I dated a girl who's parole officer made her tell me she was diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder..and she did...but did I take the warning..not at all...why would I..I thought she was just being honest on her own volition so couldn' be THAT bad. Wrong.
@@levithewonderdog335 That's only 12 years difference. That wasn't the problem... The problem was he had addiction and anger issues....and a whole lot of other issues.
He held his own sister and her kid at gunpoint. The bail bondsman told her several times don’t do it. How big of a sign and how many big signs did Catherine need?
@@blackeagle4913 I believe she was 44 and he 27; she probably couldn't believe her luck pulling a ruggedly handsome young guy like that, and with the mindset of a schoolteacher thought she could straighten him out. She's not the first to make such a mistake and won't be the last.
If a bail bondsman is telling u that it’s a bad idea LISTEN TO THEM because a bail bondsman will never say that because they want your money!!! So if they are saying that then it’s a really bad idea
Exactly.And if his own family who has known him all his life had nothing to do with him. Why would she think she could rehabilitate him in the short time that she had known him??
My uncle's dog couldn't be saved. She wasn't a born killer, she was taught those things by people, so my uncle had her put down before she could get her first victim.
Even a relationship or friendship of 20 or more years wouldn't budge me to put my house up as collateral for ANYBODY! This is beyond helping someone. She had personal issues & needed professional help. And absolutely no self worth. Why would she think this man would go along with her rules 100%?? She was living in the clouds. The last thing she should have been doing was teaching children.
It's same as woman who fail in love with a man who is on the feminine side 😂😂😂😂 and believe by marrying him she will turn him around to stop being 🌈🌈🌈🌈
But he was trying to get out of jail. Only to do the worse and end up back where he didn't wanna be. Something tells me his brain is not well developed. Not thinking of consequences or past immediate gratification.
Failed to include the hippocratic code in her list of rules . That should have been the first rule , without survival, there is no reason for other rules
@@user-se5ef5pl3o And? I never had kids and I’m 49. My boyfriend is 33 & I’d never treat him like a child, he’s a man. He takes me out and pays for dinner. I know what you mean though, I don’t like it when men are emasculated.
IKR? My *father* wouldn’t have put his house for any of us. I was 30 years old when he passed, I’m the youngest and the only time growing up when he wasn’t around, he was in Vietnam.
This lady not a genuine nice person she just a chick that wanted to date above her looks level and she paid the price, she wouldn’t have did that for a man on her looks level..she is no different than a unattractive dude that be tricking on women…
So she bails him out, after telling him all the bond rules, and he decides he wants out but doesn’t want to be with her or adhere to any of these rules so he kills her? What an absolute psychopath
@carriefawcett9990 leery is a word, and is correctly used in this context. You're trying to correct something that doesn't need correction. So I'm curious, what do you think you accomplished? Lol
When going over his rules with him, she spoke to him like he was one of her students. If you have to talk and treat your spouse like a child, that’s a huge red flag.
I think that was who she was, she wanted so badly to help him have a normal happy life, monsters like him have to be in control always, I’m sure he looked for a reason to start a fight so he could kill her. Her next time round will be a happy peaceful loving life, her kind soul deserves that.
@@Scott_From_Canada I thought the same. It was a red flag about the dynamics of the relationship - a kindergarten teacher and a high school dropout. He sounded like a little boy talking to her "ask me, tell me".
He sounded high as she gave him the rules. And the fact that he begged her to come get him, & he promised to slick his hair back & put deodorant on, as if that's a reward, tells me everything.
She just sounded so cute and giddy and innocent when she was talking to him over the phone in jail. Just blindly in love and so full of hope and positivity. The way she called HIS problems OUR problems. She was probably the best thing that could have ever happened to him and he murdered her as soon as he got it. Pure evil.
the worse thing and you understand why , but this type of guy is not going to tolerate going to work, giving his wage to her, getting lunch money, being treated like her pupils He used her for what he could get, that's it
That woman was so desperate. " i don't care what people think about us i love you" desperate to be with a criminal. There are so many men outside the jail. She paid bail risking her life and house!
lets be real, she was desperate to be with a guy who had a body like a career criminal. She could have gotten men around her age. The heart wants what it wants.
She was talking to this man, like he was one of her kindergarten students. While she was giving him her 6 directives, he was thinking there are actually 7, I am going to kill you when I get out of jail. This is so sad. She seemed like a very naive nice person. My condolences to her family and friends.
Even listening to his responces you could tell he was rolling his eyes. She did not listen to his tone, just his words. I feel so sad for her and her family, she was too naive.
That phone call was literally the most cringe thing ever. She is literally speaking to him like a child “ok?” “Ok?” Lady this is a criminal not a toddler. Rest in peace so horribly tragic ❤
No way that this man child was going to abide by her rules and guidelines. It was in his voice when she first went through them, and in his every immature action that had him locked up and seeking her to fix his problems. It’s just sad that she believed that she could fix him when he wasn’t interested in fixing himself.
The phone conversation (at 12:30) between her and this guy was absolutely pathetic. She was hoping to buy herself a younger, handsome, 6'4, loving (and emotionally indebted) boyfriend/husband for $20K, thinking that a list of "rules" could reverse a lifetime of criminal behavior and drug addiction.
WAS the golden state. It's no longer the paradise it once was; people are leaving in droves. But that won't make them happier, because the problem with California is the current generation of Californians. People seem to forget that THEY are the ones who choose their own governments, making THEM ultimately responsible if the administration turns out to be a dud. So by changing states, they simply spread the real problem to other states-themselves.
He was crazed out on drugs and she saw his antics of those of her kindergarten children. Darn unfortunate as she possibly lived a sheltered life unaware of the evils of the word. OMG!!
I assumed that he was just joking around to her about getting dolled up in jail for her when he gets out or maybe it's a conversation she had about his appearance before and he is manipulating her into getting him out because he will look how she wants or think she wants.
Once you find happiness within yourself, the ordinary suddenly becomes extraordinary. You'll realize that happiness was there all along-it's merely a reflection of your inner perception projecting outward.
