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Considering how this was put together and their lax attitude towards safety, it's amazing that it went down and came back from those depths twelve times.
It's appalling that an epoxy based vessel was left outside in the Canadian winter.. did Stockton ever study what happens when water freezes inside tiny fissures?
@@HarryFlashmanVC corrosive sea water to boot.. this mans ego mustve been completely over the top. "If i engineered it must be worthy, even if i apply 0 common sense & dont believe it myself"
@@ToobzillaI wasn’t sure why people were so mad, but after seeing it left outside in the winter… Yeah… he was definitely not making smart decisions to say the least.
Money money money, costs nothing to stick it in a car park for months, just imagine the effect the cycles of temp variation had on the 'glue'?! Thats your failure right there surely, ***king glued on ends!!!! Just mind boggling idiocy
My only guess is that he's from the west coast and spent a lot of time in and around Seattle, where we have a lot of composite boats and not a lot of freezing days. The man lacked common sense in every other regard, so it wouldn't surprise me to hear that, indeed, he didn't think about freezing.
“Mission specialists” is just a title to work around them not being allowed to take passengers… they are just high paying passengers. It’s part of the delusion of being professionals.
The policy of calling paying passengers Mission Specialists should have warned any of the intelligent people involved, including the passengers themselves, to keep far away from this operation. It's almost like trafficking women and calling them Hospitality Specialists.
One of the witnesses - owner of Triton Submarines - called it a contraption during his testimony and the way he spit out that descriptor, you could tell what he wanted to call it was a POS.
There’s actually 2 bolts missing. One right by that motorized actuator, light, camera, or whatever it is on top and it’s to the left of the one you pointed out. Thats quite a long distance between bolts but I’d bet he would say it doesn’t matter because the pressure is pushing in and not pulling out. It’s still unbelievable and there is zero excuse for this guy to put all these peoples lives at risk like that.
The video you see there is when it is above water. When it goes under water they bolt the front hatch closed. I wouldn’t be surprised if when transporting the submersible they only put some of the bolts in just to hold the front end in place. Who knows though. Without seeing it go under water it’s hard to say if they put all the bolts in for the dive
@@PilotChris And, you end up in a toothpaste tube with the obscenely wealthy who can't seem to spare the money to replace welded rusty pipe with better drop weights, and even if you surface, if you run out of oxygen you could still die. What could go wrong? I am glad I'm not rich, because absolutely not no matter what you paid me. That guy reminds me of my uncle, someone who managed to fail upwards far enough to develop a grandiose sense of self. Hubris kills.
I would argue the glue joints were full of voids due to poor glue application and surface prep. Then when the sub was dropped causing the forward dome bolts to shear off it severely damaged the glue joint. Dives to depth only made this worse and I would wager that voids in the glue were the source of the popping sounds heard.
It was that tiny glue interface that looks to have failed. I don’t understand why they didn’t extend the ring sleeves another few inches to give more surface area for the glue interface. Those sleeves where the glue was applied looked so damn small….barely a few inches max. Oh and they were also touching the titanium rings with their bare hands before applying the glue😮
@@ChadDidNothingWrongYeah, but that was not the hull used on the imploded Titan. That hull that was filmed was discarded and a new one was built by another company.
And I'll bet you that they used an Impact Wrench/Driver to seat those bolts...More than possible the Impacting of the bolts fractured the adhesive they used to adhere the titanium ring to the carbon fiber pressure hull in the rings "C-Channel" Looking how the view ports been blown out and I say that by looking at the sand that is in the front dome as it's laying on the bottom face down, There looks to be a foot of more of sand that came in when it struck bottom. So just a lay mans opinion, That adhesive was getting worked in two directions... Top to bottom by the increased and decreased pressures of the dives. And the front to back pressure of bolting the main hatch shut and opening on every dive. Very bad for a "Cured" polymer/adhesive indeed!
I wouldn't go down to the Titanic in anything... They all look like things put together in a garage to me. The ocean is deadly. Depths are more deadly.
actually? its called 'normalization of deviance' - all complex systems end this way. Yes, even our nuclear defense system, probably the MOST complex system.
He should have a carbon-fiber tombstone etched with an image of him inside the Titan holding a Playstation game controller. [*not designed or constructed for use in marine environment.]
@@halcyondaystunes well they were mission specialists, because that is what they signed up for. Obviously, OceanGate was using it to circumvent things, but humans are also allowed to think for themselves. If I sign up to be a crash test dummy, is it then really fair of me to complain if the car crashes? I dont actually know what OceanGate told people and how truthful they were about the risk. I am guessing they did not tell the truth. But if they did, then I do believe people should be allowed to put their own life at risk on purpose.
I'm in no way even a novice in this world but if the intent of the experts has been to communicate to the rest of us that this guy was criminally reckless and incompetent, they've been successful. He murdered those people in my opinion.
He used the titanic as a money maker, he really wasn't intrested in the titanic. It was about building something that would make him feel like a god and line his pockets. He didn't care about the poeple, just their money.
Jeff, the “missing bolt”, look at the 12 o’clock position,there is another bolt missing. It looks like when NOT in the water, they only put in every other or less bolts to hold it secure vs all….to save time……still bad practice……as its not a real hatch since they couldn’t get out.
Wouldn’t that put uneven pressure on the carbon fiber as well? Even if they’re evenly spaced out, I can’t imagine it wouldn’t pull the glued pieces enough to damage.
OMG. I am in no way an engineer, but I have worked as a bicycle mechanic. I was taught to bolt everything in symmetrically with the same amount of force. Carbon fiber bikes have very specific torque specs set by the manufacturer and we would use a torque wrench on every carbon fiber frame. Every drive train too. My layman bike mechanic ass knows this is freaking HORRIBLE.
Finally someone else that understands and isn’t starting ridiculous rumors. They only put 1/2 in until they put passengers in, then they put all in. This guys just starting rumors like everyone else that doesn’t know what’s going on.
what interests me here is what effect does the door have on the support ring and consequently the carbon fibre connection. the dome will support the ring and reduce its shrinkage under pressure. for the rear thats fine as its never unbolted but the front dome is removed and put back on repeated, in slightly different places each time. thats going to change how the ring flexes on each dive which changes the strain on the carbon fiber connection.
I believe that rough surface you are seeing around the 9:50 mark is called delamination. looks similar to steel delamination which I am familiar with. Just basic corrosion that causes the steel layers to separate. happens from getting wet or an error in the manufacturing
My close relative was involved in the recovery and investigation of titan. He does telemetry and data studies and there is some things about the descent that is horrifying. It was talked about a month or two after the incident but kind of forgotten about. It will be in the hearing
If its about the fake transcript that was released just a few after, that transcript has been debunked. The hearings had a whole different transcript that had nothing in common with the one that was available a few days after the implosion. The fake one clearly indicated that they were accelerating downward but I have no idea if the real one did as well.
@@andysmith1996 yeah, the only "horrifying" stuff about the descent were from that debunked fake transcript saying they had cracking sounds and whatnot... Not real. I don't believe this crew knew what was coming.... Just lights out.
