I think one metric that could be taken into consideration - though it would be hard to implement - is going beyond the boundaries of best team available. What I mean by that, is how much can you stretch a galactic legend out and still get the most use out of them. JMK is fantastic, but only really if he has CAT, otherwise he can be beaten by a plethora of other teams and off meta things; whereas someone like SEE really only needs himself and maybe armorer or Watt, meaning you don't have to invest a lot into his team to get the most out of him. JML can take trash Jedi and make them still fantastic, then you can you use leftover stuff from his main team like JKL and JKR to maybe take out SLKR and so on. SLKR has a huge net he casts now with all the omicrons and what not on his teams, meaning you can spread out and make the most out of what you have, and he even comes with the Finalizer. I think you probably get the idea by now and like I said, this would be a cool thing to take into account, but it would be a hard metric to implement into what you already have, especially because it's kind of a combination of a few things you already talked about. Either way, great video as usual!
@@songeta level 80 right now, my best character is Gear 10, gonna be a bit but I'm hopeful. Need to farm up a LOT of smaller teams in order to get him, but it'll hopefully be worth it.
@@songeta Lots of the same ones as yours, but our rankings are very different. For example, Rey's Resistance Faction is getting huge bumps under Zorii. Obviously not a lot of testing around that team yet, but people will soon come to realize how insane that team is. LV is also so underappreciated, so I am so happy to see you had him ranked #3. That's where I have had him forever. Again, really great video.
Firstly, I really appreciate these videos. They are super helpful. It really helps me think through how I want to approach the game so thank you! I still feel like SEE is missing the mark in these rankings. I appreciate that you highlighted the annoyance of his slow animations, but a character being slow shouldn't affect their rating/ranking unless its actually a category. I feel like he gets a lower rank because it's just a common viewpoint to an extent. How does his reqs get the lowest score on the chart? If you consider his grind from a new player perspective, it is foundational for getting established for later grinds. Not only are they the easiest/fastest reqs to achieve, but he also has: 3 fleet commanders (piett, tarkin, thrawn) 5 pilots (vader, palp, RG, JKA, marauder) core imperial troopers squad strong empire base crossover with: executor (piett, vader, tie bomber) LV (dooku, tarkin, JKA*) SLKR (palp) Just my thoughts, hope you don't mind!
@@songeta Wow, thanks for humoring the thought on this one! Subscribed to your channel today, have watched quite a few videos and the content is awesome. Excited to see more stuff!
Fantastic vid. I think you underrated Jabba's PVE value in two ways. Not considering the new raid is tough. When that new system launches it will basically be Jabba at a 8-10 and the GL's that can solo the sith raid at like a 5, the others at zero. I understand not considering a game mode that hasn't been released yet though. The smuggler's run that he unlocks is probably the best rewards in the game
Yeah, the new raid situation is tough - I gave him a little boost because that is coming, but on the other hand it artificially skews raids towards him and away from every other GL, so I wanted them all to have a fair shake
Great video! Are you considering adding Exec and Prof to the ratings next time? Only thing you didn't mention in ease of acquisition is CAT for JMK. That's much harder than Wat for new accounts IMO. Two year farm unless you throw an absurd amount of crystals at it, that could be better spent elsewhere. For example, I'd rather dump those crystals into taking Exec from 5 to 7 stars and going after a different GL.
I wouldn't add them to the GL video, but maybe I will eventually get to a comparison of the two in a similar style video. And yes, CAT is harder to get, but she is not required to obtain JMK, so I did not factor that into his acquisition score. I did, however, consider WAT in that, which bumped him down a bit. For the sake of the evaluation and the difficulty of looking at each GL with a fair shake, I just had to compromise on some areas and make a presupposition like "they have their best team already," because in the end this is not a recommended farming order at all. I appreciate your take though! Exec to 7 stars is probably the best use of crystals at any point
Lord Vader a tricky acquisition, I reckon he should be ranked lower. After I got GAS and JMK I thought about going for him because his requirements really meshed with those other two, but unless you went for SEE first, you aren't really going to have a decent team setup for him once you unlock him. I think every other GL has at least a temporary team you can use with them immediately after unlocking, but not so for LV. It's a big hurdle for me cuz I could probably go for LV on my main account now and it wouldn't take too long, but I have nothing to use with him except an R5 Vader and a R7 Tarkin (my Empire faction is trash atm).
With the addition of Zorii for the Resistance I definitely think GL Rey's quality of requirements raised a few levels, Zorii has turned the Resistance castoffs into a face melting squad.
