Don't worry since Skyrim came out I've graduated highschool, college,had a child,gotten married,gotten separated,had a book published,got engaged,got divorced, and am planning my second wedding. Elder scrolls 6 will be here after I have my first grandchild probably
A point that was never mentioned with the Eternal Champion was the fact that Arena ends in 3e 399, only 34 years before the events of Oblivion, meaning the Champion couldn't have been older than 70, give or take a few years. There's a pretty high likelihood that he would have been assassinated alongside his friend Uriel in the opening hours of the oblivion crisis due to his status and trustworthiness with the Emporer
@@Tony-ih1pg the E C does not necessarily need to be an elf to live that long, there are quite a few strong humans who have lived even longer then 70 years, Tharn's ancestor in the 2nd era during the soul burst lived for over 120 years be his age started catching up to him, the grey beards are also stated to be very old too at 100 years plus
I love how the Hero of Kvatch, us the players who played Oblivion, become Sheogorath. Therefore, we are Sheogorath. Therefore, meeting Sheogorath in Skyrim kinda seems like meeting ourselves which is kind of madness itself.
You could roleplay the Dragonborn as the sane reminants of the Hero of Kvatch that were separated from Sheogorath by Akatosh and placed into a new body when the Dragon crisis started. If you want to make it even more inception like
@BaronSengir1008 No, not really? All we know about them is that they MAYBE were created by Akatosh, being a role play game things like that are left as much as possible in the open, that's why I said "you could roleplay", you make your own story and crap v:
The last Dragonborn saved the world from at least FOUR different apocalyptic events, and was then murdered by angry townsfolk for accidentally hitting a chicken. Edit: holy crap, a thousand likes?! Thank you all! 😊
My hope for the Dragonborn is that he simply retired to the countryside with his wife and children. Skyrim was the first game in the series to have marriage and adoption, and the whole Hearthfire DLC was about building a house. It would be a fitting and deserved end for him. Edit: I wrote this before I got to where you suggested the same thing lol
I wish, but being Dragonborn is something of a double-edged sword. Having the soul of a dragon means having the ambition of a dragon. Even if the LDB retired to the countryside, that hunger for power and dominion would always be eating at them. They may not even be capable of living a satisfying, normal life.
Azura: Dagon is coming soon, Morrowind needs you. I assume you know what to do from here. Argonian Nerevar: Flee the continent for some Akaviri Snakussy? Azura: ... Argonian Nerevar: Prepairing the boat rn.
When I read "Argonian Nerevar", I kinda expected "go to blackmarsh and rally the army. Right? Right?" Mayb ethe Argonian Nerevar never went to Akavir, but just took a boat east, circled around to blackmarsh and joined the fight. Not like the Dunmer could tell. Doubt these racists could differentiate between two Argonians by looking at them.
@@sockymonkie It would be pretty hilarious if one day Bethesda actually stated the Nerevar to be an Argonian, even if it's a joke considering how it's basically a running thing across the whole ES community.
@@wolfscar5557 Either Argonian or Nord Nerevarine would be hilarious, seeing as Argonians were kept as slaves by the Dunmer and also seeing as it was during the Battle of Red Mountain that Nerevar was originally killed. The same battle in which the ghost of Shor, alongside many Nord warriors, attempted to claim the Heart so Shor could fully regenerate and become Lorkhan once again. Also, the Nerevarine bumping off Almalexia is just desserts. The conniving bitch just stood there and grinned while Vivec impaled Nerevar with his severed penis of Molag Bal spear.
@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc and then left his wife to follow his true dream, making a bard band in solitude with the friends he made at the bards college.
What’s extremely funny to me personally about this video was when he said ES6 wouldn’t come out until he was married and had his 4th child. I was 13 when Skyrim came out, I’m now currently 26 in 2024 and I’m married, I have 4 kids, and I’m still waiting for ES6
If only they didnt bother with 76, Starfield, or hell fallout 4 for that matter. It would be insane what kinda game we would get with all those resources poured into one game. Mabye even an ESO like game but just as a normal rpg and not a WOW clone
In The Elder Scrolls, headcanon is MORE true than actual canon. "Each reader sees different reflections through different lenses, and may come away with a different reading. But at the same time, all of it is true. Even the falsehoods. Especially the falsehoods."
Now that's just wrong, yes two people can have different believes on the same topics and both of them are true but there's some stuff that can't be watered down to "my headcanon is..." Like the creation myths, lorkhan trick and his sundering, the disapprences of the dwemer, the fall of the ayleids, the rise of Tiber septim, the numidium, the prisoner role, the death of indoril nerevar, the death of Uriel septim, the rise of the slave rebellion, the fall of lygg, the aedras and daedras, anu padomay...etc
When it comes to the actual canon then Bethesda have the actual power and ability to say what’s canon and what’s not. No has the say when it comes to something like only the creators have the say, and we all have to deal with it. So if Bethesda went and say the Dragonborn is a white nord with blond hair and has an iron sword and copper iron shield (forgot what it’s called), one of the bandit armor, iron helmet, iron gauntlets, an iron boots, as well as the Dragonborn only did the main story fought vampire killed their leader, fought and defeated miraak. That would be the actual canon to the game lore if Bethesda comes out and say it is. But they won’t.
I thought we had agreed 10 years ago that the last dragonborn was the mortal incarnation of Shor wich was why we could sit in Shor's throne in Sovngarde
@@bokrugthewaterserpent3012 we can speculate, but no where in that realm, im not even going to try and spell it because ill be wrong, shor is nowhere to be found.
@@jakemathews2630 Yeah, and you wouldn't expect him to be found either. In fact it'd be weirder if he was there, considering his sundered corpse orbits Nirn, his Heart is implanted in it, and his blood has hardened into Ebony veins all throughout the planet. Expecting to find Shor is like visiting a memorial for the victims of the Titanic and going "Hey, where are all the bodies?"
It's a chair. Just because I can also sit in every thrones doesn't mean I'm instantly a Jarl or High King. I've seen stupid head cannons, but this, this is the most stupidest one that I've ever read.
One thing to note is the Hero of Kvatch ("Champion of Cyrodil" is not a title unique to that character, sorry dude) as the Mad God is distinctly DIFFERENT from the original Mad God. Original Sheogorath loved to create madness,and drive people insane. However, as shown in the Sheo quest in Skyrim, the remantled Sheogorath tries to CURE the madness of those souls who have entered his realm.
My headcanon is that the Hero of Kvatch is still the Hero of Kvatch and only appears as Sheogorath when doing official Shivering Isles business, because that’s what’s expected from Sheogorath.
Eh, not quite "cure" it, so much as "treat" it. He's not there to make Pelagius sane, just there to turn his negative insanity into a more harmless one.
In Oblivion, Mannimarco is also the Necromancer's Moon who bestows the Shade of the Revenant on necromantic altars every 8 days. It allows necromancers to create black soul gems. So in a way, there are two Mannimarcos in Oblivion.
I like to imagine The Last Dragonborn would retire from adventuring and settling down with their family before they pass on peacefully as Akatosh holds dominion over the Dragonborn's dragon soul and the Dragonborn enters Soverngarde and the Hall of Valor to drink and feast to the end of time.
Well, my DB won't be able to do that. I have sold their soul way too many times to different daedra for that to happen. But maybe for exactly that reason it gets to Sovengarde. the half dozen Daedra that try to grab it get in each others way and it just slipps them^^
@@advocatusdiaboli9971 Congratulations, you have started an Interplanar War between multiple Deadra and Aedra. The Heaven quake before the wrath of the gods as they struggle to claim your soul. Grab some mead; and enjoy the fireworks.
The Question is : Can the Dragonborn die? He has a Body that can be destroyed. But a Dragonsoul is immortal. Maybe he will forever a Ghost to wander Skyrim? Who knows what it will be at the End. And one Thing more. Paarthurnax said, that the World should have ended. But the Dragonborn breaks the Cycle. I think it has a Role in ES6.
The Last Dragonborn actually ends up dying and remain in limbo, tugged around by all the Deadras/Aedras that want their soul in their realm for the rest of time.
I figure the last dragonborn probably just went like "fuck all of you I go where I please" and just floats around the planes as a spectral grey area nobody wants to touch
"A new hand touches the becon!" (Dragonborn screams internaly WTF NOT AIGEN!" :p speaking of, i wonder what would happend if you pick it up if you happend to be a vampyre or wherwolf at the time. specialy vampires would not be on good terms with that Aedra (Think she is considerd Aedra and not deadra)
For the Nerevarine I always just imagined the council saw them as a threat considering their god killing activities and sent them to Akavir for a little bit in hopes that they would die but they didn’t. So sometime after the Red Year and when they stop getting orders they go back to Morrowind only to nope on out of there once they see the consequences of their actions
It is interesting to think that with the ALMSIVI, Morrowind probably could have survived into the 4e and red mountain wouldnt have erupted since the heart would still be there. However, this is an impossible timeline as there was no possible way the nerevarine could have defeated Dagoth ur without destroying the heart.
So since sheogorath mentions the severed head in the dark brotherhood quests does that mean that our oblivion character cannonicly was the night mothers listener
Bethesda’s take on what the player character does in lore is “yes” That’s why one game ends with the Dragon Break, so they can have every possible outcome be canon. So yes, they are.
@@zachlewis9751 The way i see it is every questline is canon and did happen, but if you personally didnt do them as your character then someone else in world did. So for example, the emperor is still assassinated in Skyrim regardless of whether it was the dragonborn or not, if not it was probably some random who became listener instead.
You can assume the events of each questline occur, but that the player character at the centre of them may not be the same for each. So the curse on the Cowl of Nocturnal was definitely lifted. The Mage's Guild was definitely assaulted by Mannimarco. Umbacano definitely died trying to resurrect an Ayleid king. Etc etc But was the Hero of Kvatch involved? Maybe. Maybe not.
Too bad that ESO couldn't be featured on this video, because the fun part is that the Vestige is also immortal due to in fact being a daedra that always respawns from amber plasm in Coldharbour everytime it dies.
@@abhabh6896 yeah, it respawns from azure plasm (my bad if I spelled amber plasm) using the Chaotic Creatia. Deadra respawn from the same azure plasm also using the Chaotic Creatia, Soul Shriven (Vestige included) respawn in Coldharbour using the same method due to Molag Bal wanting to constantly revive them after torturing them to death so he can torture the Soul Shriven over and over eternally inside Coldharbour. In a way, the Vestige is immortal and, whenever it dies, it just respawns at Coldharbour.
Another thing is the vestige can be more than one person, but with the same vestige / soul. Spoiler: At the end, Cadwell gives him a crystal which gives him the ability to start over in another faction as some unknown person.
Player: "Bethesda, what happened to *insert TES protagonist here*? Bethesda: "What do *you* think happened to them? :)" The freedom to interpret your own character, their path, and ultimately their fate, is one of the reasons I love The Elder Scrolls.
@@KIRI77Not really bro it's coherent with the gameplay of TES because you create your own character, giving definitive answers to what is and what isn't canon would break immersion
The Last Dragonborn is definitely imprisoned in Apocrypha. However during the companions questline it is mentioned that the heroes of Sovngarde may invade the Hunting Grounds to save the previous Harbingers trapped there due to their beast blood. That implies they can invade other realms of oblivion from aetherius and pull people out who have been bound there one way or another. I imagine the Last Dragonborn, who's soul belongs to Sovngarde by birthright alone (much less his feats) would be among their list of rescues for Shor's army when the time comes.
