For anyone wondering about the "R.P.E. Support Unit" in the first clip, it stands for "Respiratory Protective Equipment", and I believe it carries extra air cylinders to replenish breathing apparatus which have been used.
Believe the RPE unit is only called out to the jobs that require massive amounts of ba kits both short and extended duration kits humberside has one but it's really used so it's never out only other time I've seen or heard that the RPE for the lfb was out was grenfell
You are correct.... RPE does stand for Respiratory Protective Equipment.... However we do jot carry Oxygen... We carry breathable air cylinders to replenish those used by BA crews at the larger incidents.... We belong to Protective Equipment Group (PEG) and we inspect and maintain lots of the Brigades equipment including BA sets, Technical Rescue Equipment and Hose.....
I'm surprised LFB are still using the 06/56 and 07/57 Atego pumps I understand they are so knackered they spend as much time in the workshops as on the run. The pumps LFB sent up to the moorland fires in Gtr Manchester/West Yorkshire last year for water relays were admittedly brigade reserve appliances but still they were in crap condition. For those who are unaware the MAN HVP has 2 tones because it's not owned by Asset Co (LFB). It is part of the government owned new dimension fleet and 2 tones are pretty much standard on them.
@@abingdonboy Asset Co gained the contract to manage London Fire Brigade on the false promise that they could make substantial savings. They tried to achieve this by closing fire stations, reducing appliance and firefighter numbers and attempting to run older high mileage vehicles well beyond their useful life. They failed miserably and twice went broke and had to be bailed out by the government. They also run Lincolnshire fire and recue service, that contract is contentious also. The new dimension fleet was one of John Prescott's ideas to increase national resilience to major incidents and disasters. They are not fire appliances but a range of pod mounted support equipment (USAR; HVP etc) owned by the government. You might notice they have no markings other than Fire & Rescue. All fire services in the UK are allocated a number of these vehicles which are crewed and maintained by each individual fire service.
I read a few comments below whilst the opening ad played out and I thought “two-tones in London? Surely not.” Then saw the High Volume Pump relocating, and thought “here we go!” Great vid.
0:56 two police and a man in beret are happily chatting on boardwalk. As seen in many other video and fire action all arriving or departing vehicles and crew are left to their own. No team leader awaits them or warns them where to place themselves, no road police to clear their way.
Correct me if I'm wrong... Two skylifts? All those pumps, rescue tenders... I is this not a better, more effective response by LFB that what they doled out at Grenfell? Didn't they struggle to get even One Bronto to the scene?
There were more than 2 at Grenfell. The reason they weren’t able to effectively get them into service is because there are no access roads at the bottom of Grenfell tower.
@@CymruEmergencyResponder Thanks for that. You know, in all I read about Grenfell, that is the first time I've heard that. I still think on balance, that the response was inadequately planned and 2x Sklifts were not enough to tackle such a ferocity of fire. I understand that there was a significant delay in getting those to that fire. It would have been a completely different and probably significantly more effective response had Grenfell been in NY where I work. In NY it would automatically have been a 5-Alarm but would likely have escalated to a 10-alarm equivalent deployment with multiple units quickly being brought in from other boroughs as necessary. Speed was of the essence. What's your opinion. PS, Grenfell has become part of a case study here with LFB response being analysed, mostly for what could have been done better! PPS, My opinion is not so much based on the frontline guys as those in HQ charged with operational planning.
I don't know the specifics of the make up for that incident but I'm fairly sure Grenfell had around 40 fire engines, around 6-8 rescue tenders (FRU) and at least 4 aerials. The issue was those aerials were not long enough (32m) to get to the peak of the fire and that there was difficulty getting more than one to the fireground due to the road layout. This was indeed a dark night for London and things have changed - any high rise fire alarm will now immediately get 6 engines and an aerial deployed. The LFB have also ordered 64m turntable ladders which will now be the longest in the country.
bigdmac33 I don’t think the FDNY would have done any better. In fact, I think it would have been worse due to the ‘Separate Company System’ of working. In the U.K. firefighters don’t belong to specific ‘Engine’ or ‘Ladder’ companies and they are deployed in any role on the fireground. We don’t have the dangerous, and frankly useless, policy of walking around on the roof doing ‘vertical venting’ and as such the number of firefighter LODD here is effectively zero. We use rolled use instead of flat laid hose. All we have to do is throw out the roll and charge it. FDNY (and most US fire departments) have to drag out the flat laid hose, untangle, and then charge which takes far too long. Another good point is that British aerial appliances are far more versatile than those found in the US. In FDNY ‘straight stick’ and ‘towers’ are common whereas we use Aerial Ladder Platforms. These can do things like get the platform (you might call it the bucket) underneath a bridge that the truck is parked on. US style aerials would have been effectively useless at Grenfell, no matter how many you sent because you would not have been able to get close enough and wouldn’t have the manoeuvrability. Aerial appliances are generally less common in the U.K. anyway because we don’t use them that much. All of the equipment that would be carried on a US ‘Ladder’ is generally carried on an ‘Engine’ here. We don’t have many Aerials because we don’t use them in the same way. House fires for example in the US get a couple of ladders attending whereas here they may not get one at all. This is because generally we have far higher fire safety laws and building regulations, quicker firefighting practices/methods etc. Hope that helps :) nice to chat to someone from across the pond!
