Holy Terror, Part 2 - Atop the Fourth Wall
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Linkara celebrates his 300th episode by looking at Frank Miller's Holy Terror!
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Originally uploaded June 30th, 2014.
ORIGINAL INFO: The 300th episode is here! What is so horrible to deserve the spot? Well, it’s Miller Time…
RUMINATIONS: It’s been commented to me that the bit at the beginning where I’m talking about the size of the book feels like an AVGN segment. While not meant to mimic any one rant he’s done, I’m proud that I was able to evoke that kind of sentiment. The great thing about a bigger episode like this is feeling like I can do more with the material than JUST review it, although really reviewing its inability to fit on a bookshelf certainly is part of it. It’s also been suggested it was deliberately made the way it is so it’d have to be put on display. I suppose it works, then, as a great big warning display about a person if they proudly have this out for anyone to see.
The cake featured in Part 1 was bought after we had finished filming a bunch of stuff for the fight scene at the end. It’s the same cake that would end up being promised for the 300th episode livestream… which is also something I should talk about. I was the first person on Channel Awesome to reach 300 episodes, so I wanted to make a huge production out of it. The Sunday before the 300th episode premiered, I hosted a huuuuge livestream event for people to watch. I had conducted a poll of my viewers earlier (that I had to cut short early due to the polling software charging money after a certain number of responses is reached) and one of the things on it was people listing their favorite episode. I tallied the results of the 2000 responses I had gathered and selected the top 10 episodes of the show to stream. It’s here where I realized that people LOVED the March of the Titans retrospective and that I should do more like it, hence the ROMtrospective and Blue Beetle retrospectives. In between each segment I had trivia and insights from other producers about me, the show, and anything else we could think up. The format, and the bumpers, were inspired by the Sci-Fi Channel’s hosting of the first remastered Star Trek episodes that had all of their previous syndication-cut footage entered back in. This of course made the episodes longer than normally seen because of commercial breaks, so they padded out the episodes to an hour and a half with interviews, bumpers, and trivia. I LOVED those segments and you can find a bunch of them on youtube.
The bit where I come on as myself in Part 2 WAS scripted… but the thing about any segment where I have to say a lot is that the teleprompter text gets smaller to fit it all on one screen. And since I had taken off my glasses, that especially meant I couldn’t read it, so it was citing it from memory as best as I could. I think it turned out pretty dang well and others seem to agree on that.
Hold on... Does Frank Miller think that we didn't drink alcohol during the dark ages? Booze was one of humanity's oldest inventions and you better believe that Europe during the dark ages had plenty of it.
I think they drank booze MORE in the dark ages because of tainted water carrying disease.
And back in the dark ages the booze was actually safer to drink than water
Angry Squirrel Productions true in Britain it wasn't safe to drink water from most sources until the late 1800s in London for example the main water source,the river Thames was essentially a giant open sewer which was the receptacle for every bit of waste and rubbish londoners had human and animal feaces, carcasses and blood from abattoirs and slaughter houses, waste chemicals from factories and tanners and even the bodies of recent murder victims and suicides all mixed up into a soup of detritus by the propellers of thousands of boats and ships that were going to and from the London docks. Question would you like to drink that or would you like to have a nice, safe, healthy beer instead?
+Phoenix Pyrope People even mixed booze with water to make the water safer.
yeah grog
Fuck Yeah
Oh lord, the idea of Frank Miller writing Captain America...I don't even want to think about it.
He'd probably write him as an even crazier version of Ultimate Cap and have a story where he hunts for the heads of Dust and Kamala Khan.
+nepomusik And then a better writer takes over and reveals that it was actually the Racist 50s Cap and then proceeds to have Dust, Ms Marvel and the real Captain America beat the crap out of him
+legomaniac213 If any artist sees this draw Ms.Marvel (Kamala Khan) beating up Frank Miller.
+legomaniac213 I would pay to see that.
+Frank Dailey Wish granted: bigbadmonster.deviantart.com/art/Ms-Marvel-vs-Frank-Miller-558763250
+POLE7645 Ahhhh.... So Cathartic =3
I took a photography class with a Muslim student once. Sweet girl, very passionate about the subject.
According to Frank, I should have force fed her the developer fluid.
And together you can *BE* justice!
@@FuugaNatsu Maybe WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING with that
+David Digi
A book meant to convey an ideology and inspire action.
And judging by your avatar and channel, I’m not surprised you like this book.
@David Digi
You are either a troll or willfully ignorant, so I'm not gonna waste my time arguing with you.
@Davi d
Please just watch the first part of this review again.
Media is often a reflection of the person who wrote it, and it can press a message. This book isn’t exactly racist, but it is bigoted. You’re being all smug about your argument of semantics, but it’s just semantics. So if I say it’s bigoted, you won’t be able to go “Ha! Gotcha!”? I’m not a SJW by any means. I read Polandball for crying out loud. I don’t want PC, I want nuance.
Uncle Tom’s Cabin, Silent Spring, Team America: World Police, A Christmas Carol, 1984, The Birth of A Nation, Atlas Shrugged, the very 40s propaganda comics Holy Terror was supposedly an homage to, they were all intended to push a particular message while also entertaining the audience, with varying degrees of truth and entertainment. To think fiction is completely disconnected from real life is naive and idiotic and an insult to writers.
Also, what does “Propaganda? False. Tons of entertainment is in line with the political climate of their time.“ even mean? How does it disprove that point? It is indeed propaganda. And in fact, that proves the point that fiction does in fact reflect reality often.
"The girl cooties would interfere with my mission of fixing things!"
Congratulations, Linkara. You just made the perfect epitaph for Frank Miller.
How about a compromise, "The girl cooties would interfere with my mission of fixing things!" -The Goddamn Miller.
This made me laugh so, so much. lol
Frank Miller: He died as he lived - furiously masturbating to Batman fucking an anthropomorphic personification of Gotham City and shouting "I'M THE GOD DAMN BATMAN!!!"
By fixing things, Frank Miller means making heroes fascist racists.
+TrajanCaesar "The goddamn GIRL cooties would GODDAMN interfere with my goddamn mission of FIXING things."
