You could reduce the bending forces on the two bolts which form the hinge axles by using longer bolts, and having a second ear attached to the table for each bolt, atop the mobile part. The way it's now, the mobile part pulls the top of the bolt outwards while the lower part pulls it back towards the table. With two fixed ears, the mobile part would still pull it outwards, but both top and bottom fixed ears would pull it back. Means shorter levers trying to bend the bolts. Especially with that plastic washer added to lower friction, I doubt the forces on the bolt are shearing forces. Would mean a complete rebuild of the fixed part, though, to make it strong and good looking. One more thing that hit me when you were attaching the seat: it doesn't need that protruding center nose that bike seats have. On bikes you constantly move your legs, and need some stability. Also, being able to press with your legs sideways helps with stability and equilibrium. But the table won't tilt or fall over sideways, so you don't need this. The seat might be more comfortable without that nose.
Dude, your efforts to exclude metalworking also serve to highlight where the stress points are, and so serve to draw attention to where fabricators need to focus their attention. Awesome work, both here and in all your videos. Awesome, awesome channel.
Had look up “Drongo”. LOL.... “The word drongo is used in Australian and New Zealand English as a mild form of insult meaning "idiot" or "stupid fellow". This usage derives from an Australian racehorse of the same name (apparently after the spangled drongo, Dicrurus bracteatus) in the 1920s that never won despite many starts.”
Man you're good! I can see no fancy tools but regular ones that almost everyone can have and a huge talent to create great thinks. You're such an inspiration. Thank you!
sir i completely enjoyed your programme , it required a lot of intelligent engineering . your two work benches are brilliant , plus the bench on wheels would have many convenient applications . i loved your two helpers they were cute.
Pask, when you made the metal one (which is great and strong) I didn’t read the comments but was sure that you would get tons of them begging or complaining that it wasn’t wood. This one should satisfy them! Looks well built and strong. Good build. Hope it continues to work well for you!
You can clearly see the mount separating a bit @ 10:42, but you can also see how adding some cheek pieces to either side of the mount would hugely reinforce it, adding a very strong shear joint over the entire surface area. It would be immensely strong and wouldn't interfere with the movement of the arm. Also consider adding a couple more bolts. More connections spreads stresses out = much greater strength, less flex etc.
Nice one Neil, works well and looks nice. A little tip; before using the hole saw drill a small hole (about 8mm) that slightly overlaps with the path of the hole saw. The sawdust from the hole saw will collect in the small hole. This will reduce smoke and burned edges.
Very cool idea, nice work on the angles for the support frame. About the only change I'd make is some padding on the seat. Love the cameo of the pups at the end. Great project.
A tie rod end with its threaded end through the ply cabinet could substitute for the top hinge. The force is greatest on this, and is mostly perpendicular to the cabinet wall. Cool idea, and I love the no welding part!
That looks like a verry cool seat indeed! If you replace the 2 bolts that you use as a hingepin with 1 threaded rod that goes from top to bottom, It will hinge a lot better! Good luck!
Thank you! You are correct that would be better than I did here, I was rushing to get the job done and didn't have any rod on hand. It's what I did on my original steel version and I plan to do it to this one too. :)
Very clever. One thought, you could change out the hinge bolts with permanent pins so the seat would just drop onto the mounting bracket. Then make a number of the mounting brackets and attach them to different locations around your work tables. Then you could simply lift the seat off the bracket and move it to another location.
Fantastic! Would love an update on the longevity of that pivot point after a few months of regular use. As usual, I want to build your excellent designs!
Great idea, i like it a lot. If i could give you my two cents. I think a nice soft cooshy bicycle seat wood make for nice nice when sitting for a while, and instead of two bolts for the hinge, use one long threaded rod, and that will get rid of the play in the joints. Cool puppies mate, cheers !
very cool. For added strength, I recommend using one long axis for the hinge instead of two. This will help stabilize the uneven forces on the to hinge points.
Do a review of both seats this time next year pask. When you made the metal one I thought that I would try and replicate it from oak but didn't think it would be strong enough. I may go back after seeing you plywood version. Thanks for posting.
It looks like the mounted part of the hinge is already starting to separate at the top. I think it can be reinforced with a couple of vertical elements that run from top to bottom along the sides.
Oh dear, just loved the bit where you were swinging back and forth on the seat in time to the music - hilarious! You should put more music in your videos. Love it. Oh and of course those cute doggies are adorable too
Wow! You read my mind after the steel version -Thinks .......... “uhmm, if only he’d made that in wood I’d have loved to have had a crack at that one.” Dream come true. Thanks.
Cute bench dogs 😊 I like the idea of a swing out saddle seat. I won't be making one for myself though. Too much competition for space in that corner in my workshop, uh, garage....
