5 Trains That History Forgot | History in the Dark
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- Sometimes locomotives show up, and though exceptional, they go overlooked. Even if they did flawless service in their time, history has a way of skipping over certain models in favor of others. In this video, I wanted to discuss some locomotives that deserve more recognition than history tends to give them. Though some have forgotten, let this be a reminder of their existence.
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0:00 - Intro
1:02 - Santa Fe 5000
4:00 - BSR Class 46
6:59 - BR Class D16/1
11:37 - BR Class 53 Falcon
13:20 - ALCO DL-109
"Santa Fe 5000 is a 2-10-4 "Texas" type steam locomotive constructed by Baldwin Locomotive Works in 1930 for the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway. No. 5000 was immediately nicknamed the "Madame Queen" and remained a unique member of its own class. It was donated to the City of Amarillo, Texas in 1957 and is currently[when?] maintained by the Railroad Artifact Preservation Society. Santa Fe 5000 is on the National Register of Historic Places."
"There are only 20 standard gauge (1,435 mm (4 ft 8+1⁄2 in)) engines with this wheel arrangement that were built for and ran in Europe: class 46 of the Bulgarian State Railways (BDŽ). They were ordered by BDŽ and built according to its specification by two different manufacturers: 12 engines by H. Cegielski in Poznań, Poland in 1931, and 8 by Berliner Maschinenbau (Schwarzkopf) in Berlin, Germany in 1943."
"LMS No. 10000 and 10001 were the first mainline diesel locomotives built in Great Britain. They were built in association with English Electric by the London, Midland and Scottish Railway at its Derby Works, using an English Electric 1,600 hp diesel engine, generator and electrics."
"D0280 Falcon was a single prototype diesel-electric locomotive, built for British Railways in 1961. It was one of a series of three prototypes: Falcon, DP2 and Lion, eventually leading to the Class 47 and Class 50.[1] A requirement was expressed by the BTC at a meeting on 15 January 1960 for new Type 4 designs of Co-Co arrangement, which would be lighter than the earlier 1Co-Co1 locomotives such as the Peak classes, produced under the Pilot Scheme."
"The ALCO DL-109 was one of six models of A1A-A1A Diesel locomotives built to haul passenger trains by the American Locomotive Company (ALCO) between December, 1939 and April, 1945 ("DL" stands for Diesel Locomotive). They were of a cab unit design, and both cab-equipped lead A units DL-103b, DL-105, DL-107, DL-109 and cabless booster B units DL-108, DL-110 models were built. The units were styled by noted industrial designer Otto Kuhler, who incorporated into his characteristic cab (US Patent D121,219) the trademark three-piece windshield design. A total of 74 cab units and four cabless booster units were built."
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*British Rail :*
"We ended the lives of thousands of locomotives... just to see if we'd feel something"
Most of Europe: "We will keep using our steam engines well into the 70s and 80s, gradually modernizing while protecting worker unions and preserving national railroad history."
The UK: "We have the best steam engines in the world! Let's throw all of them to the scrapyards before we come to our senses!!!"
In case you wondered, the reason that many Eutopean locomotives have their wheels and rods painted red is that any crack will appear as a conspicuous black line.
Polish locomotives had their wheels painted red with white bandages.
@@m.q-zersky47 Same with soviet locomotives
I would have used some neon glow in the dark paint, for fun
Oh that’s smart.
Okay, you got me with the old Thomas The Tank Engine 'The Disiesel' theme while British Rail logos bounced around. I laughed out loud whilst also feeling your pain. Thank you, I needed that :-)
Bill and Ben running British Railways. That makes way too much sense!
Texas types are one of my favorite locomotives.
Also, using Bill and Ben's theme from 'The Diseasil' was funny. It surprised me.
7:08
Hi.
A Bulgarian railfan here.
The Class 46 "Баба Меца" (Grandmother Bear) is one of the icons of the Bulgarian Railways (BDZ).
She was designed domestically, but due to the technical inability to produce it in Bulgaria, the designs were sent abroad and she was produced in two separate plants in Germany and Poland. They can be split into 2 subvariants depending on where she was produced, however, there are little to none differences in terms of the performance of either type.