OMG, not poor girl . . . . FOOLISH girl, IDIOTIC girl, NAIVE girl, yes, but not "poor girl". The writing was soooo on the wall. Even the way he sounded on that recorded call from jail when she was giving him the "6 requirements to be bailed out", he sounded like he was completely out of it. She made her bed and very sadly paid the ultimate price. Not that she asked for that, it is very sad, but this was never going to turn into the fairy tale that she was obviously thinking it would.
@@1realtruthrightnow742that's not true. Many people don't allow their desperation to override their common sense. She was smart n cute.. but she chose a loser, naively thought she could school him out of his bad behaviour. If his police captain father couldn't do it AND gave up trying.. she had mud for brains; thinking she could save him. 😱🤯😱🤯
@@lemaa4820 This woman knew how dangerous he was, but she had the hubris to believe he'd never turn it on her. Reminds me of Frankenstein and his monster...
As a single woman in her 40s, I sadly feel what she might have been feeling. It’s a lonely place to be and a woman’s self-esteem and self-value are so low at this stage, it’s easy to fall prey to users and abusers (and apparently even killers). It’s a tragedy because she was successful and pretty. She could have found someone worthy of her had she only realized she deserved better.
Yo, I'm a single woman in my 40s. I even have a bunch of cats. My life is pretty rad. The last thing I need is some greasy overgrown boy messing up my life. I'm sure I was much more desperate for male attention in my teens and 20s. I'd have to meet somebody pretty *amazing* to be willing to make a big shift in my life nowadays.
@@Lenny77199 thanks for stating the obvious. And thanks for not degrading her personality. After all, we’ve all made a few poor/bad choices. And we incur consequences. Such is life. It is what, it is.
@@jadekost3335 hindsight is always 20/20, or it should be. The world is certainly bursting with sage advisors. Contrary to what we may think, helping others does not always guarantee a horrible outcome. Let’s be compassionate in offering up our evaluations. Particularly, when the one we are evaluating has been murdered.
Sad my ex wife is similarly codependent, the first friend or man to show her the slightest attention and she opens up her door, tries to bring strange men around my children no matter how many times I send her links to news stories. Now I have to take custody to prevent anything happening to my kids. The world is a dark place!
As an addict myself, this poor girl had no idea what she was in for. This man was a career crimimal. He had plans to kill her before he left jail. He is probably a psychopath.
She believed she could control him, probably because she believed he wanted to live a healthy life. Her naivety led her to her death. It's shocking. RIP.
@@claira8601 Half the guys I know are convicts...most not violent crimes...typically business related..corporate fraud is a big one...morally correct if you ask me lol.
@@shirajai I agree. This isn't the latest gossip....this is absolute tragedy. No flaws of hers need to pointed out as tho she did anything to deserve what happened. Just learn from the things you notice, but saying something like that is out of place considering what happened. I hope her soul is resting in peace.
It’s not insensitive, I feel terrible for the poor girl but she was desperate. She knew this guy a month and threw all common sense and inhibitions out of the window.
She probably had emotional co decency issues and thought she could fix him. Unfortunately too many woman like this and they wonder why their hearts continue to get broke. Cost this woman more
He seems mentally ill to be paranoid in the car with his sister and maybe self medicating with alcohol. She had no idea how dangerous this person was. He really WAS that dangerous.
PEOPLE.32 years retired LEO. There are literal MONSTERS that lurk amongst us. They are evereywhere! Always have been. Just more of them now! And growing! They want to prey on your kindness. I hate to be so cynical but after what I have seen in my life, I cannot help it! Please think before helping people. Whether it be food, a few dollars, or more detailed. You may do it 1000 times..but it only takes once, and you will find that monster! Trust me!
lol she knew him a month , thats not love. She loved the fact he was in trouble because then he needs her which she thought brings them closer. she tried to control him as well....
Did you see the story where a woman forgave and became friends with the guy who killed her mother by writing him letters in prison? When he got out she let him live with her only to kill her too.
@@dontbelongherefromanother They’re easy to babysit. But… To actually ‘work’ with them, meaning: To educate and teach them, to improve their mental, emotional and physical developmental abilities and to help them with anything else they might need help with… …plus, most importantly: to mentor and guide them in accordance with the appropriate psychological established norms…. …the REAL SKILLS that are needed / implemented to CORRECTLY execute the job of a kindergarten teacher… …is by no means ‘easy’….!! It is quite demanding and requires a specific high level education! To refer to the job of a kindergarten teacher as being ‘easy’ is actually very diminishing… and deserves a lot more respect! And NO: I am NOT a kindergarten teacher and I don’t even KNOW any of them personally. I DO have a long term professional background in Education and Educational Development…. 😃
@@The_Real_Mier by no means was I diminishing the skills and knowledge of a Kindergarten teacher, but using a comparison/contrast of working with 5 year olds to that of middle and high schoolers. Being a Kindergarten teacher is indeed, a noble status
Poor naive woman. All the signs were there. She just chose not to see them. I could tell by the way he was responding to her "6 conditions" that he had no intentions of doing the right thing. Never bail someone out of jail.
She wasn't naive. She choosing not to see yeah that but she was trying to build herself a hubby. Make him all that she wanted in a future. She knew exactly what the situation was.
Plus, when the court sets a high bail (especially in a crime where no one was physically harmed), maybe take the hint. They don't want him out there, neither should anyone else.
She thought she could put him on some kind of intense probationary program, receive his paychecks, drug test him, make him go to AA and counsiling, etc, etc.. no wonder this extremely dangerous man killed you
When he first called her asking her to bail him out she didn't have to explain herself in terms of her finances and whether she had collateral or not. All she needed to say was i cant help you, so long, Oh and don't contact me anymore. But she didn't do that and now she is dead.
She was talking to him like he was a child. Another case of misplaced empathy. Women need to accept reality and put their safety and wellbeing first. Such a vicious attack. RIP Cathryn. Wow. He injured cops like that and lived?
