Let's Talk About The (Countless) Shipping Controversies
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Shipping has changed from how it was in the past. Way back when you'd just say whatever character you love and that'd be the end of it. But now it feels like saying that might very well enter you into a war. And even if you don't pay attention to the space, you've probably heard about the all of the controverises that have come from it. Either debates on if a ship is morally correct or people doing anything they can to make the pairing they love canon. For better or for worse, to many this is what shipping looks like nowadays.
My Discord: / discord
My Twitch: / tsunul
I'm a proud ESGOO x Tsunul Shipper
Bruh, since both Tsunul and Esgoo fanfic exists, it could be possible.
True it’s a good ship but Tsunul x Weldever is peak as well
True enemies to lovers
Sinclair x Tsunul.
@ at this point, Tonsil has a harem of men at his call, how selfish
(I MEAN THIS AS A JOKE 😭)
ESGOO x Woman ends in a divorce and a lawsuit.
for a second i thought you were talking about package delivery
I thought it was about ships :(
Devyat association reference?!!!
Bro is not online enough.
@@mjolls-l3ggood for them
Pm merch international shipping when
oh okay we’re also talking about Undertale and others. I thought this would be purely about Limbus (my b) so I was like “Did someone commit attempted murder over a ship *again*?”
the fact that this happened more than 0 times is concerning
wym again?
@@Húhú202ehhe You won't believe it, but sometimes people murder someone for even simply looking at them.
The moment I heard Voltron being name dropped & you talked about how you've heard people say it might've influenced the landscape of modern shipping discourse I was like "OH SHIET, yeah you've done your research..."
On a more light hearted note I adore the idea of Ricardo getting into genuine shipping wars with others in the city over the media he likes
could very much be canon
if he lost his shit over hair coupons, he would DEFINITELY send out a hit squad over ships
I mean, with that yacht, he has no doubt won countless SHIPping wars!
.....I'm sorry
The Book of Vengeance is gonna become the Encyclopedia of Vengeance with this one
the reason why he always wins the ship wars is cause they magically disappear
fascinated by how some people actually think that mashing dolls together is morally equivalent to or even worse than sexually abusing actual real flesh-and-blood children and a reboot of a toy funnel cartoon is to blame for this
the whole "like a brother/sister to me" attributed to being incest is crazy to me because i feel like the younger generation doesn't understood the deeper nuances to relationships as if they themselves don't have one or experience emotional changes within one.
they don't understand that it's a way to establish a boundary but also that the other person doesn't have to agree to it. that's what makes fiction fun to explore. you can explore those nuances.
The whole “but they see each other as siblings” argument is so exhausting because they refuse to see the other forms of brotherly/sisterly bonds people can have that isn’t with their biological siblings.
@Latency345 THANK YOU it's like either siblings or non-related lovers, there is no in-between nothing else exists!!
Wait we talking about blood related siblings or sort of adopted/friendship siblings?
@ brothers or sisters in arms kind of thing. Like, I have sworn my life to you kind.
It gives the same vibe of "I don't like your message/response because of the tone of voice I imagined you using".
I'll defend my favorite ship to death, no one can tell me there's a better ship than the pequod
What about the limboat
I'll raide you the titanic
So you are those 8+8 roll mf
this might be ahab
no better ship than the pequod
no worse evil than the pallid whale
shipping is basically powerscaling but for gay people
the pfp makes it better
Both are for gay people
shipping is often done by and for straight people as well you know
@@MidnightEkaki im implying that gay people aren't immature enough to be powerscaling
@@MidnightEkaki it feels derogatory to say that a gay person would partake in p**********g
I think one perspective I would like to add to the discourse about it is I don’t really think it has anything to do with morals at all. There’s a concept in psychology called “operant conditioning” which states that a behavior will be more likely repeated when its connected with a reinforcer. So viewing the question of why “shipping wars are so common” through lens, I see it more of the question of “what psychological reinforcers are at play that are motivating the repeating of the behavior”. And these reinforcers can come in all different forms. Like someone might be instigating a flame war because the fact that someone has a different view on a work provokes a sense of anxiety and by going on the offensive it helps reduce that anxiety. Or another might be swept up in the rush of feeling like they are on a morally righteous crusade. Or another might want to see the ship made canon and believe that if they are loud enough then the creators might end up making it canon. Ultimately this behavior isn’t anything new in my eyes from crazy sports fans to religious zealots. The best thing that one can do in these circumstances is to avoid being swept up into that cycle. And if you want to create any content for a ship make sure to do so under a burner account and don’t engage with anyone regardless of what they say positive or negative. I don’t know if this helpful or not because its less of a solution and more of just a survival strategy that it would be ideal to not need to do. Admittedly there’s a reason why a lot of actual writers use pseudonyms, wear masks for public conferences or just try to maintain as much of a distance with the fans as possible. Its just disappointing to see so much waste of energy being put into this and how many people have been hurt emotionally and physically
I think this is not just a mere survival strategy but an attrition solution. The entire thingamajig is a negative feedback loop, cutting the existence of opposition by just removing yourself from the discourse will result in the rowdy party having no one to fight against, cutting out those who as you say gets anxiety when the thing they like gets "attacked" or those who goes on a crusade expecting to win cause yeah they have nobody to fight against. Hell it's not even exclusive to zealots or fervent people, just simple venting where people are not in the right headspace to engage in a discussion can be defused this way too.
