5 More Trains That Barely Escaped Being Scrapped | History in the Dark
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- Close calls actually happened pretty often when it came to the history of some preserved locomotives. Many came within a single act of being lost forever. Here's five more that got really lucky.
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0:00 - Intro
1:26 - LNER Class A4 4489 Dominion of Canada
5:26 - Pere Marquette 1225
11:59 - LNER B12 8572
14:27 - GER 564
17:21 - Deep River Logging #7 Skookum
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You missed one cool fact about the Dominion of Canada. Because she was never touched while she sat in the weeds, she was the most authentic, preserved A4 ever. The cab was never disturbed, and when she was restored in the UK, they discovered a lot of cool stuff!
Do you have sources on that? She's 20 minutes from my house and I want to learn more about this.
i am suprised that a bunch of teens wouldnt try to ruin it. probably because it would trigger over 99999 railfans
@@MrToothpickgamer there is a video of hauling her to the uk. There is a mention about it in there and try searching the great gathering.
@@niels6101 i found a video called the long goodbye and parts of videos called the great gathering. If you find the link to it, could you post it here please?
@@MrToothpickgamer ruclips.net/video/0matkGekLsY/видео.html
Here you go!
Nice to see Perlman's keeping his trainsaw in good working order.
to be fair, a chainsaw is likely the wrong tool for cutting up locomotives- Perlman ought to be using an Oxy-Acetylene cutting torch
"The New Stihl Trainsaw! Built for the super villains of steam engines, when the cutting torch just doesn't cut it."
Better watch out
@@SweetSunrising Nice joke
@@SweetSunrising just listen to a satisfied custommer: I WANT THAT STEAM LOCOMOTIVE.
The B12 is the only surviving inside cylinder 4-6-0 in the UK, I once had a trip behind her and is one of my favourites in preservation.
As for the Deep River Logging engine, there is a similar Baldwin 2-4-4-2 preserved in New Zealand as Glenbrook Vintage Railway #4, although a bit smaller as it is built for 3'6" narrow gauge. It was also used in logging.
For those who might be wondering about boiler tickets as mentioned during the bit on 8572, a boiler ticket is simply a certificate saying that the boiler is safe to operate. For steam engines, they last ten years, annual inspections have to take place and at the end of each ticket the locomotive has to have a major overhaul, i.e. it can't run again until the boiler's been overhauled or replaced and a new ceritficate issued.
Do any other countries have this sort of system?
Ah, locomotives holding many numbers. I think the LNER were the most ergriegous in doing this out of the Big Four, especially with all the pre-grouping stock they inherited; all BR did was add a prefix. For example, Flying Scotsman has held the numbers 1472, 4472, 103 and then under BR, 60103. Interestingly, the Great Western engines kept their original numbers under BR and as such they were the only BR numbers to have four digits; everyone else under BR had five. Not that they were immune to the occasional renumbering, e.g. several 43xx Moguls were renumbered by BR, e.g. preserved loco no. 7325 had the number 9303 while in GWR service, and the entirety of the 14xx 0-4-2T 'Autotanks' (the basis for Oliver from Thomas and Friends), were originally numbered from 4800-4874 when introduced and were renumbered in 1946, a couple of years before nationalisation.
(note: 'x' simply means zero, so 43xx = 4300.)
The only reason GWR engines kept their numbers is because BR didn’t wanna make new number plates
@@TheSudrianTerrier653 Huh, didn't know that. Wonder why that was. If they'd done new numbers for the LMS, SR and LNER engines by adding a prefix digit, why not finish the job by doing the GWR engines?
Great Eastern Railway Y14 Class (or LNER J15 Class) would also be a good choice for a 5 Best Trains Ever list. They were reliable, easy to maintain, lightweight and shockingly versatile, which earned them many decades of service.
Also, there is a cool story from their later years when an LNER Thompson B1 failed while hauling the East Anglian express. A Y14 came to the rescue and completed the journey!
Hey good list. Another loco to consider. BR class 42 D821 greyhound. Originally, the preservation company wanted to buy a class 22 diesel from BR, but even though a price was agreed, the 22 was accidentally scrapped. Embrassed, BR offered the preservation people a choice of class 42s and they chose D821 as it was in the best mechanical condition.
