initial push (when on the ground under load)?
@beachcomber2008 Reduction of efficiency. Unsprung weight should be negligible and IMO all these negative concerns about it is unfounded i.e. bullshit.
I like it! had a similar idea for a electric assist kit for a bicycle. Was considering doing a dual setup... one for each side of the wheel. for mechanical symetry.
Is that runs only on 3 separate stator coils? Could you give us a clue?
how much does this cost?
I'll take mine with wheelnut locks, and beef those up a bit, I could sheer those off with an axe. Hate to lose my motor when my back wheel gets ripped off!
Great stuff - Halbarck array next?
haha I was thinking the same. was just about to write it. then i saw that you already made the comment :)
@stiffyschlong That's fighting talk :) That disc is ALL unsprung weight, and magnetic drives usually use iron to concentrate the field
So, how much does your drive weigh, and what torque does it have? What power can it deliver?
That's pretty sweet! Sounds like you have a bit of a balancing problem though. Did you make your own motor?
looks cool but only having coils on a couple of the magnets seems like a waste of strength in the design.
You can see where you've got the rare earth magnets stuffed in that heavy disc, well if it's a damned BICYCLE, and not a proper MOTORBIKE - then you might as well follow bicycle doctrine and put the magnets in the RIM it won't help with weight to be sure, but the torque will be more direct, not have to leverage through the increased diameter. And the "disc caliper" type coil array could work more like a rim brake. It would weigh less overall, if only a bit more in the rim: offset w carbon rim???
......... good look with a Pinarello or Colnago frame
You could make hubless motor with this
Judging by the size of the tiny coils, I'd say it can barely be a fan motor.
with only those 3 electro magnets and its slow speed up it seems pathetically weak. like a 20w motor or something. you can already buy 1000w brushless hub motors with like 36 electro magnets around the whole centre. dragging the hub around it very well. i use a 750w one on my bike
What're batteries for? Do they just make the starting torque or they have been used all the way ? ...till their complete drain?
great job!
how is this feasible?
now how much weight can you put on bike and get the torque to get rolling and to what speed for cruising. how long can it run before batts. get down to 50% ???
Very cool, keep up the good work...
Nice video
Till today after 11years there seems no more development & selling figure of axial motors , vehicle etc....
My friend you are very, very wrong
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@@rajendrachougule9560 Kollter ES1 Pro
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@beachcomber2008 Hmmm you're right.
What was the motor controller? Brand,type, etc...?
SynkromotIve AC www.diyelectriccar.com/threads/synkromotive-controller.203860/
Flux hub motors are not new . All magnet motors are flux motors one way or the other .
what happens when you run over a pot hole? or puddle?
Электромагниты слабенькие стоят. Наверно цель у разработчиков произвести экономную модель , в плане энергозатрат.
ugh... what? there are electro magnets pulling and pushing the permanent magnets around...
These guys were all buried in the same hole for saying "free energy" once during this video.
i only clicked cause it looked like capt americas shield in the thumbnail
good technique !
how about rainy dais?
torque?
что-то типа Шкондина соорудили, я так понял?
i see only 3 coild ? intresting
Power ?
Torque?
Voltage?
nerds RULE in motor sports
@jshewmaker3 Big Oil bought the thing and paid off the inventor. True story.
@Odziz cuz this is more complicated ;)
@Grousuba google ?
I'm sure this doesn't have much torque.
now make A-T's
Explain what this is. What power goes in. What power you obtain out.
I just saw: another electric-drive motor. So what?
Hold up this video is 11 years old WTF🤪
ВАМ слабо? как у Дуюнова (колесо дуюново)
time
hm...
this shit cost to mutch money for me
Looks fragile to me.
cm'on people. you got in all this trouble to make a video and post it on youtube. at the very least tell us the torque or something
looks cool, but is total useless design.
Regenerative braking for e-bikes sounds awesome, actually.
Now put a loud muffler on it the these republican Hardly Dividson motorcycle riders would buy it .
So what's so special about this?
looked pathetically weak... like 20w. next to no torque. probably 36V
synchro motors have shit torque, you can do the same thing more efficiently and with more power with a pulse width modulation controller on a regular motor.
linerror Im not sure by what you mean by regular motor, are you talking about a brushed or brushless motor?
is not magnatic :S !
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Bullshit. Know why? Energy source and consuming of the device was not described. So video shows nothing. Just another "movie".