They were so good and reliable that they would run up until 1975, operating in parallel with the diesels and electrics for a significant amount of time. Note that despite her size and power, she was a tank engine, created to operate in the short distances between Sofia and Pernik, having to climb the slopes of the Vitosha mountain. The two preserved locomotives are representatives from both subvariants.
Some railfans I know would nickname her "Big Girl" and compare her to the American heavyweights like the Big Boy.
I am really happy that she was mentioned on your channel.
I invoke other Bulgarian railfans to jump in if I got something wrong or have missed anything about this one(two) of a kind locomotive.
Major difference in both variants is the fact that german version is a 3 cylinder machine, while polish build is a conventional two cylinder. The easiest ways to tell them apart are different trucks under the coal bin in the rear. German version has an outside bearing truck, while polish has inside bearing truck with spoked wheels highly visible. Another more subtle difference is the offset counterweight on second axle on german version. Thats do to the fact that the middle cylinder powers that second axle. Up front three cylinder version has piston rod housing sticking out at an angle from plate below smoke box front. Greetings from Poland by way of the US.
The LMS twins (D10000 and 10001) paved the way for the later Class 40, with the same English Electric 16SVT engine uprated from 1600 hp to 2000 hp. Most likely the reason only two were built was that there was a pressing need to replace elderly Victorian era locomotives which had been given an extended lease of life because of the war, and it was cheaper to build new steam locomotives with a similar power output than it was diesels. Also they used coal mined in the UK rather than imported oil. Hence the BR standard 5MT 4-6-0 was built in quantity in the early 1950s. Even the Class 40, when it appeared in the late 1950s with the uprated EE engine, was regarded as being underpowered and in no way equal to the most powerful express passenger steam locomotives, the LNER A4s and the LMS Duchesses. Both reportedly capable of a maximum power output of 3000 hp.
One steam locomotive I suggest you put on a list similar to this is the MÁV (hungarian state railways) 601 class. The locomotives were built to haul heavy freight trains from Rijeka and Pola to the industrial regions in Hungary and Austria. These were mallets, built in 1914, and for that time they were the strongest steam engines in Europe, but they had quite simply went exticnt sadly.
Have you ever talked about the German BR96 steam locomotive? I can't find much info on them and it would be cool to find out more about them.
Yay Madame Queen!! The spot she is kept in is very near the Amarillo civic center parking lot, and seeing that locomotive as a kid was a big push to my interest in trains as I got older. I'm glad she remains in Amarillo, our city has very strong historical ties to ATSF.
Glad to see that Madame Queen is getting some love here. I'm actually part of the Amarillo Railroad Museum, who is a caretaker for madame queen. We have tried in the past to move her on grounds, with no success due to the city. The chances of us actually building a building to protect her are sadly slim to none, we just don't have the money to. Her fate kinda remains up in the air right now, We've tried to push some RFP's through, but the city has been, difficult. But the city is willing to part ways with her, for a price. So she is probably safe, and maybe if someone is rich enough (and crazy enough) we may see her run again. She's in pretty good nick for being outside due to the dry climate and she's pretty intact. Ted talk over, but I would recommend Texas and Pacific 610 to be on your part 2. I mean, she's an AMERICAN FREEDOM TRAIN that literally no one remembers.
Someone actually does plan to restore her back to operation funny enough.
ALCO did a fairly commendable job of trying to switch from steam to diesel. (Baldwin...not so much.)
However, the seeds of their own disaster were sown when they kept sticking with the problematic 244 engine: this caused their partner, General Electric, to walk away, only to come back as a competitor.
Another factor that ended up being part of ALCOs demise as far as the diesel locomotive market was concerned, was that EMD and GE were able to offer more attractive financing options.
I like the styling of the DL-109. It was designed by Otto Kuhler. Fun fact: in 1935 Alco had 83% of the diesel locomotive market. An interesting read about Alco is "Success That Didn't Last," by Albert Churella.
