@@Trashed20659 I'm not sure, the EV's dark pollution and waste secrets are growing more visible everyday. Their cost reflects the energy needed to make them, and there's no re-use or recycle plan.
I respect your logic and decision. I think the wise thing to do would be to still have your old ICE vehicle as a backup. For long trips that require charging, you could use the ICE car. That way you would get rid of the frustrations with public charging.
Wait … you drove a VW? My “guess” as to why you had a “bad” experience is that you got Volkswagens “free charging” for 2 years deal. I’ve run into a lot of VW & Porsche owners who did this. So instead of installing a home charger (super convenient and cheap) … they ONLY ever charged at the free Electrify America sites … which is both inconvenient and time consuming - hence your experience. I’ve stopped to charge at Electrify America and talked to people who live within a mile … and own a home. But they refuse to install a charger at home because “Electrify America is free”. Since it doesn’t sound like you had a “normal” EV ownership experience … let me share what that’s like (I have two EV’s and no longer have an ICE vehicle). 1) I had to get a home charger installed … it was a bit confusing as I hadn’t done it before (big learning experience) but I managed. 2) I signed up for an EV charging rate plan with my electric utility that lets me buy energy for EV charging during off-peak hours (during the night) where I pay 11¢/kWh (normal rate is 16¢/kWh). 3) When I arrive home, I pull into the garage, plug-in, and walk away. The car takes care of itself and will be fully ready to go the next time I need it. I plug in EVERY TIME I arrive home (not just once or twice a week). What I DO NOT DO … is spend ANY time “waiting” for my car to charge. I plug in and walk away … and get on with my life. I spend substantially less time waiting for my EV to charge than people with ICE cars spend filling up with gas. Because filling with gas requires a “special stop” and for most people that’s at least once per week if not more. A typical EV owners almost never has to go out of their way to recharge. It would be “as if” you owned your own gas pump at home and every time you arrived home, someone filled up your tank so that every morning you come out to the car and find it has a full tank of gas. In this scenario … would you really care where the gas stations are located? You’d NEVER need to stop at one because you’d never be able to go through an entire tank in a day of normal use. THAT is what it is like to own an EV with home charging. You also pay less … a LOT less. I don’t have a fantastic electric rate. I know a lot of people who pay less than me. But even at my 11¢/kWh rate … it’s the equivalent of paying about $1/gallon for gas. The car needs about 9 kWh to drive 25 miles (about the same distance the average car gets on one gallon of gas). If you don’t live in a location where you can charge at home … then I’d re-think EV ownership because the experience is completely different (and not as cheap and not nearly as convenient). But if you CAN charge at home … it’s vastly better than owning an ICE car. It is pretty much THE reason why most EV owners say they’ll never go back to gas.
Thank you for your thoughtful comment. You inspired me to look up my most recent electricity bill. My recent home electricity bill was 55 cents per kWh. I'm in San Diego County and it has the highest cost of energy in the country. I also live an a semi-rural setting, which means I'm at least a 30 minute drive from many amenities. Californians are also gouged on gas, so I guess either form of energy is pricey. You are correct about electrify America, I was compelled by free charging to use their stations, however, I did slow charge at home. The problem for me was that I would have to go to neighboring counties and drive all day for work. This would necessitate public charging due to the distance and SoCal traffic. Sounds like you are doing EV right. Also, Tesla owners love to blast me for not taking advantage of the Tesla charging network. I have a 2025 Camry and it gets over 53 miles per gallon, even with hills, rapid acceleration, and freeway driving over 70 MPH. I must say Toyota's new hybrid tech is very fuel efficient.
Good for you to try. I guess it depends on what area you live in. We have a Tesla Model 3 and a Model Y, and we normally home charge for a really cheap rate. For trips on the East Coast of the US, there are Superchargers everywhere. The only place that was a bit of a struggle was NYC because I had to go out of my way for the few days I was up there. I can't see myself going back to gas, although I still own an F150.
Nah, I'll judge before I hear you. You're a HERO. I did listen and you basically nailed as to why I won't buy an EV. Maybe in a few years their time will come but the EV's available now are basically the model T's of the new technology, they are still in early development. If and when they can sort all the problems I will be the first in line but that means it has to be affordable too.
@@Rexbilly9819 Sadly reality is vastly different than Ambitions, Aspirations and Dreams the Left has. If the EV was better than than the old tried and true Mechanical engine cars....People would Organically be rushing out to get rid of their problematic stinky noisy gas guzzeling cars.......BUT THEY ARE NOT! hummm wonder why.
