The difference between Smith and Bolton is that Bolton was contracted for 4 more years. No option to threaten the draft, so Freo had to pay full price if they wanted Richmond to agree to his departure. Similarly for GC and Rioli.
@@TrueFootyAFL The bonus points should be for how hard-nosed our negotiation was knowing full well the Dogs couldn't afford to lose him for nothing. You still think Don Pyke is a good CEO..?
Fantastic assessment Jesse, I feel West Coast have been harshly judged, traded 2 senior Guns for Three mid aged mid to upper range players plus picks n smashed next years draft. In regards to Baker n Owies being out of contract and able to be gotten cheaper, that all depends on other clubs interest and their willingness to pay. 💙💛🦅🏆
As a Tigers fan, I'm very happy with our hand - we extracted maximum value as a selling club for players who wanted out (normally the selling club comes off second best). Yes we will struggle next and maybe the year after but remember we won 2 games this year with Bolton, Rioli, Baker and Graham. Even when Dimma inherited a 'worst than Fitzroy' list in 2010 that had a young Cotchin, Rance, Dusty, Edwards, Riewoldt, Grimes etc - it would take 6-7 years to win a premiership. If anything, this draft is about trying to build the next foundations for the next decade. 8 picks in the first 24 of one of the strongest drafts in recent years, we probably won't use them all and some may be traded to next year as well. We have 7-8 premiership players still on the list to help guide this young group as well which is a lot better than what we had when we did our last big rebuild back in 2010.
Yes, but a lot depends on whether you nail this draft - if you;do, you will probably get in contention in 4-5 years time, mess it up and it sets you back a decade.
Crows have done really well, brought 3 players in which make them better while still having a very high draft pick. That while their team is already good with even more potential. Really interested in what their ceiling is for next season. So much potential ready to materialise.
@@georgepappas4628 disagree regarding performance. Outside of recruiting, they’ve performed above expectation besides last year. Recruiting is what kept them down alongside what happened at the end of 2017. When you have a team with a mass exodus, poor recruiting and nobody wanting to play for your club, you can only do with what you got. I think they’ve done well at playing with the cards they were dealt with
@kdzdr rubbish about not attracting players. Jordan Dawson and Izak Rankin are 2 A graders you have attracted. Yes, the recruitment has been suspect at times, but the Crows have been massive underperformed in recent years.
@@georgepappas4628 two SA boys who wanted to come back to their home state and who they grew up supporting. That’s not attracting, that’s just how the cookie crumbled
As a Richmond fan, I'm cautiously optimistic for the future...but it will be tough going for 2-3 years. Hopefully we nail all, if not, most picks and come out the other side all the better for it
Thats whsa they dont say! They say tigers have gotten a huge boost with draft but you do have to nail the picks! Just coz a kid is pick 4 does not mean anything its what they do once they hit afl level! Tigers have not smashed anything YET! Same with every club hitting draft! Plenty of pick 1's have been duds! Good to see someone who no's what he is talking about! 👍
I reckon you undervalued Port getting back into this year's strong and deep draft with picks 13 and 29. Yes, they didn't break even for Houston and have another SANFL level player clogging their list now, but I would still rate them productive on balance.
Dons did get Melbourne’s future 1st in the trade I think they are trading back in at some stage . 28 and future 1st or 2nd is the most likely outcome .
If they don't get top 10 right now it's better to wait on Melbourne (Future 1st) because that pick is honestly going to be worth around (6th - 12th) unless the pendulum drastically swings so that Essendon get (1-5) or Melbourne's (13-18) if they seriously get back to premiership contenders.
I am happy with the Cats. They have Bailey Smith and Jack Martin to go a step further this year. More importantly, they have not sold any future picks.
@@dhenderson1810That is not the point. “They have Bailey Smith and Jack Martin to go a step further.” Step further only if Martin is finally fit for a whole season. Of course, he costs very little so not a big deal if he doesn’t get fit. Believe Bailey Smith’s ACL is a one time thing and he will have an Ashcroft like comeback. Believe there is not much doubt that he’ll be an absolute gun for you guys.
@@aussieobserver5430 Being 23 is a plus too. Loved getting in people like Danger and such, but thought that we should start looking at players from other clubs who are younger, and have done that with Bowes, Bruhn and now Bailey, to build a base for the next decade.
Even as opposition supporter, i've been a huge Bailey Smith fan and now I can love him even more. Geelong have absolutely smashed it with this one! The Dogs had to cave because otherwise they would've lost him for nothing. Geelong showed your Eagles how hard-nosed negotiations are done. Giving up pick 3 is poor. Give up the future 1st rnd, but not this. Saints getting Macrae for 45 is a steal in my opinion. And the Blues are stupid for letting Kennedy go for just 38. I agree with their supporters who think their club is run by incompetent idiots. They learned from the review about players not being resilient enough, getting injured too often, but out of all their small forwards the only one not to get injured this season is the one they traded out - INSANITY!!