I wish the popular ship wars didn't completely tarnish the fun of shipping. Personally, I'm not on that side of things and stick to smaller rarepairs - I've met some of the nicest and most creative people in these circles. We're all too busy grasping at straws in order to find new inspiration for a fanfic/artwork/edit to even bother with infighting or fighting with other ships. It's fun, I'd reccomend people to start imagining their favorite characters hold hands or just be friends, even if they've never even met before.
Edit: also thank you for trying to be objective, it's nice to see someone who sets the facts straight and let us digest the information. Personally I'm on the side "Hey let's maybe not wish harm on someone else, but I'm also staying 1 kilometer away from that weird stuff". Great video
I'm a person who's not into shipping but only does a little bit of rarepairs but I can see where you're coming from.
There's a fandom I'm in that i loathe the popular ships because of the shippers ruining the fun for everyone who doesn't ship like them.
Funny to see this posted just after a friend and I had a long conversation about heterophobia/ biphobia in fandoms and how spiteful that can get (looking at you, anime/ JRPG and HoYoverse fans). So good timing on top of being as well put together as ever, thanks!
NGL "heterophobia" is something that I've only ever seen happen in the most chronically online of spaces, but I get biphobia which does tend to happen quite a bit beyond just fandom spaces. There's also just standard homophobia that I sometimes see cropping up in "shippers vs gooners" discourse (especially if it involves a wlw pairing).
Heterophobia is only a thing on the most basement dwellers of fandoms. Shipping shouldn't be this serious as it entirely made up unless the source media makes it canon.
@hanchengjun275 I feel like the writer/director making them canon thing came true (was probably hinted at a lot) with the main cast of Kingdom Hearts. In this case it was Nomura.
Though Roxas/Xion and Riku/Namine at the very end of KH3 surprised the Roxas/Namine people. I think Roxas/Xion was implied but people were probably putting Roxas and Namine together because of Sora and Kairi being their somebodies and the fact they're both blonde. I feel like those who made Roxas and Namine into a ship didn't have a DS and play KHDays (or watched the story in the repeatedly released 1.5 remaster on multiple systems) to get Roxas and Xion's backstory as a pair.
Heterophobia isn’t really the same as the homophobia in fandoms. Heterophobia is more a result of being too terminally online. Homophobia on the other hand is a result of deep issues in our society that is still prevalent as of today.
@@Latency345
If heterophobia is being accepted as a term, then I say it's fair game.
i have started liking a ship simply due to just some fire art, so when people are ready to go to extreme lengths over something so inconsequential, I have to sit and think "wow"
To me the scariest part is that a lot of people engaging in such aren't minors anymore. They're actual adults, many of which have actual jobs and are functional members of society.
If it's a kid who doesn't yet grasp the concept of people having different opinions and preferences and takes it as a personal attack, I can find it a lot more understandable. Still wrong, but understandable.
But an adult who is investing resources into harassing other people and actively putting their lives in danger is very ??????? Like, what are we doing here??
I myself enjoy shipping a lot, have ships I love and ships I hate ( -even had to go on a minor blocking/muting spree after Canto 7 to get a certain ship off my feed oops- ), but the thought of going out of my way to bully artists and writers, let alone HURT them is insane.
What happened to live and let live (assuming nothing illegal/harmful is being done)?
This is classic tribalism, but the subject matter is about pairings of fictional characters. It's even worse because online basement dwellers are constantly stuck in echo chambers and have little irl guidance, with Internet anonymity to further dehumanise opponents.