@@casualviewer1006 akatosh always take the dibs for a dragonborn's soul. just like when miraak died. we, the dragoonborn absorbed him. herma(or any deadric princes) may couldn't take our souls but he really could imprison us.
There is just no telling where my Dragonborn will wind up when he dies. He's a Nord, so Sovngarde? But He's also the Listener of the Dark Brotherhood, so Sythis. Then again, he was a werewolf who was cured and then turned into a vampire, so that's two Daedric Princes that might want a say, but he's also a Nightengale, so there's a third. And since he is, in fact, Dragonborn, there may be an Aedra that wants a word as well. He also carries all of the Daedric weapons and artifacts... Darn. That's one complex afterlife.
It is likely its gonna go the same way as the other Elder Scroll games that while all the side quests happen its not necessarily the Dragonborn that does it. Although the only one that rly breaks "cannon" with who you think the Dragonborn should be is the Dark Brotherhood and u can choose to side with Imperials and destroy them. Also u dont have to be a vampire as part of the Vampire dlc
Not to forget the theory, that the ebony warrior you meet in Skyrim is The Forgotten Hero from, I think Elder Scrolls Legends? So that'd mean, their story ends in a duel against The Last Dragonborn, and getting their wish to go to Sovngard.
The interesting part about meeting Sheogorath in Skyrim, is it actually _is_ the Champion of Cyrodiil. Jyggalag's curse was broken by the Champion, and Mundus needed someone to fill the role of Sheogorath. That's part of the reason O.G Sheogorath was able to shake the curse placed on him by the other Daedra. That leaves the question of when will we meet Jyggalag again?
Dragonborn got all his allies together and sailed to the shimmering isles, destroyed the thalmor (he is a racist nord and so killed lots of innocent elves too), and was crowned the new Dragonborn emperor (he killed the last one” where he ruled as a god king forever, never dying due to the dragon soul, the end.
You dont simply invade the Summerset Isles. Even Tiber Septim needed the Numidium. Your basically implying the Dragonborn is stronger then a god and stronger then Talos
If he managed to assault The Summerset Isles, there wouldn't be any innocent elves. The Thalmor already saw to executing all high elves that either stayed and disagreed, or fled the Summerset Isles because they wanted no part of the Aldmeri Dominion.
I agree with you about the dragon born. They'd be way too powerful to leave in the world. With the bend will shout, they could raise an army of dragons and make themselves emperor.
I'd argue The Dragonborn has more of a claim to the throne than whomever is currently occupying the couch. He has dragon blood after all, and given how distantly related the modern emperors are to Tiber Septim, they probably don't.
I never played oblivion, so I never saw the akitosh vs dagon fight, I'm glad that despite the older graphics, it looks just as badass as I imagined. Thanks.
I've always liked the idea that the Eternal Champion possibly being High Chancellor Ocato or Jauffre. I don't believe it too seriously, but its just a fun idea to headcanon.
I have all my protagonists be related in some way. Eternal Champion and Agent are dead from old age and the warp in the west. Neravarine is alive in Akavir still. Hero of Kvatch is Sheo Last Dragonborn alive
I've kind of did something similar with a character I made in Oblivion and one in Skyrim they're actually distant cousins of the Septums but the one in Oblivion doesn't have the dragon blood that's why they can't wear the amulet while the one in Skyrim is dragonborn they even have the same name don't remember if they're the same race or not though lol
I think that the last Dragonborn would simply go blind from reading the elder scrolls multiple times and would study the way of the voice with the Greybeards
What doesnt make sense for the Dragonborn is suggested to be Akatosh who basically came to the mortal realm to stop Alduin which makes Mora's fascination more interesting but also makes it less likely that he could do anything to the Dragonborn as they are basically the reincarnation of a god
I already did a story for my Dargonborn. She tries to recreat what the Dwemer did and ends up vanishing. Turns out it transports her to a different dimension where magic doesnt exist, but, radiation takes its place. Instead of great big cities, she's in the ruins of a city. Instead of bows, there's automatic guns. Instead of Dwemer automatons, there's robots. There are no horses either. Yes, she gets transported to Boston in the year 2287. She's in Fallout 4. Also, she's stripped of everything and must find stuff to protect and defend herself with.
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Holy I had to call my mom and tell her I made it. I saw my name and hear you shout it out. Dog i'm on cloud 9.. Thank you Master Neloth, keep up the great videos.
I had always assumed that the Agent and the Eternal Champion were the same person, too. It works because the Agent dies at the end of Daggerfall and all the other games are so different.
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The 'Pocket Guide to the Empire' included with my 360 copy of Oblivion only says that the Neravrine likely vanished, so I'd honestly assume the Akavir trip is probably true.
The Agent didn't die to the Numidium. That was a scrapped ending where you refused to give the totem to anyone and used it on yourself. I've done every ending in Daggerfall except Eadwyre and Akorithi's. The Hero dying isn't in the game thus it's non-canon much like Neloth being a scrapped asassination for the Morag Tong. Baurus being the Agent of Daggerfall and Ocato being the Eternal Champion are way cooler theories for those two imo.
Fun story, if you bought the collectors edition Oblivion, it came with a little leather book that was a travelers guide to Tamriel, and it says the nerrarvarine went to Akavir and is still alive as well.
I've always believed that the Nerverine, best player character, went to Akavir and Vivec went with him in an attempt to atone for his crimes, whatever they may have been.
At least we're not mentioning the Vestige; who beat 6 Daedric Princes up (as of right now) and pissed off literally *all* of them, killed a crazy amount of dragons without even being Dragonborn and even killed one dragon on the fucking moon, killed the vampire lord who bested Leki in combat, dunked on Mannimarco at the height of his power, is the only being (aside for Mora) to have knowledge about Ithelia and the concept/creation of the Prisoners, has time travelled to the First/Third/Fourth Era, saved Nirn from at least 10 doomsday-level scenarios.... all in 1 single year. No idea how/if they ever intend to end the Vestige's story, but since they're not around when the main games happens, I suppose either they're susceptible to old age (we don't know if the Vestige ages), Molag Bal was successful in reclaiming the Vestige's soul, they went on to explore the Aurbis, time travelled further to a further point, or settled down with Naryu Virian.
the elder scrolls online to me is not canon. most mmorpg's have you doing crazier and crazier shit just for content so it would almost always mess up all the timelines. (plus i didnt like the elder scrolls online and barely played it. it wasnt an elder scrolls game, its just wow reskinned to me.)
My head cannon is that irregardless of race the Dragonborn is immortal because they've made a deal with literally every Daedra and Aedra around, not to mention having the Dragon blood (and soul), quite likely being a reincarnation of Shor and Akatosh, and part of DB's soul still being attatched to the soul cairn. There is a literal war between all of existence for dibs in DB's soul and that makes everything that can be done in Skyrim cannon in my eyes, since if you're the last Dragonborn and effectively immortal why wouldn't you just do everything.
During my very first play through of skyrim, my head canon for my character was that he was literally the same character that I played in Oblivion just two hundred years older
The end of the Dragonborn is that, after many years collecting a horde that would make every dragon he absorbed jealous, he fell off the side of a mountain he was jumping on and died. This sets off a civil war among all the daedric princes that claimed the rights to his soul. In the chaos, the Dragonborn crouches, becoming literally undetectable, then goes to sovngard by showing Tsun the stamp on his hand.
I like this trend that came out early 2024: retiring the Last Dragonborn. It was a trend where players would load up their very first character, finish whatever quests they wanted, then store all of their adventuring gear in the various chests/displays in their domiciles and simply sat them down on their "throne" before saving the file and leaving it untilouched forevermore.
I personally like to think Ocato is the Eternal Champion, no real proof but I just really like the thought that Ocato, even after the Septim dynasty fell, he tried to help his friends empire even after he died.
My head cannon for my Orc character is that he united the Skyrim Orcs, made a new Orcinium, named himself Jarl, challenged Uther, and became High King.
0:17 that makes me think. How would the OG Avengers team handle The Warp in the West, Dagoth Ur, The Oblivion Crisis and The Dragon Crisis and let's not forget Mirrak and Harkon
Mehrunes Dagon squints in the distance at a screaming green dot before he gets shot into space by the Hulk, who then accidentally collapses the White Gold tower because he runs right through the base of it while dragging Daedra to their deaths.
@@AlexSmith-tp7xu HAHA YES don’t forget Iron Man taking advantage of Dwemer tech and camping outside Daedra spawn points just to build dragon/daedric prince buster suits
i did a d&d campaign set in skyrim 15 years after the events of TES5. in my world, i made the dragonborn only a small part of one quest (so as not to have him overshadow the group’s adventure) but in my world after defeating alduin and miraak he basically retired to a small hut in the pine forest, leaving skyrim to whatever fate came next. a lot of people resented him over it because he never got involved in the civil war, or in the events that followed the end of the civil war. he instead spent his time perfecting alteration magic, and even created a handful of new spells that nobody else in tamriel knew how to use properly. he kind of acted as the wise old man that they stumbled across in the woods
Kind of like the idea that in the next game the Thalmor took most of Tamriel BECAUSE the Dragonborn was swept away into Herma Mora’s realm of Apocrypha, and so it’ll take a new hero to liberate whatever province the game’s set in from the Thalmor with some other twists in there.
@@caiuscosades1791I was just thinking the other day that The Last Dragonborn canonically could have worn the Amulet of Kings if it hadn't been destroyed...
@@BaronSengir1008except i think the Amulet of Kings doesnt exist anymore or for the very least doesnt matter as the portals to Oblivion are suppose to be permanently closed
@@caiuscosades1791Too bad that's just a wish dream. The more obvious is pretty much the Dragonborn is playing eternal mind games with Hearmaus Mora in Apocrypha and living sometimes in Solstheim far away from the political turmoil of Skyrim. He/She already defeated Alduin, they aren't gonna let some tentacle eyeballs of a blob cause more havoc. Plus the Dragonborn is a pretty smart fellow.
I know I’m late to the party, but one of my favorite assumptions is that the LDB is the avatar of Shor, or his replacement. Given that 1, Shor disappeared from Sovngarde by the time the LDB seems to appear at Helgen (may have been before), and also LDB becomes the savior of Sovngarde, savior of mankind by preventing the Dragon’s from taking over. This is just my interpretation.
I think the LDB might ultimately be consumed by Herma Mora. Though, I assume before that, the LDB will rally the empire again. Talos was a DB without the opportunity to gulp dragonsouls by the gallon and still conquered the world. Now we habe a DB with such a source of power, at least two dragons to call on for aid, and a shout that literally dominates the mind. Therefore, I think the story between TESV and VI will be that the Dragonborn "ended the civil war in skyrim" (regardless of how), and rallied the nords and the empire behind them to fight the Thalmor (which are mandatory antagonists in TESV). Coincidentally, the throne was unexpecedly empty anyway, since Titus Mede died on his ship near Solitude. Maybe at some point then the DB turns... weird and vanishes (into apocrypha).