Skookum actually spent several years taking up space outside the shops at the Mt Rainier Scenic RR in Mineral, WA.
Me and some of my friends were part of the team who cosmetically restored 4489 Dominion of Canada at Shildon. We did indeed find lots of interesting things like a 60s newspaper under the cab. I found original LNER Garter Blue paint on the corridor tender door. All our names are behind the metal bar just above the wheels on the valances, and my name should be under the cab still.
1225 is my favorite train ever. I love her so much
There is one thing you didn't mention about dominion of Canada is that she was in a bad way when she came back to the UK with Dwight d esinhour they both looked liked they was never looked after properly but when they came back both resived a new paint job for the anniversary of mallard broke it's record
I feel rather grateful to have been able to go to the Great Gathering of the A4 Pacifics at York. I suspect that it will be decades, if ever, before it happens again.
I'm very lucky I went to the Great Gathering at both York and Shildon and had a ride behind Bittern
It would be, due to the expense of bringing Dominion of Canada and Dwight D. Eisenhower back to the UK from North America. And if you have seen the Big Moves episodes about the move of those 2 (which can be seen on YT), it was a B****, especially Dwight D. Eisenhower.
I went to that too
I went to York as well. Fantastic experience. Have cabbed all the remaking A4s.
Went to the gathering as a young boy, couldn't appreciate it then but I of course do now
There are two excellent books about Pere Marquette 1225: one by Arcadia Publishing (I forgot the authors of that book, I'll have to look it up again), and the other one is "Twelve Twenty Five: The Life and Times of a Steam Locomotive", written by rail journalist (and former MSU Railroad Club president) Kevin Keefe, and published by the Michigan State University Press.
I just ran across Arcadia Publishing. Gonna have to add that to my cart. Thanks!
@@wesw9586 I already found out the authors for the Arcadia Publishing book. Its T.J. Gaffney and Dean Pyror for Pere Marquette 1225's custodian, the Steam Railroading Institute.
There’s a steam locomotive I know that barely escaped being scrapped; ET&WNC number 12, aka Tweetsie number 12. You should put her in the next video on this subject.
My favorite loco currently in Railroads Online! Good shout, sir. The Tweetsie is gorgeous.
The ruston 48 lawries literally just saved better be on here.
I knew of an official for the New York City Transit Authority and the head of the Transit Exhibit. One day, he was told to get a set of subway cars to be scrapped. How do you hide subway cars? Simple. He knew of an abandoned subway tunnel! So he had them moved to the tunnel where they stayed until it safe and become part of the Nostalgia Special fleet!
11:43 She's not under a rebuild, she's been having some serious running gear work that SRI has gotten done thx to FMW solutions, and they're planning on running her again this year which has been brought up in a few of their posts up on Facebook. Thought I'd mention this as someone did a video on 1225 a few months ago and said the same thing which was wrong as she's just undergoing running gear work, she won't be due for another rebuild until 2028 when her flue time expires.
This was a fantastic video dark. You got 5 great locos and loads of memes! Consider me very much entertained this afternoon.
Niles Canyon Railway doesn't actually own Skookum. The locomotive is actually owned by Chris Baldo and the locomotive might move to the Roots of Motive Power Museum (where he owns another locomotive)
Your Tom Hanks impression during the Pere Marquette segment was🔥! 😂
Finally PM 1225 gets her time in the spot light.
aww skookum's story was lovely
An honorable mention must go to Lion an 1838 0-4-2 locomotive that only survived scrapping because she was used for decades as a stationary boiler on the Liverpool docks. She is in Liverpool museum. She was at one point the oldest working steam locomotive in the world.
But the question is, is it really her though apparently only the boiler and wheels survived of her and if you look at drawings from that period (the few that survive) ‘lion’ is quite different. Yes she and tiger were rebuilt but it’s safe to say that the LMS took some how’d you put it ‘artistic licensing’
@@tombarton4410 In the interest of fairness, most of the information the LMS had on the L&MR was quite limited to what we have today. All they had back then were old artistic interpretations from the period, including one depiction with a haycock firebox, and it wasn't until later years that new information and even the proper drawings of Lion (and Tiger) looked like. While the Lion of today is a 1930s interpretation of the Lion in L&MR days (and her tender is a rebuilt FR one because the Grand Junction Railway sold her to the MD&HB without the tender and scrapped it), it's still Lion and for real, how engines built around the same time are still in "original" form or still have original parts?
