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Folk Magic, Witchcraft, & Christianity
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- Опубликовано: 3 фев 2022
- Here's a long-awaited video discussing:
- the elements of Christianity and Catholicism in folk magic
- some resources on Italian folk magic and more information on Catholicism & Christianity in Witchcraft
- why we don't see folk practitioners use the term "witchcraft" historically
- how I use Catholic tools in my practice as an Italian folk practitioner.
A Note via 11:55:
I am aware that the Bible is regarded as a Holy Text, while Mythology is regarded as something open to interpretation and just that - mythology. As a folk witch, I treat the Bible kind of like a mythological text, and am aware that not everyone may do the same. I used the example of mythos vs Bible to show that witches who are pagan rarely take mythology literally but witches outside of Christianity & Catholicism taking verses from the Bible and throwing it into the face of Christian/Catholic witches without the understanding that some Christians & Catholics (especially witches) may not follow the Bible to a tee, like we do with our mythology.
My point/opinion is mostly that I don't think that people should be throwing other people's religious texts or mythologies into other people's faces to prove a point when they are not a part of it. Feel free to disagree.
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My Catholic dad has an altar to Guadalupe that he lights candles and incense on and leaves offerings.
When I started getting into witchcraft as a teen he was actually excited for me, but told me to learn only curanderismo or other Mexican healing paths that were used within Catholicism because everything else was evil.
It's interesting for sure.
It's a beautiful tradition in my opinion!
thats not actual catholicism thats religious sycrinism
@@firekoovin3347 catholicism today looks very different from catholicism 65 years ago. Which looks very different from medieval catholicism. Religions change over time. Just because it's not rarified catholicism doesn't make it not Catholic.
@@Sofspot1 religious sycrinism is a heracy, just becasue catholicism is dif from back then it still sort of has that same integrity that it always has been having(except for that v2 that look sus). That's why we have the cannons, they are like the moral laws which apply to all times.
@@firekoovin3347 @FireKoovin 1) if you're suspicious of V2, then I would be careful calling people heretics.
2) the church recognizes all that is holy in other religions (like saints coming from Greco-Roman hero cults, or the church sanctioning ancestor veneration in Vietnam).
3) canon law has been written, rewritten, and codified several times over the thousands of years the Church has been around, so Im skeptical of them being moral laws for all times.
4) I have stuff to do so I can't keep coming back, have a good day
I am SOOOOO EXCITED for this video! I myself am a Christian witch, meaning I believe in God and Jesus, but also do rituals, and spells, and other 'witchy' things!
Me too! Just starting out. I'm 53 and have had things happening in my life since a kid that has "spoken" to me that has led me to this point, which I never knew existed until recently
Same here! They like literally come through, and are always waiting for us to get into our practice and reach out to them for help. So happy I'm not the only one who follows this path!
@@naturallygreatgems me too! I grew up thinking it was evil and thinking the things I was experiencing was just flukes. Once when I was like 7 or 8, my mom and I were on the way back from MD to VA after my sister's wedding. I told her not to be upset but my cat just got hit by a car. She told me not to say that. As soon as we got home my step dad came to the car and said "Before you even get out of the car Digger (my cat) got hit by a car today and is dead." I said "I know" and my mom just gave me a weird look. I told her I told you so. And my husband and I were on the way to my dad's and I was sleeping in the car and I suddenly woke up and I told him there was an accident up ahead and he had to slow down. He told me to shut up and go back to sleep. Which I did not. Sure enough within a few minutes we see a long back up of car lights due to an accident. Then on the way home I told him to be careful because a deer was going to jump in the road in front of us.. And it did. The thing is it comes and goes. Sometimes for years
@@GiniRisinger Thanks for sharing your story with us! You still have such a great memory too! It was a difficult situation for many, I heard that lots of the baby boomers and those before them, most of them couldn't use their gifts either, and this cascaded down onto their families; to us, but now seems to be the healing time for us all.
That seems to be a similar experience for a lot of us who had these gifts but at the same time because of the traditions we grew up in, they were suppressed. I went through something similar as well, my memory is so suppressed but by using some healing techniques it helps reignite them. All I remember is people always came to me to help them with different things, and if something bad was going to happen I would refuse to even go out. The messages seem to come up randomly and once in a while as well for me, but appparently with meditation practice it helps us receive them more regularly. It is a unique gift which you cannot force it to tell you things but have to listen instead, and when we have an important message to pass onto others we then receive it. I'm so sorry you too were not listened to, especially as a child, as we release the trauma around it, and also forgive our carers because they didn't know any other way it will help with the healing and reawaken the gifts.
There are lots of healing techniques we can use to heal through them, and get back in alignment with our gifts. Most importantly sharing the experience and being listened to helps build up the connection. Really grateful that we have a space we can share. Best wishes with everything, I think you have a wonderful gift and may it flourish beyond your wildest imagination. ✨✨
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Catholic tools used in practice: 14:32
15:38 rosaries
16:34 note about Diana/St Mary
17:00 treasury of novenas
17:08 saint cards
17:38 saint candles
17:53 holy water
Book recommendations:
Anthology-
18:28 Power and Magic in Italy
18:28 Magic & Theory from the South
19:39 Italian Magic: Secret Lives of Women
Lighter Reading-
20:38 The Things We Do: The Way of the Holy Bendetta
22:20 Italian Folk magic: Rue’s Kitchen Witchery
23:00 Magical Power of the Saints
23:15 Sister Karol’s Book of Spells, Blessings and Folk Magic
23:28 Honoring Your Ancestors: Guide to Ancestral Veneration
Ooo, I have always found witches/practitioners making Christianity a part of their practise fascinating! In the beginning, I thought I had to set my religion and craft completely separate but seeing others do it blew my mind haha. Personally, I find this topic very interesting and would love to see more videos if you’re interested in making them
Same!
I am Christo Pagan and love the interest you have!🥰
Two words High Magik, you should check out "Angels and Archangels" by Damien Echlos. It goes over the Astral Death and how to work directly with Angels. Samael is my favorite, because he can manifest as a Angel or a Demon. He's the literal definition of duality. The Angel of Good and Evil, Angel of Death, and redeemed fallen Archangel that chooses to serve the creator
@@aharonbaalshem that's awesome to read bc I was born on a Tuesday, and some traditions have Samael as the Archangel of Tuesday. So I know there's a bit of a connection there. Thank you!