Honestly it just seems like such a copout ending for the Dragonborn that only someone with the imagination of Emil Pagliarulo would come up with. They're pretty much an aspect of Talos, meaning they are probably the only being in existence that could kick that tentacled fucker's ass in his own realm and leave. I like to think that he tried to imprison the LDB, but they just went full Omni-Man on Apocrypha and left it in ruins, then some years later became the new emperor, pretty much becoming the next Tiber Septim, ruling the empire and the next game is another protagonist helping the LDB's empire take on the Thalmor in the next Great War.
@@caiuscosades1791 Is a dragonborn not more an aspect of Akatosh? At least that is where the divinity comes from. The only connection to Talos is that they were both dragonborn.
@@advocatusdiaboli9971 it's so complicated, some say it's Akatosh, some say Talos and the lore says that Kynareth gave humans the ability to become Dragonborn because Alessia prayed to her. Then that old guy with the Skaal said that it was The All Maker, who is pretty much Padomay, the primordial chaos before existence. I personally think that the Dragonborn were ordained by Akatosh and Kynareth originally but Talos lent a portion of his power to make the Dragonborn who they are, to operate as an extension of himself because of his lost worship thanks to the Thalmor's ban.
@@caiuscosades1791 I am pretty sure Talos the god was not connected to the creation of Dragonborns, as he himself was a dragonborn before he ascended to godhood. I think the best source here is Paarthurnax, who directly relates dragons and dovakhin to Akatosh. Of course, it is possible that this specific dragonborn is also a chosen of talos, but I do not see any sign for that.
@@caiuscosades1791Its both, like Pelinal the LDB is an aspect of both Akatosh (Anuiel) and Talos (Lorkhan). Given A the fact that Shor (Nordic Aspect of Lorkhan) is missing in Sovngarde and you can sit on his throne in Sovngarde, and B. You are the Last Dragonborn created by Akatosh himself and you slay Alduin, their essence being reabsorbed by Akatosh.
Fake, everyone knows the Dragonborn got Serana to turn him into a vampire lord so he could live long enough to help her with her trauma and get married
In my game, the dragonborn saw a dragon, warned the jarl, then refused to go to bleaks falls barrow, instead finding a haunted farm. He solved a mystery and gained the deed, becoming a farmer.
My personal theories: Eternal Champion: Someone pointed out that Arena is 34 years before Oblivion, so I theorize the Eternal Champion is a member of the council. The Agent: Agent is actually Baurus. Well, one of the Agents is Baurus. Specifically, the one who handed Numidium to Tiber Septim, becoming a trusted member of the council and, eventually, a Blades member. Nerevarine: Brazilian Argonian dressed in Tarhiel's drip, kills the Tribunal and then he dips. Takes a flight over the sea, goes to meet the Akaviri. HoK/CoC: Sheogorath, duh. But I like to think that he's still him inside. He puts up the Sheogorath appearance because he just likes playing the role, but when in private audiences (or audiences with just him, a non-mad person, and Haskill at his side, more likely), he's just the Champion/Hero of Kvatch/Cyrodiil. Also he does still turn into Jyggalag, but not really. He just drops Sheogorath for, like, a week. Dragonborn: Daedric Princes kept fighting over his soul upon death to arrow in his knee, but eventually, bro's in Hermaeus Mora's hands.
My character wore a dragon priest mask the whole game until he settled down, so my personal headcanon (at least for my Dragonborn) is that he went the way of the Nerevarine; rumored to have left Skyrim completely, but nobody knows for sure because he all but vanished.
@@ytwyvern4240 I heard that too, but I dislike any theory that tries to assign the protagonist a race or gender or make them an actual character we can find later (excluding Sheogorath) mostly cuz it tarnishes roleplaying.
Page Up and Page Down can be used to angle the camera up or down for Daggerfall. Or the Home / Insert keys, I forget. Those can be changed in the key bindings, of course.
I recall reading somewhere that ES6 is supposed to be set six years after Skyrim, so approximately 4E207 or somewhere in there. At this rate though, Bethesda might make it a real-time date and release ES6 with the in-game date as 4E217.
I had written my own take on the Skyrim story awhile back and had a pretty cool (and possibly lore breaking) ending. So basically, the DB started off having been born in a morally good bandit tribe, having the leader as a father. Unlike typical bandits, they respected those in the cities and only started to live in the wilderness to avoid the politics. They didn't even hunt for food as they believed that all animals had the right to live as well, so instead, they farmed. However, this didn't mean they lacked enemies, they had constant feud with another tribe. This group of bandits was a polar opposite to them for sure. Killed for fun, hunted for sport, rap*d countless women and children, and slaughtered passing soldiers. The DB's father knew they were going to be a potential future enemy in the future so he had trained his men to fight in order to be prepared. But one day, while the DB was out, he returned to find his tribe killed by imperial soldiers. After that, he vowed revenge. So, he enlisted in the Dark Brotherhood. He trained with them for five years and completed their contracts, even happily butchered every imperial he came across. Eventually he was going beyond what he was permitted to do so they kicked him out. But even after that, he continued assassinating imperial officers. Until he was caught... While attempting to assassinate the officer directly under General Tulius (an original character), the DB was stopped by the daughter of the officer. Instead of utilizing combat, she used her words and her compassion to stop him. When he realizes that he was doing the same thing to her that happened to him, he dropped his weapons and surrendered. After that, he spent time in the solitude prison and the daughter didn't resent him for what he did. Instead, she wanted to know why, so he told her his story and how his family was murdered by the imperials. Surprised, she asked him for his tribe name, so he told her. After hearing this, she was confused as she never heard a report of that, so she did some investigation herself. Eventually, with the help of her father, they found out what really happened: they were after the other tribe and the DB's tribe was only there to assist the imperials. The DB's father and mother sacrificed themselves to ensure that the imperial forces got out of there safely. They report this news to the DB who curses himself for not knowing and that he dishonored his tribe. Had he known the truth, he never would've done this. Seeing the good in him, the daughter wanted him to join her on her adventures. She was a blade for hire to help the people, sometimes doing things for free because she just wanted to help. Well, the DB was permitted to join her and they accomplished lots together. A few months later, it appeared he completely changed, but that was until they arrived to an area close to that tribe that wiped out his family. It appeared that he was fine, but that vengeance was still there. One night, when the daughter was asleep, he snuck out and went over to the bandit camp. Utilizing his skills he learned throughout life (from his father, the Dark Brotherhood, and the shieldmaiden), he slaughtered everyone. In the morning, she realizes he's gone, only to find him at the camp and sitting on a rock overlooking the burned tents and corpses. He says that he thought this would help him, but this only made everything worse. After that, she comforted him as he cried and later on, after a few years, they continued to work together, eventually falling in love and getting married. Since then, they joined the companions (without becoming werewolves), and then later after that, he went off on his own for a bit. Still trying to atone for his sins, he took bounties from every hold, eventually getting a bounty to track down Lokir of Rorikstead... and that's how he gets into that ambush. Though, instead of being a prisoner the whole time, he is freed immediately by Tulius himself who calls everyone stupid for mistaking the DB as a criminal. He is handed some weapons and when Alduin attacks, he helps defend the town, but after the imperials realize that Alduin can't be beaten, that's when they retreat. Tulius gives the DB a special assignment to warn the Jarl of Whiterun about the Dragons so the DB does that. After that, the story of Skyrim officially starts, but instead of the Dragonborn being born, they are instead chosen. After sleeping one night, the DB wakes up feeling different. And he is, he's stronger, faster, more agile, and is more durable too. However, he doesn't realize why until he kills his first dragon. That's when he learns he's dragonborn. So, just like the original story, he defeats Alduin, then Miraak, and later joins the College of Winterhold and the Thieves Guild, but only because he needed to. After his first time in Markarth, he pissed off Molag Bal when he had Boethiah's priest exorcise the alter. Since then, Molag Bal wanted revenge, so after the battles with Alduin and Miraak, tears in the liminal barriers began to form, enough for Molag Bal to put a curse on the DB's family. The DB's wife was immediately killed, but his 3 year old son was doomed to suffer. Thinking he could solve it with magic and alchemy, he studied at the College, Ancano didn't even become a problem at all because the DB curb stomped him at first sight (he hates Thalmor). But even after mastering magic and alchemy, he could only supress the symptoms. That's when he hired a priestess and taught her a potion blend that she could give to his son. (It's basically a potion of ultimate cure disease.) But he knew he couldn't take care of his son for long, he needed to get back to work. But due to his new loss, he returned to his darker path and joined the Thieves Guild. Unlike in the canon, he didn't take any shit from Maven and let her know he was in control. She may have money, but he has abilities that could completely pulverize empires. (which was proven in the past as he ended the civil war by ending the Aldmeri Dominion.) Also, unlike the canon, Mercer was taken out quicker because the DB caught Karliah's arrow before stabbing it into Mercer (he never trusted him since day one). Due to his accomplishments, he was named the guild master, and the first thing he ordered was to stop the stealing from the poor, and that they were going to steal from the rich. After that, they shut down Maven and returned the money to the civilians and then went to Markarth and shut down the Silverbloods. After that, he returned to his bounty hunting life for years and eventually caught wind of the vampires before joining the Dawnguard. He met Serana, killed some vampires, befriended an immortal dragon, and got Auriel's bow... but that's when Molag Bal showed in his true form. He destroyed the bow, and the DB battled Bal, losing his life in the process, as Serana retreated to Fort Dawnguard, all seemed lost and they were getting ready for a final push to go out in a blaze of glory. But that's until the DB returned, having been revived and amplified by the powers of Akatosh. After that, the DB led the Dawguard against the vampires. As the DB battled Molag Bal, Serana joined the Dawnguard in combat against Harkon and his vampires. Both sides seemed completely neck and neck, until the DB gained the upperhand and defeated Bal while giving his life in the process. Using the last of his bestowed power, he rewrote time and used his love for the world to create an indestructible shield to protect mankind from daedric influence permanently. And after that, he arrived to Sovngarde and reunited with his wife and son, living the rest of eternity in peace. Sorry for the essay, but i decided to write the majority of it right here, hope you enjoyed. Lol 😂😂😂
It'd be kind of lame if the Dragonborn got owned by Herma that much. Clavicus already tells us we're almost half as strong as a Daedric Lord ourselves. It'd be much more amusing if the Dragonborn wins that fight, and you only find out if you go looking for Hermeus... and find out the Dragonborn did a funny and did a Jiggy-to-Sheo-type funny.
So you're saying he BECAME Hermaeus Mora. That... Wouldn't be out of the picture. The Dragonborn is most likely a Shezzarine or some sort of equivalent demigod-esque being, especially if they're almost half as strong as a Daedric Prince. Which, let me remind you, is more powerful than a Divine as they didn't give up their power to help create the mortal plane. This means the Dragonborn is probably 3/4ths as powerful as a Divine if not equal to. The question is, how would one mantle Hermaeus Mora, and WHY would you want to? For how slow the tentacled bastard talks, you damn near need to be immortal just to hold a basic conversation with him. I aged a good 30 years the first time I spoke to him about Bend Will all the way back in 2013. One minute, I was 13 and in 8th grade. The next minute I was 43 and experiencing chronic joint pain and male pattern baldness. Now I'm somehow back to being 24 and the slimy goat-pupiled bastard never took the chronic joint pain back.