Here is one: The N&W LC-1, an electric locomotive, was an electric locomotive that history forgot and most railfans don't know about this electric locomotive, all of them were scrapped in 1950. They worked pretty well before the post-war era. The Elkhorn tunnel had a new double-tracked bypass, which removed the need for electrification. All of the N&W's electric locomotives were scrapped.
A locomotive that was not only restored but returned to service nowadays? That is SO badass.
English Electric were definitely the good side of British Rail diesels. They had a few issues, for example the 50s were too complex to start with, but in general they didn't do much wrong. It says a lot that the 08s, 20s, 31s (not EE built but EE engines), 37s and 86s have all been so long lasting, with the 08s and 37s still being common today.
English electric has my respect, if not only for making the EEL(English electric lightning) one of the fastest jets of the early jet fighter gens
BREL were the EE of the electrics imo. The fact 313s and 315s are STILL going is impressive (at least to me).
@@Reddsoldier main electrical components for the Class 313s was by GEC.
Would someone please explain why England had many good looking steamers, but god awful ugly die
sels?
@@jonathansanger862 So basically EE and the later amalgamation into GEC were carrying the whole rail industry.
I’ve always thought the DL-109’s were interesting! Glad that you added them to this list!
I love how you incorporated the Diesesel theme into this.
I love you included the Theme when talking about BR 😆
11:42 those logos dancing though 🤣🤣🤣🤣
10:13
I think a lot of people don't know why the 2-8-2 type is called Mikado. When Baldwin Built the First 2-8-2 type under the model 10-30-1/4E for the Nippon Railway as Bt-4/6 numbers 530-549 then when it become ownership under Japan Government Railways, it became Class 9700 and renumbered to 9700-9719. Baldwin Christened the 2-8-2 type as Mikado after the Emperor of Japan at that time, and it became official type name 2-8-2 Mikado. Also I think you would like the topic of when a regiment from Nazi Germany under John Rabe actually fought against the Imperial Army of Japan at Nanking.
D0280 Falcon was built by Brush Traction. Around that time, Brush was part of the Hawker-Siddeley group of companies that included Bristol-Siddeley that supplied the locomotive's Maybach engines. However, the British Transport Commission's (BTC) Chief Mechanical Engineer (CME) J.Frederick Harrison wasn't in favour of their twin high speed engines.
One loco I feel gets overlooked, despite operating in excursion service, is T&P I1a 610
When it comes to the excursions it ran, it always gets overshadowed by its running mates. 610 pulled the American Freedom train, but you only ever hear about GS-4 4449 or T1 2101. 610 also ran in the Southern Steam Program, but all that's talked about is Ms-1 4501 and K-4 2716. Also, 610 is the Sole Surviving T&P Texas Type, and the Texas and Pacific are the reason the 2-10-4 has the name 'Texas'
ALCO bought McIntosh and Seymour during the great depression, who built the diesel prime movers in the ALCO locomotives. This wasn't a particularly bad thing, until they threw steam locomotive engineers on the task of creating new prime movers to compete with EMD. The lack of internal combustion design experience quickly reared its ugly head. Most of the post-war prime mover designs had design flaws that made them suffer from breakdowns on the road, a problem which EMD didn't share with ALCO. GE, whose electrical systems were top notch, didn't really care for how the association with ALCO was dragging down their collective reputations in the railroad industry. The ALCO 251 prime mover (released in February 1951) was amuch more robust design than anything else from the postwar period, but by the time it was released, the damage was already done. GE went on to build their own road locomotives for use in places like Brazil (and using ultra reliable Cooper and Bessemer prime movers, initially designed for stationary use in mines). Once the design was well proven, they yanked their exclusive agreement with ALCO for locomotive generators, control systems, and traction motors in North America, and marketed the new Universal series (called U-Boats by railfans) directly to North American railroads.
Possibly the most notable locomotives in Australia that time forgot were the NSW D58 Class 4-8-2 type, Commonwealth Railways C Class 4-6-0 type and perhaps the NSW Z23 Class 4-6-0s.