I'm using Mace with JMK in 5v5 until I get CAT, but his Omicron is so lethal with JMK. Very much an ace I keep up with sleeve when we get held up on one team.
I feel like JML should’ve gotten a 7 or 8 honestly for offensive GA. While he might not be a super counter to every team, with his ability to bring up other, not very good Jedi around him, and his huge variety of team comps, he can beat every other galactic legend with relatively good banners as his taunt is difficult to get around. Going off that last thought, one potential ranking you should consider for GAC and TW is banner efficiency
I think in acquisition you should have considered how good the gl works with their reqs more. E.g. jabba and slkr pretty much work with the reqs you need to unlock them whereas all other gls need additional characters (rg and maul for lv, cat, ahsoka and a fifth for jmk, good jedi for jml, a bunch of randos for see and swolo for rey
It is something useful to know and I know AhnaldT covers that when he ranks GLs, but I did not really want to use that as an official category because for some GL's like LV and to an extent JMK, you don't care if the requirements work well with them because you likely have good stuff anyway by the time you unlock those.
I think the idea of "best possible teams" is in itself an issue to discuss. SEE for example; wants Wat as apart of his "best team", but Wat is also a staple on Mauldalorians. On the topic of Mauldalorians, Maul is on that team; and also on the best LV team, So; I think it might be worth doing a Part-B or follow-up video talking about a "non-ideal" GL ranking and rating, Discussing how well each GL stacks up when their ideal team comp isn't present, also discussing the GL's viability and strength when they don't have access to their "best team."
@@songeta Yeah, thanks; as a LV owner I almost never actually field the ideal LV team. Maul on his own team, Piett on IT, DVader elsewhere. It's pretty much just LV and RG who are consistent; and the same applies to other GL's like JKL on a JML team; and so on. Like; how often do we really ever encounter the best versions of each team. I sure rarely ever do.
To be clear, all are great - just might be trickier in GAC if he is your only one! Sith and Cpit raids are less of a concern soon, and Jabba is an excellent second choice since you will already have JKL. Don't fret!
Great video! And useful guide for someone relatively new to the game like me. Not sure if I missed it somewhere, but did you factor into JMK’s rating that he needs CAT for his full potential? Basically like a hidden requirement. Not being able to get her since I’m sub 4mil is what convinced me not to go for JMK early
Thanks! And yeah I see what your saying, he is a bit "gated" for players that get him before CAT. But yes, that is one of my premises from the first screen, that all GL's are assumed to have their best possible lineups available for ratings
Good rating! I really think that SEE should be a little higher, I've watched a lot of GA vids and something I notice is that he always wins. Like, people know what he is good at and put him against him so he's just a very stable GL. All the other Gls get loses all the time because theirs always a risk of losing in their battles. I myself am going for SEE and after that Jabba, It's nice to see Jabba at 2nd place. Great vid, keep up the wonderful work!
JMK takes a dip in score though. CAT's for him what Ben is for Rey, not to mention that Negotiator and Wat Tambor are inaccesibile for most new players. Jabba also got artificially bumped up with TB missions and the separate event.
Yeah I think I tried to integrate the difficulty of access with him. And the CAT thing, it is true but I laid out at the beginning that for the sake of evaluating everyone I was going to assume they had their best squads available. Right now JMK is for sure the most valuable GL
I see what you're saying, but I'd likely stand by that - he is probably like a 5.4. The whole faction is top heavy, and in 5v5 you can't truly afford to run a top tier SLKR team + a good Omi team
@@songeta can't you say the same about JMK though? Especially on offence you usually bring JMK and CAT and then a bunch of garbage jedi since you don't rlly want to be using padme GAS or anyone else too valuable.
I'm about to unlock SEE and now i see it wasn't a great idea 😅. I have 2.8 GP and padme team relic 5 with both revans and malak sitting at G12. Should I go for JMK after them or focus on teams like CLS, Bounty Hunters or do some events like JNL -Starkiller? Kinda long question but would make me happy if u answer it.
nice list, i agree with it other then that jabba rn is definatly the best gl becasue he is very good for pvp and can get you into a very good guild because hes so good in krayt and tb but jmk is very good too
Yeah, I'm starting to get on board with that sentiment because several have said as much - I think I gave her that rating because plenty of teams still can technically beat her, but it is difficult
@@songeta I think while there are plenty of us that have figured out a counter for the most part, a lot of people don’t understand it enough to not fail judging by the stats.
May be based on my own's poor performance on defense - but definitely not external to the game. If you watch my last GL ranking, I rated her third best GL overall soooo...
