These Tiny Motors Make Big Power! Why Supercars Choose Axial Flux

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  • Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
  • The McLaren Artura features a new 120º V6 engine, plus an axial flux motor.
    What's the difference between radial and axial flux motors?
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    The 2023 McLaren Artura is packed with fascinating new technology. It features an all new 120º twin-turbo V6 engine, as well as an axial-flux motor, for a combined output of 671 horsepower and 530 lb-ft of torque. Keeping everything together is a new carbon fiber monocoque, with a 7.4 kWh battery pack. Power is sent through a new 8-speed dual clutch transmission, which also houses the first electronic limited slip differential in a road-going McLaren.
    What's the difference between radial flux and axial flux motors? What's so special about this new V6 engine? Watch to learn all about it!
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  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  Год назад +457

    *Apologies all,* I know the audio isn't great on this one. At 1:48 the audio improves, and you get into the nerdy details/advantages of the axial flux motor. Sometimes I experiment with different audio setups - I tested this new mic setup at home and things went great, took it out for a shoot and it simply picks up way too much external noise (the interior is not as loud as this video makes it seem). I promise I'll learn from it, but I'll also probably make mistakes in the future - so it goes, appreciate you watching!!
    For some fun info, both Ferrari and Koenigsegg are also using this style of electric motor. Becoming more popular in the supercar segment! Mercedes also using it. Will be curious to see if the trend continues.

    • @desultorilypanacea
      @desultorilypanacea Год назад +10

      Could we get a video about Tesla semi only recommended charging to 80%. Also what kind of range in Canadian winter if you stick to 80% recommendation.

    • @gerenkaplan1731
      @gerenkaplan1731 Год назад +5

      Are you gonna do a engineering breakdown on the Tesla semi revisited

    • @Cal94
      @Cal94 Год назад +5

      perhaps it was the mounting more than the gear, transmitting the cabin noise?

    • @TheElipsus
      @TheElipsus Год назад +12

      That's honestly really bad, at this point you should have reshoot the audio in your home, and overlay generic images instead of you in that car, as it being absolutely nothing to the video

    • @garyandtricia1
      @garyandtricia1 Год назад

      Thank you for that.

  • @kalabash72
    @kalabash72 Год назад +1185

    Did you ever think you'd get to the point in your RUclips career that you'd start off your video with reviewing the latest McClaren? What a wild ride! Congrats

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  Год назад +613

      Haha, from a $375/month apartment (the early videos) shared with 3 other roommates in college, to the inside of a $278k McLaren. I'm okay with that! 😂

    • @Sonny_McMacsson
      @Sonny_McMacsson Год назад +70

      @@EngineeringExplained A $375/mo apartment still probably has more room to live in than any McLaren, unless you're testing a new McLaren motor home.

    • @kalelwilson8337
      @kalelwilson8337 Год назад +19

      ​@@EngineeringExplained you've done well young Padawan...lol

    • @787blah
      @787blah Год назад +2

      @@Sonny_McMacsson you missed the point

    • @Sonny_McMacsson
      @Sonny_McMacsson Год назад +5

      @@787blah Try to keep up, mate.

  • @soundslight7754
    @soundslight7754 Год назад +10

    I had an MRI scan many years ago, this car sounds just like that!

    • @Skelterbane69
      @Skelterbane69 Год назад +2

      Idk if that's a good or bad thing..

    • @soundslight7754
      @soundslight7754 Год назад +1

      @@Skelterbane69 You're cordially invited to make up your own mind on that😋
      One thing should be clear: the sound was distinct and has left a lasting impression. I've worked for McLaren at their world famous Surrey HQ and heard enough engine sounds, seen enough unique cars there to last me a life time

  • @wiredforstereo
    @wiredforstereo Год назад +22

    These rotors are also much easier to make on your own if you want to build something like a wind turbine or low head water turbine. Been wanting to build one for years. One day.

    • @niruvibes
      @niruvibes Год назад +1

      how would i make one

    • @wiredforstereo
      @wiredforstereo Год назад +6

      @@niruvibes Buy the book "Homebrew Wind Power." The process is lined out there. You use specially shaped coils of wire cast in resin, with neodymium magnets, and a trailer wheel hub to spin on. Pretty good homebrew energy information.

    • @niruvibes
      @niruvibes Год назад +2

      @@wiredforstereo interesting thanks

    • @sneaky_krait7271
      @sneaky_krait7271 Год назад

      @@niruvibes Also many videos about it on youtube!

    • @Dazza_Doo
      @Dazza_Doo Год назад +3

      The goal is to get away from Rare-Earth magnets. As someone who is Very interested in in DIY and everything Electromagnetics/Electronics, the more I can source myself the better off. At this moment we have beautiful electric motors, the main issue is Batteries.
      The Future is Electric, I've believed this for decades, with Electricity I can pull water from the sky (not efficiently).
      Remember that Electrical Energy flows around the Wires, not though them.

