This fight really shows the difference between them physically. Ellie is quiet and fast on her feet, she's able to outrun Abby with ease. However, when Abby has hold of her, Ellie is completely powerless to resit her and is completely overwhelmed by Abby's superior strength.
Had a lot of trouble sneaking around her during the third phase. She keeps spotting me even when I'm 30 feet away. Not tp mention how annoying the debris on the floor is. Its getting fun playing this round since we get to see how badass Ellie is tho😆
I don’t know who to root for. I love Ellie and Abby both. They both have good reasons for doing what they did. This game was a masterpiece and I enjoy looking at your play throughs.
Love to hear you're not one of those narrow-minded haters who see only Ellie side. The lesson that the game trying to motivate the player is understandable. TLOU2 is an amazing game.
@@robadam7230Why do people hate Abby so much?? She only killed Joel because Joel had killed her dad. She had good intentions in killing him, as contradictory as that sounds.
@@Angel43189 That's because of the stereotype used in every movies and video games that the audience strongly believe in. The protagonists are mostly portrayed to be the lovable characters with understandable backstories or good intentions in every action they commit despite the mistakes and sins they have done. The antagonists are mostly portrayed to be ruthless characters who only care about themselves and might betray their own friends when they're about to lose although some antagonists are portrayed to be sympathetic characters with heart-breaking backstories. However, if the antagonists kill the protagonists no matter their reason, we hate them to death. (Resident Evil, GTA, Mafia and some other games or movies like them are the example of that stereotype). But TLOU franchise is different from them. There are no heros or villians but just everyone who only see their pain and no sympathy for others stories to realize that they are no different from each other.
@@colepayne7988 you came to this comment after almost a whole year to try and shit on this dude, not knowing if he came to that realization on his own or not in that time....the internet is full of some weird ass people lol.
This was such an emotional scenario. I really warmed up to Abby, and felt close to her during her gameplay (protective even) - she is an underrated character, and her story is intense. To confront Ellie like this was very demanding emotionally. I actually forgot the whole purpose of the game: Ellie. And she comes back, and it's such a hit to the heart. How they make you get so attached to both of them, and the conflict is so real. Amazing game. They really nailed it with this fight in particular.
Abby scared the shit out of me shooting Jesse and hurting Tommy. I didn't expect her to barge in tbh, cause Mel and Owen mentioned her on a island somewhere.
When I first played this part, Ellie literally planted the bomb right in front of me (5:05 in the video) and I was like "bitch, I invented that" and threw a bottle at the bomb so it exploded right next to Ellie lol
I honestly don’t actually remember Ellie using the bombs last time I played, but it was still terrifying all the same. Easily one of the coolest moments in gameplay during that fight was when I was trying to sneak up on her, but the super bright red light behind me made Ellie NOTICE MY SHADOW. And right before she turns around to put one right between Abby’s eyes, I dodge behind cover in time. I felt so badass. This game is so damn good.
I really love the whole entire segment where Ellie is being choked out, the piercing sound of the knife unsheathing and then into abbie screaming in pain. The way Abby puts her entire body into the punch so much so that she collapses from the fresh wound on her leg, it is satisfying to see something so realistic!
bro, you helped me a lot, i'm playing in punitive mode and with permanent death, and i was afraid to die in this part and go back to the beginning of the act, thank you so much
So, something that I really appreciate about this game is the dynamic of these two characters. Ellie and Abby are almost EXACTLY the same in terms of their need for revenge. Both lost someone special to them. For Abby, it was the loss of her father, who was actually killed by Joel, and the reason Abby targeted Joel in the first place. Sure, she was pissed that Joel took the only living cure that could save the world, but Abby’s father was the last true connection to any kind of humanity that Abby had, and the reason she went on a path of revenge. And with Ellie, it was the death of Joel at Abby’s hands that set her on her path of vengeance. And just like Ellie killed Abby’s friends, Abby killed Ellie’s friends. Their fates are ultimately intertwined in a vicious cycle of hatred and violence. And when it came time for them to finally face each other, Abby’s hunger for vengeance is why she was able to win against Ellie the first time, but it was Ellie’s thirst for vengeance that helped her win the second time they met. That and Abby was so withered and broken that she could barely move. I’m honestly surprised she could even stand up, let alone put up a fight. And people wonder why Ellie decided not to kill Abby at the end of the game. I’ve always thought it was because she realized that it wouldn’t be what Joel would’ve wanted. But, now that I think about it, I don’t think that was the case. The answer to this dilemma was in this first fight. If Abby wanted to, she could’ve killed both Dina and Ellie at the end of this fight, and she would’ve done it had it not been for Lev. But Abby chose not to do it, because she already won. She got her vengeance just by beating Ellie to a bloody pulp. And so there was no point in killing Ellie, because in the end, that wouldn’t have brought her friends back, much less fix whatever was happening in her camp. Also, Abby was filled with so much trauma from losing her friend that she just had to fight and beat Ellie in order to overcome her trauma. So, ultimately, Abby gave Ellie another chance at life. How she chose to live it was up to her. Which is why when Ellie chose not to kill Abby, she was faced with the same conclusion. Killing Abby wasn’t necessary anymore. All Ellie had to do was face Abby and beat her in order to win against the trauma that was weighing her down and why she couldn’t return to a sense of normalcy. It’s why I actually want to see Abby and Ellie come back together in the third game.
You explained that very well. Wish I could show this to my friend who despises The Last Of Us II and its characters for purely ideological reasons without actually having played either of the games… I’ve heard people taking the game’s story the wrong way and refusing to listen to any explanation, but I personally think the it all comes together well in the end. I enjoyed it at least.