As a tiges fan, this is my personal insight (doesn't matter but why not share right?). We've known from basically 2022 that Baker was gone at the end of his contract. Held out hope he'd sign on again of course, but the club (confirmed by Hartley) have essentially known he was leaving for a while. Bolton is a bit harder, but he's also an impact player. He's a game winner when you need one, but when you need a consistent performer just to stay in a game, he won't be that week in and week out, and that's not a player we "need" in a rebuild. To get 10 11 18 for essentially Baker and Bolton is a huge plus long term - short term it's obviously a loss DRioli hurts. Typical Richmond player, good skills, hard worker, and his family are in the blood of Richmond. The upside is we got well overs for a half-back. In a way it's close to double what port got for houston lmao. We cannot take more than 5 picks into this draft. The closest I've seen to that being a success is Carlton getting *3* stars (Weitering McKay and Curnow) in 1 draft. That's a far cry from 8... The first round hit rate is probably around 60%. Take your 3 mids, a KPF and then best available with the 5th pick, and trade 20 23 24 into next year. Maybe use a couple to get pick 2. I think the plus side of these players leaving is we now have to blood kids, and forget the dynasty. People worry about experience on the list, but when you're developing a new crop the experience needs (imo) to be more about work ethic and routine in the AFL system than only winning. Taranto and Hopper are perfect for that. Lynch is perfect for that. Vlastuin Broad Balta Short etc are perfect for that. As they grow, a winning culture will become infinitely more important, but right now those players need leaders that know how to work hard, to look for continuous improvement and be a professional. I think we've got that. I'm obviously going to be more optimistic than others, naturally because im a tiges fan... However, I think the way Hartley has dealt in the last couple months with all variables considered has been elite. Plus, if we can at least get something like 2 star mids, and 3 role players in this draft, and then have a top 2 pick next draft, we've hit the draft hard and well, and then it's about recruiting some mature age talent. It reminds me of how hawthorn have done it, but in a different way (i.e., Our former coach left sooner than Clarko, accelerating that process the hawks took after clarko)
As a rusted on Richmond man, I agree with everything you said except about how many picks we take into this draft. The top 20-25 in this draft are as good as most top 10's in a normal draft. Next year's draft will be highly compromised with 7 to 8 academy picks at the top end, as well as was referenced by Blair Hartley. So let's take all 8 and start the rebuild now so they come through together. Blair said if they get a crazy offer, they will consider it or package a couple of picks to get pick 2. We just got to nail our picks this year.
As a Geelong supporter I can tell you one of the things that Geelong does is to create an environment for their players to thrive (Work lifestyle as Bailey Smith said) and when that is done the player tends to become even better. Cameron has his own farm now (he grew up at Dartmoor) and he has gone to another level since. Just like Mannah we are looking at Henderson who was BOG for Werribee in their grand final win this year so we can still get quality late.
@@LomuHabana exactly. We always have a plan. I bet West Coast and Fremantle are itching to get Humphries back lol. But like tim kelly they never thrive as much after they leave Geelong.
@@badpsychosis Absolutely. That’s what differentiates you from the rest, that’s why you make the prelim 70% of the time. There is always a clear plan and a positive culture/environment which makes players thrive. Very admirable, Cats fan or not.
Because Richmond has one of the best draft hands of the decade Geelong basically just got given Bailey smith Fremantle are now premiership contender Hawthorne have one of the best defensive lines in the afl Gold Coast got great players and have a great future ahead of them Whereas crows just got 1 great to player but 2 great players
Yep, Barrass has gone from a 29 year old who never plays a full season to a star fullback of the competition that we Hawks fans could not do without. Goooo Hawks!!!!
You have to manage certain players! Tom will be rested a few times every season he playes! Against weaker teams you rest players cats have been doing it for years and thats why they have 6 of there very best well over 30 years of age that get rested through the year! We hawks will get 4 solid years from barra and 2 cups! Hawks are not stupid in the last 13 years we have won 3 cups same as tigers! And there ready for another dynasty! 🤎💛💪🏆🏆🏆🏆 next 10 years! See if im wrong!
@@glennwalker2996 It is hard to criticise the Hawks recruiting after last year's inclusions. D'Ambrosio, Ginnivan, Meek and Chol were all success stories. The difference is that we have paid a decent price for Barrass. He definitely fills a gap though, there is genuine depth across every line now. There will be very good players playing regular footy for Box Hill.