20:00 I agree, too many people think like that which is honestly worrying
Having been deep in the trenches witnessing the lengths the most vocal shippers have gone to, a part of me gets being attached to a particular character pairing you like whether its based on evidence in the show/game or just fanfics you've seen to convince you of the connections. The problem though is when these clashing ideals are pitted against one another with the veil of anonymity the Internet provides, it enables people to let out their worst behaviors and feel they can get away with it because they think people will be in their corner and that they are justified. Like with how there were other big incidents with Voltron; for example the time a Klance shipper took pictures of behind the scenes sketches and plot beats hostage unless the studio made Klance canon to the show.
I find also bringing up Genshin funny as Hoyoverse shippers can definitely be up there in terms of being notorious mostly for how some have gotten set off by people actively looking to make them mad or in cases wherein the ship in question makes people say stupid things and be hypocritical. Two cases that come to my mind with this are the time Tectone proceeded to "own the shippers" by making rage bait posts against Robin from HSR targeted at shippers who liked the head-canon of her being a lesbian, leading to many shippers attacking him and him reaping the benefits of their outrage, while the other is the Mina Aoyama micro drama where in she tanked some credibility for arguing that Firefly's character was "being destroyed for waifu bait" when in reality the reason she said that was because all the trailers promoted and implied her having relations to Caelus the Male Trailblazer instead of Stelle the female one.
Arguably though the worst case I've ever seen for shippers outside of Voltron and prob the Hoyo games is RWBY as anyone who has briefly touched the series can attest that when it came to shippers, there were countless wars held between the main pairings of the 4 main girls. Most notorious being ofc the Bumblebee ship of Yang and Blake that was fed by Rooster Teeth themselves but that is a can of worms for another time.
You know being part of Mha fandom, I was already used to this type of shit lmao
Every now and then every BIG fandom will have a shipping war for no reason (it's even worst if it's not canon because On gods name, why would you fight about Ships if it's not canon in the first place 💀)
Edit: also, to asnwer your question, *NO*
You don't need to kill an real person over an fictional ship
Yes you can judge them for being weird with the ship they like and making art for but K*lling or hurting them is not right at all
One last edit before I leave: Great Video dude, I been while since I saw you post (it hadn't been too long lol)
I'm surprise you didn't talk about Genshin impact when it comes to ship wars because Holy that's whole trash fire talk over there but like I say Great video dude, I can't wait for the next one (also, Hope you stream the Limbus event next week)
In the end, these types of hyper obsessive lunatics is what creates the toxicity of the ship. They often forget that ship is not always canon, often it'll be a part of so many random ships that exists and when the god (author) decided which relationship is canon, they can't do anything to stop it. Fandom exists as it's own play field, if you on field A, don't complained on field B thay it's not like their field. It's these types of people that acted as if they're the rightful one, not noticing what they did only caused more harms on the fanbase. Because anonymity is a dangerous power that we had, the power for not having real world consequences for what did online.
Ps:Also it would be interesting to see if Tsunul uploaded a video about Gacha games for each demographics like what on a fanfic of his, while not a ship, it's pretty well made plot heavy story. And mostly because, like the stigma of ships, i believe not ALL gacha games has to focused on male gooner demographics.
We are shipping Sinclair to Brazil
YESSSSSSS BABYYYYYYYYYY WWOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THANK YOU AZERIA1 FOR SHIPPING SINCLAIR TO MY COUNTRY LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"A Video about Shipping Character "
❤
- Hey, be careful That's Heck your walking into
🔥
I find it a little hypocritical when people in the comments of this video calls shippers crazy, without realizing that rhetoric is part of what perpetuates these violent and insane interactions, like yeah the threats or real violence committed is actual insanity, but if the only response given is more dismissive, insulting, or clever actual violence as I've seen on twitter, can it really be described as unexpected that the aggresion would infinitely escalate?
I know this topic is a bit controversial but what's yall favorite ship?
Mine's the USS Gyatt.
LC Busboat is pretty cool
Caesar and wise
Moral of the story: Having the words "Love" and "Fandom" together will cause mayhem NO. MATTER. WHAT.
My after my package got stolen
Moist critical of PM I swear to god
Shipping fans absolutely ruined a lot of fanbase for me
RWBY(This one hurts the most for me), Undertale, My Hero Academia and Steven Universe i dont even like both shows but dear god the fanbase is worse
Ye, you shouldn't kill or threaten to kill a person over fictional stuff. Hell, personally i think you shouldnt kill or threaten anyone over anything really.