@@stove7424 no u guys got it a bit wrong. i feel like it was clear why Ellie was extra pissed at Abby for killing Joel. The night before his death, right after the party, Ellie finally built up the courage to begin to forgive Joel of his very controversial decision to save Ellie and probably doom humanity without a cure. In some conversations with Dina during first patrol, Ellie had planned to watch a movie with Joel the night that he died. Abby killed Joel at such an extra shitty time, that Ellie realised that she WASTED so many years living in contempt for a man who loved her so dearly and proudly as her father figure. Abby robbed the chance for Ellie to forgive Joel and truly rekindle their relationship, and now, Ellie truly, viciously blames herself for wasting those 2 years. Abby is just a goal. A goal to distract herself from the truly horrifying reality that she spent the last 2 years of her life HATING the man who saved her selfishly and doomed the world for her. As Ellie drowns Abby, Ellie remembers their last conversation with Joel in his porch, and realises that despite the wasted years, Joel died knowing that Ellie knows how much he truly cared for her (more than the entire world) AND that Joel died knowing that Ellie knows this and loves him. In short, Ellie didnt kill Abby because she begin the traumatic but necessary process of FORGIVING HERSELF. FORGIVING HERSELF for those 2 years of very valid emotions of survivor's guilt. She sees Abby with Lev, and sees a mirror of Joel and herself. ELLIE GIVES THEM WHAT SHE COULDNT HAVE.
Now this? This is what you call Grounded. No HUD and Prompts. Just like in the other game. But i feel like it's a lot harder to play without Prompts in this one than the last.
You really gotta hand it to naughty dog on this fight man. The lighting, the crashing through the floor, the bricks and chains. Its a full on cage match in hell for revenge
Yeah she's obviously got trap mines so that's a biggie. Either that or get rid of the ladder Abby get access to the building by. Or put a trap mine the other side of the window. I mean, how dumb is Ellie: first doesn't remember she's left the map at the aquarium - with her exact location pinpointed on it - then it doesn't occur to her that Abby, or anyone else, might come after her. Not exactly plot holes but out of character for Ellie.
@@anderson_abigail3322 She definitely was. Her journal at the farm before she leave for Santa Barbara talks about her being relieved that hardly thought about Seattle for one day, and I'm sure the whole Seattle experience was a big part of her PTSD (though that could have been made a lot clearer). So yes being in shock could accoutn for that oversight. I guess what I meant as well is that it seems to me out of character for someone who's normally so smart not to have blocked off the ladder or put a trap mine at the window soon after she and Dina found the theatre.
@@smoker5989 I mean that is the problem here though. Ellie wanted Abby to suffer, so she wasn't going to do anything that'd kill her fast. She goes for blunt force trauma first. When that fails, she goes for a small pistol walking around in the open. When that fails, she resorts to stealth planting trip mines. She progressively realized she couldn't choose how to kill Abby to inflict the most amount of suffering. It was just a matter of survival.
I shocked myself by completing this part in one go with no damage after failing hundreds of time during the rest of the game 😂 not to brag I’m just really proud of myself lmao
@@derphilosophist agreed. the rat king fight is MANAGEABLE (though ultra scary) if u are good at sprinting and keeping ur distance from enemies. I found that final mini rat king fight more difficult lol
finally a gameplay with someone who takes the game seriously. not like those idiots who get killed on purpose just because they impersonate Abby. Compliments!
I just played this part today. Compared to the David fight in Part 1 (I play Remastered) this was actually easier. Being able to stun Ellie with bottles and stuff was a less daunting task than running over broken plays silently. But that fight was one of the most brutal things I have seen in a while. I felt every punch and I normally don’t.
So this is something I never really thought about but since ellie bit abby during the fight sequence shouldn't she become an infected or because she's immune she can't technically turn other people like I know she didn't get dina infected but I feel like that would have been a cool way for abby to die
Seriously... especially since she wanted to hunt down Abby later on, it would've been somewhat interesting if she found Abby had gotten infected with the bite
@@DinoMeat-qw4lg they could've at least made some sort of twist where Abby was also immune but her dad, like Joel, was too selfish to let his girl die. Have Abby find out through a recording her father made or something. Even then, it probably wouldn't matter since people hated the game before it even came out.
I understand why people are saying Ellie doesn't act like this during combat, cause she doesn't, but maybe it's because of her adrenaline and how much she wanted to kill Abby for what she did to Joel.
@@kacethegreat4560 my main problem is that Joel literally just saved her life and she still killed him with no hesitation kinda just goes to show much of an asshole she is but then she doesn’t kill Dina cos what’s his face told her not too loool just an over all badly written character
Would I like someone who sadistically tortures people and seems overall insensitive to violence? Would I want to be their friend? Of course fucking not. I'd want to stay far away from them. BUT, I understand where Abby is coming from, which is different.
You don't have to like it, but let video game creators tell the story they want to tell. You can dislike a story without trashing someone's right to tell it.
@@elishawilson5342 and her father wanted to kill Ellie and now ? Joel just killed her father because he stood between him and Ellie. Abby tortured and murdered Joel in front of Tommy and Ellie while she begged her to stop and she didn’t even show any kind of regret about what she did. Guys like you are very easy to manipulate if u really wanna believe Abby is the good one in this story
@@ultraslan5613 you can't just kill someone's father and not expect someone to come for you especially as they were gonna create a cure for the world and no one says she's a good one but neither is Joel he's done things just as bad if not worse than Abby has you just got him on a pedestal you don't wanna see he's wrong too
i think this game def wouldve worked better if abby embedded herself into jackson, got to know joel. it would give her revenge even more weight. not only would she have gained their trust in a realistic way, there couldve been more internal conflict with her going forward with revenge, which ties into ellies internal conflict of forgiveness vs revent. abbys friends def think joel deserves it bc of the cost he inflicted on the world. wouldve created interesting tension too of waiting for the other shoe to drop, forcing their hand as ellie and her friends suss out their intentions. i dont mind the introduction of her character. joel has definitely hurt good people being complex himself, and i dont think its out of the question for people related to his victims to come after him in this dark and bleak world. prob wouldve made the game longer but i think i wouldve connected with abby more if she had more conflict about vengeance. its not an easy thing, esp killing someone in front of their loved ones, even if you hate them/build up hate for them
Story aside, I would have loved a proper rematch with Abby as Ellie. Ellie only won in Santa Barbara because Abby was almost starved to death and tortured, and even then it wasn’t by a lot. Imagine going up against Abby at her full strength. I feel like it would be a cool thing to mod into the game if The Last of Us 2 was on PC, but unfortunately it’s not. ):
The point of this game is the futility of vengeance. Although in my mind this scene is truly where Abby transforms from villain to hero by sparing Ellie and Dina and letting go of her murderous rage, thanks in no part to Lev.