@@spindoctor6385 if hawks do what i believe they will do and thats win 2 cups with barra next 5 years id pay anything you want! And the trades we will get over next 5 years another 2 cups will come! Dont forget 13 of our best 18 are 23 and under so they all have 10 to 13 years left! But we will replace our few older players by trades over next 5 years! They lost to port by 1 kick to make prelim with no daisy mckenzie and frost! Won first final against dogs no daisy! And 13 players under 23! So round 1 next year you add to port loss daisy mckenzie frost battle barrass! Then ciss permanante forward weddle wing/mid and sams secret system and the stand out culture were the whole club is loving there time as hawks thats a serious team! They will win cup next year i bet my house on that! Imagine the amount of high talent trades wanting to come to hawks next 5 years!!! Our team on paper with age bracket should be bottom 4! Thats were everyone had us finishing bottom! This team is about to explode! 13 of our best are no were near there prime! 26 is when you hit your prime how good will they be then! We are going to be up top for the next decade 10 years! And 4 cups! This is the start of another dynasty its as clear as daylight if your honest and not bias! 🤎💛💪🏆🏆🏆🏆next 10 years
@@spindoctor6385 and we have mcabe same size as barra doing his apprentaship in 2nds a serious talent! And as you said some talent in seconds! So depth as well! We won cups 60s 70s 80s 90s 2000s 2100s is that a fluke or amazing luck or do hawks no the real secret to building powerhouse teams! I can say its no luck at all! Andy collins 80s cup player is a assistant coach for a reason! Its passing down the knolladge of alan jeans! Sam was under clarko and clarko was under john jennedy! So all the great coaches we have had there knolladge paased down! John kennedy alan jeans ckarko and now sam! We use our history and pass it down and keep that secret! No other club does this! Its no fluke its history passed down! And most important is our secret spys traveling the country looking for talent and watching all clubs seconds teams for talent! Like ambrossio! There the best and always will be! And other clubs come to us for coaches! 2016 dogs bevo was assitant to ckarko 2017 tigers dimma under ckarko 2018 eagles simpson assitant to clarko and sam as mid coach now lions under clarko and hodge helped! What does that say???? And sam was under clarko for his whole career he no's all the tradition trust me! He knows brown n gold inside out! 🤎💛
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West Coast are working on getting Warner 12 months from now, so they’ve done ok. Bulldogs are working on getting Petracca 12 months from now, so freeing up some cap space is part of the plan too. Think on it.
Going to the Dogs wouldn't do much for "Brand Petracca" but how much money will Collingwood have when Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Howe and Tom Mitchell retire at the end of 2025? Everyone wants to play for Collingwood
I think the Hawks are another one that is hard to judge until next season is over. With no guarantees that improvement is going to be linear and now next year's draft picks being tied to Carlton's performance this trade period could be total genius or just average. If Carlton's late season 2024 form continues through to 25 it could be brilliant. But if it goes the other way and Carlton rebound and the Hawks slide then the price they paid starts to look a bit big.
Yeah you're right - although unless the slide is significant either way, holding those picks is still better than not! I read WC requested Hawks picks over the Blues? Is that true?
@@TrueFootyAFL I don't know if that is true, I am glad the Hawks are backing themselves if it is, but I might have been more comfortable if they had given one of each, Carlton's first and Hawthorns second or the other way.
Tigers have done a great job. People are concerned about the senior players leaving. We won 2 games with all those guys playing most weeks, we may as well clean out and start over. Also they are all Flankers which are very replaceable We know we are going to be shit but at least we'll have talent now. We finished as the wooden spooner with not a single rising star last year, that is bleak. Also this isnt like the expansion teams cos we still have may more senior experience than those teams did. We have Taranto, Hopper, Short, Lynch, Prestia, Vlastuin, Balta, Broad, Nank etc. Who have all played together for years, where as expansion team senior guys never played together.
not tryna be biased but i want to say carltons trade period is in the smashed it category, when u consider how we just haggled our way to a pick 3 from nothing and only lost matt owies and kennedy, u also have to look at our age and depth. in terms of young players for the future of the club we are stacked. so yes we offloaded some age and experience but in reality our age and depth is still really quite up there, plus young guns from 21, 22, 23 and 24, working there way nicely into the side.
Exactly. Nothing against Jesse but he is probably a bit biased here as an Eagles fan. Owies was delisted anyways. And the departure of these two gives the club breathing space with regards to the salary cap. Lalor, FOS or Draper will add a hell lot from game 1. Talent is enormous, and on top of that a Lalor/Draper/FOS and the twins.
I get the feeling Carlton is going to trade out a massive name next season to get into next years draft. We have two massive signings to secure next year (Walsh & TDK) so for Cap reasons- I get the feeling they will bite the bullet and offer up a huge name.
Ya gotta be kidding right?! Kennedy is worth more than 38 and out all your small forwards who keep getting injured you traded the only one who didn't get injured all season!
West Coast have lost all leverage in this years draft to get some much needed high end talent into the club. They have payed a high price for Liam Baler. To not have a top 2 first round picks and Liam Baler for picks 3 and 26 will probably haunt them in years to come if Reid leaves after 3 years which is looking more likely.