Now talkin about the video, the mid part was partially hard to follow. Maybe it was just me on a bad english day but i had to rewatch the part talkin about the voice actor who apologised and the dude recording the kid multiple times and i still dont think i understood well what you said there. Another problem i find with the video is that the charity thing kinda dived outside of the point, that one felt more about charity and the nature of the money in it, and as much as i am actively against the violence on individuals i think you can still dont feel okay about what someone enjoys and then it becomes the dilemma of "would you take money from a bad person".
Beyond this, i liked the video and i didnt know how consistently bad these things tend to go so it was good to know
personally i believe FICTIONAL SHIPS with FICTIONAL CHARACTERS are not indicative of their beliefs and behaviors in real life for a lot of reasons-escape from reality, coping with trauma, etc. and i think if someone ships something you don't like then you should just...block and move on. it's that simple.
Personally I believe online death threats are not indicative of behaviors or beliefs in real life. If you don’t like it then block and move on.
@@csrjjsmp telling people to die over fictional characters is very indicative of their real life behaviors, actually
@@amiyabeam having anime pfp is indicative of being a paedo irl, actually
@@amiyabeam oh I thought we were talking about personal beliefs not what’s actually true. Are we switching again?
I’m glad Tsnusnu posted. 👍
I stan powerscalers x shippers for the most atrocious community of today vs most atrocious community of history
People who act like ship wars are new when I’ve been seeing them happen exactly the same way since the 90s lmao. If anything it’s better now that people aren’t getting shanked IRL
I'm requesting royalties for Voltron fandom ptsd. Jokes aside I notice a lot of this shipping brainrot comes from kids, of course it isn't an excuse but lot of kids just ain't good at regulating their feelings or good decision making, especially when they're online a lot. Can say from experience that growing up really made me learn to stop giving a shit.
I also request a veteran’s discount but for Undertale fandom and Steven Universe fandom trauma
Maybe a small paragraph to those who have low attention spans (joke)
I honestly don't care what people ship and I never have I think another big problem is how readily available everything is online. I support all kinds of shipping but I don't have to like it myself, two things can be true at once.
Idk how to word this part but people need more supervision on the internet because on BOTH sides of this there are bad people.
Are there potentially people who use their ships to do real life harm? Yes. Are there also people who hate other ships that try to groom and recruit others into that extreme mindset and pass themselves off as safe? Also yes.
Most people wouldn't go into a bookstore, go to the adult section and complain there are adult books there with adult themes no matter how extreme the kink is. The assumption is that you are an adult and you know how to engage with it. But since everything is online it's less physically taxing and embarrassing because you're not in public and it's much easier to create echo chambers.
Even as a child I understood these things. I was a kid and a couple times I stumbled on explicit things sometimes involving 'immoral' ships but I never really cared because they were all just designs and characters to me. As a child who didn't even have internet (I would have to see things with adults) I shipped Itachi x Sasuke. Did I know they were brothers? Yes. But I liked the dynamic back then and I didn't really think beyond 'Oh these are just characters'. I also knew not to complain in places that I put myself into. Like even my family, I grew up around some anime fans and back then some of them liked characters that would be 'underage' but were married, dating etc to actual women, so in my mind there is not a close connection to fiction and reality. At some point in my childhood I went through an extremely rough patch mentally and I was drawing gore and death and writing 'illegal' stuff but even back then I knew that 1) it was not real i wasnt harming anyone and 2) i was not going to perpetuate these things
My mind was not "oh i drew and wrote this so i must want to hurt people" nor was it "im a potential murderer so im drawing/writing this" it just was. Even when i got better and without outside (internet) influence i still did it for enjoyment and i knew it was harmless.
If someone does do something it's not because of the existence of a fictional character, something is already wrong with them mentally and has nothing to do with lines and colors. I think and always have thought that exploring things through fiction is good and I also remember as a kid I saw this age gap thing. Mind you at this time I knew what age gap was and why it was harmful in real life, but when I read it I DIDNT CARE BECAUSE IT WASNT REAL. I knew what I picked up (mostly) and I saw it was age gap and I continued to read it. So to me I don't understand anything on why people get so up in arms about this. I could honestly go on about it for a while but it just baffles me.
As long as it's fictional i dont care how far it goes because at the end of the day that's all it is and if someone does have some mental health issues or something then that's something they need to sort out in their real life. As long as nobody is hurt irl I genuinely do not care.