@@andysmith1996people were talking a lot about how they were going down too fast, so it might more be the data being horrifying to someone familiar with the subject - not the chat.
You know what amuses me about the photo of titan just chilling outside all winter? He actually did put a tarp over the little window. I can just picture him securing that tarp and thinking "yeah....this is enough" and walking right back inside. I'm assuming the window was gone and he was protecting the inside but it still makes me laugh when I see it.
as sick as it seems i would love to see pictures of what remains are after an implosion. trying to grasp what would happen to a human body after such a catastrophic implosion event is pretty interesting.
@@GeTMiXeDuP770 Sorry, my mistake. I thought you were seriously asking why doesn't the technology exist to live stream a camera feed from those depths. I suppose they could have had some external GoPros that might have been able to record the implosion from outside of the pressure vessel.
The pressure at sea level is 1 atmosphere. The pressure of the Titanic is 375 atmospheres. They were a bit further up from the Titanic, but at those levels of pressure, you'd still expect to find mince meat and tomato paste. If that.
This just feels like playing roulette with su*cid, not wanting to know when, and not wanting to go alone, all under the guise of research “innovation” and exploration. Idk how else to describe this level of knowing negligence
I'll never be able to understand how anyone was convinced this thing was safe. It's not made out of the right material and it wasn't even able to meet the required safety margin. Did none of the passengers ask questions!?
There’s nothing wrong with the material. They literally copied a US NAVY sub with the Titan. Carbon fiber works fine in compression if it’s thick enough (and this was). It wasn’t even the carbon fiber that failed anyway….it was that thin little glue interface between the front dome and the carbon fiber that failed. All the criticism in the media about the carbon fiber was based on presumptive ignorance.
@@ChadDidNothingWrong If you're talking about the AUSS the Navy built that was an unmanned sub (Advanced Unmanned Search System). Then I know of the privately owned DeepFlight Challenger but I don't think that thing has ever had a real dive after the owner passed.
@@ChadDidNothingWrong They did not copy it, and the AUSS was unmanned. Numerous engineers have already said it's the wrong material because it's not homogenous and you don't even know how it failed, no one does. Stop talking out of your ass.
@@ChadDidNothingWrong dude stop listening to scott manley. ASUS is not a sub. It is not made of carbon fiber either. It was also 12 feet in length and had no empty space inside. They also x-rayed it after every dive to see if the composite had weakened.
@@TheBigjimable DeepFlight Challenger couldn't even be predicted to last more than one dive. Hence why no one uses carbon fiber for manned submersibles.
as a German Biologist - I wonder - was RUSH getting depressed about his clearly FAILING Business in ALL areas - and as a Depressed - becoming negligent about everything - in a suicidal mood - as Nargeolet clearly was...
P. H. Nargeolet actually said he knew it was dangerous but he didn’t care. If he died aboard it he would at least be going to something he was so passionate about (Titanic) and no longer just a depressed widower. ❤😢
Nargilet might have been a bit depressed, or at least bereft, leading him to make poor choices. Rush, I think was just trying to pay the bills that year. He sold this as one of the only trips anyone would be making to the wreck that year. He was cold calling billionaires. I think he was desperate but I dont think he was despairing yet.
i swear every time i see a video with newly released info/video, it just gets worse and worse. why would they not make sure that thing had all the bolts fastened? or see a bolt missing and be like, nah thats okay. smh. stockton rush was a maniac.
That was the same theory that Scott Manley gave on his u-tube channel, after he watched the first days of the inquiry. I liked his presentation, and he gave some really reasons to back up his thoughts along with video and testament given during the inquiry.
@@localbod So that I do not bungle up Scott's theory, please go check out his video. One short explanation was that he felt the breach came at the top of the front dome. That would of pushed all debris back into the rear hemisphere. That would also be why the front ring and dome were clear of debris. And the force of that pressure coming into the cylinder would of been why the observation window was pushed out of the forward done. He is very good at explaining and showing his reasoning.
Personally, I don't get the fascination with wanting to see the Titanic in a sub.🤦♀🤦♀ It's a wreckage. It's down there. What are you missing except putting your life at risk?? It's not worth it.
I mean why do people skydive, climb Mount Everest, crawl into a dark wet cave they can barely squeeze their bodies through or the countless other acts people do that they know are dangerous, but they do them anyway? I don't know why, but some people have a need to do things that others shy away from.
When I was young I went caving underwater. I did it a few times and then I stopped because I realized that after you have seen a cave, you pretty much have seen them all. Dark holes in the rock. I certainly wouldn't pay $250k to go down and risk my life to look at a shipwreck. I dove to shipwrecks. They are dangerous as he'll even in shallow waters and most of those have been picked clean of interesting artifacts.
well it ain't about how you think or feel esp based off an fringe case. remember before this no lives were lost. James Cameron went down there many times.
I'd really love to know what they did in those 8 hours after they lost contact and before they informed the coast guard. Destroy documents and alter evidence, perhaps? Anyone else thinking this?
I guarantee the US Navy knows the exact moment the sub imploded. The problem is the equipment they heard it on is classified, so that info is locked away.
Yes, 20-40 sec aligns with expert estimates I've seen and LLM calcs from plugging in known data. Descended a few hundred feet more after last comm, imploding near seabed. Likely time spent being fully aware of pending doom. Good god.
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Where are all the pics and videos from those who went on actual titanic dives? Are people afraid to come forward admitting they had gone on dives or what? Like I would like to see actual videos of what it sounded like as the sub went down.
I heard from an ex-Ocean Gate engineer that there was no autoclave curing done at all. What I came to understand was that Stockton essentially stuck it in a large convention oven for a week, and called it good. I’m interested to know who is telling the truth. The presentation from the known liars, or an ex-engineer of the company, who has no stake in it anymore and no reason to lie. This is a very important step in the curing process of the epoxy and carbon fiber. Carbon fiber does not like to be wet, and is porous by nature. The epoxy is supposed to help, and the autoclave curing is how you go about doing this. You MUST get into every single pore, or you are leaving space for water intrusion. At 5,000psi, this is a major concern. More water means more cracks, more cracks means more water.
When I first heard about the Titan, its implosion and that the pressure cylinder was made of carbon fiber resin, the picture in my mind was a resin matrix with microcracking growing and weakening the structure as the fatigue cycling slowly worked its effects. Add to that human screw ups, and this disaster was forceable. There is a reason ABS does not allow for human occupied pressure vessels of that type.
the amount of recorded failures is unbelievable. Stockton Rush had to be financially desperate. the amount of costly mishaps & aborts probably depleted the operating resources. there isnt much else that would drive someone/a business to be so irresponsibly callous. i guess the only redeeming attribute is he didnt send others to their demise without embracing it himself.
@@localbod i get that, its probably poor choice of statement. there are lots of misfits out there that wouldve hired a "mission pilot" to handle the dive rather than risk themselves. i guess i shouldnt be convinced it was an honorable gesture, could very well have been a desperation gesture..
there is a reason why the Russians were charging a million per person to go to the Titanic when they offered trips. Hamish btw had the chance to go to Titanic on Limiting Factor but refused to cover the cost of the support ship going out there. Cost to cover that would have been one million dollars. Limiting Factor was the first manned submersible in 14 years to go to Titanic back in 2019.