@@dianeaishamonday9125 Yea my Angel altar has the Seal of the 7 Archangels on it and has him as Mars. He's listed in Soloman's Key as Mars also. I was born on a Saturday which makes sense. I like the spirits of Saturn and my Matron's sigil is built around the alchemetical symbol of Saturn. But Samael is awesome, he understands human nature better than any of the other Angels. And he's a very powerful healer
My great grandmother was from Italy, and was also a Romani Jew. Every time I see a topic like this one, it makes me so happy. She would have loved to see things like this discussed and coming back to life. (And can confirm, she didn't call it witchcraft . . . it was always referred to as "The Old Ways.") I miss her so much.
Always the Old Ways, the things we do, etc. I love this comment. Thank you for sharing.
I'm also romami
@@ChaoticWitchAunt What do you say to Christians who quote verses that seem to condemn magic?
Romani jews are not from Italy.
@@alessandrom7181many romani (and sinti) live in Italy but mostly are ortodox, unluckly mostly are bad integrated.
Reading these comments make me so happy. These last few weeks I have felt so split in half. Divided between being Catholic and a practicing witch, finding a way to bring them together. I am so happy to learn I am not alone. Thank you for this video and for bringing so many of us together.
Hello, I was once in your place going between god and witchcraft. My family is catholic and been raised catholic. We would worship Mary although many it’s not worship but is it . I’m now Christian god has shown me so much. I would do baneful magic and “light” magic. I worked through lunar cycles, back to sender spells, many things that go on and on. The point I was deep into witchcraft and the devil deceived me. I was also into tarot cards and I one time asked the lord for a dream and to answer my question , “why can’t I use tarot cards , I could help others get closer by doing this”. That night I had a dream and it was the last days and everyone was killing each other and I was telling everyone to spread the word before it’s too late. By giving me this dream the lord is saying in the last days no tarot cards no witchcraft will help save others , ONLY GOD. If you are a catholic , that means you believe that he died on the cross for us and Jesus will come, and the rapture will happen. I’m telling you all this because I want to do gods will, help save souls , help those that are lukewarm. I’ve talked to demons , had sleep paralysis, I know how they work, their sneaky and full of lies like the devil. Matthew 6:24 “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one and love the other; or else he will hold to the one and despise the other, ye cannot serve god and mammon”. Mammon means evil or idolize other gods. Watch John Ramirez on RUclips , his testimony is amazing and can relate to u. You are not alone god is waiting for you to seek a relationship with him. Find your way to god. The beliefs of the catholic are very pagan and would be similar to witchcraft that I would do. Catholicism is more about the church , Christianity is putting god first , having relationship with him. Don’t make these lukewarm Christians scare you away, ask GOD, ask for a dream on a question you have , put all your faith in knowing he will answer. For he knows your heart . God bless you and feel free to ask me anything .
Witchcraft is condemned by the Catholic Church. You cannot be a practicing Catholic and participate in it !
Its definitely a very individualistic path. So different for each and every practitioner. Becoming a christopagan has been an eye opening experience. My daily practice has brought me closer to God and helps me to have a raw realistic look at certain areas of my life. Shadow work has been such a rewarding part of my journey as well .
When I first heard that Christianity or Catholicism do not mix with witchcraft, I was extremely surprised because here in Latin America is extremely common to see esoteric practices that very much involve saints, Mary and the holy trinity! People are so quick to forget the fact that Christianity and Catholicism aren’t exclusively based on eurocentric views.
If you read the Bible, what you just described is not what Christianity is about. Mixing Christianity
With other religions is just making a false god in your own image to worship rather than the one true God. It’s idolatry. It’s idol worship. It’s spiritual perversion. christianity is about God coming to a lost and sinful people and telling them how they can be made right with him and be reunited with him through Jesus Christ. Practicing witchcraft was punishable by death in the Old Testament. This isn’t build a religion. Because you don’t determine reality. You don’t get to determine who God is. Only God does. And he told us who he is and what he did and what he’s going to do. What he told us to do was not practice witchcraft.
latinos are south european colonies, this means they picked most of our witchraft (italian segnatura and go on, for example i do believa Santa Muerte comes from here since Napoli do) and unite them with their too... so, they even more into than us. But southern europe is into christian witchcraft. Tarots ARE christian witchcraft 100% as are oracles. 😊
Alchemia was a christian witchcraft mostly.
so, those practice are eurocentric😅
Thank you so much! As a Christian, I have always been interested in witchcraft even as a kid. I’ve always struggled with the balance, because of course (most) Christians wont accept you for it and (most) witches wont accept you for it either. You’re kind of like the black sheep. But ultimately, my journey with God is more important, and that journey includes things that bring me closer to him, like prayer, and spells, and crystals, and tarot. And I don’t see how according to Christians, something that brings me closer to God could possibly be wrong. Everybody’s journey is different, and whatever works for someone is what’s best for them. Spirituality isn’t a one size fits all. And this video helped so much! Especially with the part about how magick is the devils work, even though their actions we may consider it magick, but they don’t. That really spoke to me. Unfortunately, I don’t know where my ancestors from Europe came from, but I do know I have some Cherokee ancestors. If anyone knows any spiritual guidance in books, websites, people, etc when it comes to Native American spirituality or Cherokee spirituality, please let me know! I’d love to check it all out
A big part of my spiritual journey has been this battle between witchcraft and Christianity, and now that I am learning that they don't have to be separate, I am filled with peace! I think I've finally figured things out :)
I love this!!!! I am currently creating my own path of blending Christianity and Wicca. I love the deity Father God and I don’t see Him the way most traditional Christians do. I also absolutely love the spiritualism of Wicca. I have never been happier than finding a beautiful blend between these two things!!!! Thank you for sharing this Frankie! I have gotten hate from both sides and it’s awesome to hear some support blending different practices.
i am Christo Pagan and i truly feel it is such a beautiful path
Maybe look into Trinitarian Wicca!