That's early game dragonborn, imagine how powerful he would become after the events of the dragonborn's dlc, all the magic, thu'um, and skills TLD obtained could easily rival and beat multiple daedric princes.
There is also a chance that during the second Dragon Break, the Agent is still alive, but in a fractured timeline that didn't make it when the time converged back in on itself mending Akatosh. So, there is a chance if a third Dragon Break occurs- this fracture timeline that the Agent is lost in, could wind up back in the real timeline after it repairs itself for a third time, where the Agent stumbles back into reality unaware they were lost in the second dragon break, going back to living like nothing happened.
I already see all my favorite headcanons mentioned and discussed in the comments so I'm just gonna say in Daggerfall 6:40 YOU CAN LOOK DOWN...and set it to mouse look, and bind keys more or less to standard First Person Shooter controls, all that kind of stuff without mods. (Yes okay sure, the default controls suck) Nice vid!
I don't buy the whole Champion of Cyrodiil/Sheogorath thing. First of all, why are the only sources of information about Jyggalag people who are already inside the Shivering Isles? You'd think a powerful daedric lord would be well known across the universe, but every library in Tamriel is mysteriously lacking in the J section. And it's been 200 years since the curse was supposedly broken. Where is he? You'd think he'd be eager to reestablish himself and start building a following, but it's been radio silence for two centuries. Next, the story doesn't make sense. You honestly expect me to buy that all the other daedra teamed up to fight Jyggalag? Molag and Meridia? Boethiah and Malacath? Ain't no way they would ever set aside their grievances with each other. And Jyggalag himself? If he really had a grand library filled with books containing the logical consequences of every action ever taken, then how did he not know his quest for perfect order _in Oblivion, a realm characterized by its chaos_ was as frivolous as reading by candlelight underwater? How did he not anticipate the other princes would conspire against him? But here's the real kicker: You're going to tell me the Hero of Kvatch, a completely normal, mortal guy -- no Dragonborn powers or Nerevarine prophecy behind him -- defeated _the most powerful daedric prince... _*_in his own realm??_* That's fairytale nonsense. No, what's far more likely is that the whole thing -- Greymarch, Jyggalag -- it was all made up. An elaborate prank by Sheogorath to trick the Champion of Cyrodiil into staying in the Shivering Isles as a permanent resident. Sheo made up a flimsy story with a straightforward bad guy to appeal to the Champion's self aggrandisement and sense of heroism. And the fact that so many people take the DLC's main quest as gospel proved that it worked. And doesn't the end result just make sense? Imagine traveling through the Shivering Isles and running into some dude absolutely convinced that he's the real Sheogorath. Sounds exactly like the kind of crazy person that belongs in the Asylum.
That's a whole lotta hoops lmao, the very fact that you have to jump through all these hoops just to come out with "just a prank bro" was expecting something a bit better then that lmao Also jygalag is a recognised daedric prince, you do realise there is more lore to him outside the shivering isles dlc lmao
Jyggalag was actually mentioned in a book as early as Daggerfall, alongside an implication that there could be more often forgotten/lesser known princes
The way Skyrim's Sheo speaks about the events of Oblivion lends to that outcome especially the part where he mentions Martin. "You are the best Septim that ever ruled, well except for that Martin fella but he turned into a dragon god and that's hardly sporting." Martin was only Emperor for maybe a few minutes so he didn't have time to rule anything. The fact that the Sheogorath we meet in Skyrim thinks so highly of him should be a clue that he was the hero from Oblivion because they were written to be good friends by the time Martin sacrificed himself. As for the Jyggalag thing, we literally see Sheogorath transform before becoming the new Mad God. The ending has Jyggalag free while the hero rules the Shivering Isles as the new Sheogorath. You are free to believe otherwise but the evidence speaks for itself.
One of my theories for the last dragon born is that he will show up as an antagonist in a future game, like perhaps Hermaous Mora will try to basically cause a second oblivion crisis and the dragon born will be part of it.
it’s so funny you bring up the champion of cyrodiil thing because i was just thinking that same thing TWO days ago while watching my brother play oblivion
I like to think the eternal champion is high chancellor ocato, that high elf in the elder council, and also that one dude holding a torch for uriel in daggerfall intro. About the HoK, I believe what he made was basically freeing Jyggalag from sheogorath's curse by assuming it, so probably every new era the Hok would be able to return to normal similar to Will Turner in pirates of the Caribean
I always headcanon-ed that the High Chancellor in Oblivion (Ocato? Its been a while) that is kind of running the empire after the Septims were murdered was the eternal champion from Arena. Meaning he was there with the emperor when he was talking to the agent sent to Daggerfall too.
My personal head cannon for my characters across the Elder Scrolls is that it is a lineage of heroes. The Vestige of ESO being the first of note in the family line. Followed by the Eternal Champion, who is also the Agent of Daggerfall. In Arena Ria Silmane says that you were left to die in the Imperial dungeons since you were a minor part of the court i.e. in some way related to Talin. I personally like the idea that the Eternal Champion becomes a member of the Blades after the events of Arena and is then entrusted with the mission in Daggerfall. Then, his son is whisked away in chains as "a child born on a certain day to uncertain parents" but its just Uriel saying, "Send the Champion's kid." Then much like the Eternal Champion being sent to Daggerfall, the "nereverine" (I put it in quotes, because there is some fluff lore that suggests the great houses and ash tribes sending you out was them just telling you to go do something to claim that you filled the prophecy) is sent by the Emperor to Akavir to try and see if it was worth launching a campaign, before being intercepted upon his return and once again whisked into the Imperial Dungeon to await the meeting with the Emperor. Uriel being super dramatic and clandestine tries to act like he doesn't know the nereverine/hero of Kvatch in the dungeon, but it's why he trusts him so much. Then after disappearing into Oblivion his children continue his line in Cyrodil until one of them wants to return to their ancestral homeland only to be caught at the border and sentenced to death alongside the Stormcloak rebels and Ulfric himself.
I like to believe the Last Dragonborn's canonical ending will be that he died in glorious battle and is now sitting at Shor's side in Sovngarde for all eternity
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The Nerevarine really went: "See ya bitches, I'm going to Japan"
I needed a vacation. Can you blame me?
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Is this how you honour the sixth house unmourned?!
@@thenerevarine4166 Such an N'Wah thing to say
@@thenerevarine4166shame on you sweet Nerevar
@@thenerevarine4166Based on the lore I wouldn’t really call Akavir an ideal vacation
Don't worry since Skyrim came out I've graduated highschool, college,had a child,gotten married,gotten separated,had a book published,got engaged,got divorced, and am planning my second wedding. Elder scrolls 6 will be here after I have my first grandchild probably
Most likely
And it will still be full of loading screens
And what’s worse is its almost guaranteed that it’ll be a sloppy mess the era of Bethesda making great rpgs is over
@@Mickeykalineafter seeing the load of frog turds that was Starfield, ES6 is gonna be a dumpster fire, I'm sure of it.
What book did you publish?
A point that was never mentioned with the Eternal Champion was the fact that Arena ends in 3e 399, only 34 years before the events of Oblivion, meaning the Champion couldn't have been older than 70, give or take a few years. There's a pretty high likelihood that he would have been assassinated alongside his friend Uriel in the opening hours of the oblivion crisis due to his status and trustworthiness with the Emporer
Not very Eternal, are they,
That's pretty cringe
@@xxsuperdragonslayerxxdepends. If he's an Elf, he could very well still be alive
I like the theory where You meet him in Oblivion as chancellor ocatto
@@Tony-ih1pg the E C does not necessarily need to be an elf to live that long, there are quite a few strong humans who have lived even longer then 70 years, Tharn's ancestor in the 2nd era during the soul burst lived for over 120 years be his age started catching up to him, the grey beards are also stated to be very old too at 100 years plus
I love how the Hero of Kvatch, us the players who played Oblivion, become Sheogorath. Therefore, we are Sheogorath. Therefore, meeting Sheogorath in Skyrim kinda seems like meeting ourselves which is kind of madness itself.
And everything he mentions is a reference to events in Oblivion...
You could roleplay the Dragonborn as the sane reminants of the Hero of Kvatch that were separated from Sheogorath by Akatosh and placed into a new body when the Dragon crisis started. If you want to make it even more inception like
@@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle The Last Dragonborn is an aspect of Shor, aka Lorkhan, though and therefore not Sheogorath...
@BaronSengir1008 No, not really? All we know about them is that they MAYBE were created by Akatosh, being a role play game things like that are left as much as possible in the open, that's why I said "you could roleplay", you make your own story and crap v:
@@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyleI mean yeah but it’s pretty much explicit that LDB is a Shezarrine.
In skyrim the last dragonborn clearly has his soul absorbed by me
@@miraak2213 I think I missed that part… guess I’ll play some Skyrim again 😎
“May he be richly rewarded as I was”
Might be other way round buddy
Damn bro
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The last Dragonborn saved the world from at least FOUR different apocalyptic events, and was then murdered by angry townsfolk for accidentally hitting a chicken.
Edit: holy crap, a thousand likes?! Thank you all! 😊
"Of course, that was only a trick to fake my own death. Karliah's poisonous arrows are great for that."
But only villagers who had quests for him since they’re immortal and will always get back up again to fight
Hey that chicken stole my sweet role so it had it coming.
Or finnaly snapping on a kod in game and killing them
Alduin, Harkon, Miraak, what's the fourth?
The nerevarine went to akavir, the hero of kevach turned into sheogorath and the dragon born is getting tentacled by hermaus mora
Anime girls can relate with the last one 💀
The Last dragonborn is a immortal vampire lord! 👍👍👍
DB is a shard of Akatosh, he can't be owned by any of the daedric princes any more than Alduin could
@@Birbucifer that's what I thought. But this makes me wonder about Miraak.
@@dyanaprajna4556 I believe Miraak was disowned/abandoned by Akatosh due to him not doing his job
My hope for the Dragonborn is that he simply retired to the countryside with his wife and children. Skyrim was the first game in the series to have marriage and adoption, and the whole Hearthfire DLC was about building a house. It would be a fitting and deserved end for him.
Edit: I wrote this before I got to where you suggested the same thing lol
Lots of little Argonian children running around.
or he rise to become the new emperor like the old one who had the dragon bloodline
Considering the canon Dragonborn joined Harkon he first of all is immortal but is now locked in Hermaeus Mora's realm of Oblivion for eternity.
@@nbHawkeye What are you talking about? That is literally not canon.
I wish, but being Dragonborn is something of a double-edged sword. Having the soul of a dragon means having the ambition of a dragon. Even if the LDB retired to the countryside, that hunger for power and dominion would always be eating at them. They may not even be capable of living a satisfying, normal life.
after the events in Skyrim, the last dragonborn finally gets to visit the cloud district with Nazeem.
Nazeem gets The High King of Skyrim treatment and is banished to the dungeons.
Take a shot every time Neloth says however.
Hopital
I'd rather not.
@@Lupinemancer87 You are wise
🥴 I've been thinking *hic* maybe I'm Dragonborn 🤮 ...probably not
It's 9am, but ok....
Azura: Dagon is coming soon, Morrowind needs you. I assume you know what to do from here.
Argonian Nerevar: Flee the continent for some Akaviri Snakussy?