there were several moments in this fight where ellie could have killed abby in moments like the stab in the leg where abby was clearly down and ellie got up first and of course she could very well dodge a shot but not a molotov or an automatic bomb, that it's fact,besides that strength isn't always everything and ellie is probably smart at the same level as abby,the main proof is her fights against brute seraphites and how each one manages to destroy them in 1v1
The amount of people doing mental gymnastics to defend the flaws in the writing is beyond ridiculous and pathetic. You're in an abandoned building, you know how many are with you and where they are, Tommy would hear those footsteps coming down those stairs at the beginning. This whole scene's setup was not well thought out. The game gives you no consequences for failing at stealth and that breaks immersion.
abby is military trained. and hunting in the wild with loud leaves personally, you learn to walk with your heel first. she probably did the same thing too. walk with her heels to avoid making noise.
@@averageboi5195 Of course you could make that argument easily, but the game doesn't address it and audible footsteps that echo through the empty building are produced as you direct her towards and then down the stairs just before the scene starts. I'm not saying she couldn't have done so as someone with training, I'm saying this isn't conveyed in the game. It makes Tommy look grossly incompetent for how much experience he has, a big contradiction. The player should be penalised for not sneaking the entire time they're in unknown territory rather than just conveniently putting Abby into stealth mode when the scene triggers and having Tommy ignore or just happen to not hear her walking around upstairs before that. It would be more immersive and believable. That's all I meant.
I get what you’re saying, but it’s not hard to sneak up on someone (I’ve done it). You’d be surprised that most people aren’t aware of their surroundings. Things can make noise when you’re moving on it, but the ambient noise can overlap it. Plus Tommy was distracted with diamonds.
@@DialloMoore503 That's a horrendous excuse for horrendous writing. Tommy has been at this for DECADES. He's killed far worse than Abby to survive. He would NOT let his guard down at such a critical juncture, he KNEW that she had survived him picking her friends off with a rifle. At best it's lazy writing to get us to the Boss fight against Ellie when that could have happened a million other, far more organic ways.
@@XJ0461C You make an excellent point, and the writing is very flawed with this narrative ; I agree. However, it wouldn’t have been impossible for someone like Abby to sneak up on Tommy undetected. There were only two ways to gain access to the building (that I recall); The main entrance and the fire escape. Now it would’ve been smart to secure the second floor window, but maybe it never crossed their minds with everything that was going on. Abby knew that she couldn’t take a direct aggressive approach to her target by beating on the front door. She had to make her presence unknown. That part of the theater had carpet floors-easy to not make noise on. Now let’s say that the window was locked. Abby probably would’ve waited outside until one of them came out. Either way she would’ve found a way to get inside-she had determination. But I get what you’re saying. I personally don’t keep my back turned to any entry/exit point. I’d actually like to know how you would’ve wrote it differently. How does that scenario unfold in your mind?
So I didn't play the game, but I heard of the whole controversy and enjoyed the NakeyJakey vid about it. But then I see this and think, "Damn, I love everything about this." Seems like an excellent sequence, narratively and mechanically.
This is it, this is where I end the game because I cannot for the life of me get past the very first phase, she spots me immediately, runs over and shoots me. Is my Ps4 adding bells to my shoes or something? Why is this so damn infuriating?
I thought it was simple enough. I'm sure you've beaten it by now, but if you don't know, then you should know, it's all about avoiding those stupid chains hanging down, finding a way to position yourself behind ellie, throwing a glass bottle at the back of her head and then running up on her. bottle to the dome = win.
What I think is so cool I saw where someone said in this scene Ellie is mimicking the way you played her so if u crafted a lot of bombs and booby traps or if you were fast and brutal it would be like plying against yourself
@@shinrapresident7010 lol theres plenty of women in the ufc today that would easily take down most men. Especially a women in her prime age against an older man. And one whos also physically stronger and knows how to fight and kill people with their hands.
I hate the character of Abby, I don't even care about her side, she killed Joel. If her father allowed Joel to get Ellie with an ease then her father would not die.
This is a pretty close representation of how I would have liked an actual Batman vs Joker fight to go in the Arkham series, not just Joker injecting himself with steroids or cinematic one-sided beatdowns. Like Abby, Batman would most likely easily win against Joker in a straight fight, but like Ellie Joker would have every other advantage available to him to even the gap.
This fight was incredibly hard for me, ellie shot me, knifed me so many times. I have died in this part alone twice as much as i did through the entire game... The rat king supposedly a hard fight I did that on my first try without an issue, but this one was... Incredible. What made it even harder was that I was actually rooting for both of them.
Look I have no skin in this game but holy shit people are gonna get so pissed when they see pedro get his head caved in again. I think Neil Druckmann might be stupid.
I wasted more than an hour in the last part where Ellie starts to place the sticky bomb on the ground. I thought Abby has to repeatedly blast the bomb until Ellie is down. I blasted her 3 times but Ellie never down. It turned out Abby has to quickly charge at her after Ellie got blasted.
INGL, having to fight Ellie was tough for me (yes, I know it’s a game). I get so into games, and love characters, I still get pissed every time I play through…having to play as Abby. Ellie is such a boss…it would have been epic for an all-Ellie game. Maybe next time? Also siiick gameplay man :)
This fight really shows the difference between them physically. Ellie is quiet and fast on her feet, she's able to outrun Abby with ease. However, when Abby has hold of her, Ellie is completely powerless to resit her and is completely overwhelmed by Abby's superior strength.