Excellent reporting as always. I just learned a new detail about the way the carbon fiber tube section was cured in the autoclave after every inch of hoop wrapping rather than spooling up the entire 5 inch wall diameter and curing/bonding in one go because it might not get to the proper strength internally within the layers. Which has me thinking let's imagine if it the high temp heat curing can fully penetrate into all 5 inches of wrapped cf versus curing it 5 times in 1 inch layers would it make any difference for the compressive strength and overall durability? Would curing 5 1 inch layers separately be different than 1 homogeneous cure. I've never worked or used cf to make anything but my best guess is a multi layer cure for what is essentially a single plane wrapped cf pipe would be limited by the bond strength or joining between each layer after each cure. Were the rolled layers allowed to cooled down after each layer or wrapped hot? Most things made from cf typically have much less cross sectional material tho. the scba tank is also 1 homogeneous cure. Are there any other things made with cf layered up to 5 inches? How much cf material are in million dollar race cars with a cf chassis? Having a 1.25x margin of safety seems kinda low. I actually found luxfer gas cylinders dot sp 10915/10945 user manual about the hydrostatic pressure test is 1.5x the service pressure or working pressure for cf cylinders designed for 5500 psi like the scott air pak 5.5 and burst pressure has to be 3x service pressure. The titan cf pipe would not pass that criteria spec.
The well known RUclipsr DALLYMD has videos of the sub, and his "cancelled" trip for Ocean Gate. Should watch them and see what you can find on those... His trip was supposed to be right before the implosion
Sub submersible it's just easier to say sub. I think we've been told the difference about 1000 times since the tragedy. But thanks for all the info. Awesome video.
There was a plan to not put bolts in the door at all. The idea being pressure would hold it in place. Really, it was to save time loading and unloading passengers.
@@HiDesert004 What's one more insanity in the Asylum. I don't know if the idea was considered with any seriousness, but with Rush's cost cutting mania it wouldn't surprise me if it was.
I feel so bad for his wife and everyone else impacted by the implosion. I still think about this case every day, and your videos are by far my favorite to watch! ❤
@@lowrider81hdagree! She knew of all the corners cut and glaring issues.. everyone on board knew the truth about the fate of the submersible and it’s passengers yet they acted like there was some chance they had survived any issues and had several days worth of oxygen. They knew it was gone from shortly after they lost communication according to crew members..
@@Jennifermcintyre Absolutely. Imagine all the things she knew and didn’t do anything about it and went along with it because all she thought about was fame and money. If Stockton was alive he would be in court facing possible homicide charges. I think his wife should be held accountable in some way. There’s probably a civil lawsuit for wrongful death incoming by the surviving families.
@@Jennifermcintyre I doubt it. I think both their numerous successes and ability to salvage previous failures, along with their (obviously ineffective) risk mitigation protocols bred even more complacency. Reminds me of the "this is a fine fire meme".
Don't feel too bad for his wife, she was sitting right there in all her incompetence moving the project along running communication. She's possibly complicit.
This is an amazing explanation. You should look into UK and worldwide disasters like this. Similarly we have the Grenfell Tower disaster here in the UK.
Well folks also have to store because you cannot leave a boat or ship tied to a dock when a storm rolls in. It will bash and maybe even sink the vessel if you do so. if they are not gonna use the vessel for awhile storage makes good sense. I am surprised they made no attempt to cover the Titan when it was stored outside.
When carbon fibre was first used for fly fishing my dad got one. It snapped, the manufacturers subsequently changed the way the fibre was laid down to cross overs solving the problem. When I saw the first showing of the tubes were constructed it set alarm bells ringing. Also I was always taught when constructing anything a mechanical joint should be used with adhesive to complete the job. Just using glue on in smooth surfaces was the kiss of death. Sadly.
Stockton Rush and OceanGate was a total clown show. What I don’t understand is why we haven’t heard from Wendy Rush. She hasn’t said a word including defending the reputation of her husband. Either she was just along for the ride and a total yes person or she is happy that he’s gone. My guess is she happy he’s gone. What a joke he was.
I think you mixed up the viewpoint bolts with the end cap bolts. It looked like one or two end cap bolts were missing but you showed a pic of the 18 viewport bolts.
The alleged “lighting strike” is something that they needed to ask more about, as grounding is basic…….plus, as you say, it tends to hit highest point and the Titan had that white “Shamu” looking fiberglass around it, so not really much for the lighting to hit…….but i think they had it on the barge vs a ship, in the Bahamas. So much suspect stuff the panel never dives into in the hearing.
No one understands lightning. Books and research on the subject paint a different picture than most people have in their minds on this subject. Look what NASA has at their launch pads now - FOUR towers that extend above a stacked rocket - why do you suppose they do that?
They used 17 because the top one blocked a light. Missing screws there isn’t a big deal because the pressure of the water holds the dome on- not the screws. When they used 4, the titan was dropped onto the support ship which cause the bolts to sheer off under the weight of the 3500 lb done. 4 screws- ok under water- not good out of water. 18 would be ideal for out of water transit, but 17 is probably ok as well and definitely not going to fall off under water. Those screws attach titanium to titanium. The failure likely happened where the titanium ring connected to carbon fiber.
Should not have been able to use this commercially. Use it yourself and take the risk absolutely. The poor people that believed the BS from Stockton is sad. We all get on planes and boats expecting them to be safe.
QUESTION... WHY ARE THERE EIGHTEEN PLACES FOR BOLTS AND LESS THAN EIGHTEEN BOLTS USED? IF A ENGINEER SPECIFIED FASTENING THE DOME WITH EIGHTEEN BOLTS, WHY WERE LESS THAN EIGHTEEN EVER USED? SEEMS TO BE TOTAL NEGLECT....
Im happy to see your channel has grown tremendously since I began watching during the Miami building collapse. I appreciate your good work and im glad to see others do too.
Im not sure who said it but I think it was Dr. Simon Boxwell who said you get a driver's license to drive a car but you don't need a license to operate a private boat or training and that most deaths happen because they're not properly trained or have no knowledge whatsoever to operate their vessels.
Incorrect. Pleasure Craft Operating Licenses do exist. I had one... when I was a teen. They _test_ you on the standard safety of their operations... and they assume you know how to drive a vehicle, so you can figure out how to drive a boat _safely_ with the test you pass. For larger boats, additional certificates are required.
The strap remained in place from the surface where it was put on. That part of the craft was not affected by the pressure at depth and was simply separated from the pressure vessel or what remains of the pressure vessel.
Probably not so fun fact: Wendy Rush (Stockton Rush's widow) is the great-great-granddaughter of Isidor and Ida Straus, one of the most famous couples to have died in the Titanic disaster.
I almost spit my coffee out my nose when you said they only used 4 bolts! I've seen low pressure tubes use the same amount of bolts and sometimes those leak and they only used 4!? Man, pure intentional negligence, he FAFOd and deserves the millennium Darwin Award, I only feel sorry for the poor souls that followed him to their deaths, but even then they should've been a little more informed about what they were about to do.