25:10 - 28:52... One of, if not the best speech Linkara has ever given in the shows run. It's very heartfelt, deconstructing and decrying the terrible, awful, despicable, disgusting, and incredibly bigoted messages this book sends while explaining how REAL superhero comics are SUPPOSED to inspire and enforce good morale in the world. Truly one of Lewis's finest moments.
And that’s why I respect him.
@@daelen.cclark 👍
I regret my online comments during Occupy Wall Street. I was completely in the wrong. I made the mistake of agreeing with Frank’s comments about protestors and “supported” him during the early backlash.
Then I read Holy Terror. I was born and raised Muslim. All of my family is still Muslim. But this was one of those times where I realized I was on the wrong side. Not just because Frank was lambasting my religion but anyone could feel the sheer hatred coming from each page (sidenote during the blank panel pages after the bombing, I remember clicking through those pages while reading on a computer thinking “Damn, the writer of TDKR is getting really lazy in his old age”). It’s one of those times you also realize when you, as a certain minority, are being used as a prop rather than a symbol of progression (I was also very involved in Republican politics at the time). As much as you believe you can change your things from within, unless certain factors are in place you’re trying to convince those like Frank who are blinded with fury and patriotism. It’s sad when the emotion placed into an artist’s work is grounded on ignorant hatred, especially one so mainstream as this one
@@MrEboxez I understand how you must feel. Heck, I'm a conservative. Moderate conservative admittingly seeing as how I do agree with the left on certain issues (being against gun violence, supporting pro-choice, etc.) while also being more of an individualist believing in timeless (not dated) morals. Mainly to be loyal, kind, show humility, be honest, and a judge of character, regardless of how a person looks. And as far as I'm concerned, you are a person, not a stereotype.
HEY DONT SAY THAT FRANK MILLLER IS AS BAD AS A TWELVE YEAR OLD'S FANFIC, because I've seen Twelve year old Batman fanfic better than this.
At least they have imagination.
I once read a Transformers: Prime fanfic where a character is brought back to life by the power of God. I'm not using hyperbole, but it's still better than this comic.
I feel like infants just learning to talk would make a better comic than Holy Terror.
Really?
Any specific ones Silver Oddlax?
@@15oClock God like Yaweh for Example or the Transformers God Primus
I love your speech when our 'heroes' decide on torture for interrogation. It not only makes me want to see Camelot for myself, but it gives me a whole new dimension of respect for you and a whole new level of loathing for everything Holy Terror stands for.
+TPrower The best 'reason you suck' speech I've seen thus far.
+TPrower That speech gave me chills.
+TPrower Linkara is one of the few online critics that make me want to become a better person. Geek culture could use more people like him.
+TPrower I haven't seen a bigger abuse of the term "heroes" since Sonichu
+TPrower I'd actually really enjoy and appreciate if he did speeches like this in his other videos in the future. He's very good at picking apart people and ideas, and I think this clarity is really needed on the Internet today.
By the way, this is why I love Kamala Khan as Ms Marvel. She is all about compassion and caring and hope. She's wonderful.
Yea and if I may be controversial, a more relatable character than Spiderman.
more relatable then spider man....we all have opinions.
I love Kamala Khan for all those reasons. I don't care about those people who hate her because "she's part of Marvel becoming a SJW company", because she's a funny, beautiful, smart, compassionate, caring and hopeful person. I remember someone responding to the recasting of Johnny Torch in Fant4stic by saying "instead of changing the race of a popular, pre-established character [to that of another race], essentially offering them table scraps, comic book writers should create strong original characters that [people of that race] can relate to." To me, characters like Kamala Khan represent that in the best way. I hope Marvel makes a movie about her someday soon.
Yeah the few times i have read Kamala Khan (don't take it personal i just don't feel the urgence of reading her comic book) i liked the character. She really tries to make everything better
Jake Bryant As a diehard Spider-Man fan... I actually 100% agree with you!
To paraphrase a quote from Linkara originally intended for Superman, “[Kamala Khan] is the most human superhero of them all!”
Imagine Crazy Steve reacting to this:
Crazy Steve: You know, Dick Grayson, age 12...
DG, age 12: What?
Crazy Steve: Could you PUNCH me in the FACE? Only now I have SEEN the ERROR of my WAYS, and it’s too GODDAMN late to apologize.
XD you even got the random capitalization of words down.
maneoj46 I’m pretty sure that the Fixer is Crazy Steve
@@ambroseburnside1950 in an alternate reality where DG age 12 was ok to begin with
I feel like the late and apologize should be pointlessly emphasized instead of goddamn.
I love when these Critics break character and give their actual, honest feelings - not about the "artist" or the "writer", but the PERSON. It is a rallying cry in this time of artistic darkness that shows the world isn't chockablock with ass-kissers and brown-nosers - there is a little color, if you know where to look.
I agree, it shows how serious a certain subject related to what they are reviewing is.
You know... Frank Miller’s always had problems, no doubt, but this book is really scary because it’s a reveal of character.
If this had just been a Batman story, then fine, whatever, it’s just another issue of ASBAR, but the fact that Frank Miller was willing to rewrite and redraw the whole book when his Batman story got canned shows a very strong level of dedication.
This is who Frank Miller really is. And to think that this is the same guy who wrote the Dark Knight Returns, Year One, 300, the best run of Daredevil, and Sin City is frankly appalling. This comic is so much worse because it’s not just a bad story. It is the unfiltered thoughts of one of the most disgusting people on Earth for over 100 pages.
And I think what really sent Frank Miller down this path was 911. Not just because every story he made after 911 is garbage, but because this. This is clearly a book that he wrote in response to 911 way after the point that it probably should’ve come out if it is due to 911.
Or maybe not. Frank maybe just hates Muslims so much, that even if 911 never happened, he still would’ve made this story. There are so many problems with this book, but Frank Miller’s absolute unbridled hatred for Muslims just because they’re darker skinned, a different religion, and a small group of them that do not represent the whole blew up Franky’s precious buildings.
That may sound really insensitive to some people, but Frank has dulled my empathy. He seems to forget how American military starts constant wars with other countries out of petty nonsense, and in retaliation for 911, our boys in the army slaughtered Arabs in Iraq and Afghanistan. We used that as an excuse to murder tons of people, and the fact that Frank is not only okay with that, but actively supports that mindset unsettles me most of all.
The idea that someone could hate an entire race of people because of something that some of their people do is frankly disgusting. I hate it when Americans do it and I hate it when Arabs do it, and when Japanese do it, and when Russians do it, and so on and so forth.