She would if I were considering datacrons more - without DC's, she gets killed by SK too easily for me to bump her too much. But she could probably use more to a degree, yes
I think one metric that could be taken into consideration - though it would be hard to implement - is going beyond the boundaries of best team available. What I mean by that, is how much can you stretch a galactic legend out and still get the most use out of them. JMK is fantastic, but only really if he has CAT, otherwise he can be beaten by a plethora of other teams and off meta things; whereas someone like SEE really only needs himself and maybe armorer or Watt, meaning you don't have to invest a lot into his team to get the most out of him. JML can take trash Jedi and make them still fantastic, then you can you use leftover stuff from his main team like JKL and JKR to maybe take out SLKR and so on. SLKR has a huge net he casts now with all the omicrons and what not on his teams, meaning you can spread out and make the most out of what you have, and he even comes with the Finalizer. I think you probably get the idea by now and like I said, this would be a cool thing to take into account, but it would be a hard metric to implement into what you already have, especially because it's kind of a combination of a few things you already talked about. Either way, great video as usual!
Really well thought out and detailed ranking. Great work
Much obliged!
Hmm i was wondering about a vid like this.. and whoala.. here ot is😃😁 thankyou
Definitely going for jabba atm, he seems way to useful to pass on. I don’t have jkl yet so it’ll probably take me 6-7 months or so to get him
Yeah Jabba is amazing! Very difficult to get for a newer account though
@@songeta level 80 right now, my best character is Gear 10, gonna be a bit but I'm hopeful. Need to farm up a LOT of smaller teams in order to get him, but it'll hopefully be worth it.
It's funny, I came to the exact same 1 through 7 rankings as you, but in very different ways.
Oh yeah? That's pretty cool - what were your considerations?
@@songeta Lots of the same ones as yours, but our rankings are very different. For example, Rey's Resistance Faction is getting huge bumps under Zorii. Obviously not a lot of testing around that team yet, but people will soon come to realize how insane that team is.
LV is also so underappreciated, so I am so happy to see you had him ranked #3. That's where I have had him forever. Again, really great video.
Firstly, I really appreciate these videos. They are super helpful. It really helps me think through how I want to approach the game so thank you!
I still feel like SEE is missing the mark in these rankings. I appreciate that you highlighted the annoyance of his slow animations, but a character being slow shouldn't affect their rating/ranking unless its actually a category. I feel like he gets a lower rank because it's just a common viewpoint to an extent.
How does his reqs get the lowest score on the chart? If you consider his grind from a new player perspective, it is foundational for getting established for later grinds. Not only are they the easiest/fastest reqs to achieve, but he also has:
3 fleet commanders (piett, tarkin, thrawn)
5 pilots (vader, palp, RG, JKA, marauder)
core imperial troopers squad
strong empire base
crossover with:
executor (piett, vader, tie bomber)
LV (dooku, tarkin, JKA*)
SLKR (palp)
Just my thoughts, hope you don't mind!
Glad you like this one! I do really appreciate the feedback, and I will probably re-evaluates my SEE requirements score, you make some great points.
@@songeta Wow, thanks for humoring the thought on this one! Subscribed to your channel today, have watched quite a few videos and the content is awesome. Excited to see more stuff!
@@WhatsSmackin of course! And that’s awesome, happy to have you aboard!
Fantastic vid. I think you underrated Jabba's PVE value in two ways. Not considering the new raid is tough. When that new system launches it will basically be Jabba at a 8-10 and the GL's that can solo the sith raid at like a 5, the others at zero. I understand not considering a game mode that hasn't been released yet though. The smuggler's run that he unlocks is probably the best rewards in the game
Yeah, the new raid situation is tough - I gave him a little boost because that is coming, but on the other hand it artificially skews raids towards him and away from every other GL, so I wanted them all to have a fair shake
Great video! Are you considering adding Exec and Prof to the ratings next time? Only thing you didn't mention in ease of acquisition is CAT for JMK. That's much harder than Wat for new accounts IMO. Two year farm unless you throw an absurd amount of crystals at it, that could be better spent elsewhere. For example, I'd rather dump those crystals into taking Exec from 5 to 7 stars and going after a different GL.
I wouldn't add them to the GL video, but maybe I will eventually get to a comparison of the two in a similar style video. And yes, CAT is harder to get, but she is not required to obtain JMK, so I did not factor that into his acquisition score. I did, however, consider WAT in that, which bumped him down a bit. For the sake of the evaluation and the difficulty of looking at each GL with a fair shake, I just had to compromise on some areas and make a presupposition like "they have their best team already," because in the end this is not a recommended farming order at all. I appreciate your take though! Exec to 7 stars is probably the best use of crystals at any point
@@songeta Thanks for the reply and well reasoned comment!