No one can judge who won or lost as it's all hypothetical. For my team, Richmond, it had to do exactly what they had to do. If none of those players left, we would be mid table next year with a good run with injuries. Being in pergotory is the worst place to be. I believe Richmond will take all 8 of those picks into this strong draft as if you throw enough darts at a draft board, you're going to hit a few bull's-eyes
the richmond ranking relays heavily on the players that improved heavily in 2024 not improving further in 2025 however the likes of hugo ralphsmith josh gibcus ect will help from being absolute rock bottom, richmond still 3-4 years away from being competitive OfCourse
Yeah.Port had picks 36 and 54 before trade period so to get Lukious and Richards in plus picks 13 29 and 36 and 50 isn't that bad all things considering.On Atkins Port came bottom in the SANFL and desperately need some experience and leadership and both the crows and power have restrictions on players they can get outside their AFL lists to play for them...alot of players make a list and never play an AFL game so think Port just grabbed Atkins mainly to help the SANFL side and if need be through injury play in the AFL...its the only logical explanation as he is clearly not even close to best 23
I suspect Gold Coast pushed hard on Port taking Atkens' $400 - 450K last year of contract off their hands as a condition for releasing Lukosious for a single first round pick.
With the depth of better wing/flank options Port still has on it's list, it's hard to see Port having so much injury trouble that they need to bring Atkins into the AFL 23.
@@SalvatoreSpade Saying Big up to Jesse. Eagles had a horrible trade period imo giving up pick 3. Regardless I'll back my team and think the worst is behind
@@georgepappas4628 eagles are at least 10 years away from another flag. They may make finals in 5 years but they won't win the flag. The eagles still have a long way to go
I personally wouldn't put Geelong in the top bracket. But I am not a huge Bailey Smith fan. He will definitely improve their list and they didn't pay through the nose for him but he is not overly consistent and coming off an ACL can potentially take an edge off his biggest asset, his pace. Geelong don't make many mistakes though. Time will tell.
I agree baily is a solid b grade player! He is no dangerfield replacment that he seems to be! Then you have cameron there absolute match winning champion who are they going to replace him via trade with? Take dangerfield and cameron out were do you think they finish at end of seaaon? Id say 12th! Thats just 2 of there 6 stars well over 30! In the history of australian rules footy not 1 single club has stayed on top forever! There is 2 reasons cats are were there at! 1. The home ground advantage that no other vic club has and 2. There hanging onto there last decade champions that if you take out right now for next season they are bottom 6! And they seem to believe that they can just trade to replace them! It wont happen! As long as cameron and danger are fit and the other 4 or so aged srars they will be in top 8 but in a few years time its all over! And cats deep down no this but are trying to grab 1 more cup while those players are still there! But this cats era is only a few years from ending! And put pies in that group! Aged stars and trying to grab one more cup before it age hits them all!!
Depends on how confident you are in your teams form and Lukosius form - if Port finish 3rd-4th next year and Lukosios kicks 45 goals, it’s a pretty good move - anything less than that and yeh it’s pretty bad.
Stop calling the lesser players or younger players STEAK KNIVES have a bit of respect for players after all they give you something to do with your channel !
Was averaging 30 disposals a game as a mid, got played out of position and then fell out of form. Back in the Cats to get the best out of blokes, theyve turned around guys like Bowes and Bruhn from being fringe to best 22 players, Dempsey was a rookie draft kid and ended up winning Rising Star, Lawson Humphries was almost dead last in the Draft and had he played the whole year would have been close to the best Rookie in 2024, unbelievable pickup. Now imagine what they can do with Smith getting him focused, playing good footy in front of a fanatical Cats fanbase. They guy is gonna be a mainstay in Cats midfield next to Holmes for the next decade.
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The difference between Smith and Bolton is that Bolton was contracted for 4 more years. No option to threaten the draft, so Freo had to pay full price if they wanted Richmond to agree to his departure. Similarly for GC and Rioli.
Oh no doubt. But given the cost of Smith I still gave the Cats bonus points
Bolton will be everything Freo had hoped Michael Walters would be.
@@TrueFootyAFL The bonus points should be for how hard-nosed our negotiation was knowing full well the Dogs couldn't afford to lose him for nothing. You still think Don Pyke is a good CEO..?
Fantastic assessment Jesse, I feel West Coast have been harshly judged, traded 2 senior Guns for Three mid aged mid to upper range players plus picks n smashed next years draft.
In regards to Baker n Owies being out of contract and able to be gotten cheaper, that all depends on other clubs interest and their willingness to pay. 💙💛🦅🏆
As a Tigers fan, I'm very happy with our hand - we extracted maximum value as a selling club for players who wanted out (normally the selling club comes off second best). Yes we will struggle next and maybe the year after but remember we won 2 games this year with Bolton, Rioli, Baker and Graham. Even when Dimma inherited a 'worst than Fitzroy' list in 2010 that had a young Cotchin, Rance, Dusty, Edwards, Riewoldt, Grimes etc - it would take 6-7 years to win a premiership. If anything, this draft is about trying to build the next foundations for the next decade. 8 picks in the first 24 of one of the strongest drafts in recent years, we probably won't use them all and some may be traded to next year as well. We have 7-8 premiership players still on the list to help guide this young group as well which is a lot better than what we had when we did our last big rebuild back in 2010.