Holy Terror is the worst comic- scratch that, the worst THING ever because it is a 100+ page book of legitimate hateful propaganda against Arabic people as a whole.
Great comment, but I’ll have to correct you on Afghanistan; Afghans aren’t Arab, at least most of them aren’t. The biggest portion of them are Pashtun I believe. The only ones I can name now are Pashtuns, Hazaras, and Kazakhs I think, but yeah.
The Boys: Hold my beer.
well, he basicly just change a few name for the comic fro the batman script and basicly just change the cowl and belt from batman drawing, it
Even in his best work there are hints (or more) of his eventual problems. 300 is probably the most obvious, but Dark Knight Returns has bits and pieces hinting at what was to come. Well, Sin City as well, and probably more obvious. They were better stories so a lot of the elements that would be prominent in Holy Terror were less obvious, the story outshining the problems.
@@Rgoid the boys is actually good tho and it’s commenting on the government not a race.
I once knew someone who was so much of a fan of Frank Miller that he held this as his Holy Bible of sorts. Guy is currently locked up for attempting vigilante idiocy thinking a tourist was robbing a store.
A live action The Fixer lol
Tour-ist, Terror-ist, Frank can't tell the difference.
@@phantomdriver2010 Or rather Crazy Steve.
At least he's locked up for SOMETHING.
Is he still locked up?
Jim Gordon...the vice president of the Ministry of Silly Walks.
Everyone do the "Not Jim Gordon" (takes long strides with arms outstretched)
Good ol' Danny Donny-gle
Well if Frank is only drawing with one hand that explains all the white splodges on the page.
gross I hope linkara washed his hands
Sal Cusmano You're right there.
Preferably with kerosine
Sal Cusmano ewwwwww
Sal Cusmano he spills white out on it with the other? Why would he carry white out with him?
Since Lewis made a very thorough and intelligent point about the Fixer's attitude and actions, as well as Frank Miller's awful beliefs, I will approach this strictly from a writing perspective.
The entire scene is a perfect representation of two of the worst writing mistakes anyone could make: protagonist-centered morality and author tract. The hero is automatically placed in the right just because they are the main character of a story. The Fixer's attitude here is more than likely a thinly-veiled representation of Frank Miller's own views: he's a bitter, racist, self-righteous piece of shit who criticizes terrorists for their lack of regard for human life, then turns to killing and torturing them without a second thought.
I shouldn't have to say it, but it's clear that it hasn't gotten through to some people: this is not how the real world works. Your characters have no moral stance to call anyone out, whether terrorist not, when they've done the exact same things as them just in a different fashion. Your characters are not superior nor are they heroes just because they're the protagonist of a story. They're just hypocrites.
And the Fixer has NO character beyond that. Apart from his status as a racist murdering hypocrite, he is completely and utterly flat. Same thing with Natalie Stack. There is no characterization anywhere in this shallow excuse for a story, just two assholes going around killing terrorists.
Here's a tip: no matter how edgy or dark or violent or excessive your protagonist may be, you need to have something for them not seem like a bigger asshole than the person or persons they're trying to fight. This is basic writing stuff that people should know.
I'd say Frank Miller really is a 12-year-old kid writing crappy Batman fanfiction, but I'm unsure if a 12-year-old wouldn't turn out a better written story than this trash.
Mister Bubbles Truer words have never been spoken...
Honestly... I think you're selling twelve-year-old kids short. They at least have little concept for things like racism and hatred, and a Batman story written by one would be more likely about Batman fighting cyborg dinosaurs from the future (an infinitely more interesting premise).
Also, whenever Linkara has said "Natalie Stack" I mentally follow up with "Don't talk back". I guess Yakity-Yak is just that ingrained into my mind.
@Cody Hines
Well, I’ve seen an 11-year-old write a racist fanfiction that is just as bad as this if not somehow worse, so you can’t assume. Especially with the Internet nowadays.
At least 12 year olds might not know any better.
Then how sad is it that amazon... has this comic at a very high ratings with reviews praising the daylights out of it
damn. linkara had to get real on us for minute. and I don't blame him. Not one bit.
Plotting Robot
...and this is why I’m a fan of linkaras, and why I look up to him.
captain Rockatron Linkara is the best!
Are you kidding me? Linkara getting real is probably my favorite reason to watch any of his reviews. It's actually hard to think of someone who would disagree with him, because he's so good at stating well formed opinions while offending the least amount of people with them.
That's how all arguments should be: focused on stating facts and depicting the best of something (in this case, comic books), not on saying things for the sole sake of offending someone else.
"At least we know they're the same species"
Yes, you are all monsters, and admitting that is the first step to changing.
+Eugenideddis Or at least getting the Punisher to hunt your asses down.
Marley Rosario-Soper Maybe, although it may be best if he goes unremarked upon for the rest of time, left to be forgotten.
But if we do reference him, having him get killed by the Punisher would be fun.
or getting Doom Slayer to send you two back to hell!
My name is Indigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
+Marley yes.
Fat Grandma is a gentler soul more then the Fixer.
And far more entertaining.
Plus she makes DELICIOUS flapjacks and chicken tenders. THEY'RE FULLA SASS!
This comic would be better if it starred Fat Grandma.
DIO is a gentler soul than the Fixer
When Linkara talks in such a calm, yet depressed tone, with a streak of rage and hatred, like when He talks about Chapel's suicide in Youngbloods, you know it's serious business. It's actually some of my favorite moments on this channel. Oh, and Frank, WHEN THE FUCK WAS THE FIXER A GENTLE SOUL!?
Your speech Mr Lovhaug, was something that should be shared to the whole world. If there would be a time in which I would have to choose my favorite reviewer of anything, I would choose you. You are a man of very rational thought, and I wish more people could listen to your words of absolute wisdom.
It's definitely the reason my favorite Powerpuff Girls episode is Super Friends
Hat Man another good one is nostalgia critics speech to Michael bay during his pearl harbour review
I agree with this wholeheartedly. I love Linkara for this very reason.
I agree and at the same time disagree............Like yeah Frank Miller sucked at the story. But the thing is a story about there being moments to be afraid and be moments to not be is soemthing good to understand. Like having balance.
ALSO depending on the person, the situation, the motive, the context it would make an interasting situation.