@@space_obama3708 what does that have to do with this 😭
@@space_obama3708 That's irrelevant in this context.
@@space_obama3708 what
I think @Space_Obama is calling Abby a guy
@@space_obama3708 i get the joke, you’re calling abby a guy
Holy shit Ellie killed me so many times. She is no joke on grounded seriously.
Had a lot of trouble sneaking around her during the third phase. She keeps spotting me even when I'm 30 feet away. Not tp mention how annoying the debris on the floor is. Its getting fun playing this round since we get to see how badass Ellie is tho😆
@@vergilsmotivation7817 lol not gonna lie Elie was okay on hard
@@fire_storm277 yeah you should try grounded. She's something else.😮
It's very easy when you train! my world record was 2.40,minutes to end the fight
Whenever she killed me I was like "it's because I trained her too well" 😆
I always feel sad for Jessie... He literally didn't realize what was happening and he died in 0.037 seconds...
It's better to die quick without knowing what happened than to know its coming and die slowly like Joel did.
It was always a risk. Not too bad dying by your friends side
@@Warhead_235 Man that's rough.... Hope you doing alright mate. Good day
Blame Ellie for that
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I won't lie this was hardest part of the game for me. Elie put up a damn good fight.
I don’t know who to root for. I love Ellie and Abby both. They both have good reasons for doing what they did. This game was a masterpiece and I enjoy looking at your play throughs.
Love to hear you're not one of those narrow-minded haters who see only Ellie side. The lesson that the game trying to motivate the player is understandable. TLOU2 is an amazing game.
@@robadam7230Why do people hate Abby so much?? She only killed Joel because Joel had killed her dad. She had good intentions in killing him, as contradictory as that sounds.
@@Angel43189 That's because of the stereotype used in every movies and video games that the audience strongly believe in. The protagonists are mostly portrayed to be the lovable characters with understandable backstories or good intentions in every action they commit despite the mistakes and sins they have done. The antagonists are mostly portrayed to be ruthless characters who only care about themselves and might betray their own friends when they're about to lose although some antagonists are portrayed to be sympathetic characters with heart-breaking backstories. However, if the antagonists kill the protagonists no matter their reason, we hate them to death. (Resident Evil, GTA, Mafia and some other games or movies like them are the example of that stereotype). But TLOU franchise is different from them. There are no heros or villians but just everyone who only see their pain and no sympathy for others stories to realize that they are no different from each other.
@blitz682 Before killing Joel, Abby has done some horrific things people. Therefore making her like Mel said a her a piece of shit.
@@robadam7230Sure it is. You're full of shit.
This fight literally gave me goosebumps. What an experience this was!
. @Leander dreamed i got laid by Ellie 😍🚼whas so beautifull
Pure boiling-savage rage
The detail at 4:42 when Abby tries to pull out the knife... i swear the small things really sell this game visually
Sorry but u need to clean ur glasses grampa
The knife isn't stuck in her leg
She's just in pain in that area and loosing blood
@@colepayne7988 yeah I know
@@lambdaweaponscache5394 u clearly don't lol
@@colepayne7988 you came to this comment after almost a whole year to try and shit on this dude, not knowing if he came to that realization on his own or not in that time....the internet is full of some weird ass people lol.
@@Clown_Syndrome Did you really check their time? What a weirdo...
This was such an emotional scenario. I really warmed up to Abby, and felt close to her during her gameplay (protective even) - she is an underrated character, and her story is intense. To confront Ellie like this was very demanding emotionally. I actually forgot the whole purpose of the game: Ellie. And she comes back, and it's such a hit to the heart. How they make you get so attached to both of them, and the conflict is so real. Amazing game. They really nailed it with this fight in particular.
Also, incredible gameplay, but that goes without saying! Thank you for these.
Abby scared the shit out of me shooting Jesse and hurting Tommy. I didn't expect her to barge in tbh, cause Mel and Owen mentioned her on a island somewhere.
When I first played this part, Ellie literally planted the bomb right in front of me (5:05 in the video) and I was like "bitch, I invented that" and threw a bottle at the bomb so it exploded right next to Ellie lol
haha it's cool to see Ellie act the same way as she does when we play as her.
I honestly don’t actually remember Ellie using the bombs last time I played, but it was still terrifying all the same. Easily one of the coolest moments in gameplay during that fight was when I was trying to sneak up on her, but the super bright red light behind me made Ellie NOTICE MY SHADOW.
And right before she turns around to put one right between Abby’s eyes, I dodge behind cover in time.
I felt so badass. This game is so damn good.
Ellie fights based on how you play her so it's funny she did that to you lmao
This is the most impactful and realistic clash between two battle trained, badass women in the history of video games.
I really love the whole entire segment where Ellie is being choked out, the piercing sound of the knife unsheathing and then into abbie screaming in pain. The way Abby puts her entire body into the punch so much so that she collapses from the fresh wound on her leg, it is satisfying to see something so realistic!
Love the way her hand shakes when she tries to remove the knife, like it's so intense it causes her to recoil.
@@NerdTrap oooo nice catch! I’ll look for it!!
@Solid Snake gotta love pseudo canon injuries that shouldn’t be pseudo canon
Women beating up men is unrealistic. Stop play games written by sjws.
@@ScoldedLuck yall are alarmingly into the gore and details lmao
bro, you helped me a lot, i'm playing in punitive mode and with permanent death, and i was afraid to die in this part and go back to the beginning of the act, thank you so much
nice ,, urw
Not gonna lie Ellie had me absolutely shook when she started crafting. 😂
Time stamp please?