Yes, but a lot depends on whether you nail this draft - if you;do, you will probably get in contention in 4-5 years time, mess it up and it sets you back a decade.
i agree
Crows have done really well, brought 3 players in which make them better while still having a very high draft pick. That while their team is already good with even more potential. Really interested in what their ceiling is for next season. So much potential ready to materialise.
No more excuses for the Crows. It's been a long rebuild, and they have severely underperformed for a long while.
@@georgepappas4628 100%. If they miss finals next seasons it’s a massive failure.
@@georgepappas4628 disagree regarding performance. Outside of recruiting, they’ve performed above expectation besides last year. Recruiting is what kept them down alongside what happened at the end of 2017. When you have a team with a mass exodus, poor recruiting and nobody wanting to play for your club, you can only do with what you got. I think they’ve done well at playing with the cards they were dealt with
@kdzdr rubbish about not attracting players. Jordan Dawson and Izak Rankin are 2 A graders you have attracted. Yes, the recruitment has been suspect at times, but the Crows have been massive underperformed in recent years.
@@georgepappas4628 two SA boys who wanted to come back to their home state and who they grew up supporting. That’s not attracting, that’s just how the cookie crumbled
As a Richmond fan, I'm cautiously optimistic for the future...but it will be tough going for 2-3 years. Hopefully we nail all, if not, most picks and come out the other side all the better for it
Thats whsa they dont say! They say tigers have gotten a huge boost with draft but you do have to nail the picks! Just coz a kid is pick 4 does not mean anything its what they do once they hit afl level! Tigers have not smashed anything YET! Same with every club hitting draft! Plenty of pick 1's have been duds! Good to see someone who no's what he is talking about! 👍
As a North fan, I also wish the best for you, 2-3 year rebuild sounds like a dream
I reckon you undervalued Port getting back into this year's strong and deep draft with picks 13 and 29. Yes, they didn't break even for Houston and have another SANFL level player clogging their list now, but I would still rate them productive on balance.
Yeah I possibly did - fair take
Dons did get Melbourne’s future 1st in the trade I think they are trading back in at some stage . 28 and future 1st or 2nd is the most likely outcome .
If they don't get top 10 right now it's better to wait on Melbourne (Future 1st) because that pick is honestly going to be worth around (6th - 12th) unless the pendulum drastically swings so that Essendon get (1-5) or Melbourne's (13-18) if they seriously get back to premiership contenders.
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I am happy with the Cats. They have Bailey Smith and Jack Martin to go a step further this year. More importantly, they have not sold any future picks.
Jack Martin does have to be fit though, that has long been the issue. Just not reliable.
@@LomuHabana He is a free hit and cost us nothing.
@@dhenderson1810That is not the point. “They have Bailey Smith and Jack Martin to go a step further.” Step further only if Martin is finally fit for a whole season. Of course, he costs very little so not a big deal if he doesn’t get fit.
Believe Bailey Smith’s ACL is a one time thing and he will have an Ashcroft like comeback. Believe there is not much doubt that he’ll be an absolute gun for you guys.
@@aussieobserver5430 Being 23 is a plus too.
Loved getting in people like Danger and such, but thought that we should start looking at players from other clubs who are younger, and have done that with Bowes, Bruhn and now Bailey, to build a base for the next decade.
@@dhenderson1810 And I don't remember how we got Maxi, but he's becoming a real beast too.
Even as opposition supporter, i've been a huge Bailey Smith fan and now I can love him even more. Geelong have absolutely smashed it with this one! The Dogs had to cave because otherwise they would've lost him for nothing. Geelong showed your Eagles how hard-nosed negotiations are done. Giving up pick 3 is poor. Give up the future 1st rnd, but not this.
Saints getting Macrae for 45 is a steal in my opinion. And the Blues are stupid for letting Kennedy go for just 38. I agree with their supporters who think their club is run by incompetent idiots. They learned from the review about players not being resilient enough, getting injured too often, but out of all their small forwards the only one not to get injured this season is the one they traded out - INSANITY!!
As a tiges fan, this is my personal insight (doesn't matter but why not share right?).
We've known from basically 2022 that Baker was gone at the end of his contract. Held out hope he'd sign on again of course, but the club (confirmed by Hartley) have essentially known he was leaving for a while.
Bolton is a bit harder, but he's also an impact player. He's a game winner when you need one, but when you need a consistent performer just to stay in a game, he won't be that week in and week out, and that's not a player we "need" in a rebuild. To get 10 11 18 for essentially Baker and Bolton is a huge plus long term - short term it's obviously a loss
DRioli hurts. Typical Richmond player, good skills, hard worker, and his family are in the blood of Richmond. The upside is we got well overs for a half-back. In a way it's close to double what port got for houston lmao.
We cannot take more than 5 picks into this draft. The closest I've seen to that being a success is Carlton getting *3* stars (Weitering McKay and Curnow) in 1 draft. That's a far cry from 8... The first round hit rate is probably around 60%. Take your 3 mids, a KPF and then best available with the 5th pick, and trade 20 23 24 into next year. Maybe use a couple to get pick 2.