  • @OVER-bENGINEERED
    @OVER-bENGINEERED Год назад +1

    My 1983 antique boat has an axial flux motor. I might be the only person who upgraded a boat from radial flux to axial flux!

  • @mlivshiz
    @mlivshiz Год назад

    The primary reason for having a 120 degree V angle is balance: this is the most optimal configuration for a V6 to eliminate primary forces. I learned that from @driving4answers.

  • @paycheckvomitthorax
    @paycheckvomitthorax Год назад

    Your videos are magnificent….. love the technological explanations…. just extremely well done.

  • @raghavparihar6272
    @raghavparihar6272 Год назад

    An Indian company by the name of Tork Motors has made and are using Axial flux motor in its Electric Motorcycle. Its amazing.

  • @HolloMatlala1
    @HolloMatlala1 Год назад

    As they raid my old things....You guys are focused on the future.

  • @D0li0
    @D0li0 Год назад

    Is the 2000 Honda Insight IMA pancake motor radial or axial?

  • @miamisasquatch
    @miamisasquatch Год назад

    You didn't even mention how axial flux motors end windings are being manipulated to reduce winding losses!

  • @Curd-he6uz
    @Curd-he6uz 8 месяцев назад

    Are the electric motors for the McLaren Artura sourced from Yasa? Or are they from another manufacturer? If so, from whom?

  • @Anonymau5_420
    @Anonymau5_420 Год назад +167

    Really cool to see this, i actually work at yasa motors in oxford uk, these are the motors that we produce everyday for mclaren, mercedes and ferrari, great to hear jason talking about this!

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  Год назад +25

      Right on, cool job!

    • @ristekostadinov2820
      @ristekostadinov2820 Год назад +5

      Why these motors aren't used in EVs, are they more expensive to produce or there is some other issue. From packaging standpoint these bad boys are no brainer.

    • @zackklapman3569
      @zackklapman3569 Год назад +1

      Was gonna say that the Ferrari 296 uses one of these too. Super compact and cool!

    • @bradweinberger6907
      @bradweinberger6907 Год назад +8

      @@ristekostadinov2820most ev's arent as space limited and are instead cost limited and need higher volume.

    • @williamgrimes2014
      @williamgrimes2014 Год назад +3

      have any motorcycle companies jumped on this tech yet?

  • @mt2nv1
    @mt2nv1 Год назад +383

    Not sure what’s more impressive, the axial flux motor or Jason’s ability to remember this information, articulate it and drive at the same time in an easily understandable way. Been a fan of the channel for years. Never ceases to amaze me! Thanks for everything you do!

    • @ShahabazBagwan
      @ShahabazBagwan Год назад +7

      After you mentioned it. I just realized it and now I am amazed as well.

    • @whitlermountain7198
      @whitlermountain7198 Год назад

      That's insane, Jason's running on that demon time

    • @kevinburke6743
      @kevinburke6743 Год назад +1

      Never mind his Mike being duff, why does he have to talk over a droning engine to talk about an electric motor???

    • @JoeOvercoat
      @JoeOvercoat Год назад +3

      I usually take exception to people talking to the camera while they drive but this guy handles it as if he was an ex-aviator. 👍
      p.s. don’t try this at home people folks and those with similar channels you’re not as good as this guy so you should not do this, no.

    • @kevinburke6743
      @kevinburke6743 Год назад +3

      @@JoeOvercoat This Jason is a university professor & professional orator. He does this for a living & he's damn good at it & vastly experienced! Just saying!

  • @garyandtricia1
    @garyandtricia1 Год назад +75

    Man, the interior noise is crazy loud in that thing.

    • @E92M3
      @E92M3 Год назад +12

      its a supercar.. if you want to be insulated from the road and engine noise go by an S class

    • @garyandtricia1
      @garyandtricia1 Год назад +32

      @@E92M3 thanks for the obvious explaination and your permission to buy wantever I want, no need to be a jerk over such a simple comment.

    • @dewiz9596
      @dewiz9596 Год назад +29

      @@E92M3 : The point us, it makes the video unwatchable

    • @OGMikeGyver
      @OGMikeGyver Год назад +17

      I had to stop the video early. The noise wasn't worth it

    • @Blox117
      @Blox117 Год назад +10

      he could have done better noise isolation (lapel mic) and post editing

  • @goyban
    @goyban Год назад +8

    Sound quality is very poor, hard to understand!

  • @Blox117
    @Blox117 Год назад +60

    the magnetic flux can also flow from the north pole on one side to the south pole on the other rotor. this results in greater magnetic flux density around the stator since the magnetic field lines are being squeezed towards a parallel line between each magnetic pair that passes thru the stator.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  Год назад +19

      Yep! Use it on both sides, and the rotors simply have opposite poles.

    • @joeshumo9457
      @joeshumo9457 Год назад

      That’s the first thing I was thinking as well.