@@tlouonps4 5:03
So, something that I really appreciate about this game is the dynamic of these two characters. Ellie and Abby are almost EXACTLY the same in terms of their need for revenge. Both lost someone special to them. For Abby, it was the loss of her father, who was actually killed by Joel, and the reason Abby targeted Joel in the first place. Sure, she was pissed that Joel took the only living cure that could save the world, but Abby’s father was the last true connection to any kind of humanity that Abby had, and the reason she went on a path of revenge. And with Ellie, it was the death of Joel at Abby’s hands that set her on her path of vengeance. And just like Ellie killed Abby’s friends, Abby killed Ellie’s friends. Their fates are ultimately intertwined in a vicious cycle of hatred and violence. And when it came time for them to finally face each other, Abby’s hunger for vengeance is why she was able to win against Ellie the first time, but it was Ellie’s thirst for vengeance that helped her win the second time they met. That and Abby was so withered and broken that she could barely move. I’m honestly surprised she could even stand up, let alone put up a fight. And people wonder why Ellie decided not to kill Abby at the end of the game. I’ve always thought it was because she realized that it wouldn’t be what Joel would’ve wanted. But, now that I think about it, I don’t think that was the case. The answer to this dilemma was in this first fight. If Abby wanted to, she could’ve killed both Dina and Ellie at the end of this fight, and she would’ve done it had it not been for Lev. But Abby chose not to do it, because she already won. She got her vengeance just by beating Ellie to a bloody pulp. And so there was no point in killing Ellie, because in the end, that wouldn’t have brought her friends back, much less fix whatever was happening in her camp. Also, Abby was filled with so much trauma from losing her friend that she just had to fight and beat Ellie in order to overcome her trauma. So, ultimately, Abby gave Ellie another chance at life. How she chose to live it was up to her. Which is why when Ellie chose not to kill Abby, she was faced with the same conclusion. Killing Abby wasn’t necessary anymore. All Ellie had to do was face Abby and beat her in order to win against the trauma that was weighing her down and why she couldn’t return to a sense of normalcy. It’s why I actually want to see Abby and Ellie come back together in the third game.
Man, that was a really great analysis!
You explained that very well. Wish I could show this to my friend who despises The Last Of Us II and its characters for purely ideological reasons without actually having played either of the games… I’ve heard people taking the game’s story the wrong way and refusing to listen to any explanation, but I personally think the it all comes together well in the end. I enjoyed it at least.
I honestly thought that when she had that quick flashback of Joel she didn’t want to become him
@@stove7424 no u guys got it a bit wrong. i feel like it was clear why Ellie was extra pissed at Abby for killing Joel.
The night before his death, right after the party, Ellie finally built up the courage to begin to forgive Joel of his very controversial decision to save Ellie and probably doom humanity without a cure. In some conversations with Dina during first patrol, Ellie had planned to watch a movie with Joel the night that he died. Abby killed Joel at such an extra shitty time, that Ellie realised that she WASTED so many years living in contempt for a man who loved her so dearly and proudly as her father figure.
Abby robbed the chance for Ellie to forgive Joel and truly rekindle their relationship, and now, Ellie truly, viciously blames herself for wasting those 2 years. Abby is just a goal. A goal to distract herself from the truly horrifying reality that she spent the last 2 years of her life HATING the man who saved her selfishly and doomed the world for her.
As Ellie drowns Abby, Ellie remembers their last conversation with Joel in his porch, and realises that despite the wasted years, Joel died knowing that Ellie knows how much he truly cared for her (more than the entire world) AND that Joel died knowing that Ellie knows this and loves him.
In short, Ellie didnt kill Abby because she begin the traumatic but necessary process of FORGIVING HERSELF. FORGIVING HERSELF for those 2 years of very valid emotions of survivor's guilt. She sees Abby with Lev, and sees a mirror of Joel and herself. ELLIE GIVES THEM WHAT SHE COULDNT HAVE.
wow you nerd. it's just a game
Now this? This is what you call Grounded. No HUD and Prompts. Just like in the other game. But i feel like it's a lot harder to play without Prompts in this one than the last.
You really gotta hand it to naughty dog on this fight man. The lighting, the crashing through the floor, the bricks and chains. Its a full on cage match in hell for revenge
You made it look so easy! :O
Probably because it is
@@rockhardjohnson3691 NOOOO! Moderate difficulty costed me a controller (long story)
@@FoxMcLoud-pt5ho hahaha
It is
@@diegotm4365 You wanna hear the long story? I got time, lol
I wonder how exactly Ellie, Dina and Tommy recovered after this massive fight
tommy literally revived after a shot in the head
@@fernandokuzunoha8844 I meant how did they all manage to leave the studio and go back to Jackson and set up the ranch that Dina stays in with her kid
@@fernandokuzunoha8844 weny through shoulder
They mended their injuries the best they could with their supplies and rested before heading back. Their journey is only like two days worth
@@eproductions5115 wrong. She shot him in the back of the head. That’s why he’s missing his eye when you see him again
I didn't expect that the theater became a battlefield. I thought there was just a safe room.
If I were Ellie I’d have set a nail bomb outside of the door Abby walks through in the beginning before she got hit by a plank of wood
Yeah she's obviously got trap mines so that's a biggie. Either that or get rid of the ladder Abby get access to the building by. Or put a trap mine the other side of the window. I mean, how dumb is Ellie: first doesn't remember she's left the map at the aquarium - with her exact location pinpointed on it - then it doesn't occur to her that Abby, or anyone else, might come after her. Not exactly plot holes but out of character for Ellie.
@@ivanhoe8591 maybe ellie was shocked after killing an unknown pregnant woman.
@@anderson_abigail3322 She definitely was. Her journal at the farm before she leave for Santa Barbara talks about her being relieved that hardly thought about Seattle for one day, and I'm sure the whole Seattle experience was a big part of her PTSD (though that could have been made a lot clearer). So yes being in shock could accoutn for that oversight. I guess what I meant as well is that it seems to me out of character for someone who's normally so smart not to have blocked off the ladder or put a trap mine at the window soon after she and Dina found the theatre.