@@ForagerTaxin Austria lots of people have EVs, all electricity comes from renewables, travel distances are way smaller than in the u.s., there is no motor tax and you can insure a 400hp ev for 40 euro a month. Insuring a gas car with such power would cost 700 euros a month. So, i think its fairly safe to say that we have in fact figured it out mostly. There are still very few evs that can be considered a good all-around car but battery tech is evolving rapidly.
@@weredrivinghere I define 'figured it out' as when there are as many charging stations as gas stations and charging takes the same amount of time as filling up. I've been in Europe the last 3 summers and I've had a rental car each time. Some of these engines are so fuel efficient, it makes the hassle of switching to the EV world less appealing. At home in California I drive a 2025 Toyota Camry, which is a hybrid, and I have been getting 53 miles per gallon (on hills and driving fast). It also has EV mode for short distances. It's really the best of both worlds. The convenience of gas but with excellent fuel economy and low emissions. I think Toyota's new hybrid tech is the cutting edge of non-idealistic forward-thinking. Thank you for your comment.
Its not like ICE don't depreciate a lot in the first three years. Confused how much you are driving. For most commuters EVs have plenty of range. Between the 80 and 20 % charging range a Tesla will get 200 miles.
There is no comparison, EV's depreciate faster than ICE cars. This is widely known. On a separate anecdotal note, I sold my Chevy Silverado for more money than I paid for it after 3 years of ownership. Now I'm in a 2025 Camry hybrid and it's the best of both worlds. The thought of returning to an EV makes me cringe.
@@ForagerTax The jury is out on that. New EVs costs have been decreasing as new ICEs costs have been increasing. That affects the resale market greatly. We need to see the effects when all the government subsidies are removed from EVs. That will be a better comparison of long term depreciation.
@DonaldMains, I drive about 10, 000 miles a year. What is the most financial \ cheapest way in my own personal vehicle to accomplish the same task. Let me help you out .....its NOT in an EV. An older Used car even at 10 mpg is still way more economical than any EV, new or used.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience with your VW ID. VW's EV's have had too many software issues, poor technical support, plus you have to charge on very unreliable charging networks while you're on the road. This is why Tesla still doesn't have any competition!
You might be right. Although, I often see the Tesla charging stations are full - plus cars waiting in queue. I still have a deposit on a cyber truck placed in 2019, so I may end up with a Tesla someday.
Did my homework, bought an Ioniq 5 (3rd year) so it's a proven platform. VW hasn't got it right yet, so I avoided that model. Like most EV drivers I am ecstatic, and can't imagine going back to burning stuff. This guy has a good reason to complain, but don't take his experience as average, because it isn't. Charging at home is fantastic! The savings in gas and maintenance too, but do your research! I know of Ford F-150 drivers who swear they will never convert, yet they seem okay with their company putting them behind the wheel of a lightning, which saves that company the a fore mentioned costs. They have come down to a price right near the ICE version, so it would be stupid not to consider them as a fleet buyer.
Congratulations on your car purchase. I remember when I was ecstatic and felt more evolved than the gas guzzlers. Now I cringe a the thought of an EV. Everyone's different and it may be a fit for you. I wish you the best!.
I don’t fault you for your choice. We’re still in the early years of EV development. With Ford now changing over to the Tesla style connector, hopefully some of the charging woes will get better. As far as cost, I commute 50miles round trip. My former ice car cost $60-70 per fill up since it required premium fuel. My EV cost me $35 per month. I do hope that you are happy with your new car. For if you’re not happy with a car the rest won’t matter. I hope enough is the issues will be resolved in the next 5-10 years that you may be encouraged to try an EV again. Safe travels.
EV is an old and outdated solution. ICE is high-tech. Why do you think Turkey, Vietnam and all kinds of no-name Chinese Brands are flooding the market with garbage EVs now. You've been brainwashed.
If you cannot afford a couple of vehicles, you cannot have an EV as your one and only car... Besides, you didnt get the real one... 96% of TESLA owners won't return to ICE vehicles for good... It happened that you are poor and also bought a crapy EV... sorry.
Few people have the luxury of owning a backup ICE car just because EVs are highly inconvenient. I made this video 16 month ago and in the meantime I have seen a huge trend in EV drivers returning to ICE, including Tesla owners. My aversion to EVs is not stemmed in financial scarcity. EVs may be for you, but I'm staying with ICE for good.