    • @kevinburke6743
      @kevinburke6743 Год назад

      @@EngineeringExplained Why use axial flux or radial flux? Why not use racial flux? A father & Son American company invented the electric motor sandwich! They a radial flux motor between two halves of a an axial flux motor. This uses ends of the radial stator copper as the starter for the axial motors at each end. Free extra energy, power & torques. Check out the Hunstable electric turbine.

    • @JohnWiku
      @JohnWiku Год назад +2

      @@kevinburke6743 There's no such thing as "racial" flux, keep race out of this discussion, what you mean is something else. Here's a quote from the article you are mentioning:
      "Linear Labs says all the HET generates all torque in the direction of rotor motion. In a promotional video, Fred Hunstable said, “We call it circumferential flux, sort of like a torque tunnel.”
      Hunstable coined his motor as circumferential flux motor.

  • @drajitshekher
    @drajitshekher Год назад +72

    Welcome back. A really interesting video after a really long time. I would love to hear more focussed episodes on individual parts of this car. I really want to know about the clutches -- between the engine and the motor and between the motor and the transmission.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  Год назад +13

      Thanks! New videos every other Friday - I think they're interesting, but doesn't mean everyone will haha.

    • @MisterDaxter
      @MisterDaxter Год назад +1

      @@EngineeringExplained I find anything McLaren interesting. They really know how to engineer cars.

    • @kalagift2575
      @kalagift2575 Год назад +1

      You read my mind there, the packaging at the rear would be so interesting to know

    • @fduran6993
      @fduran6993 Год назад +2

      McLaren should invite you to its premises.

  • @Zundfolge
    @Zundfolge Год назад +49

    I have to wonder if 4 of these little motors (one at each corner) wouldn't make for an amazing EV experience. Not in supercar territory, but on something the size of a Miata I imagine it would be pretty good.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  Год назад +47

      Ha, I'd love to see a lightweight option in the EV space. Miata with two of these at the back & smaller battery good for 150 miles? I'm in!

    • @caseymurray7722
      @caseymurray7722 Год назад +15

      @@EngineeringExplained That's very similar to the original Tesla Roadster. I hope that maybe Lotus, considering they're going all in on evs, would bring back the light weight, good handling, and not just horsepower focused ev.

    • @GeraldMMonroe
      @GeraldMMonroe Год назад +7

      It certainly would be elegant engineering wise. Hub motors or short driveshaft direct inboard motors, and each wheel module is independently electrically steerable. A manufacturer could make combinatorial lines of modules from common parts for different combinations of wheel size, power requirements, and vehicle mass requirements.

    • @kchristensen6283
      @kchristensen6283 Год назад +5

      @@EngineeringExplained - Would benefit from being diff mounted like brakes on older jags. Surely the weight being 100% sprung and centered would be better for handling

    • @jpe1
      @jpe1 Год назад +1

      @@EngineeringExplained it won’t seat 2 people like a Miata, but the EVSR electric sports racer weighs 1,900lbs and uses direct drive electric motors (though they are radial flux, not axial) and just set a record for an EV, over 1,500 miles at the 25 Hours of Thunderhill last weekend.

  • @just.jose.youtube
    @just.jose.youtube Год назад +27

    Congratulations on another super interesting video, Jason! :)
    Love your videos. 🙂 Would love them even more if you could have the metric conversions on screen when talking about weight, distance, speed... I think it would be a great help for us, decimal heads. 😁

    • @philiptownsend4026
      @philiptownsend4026 Год назад

      That's a Yes from me too. Though I think and work in a strange hybrid of Metric and Imperial systems.

  • @christopherbiomass7155
    @christopherbiomass7155 Год назад +12

    This is exactly the kind of plug-in hybrid turbo technology I've wanted! Throwing in the axial flux motor there makes it even that much better. With the battery regen modes, and hydraulic assist steering - it's like they were reading my mind.
    Now if they could put the same sort of features in a more affordable package.

  • @bsmukler
    @bsmukler Год назад +63

    This is one of your best videos ever. Truly fascinating design and engineering, and great sound and images of that beautiful car. My first thought was that it’s a P1 that “normal” enthusiasts can actually buy.

  • @MassiveTrackHunter
    @MassiveTrackHunter Год назад +8

    Getting 100hp out of something half the size of a torqueconverter, is AMAZING. Basically put two of those together in a transmission for 200hp, and run any small car without the weight and cubic feet space requirement of an actual engine bay! Imagine what engineers can do with the entire driveline being basically a transmission under the car and no engine bay at all, and still get several hundred horsepower out of it with 2-3 of these motors packed down there.

  • @MrZauberwuerfel
    @MrZauberwuerfel Год назад +6

    As an electric motor designer, I have to say that I am impressed by your video. Some people make videos saying, that AF motors are better in every way, which is not true. However I want to clear up a few minor points: (AF = axial flux, RF = radial flux)
    McLaren says, its the first series production vehicle road vehicle using an AF motor. However the Ferrari SF90 Stradale also has an AF motor. Am I missing something here? Surely McLaren would know that.
    The more crucial point for this video are the advantages of the AF motor. Generally RF motors have higher power densities. For example the SF90 front (RF) motors have 99kW at 12kg (133hp at 26,5lbs). This is because they spin up to 25000 rpm. They don't need to have much torque to achieve that power due to the high speed. This AF motor has 70,1kW at 15,4 kg (94hp at 34lbs). So less power and more weight.
    The reason, why the AF motors are good at this application, is that they make good power at speeds of the ICE.
    In pure EVs you generally only care about power density (and field weakening range). Torque density does not really matter much, because you can multiply the torque with a gearbox. That's why pure EVs generally have RF motors.