Azura: ...
Argonian Nerevar: Prepairing the boat rn.
When I read "Argonian Nerevar", I kinda expected "go to blackmarsh and rally the army. Right? Right?" Mayb ethe Argonian Nerevar never went to Akavir, but just took a boat east, circled around to blackmarsh and joined the fight. Not like the Dunmer could tell. Doubt these racists could differentiate between two Argonians by looking at them.
@@advocatusdiaboli9971 Lizard Nerevar canon
@@sockymonkie It would be pretty hilarious if one day Bethesda actually stated the Nerevar to be an Argonian, even if it's a joke considering how it's basically a running thing across the whole ES community.
@@wolfscar5557 Either Argonian or Nord Nerevarine would be hilarious, seeing as Argonians were kept as slaves by the Dunmer and also seeing as it was during the Battle of Red Mountain that Nerevar was originally killed. The same battle in which the ghost of Shor, alongside many Nord warriors, attempted to claim the Heart so Shor could fully regenerate and become Lorkhan once again.
Also, the Nerevarine bumping off Almalexia is just desserts. The conniving bitch just stood there and grinned while Vivec impaled Nerevar with his severed penis of Molag Bal spear.
@@advocatusdiaboli9971"Wait, *you're* not a Hist Tree....."
The dragonborn decided to live out the rwst of his time on a farm until forever since he is a vampire
Dragonborn became a dragon and lived forever, the end xd
He got Serana pregnant after she became human and they lived at the college of winterhold as he was also Archmage.
@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc and then left his wife to follow his true dream, making a bard band in solitude with the friends he made at the bards college.
@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc ARCHMAGE?!?! DEWPPEOKEN REFERENCE DEEPWOKEN DEEP IS CALLING DEEP DEEPP WOOEKEN CONQUEST
@@turaychu Is this delusion restorable, mods?
What’s extremely funny to me personally about this video was when he said ES6 wouldn’t come out until he was married and had his 4th child. I was 13 when Skyrim came out, I’m now currently 26 in 2024 and I’m married, I have 4 kids, and I’m still waiting for ES6
If only they didnt bother with 76, Starfield, or hell fallout 4 for that matter. It would be insane what kinda game we would get with all those resources poured into one game. Mabye even an ESO like game but just as a normal rpg and not a WOW clone
4 kids at 26? Jesus lol...
bro has 4 kids at 26. kinda sad ngl.
In The Elder Scrolls, headcanon is MORE true than actual canon.
"Each reader sees different reflections through different lenses, and may come away with a different reading. But at the same time, all of it is true. Even the falsehoods. Especially the falsehoods."
So Maiq isn't a liar 😂.
This one line explains why Elderscrolls lore is annoying and dumb. Because they give everything and nothing at the same time.
The simple fact is, we all can decide what IS canon cause we ARE the Godhead
Now that's just wrong, yes two people can have different believes on the same topics and both of them are true but there's some stuff that can't be watered down to "my headcanon is..." Like the creation myths, lorkhan trick and his sundering, the disapprences of the dwemer, the fall of the ayleids, the rise of Tiber septim, the numidium, the prisoner role, the death of indoril nerevar, the death of Uriel septim, the rise of the slave rebellion, the fall of lygg, the aedras and daedras, anu padomay...etc
When it comes to the actual canon then Bethesda have the actual power and ability to say what’s canon and what’s not. No has the say when it comes to something like only the creators have the say, and we all have to deal with it. So if Bethesda went and say the Dragonborn is a white nord with blond hair and has an iron sword and copper iron shield (forgot what it’s called), one of the bandit armor, iron helmet, iron gauntlets, an iron boots, as well as the Dragonborn only did the main story fought vampire killed their leader, fought and defeated miraak. That would be the actual canon to the game lore if Bethesda comes out and say it is. But they won’t.
Imagine Sheogorath remebering his days as champion of cyrodil and unleashing the might of the shivering isles against the thalmor
I like to think he would do it out of spite because they tried to take credit for ending it from his good buddy Martin.
My Dragon born wants to find out what Hermaus Mora can do with all them tentacles
damn
Um….
Bro character isn't a dragonborn, he's a Freakyborn
Right in the Wretched Abyss.
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I thought we had agreed 10 years ago that the last dragonborn was the mortal incarnation of Shor wich was why we could sit in Shor's throne in Sovngarde
I read a theory once that every player character in every elder scrolls game is an incarnation of the god Lorkhan, which was pretty interesting to me.
The reason you can sit in Shor's throne is because it's just a reused asset that they didn't disable when they placed it.
@@bokrugthewaterserpent3012 we can speculate, but no where in that realm, im not even going to try and spell it because ill be wrong, shor is nowhere to be found.
@@jakemathews2630 Yeah, and you wouldn't expect him to be found either.
In fact it'd be weirder if he was there, considering his sundered corpse orbits Nirn, his Heart is implanted in it, and his blood has hardened into Ebony veins all throughout the planet.
Expecting to find Shor is like visiting a memorial for the victims of the Titanic and going "Hey, where are all the bodies?"
It's a chair. Just because I can also sit in every thrones doesn't mean I'm instantly a Jarl or High King. I've seen stupid head cannons, but this, this is the most stupidest one that I've ever read.
One thing to note is the Hero of Kvatch ("Champion of Cyrodil" is not a title unique to that character, sorry dude) as the Mad God is distinctly DIFFERENT from the original Mad God. Original Sheogorath loved to create madness,and drive people insane. However, as shown in the Sheo quest in Skyrim, the remantled Sheogorath tries to CURE the madness of those souls who have entered his realm.
My headcanon is that the Hero of Kvatch is still the Hero of Kvatch and only appears as Sheogorath when doing official Shivering Isles business, because that’s what’s expected from Sheogorath.
@@Nagtloper431 I'm with you. I think he'd rather go back and have fun as the Gray Fox more than stay in the Shimmering Isles.
Eh, not quite "cure" it, so much as "treat" it. He's not there to make Pelagius sane, just there to turn his negative insanity into a more harmless one.
In Oblivion, Mannimarco is also the Necromancer's Moon who bestows the Shade of the Revenant on necromantic altars every 8 days. It allows necromancers to create black soul gems. So in a way, there are two Mannimarcos in Oblivion.
Perhaps the Mannimarco we murk is simply an aspect of Mannimarco, not the man/god himself.
@@lsswappedcessna seeing as I left him to his fate in ESO, you may be right.
@@lsswappedcessnaThe Mannimarco in Oblivion is the mortal shell left after he ascended to godhood...
Oblivion butchered mannimarco 😂
I can’t imagine the Dragonborn handling everything he did and then finally giving into Herma-Mora.
I like to imagine The Last Dragonborn would retire from adventuring and settling down with their family before they pass on peacefully as Akatosh holds dominion over the Dragonborn's dragon soul and the Dragonborn enters Soverngarde and the Hall of Valor to drink and feast to the end of time.
Well, my DB won't be able to do that. I have sold their soul way too many times to different daedra for that to happen.
But maybe for exactly that reason it gets to Sovengarde. the half dozen Daedra that try to grab it get in each others way and it just slipps them^^
I assume since DB are part of akatosh when they die and will go back to him after he dies
@@advocatusdiaboli9971 Congratulations, you have started an Interplanar War between multiple Deadra and Aedra. The Heaven quake before the wrath of the gods as they struggle to claim your soul. Grab some mead; and enjoy the fireworks.
@@3rdtimesthecharm376 All from the safety of the halls of valor I presume?
The Question is : Can the Dragonborn die? He has a Body that can be destroyed. But a Dragonsoul is immortal. Maybe he will forever a Ghost to wander Skyrim? Who knows what it will be at the End. And one Thing more. Paarthurnax said, that the World should have ended. But the Dragonborn breaks the Cycle. I think it has a Role in ES6.
The Last Dragonborn actually ends up dying and remain in limbo, tugged around by all the Deadras/Aedras that want their soul in their realm for the rest of time.
By the end of the dragonborn's dlc, TLD would grow powerful enough to challenge the gods and possibly win.
I figure the last dragonborn probably just went like "fuck all of you I go where I please" and just floats around the planes as a spectral grey area nobody wants to touch
@@deadsoul7409yeah bro is literally a god in mortal form; they do whatever the fuck they want daedra be damned
@@vegetableman3911 W
"A new hand touches the becon!" (Dragonborn screams internaly WTF NOT AIGEN!" :p
speaking of, i wonder what would happend if you pick it up if you happend to be a vampyre or wherwolf at the time. specialy vampires would not be on good terms with that Aedra (Think she is considerd Aedra and not deadra)
For the Nerevarine I always just imagined the council saw them as a threat considering their god killing activities and sent them to Akavir for a little bit in hopes that they would die but they didn’t. So sometime after the Red Year and when they stop getting orders they go back to Morrowind only to nope on out of there once they see the consequences of their actions
Nerevarine: "Ah, well this sucks. I'm gonna go look for a lusty argonian."
It is interesting to think that with the ALMSIVI, Morrowind probably could have survived into the 4e and red mountain wouldnt have erupted since the heart would still be there. However, this is an impossible timeline as there was no possible way the nerevarine could have defeated Dagoth ur without destroying the heart.
So since sheogorath mentions the severed head in the dark brotherhood quests does that mean that our oblivion character cannonicly was the night mothers listener
Bethesda’s take on what the player character does in lore is “yes”
That’s why one game ends with the Dragon Break, so they can have every possible outcome be canon. So yes, they are.
@@zachlewis9751 The way i see it is every questline is canon and did happen, but if you personally didnt do them as your character then someone else in world did. So for example, the emperor is still assassinated in Skyrim regardless of whether it was the dragonborn or not, if not it was probably some random who became listener instead.
You can assume the events of each questline occur, but that the player character at the centre of them may not be the same for each.
So the curse on the Cowl of Nocturnal was definitely lifted.
The Mage's Guild was definitely assaulted by Mannimarco.
Umbacano definitely died trying to resurrect an Ayleid king.
Etc etc
But was the Hero of Kvatch involved? Maybe. Maybe not.
Too bad that ESO couldn't be featured on this video, because the fun part is that the Vestige is also immortal due to in fact being a daedra that always respawns from amber plasm in Coldharbour everytime it dies.
Vestige isa daedra?
@@abhabh6896 yeah, it respawns from azure plasm (my bad if I spelled amber plasm) using the Chaotic Creatia. Deadra respawn from the same azure plasm also using the Chaotic Creatia, Soul Shriven (Vestige included) respawn in Coldharbour using the same method due to Molag Bal wanting to constantly revive them after torturing them to death so he can torture the Soul Shriven over and over eternally inside Coldharbour.
In a way, the Vestige is immortal and, whenever it dies, it just respawns at Coldharbour.
Another thing is the vestige can be more than one person, but with the same vestige / soul.
Spoiler: At the end, Cadwell gives him a crystal which gives him the ability to start over in another faction as some unknown person.
Player: "Bethesda, what happened to *insert TES protagonist here*?
Bethesda: "What do *you* think happened to them? :)"
The freedom to interpret your own character, their path, and ultimately their fate, is one of the reasons I love The Elder Scrolls.
lazy writing in other words, imagine saying the mc of morrowind went to an entirely different continent, then refuse to elaborate.