So yeah i agree and i disagree with Linkara said. That yeah compassion, should be a must and violence don't but there is a moment for everything. Balance. After all if there is a person absolute noble and saint and there is a monstruos being is like The unamovable Object meets the unstoppable force
lol simpleton, you said word me like, therefore you good. that mean you smart. REALLY?
Dear Zack Snyder, David Goyer, and everyone else at Warner Bros. currently working on the DCEU,
25:57-26:36
That is all. Thank you.
Sincerely, Everyone
I think Snyder is itching to direct an adaptation of Holy Terror. He worships the ground Frank Miller walks on.
F. N. Lorter I don't think so. There is already a Holy Terror TV series. It's called Homeland and airs on Showtime. Not a direct adaptation but contains all the bullshit that Holy Terror believes.
Bobsheaux You do not speak for everyone and you sure as hell don’t speak for me.
Bobsheaux I didn't expect to see you here.
I apologize. It was wrong for me to just assume that everyone wanted their superheroes to be good, decent people.
There's a moment from one of the Tintin stories, The Blue Lotus, that I always have loved. After saving Chang from a river, he asks Tintin why he would even do such a thing. He's been raised to believe that white people are devils, that they're all immoral and unjust monsters stretching their fingers into their culture. Tintin responds that, yes there are bad people, but that he's heard similar things about Chinese people. That they're all primitive ape-men who sleep in straw huts and eat pets, that they torture each other and practice other acts of barbarism. Both of them share a laugh about how insane that sounds. The point being that it's incredibly easy to demonize an entire group when you don't want to like them, but that it's silly and extreme to ever characterize a group in such a way.
From a meta sense, I think it was creator Herge essentially apologizing for his rightfully criticized, "Tintin in the Congo", a story that not only gratuitously supported sport hunting but also showcased a level of ineptitude into its depiction of various African tribes that he made it his life's effort to not recreate again. As smart as he was, he was not immune to the biases of his time, and he didn't do the level of research that he would later do for the other Tintin stories. But that moment of The Blue Lotus shows that he acknowledged his flaws, he realized how shitty he made himself look, and that he would strive to do better.
To give the tiniest bit of fairness, Frank Miller has claimed that he couldn't make a story like this again. That it was a reactionary piece made in what was a bad headspace. But that he won't denounce it, that he won't admit that maybe the views portrayed in this story is more than a little fucked up, says far too much about his worldview for words.
That is why I respect Herge as a creator much more than Frank.
I hadn’t understood that part when I first read it as a kid, but looking at it again, I appreciate it much more.
25:10
I don't know why, but I think with all the hate going around in the world, this speech really did help me a bit since I don't often hear words of wisdom that come from frustration of seeing hate as apposed to the 'hate them back' philosophy. I really appreciate you taking the time to say this in your video Linkara.
I used to read comics because I loved the medium in all of its simplicity. There were bad guys and there were good guys and the good guys always won against unfairness or challenging situations, but this torture scene....sighs. It's been two years since I saw that torture scene and I had the same reaction I had back then: I paused the video so that I could recollect myself from the stupidity of that statement, "So Mohammed, pardon me for guessing your name, but you've got to admit the odds are pretty good it's Mohammed -- what's the plan?" This single quote made my stomach cringe up into a ball because of how disgusting it was to me, and the fact that this line was approved to be put into a comic from a major name such as Frank Miller. It disappointed me to see that this had been published to be sold at stores all around the country. I've read a lot of political comics, my favorite being Transmetropolitan, and I've seen the writing in such comics be smart and clever with the politics they're preaching, even if I don't agree with them sometimes. But this is unforgivable from any respectable creative standard.
Heh, I fucking hate you, Frank Miller. From the bottom of my heart: fuck you. Fuck you because you brought hate and bigotry to something that I love. Fuck you because you are an idiot that doesn't understand your own political feelings as they are based on fear rather than actual facts. Fuck you for your racism. Fuck you for your propaganda. Fuck you just for being a great writer who has now wasted his own potential by creating bullshit like this.
Well said Roberto Cipriano.
...AND FUCK YOU FRANK MILLER!!
Such hush language, my dude.
The "more tiny squares" joke almost killed me out of laughter.
TheMamaluigi300
Indeed!
Ya know, as a counterargument to the torture scene, during WWII, the US government recruited Japanese Americans to work as interrogators of Japanese POWs, who where actually held in a hotel & were treated humanely, allowing their interrogators to get them to open up as they expected to be tortured but instead were treated well by their enemies which made them feel more at ease with their interrogators, as these POWs had pretty much shamed their families by being captured alive & had little to lose so the interrogators got them to open up & were successful in extracting information humanely, all without resorting to torture!
I'd like to add, a quick google search tells me that alcohol likely ORIGINATED in the middle east and isnamed after the arabic word al-kohol. it took 12 seconds.
Wow. That’s a pretty cool fact.
29:19 The Fixer is, as much as I hate to say it, technically correct about the guy's name having a good chance of being Mohammed, it is the most common first name in the world, especially among people with Arabic or north African roots; so, statistically the name with highest chance of being right from a first guess is Mohammed. Though, I doubt Franky boy knew that, as the old saying goes, "a stuck clock is right twice a day."
Like when I call white guys "john" unless I'm in a rich neighborhood, then I yell "brice."
Could've been his code name.
anjetto1 and East Asians “Lee”!
“The best superhero stories aren’t about heroes fighting villains or fighting each other.”
True, the best Batman story I have ever read is Alex Ross’ Batman: War on Crime, a story of Bruce Wayne asking questions of how his life might have been under other circumstances, of Bruce trying to fight the underlying causes of crime, and of Batman reaching out to a boy who lost his parents the way he did with empathy and compassion.
In other words, it’s the exact opposite of this story and ASBAR, and DK2.
Honestly batman is a revenge fantasy. His speech about torture had me thinking second thoughts about DKR, i mean batmans inherent message is unhealthy coping mechanisms, not to mention self righteous
@@skaterdude7277 That depends on which version of Batman you're reading. Personally, I think DKR is over-rated. It does fall into that idea of "Batman as revenge fantasy." Like I said, my favorite Batman story is "War on Crime," and it's all about Batman's capacity for empathy and compassion for those who have suffered like he has.