    • @riba2233
      @riba2233 Год назад

      Good post!

    • @BlaineRush-b8h
      @BlaineRush-b8h 3 месяца назад +1

      So axial flux motors have higher torque but can’t spin as fast due to bigger diameter rotors, so less power overall.
      It seems that axial flux would make better hub motors for cars because of the 1:1 rpm with the wheels (low speed) and their shape which matches that of a wheel more closely.

  • @joyceofdriving4954
    @joyceofdriving4954 Год назад +21

    I love that your are rolling off all the tech while your driving. You prepared very very well for this video. Great work!

  • @Aunva13
    @Aunva13 Год назад +2

    As an engineer for YASA, the motors that we have created for McLaren and Ferrari are impressive in their size and weight but we have much more powerful motors that are about the same size.
    The stuff we are working on at the moment is pushing the limits of materials, manufacturing techniques and engineering design which will be announced soon

  • @613Builds
    @613Builds Год назад +1

    Very informative car cruise video 😎👍🏽 enjoyed. Cool car. Its interesting watching automobiles evolve over the decades .

  • @fab10barr0s
    @fab10barr0s Год назад +3

    I work in the automotive industry, and I'm passionate about electric motors. I was iterating in my head how to improve the performance and efficiency of electric motors and my conclusion was the same design of these axial flux motors. It's quite interesting.

    • @user-fo7mf9nd2h
      @user-fo7mf9nd2h Год назад +1

      In terms of energy density and efficiency, radial flux motors, especially synchronous PMMs, are better at that job. That's why they are used in most automotive applications. For P2, of course, you gonna need an axial-flux motor (like Ferrari does for their SF90). P4 is always radial-flux though.

  • @ARPLATINUM
    @ARPLATINUM Год назад +3

    Welcome!

  • @teemo5409
    @teemo5409 Год назад +7

    Amazing tutorial throughout the entire video about how this particular vehicle performs and why it is able to do what it does. Very high knowledge level " dumbed down " so even I can understand this particular vehicle's drive train. It was so nice to learn ,I even have it saved in one of my playlists. Thank you Engineering Explained 🙏 😘 ☺️.

  • @kooooons
    @kooooons Год назад +1

    Kinda want that 94hp, 17 kg motor to be compatible with the transmission of old econobox cars. I'd estimate those cars would lose somewhere in the area of 150 kg of engine, exhaust, tank and fuel system which would make room for this engine and about 16 kWh of lfp battery without adding weight. That would be ultimate upcycling of cheap old cars ...

  • @leok3347
    @leok3347 Год назад +19

    Question: With this in technology in mind I have though of the tiny V12 engines back in the early days of ferrari ... they had high rev but no torque do you think we could potentially see a comeback of super tiny (maybe high efficient) low displacement v12-v10-v8 hybrids?

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  Год назад +21

      I don't think we'll see tiny high cylinder count engines much more. It's a lot of complexity/cost without much benefit, versus simply choosing a smaller cylinder count.

    • @jamesengland7461
      @jamesengland7461 Год назад +2

      A Ferrari 250 with a 3 liter V12 with this motor would be great!

    • @caseymurray7722
      @caseymurray7722 Год назад +2

      I would assume that high revving v6 or i4 engines would be a possibility instead. The cost and extra fuel consumption doesn't make sense. Porsche will most likely continue using high revving 6 and 4 cylinders as they switch to more hybrid models in future.

    • @zibingotaeam3716
      @zibingotaeam3716 Год назад +4

      @@caseymurray7722 Porsche has stated already that the 911 will stay on liquid fuels and they are building a zero emissions fuel plant in Chile that will be quite competitive at the current fuel prices.
      The rest of the lineup, i.e. the daily bread and butter (Cayenne, Macan, Panamera etc.) will follow the Taycan to be completely electric. For the european market, their range and features suffice.

    • @JoeOvercoat
      @JoeOvercoat Год назад

      A V3 is a more likely partner, nowadays. For better or worse.

  • @TheGinger1
    @TheGinger1 Год назад +5

    Thanks for doing a review where I actually learnt something rather than the normal reading of the spec sheet quoting bhp, 0-60 and top speed.

  • @Imr-rr
    @Imr-rr Год назад +1

    That axial flux motor..Is it from YASA? Now with that small size but powerful el. motor, finally small motorcycle could benefit from it. The only problem left now is the battery and packaging issue... Still cannot compare with liquid fuel tank.