@@songeta Seven starring executor Can be an important use of crystals? I was only saving to get it to five stars
@@erix4erix if you can get by without it, then don’t spend the crystals - for me at the higher end, I had to do it
Lord Vader a tricky acquisition, I reckon he should be ranked lower. After I got GAS and JMK I thought about going for him because his requirements really meshed with those other two, but unless you went for SEE first, you aren't really going to have a decent team setup for him once you unlock him. I think every other GL has at least a temporary team you can use with them immediately after unlocking, but not so for LV. It's a big hurdle for me cuz I could probably go for LV on my main account now and it wouldn't take too long, but I have nothing to use with him except an R5 Vader and a R7 Tarkin (my Empire faction is trash atm).
He's definitely a late priority, but I still think LV is pretty amazing
With the addition of Zorii for the Resistance I definitely think GL Rey's quality of requirements raised a few levels, Zorii has turned the Resistance castoffs into a face melting squad.
Yeah it definitely has gone up
I'm using Mace with JMK in 5v5 until I get CAT, but his Omicron is so lethal with JMK. Very much an ace I keep up with sleeve when we get held up on one team.
Yeah it's pretty great!
I can’t wait till you update this!
Haha oh yeah it's been a few months - not sure if enough changes have happened to adjust it though TBH
I feel like JML should’ve gotten a 7 or 8 honestly for offensive GA. While he might not be a super counter to every team, with his ability to bring up other, not very good Jedi around him, and his huge variety of team comps, he can beat every other galactic legend with relatively good banners as his taunt is difficult to get around. Going off that last thought, one potential ranking you should consider for GAC and TW is banner efficiency
Great points! I do feel like it's hard to think of everything, so I appreciate input like this after a ranking
@@songeta JML at Relic 9 is a different beast on offense. IT hits so hard
I think in acquisition you should have considered how good the gl works with their reqs more. E.g. jabba and slkr pretty much work with the reqs you need to unlock them whereas all other gls need additional characters (rg and maul for lv, cat, ahsoka and a fifth for jmk, good jedi for jml, a bunch of randos for see and swolo for rey
It is something useful to know and I know AhnaldT covers that when he ranks GLs, but I did not really want to use that as an official category because for some GL's like LV and to an extent JMK, you don't care if the requirements work well with them because you likely have good stuff anyway by the time you unlock those.
I think the idea of "best possible teams" is in itself an issue to discuss.
SEE for example; wants Wat as apart of his "best team", but Wat is also a staple on Mauldalorians.
On the topic of Mauldalorians, Maul is on that team; and also on the best LV team,
So; I think it might be worth doing a Part-B or follow-up video talking about a "non-ideal" GL ranking and rating,
Discussing how well each GL stacks up when their ideal team comp isn't present, also discussing the GL's viability and strength when they don't have access to their "best team."
That's a pretty good idea! Parts of this ranking are not completely practical in that regard, but your suggestion seems very based on practicality
@@songeta Yeah, thanks; as a LV owner I almost never actually field the ideal LV team.
Maul on his own team, Piett on IT, DVader elsewhere. It's pretty much just LV and RG who are consistent; and the same applies to other GL's like JKL on a JML team; and so on.
Like; how often do we really ever encounter the best versions of each team. I sure rarely ever do.
@@Vitrolin2408how does your LV do on defense without Maul and Piett?
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On defense? He doesnt go on there. Basically he's just used to either solo or duo SLKRs, SEEs or such on offense.
As someone going for JML as a first, that rating is kinda brutal.
Jabba as second planned atm, but still.
He’s still amazing. His versatility on offense is great
To be clear, all are great - just might be trickier in GAC if he is your only one! Sith and Cpit raids are less of a concern soon, and Jabba is an excellent second choice since you will already have JKL. Don't fret!
I went for him first, too and didn't regret it. However, it was before JMK was a thing.
Great video! And useful guide for someone relatively new to the game like me. Not sure if I missed it somewhere, but did you factor into JMK’s rating that he needs CAT for his full potential? Basically like a hidden requirement. Not being able to get her since I’m sub 4mil is what convinced me not to go for JMK early
Thanks! And yeah I see what your saying, he is a bit "gated" for players that get him before CAT. But yes, that is one of my premises from the first screen, that all GL's are assumed to have their best possible lineups available for ratings
Good rating! I really think that SEE should be a little higher, I've watched a lot of GA vids and something I notice is that he always wins. Like, people know what he is good at and put him against him so he's just a very stable GL. All the other Gls get loses all the time because theirs always a risk of losing in their battles. I myself am going for SEE and after that Jabba, It's nice to see Jabba at 2nd place. Great vid, keep up the wonderful work!