@@KIRI77Not really bro it's coherent with the gameplay of TES because you create your own character, giving definitive answers to what is and what isn't canon would break immersion
@@KIRI77 I disagree
The Last Dragonborn is definitely imprisoned in Apocrypha.
However during the companions questline it is mentioned that the heroes of Sovngarde may invade the Hunting Grounds to save the previous Harbingers trapped there due to their beast blood.
That implies they can invade other realms of oblivion from aetherius and pull people out who have been bound there one way or another.
I imagine the Last Dragonborn, who's soul belongs to Sovngarde by birthright alone (much less his feats) would be among their list of rescues for Shor's army when the time comes.
I thought their soul belongs to Akatosh
@@casualviewer1006 akatosh always take the dibs for a dragonborn's soul. just like when miraak died. we, the dragoonborn absorbed him. herma(or any deadric princes) may couldn't take our souls but he really could imprison us.
There is just no telling where my Dragonborn will wind up when he dies. He's a Nord, so Sovngarde? But He's also the Listener of the Dark Brotherhood, so Sythis. Then again, he was a werewolf who was cured and then turned into a vampire, so that's two Daedric Princes that might want a say, but he's also a Nightengale, so there's a third. And since he is, in fact, Dragonborn, there may be an Aedra that wants a word as well. He also carries all of the Daedric weapons and artifacts... Darn. That's one complex afterlife.
It is likely its gonna go the same way as the other Elder Scroll games that while all the side quests happen its not necessarily the Dragonborn that does it. Although the only one that rly breaks "cannon" with who you think the Dragonborn should be is the Dark Brotherhood and u can choose to side with Imperials and destroy them. Also u dont have to be a vampire as part of the Vampire dlc
They have different days assigned as part of the custody hearings. One day each per month for most of them 😆
@@hossdelgado626 That should be nice for him then. No chance of getting bored.
Ah....the Constantine approach
Ok but sithis isn't real and the whole religion is most likely just a plot from mephala
Not to forget the theory, that the ebony warrior you meet in Skyrim is The Forgotten Hero from, I think Elder Scrolls Legends? So that'd mean, their story ends in a duel against The Last Dragonborn, and getting their wish to go to Sovngard.
The interesting part about meeting Sheogorath in Skyrim, is it actually _is_ the Champion of Cyrodiil. Jyggalag's curse was broken by the Champion, and Mundus needed someone to fill the role of Sheogorath. That's part of the reason O.G Sheogorath was able to shake the curse placed on him by the other Daedra.
That leaves the question of when will we meet Jyggalag again?
Dragonborn got all his allies together and sailed to the shimmering isles, destroyed the thalmor (he is a racist nord and so killed lots of innocent elves too), and was crowned the new Dragonborn emperor (he killed the last one” where he ruled as a god king forever, never dying due to the dragon soul, the end.
You mean Summerset? Shimmering Isles is Sheogoraths realm.
@@dragondude9637No, he's clearly insane!
You dont simply invade the Summerset Isles. Even Tiber Septim needed the Numidium. Your basically implying the Dragonborn is stronger then a god and stronger then Talos
@@jeambeam3173 by the end of the DLC the Dragonborn should be that busted I guess. After eating Miirak and all the Dragon Souls he has. Maybe
If he managed to assault The Summerset Isles, there wouldn't be any innocent elves. The Thalmor already saw to executing all high elves that either stayed and disagreed, or fled the Summerset Isles because they wanted no part of the Aldmeri Dominion.
I agree with you about the dragon born. They'd be way too powerful to leave in the world. With the bend will shout, they could raise an army of dragons and make themselves emperor.
I'd argue The Dragonborn has more of a claim to the throne than whomever is currently occupying the couch. He has dragon blood after all, and given how distantly related the modern emperors are to Tiber Septim, they probably don't.
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We're all Lorkhan... reincarnated to mortal form in order to enjoy or suffer the splendor we sacrificed ourselves for oh so long ago.
Ok, Mancan camaron.....
I never played oblivion, so I never saw the akitosh vs dagon fight, I'm glad that despite the older graphics, it looks just as badass as I imagined. Thanks.
I've always liked the idea that the Eternal Champion possibly being High Chancellor Ocato or Jauffre. I don't believe it too seriously, but its just a fun idea to headcanon.
I have all my protagonists be related in some way.
Eternal Champion and Agent are dead from old age and the warp in the west.
Neravarine is alive in Akavir still.
Hero of Kvatch is Sheo
Last Dragonborn alive
What about until elder scrolls 6
Then they will be in Sovenguard?
I've kind of did something similar with a character I made in Oblivion and one in Skyrim they're actually distant cousins of the Septums but the one in Oblivion doesn't have the dragon blood that's why they can't wear the amulet while the one in Skyrim is dragonborn they even have the same name don't remember if they're the same race or not though lol
@@Alduintheworldeater depending on when es6 takes place. Either alive or in sovngarde
@@Alduintheworldeaterpretty sure the time gap between skyrim and new elder scroll won't be that long
The dragonborn settled down with his notwife serana and raised adopted kids together. Including nazeems daughter after he shouted him to ash.
I think that the last Dragonborn would simply go blind from reading the elder scrolls multiple times and would study the way of the voice with the Greybeards
What doesnt make sense for the Dragonborn is suggested to be Akatosh who basically came to the mortal realm to stop Alduin which makes Mora's fascination more interesting but also makes it less likely that he could do anything to the Dragonborn as they are basically the reincarnation of a god
Was not aware that the heros of the first two are hinted to being the same person!
@@ConnorRunda It’s not 100% canon and the evidence is flimsy, but the fact that there is even a crumb of evidence is interesting.
They're not, it was just a cut idea from Daggerfall's development
This is basically like going back and reading the lore of a car manual because you enjoyed driving the car so much.
I already did a story for my Dargonborn. She tries to recreat what the Dwemer did and ends up vanishing. Turns out it transports her to a different dimension where magic doesnt exist, but, radiation takes its place. Instead of great big cities, she's in the ruins of a city. Instead of bows, there's automatic guns. Instead of Dwemer automatons, there's robots. There are no horses either. Yes, she gets transported to Boston in the year 2287. She's in Fallout 4. Also, she's stripped of everything and must find stuff to protect and defend herself with.
Buddy has so much fun recording these videos it sounds like. Some moments in this video are frickin adorable
these videos remind of a more genuine era of youtube, where having a bit was more fun than making a brand, i love your creativity master neloth
Great video! I loved it! It is fun to think that my OC Dragonborn ends similar to what you think happened to the canon dragonborn! Cheers, mate!
having a neloth youtuber thanking it's huge patreon miraak is one of the funniest things that a elder scrolls lore channel could do
Dude loved this, great job and your delivery is Hella engaging
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Holy I had to call my mom and tell her I made it. I saw my name and hear you shout it out. Dog i'm on cloud 9.. Thank you Master Neloth, keep up the great videos.
@@Rangersquad4417 Anytime my fellow Oathman!!!! 😎
You've made it to cloud district 9
Imagine getting excited when a no one uses your name on a youtube video. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@halo1989100 imagine coming to this comment and thinking anyone cares what you have to say. I'm just replying so Master Neloth doesn't have to lmaooo
@@halo1989100 Damn, I can’t believe halo1989100 called me a nobody… I think I gotta quit RUclips now…
I had always assumed that the Agent and the Eternal Champion were the same person, too. It works because the Agent dies at the end of Daggerfall and all the other games are so different.
Returned to Skyrim this last month and your channel popped up in my recommendations. It's rare to stumble upon such an awesome content and superb narration.
Will be joining the Telvanni and Master Neloth in the wait for TESVI!!!
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The 'Pocket Guide to the Empire' included with my 360 copy of Oblivion only says that the Neravrine likely vanished, so I'd honestly assume the Akavir trip is probably true.
I just came from one of epic mates videos watched this bout to watch your others became a member can’t wait to see where your channel goes brother
The Agent didn't die to the Numidium. That was a scrapped ending where you refused to give the totem to anyone and used it on yourself. I've done every ending in Daggerfall except Eadwyre and Akorithi's. The Hero dying isn't in the game thus it's non-canon much like Neloth being a scrapped asassination for the Morag Tong. Baurus being the Agent of Daggerfall and Ocato being the Eternal Champion are way cooler theories for those two imo.
Baurus couldn't be the agent. Jauffre tells us that he was one of the youngest Blades member. Daggerfall takes place 30 years before Oblivion
Fun story, if you bought the collectors edition Oblivion, it came with a little leather book that was a travelers guide to Tamriel, and it says the nerrarvarine went to Akavir and is still alive as well.
I've always believed that the Nerverine, best player character, went to Akavir and Vivec went with him in an attempt to atone for his crimes, whatever they may have been.
At least we're not mentioning the Vestige; who beat 6 Daedric Princes up (as of right now) and pissed off literally *all* of them, killed a crazy amount of dragons without even being Dragonborn and even killed one dragon on the fucking moon, killed the vampire lord who bested Leki in combat, dunked on Mannimarco at the height of his power, is the only being (aside for Mora) to have knowledge about Ithelia and the concept/creation of the Prisoners, has time travelled to the First/Third/Fourth Era, saved Nirn from at least 10 doomsday-level scenarios.... all in 1 single year.
No idea how/if they ever intend to end the Vestige's story, but since they're not around when the main games happens, I suppose either they're susceptible to old age (we don't know if the Vestige ages), Molag Bal was successful in reclaiming the Vestige's soul, they went on to explore the Aurbis, time travelled further to a further point, or settled down with Naryu Virian.
the elder scrolls online to me is not canon. most mmorpg's have you doing crazier and crazier shit just for content so it would almost always mess up all the timelines. (plus i didnt like the elder scrolls online and barely played it. it wasnt an elder scrolls game, its just wow reskinned to me.)
@@Tatu6996 plus, the lore is awful. Quantity before quality.
My head cannon is that irregardless of race the Dragonborn is immortal because they've made a deal with literally every Daedra and Aedra around, not to mention having the Dragon blood (and soul), quite likely being a reincarnation of Shor and Akatosh, and part of DB's soul still being attatched to the soul cairn.
There is a literal war between all of existence for dibs in DB's soul and that makes everything that can be done in Skyrim cannon in my eyes, since if you're the last Dragonborn and effectively immortal why wouldn't you just do everything.
During my very first play through of skyrim, my head canon for my character was that he was literally the same character that I played in Oblivion just two hundred years older
The end of the Dragonborn is that, after many years collecting a horde that would make every dragon he absorbed jealous, he fell off the side of a mountain he was jumping on and died. This sets off a civil war among all the daedric princes that claimed the rights to his soul. In the chaos, the Dragonborn crouches, becoming literally undetectable, then goes to sovngard by showing Tsun the stamp on his hand.
I like this trend that came out early 2024: retiring the Last Dragonborn.
It was a trend where players would load up their very first character, finish whatever quests they wanted, then store all of their adventuring gear in the various chests/displays in their domiciles and simply sat them down on their "throne" before saving the file and leaving it untilouched forevermore.
I personally like to think Ocato is the Eternal Champion, no real proof but I just really like the thought that Ocato, even after the Septim dynasty fell, he tried to help his friends empire even after he died.