I think the plus side of these players leaving is we now have to blood kids, and forget the dynasty. People worry about experience on the list, but when you're developing a new crop the experience needs (imo) to be more about work ethic and routine in the AFL system than only winning. Taranto and Hopper are perfect for that. Lynch is perfect for that. Vlastuin Broad Balta Short etc are perfect for that. As they grow, a winning culture will become infinitely more important, but right now those players need leaders that know how to work hard, to look for continuous improvement and be a professional. I think we've got that.
I'm obviously going to be more optimistic than others, naturally because im a tiges fan... However, I think the way Hartley has dealt in the last couple months with all variables considered has been elite. Plus, if we can at least get something like 2 star mids, and 3 role players in this draft, and then have a top 2 pick next draft, we've hit the draft hard and well, and then it's about recruiting some mature age talent. It reminds me of how hawthorn have done it, but in a different way (i.e., Our former coach left sooner than Clarko, accelerating that process the hawks took after clarko)
As a rusted on Richmond man, I agree with everything you said except about how many picks we take into this draft. The top 20-25 in this draft are as good as most top 10's in a normal draft. Next year's draft will be highly compromised with 7 to 8 academy picks at the top end, as well as was referenced by Blair Hartley. So let's take all 8 and start the rebuild now so they come through together. Blair said if they get a crazy offer, they will consider it or package a couple of picks to get pick 2. We just got to nail our picks this year.
Yeah well said mate. My intention is never to talk Tigers fans out of their optimism - I am keen to see how they attack this draft for sure.
As a Geelong supporter I can tell you one of the things that Geelong does is to create an environment for their players to thrive (Work lifestyle as Bailey Smith said) and when that is done the player tends to become even better.
Cameron has his own farm now (he grew up at Dartmoor) and he has gone to another level since.
Just like Mannah we are looking at Henderson who was BOG for Werribee in their grand final win this year so we can still get quality late.
Cats always know how to recruit without high draft picks. Humphries was pick 63!
@@LomuHabana exactly. We always have a plan. I bet West Coast and Fremantle are itching to get Humphries back lol.
But like tim kelly they never thrive as much after they leave Geelong.
@@badpsychosis Absolutely. That’s what differentiates you from the rest, that’s why you make the prelim 70% of the time. There is always a clear plan and a positive culture/environment which makes players thrive. Very admirable, Cats fan or not.
@@LomuHabana Which begs the Qn: Why didn't West Coast pick him up?? It's their backyard, right?!
@@MusiCatsKing Probably for the same reason they have been sh*t for years? Bad management/recruitment.
My rating
1.Richmond
2.Geelong
3.Fremantle
4. Hawthorne
5. Gold Coast
6. Crows
7. Collingwood
8.Carlton
9. GWS
10.North Melbourne
11.Port
12. West coast eagles
13. Melbourne
14. Western bulldogs
15. Brisbane lions
16 Sydney swans
17. Essadon
18. St kilda
How u putting crows at 6? They are a lock for top 3
@@tomsmart1364trading for spuds
Because Richmond has one of the best draft hands of the decade
Geelong basically just got given Bailey smith
Fremantle are now premiership contender
Hawthorne have one of the best defensive lines in the afl
Gold Coast got great players and have a great future ahead of them
Whereas crows just got 1 great to player but 2 great players
Yep, Barrass has gone from a 29 year old who never plays a full season to a star fullback of the competition that we Hawks fans could not do without.
Goooo Hawks!!!!
Just like Liam Baker is no longer a small utility with no hurt factor, he’s an a grader again woo!
You have to manage certain players! Tom will be rested a few times every season he playes! Against weaker teams you rest players cats have been doing it for years and thats why they have 6 of there very best well over 30 years of age that get rested through the year! We hawks will get 4 solid years from barra and 2 cups! Hawks are not stupid in the last 13 years we have won 3 cups same as tigers! And there ready for another dynasty! 🤎💛💪🏆🏆🏆🏆 next 10 years! See if im wrong!
@@glennwalker2996 It is hard to criticise the Hawks recruiting after last year's inclusions. D'Ambrosio, Ginnivan, Meek and Chol were all success stories. The difference is that we have paid a decent price for Barrass. He definitely fills a gap though, there is genuine depth across every line now. There will be very good players playing regular footy for Box Hill.