@@quinnmallory9025 thank you! I for sure will!!!! 💕
“Witchcraft” was a label placed on many women (also some men) who often were herbalist, midwives and healers. This was a label given by the church in order to subdue women by using them as an example to other women and girls not to tap into their Feminine Divine. As co-creators with God, this was a very powerful gift. In my 60 years of life, (Crone/Christian/Jewish), I have discovered within myself that I no longer have to please anyone but myself. I can be what I choose to be. Humans are complex and as much as the Puritans, Catholic Church, Evangelical church would like to fit us into tidy “little” boxes, one size doesn’t fit all. I have reconciled who and what I am and VERY comfortable in my own skin and I love myself. My daughter’s do as well.
The vast majority of people killed during the witch trials were not herbalists, midwives, or healers. They were largely just random Christian women. The idea that the witch trials were persecuting folk magic practitioners is rooted in long-debunked 20th century anthropology that proposed a clandestine "witch cult" survival.
I’m a former pastor and now a folk magic practitioner. I’m old now, but my four decades in ministry have convinced that most Christians faith is based much more on generations of folk tradition, and not so much on official theology decided in creedal councils or approved seminaries. I have heard hundreds of people talk about their faith-private, personal conversations. These are church going people who are there most Sundays a month, teach religious education to the children. Any two people may have wildly different understandings of any religious topic, depending on where they grew up, particular ways the local church of their upbringing celebrated holidays, their traumas or good experiences. There is a huge difference between what the Church hierarchies proclaim to be True Religion and the spiritual folkways of the people in the pews. It’s kinda wonderful. I came to the conclusion that, when it gets to the people, it’s all folklore. Story, ritual, celebrations, prayer. All of it. ❤
Amen. The truth is in the heart. The words and rituals are gateways - not the destination.
Brilliant 😊💯🌹
I would love to hear more about folk Christianity and Italian folk magic. My family is mostly Italian, some of my dad's side is from Sicily (which many may argue is extremely different from Italy and should be its own country) and I'm working on determining the location of my mom's side. I would love to hear more about venerating and working with saints, as well as working with ancestors with a different belief system than yours. I'd also like to hear about how you separate veneration from worship, as I understand they are different things but am having trouble teasing out where the distinction lies.
Christian Hoodoo
as a non-christian pagan/witch, this is an absolutely fascinating and enlightening video. thank you for sharing your craft with us, frankie!
exactly, plus my mom is a catholic witch and we talk about this too in house
As a Catholic witch, I've found that the times I involve my religion with my practice are the ones it works the best, I've done very solid work with very little resources and prayer/my crucifixes and neckleces of la Virgen, mostly with protective magic. It's a very individual path to find what works for you but it's been an incredibly healing journey personally
Wow, you give me hope. As a current catholic, who is not attending church atm, I feel something has been missing. Previously I was a witch amoung studying other things. I feel I am still drawn to all things witchy but love aspects of my catholic faith. I am so excited to hear you have made this work. Maybe I am not crazy after all...being a catholic witch could work for me too!!!! Thank you for sharing ur story, to help others out there feel secure in their spirituality and beliefs.
@@Curly_Ange I'm glad that I've been of help, I'm also not attending church atm, but I do bible study whenever I can, listen to sacred music, and for example whenever I do a spell or something involving my practice I pray, I enchant/bless my crucifixes or crystals, stuff like that. I also do deity work and I'm currently working with Apollo, and he's been very supporting of my faith and encourages me to do bible study and anything to worship God as well as him. You'd be surprised of how much both religion and witchcraft can coexist peacefully, it has also taken me by surprise. I wish you good luck in your journey, you'll see that once you get used to mixing them they are very enjoyable together! Blessed be 😊
@@gaslight.gatekeep.girlboss6476 Hello again. It sounds like this is working for you so beautifully, I am so excited to hear the success you are having with combining the two. You truly have given me hope. Only today, and after reading your response earlier in the day, I have purchased my first book in many years on the topic...it's called 'The Path of a Christian Witch' by Adelina St. Clair. I am super excited to receive it as she is a catholic witch too....like you. It sounds like she has learnt to blend the two together (as you have) and I thought it sounded perfect. I am very much looking forward to my new journey, which is different from years ago being a Wiccan witch...this is different and maybe more unique, as it seems I may be a catholic witch. Thank you again. Blessed Be!
@@Curly_Ange Me too ❤️ I’m happy to read these comments. I incorporate the Holy Trinity, our blessed Mother Mary, saints, and the archangels. I use the rosary, holy water, our Catholic candles, the psalm’s, the bells, and incense. I was feeling conflicted because I feel connected to both. After I started learning witchcraft, my spirit guides asked me to read the Bible to learn more as well understand duality. It also helped me understand how our mass incorporates many “witch” rituals. Now, I’m reading the Bible and listening to Father Mike as part of reflection. I’m learning about herbs, curanderismo, crystal healing, energy work, and magick spells at the same time. I feel like it’s all interconnected. I told my mom (my family is very Mexican Catholic) and she was okay with it because her mother’s lineage were spiritual herb healers and witches. She saw how her grandmother was a great and loving woman, and a witch. I feel so much closer to God and pray so much more than ever before.
@@Light-qv2ey sounds like you have a very special and beautiful faith. How amazing to have had witches in your family history. Thank you for sharing all you do..it helps me and gives me more ideas on how I can practice my faith too.🥰
*Many witches for thousands of years have been accused of not understanding that we are healers of medicine or love. important in the religions of the world is and will always be LOVE. And here I try to expose with music this love for the Gods, whatever they are.*
Pure truth and congratulations on the channel, I jumped there
You are on the Chaotic channel and for sure she will help you. Welcome
I was raised Southern Baptist, and when I left home I picked up an Eclectic Pagan path. Over the last two years I've had a lot of spiritual and magical and energetic strife because of the schism between how I was raised versus things that I feel connected to, so this video really helps me. I would love to see more.
Were you raised Southern Baptist in the Appalachians? If you were, you could look into Appalachian Folk Magic too
I really feel your pain. Same here.
Totally up to you, of course, but I would love it if you did a follow up video on how people recovering from religious trauma could find ways to undo mental blocks associated with Christianity or Catholicism. Most of my ancestors were brought over on the ships to North America and I have a hard time connecting with any god that was forced upon them. I actually have some hate in my heart because of all the customs, culture, and ways of life that were ripped away from them or forced to be hidden with Catholicism (hoodoo). I have a good relationship with mine, but that's a hurdle I haven't been able to find a solution to in nearly ten years.