Shhh how dare you to critize Neil's plot you're just a bigot who don't understand the story (sarcasm)
@@smoker5989 I mean that is the problem here though. Ellie wanted Abby to suffer, so she wasn't going to do anything that'd kill her fast. She goes for blunt force trauma first. When that fails, she goes for a small pistol walking around in the open. When that fails, she resorts to stealth planting trip mines. She progressively realized she couldn't choose how to kill Abby to inflict the most amount of suffering. It was just a matter of survival.
4:05 Ellie's shotgun disappears.
She lets it fall on the floor
Abby: you killed my friends.
I wanted to say 'you killed Joel first', but we all know why she killed him in a first place.
True
should've let it go
@@Nyeem1.00 you could say the same for Ellie
Well even while I know the reason, I can't forgive her for killing Joel..🙂
@@Meigo3 same issue with Abby father. It's a paradox.
The biggest challenge for most players was certainly not fighting Elly but resisting the urge to just let Elly win, if they even come that far.
I did run Abby straight into Ellie's crosshair just to see what it would do. My disappointment was immeasurable, and my day ruined.
nah by that point i loved both of them but knew what had to happen so was dreading it
I was so mad I let Elly kill Abby and deleted the game😂😂
I shocked myself by completing this part in one go with no damage after failing hundreds of time during the rest of the game 😂 not to brag I’m just really proud of myself lmao
That’s how I felt when I killed the Rat King first try 😂 I was like „wtf just happened? Why haven’t i died yet?“
nah you deserve bragging rights- that’s impressive
@@derphilosophist agreed. the rat king fight is MANAGEABLE (though ultra scary) if u are good at sprinting and keeping ur distance from enemies. I found that final mini rat king fight more difficult lol
I mean you basically have to do this without taking damage lol. Because if you attack her head on. It’s an automatic death.
@@eldudereno204 nah she can give you damage without an auto death in the first round for sure. I think her traps also can too
finally a gameplay with someone who takes the game seriously.
not like those idiots who get killed on purpose just because they impersonate Abby.
Compliments!
True
Getting Abby killed by Ellie on purpose is the canon ending
@@waydevanniekerk7886 yeah, sure...
@@waydevanniekerk7886 Abby > Ellie
@@namyar4254 She is stronger yes, but doesn't make her a good character
I’ve replayed this game soooo many times..... Masterpiece 💯
You're one of the good uns
You are one of us
You are the last of us
4 NPCS ^
@@Shockkings0714 just because people liked a game you didn’t doesn’t mean their an npc idiot
Omg, it look so easy. You're really good!! I'm gonna take you as a guide💕
for reference how many times did it take you to kill her? I saw that dodge on the first shot, and i knew this was not a fun time
That was awesome game no matter what the critics said and I hope we will see Abby and Ellie once more.
I just played this part today. Compared to the David fight in Part 1 (I play Remastered) this was actually easier. Being able to stun Ellie with bottles and stuff was a less daunting task than running over broken plays silently. But that fight was one of the most brutal things I have seen in a while. I felt every punch and I normally don’t.
Idk man Ellie kept dodging my bottles 😭😭
@@bug688 She can dodge? I must not be on a high enough difficulty.
@@gravewalkerfilms2209 yeah Grounded is scary
The thumbnail be like:
"Grounded, no damage"
...
"Except for Jesse"
4:26 every other time a main character gets pinned and pulls out a knife, they strike the neck.
So this is something I never really thought about but since ellie bit abby during the fight sequence shouldn't she become an infected or because she's immune she can't technically turn other people like I know she didn't get dina infected but I feel like that would have been a cool way for abby to die
Seriously... especially since she wanted to hunt down Abby later on, it would've been somewhat interesting if she found Abby had gotten infected with the bite
thats so true!!
@@N3WTROLLkid i feel like the game missed out on an opportunity there..
That'd be a very mindless ending...either way Ellie can't get other people infected or immune with her bite.
@@DinoMeat-qw4lg they could've at least made some sort of twist where Abby was also immune but her dad, like Joel, was too selfish to let his girl die. Have Abby find out through a recording her father made or something.
Even then, it probably wouldn't matter since people hated the game before it even came out.
That punch at 4:31 i felt that 😮
I understand why people are saying Ellie doesn't act like this during combat, cause she doesn't, but maybe it's because of her adrenaline and how much she wanted to kill Abby for what she did to Joel.
Cope. It’s bc they can’t write Ellie’s AI to mimic a human
@@MikhailFederov facts Ellie had every advantage
Hard to see Ellie get rocked like that, that's the homie 😩 lol
How anyone can like Abby is beyond me
i don’t like her, but I don’t hate her and I definitely understand where she was coming from..
@@kacethegreat4560 my main problem is that Joel literally just saved her life and she still killed him with no hesitation kinda just goes to show much of an asshole she is but then she doesn’t kill Dina cos what’s his face told her not too loool just an over all badly written character
Because we’re the type to see characters the way they are and can be we don’t hate them just because lmao Y’all the type that hate on anybody
Would I like someone who sadistically tortures people and seems overall insensitive to violence? Would I want to be their friend? Of course fucking not. I'd want to stay far away from them. BUT, I understand where Abby is coming from, which is different.
Wish they can make you choose between ellie or Abby
That would be great! Unfortunately Naughty Dog's games are very scripted.
If that was the case there would be too many variables to do a last of us 3
Like Detroit become human Connor and Markus fight
I didn't want to fight ellie 😮
Genius, bro!
the nerve to make you fight ellie as abby on top of making you play as abby for half the game
And ironically save Abby as Ellie when you finally get the chance to get revenge. lol.
You don't have to like it, but let video game creators tell the story they want to tell. You can dislike a story without trashing someone's right to tell it.
@@gigachad3925 and they can dislike my opinion so its fair
Think I am coming up on 1 hour straight for this fight so far.
Abby clearly won that fight despite being outnumbered. Haters gonna hate.
she's still a terrible character
@@WriterDude130 No.