  • @jinstube5522
    @jinstube5522 Год назад +4

    Having worked on the gearbox software I can say we definitely thought on putting an Easter egg for engaging all gears while in reverse! 😂

  • @timmurphy5541
    @timmurphy5541 Год назад +1

    Yasa is the company in the UK which is known for championing axial motors. It seems strange that McLaren wouldn't have got it from them even though Mercedes bought them.

  • @FixingWithFriends
    @FixingWithFriends Год назад +4

    I always liked hub motors, shifting the weight way down to the wheels is nifty. But wedging a motor in with the transmission is very cool also.

    • @JoeOvercoat
      @JoeOvercoat Год назад

      I never really thought about the rotational weight of hub rotors, but that’s what I’ve always wanted. Mercedes just put out a G wagon with hub motors but that’s a more appropriate application. I am a coupe kind of guy and really like what they’ve done here

  • @Kishgofu
    @Kishgofu Год назад +1

    i wonder if they could put one of those little acial flux motors into a small and cheap sports car. I don't need oodles of power. I'm in the market for a small, not too powerful, lightweight, sporty go-kart thing. like an mx-5 but electric.

  • @N20Joe
    @N20Joe Год назад +4

    The driving modes are clever! In track mode at WOT it can use all the engine power to drive the wheels, while not at WOT it can use the "extra" engine power to charge the battery for the next WOT burst.

    • @APFSDS-DU
      @APFSDS-DU Год назад +2

      What’s even cooler about that, is since the engines power is being used to charge the battery when pedal isn’t fully depressed, it’s still keeping the turbo spooled!

  • @dragmahk
    @dragmahk Год назад +1

    Great video Jason, however im not really a fan of the talking while driving. I really prefer the whiteboard/garage videos to understand the concepts. Cheers my friend.

  • @LordWaldema
    @LordWaldema Год назад +3

    My first experience with an axial flux motor actually was when I disassembled one of these Lego Spybot toy robots which also use these as drive motors, they kind of looked like a (permanent magnetic) washer and a spinning disk with 3 flat coils next to it.

  • @liv6646
    @liv6646 Год назад +1

    94hp? thats really impressive. Imagine a small ecobox with that engine, you could fit more batteries and still keep a small package. Or a car with one of these for each wheel

  • @jameshancock
    @jameshancock Год назад +3

    The other huge reason for the density is that because they produce lots of power at low RPMs you don't need to have a transaxle with step down gearing. You can directly drive the wheels. That means doing a 4 motor drive train is easier and lighter. Which means that you can get to 400 HP trivially and eliminate complexity and weight. And you can stack them on the same axle, so doubling power is as easy as putting 2 motors per wheel instead of one and now you have 800 HP.
    I suspect Tesla and others are going to Axial Flux soon for this very reason. The best part is no part. Removing the transaxle with no other real downsides and with an easy scaling path, and 4 wheel independent control is a huge win.
    The only question to me is who's going to try putting these in the wheel as unsprung weight and get rid of the axles entirely. Would be an interesting experiment.

    • @shapshooter7769
      @shapshooter7769 Год назад +1

      It'd be a hella overbuilt wheel hub of sorts.

    • @jameshancock
      @jameshancock Год назад

      @@shapshooter7769 actually Munroe did a video on a prototype and it was less than you’d imagine. And because there was no drive shaft going through they could build it differently. Sandy Munroe said that he couldn’t notice the sprung mass versus a standard Mercedes.

  • @ellingeidbo8469
    @ellingeidbo8469 9 месяцев назад +1

    I absolutely hate the fact that I was told to abandon researching this two decades ago because it was just another "internet crackpot engineer."
    Never listen to people who are dumber than you, even if they are your elders.

  • @Digital-Dan
    @Digital-Dan Год назад +8

    I'm particularly enamored of the car's ability to change exterior colors in a flash. Light blue, dark blue, yellow, orange, red, white . . . amazing.

  • @seanpalmer8472
    @seanpalmer8472 Год назад +1

    Hey! I know that road...been a while since I've driven it though. For those that don't recognize it, It's the road that runs around Lake Mead.

  • @AndrewGroat7
    @AndrewGroat7 Год назад +3

    Wow! Good job on this video Jason! As someone who doesn't know very much about electric motors, I wasn't sure what to expect. I was able to understand and comprehend everything you were teaching, and you kept it very interesting. When I first heard about this new Mclaren, I thought "just another supercar manufacturer building another hybrid car", but wow, there's a lot of cool new things in this car (I especially liked learning about the packaging advantages the 120 degree V6 has).

  • @beaches2mountains230
    @beaches2mountains230 Год назад +1

    YOUR THE ONLY PERSON I KNOW WHO'S GOING TO CHOOSE TO TALK ABOUT ELECTRIC MOTORS WHILE YOUR DRIVING A BAD ASS MCLAREN LOLOL...YOU SHOULD HAVE ENJOYED AN EPIC DRIVE AND THEN DID A WHITEBOARD LOL..ALL GOOD THOUGH BECAUSE I REALLY APPRECIATE THE KNOWLEDGE AND I HOPE THAT DIDNT COME OFF CONDESCENDING BC I LOVE THIS CHANNEL.