The town I live in (Basingstoke in Hampshire 🇬🇧) has had at least one ALP for as long as I can remember, as we have several high rise office buildings, and a fair few high rise apartment buildings (ex office buildings mostly, converted to residential use).
fire trucks can easily serve for 2 decades at the first department, and after that it's not uncommon that they are handed over to a volunteer FD which runs less calls, and after that they are often handed over to departments in e.g. south-eastern Europe or Africa
@ 0:03 what’s the functionality of the fire truck with a box on the back of it? More hoses and maybe a pallet of sausage and bacon? Joke aside it looks like something that carried mobile hospital or equipment to the scene of the fire.
Mini Driver/south Sweden no worries. If the Incident Commander requires extra equipment to be brought from stores then this is the Unit that will bring it :)
They are not left without cover. Other areas send in cover vehicles and retained crews called in on standby rather than just for a specific call out. There may not be quite so many and they may cover a slightly larger area but they are never left without cover. Standard practice for fire, ambulance and police during major incidents. Cover can and is called from neighbouring Counties.
Again? LOB! You can throw everything you have at an incident, however, as seen lots of firemen walking around doing nothing, just let it burn, it would cost a whole lot less.
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For anyone wondering about the "R.P.E. Support Unit" in the first clip, it stands for "Respiratory Protective Equipment", and I believe it carries extra air cylinders to replenish breathing apparatus which have been used.
So essentially a BASU? Like the Volvo they used to have.
I believe so, only ever seen it on two other occasions both of which were 20 pump fires!
Believe the RPE unit is only called out to the jobs that require massive amounts of ba kits both short and extended duration kits humberside has one but it's really used so it's never out only other time I've seen or heard that the RPE for the lfb was out was grenfell
You are correct.... RPE does stand for Respiratory Protective Equipment.... However we do jot carry Oxygen... We carry breathable air cylinders to replenish those used by BA crews at the larger incidents.... We belong to Protective Equipment Group (PEG) and we inspect and maintain lots of the Brigades equipment including BA sets, Technical Rescue Equipment and Hose.....
Thanks for that! I can count on one hand how many times I've seen it out and little information about it.
What a marvellous job to London fire brigade for all the very hard and dreadfully conditions in todays heat wave fires hats off to all fabulous guys
Two tones!!!!! Like the days of the old Dennis pump escapes. Id be like a little kid in that.
They are the only truck in the LFB in operational use that does two tones! I would go check them out if I was you at somepoint.
Really happy you got the HVP on twos! Plenty of relief using noise also.
Well done! Shame about the huge cordon.
1:02 Really miss those tones on the fire brigade. When you hear them you instantly knew what it was.
Come to Germany here that is the ONLY thing we use.
I love a good two tone, brings me back to childhood a bit.
Oh lord! This is amazing! Love the oldies in the first shot! Great catches of all the relief pumps. Only a bit jealous :)
The two tone horns near the beginning - I’ll have a slice of that thank you very much!
Beau Sexon yes I noticed those 70s sirens
Made me feel like a little kid again hearing those
There go my plans for shopping in Walthamstow.
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Nice video and plenty of nice looking trucks as well, that was also a very large response for this incident... Tony j. from the USA 🇺🇸
Your name is Anthony?
FunFact! The PM (The truck doing the good old two tones) came from LFB CROYDON or LFB PADDINGTON. I am not to sure but its either one of them.
All the stores must be having a fire sale at the same time to provoke such a response.
I'm surprised LFB are still using the 06/56 and 07/57 Atego pumps I understand they are so knackered they spend as much time in the workshops as on the run. The pumps LFB sent up to the moorland fires in Gtr Manchester/West Yorkshire last year for water relays were admittedly brigade reserve appliances but still they were in crap condition. For those who are unaware the MAN HVP has 2 tones because it's not owned by Asset Co (LFB). It is part of the government owned new dimension fleet and 2 tones are pretty much standard on them.
John Bratley I agree with your point completely but I’m afraid that it is all down to government cuts.
John Bratley what’s the need for having two different companies with two different fleets?