Imagine how much better things would be if people actually used those block/mute features for stuff they don't want to see.
@ exactly
I will not be bothered on *my* phone. Blocking and muting is a good thing.
personally i do think it's gotten kinda bad because every time i see that someone just got doxxed because someone didn't like a ship i kinda just treat as just another tuesday
17:48 can confirm as a shipper myself. I just don’t talk about it online anymore because it’s a one way ticket to getting harassed online especially if it’s a gay ship
0:12 Great Grey Prince Zote...
The whole "shippers vs gooners" phenomenon also tends to overlap with misogyny and/or homophobia in places since I've seen this sort of thing happen a lot with more recent wlw pairings in Hoyo game fandoms (y'know, since finding yuribait in a Hoyo game is like finding water in the ocean).
Also, I think the whole shitshow surrounding the Kaeluc ship in Genshin Impact could have been worth talking about since it's definitely a case of both values dissonance and shoddy localization, but E made an entire feature-length video about it so...
Personally, I don't think any 'ship' makes someone deserving of threats. The content of said shipping __work__ does complicate things. But given that these characters are fictional you can essentially remove anything potentially negative before putting them in a ship with another character and in my opinion be fine.
But ptting something like accusations towards real people and/or their personal information, or encouraging negative behavior in an explicit 'do this to others/yourself' is where things do start to become an issue.
People be treating Fictional characters like real people and treat real people like trash
Honestly had this little theory for a long time since 2020, but with 2025 jokingly seemingly like a repeat of that, ill just say
There has definitely been a change in the mental fortitude or overall behavior of most people because of how the pandemic forced us to essentially stay online for a long period of time, and we never recovered from it even 5 years later. There were always incidents before that but they weren't as abundant and widespread as the shit we see now, like how people would get too attached to fictional characters and treat them as real people, personas played off by content creators being used to project fantasies, or just speak on a controversial/political topic in fictional media and soon everything gets taken so seriously that death threats and other forms of harassment casually get thrown around. Because being terminally online and attaching themselves to fictional media was almost a norm in that point in some of those people's lives to keep whatever sanity they had left, and not many people had the real strength to fight off that decay with their lowering morality because there wasn't a "reason" to if you couldn't confront people IRL at that time for it to matter. Shipping was just another unfortunate form of that attachment that people used to keep themselves either "entertained" or "engaged" and it was their form of trying to stay sane during those pandemic days. This was kinda how shit like the DreamSMP and Genshin's popularity skyrocketed along with the actually normal community interactions gathered from all the people staying inside. Shipping was so damn abundant in those communities and many others that it might have altered the perception of how people viewed others online, generalizations and stereotypes just run rampant and now here we, it all leads to this video, trying to understand where it went wrong, and the current state of this as part of internet culture.
theres only one pairing i ship, and its bahamut and phoenix in granblue fantasy.
omg granblue
as much as i hate proship (or darkship whatever term they use these day) I think trying to kill someone is too far. It's bad to romanticize thing that shouldn't be but these are AGAIN fictional character, chase them of the internet is like the best you should do tbh
I'm so glad the worst thing I've ever had to deal with shipping was the period of time where shipping Blake and Sun in RWBY got you screamed at for "being homophobic" by unhinged Bumblebee shippers.
So i wasnt the only one who experience this....
Yeah RWBY Shippers are insane, cant believe Rooster Teeth end up encouraging them to continue that deranged thinking to the point the show is ruined
@@RenoKyrie I feel like the show went downhill the moment Monty Ohm passed away. Granted not everyone who worked for RT is a terrible person, most of their issues stemmed from upper management. So the fact things got THIS bad was definitely a contributor to the company's downfall.
I started thinking shipping was a weird culture when I saw people getting mad for someone saying that
"Midoriya will end up with Uraraka on my hero academia"
And people that ship Midoriya and Bakugo(Which used to bully him for nothing) got mad at him
I just didn't get all sending DTs over the most basic take, I mean, I am pretty sure the author confirmed that as well or at least is pushing toward that direction
the things voltron fans did aside if i was a terminally ill kid and got that blanket i wouldve asked the doctors to just pull the plug
Murder is common in the city…
Hi plague im hokma
@@HokmaBalls bheaven block
@@TaleOfPlague hi plague im hokma
Hi plague im hokma
@@nephervirte4959 hi hokma im hokma
Accounting that this is like, 5th video you made on the same topic, which can be boiled down to "people got too into something and start threatening/killing eachother over this", i really don't think this format is working for anything other than "Top 10 death threats in THIS fandom".