I would love to see more vids like this one!
I'm suprised you didn't mention 1225's interactions with 765, like the 1991 NRHS convention in Huntington, WV.
That was 1225's first "big stage" moment.
Funny fact about dominion of canada, her original name was apparently Woodcock, named after a bird. Which is even more funny when you consider the shape of the A4 looks a bit...phallic 🍆
Well done on the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine reference. An underrated series, in my opinion.
I agree 👍🏼
Very good episode.
Great video Darkness, very interesting about Dominion of Canada, living in the UK, I had forgotten it existed myself
Again thoring my hat into the ring for NER Q6 63395 about it narrow escape from scrap
The last one, abandoned and forgotten, had a very happy ending thanks to people that cared! She could easily been cut up for scrap there where she was but folks took extra work and plans to save this beauty.💕👍
Top 5 locomotives lost to war
Skookum is a new favourite. That's a damn good looking engine.
LNER B12 8572 aka The Gliding Scotsman (off-peak times) was a regular service that stopped at limited stations after the Sleeper Express was off for resting until the peak hours. LNER A4 Pacific 4472 aka The Flying Scotsman (peak times) was more of a Sleeper Express during rush hour periods. LNER A4 Streamline 4462 aka The Flying Scotsman (High Speed) was a experiment for fast travel between Scotland & London.
I am a nerd to transport like this & I read the abandoned archives which members only can get their hands on such documents.
I’m surprised about the 1225. I’ve seen her and ridden behind her. It’s one of the best looking engines ever
Aye, but the "That's not a threat. That's a promise" line. Nay, that is a declaration of war!
steam engine: exists.
Alfred e pearlman: "I WANT THAT STEAM LOCOMOTIVE, BRRRZZZZZZZZZT"
I'm familiar with 8572. The engine is actually serving as my real-life basis for Alfred in my Thomas fan series. Also, I had no idea about this part of 1225's history. Great Job as always.
Stephen from The British Railway Series is also based on 8572.
The thing is if this is Alfred, Alfred wouldn’t have been around during the events of the 3 railway engines. Hell, he’d be built after the events of Tank Engine Thomas, Again
@@tgeiii3554 My timeline is much like Victor Tanzig's Stories of Sodor series, where events of the railways series books are either inaccurate or entirely fictions.
@@tgeiii3554 He could be a prototype
@@fanofeverything30465 Alfred could be a B12, just not this specific one. 8572 was built in 1928
When you do another video like this, I highly recommend NYC S-Motor 100 and T-Motor 278 as they were abandoned by the Mohawk and Hudson Chapter until Recently where the Danbury Railway Museum aqquired them and is in process of transporting them to the museum. We are talking about NYC 100 the first US mainline electric locomotive and NYC 278 the last surviving T-motor.
0:51 imagine a rail museum board member watching this and is like, your right! Time to scrap the whole collection
Would love to see more videos on fallen flag railroads similar to the ones you did on the Chicago north western penn central and Erie lackawanna
I’d call 8572, Stephen because of watching Simon A. c. Martin’s “The British Railway Stories”.
Same
I’m happy that 8572 survived, the B12 is my favourite class of locomotive and so many LNER locomotives have been lost to preservation and many are sole survivors of their class so I’m happy that one of those survivors is a Holden B12
What about Union Pacific 3977 and 5511 ?
Also there’s one of 1225's sister’s 1223
Plus 844's older siblings 814 and 833 (838 is used for spare parts)
The Midwest RR Museum might even get 5511 restored to operation around the same time as 3985!
He mentioned 1223
If I remember, Scotsman had a close call, then being brought by Allen pegler
I love the 1225 and the A4 Dominion of Canada.
Also N&W 1218 and 2050. Carl Jensen said " I don't think so." That's what he said when asked if the Roanoke Chapter would help a consortium of volunteers get it out of the Armco steel mill and bring it to Roanoke. I was in the Roanoke Chapter 1971-77 and I never heard any discussion at a chapter meeting about rescuing 2174 either.