Man you made this video at the perfect time. I've been struggling with how to incorporate catholic practices into my newly started ancestral veneration. Ive had a very estranged relationship with Christianity and catholism due to my family, but it really only feels right to use catholic prayers when communing with my ancestors until I am comfortable enough in my own practice and with my communication with them to incorporate any other ways of communing.
Thank you for this. I watched another one of your videos and brought the Italian folk magic book by Rue's Kitchen Witchery. I'm African American, Native American, and Italian. My nonna lives in Italy and I can't always talk to her. Finding information about Italian magic and spirituality is difficult. This book helped me connect to my Italian roots. If it wasn't for you I wouldn't have found this book. I'm now knowledgeable in the spiritual practices of all my ancestors. Thank you so much, you've helped me in many ways.
As someone who's Christian and a beginning practitioner I am super excited to see your take on this as I have a *lot* of opinions/takes/differing understanding but no platform to open the dialogue with them. Cheers! 🥂
I would love to hear a conversation between you and your mom discussing each other’s points of view. I think it would be interesting to hear her take and ideas. Love the video
I love this idea! I do have an old video with her, but my ideas have changed a lot since then, and I'll see if she's up to it.
@@ChaoticWitchAunt oh man this would be cool
Great idea. I think working with the Saints and angels are excellent sources of energy, and healing. Mary is my Goddess and Jesus is my God!
Very well said, relatable, and respectful. I was raised in the pentecoastal church and so all my closest ancestors are Christian. My witchcraft practices are heavily influenced by Christianity and it feels so validating to know I'm not alone.
I'm not Christian, I'm LDS (Mormon), and I'm not sure if I'm ever going to call myself a witch ('m going to start with herbalism and go from there), but I'm really glad I found this video. It really gives me a lot of comfort when it comes to practicing Witchcraft and still calling myself a Latter-Day Saint. Thank you for making this video :)
Lets be honest, there is nothing wrong with praying while doing spells. Setting intentions and prayer are two sides of the same coin. I mean when someones calls a circle are they not just reaching out to whatever energy they need to come..... thats not different than praying to a god when they need support.
I pray Psalms everyday after I pray to Lilith🤣 people don't understand the Bible is a book of Magik. Tons of vids right here on RUclips about Psalm Magik. Christianity evolved from the Canaanites who were some of the best magicians on the planet at one time. And they had a powerhouse patheon El Elyon, King Ba'al, Yahweh, Asherah, Astarte, Anat, Mot, Lucifer, and Moloch
Absolutely....
"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelations 21:8
@@aharonbaalshem 1 Peter 5:8-9
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Resist him, steadfast.
the devil will trick you so be aware . the Bible contains no magic . the Bible also mentions that the devil can appear disguised as an angel of God. the only thing that the Bible contains is the Holy Spirit.
@@melisamartinez5994 Yea keep believing a institution that literally rapes and pillaged for power. You Christians need to stay in YOUR own lane. I can easily debunk that Bible with historical facts by which Pagan religions it came from. YOU will be the one going through the second death because you did NOTHING to return to God Consciousness. My God is all there is and I am apart of him but I have free will so I must do the inner work to find enlightenment. I am NOT decieved by the Demiurges religions and his baptism spells. Keep viberating at fear and see where it gets you
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Thank you so much for this. Most of my recent ancestors were Pentecostal Holiness and so many of their healings involved folk practices. Although none would ever, every admit to it! I can remember prior to my Grandmother's death, her life long friend and preacher came in with holy oils, Psalms, prayers in tongue and "healing from her hands" to ease any suffering. My very Christian ancestors also believe in plant medicine, relationship with the earth (they were farmers and preachers) and many times, as a kid, I had tobacco placed on a bee sting to draw out poison. In my own practice, I have added in veneration of Jesus and work with him as one of my mentors and guides.
I’m also a witch from a Pentecostal holiness background!
I’m so happy that you made this video. I was raised Catholic (I somehow managed to avoid religious trauma), but identify as agnostic now. However, I incorporate a lot of Catholicism into my practice, partially because it’s familiar & comforting to me, partially because of the aesthetics (yes I’m vain, lmao), and partially to feel connected to my ancestors (my mom’s side is Polish).
Thank you so much for talking about this. I just started practicing, and i have been torn on with my christian upbringing with my parents/grandparents, as well as learning and being true to my indegenous polynesian roots as well as my mexican roots.
Same, but with just Mexican part.
Good video! I love how you talk about syncretization in folk Catholicism. It's a derived practice stemming from colonized countries or countries strongly influenced by Catholic ideals. The Philippines also has folk Catholic practices (Lihim na Karunungan, "Hidden Knowledge") and I agree that they call themselves more as "folk healers" than actually calling themselves mangkukulam ("witches"). Anywho, great job and I look forward to hearing more of your perspectives on this matter ♡
Finding you has truly endorsed my need to retravel my path with new eyes. 🙏 ❤
I combine my paganism with AngloCatholicisim , you hear the term episca-paganisim often in pagan circles here in the UK, I always thought that was quite a good term, synthising the spirituality of paganism with the social/cultural aspects of the church.
I can’t tell you how happy this made me!!!! I’m Christian and work with Archangel Michael, and I’m also a witch. I’m not Italian, but I’m hoping to research Irish folk magick and start to incorporate that into my practice. I don’t know a whole lot about my lineage, but I know I’m Irish because because when I showed interest in Irish dancing my grandmother told me that her grandmother (or great grandmother, I can’t remember which generation) came to the US from Ireland. This video makes me feel so seen, thank you!
Hey! Im a Christo-pagan witch, just started this path actually. Really happy that you covered this topic, specially since I've felt very unwelcome in the community due to my path and beliefs
You’re always welcome here :)
I loved this video so much, so refreshing to have a conversation about Catholicism/Christianity being bound up in folk magic. I was brought up Catholic and still find a lot of comfort and power in the traditions; I denied it for a long time while I was exploring my pagan path but I could never bring myself to stop praying to St Anthony when I lost things and saying the rosary to honour Our Lady. I feel so much happier now I've made my peace with bringing together different parts of my practice. In England, where I'm from, there was a time when Catholicism was driven underground (during the Reformation) and my maternal ancestors (even recently e.g. great grandma and grandma) have a strong sense of keeping the traditions alive and there being something powerful in sustaining them despite the early Church of England's attempts to wipe them out. Also it's funny to me that at that time Catholicism was seen as pagan. It's all come full circle! Anyway that was a long way of saying thanks for making this :)
I can't express how grateful I am to hear you say these things. Yes, yes, yes! I can relate. Yes, they were just the practices of the day, the things we do. Yes, ppl did NOT call themselves witches. Yes, prayer is powerful. Yes.... to so many things. Thank you!