Maybe hair would survive? Regarding the composite winding, in making epoxy "river tables" you have a problem with heat versus thickness. The epoxy setting doesn't require air but is exothermic, so if you pour too great a thickness you will get heat buildup which can crack the epoxy. They use slow cure/deep pour epoxies which take several days to set, and the real pros use cooled tables for the setting process. If you let it set, however, you are not going to get a chemical bond with the next layer, and you must abrade the surface before applying the next layer to get a _mechanical_ bond. In this application, there is the obvious question of differential stress/strain in the layers, and between the CF and the rings, inducing shear stress/strain along the mechanical bond and causing progressive separation of the bond. I guess the CF experts will know how much if at all that applies here.
Ceo of ocean gate can't call Stockton to order and will compromise to him because they are married! Never good to have couples working together at such a level.
Rush had previously said he leaves one bolt out because it's too hard to access or words to that effect. Never realised he'd dived with more than one missing 😮 As for what kind of sub it is, it was clearly a sub-standard 😢
The real time audio sensors are one of the dumbest shits I ever heard. When you are at over 3000 meter depth, re-surfacing takes HOURS. So EVEN IF one would hear cracking noises through this cartoonishly silly system, you could hear it CONTINUE to crack all the way until you are DEAD. Also, few people seem to speak of the fact that they had drilled screws right into the carbon fiber hull in order to attach a monitor inside the submersible. This way, they not only created a point of weakness, but they from a point of simple logic rendered every single layer of carbon fiber these screws penetrated ABSOLUTELY AND ENTIRELY USELESS!!!
If people knew of the failures, cost-cuts, and the outrageous storage of the vessel idk if ANYONE would have forked over cash to get in that piece of garbage. There will always be daring idiots who would probably ride for free, but no person would pay a quarter mil for a literal game of Russian roulette.
@@uploadJ if Titan were simply for Rush and his cronies to go submerging themselves for "research" then I'd have no problem with Oceangate. Rush was smart enough to trick people into believing Titan was legit and he was such a narcissist that he eventually believed it himself.
@@jdaniel3068 re: "Rush was smart enough to trick people" Adults, who signed waivers; I guess you feel ppl need supervision by a higher authority? There was no coercion involved that anyone is aware of. Sorry, freedoms also have risks, sometimes unseen risks.
What you didn’t mention was when the Titan was left outside for the winter it was in St John’s. It may not have affected the CF as much but the Titanium would have had the effects of the temperatures. Also can salinity damage carbon fibre? and if so was it “cleaned” off with fresh water after every trip out to sea. Did the “salty air” affect the CF when it was parked up. Also I think they needed to have autoclaved it more than every inch. Every half inch, or every cm. Can’t over cure something, but can under cure. Anyway interesting chats on the USCG live chat last week 😅
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"Video Category: (🗝) Howto & Style" made me chuckle.
there are two bolts missing in that clip you showed not just one.
Considering how this was put together and their lax attitude towards safety, it's amazing that it went down and came back from those depths twelve times.
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God had enough. He was done intervening.
@@zarasbazaar what amazes me are the people who clammored.
Agreed
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Thank you to everyone who submitted the pictures and videos to Jeff so we can all see them and thank you Jeff for putting this information out!
Too bad we can’t rely corporate news media for this stuff anymore
These are so much better without background music.
Your voice totally carries the presentation.
Amen. We can only hope this trend continues. The guy that does the titanic 3d/cgi animations is similar - voice carries the video.
True actually normally though it depends on the music
I am absolutely blown away by learning the Titan was stored outside, without protection, and in New Foundland winter weather. Unbelievable!
After bouncing along in the ocean on the way there!
Criminal negligence is a galactic understatement.
Yeah, I'm not quite sure there's a word for how insanely dangerous this was
Stockton Rush still sounds like the name of a Bioshock villain to me.
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My brother calls him
"shock ton crush "
hilarious but sad
Haha perfectly fits the atmosphere as well
Sounds like someone in a big hurry to go nowhere
I’m just blown away that he survived as long as he did.
It's appalling that an epoxy based vessel was left outside in the Canadian winter.. did Stockton ever study what happens when water freezes inside tiny fissures?
@@HarryFlashmanVC corrosive sea water to boot..
this mans ego mustve been completely over the top. "If i engineered it must be worthy, even if i apply 0 common sense & dont believe it myself"
@@ToobzillaI wasn’t sure why people were so mad, but after seeing it left outside in the winter…
Yeah… he was definitely not making smart decisions to say the least.
Money money money, costs nothing to stick it in a car park for months, just imagine the effect the cycles of temp variation had on the 'glue'?! Thats your failure right there surely, ***king glued on ends!!!! Just mind boggling idiocy
My only guess is that he's from the west coast and spent a lot of time in and around Seattle, where we have a lot of composite boats and not a lot of freezing days. The man lacked common sense in every other regard, so it wouldn't surprise me to hear that, indeed, he didn't think about freezing.
Thats why it was rhino lined duh. 🫸🙄
“Mission specialists” is just a title to work around them not being allowed to take passengers… they are just high paying passengers. It’s part of the delusion of being professionals.
Don't forget those high-paying MS also have to pass the one crucial qualification: "not being too big to fit inside the sub,."
I wish the hearing would have called them passengers and corrected the phrase anytime it was used.
The policy of calling paying passengers Mission Specialists should have warned any of the intelligent people involved, including the passengers themselves, to keep far away from this operation. It's almost like trafficking women and calling them Hospitality Specialists.
I have been waiting, Jeff. Thank you. Contraption, that is a great name for it. It is the Ocean Gate Contraption.
One of the witnesses - owner of Triton Submarines - called it a contraption during his testimony and the way he spit out that descriptor, you could tell what he wanted to call it was a POS.
There’s actually 2 bolts missing. One right by that motorized actuator, light, camera, or whatever it is on top and it’s to the left of the one you pointed out. Thats quite a long distance between bolts but I’d bet he would say it doesn’t matter because the pressure is pushing in and not pulling out. It’s still unbelievable and there is zero excuse for this guy to put all these peoples lives at risk like that.
Why is there a ratchet strap holding it together?
The video you see there is when it is above water. When it goes under water they bolt the front hatch closed. I wouldn’t be surprised if when transporting the submersible they only put some of the bolts in just to hold the front end in place.
Who knows though. Without seeing it go under water it’s hard to say if they put all the bolts in for the dive
I saw that too, I bet every other bolt was missing. "good enough for a billionaire"
@@PilotChris And, you end up in a toothpaste tube with the obscenely wealthy who can't seem to spare the money to replace welded rusty pipe with better drop weights, and even if you surface, if you run out of oxygen you could still die. What could go wrong? I am glad I'm not rich, because absolutely not no matter what you paid me. That guy reminds me of my uncle, someone who managed to fail upwards far enough to develop a grandiose sense of self. Hubris kills.
Yep saw that too
I would argue the glue joints were full of voids due to poor glue application and surface prep. Then when the sub was dropped causing the forward dome bolts to shear off it severely damaged the glue joint. Dives to depth only made this worse and I would wager that voids in the glue were the source of the popping sounds heard.
It was that tiny glue interface that looks to have failed.