The discussion always devolves to "How terrible they are, don't be like this guys :)", which, while is fine, doesn't really add anything to discussion. As someone already commented, this behaviour isn't anything new, it's the same sport fans and religious zealots of the "past", just with Tumblr coating, and require the same treatment. Not "Oh the humanity, how could this happen, this is so terrible" but "Oh, mentally unwell people are fighting with eachother, again." For the same reason, i don't think this constant somber tone is fit for that as well, it's the same as starting every video with "Today, a kitten have passed away somewhere, and this is how gaming industry lead to this." Feels like a little overreacting, which in return dulls down the emotions for something more important. You yourself say "How could they do this over pixels on the screen", and then overblow the importance of the same thing. What I'm trying to say is, chill out, 10 year old Billy screaming kys in the mic wont kill you, and 40y year old psychopath will dox you or someone else anyway, if not for waifus and shipping, then for you disagreeing with his flat earth theory. Encourageing people to find solutions for that is better than painting the symptoms as a sickness itself. Yes, it's more difficult and probably out of scope for gacha RUclipsr, but nobody said that handling such big social topics should be easy. So i guess then, the idea is not to waste time on them, unless you make them into entertainment? Dunno
Yeah, thanks for this video, because I have seen this bullshit happen way to much. This shit even happened with Puyo Puyo when I got into it through Puyo Puyo Tetris, where a artist got harrased for shipping Arle x Satan and Schezo x Witch where the victem started lashing out and accusing the English Puyo Puyo discord for reasons. But Like shipping became so toxic A FUCKING TETRIS GAME CAUSES CONTREVERSY. Its tiring after a while
Ah shipping also known as power scaling for girls. I've always found it funny that power scaling is almost always comparing which character would win in a fight and yet they seem to be more civil then the shippers despite their entire hobby being talking about fictional violence even though I know there's much more to power scaling than that it's still a little funny.
I thought shipping wars were just called wars as an exaggeration or something. I didn’t realize they actually killed people and used propaganda and stuff like what
(sorry for any weird grammar I'm dyslexic) Just be a mulishipper like me, I ship someone like heathcliff with like 6 other sinners and vergilius because fuck it why not? I never gotten involved in shipping wars since I usually on both sides so why would I bother? I just see shipping as something fun to think about and play around with characters, I don't bother with ships I don't care about or bother people that ship them. I'm just here to have a good time and make characters kiss or whatever for the hell of it lol. If you need to shit talk a ship, hell even make up shit about it to make it seem bad then you're just a loser in my eyes and you're getting blocked
maybe i'm looking at things with rose-tinted glasses but back then, it wasn't so bad as it is now. nowadays people fucking shed blood over this shit lmaoo
A lot of these controversies listed happened a decade ago, but there's still relevant situations like the entire shitshow surrounding Kaeluc in Genshin Impact and how things have morphed into "shippers vs gooners" as of late.
Temu ad before the video, great start
Cause shipping...
The only shipping I will give two fucks about is a free delivery.
Sometimes I think about how much would change if we went back in time and stopped VLD from airing in the first place.
Taboo relationships are the only genre of fiction where it feels like no one can figure out the difference between reality and fiction. Like people will watch Hannibal and Dexter and heist movies like Oceans Eleven and be just fine and then act like seeing a taboo drawing is the equivalent to actually committing or condoning real world criminal acts.
btw Taking a neutral stance will get you called a "pro shipper". It's weird af.
That’s just obviously not true lmao. People have literally committed irl murder to summon slender man.
@@csrjjsmp mental illness is not the fault of the fiction. Slenderman fiction existing did not turn those children mentally ill. Also (thankfully) the girl they attempted to kill survived.
Some people might all of these incidents and think to themselves "This is what the internet does to a mf" but in reality, the internet just made it easier to find the mentally unwell
Mfw I hear the Penance theme as Tsunul enters his lawyer arc for 5 mins
I personally like a little of evey ship, i have my favorite of course, but if you show a cute comic or something of a ship with one of the characters of my fave ship i'll probaly like it.
And if i see something from a ship don't like or straight up hate( i can count the second with a hand), then i just ignore it, from my point of view it is just pointless getting angry over a ship.