Just what I'd planned. Except unlike mine you actually made it. I kinda wanted mine to have the seat pivot so it laid quite flat. But maybe I should just built it.
Very nifty, but I was surprised the seat itself wasn't hinged so that it could flip up and the whole assembly would rest closer to the bunch a bit more out of the way when not in use.
Coat the circle saws every so often a you cut with regular soap by running a bar of soap on the teeth. This makes the cut easier (works with any toothed implement in wood).
Thank you for the alternate material build! Both look great and I really enjoyed seeing how you solved the problem with each. I'd say the hinge itself looks rock solid. I'm thinking the potential points of failure might be the top and bottom rails (beams?) of the arm separating from the body. Time will tell and please let us know how it holds up. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you very much Seth! Honestly I don't see the arm/frame failing, other than at the hinge. I'm going to make a couple of changes to the hinge and make an update video. :)
Nice work Neil. I thought the 'seat' was going to be plywood as well at first. I like your willingness to experiment or 'have a go'! Look forward to updates on this one.
If this doesn't turn out to be strong enough, maybe you could design something around heavy duty door hinges, which ought to be strong enough while avoiding metal fabrication work.
Getting ads for swing out seats ranging from 30$ for just the seat or for 140-540$ dollars for the entire thing all being completely flat topped seats which get uncomfortable after a while.
You could reduce the bending forces on the two bolts which form the hinge axles by using longer bolts, and having a second ear attached to the table for each bolt, atop the mobile part.
The way it's now, the mobile part pulls the top of the bolt outwards while the lower part pulls it back towards the table. With two fixed ears, the mobile part would still pull it outwards, but both top and bottom fixed ears would pull it back. Means shorter levers trying to bend the bolts. Especially with that plastic washer added to lower friction, I doubt the forces on the bolt are shearing forces.
Would mean a complete rebuild of the fixed part, though, to make it strong and good looking.
One more thing that hit me when you were attaching the seat: it doesn't need that protruding center nose that bike seats have. On bikes you constantly move your legs, and need some stability. Also, being able to press with your legs sideways helps with stability and equilibrium. But the table won't tilt or fall over sideways, so you don't need this. The seat might be more comfortable without that nose.
Dude, your efforts to exclude metalworking also serve to highlight where the stress points are, and so serve to draw attention to where fabricators need to focus their attention. Awesome work, both here and in all your videos. Awesome, awesome channel.
Had look up “Drongo”. LOL....
“The word drongo is used in Australian and New Zealand English as a mild form of insult meaning "idiot" or "stupid fellow". This usage derives from an Australian racehorse of the same name (apparently after the spangled drongo, Dicrurus bracteatus) in the 1920s that never won despite many starts.”
Came for the woodwork,stayed for the Jack Russells. Awesome mate.
Drongo or not, that birds got some rhythm! This fold-out seat concept is excellent. It really keeps the workshop tidy.
Thanks Marielle! :)
Man you're good! I can see no fancy tools but regular ones that almost everyone can have and a huge talent to create great thinks. You're such an inspiration. Thank you!
Thank you very much Sergio! :)
The upper hinge part is already starting to separate. 10:20
But the middle bolt plus the ✩Dowel✩ is keeping it together I guess.
I was surprised nobody noticed it, one wrong *plop* on it and it will probably snap
check out frame 9:50 - top swivel support already coming loose. Should redesign as stack with a rod holding the whole thing together
With adding another stationary hinge part on top off. So top part hinge would be inside double stationary part.
sir i completely enjoyed your programme , it required a lot of intelligent engineering . your two work benches are brilliant , plus the bench on wheels would have many convenient applications . i loved your two helpers they were cute.
Thank you! :)
I like this idea. I will try to think of a way to make the seat sit on pegs and then have several peg locations so I can move the seat easily.
Love that you did another version plywood, looks cool. Love the pooches.
Pask, when you made the metal one (which is great and strong) I didn’t read the comments but was sure that you would get tons of them begging or complaining that it wasn’t wood. This one should satisfy them!
Looks well built and strong. Good build. Hope it continues to work well for you!
Thanks! There were a couple of comments along those lines but surprisingly less than I thought there would be! :)
You can clearly see the mount separating a bit @ 10:42, but you can also see how adding some cheek pieces to either side of the mount would hugely reinforce it, adding a very strong shear joint over the entire surface area. It would be immensely strong and wouldn't interfere with the movement of the arm.
Also consider adding a couple more bolts. More connections spreads stresses out = much greater strength, less flex etc.
"Laziness is the mother of invention..."Good job.
It may have some give, but by looking at it, I think it will be strong to last. You've got everything connected... nothing should sheer. Nice work!