I would like to see a collection of this particular category; “Locomotives that History Forgot”. I would support looking into what other obscure locomotives from any other European countries that would have stood out but fell behind due to the progression of locomotive technology through the ages.
Being part Bulgarian the class 46 made me pretty interested to see as i haven't heard much about Bulgarian locomotives and now my goal is to buy or build a model of one
Between 6:03 and 6:33 you don't see the Bulgarian class 46 but a German/Austrian class 97.4, the world's largest and most powerful rack steam locomotive with a 2-12-2 wheel arrangement: de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-Baureihe_97.4_(1942)
I have a ho scale DL-109 painted as Rock Island 623.
Another excellently entertaining offering and once again thank you for your effort and dedication
I suspect in a future episode we will discover that British Rail is actually your father and if you give in to the dark side you can rule the rails together as father and son
It is your destiny Sir Darkness 🤣🤣🤣
For a possible part two of this series, I would suggest putting in the Rio Grande L-105's, they were the first 4-6-6-4's on the Rio Grande, are pretty forgotten, and have a unique appearance (if you've seen an image of one, you know what I mean ;)
As I recall, the Texas types were loathed by railroad management, the 10 driver wheels, very far apart, with no articulation, really beat up the tracks in curves and switches.
But were they loathed?
@@speedymouse2859 because they caused excessive track maintenance where deployed
@@brentboswell1294 wonder why the big users of them never reported as much?
@@speedymouse2859 what big users? No US railroads ever registered "big" fleets of them. The biggest fleet was, ironically, the Pennsylvania Railroad, who ordered 100 during World War II, because the war production bureau would not let them custom design their own power (which was typically how the Pennsy did things during the steam era, even building quite a few of their engines in the Altoona shops). They were scrapped by 1952. The reason that the UP Challenger was built was because the UP's 4-12-2's were too hard on the tracks in the Wasatch range (they were put into service on the UP main across Nebraska), in addition to not meeting their design power requirements (which is another story in and of itself). Darkness should write a story about the UP's terrible experience with their 4-12-2's 🤣 US "mallets" (which are really articulated compound engines, not true Mallets) were either 2 sets of 6 drivers, or 2 sets of 8, because 4 drivers is about the maximum length of rigid drivers that didn't create excessive track wear. The Santa Fe relegated the Madame Queen, and the small fleet of Texas types that followed, to the relatively straight and flat Belen Cutoff (which was built to allow the Santa Fe to avoid the numerous helper districts and train weight restrictions in their original transcontinental route through Raton Pass, which was becoming a serious bottleneck for freight movements). Large numbers of rigid drivers have a tendency to wear out rails in curves and switches, because they introduce excessive bending forces on the trackwork. Some of these nonarticulated engines with large numbers of drivers have more than one set of "blind" drivers (driving wheels without flanges), because they would bind up (due to trying to bend the rails!) going through the minimum number of yard switches from the roundhouse reach the mainline, which was discovered during testing. But 100 locomotives in the steam era for a large class I railroad is still not that big. Santa Fe only bought 17 more Texas types after the Madame Queen experiment.
@@brentboswell1294 PRR had 125, based on the successful C&O T1, the T1s being used to haul huge coal trains over quite mountainous territory. B&LE amassed a fleet of 47 between 1929-1937 with those sold to DM&IR lasting until 1961.
You've also got to look at what ATSF used it's Texans for and why. They were quite high drivered for a freight locomotive and were better suited to the flat and straight areas where their high speed power could be best used. Slogging it out up Raton was not in their design brief...
I don't know wether or not history forgot about it, but the MÁV class 242 (a streamlined 4-4-4 tank engine) would be fun to hear about.
Sweden, I think, has a working steam Turbine in preservation. Use this info as you will.
Ive heard of the Ljugastrom steam turbines all 3 saveD!
Great video 👍
Thanks for the video buds, always enjoy these video. Randomly found you through youtube reccomendations months ago and I think I'm here to stay :)
Awesome, thank you!