@@WriterDude130 no she's not you just can't stand that she killed Joel for killing her father
@@elishawilson5342 and her father wanted to kill Ellie and now ? Joel just killed her father because he stood between him and Ellie. Abby tortured and murdered Joel in front of Tommy and Ellie while she begged her to stop and she didn’t even show any kind of regret about what she did. Guys like you are very easy to manipulate if u really wanna believe Abby is the good one in this story
@@ultraslan5613 you can't just kill someone's father and not expect someone to come for you especially as they were gonna create a cure for the world and no one says she's a good one but neither is Joel he's done things just as bad if not worse than Abby has you just got him on a pedestal you don't wanna see he's wrong too
Doing this battle on Grounded + Permadeath it's just too stressful, i'm like over a hour trying to clear this thing 🤡
Never imagined that we've gone through the Ellie's journey just see her as opponent at the end.
I'm glad that they had the second round.
i think this game def wouldve worked better if abby embedded herself into jackson, got to know joel. it would give her revenge even more weight. not only would she have gained their trust in a realistic way, there couldve been more internal conflict with her going forward with revenge, which ties into ellies internal conflict of forgiveness vs revent. abbys friends def think joel deserves it bc of the cost he inflicted on the world. wouldve created interesting tension too of waiting for the other shoe to drop, forcing their hand as ellie and her friends suss out their intentions. i dont mind the introduction of her character. joel has definitely hurt good people being complex himself, and i dont think its out of the question for people related to his victims to come after him in this dark and bleak world. prob wouldve made the game longer but i think i wouldve connected with abby more if she had more conflict about vengeance. its not an easy thing, esp killing someone in front of their loved ones, even if you hate them/build up hate for them
I’m mad at this bcuz Ellie could’ve done more in this battle
I didn't like how the had Ellie yelling "motherfucker" during this battle. Less talking, more thinking is the Ellie we know.
@@underratedcritic1983 she always whispered to the ppl she took out “shut it” or “don’t” so she has talked before when In a battle 😂
Yeah I also think she's really tense in this battle, like she's shaking so she's gonna yell a few words out of tension (if that makes any sense...)
I don’t think so. Abby and Ellie are equals.
@@Xxsorafan except for combat fighting
I purposely died as Abby vs Ellie here so many times. It was satisfying
Idc 😑
1:24 Ellie looks so young here, a legit 18yr old teen (or could be 16).
Damn Abby beat the shit outta them 🤣🤣
"Heroes and villians have the same concept... But have a different meaning..." -A random dog pfp
Are the QTEs still there? How am I supposed to know what to press without them lol
It’s recommended you play the game first on a lower difficulty before attempting the Grounded difficulty.
It’s square every single time and yes it shows it
Story aside, I would have loved a proper rematch with Abby as Ellie. Ellie only won in Santa Barbara because Abby was almost starved to death and tortured, and even then it wasn’t by a lot. Imagine going up against Abby at her full strength.
I feel like it would be a cool thing to mod into the game if The Last of Us 2 was on PC, but unfortunately it’s not. ):
u would die in a straight on fight with prime abby. plus i feel like boss Ellie plays better than 99% of real Ellie players
Even Abby loss all her weapons yet she still manage to defeat Ellie in the Theater that's how badass she is
The point of this game is the futility of vengeance. Although in my mind this scene is truly where Abby transforms from villain to hero by sparing Ellie and Dina and letting go of her murderous rage, thanks in no part to Lev.
i love how belittled Jesses death was, its fuckingg hilarious
:D
I know right make him a big part of the game and just kill and forget him in a matter of seconds.
It's a big thing when you witness it from Ellie's perspective, and just another death from Abby's perspective. It's supposed to be in contrast.
Realistic, there is no time to mourn. Abby didn't have time to give a shit about Manny either. People are dropping like flies in a world like this.
@@spbspb2413 “What we do matters!” When he said that, He’s already on my hate list.
there were several moments in this fight where ellie could have killed abby in moments like the stab in the leg where abby was clearly down and ellie got up first and of course she could very well dodge a shot but not a molotov or an automatic bomb, that it's fact,besides that strength isn't always everything and ellie is probably smart at the same level as abby,the main proof is her fights against brute seraphites and how each one manages to destroy them in 1v1
The only damage you took was emotional Damage
lost count how many times those bricks and bottles saved my life in the harder modes of this game
The amount of people doing mental gymnastics to defend the flaws in the writing is beyond ridiculous and pathetic. You're in an abandoned building, you know how many are with you and where they are, Tommy would hear those footsteps coming down those stairs at the beginning. This whole scene's setup was not well thought out. The game gives you no consequences for failing at stealth and that breaks immersion.
abby is military trained. and hunting in the wild with loud leaves personally, you learn to walk with your heel first. she probably did the same thing too. walk with her heels to avoid making noise.
@@averageboi5195 Of course you could make that argument easily, but the game doesn't address it and audible footsteps that echo through the empty building are produced as you direct her towards and then down the stairs just before the scene starts. I'm not saying she couldn't have done so as someone with training, I'm saying this isn't conveyed in the game. It makes Tommy look grossly incompetent for how much experience he has, a big contradiction. The player should be penalised for not sneaking the entire time they're in unknown territory rather than just conveniently putting Abby into stealth mode when the scene triggers and having Tommy ignore or just happen to not hear her walking around upstairs before that. It would be more immersive and believable. That's all I meant.
I get what you’re saying, but it’s not hard to sneak up on someone (I’ve done it). You’d be surprised that most people aren’t aware of their surroundings.
Things can make noise when you’re moving on it, but the ambient noise can overlap it. Plus Tommy was distracted with diamonds.
@@DialloMoore503 That's a horrendous excuse for horrendous writing. Tommy has been at this for DECADES. He's killed far worse than Abby to survive. He would NOT let his guard down at such a critical juncture, he KNEW that she had survived him picking her friends off with a rifle. At best it's lazy writing to get us to the Boss fight against Ellie when that could have happened a million other, far more organic ways.
@@XJ0461C
You make an excellent point, and the writing is very flawed with this narrative ; I agree.