Thank you! :)
Nice one Neil, works well and looks nice. A little tip; before using the hole saw drill a small hole (about 8mm) that slightly overlaps with the path of the hole saw. The sawdust from the hole saw will collect in the small hole. This will reduce smoke and burned edges.
Thanks and thanks for the tip! :)
Very cool idea, nice work on the angles for the support frame. About the only change I'd make is some padding on the seat. Love the cameo of the pups at the end. Great project.
Thank you! :)
A tie rod end with its threaded end through the ply cabinet could substitute for the top hinge. The force is greatest on this, and is mostly perpendicular to the cabinet wall. Cool idea, and I love the no welding part!
That looks like a verry cool seat indeed! If you replace the 2 bolts that you use as a hingepin with 1 threaded rod that goes from top to bottom, It will hinge a lot better! Good luck!
Thank you! You are correct that would be better than I did here, I was rushing to get the job done and didn't have any rod on hand. It's what I did on my original steel version and I plan to do it to this one too. :)
This is one of the best channels around.... u will be the Australian diresta
Haha! Thanks for the high praise! ;)
Hinge on bench being double sheer would help a lot with the mentioned give.
Yes that would definitely improve it. :)
That is one of the coolest workbench additions I've ever seen. Great job.
Very clever. One thought, you could change out the hinge bolts with permanent pins so the seat would just drop onto the mounting bracket. Then make a number of the mounting brackets and attach them to different locations around your work tables. Then you could simply lift the seat off the bracket and move it to another location.
Thanks Rex - that's a good idea! :)
Wow, good job !
Fantastic! Would love an update on the longevity of that pivot point after a few months of regular use. As usual, I want to build your excellent designs!
Thanks! I'll do an update soon. :)
Great idea, i like it a lot. If i could give you my two cents. I think a nice soft cooshy bicycle seat wood make for nice nice when sitting for a while, and instead of two bolts for the hinge, use one long threaded rod, and that will get rid of the play in the joints. Cool puppies mate, cheers !
Thanks Gino! I dealt with the bolts along with other issues and made an update video. :)
Perfect use of music here. Great video, great project, and a great track
Today I learned the word "drongo"! This looks like a great build. I hope it holds up well!
It's already coming apart at the top. Good job you used the dowels!
The seat looks great! Now i have to build a heavy enough mobile work bench to mount it on!
I watch woodworking videos in galore, but rarely I enjoy it so much as in here! Thanks a bunch! thumb up and subscribed
Thanks Adrian! :)
Love you work. You're one of the best woodworking channel in Australia. Thank you for sharing :)
From Melbourne
very cool. For added strength, I recommend using one long axis for the hinge instead of two. This will help stabilize the uneven forces on the to hinge points.
Very cool idea! Thanks from the north of Germany. Hauke.
Man, I just want to tell you that I truly enjoy everything you're doing... Hope RUclips is being good to you!
Thanks Jason! :)
9:36 The top hinge looks like it's being pulled out and there's a gap between it and the vertical ply D:
The thing looks really nice though :)
Poor support on the hinges
My thought exactly, but I'd reckon a couple of screws could fasten and strengthen the hinge assembly sufficiently.
Glad you made one of wood. I had wondered how one made with wood could deal with the weight of a person.
Do a review of both seats this time next year pask. When you made the metal one I thought that I would try and replicate it from oak but didn't think it would be strong enough. I may go back after seeing you plywood version. Thanks for posting.
You should definitely give it a crack, would look great in oak! :)
I was looking up "drongo" while watching - new word for me. Then, those really cute pups stole the show! Man, they are handsome.
Nice project, the ending swinging on the stool was gold had to have a giggle, nice one Neil. 👍
Thanks Riaan! Glad you liked that! ;)
It looks like the mounted part of the hinge is already starting to separate at the top. I think it can be reinforced with a couple of vertical elements that run from top to bottom along the sides.
I made the improvements in the follow up video. :)
Oh dear, just loved the bit where you were swinging back and forth on the seat in time to the music - hilarious! You should put more music in your videos. Love it. Oh and of course those cute doggies are adorable too
Greetings from Richmond. Virginia, USA. Another great video. Beautiful puppies as well.
Thanks Jay! :)
Wow! You read my mind after the steel version -Thinks .......... “uhmm, if only he’d made that in wood I’d have loved to have had a crack at that one.”
Dream come true.
Thanks.
Glad you liked it Howard! :)
pask makes anything and everything "i love this guys creativity its off the chart", keep on doing what your doing :)
there is no limit to perfection!
Good build and nice dogs,too
great design and crisp build video. Thanks
Nice design, I like how it looks like a steel work design
Un saludo, que buena banqueta....una vez mas un trabajo genial, da gusto verle trabajar.
Gracias.