  • @MKNYC_
    @MKNYC_ Год назад +9

    When you mentioned "The Stator" I couldn't help but think back to the legendary Retro Encabulator video. Surprised this device didn't incorporate any hydrocoptic marzel vanes to prevent any potential of side fumbling.

    • @andoletube
      @andoletube Год назад +3

      I guess how "encabulating" it sounds it depends on your background. All I heard were very basic terms, nothing fancy - but that's because I've messed around with electric motors a lot. I can see how it would be pretty encabulating if you didn't have much experience in electric motors! 😅

    • @JoeOvercoat
      @JoeOvercoat Год назад

      Wait, isn’t that was those things on the side are? 🤔

  • @TheOriginalBumper
    @TheOriginalBumper Год назад +1

    Cool video on the technology of axial motor used in this super car. Glad they could wedge this powerful motor between the engine and transmission. However, why on earth is there a starter motor on the engine. Makes no sense .

  • @porshoterxx
    @porshoterxx Год назад +3

    Which would be better for a small fully electric city car, a classic radial flux motor, or an axial one? From this video, it seems like there are hardly any downsides to using an axial flux electric motor on those types of cars.

    • @zibingotaeam3716
      @zibingotaeam3716 Год назад

      in terms of packaging, the radial seems to win out. its a lot more flat, which means no "bump" in the boot that is hiding the motor.

    • @sneaky_krait7271
      @sneaky_krait7271 Год назад

      I'd imagine you care a lot about price here, radial is cheaper to make.

  • @spongesurf12
    @spongesurf12 Год назад +2

    It’s crazy to me how the weight of top sports cars is now normally well over 3000lb. I can’t believe the C8 Z06 as awesome as it is, weighs almost the same as my full size SUV. It has made high hp a must. I miss the Colin Chapman ethos.
    So that makes me curious about something that’s hard to sort out from online info, what engine configuration (# cylinders, displacement, layout, induction) has the best power and torque vs weight ratio? I’m including NA, turbo, blower, but if forced induction the weight has to include whatever extra pieces the FI requires over NA.

    • @TheBCninja
      @TheBCninja Год назад +1

      I believe it's the Koenigsegg inline 3

    • @2010ngojo
      @2010ngojo Год назад

      Honestly, unless it's an electric car, I wouldn't bother getting any "sports car" that easily weighs over 3300 pounds. At least with a electric sports car, all the weight is down low.

    • @PlatX
      @PlatX Год назад

      Theoretically, probably a highly tuned freevalve turboed V8/V12, think a combo of various Koenigsegg engines. Also, again hypothetically, to maximise power/talk-weight, you'd want this engine to be a direct injection 2 stroke.

  • @JackMott
    @JackMott Год назад +9

    For a while I autocrossed an MR-S, which is mid engined, very light, and has an open diff. You would never notice, the oversteer behavior was always wonderful. Other cars will 1 wheel peel all over the place. Often people make that worse or more likely with big swaybars. Big swaybars feel great but usually slow you down.

  • @_..-.._..-.._
    @_..-.._..-.._ Год назад +1

    The throttle being switched on and off is driving me nuts, my father in law drives that way, he can’t find an ideal throttle to cruise, he switches it on and off like a light switch. Uggh

  • @ryanking6811
    @ryanking6811 Год назад +8

    Jason! Great informative video as always!!
    Was actually curious if you still had your crosstrek. I am thinking about getting on in a few months, maybe you could give us a super long term review?? Regardless, keep up the awesome work!

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  Год назад +6

      Yep, still have it, 6 years old at this point and 50k miles on it. Love it. Only issues I've had are a wheel bearing (covered under warranty), and a brake switch recall. Great lil machine. :)

    • @JoeOvercoat
      @JoeOvercoat Год назад

      @@EngineeringExplained Just this morning i was waxing nostalgic for my ‘84 4WD (not AWD, no) wagon. It punched above its weight, to be sure.

  • @Cocytus
    @Cocytus Год назад +5

    Love this content. A nerd likes me geeks out over the complexities in the explanations of the topics. Engineering is so cool. Way better than Medicine IMO.

    • @revimfadli4666
      @revimfadli4666 Год назад

      What about bioengineering?

    • @annaczgli2983
      @annaczgli2983 Год назад +1

      This is fun. But, medicine's nerdy as well - check out the ChubbyEmu channel for fun differential diagnosis, if you haven't

  • @StepDub
    @StepDub Год назад +1

    This is going to be amazing in a bike. Couple it with solid state batteries and zooooooom!!!!!

  • @stanbrow
    @stanbrow Год назад +4

    Does the IC actually rotate backwards when using the enlectric motor to reverse the car? Seems to me that might be hard on things like cam drive chains et all

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  Год назад +8

      Haha, no, there's a clutch that disconnects the engine from the motor. Only the motor is spinning in reverse.