@@ForagerTaxvolkswagen evs suck afaik. And deprecation of all EVs is indeed much quicker, here in Austria companies are allowed to “depreciate” them at 30% per year. Still, I think it really matters where you live and where you drive. For me personally, switching from a 20 year old diesel bmw to a 3 year old tesla might actually make sense financially, since there is no motor tax and insurance would be dirt cheap - and even the most reliable bmw engine is not very cheap to maintain. But, I don’t have a home charger, and I’m already filling up my diesel car with HVO which means I’ve already reduced my co2 emissions very significantly. I personally don’t need to drive every day and an EV would actually be quite convenient but I’d have to keep the same ev for at least five years for it to make financial sense, and probably even more for it to result in co2 savings. Still, when someone is buying a new ICE, they commit to 3-4x lifetime co2 emissions in the States, and 8-10x co2 emissions here in Austria where all electricity comes from renewals. It would have been nice if you mentioned that tradeoff for your convenience in the video, otherwise it sounds like oil mafia propaganda.
@@weredrivinghere haha, not meant to be propaganda. I drove past a (non-tesla) charging station at Walmart yesterday and it was completely full with a wait. And it's not like a gas station where people will be there for 5-10 minutes. The thought of playing that game again gives me anxiety. So this video was more about practicality and convenience. That said, I don't know if renewables are sufficient to foster EV and phase out ICEs en-masse. I think nuclear power is needed to create electricity to meet such a high demand. In California there is a push to phase out EV, but we are also told to moderate electricity consumption during the summer. We get emergency text alerts and even occasional outages due to demand exceeding supply. The phase out will not work unless something radically changes.
Welcome back.
It's only temporary, pal.
@@Trashed20659 I'm not sure, the EV's dark pollution and waste secrets are growing more visible everyday. Their cost reflects the energy needed to make them, and there's no re-use or recycle plan.
I respect your logic and decision. I think the wise thing to do would be to still have your old ICE vehicle as a backup. For long trips that require charging, you could use the ICE car. That way you would get rid of the frustrations with public charging.
I have a 2019 tesla model 3 performance awd long range and sold it for a toyota rav4 hybrid im so happy
Funny you say that, I picked up a '25 Camry and get 50+ MPG. I couldn't be happier. Welcome back to convenience and peace of mind.
This is the way!
Wait … you drove a VW? My “guess” as to why you had a “bad” experience is that you got Volkswagens “free charging” for 2 years deal. I’ve run into a lot of VW & Porsche owners who did this. So instead of installing a home charger (super convenient and cheap) … they ONLY ever charged at the free Electrify America sites … which is both inconvenient and time consuming - hence your experience. I’ve stopped to charge at Electrify America and talked to people who live within a mile … and own a home. But they refuse to install a charger at home because “Electrify America is free”.
Since it doesn’t sound like you had a “normal” EV ownership experience … let me share what that’s like (I have two EV’s and no longer have an ICE vehicle).
1) I had to get a home charger installed … it was a bit confusing as I hadn’t done it before (big learning experience) but I managed.
2) I signed up for an EV charging rate plan with my electric utility that lets me buy energy for EV charging during off-peak hours (during the night) where I pay 11¢/kWh (normal rate is 16¢/kWh).
3) When I arrive home, I pull into the garage, plug-in, and walk away. The car takes care of itself and will be fully ready to go the next time I need it. I plug in EVERY TIME I arrive home (not just once or twice a week).
What I DO NOT DO … is spend ANY time “waiting” for my car to charge. I plug in and walk away … and get on with my life. I spend substantially less time waiting for my EV to charge than people with ICE cars spend filling up with gas. Because filling with gas requires a “special stop” and for most people that’s at least once per week if not more. A typical EV owners almost never has to go out of their way to recharge.
It would be “as if” you owned your own gas pump at home and every time you arrived home, someone filled up your tank so that every morning you come out to the car and find it has a full tank of gas. In this scenario … would you really care where the gas stations are located? You’d NEVER need to stop at one because you’d never be able to go through an entire tank in a day of normal use. THAT is what it is like to own an EV with home charging.
You also pay less … a LOT less. I don’t have a fantastic electric rate. I know a lot of people who pay less than me. But even at my 11¢/kWh rate … it’s the equivalent of paying about $1/gallon for gas. The car needs about 9 kWh to drive 25 miles (about the same distance the average car gets on one gallon of gas).
If you don’t live in a location where you can charge at home … then I’d re-think EV ownership because the experience is completely different (and not as cheap and not nearly as convenient). But if you CAN charge at home … it’s vastly better than owning an ICE car. It is pretty much THE reason why most EV owners say they’ll never go back to gas.
Thank you for your thoughtful comment. You inspired me to look up my most recent electricity bill. My recent home electricity bill was 55 cents per kWh. I'm in San Diego County and it has the highest cost of energy in the country. I also live an a semi-rural setting, which means I'm at least a 30 minute drive from many amenities. Californians are also gouged on gas, so I guess either form of energy is pricey.