Prayer=Spell
As an ex-Babtist with bad experiences with Christianity, I'm glad you feel comfortable in your religion. You're refreshing.
As I suggested to another JW don't trash away your believs for a system. As she said, I do agree, spiritualism doesn't belong necessarily to worship. Unless you choosed another path, as I did, don't give up with baptism but try to evolute baptism! Is better create your version of baptism than give up... in Italy catholics aren't no more like in past, nowdays 30% of us do a lot of witchcraft and is accepted even if they don't know is witchcraft.
In Rai 2, the statal tv, we got Paolo Fox with oroscope. Is normal and ok.
So, really, DON'T GIVE UP!❤
I love how open you've been about this ~ like you said, it's a contentious topic, but frankly... if you aren't hurting anyone or disrespecting someone else who cares? I'm working on deconstructing my own religious trauma to better connect with my Scots/Irish ancestry and it's been quite the ride, haha!
I am so glad you made this video because of my practice, I am still exploring, but after two years of research, this feels a closer direction than what i have been looking at.
Edit: With having eastern european and celtic roots, than having ancestors that grew up around the germanic dutch in PA (aka Hex signs were the norm and integrated into our heritage) hearing folk magic and customs you discuss is comforting to me. Especially since I grew up Catholic and to call myself one feels wrong, but I still believe in saints, angels, God, and such. But I also feel wrong to worship and prostrate myself to another, but rather I see saints, angels, etc. as teachers to help myself grow spiritually. Mary is very important to me and always have been since I was a child ( i felt closer to her than Jesus) and Michael the archangel. So to hear this was really helpful.
I may look into italian folk magic for while i don't have direct ancestry connection as far as i am aware ( I am still exploring my heritage beyond a certain point, I would like to learn what I can do and get ideas for I am still in the figuring out stage for while I keep reading, some things haven't felt right. This is the closest things have felt right so far and theosophy, but I am still figuring it out, but I am so glad for channels like yours.
I'm in kinda the same boat with Braucherei and maybe Irish folkmagic that I'm interested in
I just wanted to say thank you for sharing your story! I think your family history is first off very cool (I grew up in a small town of mostly Italian folks in what has been historically considered the Little Italy of the area so I see exactly where you are coming from!)
I myself am reconnecting with my heritage as a Black American of Mexican and Indigenous heritage. I’ve had to reconcile a lot with understanding my family history in full color but have recently found a big piece of the puzzle in that I’m northern Appalachian with ancestors from the southern portion of the Appalachian region, particularly TN and NC. I grew up seeing my mom and basically every other woman in my family practice Christianity very differently than others with an emphasis on spiritual warfare, deliverance, speaking in tongues, talking to/ seeing spirits, prophetic dreams, herbalism, blessing new homes to keep demons and entities out, breaking curses, and even astral projection that was described as “The lord took her body and spirit and she saw everything. Not long after that she died.”
My mother incorporated the rosary, Anima Christi, and St. Michael when I was growing up and tbh I can identify with your practice in some ways. People who don’t get that are going to have to get real with how these experiences actually looked 😂. The most powerful witches in my family are staunch Christians 😂
Yes, yes, yes. I've been working with AFM for a few years, and recently discovered my family's more ancient, Scotts-Irish Catholicism based root. It just felt RIGHT, so I decided to lean in- like you said, if nothing else than to honor my ancestors.
My first week learning about saint magic, including who I believe to be my patron saint, was nothing short of crazy magical. Like, instantly got a job with a $11k pay raise magic. Magic like being able to speak questions while standing in my kitchen and then simply *knowing* the answer- specifically for lost items. Magic like being able to ask my grandma for Christmas presents (usually the manifestation of lost heirlooms) and as long as I keep her rituals alive, she ALWAYS comes through. Magic so tangible I could no longer deny its flow in my life.
When you know, you just do :) Also St.Anthony's tongue pod ftw, the Our Lady of Sorrows episode made me cry!
Thank you for the podcast recommendation! Like you the more I lean into the Orthodox/Catholic roots the more my magic just takes off.
I really appreciate this video. I’m a Celtic Christian who tries to use scottish folk magic in my practice to honor my Scottish/Gaelic ancestors, but I also use elements of Catholicism to honor my German Catholic ancestors. Lots of syncretism there 😂 This was a very interesting discussion that I think so many more Christians, witches, and Christian witches should have together. I have a question; do you have a video/have you talked about the difference between worship and veneration? I have tried to research it myself, but it’s very difficult for me to know exactly where one draws the line between worship and veneration. Thank you for this video!
Exodus 22:18 is translated as "Thou shall not suffer a witch to live". But that phrase in Hebrew actually translates to "evil sorcerer" or "poisoner", not witch. It was translated as witch later on (around the inquisition, maybe sooner) in order to persecute the old religions and pagan practices. To scare people away from them and into the Church.
thank you so much for making this video. i have always struggled with combining my practice with my families christian traditions, and this has helped me tremendously.
I’m a Catholic witch. I love Mary, Christ, saints and angels. I pray the rosary and work with divination and elements. I’m Celtic and Norse heritage. I’m interested in deities from those cultures, especially Bridget. Magic, spells, and folk practices have been a part of Christianity since its beginning-though obviously not thought of as “orthodox” by the church. I loved your video.
thank you for this video! i’m a slavic pagan and i’ve wanted to incorporate the religion of my closer ancestors into my practice for a while, so this is very helpful!
i was raised catholic but i am igbo and we have our own practices. While syncretisation has occurred to an extent, for those who are willing to incorporate either practice, they will take aspects that they like from either practice. I know some igbo practitioners combine the practices. I personally participate in some catholic practices because it is familiar and also because many of my immediate ancestors were raised catholic. However i am still trying to decolonize igbo folk practices because some of our words for our deities were twisted to mean devil and such
I love this, thank you!!!! The combination of both practices is also very present in Italian witchcraft/folk magic circles, especially with looking at Ancient Roman & Greek religions as well as the new Italian American recon movement.