I don’t understand why they didn’t extend the ring sleeves another few inches to give more surface area for the glue interface.
Those sleeves where the glue was applied looked so damn small….barely a few inches max.
Oh and they were also touching the titanium rings with their bare hands before applying the glue😮
@@ChadDidNothingWrongYeah, but that was not the hull used on the imploded Titan. That hull that was filmed was discarded and a new one was built by another company.
All of this is irrelevant. The whole basic design and materials was just bad.
@@mercoid Absolutely! It was a poor material choice. Carbon fiber is not very strong in compression.
Dropping the weights made the hull unstable and 6 seconds later..
Duuuude. Im only a little bit in ... but 4 bolts?! Im flabbergasted.
And I'll bet you that they used an Impact Wrench/Driver to seat those bolts...More than possible the Impacting of the bolts fractured the adhesive they used to adhere the titanium ring to the carbon fiber pressure hull in the rings "C-Channel" Looking how the view ports been blown out and I say that by looking at the sand that is in the front dome as it's laying on the bottom face down, There looks to be a foot of more of sand that came in when it struck bottom. So just a lay mans opinion, That adhesive was getting worked in two directions...
Top to bottom by the increased and decreased pressures of the dives. And the front to back pressure of bolting the main hatch shut and opening on every dive. Very bad for a "Cured"
polymer/adhesive indeed!
How did anyone still go down in that thing, that submersible looks like science project it looks like something put together in someone's garage.
I wouldn't go down to the Titanic in anything... They all look like things put together in a garage to me.
The ocean is deadly. Depths are more deadly.
Yeah, but it had been down there 12 times, so I guess they thought it was safe. Most people don’t understand material fatigue.
When people throw money at you for doing your own thing all your life, you don’t think properly.
@@volvo09 look up Limiting Factor. There are vids of it being constructed that show it wasn't put in a garage. Cost 27 million to make.
A number of people said hell no when they saw it and Oceangate just pocked the non refundable deposit.
The aviation industry has a name for this: tombstone technology.
FACTS
actually? its called 'normalization of deviance' - all complex systems end this way.
Yes, even our nuclear defense system, probably the MOST complex system.
Good term
Davey Jones technology is what they should call it for underwater hubris.
He should have a carbon-fiber tombstone etched with an image of him inside the Titan holding a Playstation game controller.
[*not designed or constructed for use in marine environment.]
And stop calling the paid customers mission specialists.
They were labelled that by the company to circumvent safety regs.
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Yep, they were tourists, brave? Yes. Victims ? Certainly.
@@halcyondaystunes well they were mission specialists, because that is what they signed up for. Obviously, OceanGate was using it to circumvent things, but humans are also allowed to think for themselves.
If I sign up to be a crash test dummy, is it then really fair of me to complain if the car crashes? I dont actually know what OceanGate told people and how truthful they were about the risk. I am guessing they did not tell the truth. But if they did, then I do believe people should be allowed to put their own life at risk on purpose.
Every time I thought it couldn't get worse, it did
I think my brain shut off when they said they used glue. I just couldn't believe they used glue
I was shocked when it was revealed the hull was wound like a spool of thread.
yes like a roll of toilet paper.
Me, too. Don't they generally cross weave during laydown?
@@harrietharlow9929 You would think they would have done that at minimum.
That’s just how carbon fiber works tbf, you wind it then coat in epoxy
@@markusgorelli5278according to the CG documents, it was 2 hoop layers, and then one layer going longways, repeated.
I'm in no way even a novice in this world but if the intent of the experts has been to communicate to the rest of us that this guy was criminally reckless and incompetent, they've been successful. He murdered those people in my opinion.
God I can't stop watching your videos. I'm hooked. Anytime I see a notification I'm RUSHING to watch as stockton rushed to make some titanic money.
He's making more money dead than alive. What a guy. 😂
Did not know God made videos.
He used the titanic as a money maker, he really wasn't intrested in the titanic. It was about building something that would make him feel like a god and line his pockets. He didn't care about the poeple, just their money.
Jeff, the “missing bolt”, look at the 12 o’clock position,there is another bolt missing. It looks like when NOT in the water, they only put in every other or less bolts to hold it secure vs all….to save time……still bad practice……as its not a real hatch since they couldn’t get out.
i think , as pointed out in commentary, only 4 of the 16..
Wouldn’t that put uneven pressure on the carbon fiber as well? Even if they’re evenly spaced out, I can’t imagine it wouldn’t pull the glued pieces enough to damage.
OMG. I am in no way an engineer, but I have worked as a bicycle mechanic. I was taught to bolt everything in symmetrically with the same amount of force. Carbon fiber bikes have very specific torque specs set by the manufacturer and we would use a torque wrench on every carbon fiber frame. Every drive train too. My layman bike mechanic ass knows this is freaking HORRIBLE.
Finally someone else that understands and isn’t starting ridiculous rumors. They only put 1/2 in until they put passengers in, then they put all in. This guys just starting rumors like everyone else that doesn’t know what’s going on.
I heard that that video is right before a dive too and that's NOT just on there to quickly transport.
what interests me here is what effect does the door have on the support ring and consequently the carbon fibre connection. the dome will support the ring and reduce its shrinkage under pressure. for the rear thats fine as its never unbolted but the front dome is removed and put back on repeated, in slightly different places each time. thats going to change how the ring flexes on each dive which changes the strain on the carbon fiber connection.
That's a good point..he's used that rhino lining and it looks great but once applied you can't inspect the integrity of main compartment
Used the same stuff to line my truck bed lol
@@TheBigjimableYeah I've got Line-X. Great for bed protection. Not so great for sealing something going down 12,000 ft I presume😮
I believe that rough surface you are seeing around the 9:50 mark is called delamination. looks similar to steel delamination which I am familiar with. Just basic corrosion that causes the steel layers to separate. happens from getting wet or an error in the manufacturing
Totally criminal. Betcha ol' Stockton didn't tell his "passengers" that he left the Titan outside, uncovered all winter.
My close relative was involved in the recovery and investigation of titan. He does telemetry and data studies and there is some things about the descent that is horrifying. It was talked about a month or two after the incident but kind of forgotten about. It will be in the hearing
Can you elaborate about what was horrifying?
If its about the fake transcript that was released just a few after, that transcript has been debunked. The hearings had a whole different transcript that had nothing in common with the one that was available a few days after the implosion. The fake one clearly indicated that they were accelerating downward but I have no idea if the real one did as well.
@@famousamoso7 The communications have already been released and they don't show anything horrifying. I'm betting this poster is just making this up.
@@andysmith1996 yeah, the only "horrifying" stuff about the descent were from that debunked fake transcript saying they had cracking sounds and whatnot...
Not real.
I don't believe this crew knew what was coming.... Just lights out.
@@andysmith1996people were talking a lot about how they were going down too fast, so it might more be the data being horrifying to someone familiar with the subject - not the chat.
Contraption is definitely the right word for it!!!