@@jamesadamsfl that is a much friendlier batman, i like that one too, i like it could sprinkle real world logic to sow seeds of research for poverty and its cyclical nature, something i think all of us hear but few of us learn
@@skaterdude7277 Amen
@@jamesadamsfl though Millers dumb revolution focused batman seems more apt everyday with what legislation keeps getting shat out, to date this message terribly
I love Lewis' dad on this show. Stuff like Future Linkara and his portrayal of Whately are great
Somehow I knew that was his dad without ever having seen him before. How does that happen!!?
28:35 Remove the irony and that was a pretty spooky villain speech. Goosebumps~
25:10 - 28:52
The definitive Linkara moment.
Eeehh i would pick another one.
It was an inspiring speech...but for some reason i belive more there is a time and moment for everything and everything in excess is bad (ironically and paradoxically yet "There are no Absolutes"). even the "good things"; and also sometimes while trying to make things better we make thigns worst due to different context, P.O.V.s because we project "whats good for us" into the general belief for what's good for everyone".
Frank wants us to embrace our dark side, hate, fear, rage, and that's the thing, we need to prove that we're better than these terrorists, otherwise we're just as bad as those we're trying to bring to justice. As the Doctor says "Hate is foolish, love is wise, never be cruel and never be cowardly." And that's a lesson, I think we all need to take to heart.
#HateIsNotCool
#LoveMakeUsLogicAndKindAndCompassion
Fear is the path to the dark side, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering
When the Fixer went from "No regard for life" to "Lets kill stuff" sounds like a black comedy parody.
No, no, no, Linkara. Your speech is incredible, you've made me self aware of what this appalling comic (if I can call it a comic) is telling us. I am afraid of terrorism but I would never do what they do. It would make us as bad as them. So I will say this. Thank you for your speech. This is why you are one of my favourite RUclipsrs.
18:03 "Where did you become a 12-year old writing crappy Batman fanfics?" Since 1994
+MartianManHunter2258 Dayum... I just think he's suffering from some senile issues or something, but sheesh, DKSA, Tales to Offend, ASBAR, seriously, what happened?
Don't forget about Spawn/Batman.
How do you screw that up?
MartianManHunter2258 Lol 😂
DKSA
Lewis Lovhaug just put it perfectly. We can't give in to fear and hostility. We can't let ourselves become like our enemies. We need to be better than them. It can't be them vs us. Life can't be all about that. I have to believe we're better than that as a species because if not then what's life for? It's all meaningless unless we can rise above the darker parts of our nature. and the worst part is there are people who will look at people with this point of view and call people who share it cowards and pussies and just completely miss the point of all of it. It makes me very sad.
+theAngryscotman It's weaklings like the Fixer here who are the real cowards and fools. Sadly there are many like him in real life who thinks that acting cruel, violent and cynical makes you a tough guy. They need to start acting like adults.
Ro Jaws Exactly
This is why I look up to that guy!
What so many people misunderstand about Batman is his compassion! He may be a dark, fearsome, creature of the night, but he’s also human. That’s why he doesn’t kill or maim people (too badly) and he can actually turn off his ‘I am Vengeance’ deal. That’s why I think the Animated Series was so popular, for showing off this dichotomy, where Batman could be both an intimidating horror of the night to criminals, as in the Burton and Nolan films, and a warm beacon of hope to the innocent, as in the 1960s series or Batman Forever!
He has also admitted that if he killed, he wouldn't stop. He regularly fights and hospitalises the mentally ill and doesn't think to spend money on fixing up the usually archaic or medieval tire fire that is Arkham
You know, I wanna see a comic about Amina, or more accurately what Amina could've been, just a (possibly) gay foreign exchange student who is letting her hair down and having fun and NOT being a terrorist.
Ya know something? That monologue you go on when Crazy Steve the Fixer is torturing the one guy does perfectly exemplify my favorite superhero stories. Batman: Knightfall/Knightquest/Knightsend has a character who is willing to kill takes up the mantle of Batman after Bane brakes Bruce's back and Bruce has to step up and take up the cowl, ultimately doing so by forgiving Azrael and being kind and understanding as to why Jean Paul Valley ended up the way he did. Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, at least the first volume, just explores how Peter Parker helps the people around him every day and how willing his neighbors are to step up and help him. Superman: Last Son of Krypton has Superman take General Zod's son into his care and risk himself to protect the kid from his abusive father. Hell, in Frank Miller's own Batman: Year One, Batman values the lives of others so much that he is willing to risk himself to save a _cat_ from triggerhappy police officers. Adolescent revenge fantasies where the "hero" the writer wants us to root for is a violent man-child willing to kill and torture and sink to any low to battle whatever enemy he imagines for himself, in my opinion, drag the whole genre of comic book superheroes down.
Goddamn... Linkara, thank you for reviewing this piece. I often wonder just how bad my own comic will be perceived or wonder why I keep drawing it. Your reaction to Holy Terror has convinced me that no matter how bad I ever get, there is a lower bar with Miller's name written all over it; a bar, I vow, to never stoop to. Thank you.
I want to take a moment to talk about this book. Like Camelot changed your outlook on life, this book changed mine. This book told me to hate, and to fear, and to oppress, and to discriminate. It told me that revenge is a noble cause. It told me that it is good to be just as bad as terrorists. It told me that it is good to hate. It told me to be a terrible, racist, bigoted asshole. Or at least, it tried to. Because, I wouldn’t let it. I read this book after watching this review, and it changed me. It taught me the same things Camelot taught you, just in an entirely different way. Immediately after I read it, I deleted it off my phone (this is one of the few books I have pirated, I did not want Miller to get a single penny off of me) and I’ve never looked back.
So, in a sick, twisted way I have to thank you, Frank Miller. I have to thank you for taking the time to write this horrible, poorly-drawn, racist, bigoted, sack of shit. Because without this book, I wouldn’t be the person I am today.
Tell you what, you talk about how we were all probably sick of you making a speech, but I think that speech helped convince me of that same philosophy back when I first watched this video. At least, it made me see the points raised - compassion is strength, violence is weakness, and revenge is pointless - and take them more seriously as a strong basis for a solid moral philosophy. It certainly helped me to see AT4W as more than just a comedic internet show. I for one don't mind you making a speech, because it's a damn good speech.