@@spindoctor6385 if hawks do what i believe they will do and thats win 2 cups with barra next 5 years id pay anything you want! And the trades we will get over next 5 years another 2 cups will come! Dont forget 13 of our best 18 are 23 and under so they all have 10 to 13 years left! But we will replace our few older players by trades over next 5 years! They lost to port by 1 kick to make prelim with no daisy mckenzie and frost! Won first final against dogs no daisy! And 13 players under 23! So round 1 next year you add to port loss daisy mckenzie frost battle barrass! Then ciss permanante forward weddle wing/mid and sams secret system and the stand out culture were the whole club is loving there time as hawks thats a serious team! They will win cup next year i bet my house on that! Imagine the amount of high talent trades wanting to come to hawks next 5 years!!! Our team on paper with age bracket should be bottom 4! Thats were everyone had us finishing bottom! This team is about to explode! 13 of our best are no were near there prime! 26 is when you hit your prime how good will they be then! We are going to be up top for the next decade 10 years! And 4 cups! This is the start of another dynasty its as clear as daylight if your honest and not bias! 🤎💛💪🏆🏆🏆🏆next 10 years
@@spindoctor6385 and we have mcabe same size as barra doing his apprentaship in 2nds a serious talent! And as you said some talent in seconds! So depth as well! We won cups 60s 70s 80s 90s 2000s 2100s is that a fluke or amazing luck or do hawks no the real secret to building powerhouse teams! I can say its no luck at all! Andy collins 80s cup player is a assistant coach for a reason! Its passing down the knolladge of alan jeans! Sam was under clarko and clarko was under john jennedy! So all the great coaches we have had there knolladge paased down! John kennedy alan jeans ckarko and now sam! We use our history and pass it down and keep that secret! No other club does this! Its no fluke its history passed down! And most important is our secret spys traveling the country looking for talent and watching all clubs seconds teams for talent! Like ambrossio! There the best and always will be! And other clubs come to us for coaches! 2016 dogs bevo was assitant to ckarko 2017 tigers dimma under ckarko 2018 eagles simpson assitant to clarko and sam as mid coach now lions under clarko and hodge helped! What does that say???? And sam was under clarko for his whole career he no's all the tradition trust me! He knows brown n gold inside out! 🤎💛
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West Coast are working on getting Warner 12 months from now, so they’ve done ok. Bulldogs are working on getting Petracca 12 months from now, so freeing up some cap space is part of the plan too. Think on it.
But if Warner stays at Sydney or signs with Fremantle, you gave up a lot for nothing.
Petracca to the Dogs would be wild!
Going to the Dogs wouldn't do much for "Brand Petracca" but how much money will Collingwood have when Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Howe and Tom Mitchell retire at the end of 2025? Everyone wants to play for Collingwood
Port were told by GC of they want pick 29 they have to take Atkins as a salary dump by GC
I think the Hawks are another one that is hard to judge until next season is over. With no guarantees that improvement is going to be linear and now next year's draft picks being tied to Carlton's performance this trade period could be total genius or just average.
If Carlton's late season 2024 form continues through to 25 it could be brilliant. But if it goes the other way and Carlton rebound and the Hawks slide then the price they paid starts to look a bit big.
Yeah you're right - although unless the slide is significant either way, holding those picks is still better than not! I read WC requested Hawks picks over the Blues? Is that true?
@@TrueFootyAFL I don't know if that is true, I am glad the Hawks are backing themselves if it is, but I might have been more comfortable if they had given one of each, Carlton's first and Hawthorns second or the other way.
Tigers have done a great job. People are concerned about the senior players leaving. We won 2 games with all those guys playing most weeks, we may as well clean out and start over. Also they are all Flankers which are very replaceable
We know we are going to be shit but at least we'll have talent now. We finished as the wooden spooner with not a single rising star last year, that is bleak.
Also this isnt like the expansion teams cos we still have may more senior experience than those teams did. We have Taranto, Hopper, Short, Lynch, Prestia, Vlastuin, Balta, Broad, Nank etc. Who have all played together for years, where as expansion team senior guys never played together.
I thought West coast should have signed matt Kennedy as well as owies for pick 3
Didn't want to leave Victoria sadly!
not tryna be biased but i want to say carltons trade period is in the smashed it category, when u consider how we just haggled our way to a pick 3 from nothing and only lost matt owies and kennedy, u also have to look at our age and depth. in terms of young players for the future of the club we are stacked. so yes we offloaded some age and experience but in reality our age and depth is still really quite up there, plus young guns from 21, 22, 23 and 24, working there way nicely into the side.
Exactly. Nothing against Jesse but he is probably a bit biased here as an Eagles fan.
Owies was delisted anyways. And the departure of these two gives the club breathing space with regards to the salary cap. Lalor, FOS or Draper will add a hell lot from game 1. Talent is enormous, and on top of that a Lalor/Draper/FOS and the twins.
@@liamireland1974 Whenever Cats played the Blues, Owies always hurt us. Carlton will need to find that 30 goal per year small forward to replace him.
I get the feeling Carlton is going to trade out a massive name next season to get into next years draft. We have two massive signings to secure next year (Walsh & TDK) so for Cap reasons- I get the feeling they will bite the bullet and offer up a huge name.
Ya gotta be kidding right?! Kennedy is worth more than 38 and out all your small forwards who keep getting injured you traded the only one who didn't get injured all season!