@@HistoryintheDark Well thank you buds :) I hope to see more interesting trains plane, and perhaps other vehicles, good or bad :)
Hi from Bulgaria thanks for the class 46 thing they are usually overlooked like the most unique Bulgarian locomotives and trust me all expect series 14 15 and 16 are unique since they were all made under specific and unique specifications aka not every locomotive can run in Bulgaria even the new Vectrons are not really normal Vectron locomotives
But here are more facts about 46.03
Steam locomotive No. 46.03 was produced in 1931 at the Polish Locomotive Factory "H. CEGIELSKI - POZNAN”, with factory number 203, type Tt 1-6-2. It is a representative of the most powerful steam locomotives in Bulgaria, the largest tender machines in Europe, A unique achievement in locomotive engineering. All locomotives of the 46.00 series, each of which for the personnel in the Sofia area was simply "grandmother Bear" - a nickname received due to their compact design, not particularly high design speed and their great power, tirelessly carry the heavy freight trains through Vladaya and Razmenna to their replacement with diesel traction in the interval 1967-1969. Steam locomotive No. 46.03 is with the "Zwilling" system. During his work, as a locomotive fireman at the Sofia depot, the revolutionary poet Nikola Yovkov Vaptsarov served on this locomotive for the longest time overall.
If there is a sequel to 5 trains that history forgot, there’s one particular locomotive that I REALLY want to have on it.
Midland Railway of Western Australia’s B class 4-4-0. Specifically B6. They were built during the 1910’s and worked on WA’s only private railway (the MRWA.) History often forgets the MRWA because it’s often overshadowed by the much larger and Iconic railways down under (ahem, WAGR W & X classes, Ahem NSWGR 3801 ahem ahem.) they were used as shunters and for local passenger trains until the MRWA dieselized in 1956, along with all its other steam locos being scrapped. B6 was the only steam loco from the MRWA to be preserved and is now located at Walkaway, on static display (in an albeit poor condition)
Another one that should be on this list is the Southern Pacific P-14 locomotives
Very interesting information 👍♐️
I absolutely love alco DL-109’s I think they look amazing especially in the Santa Fe and Milwaukee road livery
The Texas types was used with the PRR btw. You might want to see about the Alco S-1 that is at the UK at the same time of British rail. Nagoya Electric Railway's 3400 class EMU only best known after a Flood in 1959 when the railway raised their rail line that gives the appearance of the train sailing over the open sea which inspires the Anime Spirited Away.
History in the Dark, could I propose a different Top 5 list? Would you be willing to entertain the idea of a “Top 5 Survivors in Service”, a list of locomotives that are still (or were) in service for WAY longer than the original builders would have intended. In service, I am thinking mainline/shortline/industrial revenue earning traffic and not in preservation.
I suggest this idea as one of our mainline EMD bulldog nose locomotives here in Australia (GM10) has recently ticked over 70 years of mainline traffic in front line service. Apart from a period of storage during the 1990’s, it has just kept on going and shows no sign of stopping any time soon.
History in the Dark, how does that sound as an idea?
Another idea I have is "Top 5 Accidently Preserved Engines", which would be locomotives that wound up being preserved and intact either by accident or under unusual circumstances. The one that comes to my mind immediately is the 2-4-4-2 Skookum locomotive whose preservation and restoration into operation came about because the logging company that owned her had no money to remove her from the spot she derailed and she sat there for a year before being salvaged by a rail enthusiast and many years later restored.
I'm sure there's plenty of stories like that to be fair but I'm not sure of any others off the top of my head.
Nearly as long as the NSWGR A class, later known as the Z19. Lasted in service from 1877 to 1971 or so. Nearly a hundred years. Well known being used so close to the Sydney CBD :
ruclips.net/video/S0izTlCTHJc/видео.html
A great film on them.
The Buldgarian Type 56 were really 2-12-0s or 2-12-2s, not 2-12-4Ts; the trailing truck was under the tank, not under the firebox.
I love this british rail theme it is amazing
Everything BR is mentioned I have the irrational urge to wave at the screen with an evil smile
How about a video comparing the different types of valve gear ???
Fun fact: BSR class46 were build in Poland.