Yes! Linkara's speeches are the best speeches in my opinion. 😁
I... Really needed this. Even though this was uploaded months ago, I'm glad that I'm watching this now. You absolutely *cannot* treat people differently for how they look. People wants to change the first amendment to kick people who believe in a different religion out of America because of *one man.* People are going to be paranoid and judge people by their skin color all over again because of one messed up man.
Thank you Linkara. I really did need this.
Primary aspect of living matter is it's ability to react to changing environment. Your choice not to react is equivalent to laying on the floor and dying.
Yeah, you can't hate all Muslims because of Al Queada. (I don't know how to spell it)
@@georgesmith6218 Yeah, majority of people don't seem to realise, that things must have borders, since having too little or too much of something is equally bad.
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"I'm your new Brand X representative!"
Uh oh, he's been using Brand Xssssss
Otto T Yeah but
But
It's a different Brand X
OH NO!
Adam Besley That was a perfectly good bag of chips!
"I wasn't expecting any new products"
Here's a lesson in irony for you: Frank Miller refuses to believe a handful of terrorists can be behind 9/11 yet he meant this to be a story about Batman, a character, perhaps more than any other superhero, built on the idea that one man CAN make a difference, that one family CAN change the world for the better.
Q: What's black and white and stupid all over?
A: A Frank Miller comic.
That is a good one. I have one too, sorry if it sounds similar.
Q: What's white and racist and stupid all over?
A: Frank Miller
@@smittyslayer4302 No, that's a good one too.
What’s colorful yet vile?
A Garth Ennis comic.
I normally don't comment on AT4W videos, mostly because except from what I have learned after finding this show, I have almost no knowledge of comic books. Sure, I enjoyed reading cartoon strips as a kid and I obviously knew about bat man and other superheroes, but I could never get into comic books.
Thanks to Linkara and his videos, I can see how great comics are now, and how they can tell a truly amazing story.
Then I see this comic. This....this, ABOMINABLE, RACIST, PIECE OF CRAP! When I first saw this review, I honest to god felt ASHAMED that our species created something this insulting! This ONE comic spits in the face of all those who strive for real peace and flips them off for good measure! Linkara, thank you for all your great work, your inspiring speech, and for ripping this piece of filth a new one!
Prophetic/Clairvoyant statement that grew ever more true as time passed these last 5 years:
"We live in a world where on somedays we can't tell if it's a parody news article from The Onion or a real thing happening."
A year later and I'm still replaying that speech you give at the end of the video.
Massive kudos to you, Lewis, for really speaking your mind out here
This is why you are one of my all time favorite people on RUclips Linkara, what you said about terrorism and your fear of it is so damn relatable. I’m ashamed to say that in the past, and in reaction to attacks in my home country, I held some pretty awful views about Islam.. I’ve since educated myself but I know I still have a lot of bias from my past. Every time I watch this review it brings me solace, nothing you said was radical or revolutionary and I hope most rational people would react to Holy Terror the same way, but to hear it said so earnestly and well put is so heartwarming. I keep meaning to watch Camelot but putting it off, so as soon as I finish this review I am sitting down and watching it. Thank you so much Linkara, for your wit and for your good heart.
TLDR: Of all the reviewers I have subscribed to in my travels... Linkara’s was the most... Human.
Torture is entirely inefficient. The most effective German interrogator made friends with POWs to get information.
Linkara, you're a good man. That speech of yours genuinely moved me, thank you.
That weird walk " not Jim Gordon" is doing looks like he's trying to imitate angus young or chuck berry
I actually thought it was a reference to the Monty Python "Ministry of Silly Walks" sketch.
+jason thayer forgot about that. Just about anything comedic could be traced to Monty Python
Mike White Monty Python and Spongebob are the roots of all modern comedy
The glasses, moustache & black suit made me think of Groucho Marx.
*long standing applause for ripping into Frank Miller's horrible bigotry and sexism* Thank you Linkara, you're amazing for putting up with this.
16:05 "On some days, we can't tell if it's a parody news article on The Onion, or a REAL THING HAPPENING!"
Greetings from 2017!
I KNOW, RIGHT?!
And 2019
And 2020.
@@L1701 Especially 2020.
Aaaand 2021
The art in this book is so bad I honestly can't tell if that person Amina kisses is supposed to be male or female.
+Eric S Female, probably meaning she does not belief her own bs or something like that. Or just for sex.
I absolutely loved Linkaras speech. It truly helped motivates me on how to be a much better writer when it comes to creating protagonists
At 25:24 linkara said he liked Camelot because it said those who have power should use it to do good ,that violence is not strength and compassion is not weakness
You my sir have my total respect and people ask way I love comics and what you said is why I love them.
And linkara got real with us for a minute. and i do not blame him.
Oh yes the Fixer is as gentle as freshly fallen snow is black
25:14 Amen to that. Wonder Woman is my favorite superhero, and my favorite stories of her that I've read so far are just short stories from Wonder Woman Annual #1. Stories where she: Saves King Shark from being unjustly framed and executed for the murder of one of the leaders of Markovia by some militaristic douchebag and then delivering King Shark to Aquaman, intercepts what appears to be a Kaiju Attack only to learn that he was actually intelligent and was just lonely and so defends him from further attacks and takes him to Dinosaur Island where he won't be alone anymore and promises to check in on him and play with him once a month, and one where she helps a warrior who was sworn to defend his village and did so by absorbing a deadly curse into himself to find peace at last.
Wonder Woman is my favorite superhero because she embodies the idea that Truth and Compassion should always rise above lies and hatred. If this world is going to get any better, they have to.
#Agreed
Your speech about superheroes gave me goosebumps dude.
Good man.
Am I the only one who wants to read a comic about a young multiracial lesbian couple living in post-9/11 New York?
No you are not alone.
You aren't! I would love to read a story like that!
I'd love to hear about it: Muslim lesbians have really interesting stories to tell
I LOVED your speech, it was fantastic and so true, every word, and if you choose to continue it would have been all ears and more than happy to keep listening. Thank you, also thank you for the fantastic video. I love your work.
Watching this in 2021 and thinking how the world really did seem to take Frank Miller's insanity to heart is a real trip.
I just keep picturing The Fixer removing his mask and revealing he's Donald Trump. Seems perfectly logical at this point.