@@naomigulic5753TDK's coming over. 😺😺
West Coast have lost all leverage in this years draft to get some much needed high end talent into the club. They have payed a high price for Liam Baler. To not have a top 2 first round picks and Liam Baler for picks 3 and 26 will probably haunt them in years to come if Reid leaves after 3 years which is looking more likely.
God willing pick 4 is high enough to land Sid Draper.
No one can judge who won or lost as it's all hypothetical. For my team, Richmond, it had to do exactly what they had to do. If none of those players left, we would be mid table next year with a good run with injuries. Being in pergotory is the worst place to be. I believe Richmond will take all 8 of those picks into this strong draft as if you throw enough darts at a draft board, you're going to hit a few bull's-eyes
I support carlton hoped we would take 12 and 14 to draft.
Port power didn’t do as well a I would have liked I would have hoped for more for Dan houston
the richmond ranking relays heavily on the players that improved heavily in 2024 not improving further in 2025 however the likes of hugo ralphsmith josh gibcus ect will help from being absolute rock bottom, richmond still 3-4 years away from being competitive OfCourse
Yeah.Port had picks 36 and 54 before trade period so to get Lukious and Richards in plus picks 13 29 and 36 and 50 isn't that bad all things considering.On Atkins Port came bottom in the SANFL and desperately need some experience and leadership and both the crows and power have restrictions on players they can get outside their AFL lists to play for them...alot of players make a list and never play an AFL game so think Port just grabbed Atkins mainly to help the SANFL side and if need be through injury play in the AFL...its the only logical explanation as he is clearly not even close to best 23
I suspect Gold Coast pushed hard on Port taking Atkens' $400 - 450K last year of contract off their hands as a condition for releasing Lukosious for a single first round pick.
With the depth of better wing/flank options Port still has on it's list, it's hard to see Port having so much injury trouble that they need to bring Atkins into the AFL 23.
Hawthorn traded themselves out of this year and next year's drafts, though.
I’d swap Adelaide with Fremantle
Big up Jesse Carn the eagles
Big up? You lost pick 3 for 2 players you guys could have gotten for free 😂😂😂. It has to be worse then the Kelly trade 😂
Richmond will win another premiership before WC do, you can take it to the bank.
@@SalvatoreSpade Saying Big up to Jesse. Eagles had a horrible trade period imo giving up pick 3. Regardless I'll back my team and think the worst is behind
@@georgepappas4628 eagles are at least 10 years away from another flag. They may make finals in 5 years but they won't win the flag. The eagles still have a long way to go
@@georgepappas4628 Mate Richmond will win the next 4 spoons but maybe after that they might.
I personally wouldn't put Geelong in the top bracket. But I am not a huge Bailey Smith fan. He will definitely improve their list and they didn't pay through the nose for him but he is not overly consistent and coming off an ACL can potentially take an edge off his biggest asset, his pace.
Geelong don't make many mistakes though. Time will tell.
I agree baily is a solid b grade player! He is no dangerfield replacment that he seems to be! Then you have cameron there absolute match winning champion who are they going to replace him via trade with? Take dangerfield and cameron out were do you think they finish at end of seaaon? Id say 12th! Thats just 2 of there 6 stars well over 30! In the history of australian rules footy not 1 single club has stayed on top forever! There is 2 reasons cats are were there at! 1. The home ground advantage that no other vic club has and 2. There hanging onto there last decade champions that if you take out right now for next season they are bottom 6! And they seem to believe that they can just trade to replace them! It wont happen! As long as cameron and danger are fit and the other 4 or so aged srars they will be in top 8 but in a few years time its all over! And cats deep down no this but are trying to grab 1 more cup while those players are still there! But this cats era is only a few years from ending! And put pies in that group! Aged stars and trying to grab one more cup before it age hits them all!!
Lukosius for future first is bad.
Depends on how confident you are in your teams form and Lukosius form - if Port finish 3rd-4th next year and Lukosios kicks 45 goals, it’s a pretty good move - anything less than that and yeh it’s pretty bad.
BOLTON!!!!!!
richmond basically have to hope they get sheezel, nick daicos and harley reid calibre players to make there trade period work
They may very well swap picks for Nth Melb to get pick 2. If you have picks 1,2 and 6 in a very strong draft, it’s actually pretty hard to stuff up.
Unless they have to trade 6 in the deal for 2
Not gws that’s for sure
Campo ree ahli
Stop calling the lesser players or younger players STEAK KNIVES have a bit of respect for players after all they give you something to do with your channel !
Smith overrated imo.
Was averaging 30 disposals a game as a mid, got played out of position and then fell out of form.
Back in the Cats to get the best out of blokes, theyve turned around guys like Bowes and Bruhn from being fringe to best 22 players, Dempsey was a rookie draft kid and ended up winning Rising Star, Lawson Humphries was almost dead last in the Draft and had he played the whole year would have been close to the best Rookie in 2024, unbelievable pickup.
Now imagine what they can do with Smith getting him focused, playing good footy in front of a fanatical Cats fanbase. They guy is gonna be a mainstay in Cats midfield next to Holmes for the next decade.