I freakin love the skookum
17:45 never gets old
About 1225 story, people tend to under estimate the pettiness and determination of teens and young adults
Do Union pacific 814 and 833 count ?
Cause we already know 838 is used as spare parts for 844
17:45 *B i g C h u n g u s*
I went to see the Dominion of Canada at Expo rail
1:23 getting more insane vid by vid
Make a video about the Duluth, south shore, and Atlantic!
Maybe you should do a short series of dedicated Banker locomotives for specific lines and sections of track
Pere Marquette 1225 was the object of many a play day growing up in the SW Michigan area and both parents had ties to the Lansing/St. Johns area. Lost to time are pictures of 6 or 7 year old me climbing all over it. there was no fence at the time.
I live about 15 minutes from 1225 she is a gorgeous locomotive currently at a railway preservation museum in owosso, michigan. As you said she is going through an over haul (running gear being completely redone) they also have another steam locomotives they are trying to raise funding for
Nice vid man can you do a vid about Air France flight 4590 the crash that ruined Concorde
Will you ever make another video like this because I’m surprised how Flying Scotsman wasn’t on this list
Ah! Poor Perlman. He just wants more bodies for his chop-chop shop-shop so he can use his widdle trainsaw.
If you are looking for suggestions you should look into SE&CR No. 65 and RH&DR No.4 'The Bug'
Mr. Eaton: the antithesis of Mr. Perlman...
Re the naming of locos, the GER only 2 named locos to my knowledge, Petrolea and Claud Hamilton. But here's the thing: there WAS a 'named' B12-well, sort of. The B12s were pretty powerful but had a light axle load, resulting in a good route availability. This made them favourite locos on US Army hospital trains and resulted in one bearing the unoffical name '''Yankee Doodle"! This reference is in a book published in 1945 called l believe GER Locomotives by a man called Aldrich. I will try to find it and confirm
Heh, Alfred E Perlman's running gag
12:02 ALFRED moment
I think Southern Railway 385 would be a good candidate for this series considering she’s had quite the interesting life and almost being scrapped in 1999
What locomotive class were they?
I hope that LTEX Rail will forget all about scraping EX Amtrak EMD F40PHR unit 369 and the rest of the unscrapped Amtrak F40'S.
This question has nothing to do with locomotives but rather your choice of background music. Can you please tell me the name of the song chosen behind LNER Class A4 4489?
Skookum is also the only locomotive to ever become a verb
Another steam engine barely escaped from scrap, that locomotive is Kansas City Southern No.1023 she was built in 1906 by ALCO as a 2-8-0 E3 class, in 1925 she was rebuilt into an 0-8-0 switching engine reclassified as a K1, she was retired in 1954, and was sent for scrap, the president of KCS in the 50s didn’t want any steam engines from KCS to be preserved, he literally wanted all of them scrapped, but thankfully, she was saved in 1955 from scrap, and was donated to the heart of the heartlands museum and has been cosmetically restored, today 1023 still sits on display at the museum, she’s actually the only surviving KCS steam engine and the oldest surviving KCS locomotive in existence, you should talk about her
Have you done N&W 1218?
Actually History of dark Pere Marquette 1225 has just returned to service just this year
heh, Billie the B12, i like that. :3
The EA7 saved at the last minute should be also included.
What do you mean?
@@yogabumm the Penn Central saved one EA7( or E7) as it was supposed to be scrapped but a few shop personal changed numbers and was saved at the Stratsburg Pennsylvania railroad museum. It's the only E7 that escaped the scrappers torch.
Alfred E. Perlman: WHERE ARE THE STEAM ENGEIN?! I WANT IT NOW!
Me: Hey buddy!
Alfred E. Perlman:: WHAT?
Me: You do know there alot steam trains are alive and preve and well you can't destory it for reastion and if you destory it, you go jail.
Alfred E. Perlman: I DON'T CARE I WANT THAT-
Me: Also, where you get that chainsaw? it look like you stole it from teh morden time.
Alfred E. Perlman: NO! I build it
Me: You...build it. Huh, well I will call the time cop
Time cop: Did someone said Time cop?
Me: Ya this guy here stole a morden chainsaw from teh future and he said he build it.