Your speech about what makes a good superhero comic was excellent. I could listen to it over and over. Thank you. It's the ideal I aspire to when working on my superhero concepts.
Have to add my kudos for that speech ("you're the captain, you're entitled", heh). One thing that I really love about your reviews is that you have made *yourself* a character. Linkara has a certain style of speaking, a certain energy and cadence. Therefore, when you *drop* that cadence and speak as yourself, it adds a real weight to what you are saying. And everything you said was right on the money. I know this review was done a while ago, and probably uploaded to RUclips on a regular schedule, but how *fitting* it gets uploaded while a man like Donald Trump is not only running for President, but is in a significant lead. Trump, who is espousing the very tenants that Miller seems to put forth in this work. It's a scary time, but in times like those we have to hold stronger to our true values.
PS - I got halfway through writing this and had a small chuckle as I imagined you reading it Frank Miller style, yelling all the bolded words.
+OrangeRangerVideos It has bold text.
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+Twisted Toon Taylor Oh *wow!* You're totally *right*! This *really* helps! I *wonder* what I *would* have *done* if I *never* knew *that*!
In all seriousness, *thanks!* Always feels dumb capitalizing emphasized words. In fact, I'm going back and editing the comment so it looks less weird.
***** :D Happy to help.
Can we all agree the Fixer isn't a hero in any sense of the word?
Declan Sheehan Plot twist - The Fixer is Chris Kyle, who faked his death and decided to do a lot of vigilantism.
Of course not, but don't worry he is a "hero"... a Designated Hero that is...
he's such a gentle soul though
To be fair, the punisher only gives villains what they have coming for them.
@@ethanedwards3357 well he ruin the meal of a bunch of orphans just to catch a petty mob boss is not exactly good
Your speech about how Holy Terror was the complete antithesis of your beliefs and how our supposed "hero" just broke a man's spine made me remember. This book was supposed to be about Batman, my hero, and I just hate it right there with you.
30:06 Next the fixer’s gonna say that tap water will “Turn the frickin’ frogs gay”
That would be more of a comic-book-plot; chemicals to mutate frogs to be able to reproduce without needing to worry about male-female pairing
The girl from One More Day and the police commissioner from Holy Terror must have both been members of the Ministry of Silly Walks.
That bit with Amina could've been fantastic and easily a sympathetic picture (as stupid as it is) at not only Muslims, but also a lesbian couple when one is grappling with her religion and her feelings for Jaye conflicting.
Of course Frank ruined it with the sudden swerve and a suicide bombing.
AtticWarrior1994 Just like the Family Guy episode Turban Cowboy.
Has Frank Miller ever appeared on Alex Jones or Jimmy Dore? This comic seems up their alley.
I've worked for a Halal food-packing company for over 6 years now. Not only are they probably the best bosses of anywhere I've ever worked, but their religious faith hardly ever comes up outside of a handful of plaques with Arabic writing around the building, the fact pork is disallowed at company potlucks, and 1 female employee wears a hijab. I hate to admit that Mohammed comment wasn't too far off (I do all the filing for the company, and there are way too dang many people named Mohammed, and there's like 8 different spellings. But to be fair, the US is just as guilty with how many boys are named John, how many girls are named Jennifer, and how many spelling variations there are for the name Crystal).
"Jihad!" "Gesundheit." *kick* *BOOM!*
Ok, this comic is terrible and I'd hate to admit this, but that part got a chuckle out of me. That's not offensive of me, is it?
Nah, even crap can have a few moments that work. Even Linkara was giving kudos for a few moments in the later ASBAR issues, like the scene at the graves.
Gratuitous Lurking Don't forget the few moments of praise he had for Avengers #200 and One More Day.
You know, with the context that Jihad means strife or struggle and is generally used in Arabia to discribe hard effort, that chain of dialogue starts to look *very* cringy.
"EFFORT!"
"Gesundheit"
Actually, "Gesundheit" is German for "God Bless you", but has over time been just some American-appropriated (I think...) slang for politely regarding a person's sneeze. So actually, you get something like this:
Mummy With Bomb: "STRIFE!"
Not-Batman: "Sneeze Courtesy."
Or maybe even:
Mummy With Bomb: "STRIFE!"
Not-Batman: "God Bless you."
Something tells me the guy who can't fix his Fixer costume wasn't trying to wish Eloah's grace and kindness to the curtain-wrapped caricature.
If we're being really pedantic about it, "gesundheit" translates more roughly as "health" - it's just used in the same way "Bless you" is used in English when someone sneezes. If we apply this, it suddenly becomes
Mummy With Bomb: "STRIFE!"
Not-Batman: "Health"
I feel like we're going further and further down the rabbit hole here, people.
About revenge, Linkara mentions that it's pointless. I would like to point out something I learned that he does somewhat describe here. Revenge is stooping down to, if not lower than, the level of your enemy. Hurting someone as they hurt you is to become as that someone is. Just thought that was something worth pointing out. It goes against what a superhero should be and, sadly, coincides perfectly with what the Holy Terror expresses.
In a way, I think revenge actually makes you worse than the person who hurt you. Because not only does it bring you down to their level, but doesn't it also make you a hypocrite? You're condemning your enemy for something they did, but that you also did yourself. Yet it's apparently okay because it happened to you first, so therefor you're fully justified in hurting them just as bad or even worse in return. It really is a worthless cause.
It's amazing how entertaining the episode can still be, even with such a horrible book as its subject and Linkara delivering a truly sobering speech towards the end.
Linkara if you see this, I just want you to know that I think this is one of the best episodes you've ever done.
Now I can see why Alan Moore gave Frank Miller a piece of his mind a few years ago.
29:25 Natalie might have been sarcastic when she called the Fixer a "gentle" soul.
I don't know if Frankie boy is that sane.
@@MicrowavedAlastair5390 Who cares if he is or not?
I return to the speech you give often. It is an inspiration for me to write certain stories... Including superhero ones. I had not finished with any, but... still.
Thank you.