My head cannon for my Orc character is that he united the Skyrim Orcs, made a new Orcinium, named himself Jarl, challenged Uther, and became High King.
0:17 that makes me think. How would the OG Avengers team handle The Warp in the West, Dagoth Ur, The Oblivion Crisis and The Dragon Crisis and let's not forget Mirrak and Harkon
Thor solos dagon no diff
Mehrunes Dagon squints in the distance at a screaming green dot before he gets shot into space by the Hulk, who then accidentally collapses the White Gold tower because he runs right through the base of it while dragging Daedra to their deaths.
The hulk after thrashing dagoth: puny god
@vegetableman3911 dagon: you can't defeat me!
Thor: oh I know...but he can
*akatosh*
@@AlexSmith-tp7xu HAHA YES
don’t forget Iron Man taking advantage of Dwemer tech and camping outside Daedra spawn points just to build dragon/daedric prince buster suits
i did a d&d campaign set in skyrim 15 years after the events of TES5. in my world, i made the dragonborn only a small part of one quest (so as not to have him overshadow the group’s adventure) but in my world after defeating alduin and miraak he basically retired to a small hut in the pine forest, leaving skyrim to whatever fate came next. a lot of people resented him over it because he never got involved in the civil war, or in the events that followed the end of the civil war. he instead spent his time perfecting alteration magic, and even created a handful of new spells that nobody else in tamriel knew how to use properly. he kind of acted as the wise old man that they stumbled across in the woods
Tamriel actually started out as a homebrew D&D setting... Lol
Kind of like the idea that in the next game the Thalmor took most of Tamriel BECAUSE the Dragonborn was swept away into Herma Mora’s realm of Apocrypha, and so it’ll take a new hero to liberate whatever province the game’s set in from the Thalmor with some other twists in there.
I would love the next game to have the Dragonborn becoming the new emperor. For some reason it just seems fitting.
@@caiuscosades1791I was just thinking the other day that The Last Dragonborn canonically could have worn the Amulet of Kings if it hadn't been destroyed...
@@BaronSengir1008except i think the Amulet of Kings doesnt exist anymore or for the very least doesnt matter as the portals to Oblivion are suppose to be permanently closed
@@jeambeam3173 That's why I said "could have", as in if the Amulet had hypothetically survived into the 4th era...
@@caiuscosades1791Too bad that's just a wish dream. The more obvious is pretty much the Dragonborn is playing eternal mind games with Hearmaus Mora in Apocrypha and living sometimes in Solstheim far away from the political turmoil of Skyrim. He/She already defeated Alduin, they aren't gonna let some tentacle eyeballs of a blob cause more havoc. Plus the Dragonborn is a pretty smart fellow.
I played a khajit so I imagine my character who married another khajit and adopted khajit kids eventually moved his family back to Elsweyr.
My dragonborn awaits for events to unfold towards The Elder Scrolls 6🤌
Beyond Skyrim awaits
I know I’m late to the party, but one of my favorite assumptions is that the LDB is the avatar of Shor, or his replacement. Given that 1, Shor disappeared from Sovngarde by the time the LDB seems to appear at Helgen (may have been before), and also LDB becomes the savior of Sovngarde, savior of mankind by preventing the Dragon’s from taking over. This is just my interpretation.
Isn't Shor dead and ripped into pieces?
I think the LDB might ultimately be consumed by Herma Mora. Though, I assume before that, the LDB will rally the empire again. Talos was a DB without the opportunity to gulp dragonsouls by the gallon and still conquered the world. Now we habe a DB with such a source of power, at least two dragons to call on for aid, and a shout that literally dominates the mind.
Therefore, I think the story between TESV and VI will be that the Dragonborn "ended the civil war in skyrim" (regardless of how), and rallied the nords and the empire behind them to fight the Thalmor (which are mandatory antagonists in TESV). Coincidentally, the throne was unexpecedly empty anyway, since Titus Mede died on his ship near Solitude.
Maybe at some point then the DB turns... weird and vanishes (into apocrypha).
Honestly it just seems like such a copout ending for the Dragonborn that only someone with the imagination of Emil Pagliarulo would come up with. They're pretty much an aspect of Talos, meaning they are probably the only being in existence that could kick that tentacled fucker's ass in his own realm and leave. I like to think that he tried to imprison the LDB, but they just went full Omni-Man on Apocrypha and left it in ruins, then some years later became the new emperor, pretty much becoming the next Tiber Septim, ruling the empire and the next game is another protagonist helping the LDB's empire take on the Thalmor in the next Great War.
@@caiuscosades1791 Is a dragonborn not more an aspect of Akatosh? At least that is where the divinity comes from. The only connection to Talos is that they were both dragonborn.
@@advocatusdiaboli9971 it's so complicated, some say it's Akatosh, some say Talos and the lore says that Kynareth gave humans the ability to become Dragonborn because Alessia prayed to her. Then that old guy with the Skaal said that it was The All Maker, who is pretty much Padomay, the primordial chaos before existence. I personally think that the Dragonborn were ordained by Akatosh and Kynareth originally but Talos lent a portion of his power to make the Dragonborn who they are, to operate as an extension of himself because of his lost worship thanks to the Thalmor's ban.
@@caiuscosades1791 I am pretty sure Talos the god was not connected to the creation of Dragonborns, as he himself was a dragonborn before he ascended to godhood.
I think the best source here is Paarthurnax, who directly relates dragons and dovakhin to Akatosh. Of course, it is possible that this specific dragonborn is also a chosen of talos, but I do not see any sign for that.
@@caiuscosades1791Its both, like Pelinal the LDB is an aspect of both Akatosh (Anuiel) and Talos (Lorkhan). Given A the fact that Shor (Nordic Aspect of Lorkhan) is missing in Sovngarde and you can sit on his throne in Sovngarde, and B. You are the Last Dragonborn created by Akatosh himself and you slay Alduin, their essence being reabsorbed by Akatosh.
Daggerfall is by far my favorite game of the series.. it's so sad that the Agent died from getting stomped on by the Numidium
Fake, everyone knows the Dragonborn got Serana to turn him into a vampire lord so he could live long enough to help her with her trauma and get married
In my game, the dragonborn saw a dragon, warned the jarl, then refused to go to bleaks falls barrow, instead finding a haunted farm. He solved a mystery and gained the deed, becoming a farmer.
My personal theories:
Eternal Champion: Someone pointed out that Arena is 34 years before Oblivion, so I theorize the Eternal Champion is a member of the council.
The Agent: Agent is actually Baurus. Well, one of the Agents is Baurus. Specifically, the one who handed Numidium to Tiber Septim, becoming a trusted member of the council and, eventually, a Blades member.
Nerevarine: Brazilian Argonian dressed in Tarhiel's drip, kills the Tribunal and then he dips. Takes a flight over the sea, goes to meet the Akaviri.
HoK/CoC: Sheogorath, duh. But I like to think that he's still him inside. He puts up the Sheogorath appearance because he just likes playing the role, but when in private audiences (or audiences with just him, a non-mad person, and Haskill at his side, more likely), he's just the Champion/Hero of Kvatch/Cyrodiil. Also he does still turn into Jyggalag, but not really. He just drops Sheogorath for, like, a week.
Dragonborn: Daedric Princes kept fighting over his soul upon death to arrow in his knee, but eventually, bro's in Hermaeus Mora's hands.
My character wore a dragon priest mask the whole game until he settled down, so my personal headcanon (at least for my Dragonborn) is that he went the way of the Nerevarine; rumored to have left Skyrim completely, but nobody knows for sure because he all but vanished.
I've actually heard of a theory that the Eternal Champion is actually High Chancellor Ocato.
@@ytwyvern4240 I heard that too, but I dislike any theory that tries to assign the protagonist a race or gender or make them an actual character we can find later (excluding Sheogorath) mostly cuz it tarnishes roleplaying.
I just finished the whole Dragonborn dlc recently. It’s funny to imagine that this is Neloth’s real youtube channel.
Well. Quite interesting.
However, I don't like the theory about the dragonborn becoming a puppet like that.
Sounds lame af.
Page Up and Page Down can be used to angle the camera up or down for Daggerfall. Or the Home / Insert keys, I forget. Those can be changed in the key bindings, of course.
I recall reading somewhere that ES6 is supposed to be set six years after Skyrim, so approximately 4E207 or somewhere in there. At this rate though, Bethesda might make it a real-time date and release ES6 with the in-game date as 4E217.
I like to imagine a large Daedric custody battle over which Prince gets to lay claim to his soul.
I had written my own take on the Skyrim story awhile back and had a pretty cool (and possibly lore breaking) ending.
So basically, the DB started off having been born in a morally good bandit tribe, having the leader as a father. Unlike typical bandits, they respected those in the cities and only started to live in the wilderness to avoid the politics. They didn't even hunt for food as they believed that all animals had the right to live as well, so instead, they farmed. However, this didn't mean they lacked enemies, they had constant feud with another tribe. This group of bandits was a polar opposite to them for sure. Killed for fun, hunted for sport, rap*d countless women and children, and slaughtered passing soldiers. The DB's father knew they were going to be a potential future enemy in the future so he had trained his men to fight in order to be prepared.
But one day, while the DB was out, he returned to find his tribe killed by imperial soldiers. After that, he vowed revenge. So, he enlisted in the Dark Brotherhood. He trained with them for five years and completed their contracts, even happily butchered every imperial he came across. Eventually he was going beyond what he was permitted to do so they kicked him out. But even after that, he continued assassinating imperial officers. Until he was caught... While attempting to assassinate the officer directly under General Tulius (an original character), the DB was stopped by the daughter of the officer. Instead of utilizing combat, she used her words and her compassion to stop him. When he realizes that he was doing the same thing to her that happened to him, he dropped his weapons and surrendered.
After that, he spent time in the solitude prison and the daughter didn't resent him for what he did. Instead, she wanted to know why, so he told her his story and how his family was murdered by the imperials. Surprised, she asked him for his tribe name, so he told her. After hearing this, she was confused as she never heard a report of that, so she did some investigation herself. Eventually, with the help of her father, they found out what really happened: they were after the other tribe and the DB's tribe was only there to assist the imperials. The DB's father and mother sacrificed themselves to ensure that the imperial forces got out of there safely. They report this news to the DB who curses himself for not knowing and that he dishonored his tribe. Had he known the truth, he never would've done this. Seeing the good in him, the daughter wanted him to join her on her adventures. She was a blade for hire to help the people, sometimes doing things for free because she just wanted to help. Well, the DB was permitted to join her and they accomplished lots together. A few months later, it appeared he completely changed, but that was until they arrived to an area close to that tribe that wiped out his family. It appeared that he was fine, but that vengeance was still there. One night, when the daughter was asleep, he snuck out and went over to the bandit camp. Utilizing his skills he learned throughout life (from his father, the Dark Brotherhood, and the shieldmaiden), he slaughtered everyone. In the morning, she realizes he's gone, only to find him at the camp and sitting on a rock overlooking the burned tents and corpses. He says that he thought this would help him, but this only made everything worse. After that, she comforted him as he cried and later on, after a few years, they continued to work together, eventually falling in love and getting married. Since then, they joined the companions (without becoming werewolves), and then later after that, he went off on his own for a bit. Still trying to atone for his sins, he took bounties from every hold, eventually getting a bounty to track down Lokir of Rorikstead... and that's how he gets into that ambush. Though, instead of being a prisoner the whole time, he is freed immediately by Tulius himself who calls everyone stupid for mistaking the DB as a criminal. He is handed some weapons and when Alduin attacks, he helps defend the town, but after the imperials realize that Alduin can't be beaten, that's when they retreat. Tulius gives the DB a special assignment to warn the Jarl of Whiterun about the Dragons so the DB does that. After that, the story of Skyrim officially starts, but instead of the Dragonborn being born, they are instead chosen. After sleeping one night, the DB wakes up feeling different. And he is, he's stronger, faster, more agile, and is more durable too. However, he doesn't realize why until he kills his first dragon. That's when he learns he's dragonborn.