@@abingdonboy Asset Co gained the contract to manage London Fire Brigade on the false promise that they could make substantial savings. They tried to achieve this by closing fire stations, reducing appliance and firefighter numbers and attempting to run older high mileage vehicles well beyond their useful life. They failed miserably and twice went broke and had to be bailed out by the government. They also run Lincolnshire fire and recue service, that contract is contentious also.
The new dimension fleet was one of John Prescott's ideas to increase national resilience to major incidents and disasters. They are not fire appliances but a range of pod mounted support equipment (USAR; HVP etc) owned by the government. You might notice they have no markings other than Fire & Rescue. All fire services in the UK are allocated a number of these vehicles which are crewed and maintained by each individual fire service.
John Bratley The PMs and Pods are now in the ownership of each service.
what does 06/56 and 07/57 stand for?
I read a few comments below whilst the opening ad played out and I thought “two-tones in London? Surely not.” Then saw the High Volume Pump relocating, and thought “here we go!” Great vid.
great video! I was surprised by the Peugeot Boxer
Totally agree. The Two Tone Air Horns our the Best. Great Music.🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
1:19 Thats the truck with the "Street Ends" arriving!
Reliefs on blues & twos? Done at normal road speed in our brigade. Are you sure it's not just the last of the 'make pumps plenty' arriving?
2:25 ... in the back of the engine... cyclists stay back .... thats superb !!!! I`d like to have this on our rigs too !!! great catch as well mate !
I have seen lorries which now have flashing LED signs with the same thing
Jake R. Yeeeaaa that’s good 👌👍
Wow fire engines as far as feltham went to tackle this fire in north east London
paul smith I know what the postcode is but on a map of London it’s located on the north east. And fair enough
First vehicle resilience lorry anyone have an idea what is it carrying?
HVP Two tone awesomness!!!!
0:56 two police and a man in beret are happily chatting on boardwalk. As seen in many other video and fire action all arriving or departing vehicles and crew are left to their own. No team leader awaits them or warns them where to place themselves, no road police to clear their way.
Is that every single truck on that side of London or something
Never seen such old fire engines
2004 merc et ex lfb in our station its like new
The big one at 0:57 used euro siren
Antonio Gravita FirePoAm No, it’s the old British siren. (Britain is Europe)
@@scimatarpictures Thank you
Feltham and Forest Hill LFB supporting Walthamstow? How stretched is that.
I know, Feltham is pretty much the other side of London
LFB’s got some cracking engines! Wish we had those instead of the American hand-me-downs!
1:20 looks like a Hytrans HVP hook-container .....
Correct me if I'm wrong... Two skylifts? All those pumps, rescue tenders... I is this not a better, more effective response by LFB that what they doled out at Grenfell? Didn't they struggle to get even One Bronto to the scene?
There were more than 2 at Grenfell. The reason they weren’t able to effectively get them into service is because there are no access roads at the bottom of Grenfell tower.
@@CymruEmergencyResponder Thanks for that. You know, in all I read about Grenfell, that is the first time I've heard that. I still think on balance, that the response was inadequately planned and 2x Sklifts were not enough to tackle such a ferocity of fire. I understand that there was a significant delay in getting those to that fire. It would have been a completely different and probably significantly more effective response had Grenfell been in NY where I work. In NY it would automatically have been a 5-Alarm but would likely have escalated to a 10-alarm equivalent deployment with multiple units quickly being brought in from other boroughs as necessary. Speed was of the essence. What's your opinion. PS, Grenfell has become part of a case study here with LFB response being analysed, mostly for what could have been done better! PPS, My opinion is not so much based on the frontline guys as those in HQ charged with operational planning.
I don't know the specifics of the make up for that incident but I'm fairly sure Grenfell had around 40 fire engines, around 6-8 rescue tenders (FRU) and at least 4 aerials. The issue was those aerials were not long enough (32m) to get to the peak of the fire and that there was difficulty getting more than one to the fireground due to the road layout.
This was indeed a dark night for London and things have changed - any high rise fire alarm will now immediately get 6 engines and an aerial deployed. The LFB have also ordered 64m turntable ladders which will now be the longest in the country.
bigdmac33 I don’t think the FDNY would have done any better. In fact, I think it would have been worse due to the ‘Separate Company System’ of working. In the U.K. firefighters don’t belong to specific ‘Engine’ or ‘Ladder’ companies and they are deployed in any role on the fireground. We don’t have the dangerous, and frankly useless, policy of walking around on the roof doing ‘vertical venting’ and as such the number of firefighter LODD here is effectively zero. We use rolled use instead of flat laid hose. All we have to do is throw out the roll and charge it. FDNY (and most US fire departments) have to drag out the flat laid hose, untangle, and then charge which takes far too long.
Another good point is that British aerial appliances are far more versatile than those found in the US. In FDNY ‘straight stick’ and ‘towers’ are common whereas we use Aerial Ladder Platforms. These can do things like get the platform (you might call it the bucket) underneath a bridge that the truck is parked on.