Knows him a month and bails him out. The recording of her and him with her setting the rules he sounds about as interested in her as a hole in his head. How sad that someone is so desperate - she doesn’t care if anybody likes him or not! So darn sad.
@@loyaldogpublishingllc915 ''12 years younger is not uncommon'' YUP!! when the woman's 12 years younger it is common, not an way older women with a man 12 years younger. women like that are creepy and weird AF.
Stories like this are so troubling. She was such a wonderful woman. RIP. She didn’t understand the nature of his inner demons. Love can’t save everybody, some are evil, don’t want to be saved.
She's so naive. While she didn't deserve to be killed, she still made a choice and bailed him out of jail. She made a choice and it came with a consequence.
That's pretty insensitive 😢 poor lady. Even if what you're saying is true, wouldn't it be nicer to keep that opinion to yourself? If she was my relative I'd find comments like yours highly upsetting. I'm sure they already know she made a mistake without people rubbing their noses in it. Let's be kind.
@@carriefawcett9990. Oh wow you are just like her. Don’t treat men like 5 year olds. Grow up. The woman allowed herself to be manipulated because, she thought she could save him.
Dear oh dear…how seriously naive of this woman….hes a serial liar, with no intention of following any of her plans…big red flags, and alarm bells ringing
They weren't plans, it was her list of rules like he was a child and no woman beater is going to follow that. She thought she had herself a young man who will sleep with her and follow her rules. She was unrealistic and had weird control issues. She was definitely out of her league on this one. I have no respect for any woman who bails out a violent offender like this.
My girlfriend of 8 years ran a background check on me before we started dating.i applauded her for it when I found out.nothing to hide,nothing to fear.
Education doesn't give life skills. She was likely very lonely and that plus physical attraction she decided to just throw all concerns and caution to the side to secure a relationship with this guy. Women do stuff like this all the time though.
@@samezidrovibes Apparently nothing..........they get money, love letters, and promises from thousands of women. If you don't believe me ask Chris Watts, Scott Peterson or Wade Wilson.
Me too. I don’t have time to be a man’s mama or door mat. I am content staying single. I have my kids, grandchildren and a great grandchild. I have a full life. I have supported myself for decades.
I've never understood why some women feel the need and want to fix grown men. Getting into a relationship where the person isn't self-sufficient is a recipe for disaster. You should build a life together not fix the other persons problems
Well said, I’ve even had female friends wanting me to sort their messes out for them…no thank you. If you’re an adult you have to sort yourself out. Don’t mind helping others but there has to be limits.
For more videos like this, subcribe to The Crime Atlas: www.youtube.com/@thecrimeatlas
Can't see a link to Cathryn's charities in the description
Why do chicks go for convicts?
When the bail bondsman says you shouldnt do it , DONT , he knows more than you do .
He really knew his job. I wonder who trained him.
You are absolutely 💯
Right
SMH
This guy reminds me of Wade Wilson.
I dated a girl who's parole officer made her tell me she was diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder..and she did...but did I take the warning..not at all...why would I..I thought she was just being honest on her own volition so couldn' be THAT bad. Wrong.
Any guy that wants you to put your house up for bail is a snake
What kind of snake is he? An anaconda? A python? A boa constrictor?
@@MrJuvefrank devil type snake.
@@MrJuvefrankthe kind of snake who is confused by metaphors.
@@MrJuvefrank all three
@@utubewillyman hahahaha 😂😂😂😂
She literally paid $20,000 to be killed tragic!
She was delusional. Nothing about him says, I’m a man in love with this woman.
@Anna-ww4pv agree. .she's 44 he's 32 absolutely delusional
@@levithewonderdog335 That's only 12 years difference. That wasn't the problem... The problem was he had addiction and anger issues....and a whole lot of other issues.
@@levithewonderdog335 she was single and lonely...that plays a huge role...
He is a psychopath. Don't forget the assaults at the university. Very dangerous guy.
He held his own sister and her kid at gunpoint. The bail bondsman told her several times don’t do it. How big of a sign and how many big signs did Catherine need?
@@pauladouglass9456 Desperation and low self esteem!
@@blackeagle4913 I believe she was 44 and he 27; she probably couldn't believe her luck pulling a ruggedly handsome young guy like that, and with the mindset of a schoolteacher thought she could straighten him out. She's not the first to make such a mistake and won't be the last.
Wait. Is the weaker , lesser unprofessional talking. Upgrade when they go low. Refund it’s gas money for cars you don’t have In the area
@@splinterbyrd I made that mistake. My life was miserable. Now I’m free finally
@@Harleyanne774 PS And although sometimes it's difficult, don't look back
If a bail bondsman is telling u that it’s a bad idea LISTEN TO THEM because a bail bondsman will never say that because they want your money!!! So if they are saying that then it’s a really bad idea
women LOVE toxic men. Toxic men are like a drug women can't resist
Exactly.And if his own family who has known him all his life had nothing to do with him. Why would she think she could rehabilitate him in the short time that she had known him??
@@amandalowery377 the more a woman is warned about a man the more she’s attracted to him
@@carlcounts1 Not all of us.
@@sunnie231138 no all but a majority of women are attracted to toxic men
Ladies: if you need to save something, get a dog.
My uncle's dog couldn't be saved. She wasn't a born killer, she was taught those things by people, so my uncle had her put down before she could get her first victim.
@@EffSharp I second this!
You are probably right , some animals have more common sense than some kind of Monsters like this ignorant Charlie.
Sounds like she already had.... this situation is really sad. At least she didn't have kids, bc it could have been worse...
Pit bull it is.
Ladies, please! When someone shows you who they are please, please 🙏🏻 believe them the very first time !😢
-Maya Angelou
Very true, people don’t change much, unless they actually want to but that’s rare
@@Isai_Calderonin my case you have to love the person enough to want to change.....
Lesson learned
@@jefferykeeton804and even then that’s hard
Ladies: you can't fix criminals.
Guys: you can't save her.
Even the bail bondsman tried to talk her down.