D16 is interesting, usually prototypes (be they planes, trains, autos and ships)put into regular service are maintenance nightmares. Sometimes to the extent that they are kept as prototype vehicles for further mods or modified to the production configuration later. For the D16 they continued in regular service and the follow up units were worse. High 5's to the builders there. If they had been followed by a full class History in the Dark would have had far fewer British locomotives to talk about
You should do top 5 unconventional successful engines
Union Pacific 9000 class or something
I feel like the Canadian National J-7 4-6-2 pacific deserves to be on this list
Always nice to see Falcon...also Dah-bee and Wills-dun #EnglishPlaceNamesAreRidiculousAndIWasBornHere.
I love the chug of a old Alco RS3,
I'll fall asleep in 15 min.
16:00 - *looks at the posters in the background* A man of taste I see.
1200 (Class 53) "Falcon" was the prototype put forward by Brush for a BR standard Type 4 at the the same time that BRC&W put forward "Lion" for the same contract.
"Lion" was nearest to the locomotive that BR wanted but in the event, BRC&W went bankrupt.
"Falcon" was twin engined and was not what BR really wanted, but Brush got the contract to build what would become Class 47 anyway.
In the mix was "DP2" which was also turned down by BR but English Electric persevered with the test program until it was written off in a accident. BR needed a pool of a further 50 type 4's due to some unreliability problems with Class 47 and decided to take 50x DP2 derivatives as Class 50's on the understanding that they would be on lease and not bought.
"Lion" was cut up to release some cash for the administrators.
"Falcon" was taken off Brush's hands for scrap value on the proviso that "Falcon" would only go for scrap when BR had finished with it and not sold on or preserved.
I saw those posters. A man of taste, I see.
Sir, when you can get the information I (and I suspect other railheads) would like to know more and the engines and transmission types used on these diesel. The usual kind of stuff, was it a 4 stroke diesel, opposed 2 stroke diesel or nuclear steam piles. The normal kind of thing. I do recognize that you can not be expected to get information on some of these vehicles, in effect it is lost in time.
Is that a Bulgarian tank engine I see?
Yes
Ah Falcon! And the lovely 10000 and 10001! All good engines but Falcon was a bit of a technological dead end, and the LMS twins were excellent machines but slightly underpowered, on the London-Glasgow expresses they had to be coupled to each other for maximum power. They later settled on London-Northampton and London-Birmingham commuter semi-fasts that were much more their cup of tea. But, of course, electrification came and despite a theoretical question about putting them on Crewe-Lincoln cross-country trains, were scrapped, one in 1963, the other in 1966.
The 10000 and 10001 D16 were the basis for the Class 37 Tractors or how I call them thrasher tanks
Falcon was powered by a pair of Brush built (under licence) Maybach engines. However, diesel technology was moving on apace, and by the time BR was considering its future build requirements, a single engine was capable of producing sufficient horsepower for its needs.
Yes, B.R. bought 500+ 47s instead. That single prime mover was nothing but trouble having to be continuously de-rated until it was only producing 80 horsepower more than the 45/46. Meanwhile the twin Maybach V-12s of "Falcon" and the 52s were still knocking out a reliable combined 2.800 hp with a plus of economy of single engine light movements or for lightweight trains. Given the re-building that the 50s needed a flock of Falcons would have been a much better investment. Both faster and lighter than the 47s.
I actually have an HO Scale Model of the DL109 in CNW Colors
Speaking of british diesels, I think that Maunsell 350 hp diesel shunter qualifies in this group because it was built in 1937, probably his last ever locomotive to be built (His Q class was only built under Oliver Bulleid). He is not known for diesels.
More suggestions: Class 460 Juniper (Gatwick Express), Bulleid 500hp diesel shunter aka British Rail 11001, DB BR 61, Schienenzeppelin, Bulleid 350hp diesel shunter aka BR Class 12
Reviewing class 46 of Bulgarian Railways, you didn't mention, that class 46 was manufactured in Poland by "Hipolit Cegielski" in Poznań.
Greetings from Europe.
During World War 2, the New Haven ran those Alco DL109s on both freight and passenger trains 24 hours a day.