US style aerials would have been effectively useless at Grenfell, no matter how many you sent because you would not have been able to get close enough and wouldn’t have the manoeuvrability.
Aerial appliances are generally less common in the U.K. anyway because we don’t use them that much. All of the equipment that would be carried on a US ‘Ladder’ is generally carried on an ‘Engine’ here. We don’t have many Aerials because we don’t use them in the same way. House fires for example in the US get a couple of ladders attending whereas here they may not get one at all. This is because generally we have far higher fire safety laws and building regulations, quicker firefighting practices/methods etc.
Hope that helps :) nice to chat to someone from across the pond!
The town I live in (Basingstoke in Hampshire 🇬🇧) has had at least one ALP for as long as I can remember, as we have several high rise office buildings, and a fair few high rise apartment buildings (ex office buildings mostly, converted to residential use).
is that all of london turned out...wow
Most of the appliances filmed turning up are probably relief crews to relieve the crews that have been in attendance from the first shout.
How did the fire start
I remember that day i literally looked off my balcony and was just there like why is there smoke and the found out why later
Jesus, LFB are running some ancient vehicles.
fire trucks can easily serve for 2 decades at the first department, and after that it's not uncommon that they are handed over to a volunteer FD which runs less calls, and after that they are often handed over to departments in e.g. south-eastern Europe or Africa
@@EnjoyFirefighting but ive seen some with '68' plates
@@EnjoyFirefighting 8 years as a first line appliance and up to the same again as reserves in Greater Manchester.
@@Biffo1262 wow 8 years is a pretty short time ...
great video, beautiful vehicles!
What was that MAN used for with what looks like a container thing on it
High volume pump & hose layer
Was this the shopping mall on Selborne Road
Never mind it is 😅
Interesting OSU at the start. Never seen and RPE support unit before
On the bell as relief and some of the distances , bet there some brake pads going need replacing soon..
Hillingdon was furthest I think, a good 24 mile drive
Walthamstow right? Just few mins away from Walthamstow bus station?
Yep
Red Watch were on duty when the first calls came in reporting the fire and the relief crews are Blue Watch who came on duty at 9.30am.
Very nice video !
I was in another country when this happend.
@ 0:03 what’s the functionality of the fire truck with a box on the back of it? More hoses and maybe a pallet of sausage and bacon? Joke aside it looks like something that carried mobile hospital or equipment to the scene of the fire.
It’ll carry anything that could possibly be needed from stores.
It carries additional B.A Air cylinders for use at large incidents
@@alh3259 alright thanks for the info. Stay safe
@@CymruEmergencyResponder lol
Mini Driver/south Sweden no worries. If the Incident Commander requires extra equipment to be brought from stores then this is the Unit that will bring it :)
1:01- i didn't think that LFB trucks use that siren
Jesus christ they need some funding those are some ancient vehicles
5:48 lights and sirens?
It’s on the relief and not carrying any additional kit. It will have been ordered on to the attendance at normal road speed.
Stupid question but when did this happen?
Last Monday
This was such a beautiful mall. No more JD Sports, no more stuff.
Appliance towards the end minues its ladder !!??
It’s on the run as a Pump, not a Pump Ladder
Why is there a McDonald’s in the uk seen at 0:07!?
This must be on the news
My parents can’t find it
I'm still searching lol!
atinis same
first 2 units look cool
Damn, I always go to that mall to go do some clothes and food shopping, and its only around 20 minutes away from my house
Alhamdulillah you're lucky!
Gosh so many pumps,is it wise to round up so many puns and leave other parts of the city without cover.
They are not left without cover. Other areas send in cover vehicles and retained crews called in on standby rather than just for a specific call out. There may not be quite so many and they may cover a slightly larger area but they are never left without cover. Standard practice for fire, ambulance and police during major incidents. Cover can and is called from neighbouring Counties.
Looks like it's the world's biggest fire
Again? LOB! You can throw everything you have at an incident, however, as seen lots of firemen walking around doing nothing, just let it burn, it would cost a whole lot less.
always love hereing good out two tones
I love it, major Fire ✌
People die in major fires fucking idiot
4:45 anyone catch that unmarked Volvo on the left?
Where is the FIRE 🔥
TheSky1963 Tweddle Its INSIDE 🔥
I see it now
Plenty
Anyone fancy a ice cold beer!!!!
would have filmed a bit closer m8
I would have but the cordon was too large
OK mate good coverage tho just would have been better closer never mind
I see my self
Oki
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vff
Hate the old two tones
W11 34 212 275 W12 W15 69 257 215 W15 58 W19 20 48 675 were on diversion in Selborne Road
From bell corner