Thanks! And SEE always wins because people pick their battles, but the versatility of how many GL's he can handle is more what I look at
@@songeta Ah, okay.
Remember though, SEE is terrible on defense unless you are also now throwing savage omi into the mix.
The way u describe see's req quality makes it sound more like a 6 or 7, if slkr is a 5
You know, you're probably right actually. Wouldn't be enough to swing his total rank though
@@songeta yeah fair enough, just something I noticed in the vid
JMK takes a dip in score though. CAT's for him what Ben is for Rey, not to mention that Negotiator and Wat Tambor are inaccesibile for most new players. Jabba also got artificially bumped up with TB missions and the separate event.
Yeah I think I tried to integrate the difficulty of access with him. And the CAT thing, it is true but I laid out at the beginning that for the sake of evaluating everyone I was going to assume they had their best squads available. Right now JMK is for sure the most valuable GL
SLKR req quality a 5? Fleet beat executor and there’s no dead weight, you make the SLKR team and the secondary teams have omicrons.
True
I see what you're saying, but I'd likely stand by that - he is probably like a 5.4. The whole faction is top heavy, and in 5v5 you can't truly afford to run a top tier SLKR team + a good Omi team
@@songeta can't you say the same about JMK though? Especially on offence you usually bring JMK and CAT and then a bunch of garbage jedi since you don't rlly want to be using padme GAS or anyone else too valuable.
What GLS do you have other than SLKR. Genuinely curious.
@@songeta I see the reasoning 👌🏻
I'm about to unlock SEE and now i see it wasn't a great idea 😅. I have 2.8 GP and padme team relic 5 with both revans and malak sitting at G12. Should I go for JMK after them or focus on teams like CLS, Bounty Hunters or do some events like JNL -Starkiller? Kinda long question but would make me happy if u answer it.
Try to work on some important teams now - CLS and Bh sound like a great start!
Kenobi is life
First, HA, very good vid
You didn’t even watch it yet
Haha thanks, but I have to agree with Nick - you didn't watch it yet!
nice list, i agree with it other then that jabba rn is definatly the best gl becasue he is very good for pvp and can get you into a very good guild because hes so good in krayt and tb but jmk is very good too
He is super valuable for sure! There’s a really good argument for him being the best
Thanks
I feel like rey on d for gac is a little low with Ben now in the game
Yeah, I'm starting to get on board with that sentiment because several have said as much - I think I gave her that rating because plenty of teams still can technically beat her, but it is difficult
@@songeta I think while there are plenty of us that have figured out a counter for the most part, a lot of people don’t understand it enough to not fail judging by the stats.
Can you rank also in terms of their ability to most quickly unlock toons asap in proving grounds after reaching 4 mil gp?
For example, it seems not all GLs are equally good at beating Malgus when proving grounds opens .. they might need hard to get teams to do it
Sure! 1 SEE, 2 SLKR, 3 Rey. I don’t know much about proving grounds though since I can’t play it
I wish SEE would get a lifter unit
Yeah, until it's a game breaking one haha. But yeah that would be nice
Your Rey thoughts on her defense viability is a little bit low it seems your holding something against her other than her ability in-game
May be based on my own's poor performance on defense - but definitely not external to the game. If you watch my last GL ranking, I rated her third best GL overall soooo...
I think rey deserves more points on defence, especially in 3v3
She would if I were considering datacrons more - without DC's, she gets killed by SK too easily for me to bump her too much. But she could probably use more to a degree, yes
Jml the weakest? I win everytime vs rey/ben and kylo All time full Banner... i dont know what you See
JML isn't the weakest - he is tied with Rey for 5th and SEE is weakest
Rip my JML farm
Give him a lifter cg 🙏
Haha he is still good! Just expensive
@@crackedfrijoles6696 porg army
@@jackb1272 facts. Maybe he could have one of those weird things he milks
@@songeta my farm is currently exec, JML, jabba, doyou think it would be plausible to just go straight for jabba instead of doing JML first?
SLKR is way better than Lord Vader
I disagree
I also disagree
What a suprise kenobi is the best because the only thing that counters him is another kenobi. Trash tier balance in this game right now
He is definitely amazing - but Jabba takes him pretty easy
JML counters him pretty safely