Yes! That is RARE! My goodness. But she probably thinking “nobody knows him like I do” smh 😢
@@AngelRaeeee She was sexually attracted to him that's all. People always try to intellectualise women's behaviours.
@@YayaTourneyyou didn’t watch the video? She was trying to HELP him, even got him counselling.
_Some_ women really go for the bad-boy type.
@@jimmyzhao2673 Bad boy, and worse boy.
I wouldn't put my house up even for my own son ... NOPE!!! Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!
Exactly
Right on
Facts
Even a relationship or friendship of 20 or more years wouldn't budge me to put my house up as collateral for ANYBODY! This is beyond helping someone. She had personal issues & needed professional help. And absolutely no self worth. Why would she think this man would go along with her rules 100%?? She was living in the clouds. The last thing she should have been doing was teaching children.
But mamma
So many women believe they are the exception, trust no one is .... monsters will be monsters.
This!
Exactly!!
Nah most women like this are desperate to "keep" a man. She needed that "in a relationship" status more than anything
It's same as woman who fail in love with a man who is on the feminine side 😂😂😂😂 and believe by marrying him she will turn him around to stop being 🌈🌈🌈🌈
Facts. The mindset of I’m not like other girls I’m special has gotten a lot of women killed and abused
She might as well have bailed out the devil himself. He murdered her as soon as she got him out of jail.
I thought she had bailed out the devil himself.
Yeah what a scary situation
kind of like were taught to hate german soldiers in ww2 but our veterans are ''heros''
Very scary and crazy! I wanna know why he killed her though!?
lol
Wow, he wasted no time eliminating her as soon as she got him out of jail. 😢
But he was trying to get out of jail. Only to do the worse and end up back where he didn't wanna be. Something tells me his brain is not well developed. Not thinking of consequences or past immediate gratification.
@@adi7031 He wanted his drugs at all costs. Sad really.
Failed to include the hippocratic code in her list of rules . That should have been the first rule , without survival, there is no reason for other rules
AND, getting back on his drugs!
She treated him as one of her misbehaving kindergartners
Because she never had kids of her own.
@@user-se5ef5pl3oThis comment make zero sense.
Ugh that's heartbreaking to think about. Sad but true
@@user-se5ef5pl3o
And? I never had kids and I’m 49. My boyfriend is 33 & I’d never treat him like a child, he’s a man. He takes me out and pays for dinner. I know what you mean though, I don’t like it when men are emasculated.
Dicey
Who puts up their house for someone having only known them for one month?
IKR? My *father* wouldn’t have put his house for any of us. I was 30 years old when he passed, I’m the youngest and the only time growing up when he wasn’t around, he was in Vietnam.
I wouldnt put up my house for anyone , it doesnt matter who you are or how long i have known you
Sadly some people are so desperate for love they lose their sense of reality and make terrible choices.
@@LinkRocks perfectly said
@@tonyjones1560 My condolences
She sounds like she is desperate to have a boyfriend. He sounds very immature on the phone asking her to get him out of jail.
This lady not a genuine nice person she just a chick that wanted to date above her looks level and she paid the price, she wouldn’t have did that for a man on her looks level..she is no different than a unattractive dude that be tricking on women…
So she bails him out, after telling him all the bond rules, and he decides he wants out but doesn’t want to be with her or adhere to any of these rules so he kills her? What an absolute psychopath
@@Anna-ww4pv huh?
@@Anna-ww4pvwhat you yapping about
Don't you mean obey?
@@saveThe90s88adhere is used appropriately here.
@@saveThe90s88 I doubt he means “obey” since adhere is also being used correctly here.
All the red flags were screaming at her. She was truly desperate and that’s really sad. He was a total loser in every sense of the word!!!
Right. So guess she found her answer. Are you dangerous?
I would feel like a complete failure if I raised a girl to become such a naive and desperate woman 😢.
@@MPPG663just don't have kids. Because victim blaming only fueled these boys that became 'men' to continue being criminals.
And yet this is the kind of guy women are getting knocked up by, then they act surprised when the bum doesn't want to be a father.
She thought he was hot, and that was all that mattered
Always be leery of a person who's family wants nothing to-do with them.
*wary
In this case yes. Sometimes the family are the toxic ones.
@carriefawcett9990 leery is a word, and is correctly used in this context. You're trying to correct something that doesn't need correction. So I'm curious, what do you think you accomplished? Lol
@@MissAlissaxX S/he accomplished informing me its wary and not weary.
@@milanimorales2645 caught in 4K bruh.
He doesn’t even sound like he’s interested in doing better over the phone. Sounds like he just wants to get out by any means
That guy must be one of the biggest liars in his community.
Yep, and it sounds like she wants a project to try to fix. Bad combo.
When going over his rules with him, she spoke to him like he was one of her students. If you have to talk and treat your spouse like a child, that’s a huge red flag.
I think that was who she was, she wanted so badly to help him have a normal happy life, monsters like him have to be in control always, I’m sure he looked for a reason to start a fight so he could kill her.
Her next time round will be a happy peaceful loving life, her kind soul deserves that.
That was a red flag about her, not him.
@@Scott_From_Canada I thought the same. It was a red flag about the dynamics of the relationship - a kindergarten teacher and a high school dropout. He sounded like a little boy talking to her "ask me, tell me".
They cannot help it. My sister and my sister in law are both teachers. They talk to everybody like that - infuriating.
@@Scott_From_Canada If you have to talk to your spouse through bars, that's a red flag.
“I don’t think you’re that dangerous!! …Are you that dangerous?” ….. silence he didn’t answer that question.. but she found out the answer 😢
Silence speaks volume!
Incredibly naive.
Yep! My question is why did he kill her?
lol
This gave me Wade Wilson vibes 😳😳
He sounded high as she gave him the rules. And the fact that he begged her to come get him, & he promised to slick his hair back & put deodorant on, as if that's a reward, tells me everything.
Yes he sounded so weird. Slurring and everything.
😂😂😂😢😢😢
@@missstirring6063 Not really that funny
The deodorant thing was so weird
He didn't sound charming or smooth
Like the scorpion who stung the frog just after the frog had helped him get across the stream. Why? "Because that's what I do!" replied the scorpion.