  • @judge831
    @judge831 Год назад +2

    I'm looking forward to seeing this technology trickling down to affordable sports cars. Maybe we'll see a hybrid MR2 with the G16EGTS turbo 3 from Toyota mated to an axial flux motor for about 400 hp. Although personally I think 300 hp would be plenty if it stays under 3,000 lbs. Lightweight slow cars are always more fun than heavy fast cars.

  • @hereigoagain5050
    @hereigoagain5050 Год назад +4

    Nice video. Flywheels are a means of storing energy. Could the rotors on axial flux motors function like flywheels?

    • @RIB0S0ME
      @RIB0S0ME Год назад

      No, due to induction. Faraday's Law.

  • @manolismarinakis8444
    @manolismarinakis8444 Год назад +1

    For the love of God, at least in the pop-up info tag-thingies put measurements in metric in addition to the freedom units you use and say... I don't want to have another tab open just to see how much the car or the motor weights

  • @zachcarrizales5038
    @zachcarrizales5038 Год назад +4

    The rpm limit on axial flux motors has mostly to due with the transverse force on the magnets

    • @csm153
      @csm153 Год назад +1

      Did you get your Engineering degree from clown college?

    • @zachcarrizales5038
      @zachcarrizales5038 Год назад

      @@csm153 As axial flux motors increase in rpms the rotor and permanent magnets have to resist the increasing shear forces.

  • @spewp
    @spewp Год назад +1

    I prefer my Jason videos with a white board and without the drone of an engine.

  • @Beni10PT
    @Beni10PT Год назад +2

    Why does the car looks like it is breathing @16:34 ? XD

    • @wolfkung3942
      @wolfkung3942 Год назад

      it's actually breathing wth 💀

  • @pierredelecto7069
    @pierredelecto7069 Год назад +1

    Those things would be sick for motorcycles. Mount it directly in the rear wheel hub then just mount a battery on the front in the frame.

  • @michaelwebber4033
    @michaelwebber4033 Год назад +1

    The most common washing machines sold in my country uses a very similar motor design and they've been using that for more than 20 years

  • @GeFeldz
    @GeFeldz Год назад +1

    Bespoke symmetric/mirrored turbos with McLaren lettering cast into them, i bet those are very cheap to replace when it's time! =D

  • @bigbrother9531
    @bigbrother9531 Год назад +1

    The back ground humming is annoying, is the hum a consequence of electric motors?

  • @davids9960
    @davids9960 Год назад +1

    I hope this axial motor catches on with other manufacturers, Mazda Miata perhaps?

  • @thedopplereffect00
    @thedopplereffect00 Год назад +1

    Why all the trouble with turbos and a transmission? Would really like to see a performance motor generator planetary gear system.

  • @papercrowe8772
    @papercrowe8772 Год назад +2

    That would make such a killer E-motorcycle motor!

  • @matthewmartel9295
    @matthewmartel9295 Год назад +1

    Can you reupload this with a voice over? The car sounds terrible on the inside.

  • @BillBadMule123
    @BillBadMule123 Год назад +1

    I am Done with any type of ICE engine ? 100% Electric only for me !

  • @toiletthinker8693
    @toiletthinker8693 Год назад +3

    The V-6 is not right by Jesus

  • @pathania3377
    @pathania3377 Год назад +1

    How do you think....a person can review and test vehicles for the company....
    Taking the fact if someone does not have a RUclips channel.
    Just testing the car for the company and telling the pros and cons.
    (Professionally)

  • @st33ldi9ital
    @st33ldi9ital Год назад +1

    That is engineering porn right there! Beautiful.

  • @SteenSgaardHansen
    @SteenSgaardHansen Год назад +1

    Six minutes and 40 seconds into the video I think I see the teeth of a conventional starter motor. Am I wrong, or has MacLaren really equipped their motor with such contraption, when they have a 95 horsepower motor, which should be able to provide the function of spinning the combustion engine?
    Thank You for an enligting and informative channel.

    • @riba2233
      @riba2233 Год назад

      Yeah I was also wondering, but they probably do it for redundancy so it can start if any part lf hybrid system fails

  • @jasongooden917
    @jasongooden917 Год назад +1

    You kinda have to wonder why they bothered with a turbo When the E motor has instant torque

  • @miamisasquatch
    @miamisasquatch Год назад +1

    The rapid generation of motor technology options right now is very exciting

  • @samcs06
    @samcs06 Год назад +1

    Could a car company make an affordable daily driver ev with one or two axial flux motors paired with a cvt transmission? You said these have a low rpm and the cvt could help with those highway speeds.

    • @brianb-p6586
      @brianb-p6586 Год назад

      You don't need a CVT with an electric motor - it would just be unnecessary cost, complication, weight, and power loss to friction.

  • @maulerrw
    @maulerrw Год назад +2

    Im prety sure the radiator fan on my 1986 Celica is a radial flux motor. I pulled it open to fix the bearing and it was like all the conductors were all flattened out into a disc. It looks really cool. First time I'd seen a motor like that.