If someone isn't hurting someone or themself over something then i have no problem with what they do, though i put the line with shipping actual real people, i just find it weird.
Theres a few Bandori/Bangdream popular ships that I personally despise (I'm a proud YukiLisa and MocaRan Hater since 2019), aside from "I don't vibe with them" option, Someone who ships my NOTP suddenly threaten me and my friends to "cease to exist" (iyk,yk)
Listen, sending those threats can harm the person affected by it. Be smart
I think the saying goes "nice cake, not my flavour" about shipping.
I like ishmaelxDon and SinclairXDon.
The only ship I distate is OG!DonXSancho. and even then, the art is usually amazing.
But I feel like the dynamic is icky. So I scroll past.
Maybe I block a user, but I will never tell someone else to go block them.
Not my flavour, but I don't get to burn the bakery down.
1. Do not give someone under 17 unrestricted internet access
2. Do not be chronically online
3. Go read classical literatures
4. Go play Limbus Company
tsunul x freya (they made a patches of violet cover)
Oh…Oh…Round and round we go(o) Holding onto pain Driven by our EGOS
Feelings untold(oh) Spinning our own Version of the past That you could never khow Cause i khow
I must be the reason why you have given up your smiles
And the hopes inside your eyes have been stolen
I have nothing to say other than I love yuri, goodbye
I THAT A PROJECT MOON REFERENCE?!?!?!
So sad she was turn into an apple 😔
Yuri Gagarin was a man most admirable indeed
Yuri is the right of all sentient beings.
man i love ships, the HMS Victoria has to be one of my favs tho
I have not even begun watching but I must say that you are a brave man
I personally think that shipping fictional characters is fine, and that really, wishing death upon someone is far to extreme. Logical attempts to convert them to your ship? Sure. Expressed disagreement with their pairing choices? I suppose. But death threats? Thats a bit to extreme.
As for the line in my opinion. I feel like Shipping real world people is where it can really het a bit weird and should probably not be done, but I wouldnt attack anyone over it.
That all being said, I have gotten into verbal arguments before for saying that Okabe and Maho would be a cute ship in the Zero timeline.
I love how every time you mention Scaramouche he keeps getting shorter
I don't care about shipping in general. I just read the story without imagining who is into who.
I would really like to see a more logical view to be brought up more for this topic
It’s fiction right? So any line you draw will be slippery as hell. The only real solution is to not draw a line at all. Like I can’t even put into words what I’m thinking would be ‘disgusting’ or ‘terrible’ enough to get any inkling out of me that It should be ‘stopped’ let alone take any action myself lol. Things like shipping underaged or incest things I could not care less about because I have no empathy for fictional characters. If people want to say ‘your bad if you like them cuz you’ll do it irl’ I wonder what they would say when they see me play hatred or engage in any other media I know of which are way worse that the topics they hate lol. It’s all emotional, therefore stupid. Through experience any time you get emotional is the moment everything goes down the drain. Just follow logic
-why are things bad? Because it harms ppl
-why just because harming ppl? Because dictating bad based on ANY other criteria becomes way too subjective to where if it were logical again it would label EVERYTHING bad.
-what is fiction? A medium that doesn’t exist in the real world
-if it does not exist, therefore it cannot harm
-if it cannot harm, fiction cannot be bad
This is how I think at least. NO fiction cannot be bad, there it is ALL allowed. Only bad things are not allowed. I don’t even get why people care if something is ‘weird’ because logically the only thing you should care about is BAD and NOT ‘weird’ or anything else that ISNT BAD specifically. I always wish to use the most EXTREME examples I can conjure to demonstrate this, because the logical principle has no exceptions. If anybody says that something shouldn’t be done, they would have to figure out what about the principal is not true, otherwise the conclusion remains true instead.
There really is no line at all. Because the only notion that has no contradiction is that in fiction, no thing is able to be disallowed. Really, feel free to give me the worst example you can imagine for fictional thing, it MUST be allowed, or else the logic fails and that’s worse than anything.
So yeah that’s what I think.
Though this is about a packaging company based on the title
My past fandom is coming back💔
im shipping every frey and erlking tsunul!! 🔥❤
huh, guess it never changed then and now
Unrelated to the video but, can we consider Zuo Le from Arknights an honorary shi member? He IS also voiced by sinclair. Sinclair shi ID when?????
Me who just ship Heathcliff everyone with Heathcliff: GET INTO MY LEVEL!