This is spot on!
I've heard the classic story of the woman who saved the snake and got bit, but a FROG and a Scorpion? Did you make that up?😂😂
@@desertweasel6965 no, its a well known fable
@@desertweasel6965 When I heard it told, it was a hippo and a scorpion.
Hahaha
She just sounded so cute and giddy and innocent when she was talking to him over the phone in jail. Just blindly in love and so full of hope and positivity. The way she called HIS problems OUR problems. She was probably the best thing that could have ever happened to him and he murdered her as soon as he got it. Pure evil.
They weren’t even dating that long and saying “I love you” to each other. That’s a red flag right there.
the worse thing and you understand why , but this type of guy is not going to tolerate going to work, giving his wage to her, getting lunch money, being treated like her pupils
He used her for what he could get, that's it
Exactly right
Yep, so sad 💔
Mrs Frankenstein was plotting to create a resentful creature
And its so sad that she couldnt make a better decision now, because shes not here anymore
It sounded like she was doing the same thing
This guy is a demon. This is someone who should be locked up for life.
Just watch another wide eyed woman bail him out again, Ted bundy probably got proposed to more than any man in history 😅
always a chance for rehab
@@Moofie-rc5ddhe's just misunderstood and needs counseling.
🤣@@Moofie-rc5dd
@@desertweasel6965 I don't know who is more naive, you or Cathryn.
She was so co-dependent. She only knew him a month. Very sad.
She wasdesperate
@@blackcherry6877 She most beautiful kindhearted soul.
@@blackcherry6877wow judging much ? u know nothing about her she seemed to have a happy life and was loved
@@blackcherry6877he was he couldn’t even handle a gentle person being kind to him
@@shamiramfatima5550 and desperate... you are acting like all 3 can't be true at the same time.
He sounds like a sullen teen on the phone instead of a freaking grown man. Disgusting.
@@quinnhen2325 Agreed, phoning Mommy to come and rescue him
That woman was so desperate. " i don't care what people think about us i love you" desperate to be with a criminal. There are so many men outside the jail. She paid bail risking her life and house!
lets be real, she was desperate to be with a guy who had a body like a career criminal. She could have gotten men around her age. The heart wants what it wants.
She was talking to this man, like he was one of her kindergarten students. While she was giving him her 6 directives, he was thinking there are actually 7, I am going to kill you when I get out of jail. This is so sad. She seemed like a very naive nice person. My condolences to her family and friends.
zero survival instinct, gene pool purged itself
Even listening to his responces you could tell he was rolling his eyes. She did not listen to his tone, just his words. I feel so sad for her and her family, she was too naive.
He probably didn’t plan on killing her. He only wanted to get out and use her
@@Silent_Ghoul Naive and arrogant...
That’s what happens when ur a kindergarten teacher …
Around kids all the time 😢
That phone call was literally the most cringe thing ever. She is literally speaking to him like a child “ok?” “Ok?” Lady this is a criminal not a toddler. Rest in peace so horribly tragic ❤
Her rules are ridiculous
@@Lenny77199 She was ridiculous and lost her life because of it. She helped a violent offender.
No way that this man child was going to abide by her rules and guidelines. It was in his voice when she first went through them, and in his every immature action that had him locked up and seeking her to fix his problems. It’s just sad that she believed that she could fix him when he wasn’t interested in fixing himself.
No, she couldn't fix him
Maybe she should have tried fixing herself before others...
@lilbitsleepy….I totally 100% agree hearing it in his voice 😡
“Aight” uh huh”
I agree about his voice when she read the rules
The phone conversation (at 12:30) between her and this guy was absolutely pathetic. She was hoping to buy herself a younger, handsome, 6'4, loving (and emotionally indebted) boyfriend/husband for $20K, thinking that a list of "rules" could reverse a lifetime of criminal behavior and drug addiction.
Actually, California is not the "sunshine state" that nickname actually belongs to florida. California is the "golden state."
Because Cali had a lot of gold during the Gold Rush era?
“The Golden State”, actually.
@@jackswanson8326 INCORRECT. IT IS THE "golden state"
WAS the golden state. It's no longer the paradise it once was; people are leaving in droves. But that won't make them happier, because the problem with California is the current generation of Californians.
People seem to forget that THEY are the ones who choose their own governments, making THEM ultimately responsible if the administration turns out to be a dud. So by changing states, they simply spread the real problem to other states-themselves.
Wildfire state 😥
Ladies you can’t change a man, RIP sad situation
And vice versa...
@@user-q7e4nbd5mjki8frj 💯
Why even try to change an L, again?
Yeah men are the problem and not women making the worst decisions possible.
@@user-q7e4nbd5mjki8frj theres no vice versa like that, men dont really try to fix or change a women, they leave most of the time🤷♀️
"Im going to slick my hair back with some gel and put on some deodorant " wtf was he talking about on that phone call?
He was crazed out on drugs and she saw his antics of those of her kindergarten children. Darn unfortunate as she possibly lived a sheltered life unaware of the evils of the word. OMG!!
I assumed that he was just joking around to her about getting dolled up in jail for her when he gets out or maybe it's a conversation she had about his appearance before and he is manipulating her into getting him out because he will look how she wants or think she wants.
Very romantic sweet talk... he's probably still drunk and wants to be bailed out..😂
Personal grooming.
Hahahaha 🤣😂😂😂😂
It is not easy to find happiness in ourselves, and it is not possible to find it elsewhere....
From whom is this quote? It's a great quote! 💯
Well, that's a bummer!
Hmm. Gonna chew on that a while. Very interesting comment.
That is the truth, and very well put.
Once you find happiness within yourself, the ordinary suddenly becomes extraordinary. You'll realize that happiness was there all along-it's merely a reflection of your inner perception projecting outward.
She didn't even want him shopping without her, she thought she was getting someone she could control.
Poor girl, she seemed so optimistic on the phone. My heart goes out to her family and friends.