However, it wouldn’t have been impossible for someone like Abby to sneak up on Tommy undetected.
There were only two ways to gain access to the building (that I recall); The main entrance and the fire escape.
Now it would’ve been smart to secure the second floor window, but maybe it never crossed their minds with everything that was going on.
Abby knew that she couldn’t take a direct aggressive approach to her target by beating on the front door.
She had to make her presence unknown. That part of the theater had carpet floors-easy to not make noise on.
Now let’s say that the window was locked. Abby probably would’ve waited outside until one of them came out. Either way she would’ve found a way to get inside-she had determination.
But I get what you’re saying. I personally don’t keep my back turned to any entry/exit point. I’d actually like to know how you would’ve wrote it differently.
How does that scenario unfold in your mind?
It was so stupid that they made us try to kill Ellie
Nice! Being a creator i love your videos 💓💓
thanks mate
So I didn't play the game, but I heard of the whole controversy and enjoyed the NakeyJakey vid about it. But then I see this and think, "Damn, I love everything about this."
Seems like an excellent sequence, narratively and mechanically.
This level really is tough without the listen mode
It's kind of like the David bossfight in TLOU1
This is it, this is where I end the game because I cannot for the life of me get past the very first phase, she spots me immediately, runs over and shoots me. Is my Ps4 adding bells to my shoes or something? Why is this so damn infuriating?
I thought it was simple enough. I'm sure you've beaten it by now, but if you don't know, then you should know, it's all about avoiding those stupid chains hanging down, finding a way to position yourself behind ellie, throwing a glass bottle at the back of her head and then running up on her. bottle to the dome = win.
@@ninjamatic5000 I was able to finally get it and it was by pure luck but glad it was done
What I think is so cool I saw where someone said in this scene Ellie is mimicking the way you played her so if u crafted a lot of bombs and booby traps or if you were fast and brutal it would be like plying against yourself
8:04 when a game franchise keeps using the same bad guy
my god this game is so intense
If this was like 28 weeks later Abby would be infected from getting bit.
exactly "you kill my boyfriend"
Abby spared Ellie TWICE
it's a ma'am
Abby vs Ellie=abby win
Joel vs Abby=Joel win :)
It's so infurating because Joel would beat the shit out of Abby if it was a fair fight without more people and only attacking him by surprise
Very hard to believe. Abby took her down while she had full backpack of weapons and she still got Jesse, Tommy and Dina with just one pistol
@@rodrigoleija4307 nah joel would still beat her to death
@@dababytrunk2094 nah joel was an old man. Abby would murder joel. Sorry kiddo
@@shinrapresident7010 lol theres plenty of women in the ufc today that would easily take down most men. Especially a women in her prime age against an older man. And one whos also physically stronger and knows how to fight and kill people with their hands.
Joel taught her well.
He did, but Joel may have indirectly been a far greater teacher to Abby.
just the video ibe been looking for
When I faced Ellie, she would just run around planting trip mines, and then throw moltovs at me to make me run towards them.
I hate the character of Abby, I don't even care about her side, she killed Joel. If her father allowed Joel to get Ellie with an ease then her father would not die.
you did not get the point of the game clearly
This is a pretty close representation of how I would have liked an actual Batman vs Joker fight to go in the Arkham series, not just Joker injecting himself with steroids or cinematic one-sided beatdowns.
Like Abby, Batman would most likely easily win against Joker in a straight fight, but like Ellie Joker would have every other advantage available to him to even the gap.
This fight was incredibly hard for me, ellie shot me, knifed me so many times. I have died in this part alone twice as much as i did through the entire game... The rat king supposedly a hard fight I did that on my first try without an issue, but this one was... Incredible. What made it even harder was that I was actually rooting for both of them.
3:39 ..I can't dodge that. it just won't move no matter what I press and I keep dying
Oh silly me I had to L1
@@charlesovatar dude💀
@@charlesovatar 😂😂😂
Abby is so nice she left Ellie and her pregnant girlfriend live while Ellie and Tommy just killed all of Abby's friends, including her lover Owen.
they really did ellie wrong here bro like she was so set on beating abby and ruthlessly ran threw all her freinds only to pussy out and run ☠️
This part is like David but way harder
Never played part 2. Didn’t Ellie fight the same way as the player for the boss fight?
Doing this on grounded with permadeath actually made me rage.
Ellie is so scary dude I couldn’t pass here over like 5 times try 😂
"She's pregnant..."
"..Good"
lol that is brutal
4:31 oh my goddd imagine how bad itd hurt to get punched by abby like that. irl youd be out like a light
Ellie reminded me so much of David in TLOU1
Hulk defeated Ellie
I still have nightmares of Ellie because of this
Look I have no skin in this game but holy shit people are gonna get so pissed when they see pedro get his head caved in again. I think Neil Druckmann might be stupid.
I wasted more than an hour in the last part where Ellie starts to place the sticky bomb on the ground. I thought Abby has to repeatedly blast the bomb until Ellie is down. I blasted her 3 times but Ellie never down. It turned out Abby has to quickly charge at her after Ellie got blasted.
I need to finish this game it’s been so long since I played it
This part was so frustrating because each time I died by Ellie I was like okay good thats what I wanted. Yet I still had to play..
Good ahh fight fr shows how ellie quick on her feet but abby ain no chump neither
It was so satisfying seeing Abby getting stabbed on the thigh xD
I know I am playing on grounded mode. But I didn’t expect it to be this hard lol.
INGL, having to fight Ellie was tough for me (yes, I know it’s a game). I get so into games, and love characters, I still get pissed every time I play through…having to play as Abby. Ellie is such a boss…it would have been epic for an all-Ellie game. Maybe next time?
Also siiick gameplay man :)
My feels are fucked up
Me: (Sees all the comparisons in the comments) "Okay but where'd Ellie get the gun from."
I did it first try i my first playtrough of the game, it was on moderate difficulty, on grounded i spent a hour or so, i hate mines.