You know what amuses me about the photo of titan just chilling outside all winter? He actually did put a tarp over the little window. I can just picture him securing that tarp and thinking "yeah....this is enough" and walking right back inside. I'm assuming the window was gone and he was protecting the inside but it still makes me laugh when I see it.
as sick as it seems i would love to see pictures of what remains are after an implosion. trying to grasp what would happen to a human body after such a catastrophic implosion event is pretty interesting.
You aren't alone. I'm still sitting here wondering how these things aren't live streamed. It's 2024
@@GeTMiXeDuP770 And how exactly would you live stream through thousands of meters of sea water?
@@localbod it's called I just want to see how it happened
@@GeTMiXeDuP770 Sorry, my mistake.
I thought you were seriously asking why doesn't the technology exist to live stream a camera feed from those depths.
I suppose they could have had some external GoPros that might have been able to record the implosion from outside of the pressure vessel.
The pressure at sea level is 1 atmosphere. The pressure of the Titanic is 375 atmospheres.
They were a bit further up from the Titanic, but at those levels of pressure, you'd still expect to find mince meat and tomato paste. If that.
If was on a mission and saw that electrical connection box, that would have been due to ask for an immediate refund! Scary stuff!
This just feels like playing roulette with su*cid, not wanting to know when, and not wanting to go alone, all under the guise of research “innovation” and exploration. Idk how else to describe this level of knowing negligence
He used Rhino Liner when he should have used Flex Seal. Lessons learned.
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'That's alotta' damage!'
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Stockton Rush heard the expression 'err on the side of caution' and made it his life mission to ignore it as much as possible.
I'll never be able to understand how anyone was convinced this thing was safe. It's not made out of the right material and it wasn't even able to meet the required safety margin. Did none of the passengers ask questions!?
There’s nothing wrong with the material. They literally copied a US NAVY sub with the Titan.
Carbon fiber works fine in compression if it’s thick enough (and this was).
It wasn’t even the carbon fiber that failed anyway….it was that thin little glue interface between the front dome and the carbon fiber that failed. All the criticism in the media about the carbon fiber was based on presumptive ignorance.
@@ChadDidNothingWrong If you're talking about the AUSS the Navy built that was an unmanned sub (Advanced Unmanned Search System). Then I know of the privately owned DeepFlight Challenger but I don't think that thing has ever had a real dive after the owner passed.
@@ChadDidNothingWrong They did not copy it, and the AUSS was unmanned. Numerous engineers have already said it's the wrong material because it's not homogenous and you don't even know how it failed, no one does. Stop talking out of your ass.
@@ChadDidNothingWrong dude stop listening to scott manley. ASUS is not a sub. It is not made of carbon fiber either. It was also 12 feet in length and had no empty space inside. They also x-rayed it after every dive to see if the composite had weakened.
@@TheBigjimable DeepFlight Challenger couldn't even be predicted to last more than one dive. Hence why no one uses carbon fiber for manned submersibles.
as a German Biologist - I wonder - was RUSH getting depressed about his clearly FAILING Business in ALL areas - and as a Depressed - becoming negligent about everything - in a suicidal mood - as Nargeolet clearly was...
@raginald7mars408 I could be wrong, but I don't really think so. He had all sorts of plans in the works.
I have been wondering the same, that this in reality have been a kind of a suicide or close to it
What about being a German Biologist makes you curious about these exact things?
P. H. Nargeolet actually said he knew it was dangerous but he didn’t care. If he died aboard it he would at least be going to something he was so passionate about (Titanic) and no longer just a depressed widower. ❤😢
Nargilet might have been a bit depressed, or at least bereft, leading him to make poor choices.
Rush, I think was just trying to pay the bills that year. He sold this as one of the only trips anyone would be making to the wreck that year. He was cold calling billionaires. I think he was desperate but I dont think he was despairing yet.
█ Thanks for putting it with Audio in Spanish Great Report!
i swear every time i see a video with newly released info/video, it just gets worse and worse. why would they not make sure that thing had all the bolts fastened? or see a bolt missing and be like, nah thats okay. smh. stockton rush was a maniac.
Awesome video, as always! Thanks for all of your work on this project.
I think most of the bodies have been shoved and compressed into aft dome where all the delaminated debris is.
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That was the same theory that Scott Manley gave on his u-tube channel, after he watched the first days of the inquiry. I liked his presentation, and he gave some really reasons to back up his thoughts along with video and testament given during the inquiry.
@@ronfullerton3162 Really what reasons?
And eaten?
@@localbod So that I do not bungle up Scott's theory, please go check out his video. One short explanation was that he felt the breach came at the top of the front dome. That would of pushed all debris back into the rear hemisphere. That would also be why the front ring and dome were clear of debris. And the force of that pressure coming into the cylinder would of been why the observation window was pushed out of the forward done. He is very good at explaining and showing his reasoning.
Personally, I don't get the fascination with wanting to see the Titanic in a sub.🤦♀🤦♀ It's a wreckage. It's down there. What are you missing except putting your life at risk?? It's not worth it.
some folks just have a lot of money to spend. but im with you. ill just stay up in my living room and watch videos on youtube about the titanic.
I mean why do people skydive, climb Mount Everest, crawl into a dark wet cave they can barely squeeze their bodies through or the countless other acts people do that they know are dangerous, but they do them anyway? I don't know why, but some people have a need to do things that others shy away from.
When I was young I went caving underwater. I did it a few times and then I stopped because I realized that after you have seen a cave, you pretty much have seen them all. Dark holes in the rock.
I certainly wouldn't pay $250k to go down and risk my life to look at a shipwreck. I dove to shipwrecks. They are dangerous as he'll even in shallow waters and most of those have been picked clean of interesting artifacts.
I think typically it is quite safe, but Stockton Rush was determined to be exceptional.
well it ain't about how you think or feel esp based off an fringe case. remember before this no lives were lost. James Cameron went down there many times.
I'd really love to know what they did in those 8 hours after they lost contact and before they informed the coast guard. Destroy documents and alter evidence, perhaps? Anyone else thinking this?
I feel so bad for the mother of the one kid. I can't imagine how scared she must have been and it's likely no one was saying anything
I think pings were 3 per minute every 20 seconds so safe to say implosion was within a 20 second window of that final ping.
I guarantee the US Navy knows the exact moment the sub imploded. The problem is the equipment they heard it on is classified, so that info is locked away.
Hmm. But I see coincidence with dropping the weights and irritating the hull.
Yes, 20-40 sec aligns with expert estimates I've seen and LLM calcs from plugging in known data. Descended a few hundred feet more after last comm, imploding near seabed. Likely time spent being fully aware of pending doom. Good god.
it says right there in the navy files the polar prince received a ping from titan every 5-10 seconds , cant you guys read?
@@makavelisibiu1990 ⚡BREAKING NEWS⚡Researchers discover virtually _any_ point can be made without being a complete ballsack about it [Developing story]
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Where are all the pics and videos from those who went on actual titanic dives? Are people afraid to come forward admitting they had gone on dives or what? Like I would like to see actual videos of what it sounded like as the sub went down.
NDA's?
I heard from an ex-Ocean Gate engineer that there was no autoclave curing done at all. What I came to understand was that Stockton essentially stuck it in a large convention oven for a week, and called it good. I’m interested to know who is telling the truth. The presentation from the known liars, or an ex-engineer of the company, who has no stake in it anymore and no reason to lie.