i love the way you view and understand the world and people in general, you always have such a smart and interesting perspective that makes Chaotic Witch Aunt an amazing community to be part of, thank you for talking about this topic, im not a christian but this religion means a lot to the people i love so i respect and appreciate their god.
yess witch vs cunning folk! most witches today would actually fall into the category of “cunning folk” and i think it’s really important for current day practitioners to look into folk magick. The Cunning Man’s handbook is amazing for it
I just need to let you know how absolutely wonderful this video is. I've been struggling trying to find my footing, my whole teen and young adult life was spent bouncing back and forth between my craft and God, trying to find ways to use my faith in my spiritual practices, dealing with religious or spiritual guilt, and I just haven't. I haven't practiced in so long, maybe since 2020, and I have barely prayed or touched my bible in a year. I've been so lost but this video has shown me not just that I can do both- but how I can do both!! It feels and looks so right and natural. Thank you! I'm going to start looking into Irish Catholicism, saints, and Irish folk magic. My maternal family all came from Ireland, except for my mothers father who was Native American. This will be a great way to explore my roots and get back to being wholly me :)
ive been thinking about this a lot as i learn more about my heritage (im scottish), as well as with imbolc recently. looking at how many celtic deities were canonized into saints, such as with st brigid, as well as seeing how much catholicism and christianity are tied into folk practices.
I am not Italian but I find so many fascinating similarities with Filipino folk magic, which also syncretized heavily with Catholicism. I felt that when you said that modern practitioners are connecting more with roots and ancestors that have been lost over time. ❤
Magical Power of the Saints is a great book for any folk practitioners. Really solid understanding of magical energy work, and how to do candle magic. A classic!
The Way of the Rose is also outstanding. What a revolutionary book. I too pray the rosary to Our Mother once again. If you love the Goddess, she invites you to pray the rosary. She will listen, no matter what you call her.
I'm there with you. I grew up Catholic with Irish heritage in New Mexico (a very catholic place as well). The first magic workers I met were curanderos and practicioners of shamanism-both of which drew heavily on nature, but also incorporated catholic imagery. It made sense to me and only once I started delving deeper into Paganism did I wonder. One thing is clear, Christianity conquered Europe and the Americas, so any type of practice you find will have been influenced either (positively or negatively) by Christianity. Not to mention my ancestors said prayers with the Rosary and were Catholic, so it's an easy way to connect with them and 'speak their language'.
I venerate the goddess(es), the wiches of old, my ancestors, the divine source(God), and the ones who were able to tap into the divine themselves like Jesus, Buddha and the saints. I see Jesus as an enlightened being akin to a Buddha. When it starts not making logical sense I admit that I don't know it all, the divine is much too large for us to completely comprehend and place into categories.
That's all to say: Thanks for the video.
According to the Bible, Jesus was God in the flesh and there is no one else like him. He is the beginning and the ending eternal everlasting Holy one. He came to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, Moses, the Israelites the prophets, the saints. He came to us and told us with HIS own mouth how to worship him and how to please him and be united with Him. HE told us. If you aren’t following Him, you follow a lie.
Jesus wasn’t enlightened. He was the son of God. Second person of the Trinity. The Saints were those who put their trust in Jesus and repented of their sins and were gifted with the Holy Spirit who lived in them. Their powers were not their own, but God who is living in them. Their salvation was to God‘s grace alone through their faith. This is not something that can be achieved through witchcraft, which is a self worshiping, demon pleasing practice centered on pride and lust. It leads to death. It has nothing to do with Christianity. Considering the fact that all sorcerers were put to death in the Old Testament.
I’m new to the practice of witchcraft and I’m also Italian American. However, I was raised Catholic & have a lot of religious trauma as a result. My craft is very separate from that religion as a necessity, but I’m very intrigued by your practice and what you do. I’m happy that you’ve found this path that is so right for you, and also thanks for acknowledging those of us who want to practice or honor Italian heritage without the religion. ☺️
I'm Italian and live in Italy. I don't strictly identify as Catholic but have a very special bond with the virgin mary and have a great interest in Italian folk magick so this video was really interesting and we'll thought through and hope to learn more about folk magick from you, thank you for this beautiful video☺️
Frankie, I love how you thoughtful and well researched and open you are. Very warm and all encompassing and welcoming energy 🥰
I am also a folk practitioner! Although Celtic not Italian and this is SO relatable! Thank you for talking about this.
Thank you so very much for this video. I have been watching your videos for a while now. I am the first born in this country of parents from the Dominican Republic and Calabria, Italy. i come from a line of curanderas (healer women) and folk traditions. I have been surrounded from both sides by Saints, Jesus, herbs, nature and ancient ancestor worship. As a Christo Pagan I have never had a problem combining the two as it is just very second nature to my family. Jesus is my Deity and the Earth and its creations as well as some gods and universal creatures are my friends. I may be a little different, but as a person of the Caribbean we have a mish mosh of spiritual beliefs and i think it is beautiful in the way i have formed my own. Thank you to all who allow and include all in which ever path they choose, for the real way of kindness is to learn from the diversity of others and know we all have a place, so long as we are all willing to learn from each other in love and light.
This was beautiful to read, thank you.
@@ChaoticWitchAunt You have been such a teacher to me and have made me feel so very welcome and included with your acceptance of our differences, our different paths, our different interpretations. Thank you so much for being someone who truly walks her talk. I am very humbled by the way that you speak your truth and as someone who has done this herself for a very long time and have always felt slightly alone in my path because of it, just having you even if online makes the world feel a little less lonely and a little less separated. As a Latina, I commend you for the many comments I have heard you say regarding different cultures and different belief systems from all across the world. You truly are a gift and I look forward to every post. I have told family members about you from the Caribbean, South America to Santa Domenica Talao, Calabria. Thank you for being an authentic light in this world that is constantly putting limitations on acceptance. 🥰 Thank you for YOU!
it's been so cool seeing you incorporate catholic elements into your practice!! this has been the biggest spiritual development of my year as well. really felt it when you said you couldn't put words to how the blending works because it feels like second nature. it was like i began to formally venerate my (irish!) ancestors and suddenly i could not get the hail mary out of my head. everything happened very quickly and naturally lol. would love to hear more if you care to share.
I am a hereditary witch that comes from a long line of German witches who were devout Catholics.