The war time tonnage they handled between Boston and New York would have been brought to stand still if the New Haven only had its steam locomotives to rely on. One reason was all of the unit trains of fuel oil in tank cars they moved via rail. As tanker ships were prime targets for German U-boats offf Cape Cod and Long Island. Plus all the Troop Trains they hauled to tBoston and New York to get men to Navy ships for deployment in Europe. The New Haven steam locomotives were all Alco built except for the 1937 streamlined Hudsons built by Baldwin. So naturally they went to Alco for diesels instead of EMD. Plus the War Production Board was forcing Alco to only make steam engines and some diesel switchers. But they allowed Alco to fulfill the DL109 order for the New Haven as a vital wartime exception.
The DL109s served New Haven faithfuly and memorably. The DL109 were what the New Haven insisted upon, as they were very familiar with the539 diesel engines. By 1940 they had a bunch of 539 powered switchers and were familiar with the539 powered RS-1.
New Haven received the DL109s starting in 1942. New Haven immediately put them to hard use. During the day they ran passenger trains out of New Haven and then when the day was over immediately put them to work pulling freight out of Cedar Hill, primarily to Maybrook, NY and return. When they returned to Cedar Hill frequently they had to be hustled over to New Haven, without service to pull Springfield, Ma trains or quick load of fuel and onto Boston.
During the war years they went so many miles without recommending services that Alco was making warranty noises.
In the end, with even the poor quality of service they received in a cash strapped New Haven, they lasted into the 1960's with one lasting until Penn Central cut it up for scrap in 1970.
BR could have offered 10000 to a history or science museum
I know this is a train video, and I love those because I've watched all of HITD's videos, but I can't help but notice, my guy has painted nails :D. As a femboy I saw that and basically just went Eeeee I love it!
Love you and your content!! ❤️
I appreciate that!
@@HistoryintheDark Glad you do! Absolutely love your content! Your streams are hilarious too and actually got me to play Transport Fever 2 as well
I like the 109's look
Me too. I think they have a real 1930's "Buck Rogers" look to them.
I see you are a fan of Instrument Maniac :D
One locomotive forgotten is the Russian. tp1-1 2-10-2 cab forward steam diesel hybrid locomotive which was being tested but forgotten during ww2
It probably wouldn't be a good idea to celebrate Russia right now
The BR D16/1s have a funny story with them. Number 10000 kept her LMS Black livery years into BR ownership. The how and why is the funny part.
To quote what Wikipedia says about this...
"10000 was outshopped only three weeks before nationalisation, and when 10001 appeared in July 1948, it had British Railways livery. Ivatt 'filed' all correspondence from British Railways instructing the removal of the LMS letters, which were finally removed only upon his retirement, in 1951."
Basically
BR: Change that livery!
Henry George Ivatt: No.
Hi another good engine for this category would be the Wurttembergian K class or class 59. I would like to hear what you think about that class.
The bodyshell of the Class 53 lived on, although heavily modified as the Class 47. The Class 53 was one of the prototypes for this class along with DP2 and Lion. BR didn't like Falcon's powerplant. The same Maybach engines were used in the Westerns where they were having reliability issues IIRC. In the end the Class 47 married the Sulzer engine with the modified bodyshell of Falcon as single engine high power diesels of a lighter weight than those used in the Class 40 and this Peaks had come alond. The DP2, which used an improved version of the engine used in the Class 40, was developed into the Class 50.
Isn't the Bulgarian class 46 a Berliner Machinenbau locomotive, though?
It looks like an oversized variant of the DB Br 80 shunter.
Class 46 is entirely polish construction.
Build by Hipolit Cegielski Works in Poznań.
T&P 610 was built in the 20s darkness. They've been around as long as northerns. Kind of a shame Texas's are so overlooked.
610 is probably going to be the last 2-10-4 that will ever move under its own power, I'm sad to say.
@@michigandon yeah very true. To be honest, the best 2-10-4 to restore would be one of the ATSF 5021 class of engines. Capable of 85 mph and easily able to pull a 175 car coal drag.