This is a very important step in the curing process of the epoxy and carbon fiber. Carbon fiber does not like to be wet, and is porous by nature. The epoxy is supposed to help, and the autoclave curing is how you go about doing this. You MUST get into every single pore, or you are leaving space for water intrusion. At 5,000psi, this is a major concern. More water means more cracks, more cracks means more water.
Great video!! 😊
Thank you for the exclusive video!
Nice work☆
When I first heard about the Titan, its implosion and that the pressure cylinder was made of carbon fiber resin, the picture in my mind was a resin matrix with microcracking growing and weakening the structure as the fatigue cycling slowly worked its effects. Add to that human screw ups, and this disaster was forceable. There is a reason ABS does not allow for human occupied pressure vessels of that type.
Rush was playing Russian Roulette with Titan. He got lucky 13 times, failed on the 14th.
the amount of recorded failures is unbelievable.
Stockton Rush had to be financially desperate. the amount of costly mishaps & aborts probably depleted the operating resources.
there isnt much else that would drive someone/a business to be so irresponsibly callous. i guess the only redeeming attribute is he didnt send others to their demise without embracing it himself.
He was probably suffering financially
Not very redeeming but I take your point.
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@@localbod i get that, its probably poor choice of statement. there are lots of misfits out there that wouldve hired a "mission pilot" to handle the dive rather than risk themselves. i guess i shouldnt be convinced it was an honorable gesture, could very well have been a desperation gesture..
there is a reason why the Russians were charging a million per person to go to the Titanic when they offered trips. Hamish btw had the chance to go to Titanic on Limiting Factor but refused to cover the cost of the support ship going out there. Cost to cover that would have been one million dollars.
Limiting Factor was the first manned submersible in 14 years to go to Titanic back in 2019.
Excellent reporting as always. I just learned a new detail about the way the carbon fiber tube section was cured in the autoclave after every inch of hoop wrapping rather than spooling up the entire 5 inch wall diameter and curing/bonding in one go because it might not get to the proper strength internally within the layers.
Which has me thinking let's imagine if it the high temp heat curing can fully penetrate into all 5 inches of wrapped cf versus curing it 5 times in 1 inch layers would it make any difference for the compressive strength and overall durability? Would curing 5 1 inch layers separately be different than 1 homogeneous cure.
I've never worked or used cf to make anything but my best guess is a multi layer cure for what is essentially a single plane wrapped cf pipe would be limited by the bond strength or joining between each layer after each cure. Were the rolled layers allowed to cooled down after each layer or wrapped hot? Most things made from cf typically have much less cross sectional material tho. the scba tank is also 1 homogeneous cure. Are there any other things made with cf layered up to 5 inches? How much cf material are in million dollar race cars with a cf chassis?
Having a 1.25x margin of safety seems kinda low. I actually found luxfer gas cylinders dot sp 10915/10945 user manual about the hydrostatic pressure test is 1.5x the service pressure or working pressure for cf cylinders designed for 5500 psi like the scott air pak 5.5 and burst pressure has to be 3x service pressure. The titan cf pipe would not pass that criteria spec.
Thanks for your hard work!
The well known RUclipsr DALLYMD has videos of the sub, and his "cancelled" trip for Ocean Gate. Should watch them and see what you can find on those... His trip was supposed to be right before the implosion
This is a really good channel for information 👍👍👍
8:02 fiber composite are not strong on compression, only stretching. Easy to look up, I believe there even was a video on this
Sub submersible it's just easier to say sub. I think we've been told the difference about 1000 times since the tragedy. But thanks for all the info. Awesome video.
There was a plan to not put bolts in the door at all. The idea being pressure would hold it in place. Really, it was to save time loading and unloading passengers.
That sounds insane.
@@HiDesert004 What's one more insanity in the Asylum. I don't know if the idea was considered with any seriousness, but with Rush's cost cutting mania it wouldn't surprise me if it was.
It looks like the Titan submersible was assembled in a garden shed.
I feel so bad for his wife and everyone else impacted by the implosion. I still think about this case every day, and your videos are by far my favorite to watch! ❤
I don’t feel bad for his wife. She knew the failing numbers. She was complicit.
@@lowrider81hdagree! She knew of all the corners cut and glaring issues.. everyone on board knew the truth about the fate of the submersible and it’s passengers yet they acted like there was some chance they had survived any issues and had several days worth of oxygen. They knew it was gone from shortly after they lost communication according to crew members..
@@Jennifermcintyre Absolutely. Imagine all the things she knew and didn’t do anything about it and went along with it because all she thought about was fame and money.
If Stockton was alive he would be in court facing possible homicide charges. I think his wife should be held accountable in some way. There’s probably a civil lawsuit for wrongful death incoming by the surviving families.
@@Jennifermcintyre I doubt it. I think both their numerous successes and ability to salvage previous failures, along with their (obviously ineffective) risk mitigation protocols bred even more complacency. Reminds me of the "this is a fine fire meme".
Don't feel too bad for his wife, she was sitting right there in all her incompetence moving the project along running communication. She's possibly complicit.
I'd have about as much confidence in visiting the Titanic wreckage in the Oscar M. wiener mobile. What a preventable tragedy.
This is an amazing explanation. You should look into UK and worldwide disasters like this. Similarly we have the Grenfell Tower disaster here in the UK.
No mercy for lady Rush........due to negligence she also lost 4 PAX.
Excellent video thank🎉
Hope you sent this to the coast guard!!
Knowing how Stockton liked to hide failures from his clients id say the Rhino lining was applied to HIDE defects.
If this is never before seen footage, it's negligent to not have submitted this to the investigation that was going on
Well folks also have to store because you cannot leave a boat or ship tied to a dock when a storm rolls in. It will bash and maybe even sink the vessel if you do so. if they are not gonna use the vessel for awhile storage makes good sense. I am surprised they made no attempt to cover the Titan when it was stored outside.
When carbon fibre was first used for fly fishing my dad got one. It snapped, the manufacturers subsequently changed the way the fibre was laid down to cross overs solving the problem. When I saw the first showing of the tubes were constructed it set alarm bells ringing. Also I was always taught when constructing anything a mechanical joint should be used with adhesive to complete the job. Just using glue on in smooth surfaces was the kiss of death. Sadly.
Stockton Rush and OceanGate was a total clown show. What I don’t understand is why we haven’t heard from Wendy Rush. She hasn’t said a word including defending the reputation of her husband. Either she was just along for the ride and a total yes person or she is happy that he’s gone. My guess is she happy he’s gone. What a joke he was.
This suggests that it was a desperate mission. Frightening.
When you say “no” to a rich person…….they get a little cray cray….
He wasn't making money on it and I bet this was their last chance to try and get investors.
@@rosesweetcharlotte Yep "make or break", and we know which way it went...
You have the most calming voice ever!! Cool video...
I think you mixed up the viewpoint bolts with the end cap bolts. It looked like one or two end cap bolts were missing but you showed a pic of the 18 viewport bolts.