My GGGrandmother went to Mass multiple times a week, was raised in a convent for a time, also read tarot, had a Grimoire, and a buddha statue/incense burner.
"And before Paganism, there was my cat" is what I heard lmao
I was raised Catholic and still offer that as my 'religion' when I'm asked. I tell people that 'witchcraft' describes how I pray. I have never been blind to the problems with or integrations of Christianity with converted cultures. I appreciate this video and this channel greatly.
Thank you. It's just what I have been looking for as I have a school project about witches and I need good sources. Again thank you
As an ex Catholic, I always say that Catholicism prepared me for my current path as a witch. I was doing diety work a long time before I knew what that was. St. Anthony of Padua was so entirely powerful For me that literally anything I asked of him he gave me. So powerful one of my sons is named after him. And although I have left Catholicism this is quite the reminder for me that I can still call upon him. And perhaps it’s time to set up altar dedicated to him again (yes I had one beside my bed while Catholic) it is rather ironic to me as a pagan witch now to look back and see how much magick and diety work is threaded throughout Catholicism - and there is indeed power in their prayers and novenas - but I cannot bring myself to call upon their God nor immerse myself in their very damaging doctrine which kept me in an abusive marriage…. But you did describe how I look at the saints perfectly. Spirits, just like anything else. Thanks for the reminder and really perhaps this is a sign from the Universe to call upon the saints as I did before. Just with a little different understanding now.
Watching this video has been really great. I used to be christian, but when I started my witchcraft path, I thought I couldn't also be christian. This led me to be completely distanced from Christianity and my past experiences. I am now trying to research and bring more of my previous Christianity back into my life to coincide with my witchcraft. Thank you Frankie!
This is healing my heart. I used to be a christian and I railed hard against it because it messed with my mental health and threw out all my old tools. I've been wanting to reintroduce the real parts of it so I really appreciate this
I love when you said....that's between the practitioner and your God.
my family is from russia and because of that, it’s very hard for me to find information that doesn’t revolve around christianity/ russian catholicism. i think of the saints in the same way as you and it took me a long time to accept “using” aspects of my former religion and not the whole. love the video!!
As a Chrisian Witch, I wantted to thank you for talking about the combining of the Abrahamic faiths and witchcraft and the heated debate that comes with it. I've been practicing for about two to three years and I haven't found a lot of resources on Christain witchcraft or even Christopagan witchcraft.
Also thank yo for sharing more about your folk practice with us! I find italian folk magic very fascinating and I can't wait to hear more! :D
I'm a believer in Yeshua. Though the Bible did not specify what witchcraft is bad but it did say not to communicate with the dead. So I'm gonna go with that. Please let the dead rest in peace. Honestly, there is a reason why I'm turning away from the church because it doesn't really line up with neurodiversity. So that's why I'm a believer in Yeshua. Fun fact. The Phoenicians had a lot of interactions with Native Americans and the Celtic tribes.
Really I believe there is a connection between neurodiversity and witchcraft.
Thanks for a well thought-out video! You make some strong, good points, Frankie. My family is heavily Catholic and hails back to France, so I’d be very interested in hearing from others about good sources of info on French folk magic… and I’d be glad to see you do more videos on Christianity, witchcraft and folk magic.
Would you define the differences between worship and veneration?
I certy Sicilian and Calabrian Ancainly relate and agree with this video completely,I am a Sicilian/Calabrian-3rd. generation,A santero Priest of 37years,Ordained Spirtualist Minister for over 50 years,I use Catholic prayers in practices,I come from a long line of Praticioners of the "Old Ways,La Vecchia Religione on both my mother's side of the family from Sicily and my Father's side,both from Sicily and Calabria.Once again I enjoyed this video immensely,I shared it with many friends and family. Asa Benerica!
I really enjoyed hearing the way you view the God in Christianity and Catholicism. While my view isn't exactly the same, knowing that I wasn't alone in seeing some things the way I do helped.
I don't consider myself Christian, but I grew up very Christian, and as I started to adopt a more polytheistic view (I wouldn't currently consider myself a polytheist simply because I don't worship or engage with the gods) writing off this god as not real didn't sit right with me. The way I see it now, he's real and when I worshipped him and engaged with him I was given support and spiritual guidance and help through tough and troubled times, and that's valuable. That experience doesn't just go away. However, Christianity isn't the right practice for me, and I moved on. I'm still searching, but there are a few different things that I'm feeling called to so I'm currently doing some research as a way to get more familiar with the practice I'm considering.
I am a beginner and consider myself either a ChristoPagan/ Christian Witch/ whatever words that brings the two together!!! 😆
I was AMAZED to find that others were also on this path as well and that was actual content on the subject of bring them together!
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as a irish catholic folk practitioner this really resonated !!!!! thank you frankie
I'm so glad you made this video. I identify as Christian. But there is a lot about it's organization as a religion that irks me. The Bible being taken entirely outside of it's relevant historical context is one, the cherry picking some commandments and ignoring others is another, just to name a few. Anyway! When I was young I was drawn to witchy things, this was long before youtube and credible online content, and everything you could find on witchcraft was overly simplified Wiccan fads. I flip flopped thinking I had to choose one path or another, not really feeling satisfied with either. Fast forward to my mid-thirties and I am finally rediscovering my passion for "witchy" things and realizing that there CAN be room for both. I'm deeply drawn to herbalism and the energies of nature and it no longer feels blasphemous to believe such things are available for me to explore thanks to a Divine Creator. It's a strange path, of not fully fitting in anywhere in particular, but it is feeling like home. ❤️
Very well said, I am of the Nordic and Celtic heritage but my most recent ancestors were Catholic and I have a lot of respect for the Catholic saints. the program that saved My life, and that I work with is heavily influenced by Christianity and it drove me absolutely crazy for a very long time. But I started to realize that for me it doesn't have to be a war... I could even see myself as incorporating in my own rituals, some of the Catholic influences of the mother, Mary or the saints. This is actually really broad in my horizon and I think you for sharing this.
I am a male spiritual magician and I want to say thank you for your videos and your authenticity in your videos it really help me out a lot going through my path and growth within my path.
I'm an energy-worker/witch who is Christian-adjacent, and I appreciate you taking time on your platform to discuss this, because it is hard to talk about.