OMG, not poor girl . . . . FOOLISH girl, IDIOTIC girl, NAIVE girl, yes, but not "poor girl". The writing was soooo on the wall. Even the way he sounded on that recorded call from jail when she was giving him the "6 requirements to be bailed out", he sounded like he was completely out of it. She made her bed and very sadly paid the ultimate price. Not that she asked for that, it is very sad, but this was never going to turn into the fairy tale that she was obviously thinking it would.
She was so desperate for love that she ignored the many red flags and paid with her life.
Sadly, most people are like this and it's getting worse.
Isn't that every woman that enters a heterosexual relationship... to some degree...
@@SomeTheorist9090 and man
@@1realtruthrightnow742that's not true. Many people don't allow their desperation to override their common sense.
She was smart n cute.. but she chose a loser, naively thought she could school him out of his bad behaviour. If his police captain father couldn't do it AND gave up trying.. she had mud for brains; thinking she could save him. 😱🤯😱🤯
@@SomeTheorist9090no!
People will say anything when they’re are in jail
Oh yea. Even dogs will do anything to out of the cage. Did she ever believe this jerk would abide in her 6 rules? Obviously she did
Ladies take heed, this is beyond chilling.
I wouldn't do what she did in a million years
@@TheMary0831 I know that’s right.
I can't imagine what she was thinking while being stabbed!! Talk about betrayal!! Yikes!
@@lemaa4820 This woman knew how dangerous he was, but she had the hubris to believe he'd never turn it on her. Reminds me of Frankenstein and his monster...
No, in that story he knew what his creation was possible of. Sadly this woman didn’t.
Handsome? He looks kind of crazy.
Well he is kinda crazy so that tracks
Wade Wison has a following of women who have put $90,000 in the bank for him & put money on his kiosk for prison spending. Desperate Women!
when he cleans up and puts on the charm women are attracted to that bad boy charisma
Women tend to go for the bad boy. For some reason it infatuates them
@@EugeneLatterman- Bad boys don’t hold women accountable. Next question.
As a single woman in her 40s, I sadly feel what she might have been feeling. It’s a lonely place to be and a woman’s self-esteem and self-value are so low at this stage, it’s easy to fall prey to users and abusers (and apparently even killers). It’s a tragedy because she was successful and pretty. She could have found someone worthy of her had she only realized she deserved better.
Women are objects…..
Yup… Woman are always the victims, it’s literally never ever their responsibility for anything.
Yo, I'm a single woman in my 40s. I even have a bunch of cats.
My life is pretty rad. The last thing I need is some greasy overgrown boy messing up my life. I'm sure I was much more desperate for male attention in my teens and 20s. I'd have to meet somebody pretty *amazing* to be willing to make a big shift in my life nowadays.
Are you hot?
@@marccuomo2295No.
She either had a Savior complex or was incredibly desperatly emotionally needy or both.
Tell us how you really feel. The woman was murdered. Why not refrain from harshly evaluating her personality.
@@pip5391her choices had consequences. It is what it is.
Safe to say both. She "knew" him for a month... It is horribly sad she did not listen to those around her warning her to stay away.
@@Lenny77199 thanks for stating the obvious. And thanks for not degrading her personality. After all, we’ve all made a few poor/bad choices. And we incur consequences. Such is life. It is what, it is.
@@jadekost3335 hindsight is always 20/20, or it should be. The world is certainly bursting with sage advisors. Contrary to what we may think, helping others does not always guarantee a horrible outcome. Let’s be compassionate in offering up our evaluations. Particularly, when the one we are evaluating has been murdered.
Sad my ex wife is similarly codependent, the first friend or man to show her the slightest attention and she opens up her door, tries to bring strange men around my children no matter how many times I send her links to news stories. Now I have to take custody to prevent anything happening to my kids. The world is a dark place!
Do it Jonathon
Some women are just so pathetic
I really HOPE you get FULL Custody!
💔🙏🏽💙
Ego, has been proven to be the most dominant impulse within man. No stopping it. Logic has no chance w/ some.
If she is codependent why are you not with her. That does not make sense to me.
I think she may have had low self esteem.
That's for sure. Poor woman.
Makes sense she was getting older and that's what generally happens around that age.
Bruh
And even LOWER standards!!!
@@thatgui88 She never had to deal with those VICIOUS 2nd graders!!!
Yes my thoughts too
Scary that so many of the people teaching our children don't even have basic common sense.
Sounds like Donald Trump's "The Snake". The women takes him in during the storm; At the end he bites & kills her.
That’s not fair! If you’re so fearful..homeschool.
@@paulabrown6840 You sound like a teacher who doesn't have basic common sense.
@@paulabrown6840no regrets I homeschooled my 2kids
Home schooling is the way to go.
As an addict myself, this poor girl had no idea what she was in for. This man was a career crimimal. He had plans to kill her before he left jail. He is probably a psychopath.
She believed she could control him, probably because she believed he wanted to live a healthy life. Her naivety led her to her death. It's shocking. RIP.
Exactly!
Don't believe she was naive.
@@adi7031 Anyone who takes in a convict after know him for a month is naive. That's dangerous.
@@claira8601 Half the guys I know are convicts...most not violent crimes...typically business related..corporate fraud is a big one...morally correct if you ask me lol.
@claira8601 that's why I say she wasn't naive. She knew who he was. She just didn't think he'd k** her. But that was always a possibility.
All this for someone you knew for a month? The desperation is real
Very insensitive.
@@shirajai I agree. This isn't the latest gossip....this is absolute tragedy. No flaws of hers need to pointed out as tho she did anything to deserve what happened. Just learn from the things you notice, but saying something like that is out of place considering what happened. I hope her soul is resting in peace.
It’s not insensitive, I feel terrible for the poor girl but she was desperate. She knew this guy a month and threw all common sense and inhibitions out of the window.
@@brightballoonso don’t speak the truth in order to not offend your insecure and fragile feelings?