The alleged “lighting strike” is something that they needed to ask more about, as grounding is basic…….plus, as you say, it tends to hit highest point and the Titan had that white “Shamu” looking fiberglass around it, so not really much for the lighting to hit…….but i think they had it on the barge vs a ship, in the Bahamas. So much suspect stuff the panel never dives into in the hearing.
No one understands lightning. Books and research on the subject paint a different picture than most people have in their minds on this subject. Look what NASA has at their launch pads now - FOUR towers that extend above a stacked rocket - why do you suppose they do that?
They used 17 because the top one blocked a light. Missing screws there isn’t a big deal because the pressure of the water holds the dome on- not the screws. When they used 4, the titan was dropped onto the support ship which cause the bolts to sheer off under the weight of the 3500 lb done. 4 screws- ok under water- not good out of water. 18 would be ideal for out of water transit, but 17 is probably ok as well and definitely not going to fall off under water. Those screws attach titanium to titanium. The failure likely happened where the titanium ring connected to carbon fiber.
Well said
Should not have been able to use this commercially. Use it yourself and take the risk absolutely. The poor people that believed the BS from Stockton is sad. We all get on planes and boats expecting them to be safe.
there's no video recovered from any cameras or cellphones?
Those phones are probably gone
@@Cessna152fulThe phones are blue paste now
Idk if a cell phone would survive that amount of force
@@blockstacker5614a Nokia 3310 would, but alas, no camera
Thanks so much.This is still a sad Tragedy😢
QUESTION... WHY ARE THERE EIGHTEEN PLACES FOR BOLTS AND LESS THAN EIGHTEEN BOLTS USED? IF A ENGINEER SPECIFIED FASTENING THE DOME WITH EIGHTEEN BOLTS, WHY WERE LESS THAN EIGHTEEN EVER USED? SEEMS TO BE TOTAL NEGLECT....
The missing bolt is a feature not a bug. They didn't bother using all the bolts because they felt it made no difference.
Those bolts have to be removed to allow "mission specialists" enter the Titan and are installed by crew from outside.
Im happy to see your channel has grown tremendously since I began watching during the Miami building collapse. I appreciate your good work and im glad to see others do too.
Im not sure who said it but I think it was Dr. Simon Boxwell who said you get a driver's license to drive a car but you don't need a license to operate a private boat or training and that most deaths happen because they're not properly trained or have no knowledge whatsoever to operate their vessels.
Incorrect. Pleasure Craft Operating Licenses do exist. I had one... when I was a teen. They _test_ you on the standard safety of their operations... and they assume you know how to drive a vehicle, so you can figure out how to drive a boat _safely_ with the test you pass. For larger boats, additional certificates are required.
And this was supposed to be a selling point of Oceangate, that you wouldn't need to train pilots
@@aralornwolf3140we are talking about for international waters which is how Stockton was able to operate the Titian anyway.
Love your videos. 💜
Have you given your thoughts on how a ratchet strap was placed around the faring in the video from 5000 feet deep?
12,500ft*
The strap remained in place from the surface where it was put on. That part of the craft was not affected by the pressure at depth and was simply separated from the pressure vessel or what remains of the pressure vessel.
@@localbod LOL Ok 🤣
Think it was on it before it went down. For good luck and to hold it together. Nutz
Probably not so fun fact: Wendy Rush (Stockton Rush's widow) is the great-great-granddaughter of Isidor and Ida Straus, one of the most famous couples to have died in the Titanic disaster.
and they stayed so other younger people could get on the lifeboats.
Didn't their engineer testify that they used an oven instead of an autoclave.
I almost spit my coffee out my nose when you said they only used 4 bolts!
I've seen low pressure tubes use the same amount of bolts and sometimes those leak and they only used 4!? Man, pure intentional negligence, he FAFOd and deserves the millennium Darwin Award, I only feel sorry for the poor souls that followed him to their deaths, but even then they should've been a little more informed about what they were about to do.
That sub looks like it was made for a high school science project.
no, HS science projects are generally supervised and get graded
Maybe hair would survive? Regarding the composite winding, in making epoxy "river tables" you have a problem with heat versus thickness. The epoxy setting doesn't require air but is exothermic, so if you pour too great a thickness you will get heat buildup which can crack the epoxy. They use slow cure/deep pour epoxies which take several days to set, and the real pros use cooled tables for the setting process. If you let it set, however, you are not going to get a chemical bond with the next layer, and you must abrade the surface before applying the next layer to get a _mechanical_ bond. In this application, there is the obvious question of differential stress/strain in the layers, and between the CF and the rings, inducing shear stress/strain along the mechanical bond and causing progressive separation of the bond. I guess the CF experts will know how much if at all that applies here.
They abused TF out of that little sub..... :(
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Ceo of ocean gate can't call Stockton to order and will compromise to him because they are married! Never good to have couples working together at such a level.
Rush had previously said he leaves one bolt out because it's too hard to access or words to that effect. Never realised he'd dived with more than one missing 😮
As for what kind of sub it is, it was clearly a sub-standard 😢
A total disregard of safety of any kind, hubris and stupidity. These people at OceanGate were insane.
And money-hungry.
Excellent content Jeff!
The real time audio sensors are one of the dumbest shits I ever heard. When you are at over 3000 meter depth, re-surfacing takes HOURS. So EVEN IF one would hear cracking noises through this cartoonishly silly system, you could hear it CONTINUE to crack all the way until you are DEAD.
Also, few people seem to speak of the fact that they had drilled screws right into the carbon fiber hull in order to attach a monitor inside the submersible.
This way, they not only created a point of weakness, but they from a point of simple logic rendered every single layer of carbon fiber these screws penetrated ABSOLUTELY AND ENTIRELY USELESS!!!
Love these vids great work
If people knew of the failures, cost-cuts, and the outrageous storage of the vessel idk if ANYONE would have forked over cash to get in that piece of garbage.
There will always be daring idiots who would probably ride for free, but no person would pay a quarter mil for a literal game of Russian roulette.
Look what people built for 'flying machines' after the Wright Brothers did their thing, many lives were lost there too.
@@uploadJ if Titan were simply for Rush and his cronies to go submerging themselves for "research" then I'd have no problem with Oceangate.
Rush was smart enough to trick people into believing Titan was legit and he was such a narcissist that he eventually believed it himself.
@@jdaniel3068 re: "Rush was smart enough to trick people"
Adults, who signed waivers; I guess you feel ppl need supervision by a higher authority? There was no coercion involved that anyone is aware of. Sorry, freedoms also have risks, sometimes unseen risks.
What you didn’t mention was when the Titan was left outside for the winter it was in St John’s. It may not have affected the CF as much but the Titanium would have had the effects of the temperatures.
Also can salinity damage carbon fibre? and if so was it “cleaned” off with fresh water after every trip out to sea. Did the “salty air” affect the CF when it was parked up.
Also I think they needed to have autoclaved it more than every inch. Every half inch, or every cm. Can’t over cure something, but can under cure.
Anyway interesting chats on the USCG live chat last week 😅
I saw lots of videos on the Ocean Gate YT channel. Unfortunately, they deleted all videos.
Great to know they are deleting comments simply saying Paranormal ghost videos are not real by default. Good work!