Time Cop: Oh really? Well I can call that someone spot man that stole from morde time and sell in time market and this man buy it so it stole items. OKay buddy your under arrest.
Alfred E. Perlman: BACK OFF! I'LL HAS TO DESTORY ALL STEAM TRAINS! I. WANT. TO. DESTORY. THAT. STEAM. TRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!
Time Cop: You can't if you do your go to jail and since your crazy and buy morden chainsaw, I has arrest you.
Alfred E. Perlman: MAKE ME! YOU WON'T TAKE ME ALIVE!
Time Cop: Okay you ask for it
(Take taster out, then shock him and he drop to the ground)
Me: Thank you sir. He upset of destory all steam trains.
Engian driver: He like this ever since he sold them to scrap right Berry?
Berry: I don't know what steam train Jon
Jon: FOR FUCK SACK BERRY! YOU ARE FUCKING ANNORY WHY!?
Berry: Because I pretend to not know.
Jon: So you pretend to not know? WHY YOU DIDN'T TELL ME?
Berry: So Alfred not know.
Me; Man, he asshole
Time Cop: Tell me about it.
That Skookulm is a jewel a true phoneix rise form the ashes.
What about cnr steam locomotive #214/1274/1521?
I have one request.
*BRING ME THAT STEAM ENGINE*
Alfred was never close to destroy those steam engines. I also went to a SteamFest event this after getting cancelled for the last few years because of, you know…
I can safely say the LNER Class A4 4489 is safe at exporail, i've gone there in 2024 and i have photos of it.
IIIIIIIIITTTTTTZZZZZZZZ KRIMA!!!!!
What about Southern Railway 4501? She escaped being scrapped not once, not twice, but three times.
That Locomotive should definitely be named after Bill
" look hawin! I survived being scrap " Dane aka 567
19:26 The colorings on the locomotive are beyond anything done before! It looks like black chrome on the cylinders and wheels and a varying torques blue green on the boiler with high lighting stripes of the same colors on the cylinders. This is an incredible color and and texture treatment! There are many other details. Engineering wise the locomotive has a large forward protruding truck that should normally make it good for high speed, but this is a logging locomotive intended for sloooowwww speeds typically less than 10 mph. It did fall off the tracks on a curve so the purchasing railroad may have had other ideas on running logging locomotives slow. Beautiful rendition of the locomotive! The color conceptualists would be nice to see their concepts for the Union Pacific Big-Boy! There is no sense what so ever keeping that engine confined to boring freight locomotives appearances. It shouldn't of had that from the begging considering what a PR poster locomotive it was likely to become.
I have to assume that P&M 1225 wasn’t just the inspiration for “Polar express” just because the man saw her as a kid….the locomotive’s number being 1225…as in 12-25….as in December 25th, Christmas, can’t just be a coincidence…I just wonder if the number made him think of Christmas while looking at the static display, or he decided to write a Christmas book and thought of the 1225 as the main focus of the story because the number fit, OR if there was some sort of Christmas display set up with 1225 and he pretty much got the idea from that.
How about a Five best rail museums.
1225 did have the lighted number boards in service
Pm was bought by c&o they didn't put c&o on all the pm engines tenders but they put on the number boards
can we agreed that Skookum is the littlest "big chungus"?
I like your reference to the Polar Express book being better than the film. Same for me with the Rev. W. Awdry´s Railway Series.
They have been ruined by Britt Allcroft. Those little books with their illustrations were just brilliant, and since the Reverend knew his stuff, all the Railway operation is « done by the (rule) book.
What's a Nor-Witch, and where do you find one? In NORR-itch, perhaps?
He's American, you know that lot lack the ability to speak English properly.
Pere Marquette 1225 is back in service now. Didn't you know?
I wanna know where Alfred got that Jhitz chainsaw.
Are these now called STIHL-Engines?
6:49 Put this guy and Pearlman in a room, and chaos will ensue.
Can you talk about how blue Peter shattered mallards speed record?
I’ve noticed that some trains get shipped over seas. HOW?
I'll call the b12 alfred Junior lol
Top 5 fictional trains
I got a pocket knife of the locomotive in number one
did you hear about how the flying scotsman was almost scrapped