Holy Cannoli! Where has my head been?! I can't believe I just came across this video! Anyway, I absolutely loved it, Frankie!! As a fellow folk practitioner I align with your way of melding together the components of catholicism and folk practices. I chuckled to myself when you commented that your Nonna would never have labeled her practice "witchcraft" because my Baba and Bacie felt the same way! Thanks so much for sharing it with us!
Yasssssssssss thank you!! I’m a Christian Witch I’ve been practicing for 18 years . I was a witch first and a Christian second after being atheist most of my life. I don’t think people realize that you can be an atheist witch or you can be a Christian witch. I think the stereotype mostly comes from the very religious Pentecostals and strict denominations. The argument that scripture says witchcraft is bad comes down to the word necromancy which somehow was lumped in and translated to the world “witchcraft” over the translations and just eventually became part of the propaganda abs agenda to remove Christ from paganism and witchcraft. I also find that tarot cards have very ancient Catholic and Christian symbolism of which I don’t know if most witches realize and/or are educated on. The real history of the Tarot dates back to the 15th century and is an important part of Catholic history that was lost for centuries.
Great topic! Thank you for sharing! It’s interesting to take an anthropological lens to dominant power structures. A true-crime comedy podcast (last podcast on the left) pointed out that Catholicism is ceremonial magic and that changed my whole perspective, esp. since I was raised catholic but am not now.
My FAVORITE lens is the sociological & anthropological lens
Thank you for this video! I grew up catholic and I have always been according to my family “a little witchy”. As I grew up I kept asking the hard questions about the people running the religion, why we do things a certain way, who made the rules, and so on. This lead to some confrontation with higher ups and for me to not believe in the practices and people leading me and for me to start this journey. It has always felt kind of wrong for me to give up all of my Catholicism (also 9 years of catholic schooling that caused more trouble when you can put quite a priest but hey not my problem). Thank you for doing this video and showing this part of your practice. I love watching your videos and prospective and you should know how much good and just straight up awesomeness you give out to the world! Thank you again!
This is so interesting to me and also comforting. As someone who was always taught to stay away from magick and spellwork (growing up very Christian) it is refreshing to hear how both can work together side by side. I felt so lost as a beginner witch (and still do at times) because I don't have strong ties to my culture/feel removed from it (though I am trying to study the Norwegian side of my family) and my religious background. And so learning about folk Christianity as well as North American Folk Magick has become really important to me.
Thank you for making this and I can't wait to see more on this topic if you ever feel like filming more!
Spirituality is as personal and individual as someone's sexuality (imo). Anyone who thinks they have the authority to tell someone else what that "should" be or look like needs a hobby. Thank you for sharing. ♡
I'm a peagan slavic witch and in addition to my old gods I work with archangels. Good to know I'm not alone 😇🕊
also a pagan slavic witch who works with the old gods and an archangel!! definitely not alone!
Beautiful video. As someone who identifies as a Christian witch I found this inspiring. I'm fortunate to have a partner who is a Norse pagan who understands my practice and beliefs. I think pagans are awesome people and that we have a lot more in common than we think. Thank you for your inspiration ❤ Blessed be on your journey.
Thank you so much for sharing this. It has helped me so much, and I hope it reaches out to so many people. Just joined you as well 😊
My testimony, I petitioned St Jude, St Expedite and AA Michael plus other helpers, and they came through for me so many times. And recently in January we got a miracle healing answer for my Dad and brother from AA Michael and AA Raphael, we are so grateful for the answer to our prayers.
This has helped me greatly, and hope others get inspired as well to give it a try as we have Divine help available to see us through different situations. I had given up hope (Something specific I have been working on) as I hadn't received responses to the prayers I have been offering but now I see why I hadn't got answers. Thank you for helping me find my missing piece to the puzzle. The Universe guided me to watch this vid and I'm happy I listened. Best wishes to everyone. 🙏💖
Totally agree with you: prayers/spells/medication/blessings - all the same.
Here in the Appalachia we practice a Christian form of folk magick as well- Christian prayers are mixed in with a lot of pagan roots from Scotland, Ireland, and Germany. My mothers mom was Scottish. However, I also have Italian from Calabria from my grandfather so I have the best of worlds with my spirituality - everything you say aligns with what I believe ❤
These syncretisms have always been around. I find it sooo rich! I come from a catholic/spiritist family. But I have always been attracted by magic. The problem was that I kwew only the pagan wiccan-based traditions and never felt very confortable with them. In the web, it's the most abundant kind of practice.
Your video is a wave of fresh air. Thank you!
And harm thee none.if it don't hurt anyone personally or mentally then what ever belief makes you happy. Blessings 🖤
I truly feel this. My mother and grandmother were Christian however they practiced a lot of hoodoo rituals. Historically, like you said they practiced witchcraft and just didn't call it witchcraft ❤
That’s horrible. They have clearly never read the Bible. Sorcerers were stoned to death in the Old Testament.
I’m not a Christian witch by any means but this is incredibly enlightening!
Wonderful video!! I study demons/daemons, general necromantic rituals, various forms of Satanism/Luciferianism, Lovecraftian gnosis. But, I also have a large statue of Joan of Arc by my front door, plus a large painting (poster) of her on my family room wall. I have always loved her since I was a child. I do not knock anybody else's belief. I simply don't know enough!! The more I read, I realize the less I know. I am a bibliophile and have copies of Gutenburg, Catholic Vulgate, King James 1611 bibles, along with all types of occult works. Right now I don't have a belief system. But hearing what you have to say, I find this interesting. You have a great practice. KUDOS!!!
I was raised Christian and still am, but I’m also a practicing witch and I’m also glad I’ve found both paths. One thing that helped me find peace on this journey, is that often magic and religion are two sides of the same coin.
As a current catholic, this was a very interesting video. I was born catholic but left when I was in my early 20's and began a path of paganism, wicca, spiritualism and all things new age. I have returned to the catholic church now for about 12 years. Again though, I find myself drawn to my 'old ways' of new ages practices. Your video made me realise once again that the catholic faith is beautiful (which is why I went back to it). When I was a witch, I found it became a big 'effort' to prepare my spells or rituals. With catholic prayer, it is more simple. I have so many books but will look into purchasing the one you mentioned, "Treasury of Novena's". Thank you, it's funny how you have helped me, but you have. Blessings :)
I love your videos and the way you present information. Witch craft, vodou etc. have been enter twined with Catholicism for many many years.