@@ChargerusPrime The ATSF 5021s would pretty much be the ONLY 2-10-4s to restore at this point. Wait, I take that back. The CPR Selkirk in St Constant might (emphasis *might*) be a worthy candidate as well. Or at least she appeared in good condition "to the naked eye" when I saw her back in the early 2000s.
@@michigandon that CPR Selkirk couldn't reach the speed necessary for today's mainline running. However 1 of the 2 4-8-4s they had would be perfect. The ATSF engines are still superior due to their higher power output, boiler pressure and top speed.
In my home country India, we have a LOT of older diesel locomotives of a few freight specific classes that were built by ALCO in the 70s and 80s. Well their diesels might not be as competitive as GE's diesels, they did turn out to be outstanding.
7:07 ayo those wallpapers
What music did you use for the Falcon and the D16/1?
May I recommend checking out the Argentina steam locomotive it is a incredibly efficient steam locomotive
BR is literally the most interesting railway the world has ever seen. (And quite irritating)
The most irritating railway the world has ever seen
Hey history in the dark can you do Santa Fe 3450 becouse it is the only preserved hudson that I know of
D16/1 has almost same history as the dsb mx first generation made by frichs except one manager to suvive
Interesting wallpapers you have there…..
ALCo is long gone, but it's heritage is very healthy in India😇😇😇
Still got a few Alco units earning a dollar here in Australia as well.
@@williamadams7865 and a few shortline railroads in the US still use them. Minnesota Commercial basically is one unofficial Alco museum with just how much rare Alco/MLW equipment it owns, including the last 2 surviving RS-27's in existence.
Pls more forgoten trains!!
7:07 its to funny XD 😂😂😂😂😂
11:41 STOP YOUR KILLING ME 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
6:53 *Witness this unrelenting torrent of Bulgarian power!!!* LMFAO XDDD
Maybe you could do a list od less known European loco's?
Correction: The DL-109 was not a very good diesel, it had a terrible prime mover which made it very unreliable. But the lessons learned from the 109’s failure would pave the way for the more realizable ALCO PA.
Damn I saw that yoko litner poster on his wall
Does anyone know the title and composer of the music he uses as the British Rail theme
Suggestion for 5 trains that history forgot is the LNER O2 2-8-0, they’re are hardly talked about and history didn’t care if Gresley made a goods locomotive for the LNER
16:16 Did BR took designs from EMD F-Unit?
In fact, there are many special and interesting steam locomotives in the countries of Eastern Europe
*Darkness* :
"FIRE UP MADAME QUEEN YOU COWARDS!"
This may sound stupid, but if the BSR class 46s were capable of running though the mountains, why were the UP 9000 class restricted to the flat lands? I mean their both 12 coupled locomotives so I'm a little confused
Didn't the 46's have ABSURDLY flexible joints in the coupling rods and a lot of play in the axleboxes that the UP 9000's, good as they were, never had.
10000 and 10001 are held in high regard in Britain, they've never been forgotten.
The bogie design was used on the British Railways class EM2 DC electrics and the replica will use a pair of these bogies.
You need to learn how to pronounce Derby and Willesden! 😄
Yeah but about elsewhere?
I'd redo the channel membership, but I'm getting into trainz 3 and I need the cash for it.
Falcon was a hideous looking loco. Body profile of a 31 with a squashed 47 face. Good picture at Newport station there! Just down the road from me
Are there any 109s pressure
Weeelll to be fair to ALCO, when they first started working on diesels they had a partnership with General Electric to do it. And then World War 2 happened and the steam builders weren't allowed to really develop diesel technology. EMD, through *cough* bribing *cough* "lobbying" with General Motors money were the only manufacturer that were allowed to truly develop diesel technology during the war, which is why when the '50s rolled around they ended up much further ahead than everyone else. Of the big three steam manufacturers (the others being Baldwin, and Lima-Hamilton), ALCO competed the best with EMD and lasted the longest, that is, until General Electric backstabbed them and started building their own diesels in the '50s. ALCO just struggled on valiantly from that point until they finally closed down for good in 1969.