You are correct about electrify America, I was compelled by free charging to use their stations, however, I did slow charge at home. The problem for me was that I would have to go to neighboring counties and drive all day for work. This would necessitate public charging due to the distance and SoCal traffic.
Sounds like you are doing EV right.
Also, Tesla owners love to blast me for not taking advantage of the Tesla charging network.
I have a 2025 Camry and it gets over 53 miles per gallon, even with hills, rapid acceleration, and freeway driving over 70 MPH. I must say Toyota's new hybrid tech is very fuel efficient.
Tell the feds to LEAVE my ICE alone!!!!
Good for you to try. I guess it depends on what area you live in. We have a Tesla Model 3 and a Model Y, and we normally home charge for a really cheap rate. For trips on the East Coast of the US, there are Superchargers everywhere. The only place that was a bit of a struggle was NYC because I had to go out of my way for the few days I was up there. I can't see myself going back to gas, although I still own an F150.
Nah, I'll judge before I hear you.
You're a HERO.
I did listen and you basically nailed as to why I won't buy an EV.
Maybe in a few years their time will come but the EV's available now are basically the model T's of the new technology, they are still in early development.
If and when they can sort all the problems I will be the first in line but that means it has to be affordable too.
Haha. Your assessment is 100% accurate.
The model T was better than the horse and likewise electric cars are better than mechanical cars.
@@Rexbilly9819 Sadly reality is vastly different than Ambitions, Aspirations and Dreams the Left has. If the EV was better than than the old tried and true Mechanical engine cars....People would Organically be rushing out to get rid of their problematic stinky noisy gas guzzeling cars.......BUT THEY ARE NOT! hummm wonder why.
Ok. Sooner or later we all get cheap/ free daytime solar at home plus free charging at work. Until then, enjoy the gas station 😉
This is the US 9 hr flight from Europe.Europe is different over 400 million people and a totally different infrastructure.
And even Europe is unrealistic about EV. It's highly impractical in its current state. Nowhere has it figured out yet.
@@ForagerTaxin Austria lots of people have EVs, all electricity comes from renewables, travel distances are way smaller than in the u.s., there is no motor tax and you can insure a 400hp ev for 40 euro a month. Insuring a gas car with such power would cost 700 euros a month. So, i think its fairly safe to say that we have in fact figured it out mostly. There are still very few evs that can be considered a good all-around car but battery tech is evolving rapidly.
@@weredrivinghere I define 'figured it out' as when there are as many charging stations as gas stations and charging takes the same amount of time as filling up. I've been in Europe the last 3 summers and I've had a rental car each time. Some of these engines are so fuel efficient, it makes the hassle of switching to the EV world less appealing. At home in California I drive a 2025 Toyota Camry, which is a hybrid, and I have been getting 53 miles per gallon (on hills and driving fast). It also has EV mode for short distances. It's really the best of both worlds. The convenience of gas but with excellent fuel economy and low emissions. I think Toyota's new hybrid tech is the cutting edge of non-idealistic forward-thinking. Thank you for your comment.
P.lug-in is the way to go currently if you love EVs
EVs and environment in one sentence 🤣🤣🤣
Its not like ICE don't depreciate a lot in the first three years. Confused how much you are driving. For most commuters EVs have plenty of range. Between the 80 and 20 % charging range a Tesla will get 200 miles.
There is no comparison, EV's depreciate faster than ICE cars. This is widely known. On a separate anecdotal note, I sold my Chevy Silverado for more money than I paid for it after 3 years of ownership. Now I'm in a 2025 Camry hybrid and it's the best of both worlds. The thought of returning to an EV makes me cringe.
@@ForagerTax The jury is out on that. New EVs costs have been decreasing as new ICEs costs have been increasing. That affects the resale market greatly. We need to see the effects when all the government subsidies are removed from EVs. That will be a better comparison of long term depreciation.
@DonaldMains, I drive about 10, 000 miles a year. What is the most financial \ cheapest way in my own personal vehicle to accomplish the same task. Let me help you out .....its NOT in an EV. An older Used car even at 10 mpg is still way more economical than any EV, new or used.
@@ImLivinSD No need to help me out. I understand. it doesn't make sense for you. For others it might work out. it's that simple.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience with your VW ID. VW's EV's have had too many software issues, poor technical support, plus you have to charge on very unreliable charging networks while you're on the road. This is why Tesla still doesn't have any competition!