Thanks a bunch! Another great build. Love the music synced with testing.
Dint know if Ply could withstand stand stress ...nice bearing work ...pretty cool
Man, now I want 2 puppies. Great build. I have to try this.
Looks plenty strong, Good work!
pretty cool seat, and omg those puppies!
Cute bench dogs 😊
I like the idea of a swing out saddle seat. I won't be making one for myself though. Too much competition for space in that corner in my workshop, uh, garage....
Just what I'd planned. Except unlike mine you actually made it. I kinda wanted mine to have the seat pivot so it laid quite flat. But maybe I should just built it.
Very nifty, but I was surprised the seat itself wasn't hinged so that it could flip up and the whole assembly would rest closer to the bunch a bit more out of the way when not in use.
this was so nice and smooth
Coat the circle saws every so often a you cut with regular soap by running a bar of soap on the teeth. This makes the cut easier (works with any toothed implement in wood).
amazing build i enjoy it so much that i watch atleast five of your videos a day keep up the great work
Nice work mate - I think I will give that a go making one as I have a bad back. Thanks Mike
Those seats are awesome
Gentle gentleman. Thanks for the video sir
Su proyecto es Fabuloso, muchas gracias por hacernos participe de ello , Felicitaciones !!!!!!!Desde Venezuela .
Gracias Luis! :)
I'm a newer subscriber and I'm really enjoying your builds man!
It’s really lovely to hear someone say the word ‘drongo’ on RUclips. :)
Onya mate.
Also those chopping washers are genius!
Thanks Will! :)
Adorable puppies
Thank you Sir. Drongo is not used nearly enough
Grumpy Ole Dave Too right Cobb
Thank you for the alternate material build! Both look great and I really enjoyed seeing how you solved the problem with each. I'd say the hinge itself looks rock solid. I'm thinking the potential points of failure might be the top and bottom rails (beams?) of the arm separating from the body. Time will tell and please let us know how it holds up. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you very much Seth! Honestly I don't see the arm/frame failing, other than at the hinge. I'm going to make a couple of changes to the hinge and make an update video. :)
С большим удовольствием смотрел, как хорошо выполняет свою работу мастер.
Wow, that's a really cool design. Thanks for a great idea.
Now I just have to find a place for one!
Thank you! :)
My childhood dog 🐶 was named pipa also. I like that you had two different approach to the seat. Metal and a wood one.. ☺
This is an awes..............PUPPIES!!!! ..............awesome build.
I wonder if the seat swiveled would it make it more useful at all angles. This is just gorgeous stuff.
Great project Neil, I wish I had room for one in my shop. Keep making great content.
Thanks for sharing, and those puppies are adorable.
Nice!!!!
You surprise me every week, congratulations for this awesome project!!
Nice work Neil. I thought the 'seat' was going to be plywood as well at first. I like your willingness to experiment or 'have a go'!
Look forward to updates on this one.
Thanks Damo! I thought about plywood, osb and a number of other materials. That was the most difficult part of the project, deciding on the seat! :)
Awesome, I’m going to try this, thanks!
Really enjoyed that!
Both designs are beautiful. Well done!
Thank you very much! :)
Multi talented. Great build
LMAO that music!! I wouldn't have thought so, but I could watch Pask swing on that seat all day. 9:23
Glad you liked it Jacob! :)
If this doesn't turn out to be strong enough, maybe you could design something around heavy duty door hinges, which ought to be strong enough while avoiding metal fabrication work.
Ciao sei il migliore di tutto il web ,un saluto dall'Italia,ti seguo sempre
Like the seat love the pups🐶
Brilliant video as always. Love this project. I will definitely be making a steel one in the future. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Josh! If you can make the steel one then that would be the way to go, at least this is an alternative! :)
this is blilliant!,i need to build one!
Top notch as always!
“WOW” That’s a fantastic project brother, really nice.
Thats a nice chunk of plywood you built this one out of Neil. Should do the job, one for each puppy, haha, love those dogs. Great video as usual.
Very nice job. Mine is on casters and it seems to be in the way all the time . So this is an alternative.
*Those puppies were the part I like most of all.*
I hope those puppies will be helping out in future projects! 😍
KarlBunker i would love to see him make something for the puppies like a house or something similar
Getting ads for swing out seats ranging from 30$ for just the seat or for 140-540$ dollars for the entire thing all being completely flat topped seats which get uncomfortable after a while.
I like this puppies to :)
My shop dogs aren’t nearly that tiny. I can’t have any seat that swings cos my beagle pushes me away from my work if I do.
Love your dogs.
Wonderful video M8. Great job!!!
Beautiful work
AMAZING!! Thanks from Brazil!
Great build!!
I gave the dogs a thumbs up.
The seat was good .
Cheers John