This book feels like Frank read ‘What’s so funny about Truth, Justice and the American Way?’ And agreed with the ELITE!
i feel like i might have said this before, maybe in a comment on this review before or maybe on another video where someone talked about how the character who are suppose to be the good guys really shouldn't be torturing people;
i can only think of 1 time ever in a story where i was ok with the "good guys" torturing people. and it was very clear that the ones doing the torture/interrogation didn't like doing it, they had no joy in doing this kind of thing, and they regretted having to do this. it was not shown to be heroic, quite the opposite. there was also even a point where it cuts to the rest of the main cast nearby who is not involved in torturing someone but they can hear the yelling from the other room and this leads them to have a conversation about if they can even consider themselves good people anymore after doing this and being in this scenario. it developed the main cast and caused them to question what they were doing or if they were in the right for doing these things.
also the torture wasn't effective interrogation at all. they only got the information they were looking for by being smart and tricking one of the captured enemies into revealing information by making it look like one of the enemies allies that were also captured betrayed them and already gave the main information they were looking for.
and later when the person who they tortured and later tricked learned what happened, they nearly broke down. the quiet and somber dialogue he had with the major character who previously was doing the torture seriously affected that major character going forward, and they themselves nearly had a breakdown after exiting the room. much much later in the story the words that person said in that conversation still affect that character and influenced their development in the future.
essentially, the only time i was ever ok with a main character we were suppose to be rooting for ending up torturing someone, was when the story was already talking about morally grey themes, it was framed as the "good guys" doing bad things and making the wrong choice, and it was show to be ineffective in actually helping them and ultimately was pointless towards their goals. the whole scene influence the characters development a lot in the rest of the series and made characters question their motives or if they could ever consider themselves good people again. and also, the victim of the torture wasn't an irredeemable evil person either, and they were later shown to be pretty ok, they ended up being imprisoned for a time because they were on the losing side in all of this, but there wounds were healed, they weren't crippled and had no lasting injuries, they were last shown sitting peacefully outside in a yard, looking up at the sky with a relaxed look.
the scene was portrayed with nuance and it made the characters question their morals. now this story wasn't a super hero story so its not the most apt comparison to something like this, but this story was smart. and when the subject of human on human violence and torture against another human being came up, it was a major deal for the characters, and they didn't revel in it. despite the world and story these characters inhabited being dark and cruel, the main message the story gave in the end was about personal freedom, for everyone. to not lord power over other people and hurt them. one of the most central themes was saying how no matter how cruel and dark the world is, there is still beauty in life and that is enough to keep striving to live free and do what is right.
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it wasn't just, hey lets cripple this poor faceless random enemy with no consequences for our actions because were the "heroes" and these are all irredeemable inhuman people so they should just be murdered or crippled anyways.
No.
Holy Terror is a disgusting book. im kinda glad this video is split into parts, because i don't think i'd be able to sit threw all of this book at once without slowly losing faith in humanity. though your commentary and criticisms do alleviate this pain. but i'm definitely going to go watch some comic book quickies after this and see the day be saved by sharing hostess fruit pies.
i need more of that in my life.
16:38
Wait, what is happening to her legs?! Good christ, half the characters in these comics need to see either a chiropractor or get to the ER stat, and Not!Catwoman is definitely in the latter category in this panel! It's as if she had her legs replaced with the arms of Mister Tickle!
23:51
Since the rest of this comic is so weird and goofy I imagine that one guy shouting jihad like "Fooled you!" from Spaceballs or Steve's "Heyooooo" from Borderlands 2.
16:57 No joke, back in high school, we had a copy of The Dark Knight Strikes Again in our library. I showed some pages of it to a friend of mine and her sister, and they both said it looked like it was drawn by a child.
Frank *really* needs to relearn how to draw, let alone write.
Holy shit, I just figured out what miller’s art style looks like! The angular corners... the completely straight lines... the lack of color… THIS WAS DRAWN ON AN ETCH-A-SKETCH!!
After all the negative portrayals of muslims and islams, I would just love to see a positive portrayal of them for once. So far, we have a muslim super hero named Ms. Marvel (aka, Kamala Khan). Now if only we get to see more like that in other media.
nega-venom
Not sure if this counts, but Damian Wayne, who is the current Robin, is mixed race. One part of that being Arabic. We're not sure about his religious beliefs though.
Oh yeah because his mom is talia.
There is also Simon Baz the fifth human Green Lantern (sixth if you count Alan Scott). Sadly he's very under-utilized.
nega-venom there's also Dust from X-men
wolfmantheimpaler True but she's not exactly well known to everybody else except for comic book fans.
Pyramids of Giza plus Imperial March equals hilarious.
Linkara, you should be an actor. The way you said, “you must be so proud” sent chills up my spine.
Your imitation of his walk is one of the funniest things I've seen. I hope it didn't hurt you too much to do that.
Your speech is what made me watch Atop the Fourth Wall.
Me too.
I have an old high school friend who was a grade below me, and he was from Afghanistan, his family escape from that place. I know he is a good guy who makes funny things, and he and I have a mutual love for video games and funny RUclips. This is created by a man telling me to treat them with violence. Because they will be violent to me because I am not like them and yes it is because of their religious beliefs, but I am hoping that times have changed and we should be able to be friends with them, not our enemies forever.
Frank Miller drawing with one hand would explain all the white splashed on the pages.
Frank Miller clearly learned to draw spines by studying Brother Eye’s creations from Future’s End.
Not to spoil the party or anything, but did you even look at how that police woman's pose? Back arched, pelvis thrust forward, and the leg... One going all the way back, the other way, way forward - she's walking taking giant strides, all while holding her torso in the patented 90's Image Comics Female-like pose... But. in his defense, he did give her a moustache, so - that's something...? God, this man is THE WORST!
Also, if this is a knockoff of the Batman universe and she's upset about a dead female loved one, I'm guessing the policewoman was originally Rene Montoya and "Carla" was Kate Kane.
“Her spine is tilting back as she makes this bizarre sweeping motion, that I presume is supposed to be pulling out sinews of flesh out from a GIANT TERRORIST!”
I always loose it at that part of the review. Linkara’s reaction there is just hilarious!
17:05
Natiolie becomes either a rob Lifeld drawing, or a JoJo character....... If they were Lobotomized with a spork.... Oh wait Linkara mentioned Egypt it's JoJo
“Thank you Frank for this very important message. Foreign exchange students are secretly enemy agents, treat them with suspicion and hate!” 😂 love it mate!
Holy Terror? More like Holy Error! Am I right?
CHP to quote NC's it review "Am I right boys?"
Oh, Linkara... I love your ancient Egypt jokes... XD