  • @montedaestrada3563
    @montedaestrada3563 Год назад +1

    I stopped being impressed by expensive cars I could never dream of owning years ago but I am impressed by good design and engineering.This McClaren looks to be the epitome of both.
    I was fortunate to come across (one of) the original McClaren F1 pre production test cars in the UK in 1991 and that was interesting. Ive got photos somewhere.
    However, that radial flux motor has great potential for other small vehicle applications. If its a McClaren design then Id be selling it on licence.

  • @MBergyman
    @MBergyman Год назад +1

    axial flux motors are so rad. Please continue making videos in a quieter environment. I appreciate that you get to drive around a sweet McLaren, but the background noise makes it harder to listen.

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  • @Beevreeter
    @Beevreeter Год назад +1

    Seems like it's only a matter of time before they are building all EVs with axial flux motors built into each wheel and the rest of the space available for batteries!

  • @MartinBalle7
    @MartinBalle7 Год назад +1

    It looks like a Eddy current brake. Although it doesn't function like one

  • @crocodile2006
    @crocodile2006 Год назад +2

    I'm wondering if the Axial Flux motor could be packaged into the the brake rotor area and then used not only as an motor but also for 100% of the braking... perhaps using a high current storage device for hard braking (flux capacitor?)

    • @ThePentosin
      @ThePentosin Год назад

      That would be terrible for unsprung weight.

    • @2010ngojo
      @2010ngojo Год назад +1

      Basically 40 pounds of unsprung weight. Better off adding the motor to the drive shafts and have the brake rotors attached there too, if you want an all in one package.

  • @SeanReifschneider
    @SeanReifschneider Год назад +1

    You forgot to mention the other benefit of the Axial Flux motor: it's quiet.

  • @Beardchanics
    @Beardchanics Год назад +1

    Need a portable white board to put in the passenger seat ;)

  • @MariuszChr
    @MariuszChr Год назад +1

    Wait, aren't Ford using something like that in their... ekhm... Mustang... Ugh... Mach-E? I saw some presentation and their external shape looked similar.

    • @jsinclair39
      @jsinclair39 Год назад +1

      Only in the 1400hp Mach-E racecar. It uses 4 motors in the rear and 3 in front.

  • @bharath4632
    @bharath4632 Год назад +1

    The audio is a little muffled because of noise from the car.

  • @imranyaqub1790
    @imranyaqub1790 Год назад +2

    Engineering Explained becomes Cars Explained.
    Has to be one of the most informative car reviews I’ve seen in a long time, plus educational and informative.
    Great stuff 👍🏼

  • @lessardo87
    @lessardo87 Год назад +2

    Since it can't rev as high, could it be attached to a manual transmission so we can have a real manual in an electric car?

    • @pd4165
      @pd4165 Год назад

      There are many companies that just rip out the internal combustion engine and replace it with an electric one - it's the cheapest way to get a bespoke electric car.
      I don't know why you'd want to - leaving the transmission in place leads to horrendous losses due to friction (which is why there is a big difference between measured power at the crank and the wheel) and electric motors are really strong on torque (and have a massive rev range), usually the reason why cars have gears in the first place.

  • @briankuhn7396
    @briankuhn7396 Год назад +2

    The first thought I had: At 34lbs, we could easily put 10 of those in a single car! 😂
    In all honesty, why not one on each wheel?

  • @MrSpaced123
    @MrSpaced123 Год назад +2

    Engineers talking in pounds smh

    • @RYCSTEW
      @RYCSTEW 4 месяца назад

      Too complicated for ya?

  • @krisnadiimam4556
    @krisnadiimam4556 Год назад +2

    i suppose decently powerful axial flux motor + gearbox ( automatic or manual doesnt really matter ) is the key for fun and sportier driving EV. Can't wait to see it happening

  • @tysonprice6094
    @tysonprice6094 Год назад +1

    Great video but your throttle control on this video is so distracting. Just use cruise control or the electric mode next time

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  Год назад

      It's quite hilly, so there's a bunch of variance. Very few flat sections during the drive. Unfortunately it's more bc of the audio (see pinned comment) making it far more noticeable than it should.

  • @maxtorque2277
    @maxtorque2277 Год назад +2

    One problem with axial flux motors is cooling the rotor, which is not such a problem in hybrid applications where bursts of peak power are short, but is in full electric traction applications. The P1 motor as an internally water cooled rotor that means is has a very good peak vs continuous ratio!

    • @Aunva13
      @Aunva13 Год назад

      If you look at the shots of just the motor, you can see the ports for the coolant to flow through the stator

  • @nswgb69
    @nswgb69 Год назад +1

    Best video on this car I have seen. Thank you.

  • @SebasTian-od7oz
    @SebasTian-od7oz Год назад +1

    We need this 90HP motor on ebikes! :D

  • @05AcuraRSXtypeS
    @05AcuraRSXtypeS Год назад +1

    That overpriced euro trash drones soooo much