You might be right. Although, I often see the Tesla charging stations are full - plus cars waiting in queue. I still have a deposit on a cyber truck placed in 2019, so I may end up with a Tesla someday.
Did my homework, bought an Ioniq 5 (3rd year) so it's a proven platform. VW hasn't got it right yet, so I avoided that model. Like most EV drivers I am ecstatic, and can't imagine going back to burning stuff. This guy has a good reason to complain, but don't take his experience as average, because it isn't. Charging at home is fantastic! The savings in gas and maintenance too, but do your research! I know of Ford F-150 drivers who swear they will never convert, yet they seem okay with their company putting them behind the wheel of a lightning, which saves that company the a fore mentioned costs. They have come down to a price right near the ICE version, so it would be stupid not to consider them as a fleet buyer.
Congratulations on your car purchase. I remember when I was ecstatic and felt more evolved than the gas guzzlers. Now I cringe a the thought of an EV. Everyone's different and it may be a fit for you. I wish you the best!.
Hope you've been enjoying that EV you bought ... xD
@@jurycould4275 Absolutely. My next car will definitely be an EV also.
@@Trashed20659 Sure you are ;) Already thinking about your next car? What car are you thinking about consuming next?
I don’t fault you for your choice. We’re still in the early years of EV development. With Ford now changing over to the Tesla style connector, hopefully some of the charging woes will get better. As far as cost, I commute 50miles round trip. My former ice car cost $60-70 per fill up since it required premium fuel. My EV cost me $35 per month. I do hope that you are happy with your new car. For if you’re not happy with a car the rest won’t matter. I hope enough is the issues will be resolved in the next 5-10 years that you may be encouraged to try an EV again. Safe travels.
EV is an old and outdated solution. ICE is high-tech. Why do you think Turkey, Vietnam and all kinds of no-name Chinese Brands are flooding the market with garbage EVs now. You've been brainwashed.
If you cannot afford a couple of vehicles, you cannot have an EV as your one and only car... Besides, you didnt get the real one... 96% of TESLA owners won't return to ICE vehicles for good... It happened that you are poor and also bought a crapy EV... sorry.
Few people have the luxury of owning a backup ICE car just because EVs are highly inconvenient. I made this video 16 month ago and in the meantime I have seen a huge trend in EV drivers returning to ICE, including Tesla owners. My aversion to EVs is not stemmed in financial scarcity. EVs may be for you, but I'm staying with ICE for good.
You are so right Tesla is only for the rich because the depreciation is thrue the roof and it is good they can afford it 😂
@@bernardhulsbos5908 haha, you called it. Fastest way to lose money besides a casino.
@@ForagerTaxvolkswagen evs suck afaik. And deprecation of all EVs is indeed much quicker, here in Austria companies are allowed to “depreciate” them at 30% per year. Still, I think it really matters where you live and where you drive. For me personally, switching from a 20 year old diesel bmw to a 3 year old tesla might actually make sense financially, since there is no motor tax and insurance would be dirt cheap - and even the most reliable bmw engine is not very cheap to maintain. But, I don’t have a home charger, and I’m already filling up my diesel car with HVO which means I’ve already reduced my co2 emissions very significantly. I personally don’t need to drive every day and an EV would actually be quite convenient but I’d have to keep the same ev for at least five years for it to make financial sense, and probably even more for it to result in co2 savings. Still, when someone is buying a new ICE, they commit to 3-4x lifetime co2 emissions in the States, and 8-10x co2 emissions here in Austria where all electricity comes from renewals. It would have been nice if you mentioned that tradeoff for your convenience in the video, otherwise it sounds like oil mafia propaganda.
@@weredrivinghere haha, not meant to be propaganda. I drove past a (non-tesla) charging station at Walmart yesterday and it was completely full with a wait. And it's not like a gas station where people will be there for 5-10 minutes. The thought of playing that game again gives me anxiety. So this video was more about practicality and convenience. That said, I don't know if renewables are sufficient to foster EV and phase out ICEs en-masse. I think nuclear power is needed to create electricity to meet such a high demand. In California there is a push to phase out EV, but we are also told to moderate electricity consumption during the summer. We get emergency text alerts and even occasional outages due to demand exceeding supply. The phase out will not work unless something radically changes.
I like my gas vehicle...will never buy an EV just a bunch of garbage...I rather Walk.
I like my electric vehicle...will never buy another mechanical piston vehicle just a bunch of garbage....I rather Walk.
Ew no wonder you didn’t like the EV.
The Volkswagens suck.
Next time, try a Tesla
The inconvenience of charging was the problem, not the brand.
@ understandable if you can’t charge at home/work