She probably had emotional co decency issues and thought she could fix him. Unfortunately too many woman like this and they wonder why their hearts continue to get broke. Cost this woman more
He seems mentally ill to be paranoid in the car with his sister and maybe self medicating with alcohol. She had no idea how dangerous this person was. He really WAS that dangerous.
The paranoia was more likely substance-induced than true mental illness.
He’s a drug addict and she needed someone to save.
Yes drug induced paranoia
Usually meth or crack will cause that
Everyone on hard-core drugs is dangerous. They are unpredictable.
the more I listen to this the more I'm angry at her for bailing this criminal out because of it many people were hurt, not just her.
PEOPLE.32 years retired LEO. There are literal MONSTERS that lurk amongst us. They are evereywhere! Always have been. Just more of them now! And growing! They want to prey on your kindness. I hate to be so cynical but after what I have seen in my life, I cannot help it! Please think before helping people. Whether it be food, a few dollars, or more detailed. You may do it 1000 times..but it only takes once, and you will find that monster! Trust me!
Thank you for 32 years of service. You made it!!
Totally agree and a lot of those monsters you speak of are cops. What's the worst thing you saw a fellow officer do to someone?
It's crazy what people do for love, and how most confuse lust for true love.
This!!! Yes! Yes! They are similar and It takes a self aware person to know the difference
Not love, lust, keep it real
Delusional.
That's basically what happened here, I think. She loved sleeping with him. End of story.
lol she knew him a month , thats not love. She loved the fact he was in trouble because then he needs her which she thought brings them closer. she tried to control him as well....
Saying her name over and over like that is a form of manipulation to create a false sense of closeness.
tiffany tiffany tiffany
@@karlhans6678🤣🤣🤣
They do it in Starbucks 😭
I see you uabe experience with this
Unfortunately women trying to save horrendous men from themselves and ending up hurt and or dead is not an uncommon story.
Did you see the story where a woman forgave and became friends with the guy who killed her mother by writing him letters in prison? When he got out she let him live with her only to kill her too.
These women are teaching peoples' kids.
It’s crazy
Not anymore
Meanwhile, Wade Wilson in Florida is getting hundreds of love letters a day by women just like this
🤮🤮🤮🤬🤬
demons like demons
Haha funny but disgusting.
Women aren’t ok
Bundy got married and had a child with a woman like this.
She’s been working with kindergarteners for too long unfortunately. The real world caught up to her.
Kindergarteners are so easy to work with compared to middle and high schoolers. They listen
@@dontbelongherefromanother that’s exactly what they’re saying. She was used to sweet innocent children, not teenage and adult monsters.
@@jonosterman2878 she's a 44 year old grown woman...smh
@@dontbelongherefromanother They’re easy to babysit.
But…
To actually ‘work’ with them, meaning:
To educate and teach them, to improve their mental, emotional and physical developmental abilities and to help them with anything else they might need help with…
…plus, most importantly: to mentor and guide them in accordance with the appropriate psychological established norms….
…the REAL SKILLS that are needed / implemented to CORRECTLY execute the job of a kindergarten teacher…
…is by no means ‘easy’….!!
It is quite demanding and requires a specific high level education!
To refer to the job of a kindergarten teacher as being ‘easy’ is actually very diminishing… and deserves a lot more respect!
And NO: I am NOT a kindergarten teacher and I don’t even KNOW any of them personally.
I DO have a long term professional background in Education and Educational Development…. 😃
@@The_Real_Mier by no means was I diminishing the skills and knowledge of a Kindergarten teacher, but using a comparison/contrast of working with 5 year olds to that of middle and high schoolers. Being a Kindergarten teacher is indeed, a noble status
You can't save a man.
Men like him needs to look after himself,the pos.
@@Ann-sj4pt I'm glad to hear it. People say dudes like him are extremely self-centered, dishonest, manipulating, and irresponsible.
You can't save anyone.
you can't save a woman either
"You can't save a man that doesn't want to be saved".
Whoa, so her stupidity led not only to her own demise, but the brutalization & terrorization of innocent college girls, too? Damn, that’s shameful…
There is a reason they are behind bars.
I guarantee you that had she survived the ordeal, she would still have feelings for him.
@@theurinal TRUTH !
Yup!!!
Yep! Say it loud for the people in the back??
She had only known this man for one month and put up $20k of money she didn’t have to bail this dude out of jail. Red flags all over this one. 🚩
Poor naive woman. All the signs were there. She just chose not to see them. I could tell by the way he was responding to her "6 conditions" that he had no intentions of doing the right thing. Never bail someone out of jail.
She wasn't naive. She choosing not to see yeah that but she was trying to build herself a hubby. Make him all that she wanted in a future. She knew exactly what the situation was.
@@adi7031exactly
@@adi7031she paid for what she bought.
Zero sympathy
Plus, when the court sets a high bail (especially in a crime where no one was physically harmed), maybe take the hint. They don't want him out there, neither should anyone else.
I guess some people just are not born with discretion. I could tell he was lying a mile away on those jail phone calls. Poor Catherine.
Discernment not discretion
@@obimalope8154 no. Discretion is absolutely what I meant. Stop speaking for me.
What gave it away? 🙄
@@obimalope8154
Both words would make sense either way.
@@Sallie_M pupe down, no one is speaking for you 😅
She couldn't see that one CRAZY eyeball !!! 😳👀😂
Read the room, ya fkn more-on
Best comment 😆
Hahaha 😂🤣😂🤣
I get the crazy eyes Adam Sandler joke but nowhere in this situation funny!
😂😂😅😅
She thought she could put him on some kind of intense probationary program, receive his paychecks, drug test him, make him go to AA and counsiling, etc, etc.. no wonder this extremely dangerous man killed you
He DOESN'T want to be rehabilitated
Whoa… this is crazy. Why?!?! Why would you ever put yourself in this position for basically a stranger.
she was treating him like a child, it was so creepy.
That dude lied to her to get her to bail him out. He didn't care about rules, laws, truth, etc.
@@MrJuvefrankrules?? She orchestrated her own downfall
@@MrJuvefrank Master sociopath.