From my point of view, any threatening actions agains real life people because of something fictional is bad
Of course, this can be interpreted for more than just shipping discourse, but my opinion stays the same.
kid/adult ship? straight ship? queer ship? incest ship? it doesn't matter, because it is FICTION, if you find some of these contents morally disgusting then there's a block/mute button in almost any social media you are allowed to use, there is no point in wasting your time hating and threatening to harm someone over what effectively is just ink on paper/pixels on a screen
Fiction only affects the reality of stupid people
Fiction does make people question others, though.
uh shipping a kid and an adult is absolutely not the same thing as those other things. it doesnt matter if its fiction the fact youre fantasising about that is disturbing and you shouldnt be allowed near children. CP is illegal
@MidnightEkaki ...and you are the sole reason why this discourse keeps up
Disregarding the fact that you are using the wrong definitions (not like your people care anyways) It's not illegal, for something to be considered CS3M (be illegal) it must be hurting an actual, living child.
Keep in mind i'm talking about 2 fictional characters being being shipped, 2 irl people being shipped is totally different, in case you wanted to play that card
TLDR: the police won't care if you have Nahida x Dottore on your search history (though why would you have that, that ship sucks, almost worse than ArleFuri)
@@MidnightEkaki
Korean police went to a Blue Archive convention, with loli doujins btw, and left. They don't really give a shit unless an actual kid is involved.
dont worry i’ll handle it
How
@@WhoTheHellIsThisGuyDudethey will handle it, are you doubting them?
Just sayin', John Smith always has his ways...
@@riargaet sorry
At this point, I can't be shocked.
Chinese fandom is so toxic it makes their "predecessors", the KPop stans, look harmless.
And Kpop stans are massive jerks.
And I'm sadly unsurprised that shippers would go that far.
And unfortunately...
This is sadly normal. If you keep tabs on real-life events, let' just say we are in for a real horrible, genocidal time.
Tribalism is real, and it kept us alive. Now, it also caused some of the most horrific events in history.
Unity will forever be impossible. Those who tried only ended up being painted in a bad light.
@@Influence417 Put it this way, even during WW2, the Soviet Union kept trying to "sabotage" the Allies, and if we want to only limit ourselves to anything within the last 50 years, the US has been undermining actual democratic efforts.
Unity has a cost, and it usually involves a body count. Be it in actual bodies or lives ruined.
And it WILL get worse in the next 4 years.
Don’t worry. Monzo can ship it.
SHIP IT MONZO!!!
DO YOU SEE TORPEDO BOATS, MONZO?
bro i thought you were gonna talk about shipping as in logistics
Hey Tsunul, not sure if you're aware, but your discord invite is invalid.
My man🎉 Shipping is indead Cancerous
I love tolerating people who may or may not share my opinions because that's just human decency
To an extent I hope.
You can't tolerate someone who objectively has a shit claim, especially if it's personal to you.
@@Influence417 obv, if their opinion is really dogshit its fine to clown on them, just no death threats
@@tuanminhnguyen6546
Lines have to be drawn somewhere.
Though, depending on how objectively shit the claim is, if I were you I wouldn't bat an eye if that person ended up hurt or dead. At least you didn't call it or want it; it just happened.
@@Influence417 nah dawg unless they actually harm other people i would feel bad if someone got hurt simply for saying bullshit. freedom of speech and allat
@@tuanminhnguyen6546
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences, and I wish Gen Z morons in the US can learn that the hard way.
Also, it's what I would do, not me suggest what you should do in that situation. If someone said BS and they get whooped for it physically or otherwise, I would've seen that coming for them. Karma and allat.
must have a lot of free time to spent it on the internet shipping fictional characters
Cool vid though the ending is kinda too abrupt i feel. Not a big deal
Tsunul x Welvader
shipping is cringe and i'm tired to pretend is not.
Agreed, only canon matters. What ifs are copium.
I mean doing banter about each other ships is ok, but all out war is nonsense behaviour
Ships destroy fandoms
the gacha game that don't have any problem with shipping ( that i know ) is the gacha game that this channel afraid to talk about:FGO
Dang not even mentioning the genealogy war that is ff7 is funny. Guess even you don't want to invoke those people here lol
Mha gotta be the top ten sins of shippers
hello sunal
my favorite ship is limbus company x bad gameplay
I worry about that kind of stuff whenever shipping becomes a big part of any community, people tend to take it way too seriously for what it is sometimes
SILVER SURFEEEERRRRR
this is so epic
Good video mr. nul