So, just like the original story, he defeats Alduin, then Miraak, and later joins the College of Winterhold and the Thieves Guild, but only because he needed to.
After his first time in Markarth, he pissed off Molag Bal when he had Boethiah's priest exorcise the alter. Since then, Molag Bal wanted revenge, so after the battles with Alduin and Miraak, tears in the liminal barriers began to form, enough for Molag Bal to put a curse on the DB's family. The DB's wife was immediately killed, but his 3 year old son was doomed to suffer. Thinking he could solve it with magic and alchemy, he studied at the College, Ancano didn't even become a problem at all because the DB curb stomped him at first sight (he hates Thalmor). But even after mastering magic and alchemy, he could only supress the symptoms. That's when he hired a priestess and taught her a potion blend that she could give to his son. (It's basically a potion of ultimate cure disease.) But he knew he couldn't take care of his son for long, he needed to get back to work. But due to his new loss, he returned to his darker path and joined the Thieves Guild. Unlike in the canon, he didn't take any shit from Maven and let her know he was in control. She may have money, but he has abilities that could completely pulverize empires. (which was proven in the past as he ended the civil war by ending the Aldmeri Dominion.) Also, unlike the canon, Mercer was taken out quicker because the DB caught Karliah's arrow before stabbing it into Mercer (he never trusted him since day one). Due to his accomplishments, he was named the guild master, and the first thing he ordered was to stop the stealing from the poor, and that they were going to steal from the rich. After that, they shut down Maven and returned the money to the civilians and then went to Markarth and shut down the Silverbloods.
After that, he returned to his bounty hunting life for years and eventually caught wind of the vampires before joining the Dawnguard. He met Serana, killed some vampires, befriended an immortal dragon, and got Auriel's bow... but that's when Molag Bal showed in his true form. He destroyed the bow, and the DB battled Bal, losing his life in the process, as Serana retreated to Fort Dawnguard, all seemed lost and they were getting ready for a final push to go out in a blaze of glory. But that's until the DB returned, having been revived and amplified by the powers of Akatosh. After that, the DB led the Dawguard against the vampires. As the DB battled Molag Bal, Serana joined the Dawnguard in combat against Harkon and his vampires. Both sides seemed completely neck and neck, until the DB gained the upperhand and defeated Bal while giving his life in the process. Using the last of his bestowed power, he rewrote time and used his love for the world to create an indestructible shield to protect mankind from daedric influence permanently. And after that, he arrived to Sovngarde and reunited with his wife and son, living the rest of eternity in peace.
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I enjoyed the read :)
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Twaz good but you forgot one thing, he needed to curb stomp Miraak
@@KyleWilson96 Bro basically curb stomps everyone. Dude could be an MK character with his level of brutality.
People always forget the cheese reference Sheo makes in Skyrim. Remember, eating cheese wheels to heal os an infamous meme.
It'd be kind of lame if the Dragonborn got owned by Herma that much. Clavicus already tells us we're almost half as strong as a Daedric Lord ourselves.
It'd be much more amusing if the Dragonborn wins that fight, and you only find out if you go looking for Hermeus... and find out the Dragonborn did a funny and did a Jiggy-to-Sheo-type funny.
So you're saying he BECAME Hermaeus Mora. That... Wouldn't be out of the picture. The Dragonborn is most likely a Shezzarine or some sort of equivalent demigod-esque being, especially if they're almost half as strong as a Daedric Prince. Which, let me remind you, is more powerful than a Divine as they didn't give up their power to help create the mortal plane. This means the Dragonborn is probably 3/4ths as powerful as a Divine if not equal to.
The question is, how would one mantle Hermaeus Mora, and WHY would you want to? For how slow the tentacled bastard talks, you damn near need to be immortal just to hold a basic conversation with him. I aged a good 30 years the first time I spoke to him about Bend Will all the way back in 2013. One minute, I was 13 and in 8th grade. The next minute I was 43 and experiencing chronic joint pain and male pattern baldness. Now I'm somehow back to being 24 and the slimy goat-pupiled bastard never took the chronic joint pain back.
That's early game dragonborn, imagine how powerful he would become after the events of the dragonborn's dlc, all the magic, thu'um, and skills TLD obtained could easily rival and beat multiple daedric princes.
There is also a chance that during the second Dragon Break, the Agent is still alive, but in a fractured timeline that didn't make it when the time converged back in on itself mending Akatosh. So, there is a chance if a third Dragon Break occurs- this fracture timeline that the Agent is lost in, could wind up back in the real timeline after it repairs itself for a third time, where the Agent stumbles back into reality unaware they were lost in the second dragon break, going back to living like nothing happened.
I don’t think it as necessary as people seem to believe it is. That the previous antagonist are out of the picture for the next game.
I already see all my favorite headcanons mentioned and discussed in the comments so I'm just gonna say in Daggerfall 6:40 YOU CAN LOOK DOWN...and set it to mouse look, and bind keys more or less to standard First Person Shooter controls, all that kind of stuff without mods. (Yes okay sure, the default controls suck)
Nice vid!
I don't buy the whole Champion of Cyrodiil/Sheogorath thing.
First of all, why are the only sources of information about Jyggalag people who are already inside the Shivering Isles? You'd think a powerful daedric lord would be well known across the universe, but every library in Tamriel is mysteriously lacking in the J section. And it's been 200 years since the curse was supposedly broken. Where is he? You'd think he'd be eager to reestablish himself and start building a following, but it's been radio silence for two centuries.
Next, the story doesn't make sense. You honestly expect me to buy that all the other daedra teamed up to fight Jyggalag? Molag and Meridia? Boethiah and Malacath? Ain't no way they would ever set aside their grievances with each other.
And Jyggalag himself? If he really had a grand library filled with books containing the logical consequences of every action ever taken, then how did he not know his quest for perfect order _in Oblivion, a realm characterized by its chaos_ was as frivolous as reading by candlelight underwater? How did he not anticipate the other princes would conspire against him?
But here's the real kicker: You're going to tell me the Hero of Kvatch, a completely normal, mortal guy -- no Dragonborn powers or Nerevarine prophecy behind him -- defeated _the most powerful daedric prince... _*_in his own realm??_* That's fairytale nonsense.
No, what's far more likely is that the whole thing -- Greymarch, Jyggalag -- it was all made up. An elaborate prank by Sheogorath to trick the Champion of Cyrodiil into staying in the Shivering Isles as a permanent resident. Sheo made up a flimsy story with a straightforward bad guy to appeal to the Champion's self aggrandisement and sense of heroism. And the fact that so many people take the DLC's main quest as gospel proved that it worked.
And doesn't the end result just make sense? Imagine traveling through the Shivering Isles and running into some dude absolutely convinced that he's the real Sheogorath. Sounds exactly like the kind of crazy person that belongs in the Asylum.
That's a whole lotta hoops lmao, the very fact that you have to jump through all these hoops just to come out with "just a prank bro" was expecting something a bit better then that lmao
Also jygalag is a recognised daedric prince, you do realise there is more lore to him outside the shivering isles dlc lmao
Jyggalag was actually mentioned in a book as early as Daggerfall, alongside an implication that there could be more often forgotten/lesser known princes
The way Skyrim's Sheo speaks about the events of Oblivion lends to that outcome especially the part where he mentions Martin.
"You are the best Septim that ever ruled, well except for that Martin fella but he turned into a dragon god and that's hardly sporting."
Martin was only Emperor for maybe a few minutes so he didn't have time to rule anything. The fact that the Sheogorath we meet in Skyrim thinks so highly of him should be a clue that he was the hero from Oblivion because they were written to be good friends by the time Martin sacrificed himself.
As for the Jyggalag thing, we literally see Sheogorath transform before becoming the new Mad God.
The ending has Jyggalag free while the hero rules the Shivering Isles as the new Sheogorath.
You are free to believe otherwise but the evidence speaks for itself.
This is a really great video 👌 Keep up the great work man!
One of my theories for the last dragon born is that he will show up as an antagonist in a future game, like perhaps Hermaous Mora will try to basically cause a second oblivion crisis and the dragon born will be part of it.
it’s so funny you bring up the champion of cyrodiil thing because i was just thinking that same thing TWO days ago while watching my brother play oblivion
17:34 That armor your character is wearing looks great with the Konahriik mask. But I don't recognise it. Where did you get it?
I get chills at the theee houses calling him hortator and the ashlanders will call him neravarine… just such a great story!
Holy moly I never knew it took 10 years for the first elder scrolls to finish. Now that’s a journey and a half
I like to think the eternal champion is high chancellor ocato, that high elf in the elder council, and also that one dude holding a torch for uriel in daggerfall intro. About the HoK, I believe what he made was basically freeing Jyggalag from sheogorath's curse by assuming it, so probably every new era the Hok would be able to return to normal similar to Will Turner in pirates of the Caribean
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I always headcanon-ed that the High Chancellor in Oblivion (Ocato? Its been a while) that is kind of running the empire after the Septims were murdered was the eternal champion from Arena. Meaning he was there with the emperor when he was talking to the agent sent to Daggerfall too.
My personal head cannon for my characters across the Elder Scrolls is that it is a lineage of heroes. The Vestige of ESO being the first of note in the family line. Followed by the Eternal Champion, who is also the Agent of Daggerfall. In Arena Ria Silmane says that you were left to die in the Imperial dungeons since you were a minor part of the court i.e. in some way related to Talin. I personally like the idea that the Eternal Champion becomes a member of the Blades after the events of Arena and is then entrusted with the mission in Daggerfall. Then, his son is whisked away in chains as "a child born on a certain day to uncertain parents" but its just Uriel saying, "Send the Champion's kid." Then much like the Eternal Champion being sent to Daggerfall, the "nereverine" (I put it in quotes, because there is some fluff lore that suggests the great houses and ash tribes sending you out was them just telling you to go do something to claim that you filled the prophecy) is sent by the Emperor to Akavir to try and see if it was worth launching a campaign, before being intercepted upon his return and once again whisked into the Imperial Dungeon to await the meeting with the Emperor. Uriel being super dramatic and clandestine tries to act like he doesn't know the nereverine/hero of Kvatch in the dungeon, but it's why he trusts him so much. Then after disappearing into Oblivion his children continue his line in Cyrodil until one of them wants to return to their ancestral homeland only to be caught at the border and sentenced to death alongside the Stormcloak rebels and Ulfric himself.
I like to believe the Last Dragonborn's canonical ending will be that he died in glorious battle and is now sitting at Shor's side in Sovngarde for all eternity