She looks a lot older than him
@@Lenny77199 She made a big mistake trusting a punkie.
He sounds completely out of it when she tells him what the terms of her bailing him out are.
Take note, ladies. If a bail bond tries to tell you no, then listen.
In the phone call, she sounds like she's talking to a 10-year-old. He sounds like one too.
She was so naive poor woman
Dysfunctional and controlling.
Imagine putting your home up as collateral for a felonious waiter. 😂 Catherine was insane
Especially considering she only knew him for a month
'Mysterious romancer' scam, essentially.
Yo Idk what you're talking about but everyone insane out here!
Isn't the laughing emoji misplaced? Shouldn't it be the crying one?
@@luigimario4458no, shouldn’t be. The emoji is correct.
For a teacher, she wasn't very bright.
Teachers don't have to be smart.
@@andrewjosephdotson1359 Kindergarten teachers especially
@@andrewjosephdotson1359That explains everything
She found out the hard way. Stay away from the hornets nest.
When he first called her asking her to bail him out she didn't have to explain herself in terms of her finances and whether she had collateral or not. All she needed to say was i cant help you, so long, Oh and don't contact me anymore. But she didn't do that and now she is dead.
She was talking to him like he was a child. Another case of misplaced empathy. Women need to accept reality and put their safety and wellbeing first. Such a vicious attack. RIP Cathryn. Wow. He injured cops like that and lived?
Knows him a month and bails him out. The recording of her and him with her setting the rules he sounds about as interested in her as a hole in his head. How sad that someone is so desperate - she doesn’t care if anybody likes him or not! So darn sad.
I bet when she was giving him the 6 rules to abide by when she gets him out, that's when he decided he was going to kill her.
not just 12 years younger than her but felonies, drugs, tattoo punk and she went after than monster? 😞 ladies wake up.
12 years younger is not uncommon , after that yes!
@@loyaldogpublishingllc915yes it is and they never stay
They are excited by the bad boys. But if you ask them what they want in a man, they'll answer "a nice guy." They lack self-awareness and honesty.
@@loyaldogpublishingllc915 ''12 years younger is not uncommon'' YUP!!
when the woman's 12 years younger it is common, not an way older women with a man 12 years younger. women like that are creepy and weird AF.
Felonies and drugs are the only thing wrong here
She thought he was hot, and that's all that mattered
And now she is cold 🥶 🤣
Stories like this are so troubling. She was such a wonderful woman. RIP. She didn’t understand the nature of his inner demons. Love can’t save everybody, some are evil, don’t want to be saved.
I'll bet $10 there was a decent, kind, single Dad trying to get to know her better. and being pushed away.
She's so naive. While she didn't deserve to be killed, she still made a choice and bailed him out of jail. She made a choice and it came with a consequence.
That's pretty insensitive 😢 poor lady. Even if what you're saying is true, wouldn't it be nicer to keep that opinion to yourself? If she was my relative I'd find comments like yours highly upsetting. I'm sure they already know she made a mistake without people rubbing their noses in it. Let's be kind.
@@carriefawcett9990Tragically, it’s not at all insensitive. It’s a very sad and harsh truth which the commenter admitted.
@carriefawcett9990 you sound exactly like the type that would've posted bail for this killer monster
@@carriefawcett9990. Oh wow you are just like her. Don’t treat men like 5 year olds. Grow up. The woman allowed herself to be manipulated because, she thought she could save him.
She was talking to him like she was his caseworker. If you listen to the call she definitely sounded like a caseworker and not a girlfriend!!
Wow, he murdered her the same dang day she bailed him out.
Prob mins or barely an hour after lol
The most shocking thing is... someone this unpredictably dangerous... could be let out on bail at all...
My condolences to her dog and family.
Love that you included her dog. So sweet! Yes, condolences to her dog, her family, her friends and her students.
"Make you lunch..."?! If she wanted a child, she could've adopted.
Dear oh dear…how seriously naive of this woman….hes a serial liar, with no intention of following any of her plans…big red flags, and alarm bells ringing
They weren't plans, it was her list of rules like he was a child and no woman beater is going to follow that. She thought she had herself a young man who will sleep with her and follow her rules. She was unrealistic and had weird control issues. She was definitely out of her league on this one. I have no respect for any woman who bails out a violent offender like this.
She should have really listened when she was giving him the list of things he had to do. I could tell he was just saying ok to appease her.
Unfortunately, Kathryn was delusional.
Sad. She turned into his parent. It was never going to work.
My girlfriend of 8 years ran a background check on me before we started dating.i applauded her for it when I found out.nothing to hide,nothing to fear.
How could a well educated woman be so clueless?
Maybe she copied every answer she gave in school.
Education doesn't give life skills. She was likely very lonely and that plus physical attraction she decided to just throw all concerns and caution to the side to secure a relationship with this guy. Women do stuff like this all the time though.
Some of the dumbest people I've met are educated to be educators.
Like a romance novel
:-/. @@duancoviero9759
Most of her interactions were with Kindergartners
Omg!! What is wrong with these women?!! This reminds me of these women who follow Wade Wilson
They need someone to save when they could really be saving themselves
What is wrong with these m3n??
@@samezidrovibes Apparently nothing..........they get money, love letters, and promises from thousands of women. If you don't believe me ask Chris Watts, Scott Peterson or Wade Wilson.
@@samezidrovibeswomen that support them
Who's Wade Wilson?
This poor lady, I've quit dating years ago!!
Me too since 2015
probably smart if those are the guys you choose
Me too. I don’t have time to be a man’s mama or door mat. I am content staying single. I have my kids, grandchildren and a great grandchild. I have a full life. I have supported myself for decades.
I've never understood why some women feel the need and want to fix grown men. Getting into a relationship where the person isn't self-sufficient is a recipe for disaster. You should build a life together not fix the other persons problems
Well said, I’ve even had female friends wanting me to sort their messes out for them…no thank you. If you’re an adult you have to sort yourself out. Don’t mind helping others but there has to be limits.
They don’t want to fix anything…
Women like her have control issues, they want someone to control..