Families of Victims Demand a 'Dangerous Cycling' Law
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2024
- Speed limits do not apply to cyclists, a fact that Gerard Griffiths found out in the most tragic of ways after his mother Hilda was knocked down and killed by a speeding cyclist in June of 2022. This week her son listened to the details of how she died at her inquest in central London - how his mother was killed by banker Brian Fitzgerald who was cycling at speeds of up to 29 mph in a 20 mph zone. Yet, he avoided any prosecution as no speed limits exist for cyclists so legally.
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the guy should still be jailed for manslaughter as he killed someone
That’s not what manslaughter means though
@@andrewfulton3435 what would you say if it was a car driver or worst still a member of your family?
@@Old_Man_Pete who was killed? Or the cyclist?
@@Maynards_so_blue the man's wife and the other man's mum, did you actually watch the video?
@@andrewfulton3435 what does manslaughter mean then?
What freaks me out are the cyclists and electric scooter users jumping from road to pavement to zebra crossings without looking especially in the dark with no lights!! It's getting really dangerous...
Isn't that what pedestrians also do?.
@@mikewade777not at the speeds cyclists go.
@@paulharrison8152 Given pedestrians have trouble walking in the straight line speed really isn't relevant.
@@mikewade777🤦♀️😡
@@maxine4898 🤦🤡
Cyclists need proper rules and regulation like any other road user
They have them in the Highway Code, they just don’t abide by them.
@@paulharrison8152 some do, some don’t - it’s good to raise awareness about the safety, instead of enforcing new expensive rules that majority won’t be able to afford. It’s all about social responsibility, that not many people have in the UK, as people tend to be selfish af (eg. “I don’t care about others, it’s only me and me that counts” - so many examples of that visible daily)
Rules and regulations to be enforced require a contract
It needs taxing and registration so they can be traced and fined.
I was almost knocked over by a Deliveroo cyclist running a red light at a pedestrian crossing. He came flying down the inside of a bus in the cycle lane and I didn't see him until he passed. If I'd been just a few seconds earlier he would've rode right into me. This wasn't a junction either so the only time the light goes red is when people want to cross
Riding on pavements has become the norm and there are electric bikes and scooters in London doing 30 MPH. They are taking away the safe haven of the vulnerable, disabled, elderly, deaf, children and the blind because cyclists are frightened to ride on the roads. You can't make it up. They are scared, so they cycle on the pavement to scare someone who is a lot more vulnerable than them. Kew Bridge has huge delivery bikes with baskets on doing 20mph on a pavement, and there are electric bikes weighing so much doing over 20 mph on a shared pavement. What are these people thinking who make it that the pavements are shared thinking? As the guy in the video said it seems that the cycling lobby are flexing their muscles and they have infiltrated the road safety departments. Khan is to blame in London he has allowed shared pavements, and that is an absolute disgrace. Get the cyclists off the pavements and make electric bikes illegal, they are a fire hazard and are being taken on the tube and there will be a serious incident causing a fire on the tube or Elizabeth line. There needs to be consequences for the self-centered actions and the people cycling are not reasonable. They have no consideration for anyone but themselves.
I was worried walking on London pavements since 2014 saying that cyclists are dangerous
You complete melt
Sorry, I don’t understand your comment
@@maxine4898 same here...Iv'e heard of a meltdown tho.
I'm an active cyclist and cycle in a moderate safe manner and I have to mention I've seen a lot of reckless cyclist who ride in an arrogant manner and are aggressive when confronted by their behaviour!
some are just thugs on 2 wheels.
speed limits should apply to anything with wheels that use a road simple
Well it does already. The speed limit is the speed limit 🤦♂️
Where as 20 zones should be ignored by all except outside schools.
An elderly friend of mine was walking his dog along the roadside in Cumbria and was struck from behind by a cyclist training on one of his time trial things travelling at approximately 30 miles per hour with his head down and not paying attention to what was in front of him on the public highway..my friend lost an entire eye and suffered life changing brain injuries and spent months in hospital..
If a car driver had been responsible then there would of been a prosecution and probable jail ..but nothing whatsoever for the cyclist who was actually more concerned about the catastrophic damage to his bike than he was about my blameless friends horrific injuries..
The public highway is not a velodrome..or the route for wannabe Tour de France entrants..and treating offending dangerous cyclists as the thoughtless criminals they are is long overdue..
They should be held to account
The biggest issue is that we cannot hear them and by the time you react it can often be too late. Cyclist attitudes also need to change, they act entitled as if everyone must move for them
Then get out of my way yah wallop
I think you'll find that's some cyclists. Don't tar everyone with the same brush.
You are supposed to look also 🤦♂️
As for any other vehicles, they should move if they are approaching a cyclist, due to the fact that a cyclist cannot survive a car crash or worse - bus crash or van crash, it’s an instant death sentence.
I’m disappointed at the quality of the journalism that was behind these interviews. It has let the presenters down and gives the impression that they are, at best, misinformed about the law. There already is a ‘dangerous cycling’ law aside from the Victorian law that is mentioned. Dangerous cycling is a specific offence contrary to Section 28 of the Road Traffic Act 1998 which mirrors the offence of dangerous driving in Section 2 of the Road Traffic Act 1998.
Laws here or there. Do you think they care about them?
@@mikefraser4513 whom are the ‘they’ you are referring to?
You'd think these family members would inflict their own justice, now these killers arent protected in prison ?
I've come close to being seriously injured by a collision with a cyclist on two separate occasions. Both of these occasions were in Leeds city centre. Both times I was crossing the road when the lights were green for pedestrians but not traffic, yet cyclists ignored the lights and sped across the pedestrian crossing. The first incident involved a delivery guy who actually clipped my arm and knocked my handbag into another pedestrian. I had literally just stepped off the pavement and he badly bruised me and then barely avoided another pedestrian. The man he just missed protested, but he didn't even swear. However the cyclist did swear and actually laughed as he rode off.
The second occasion was again an instance where I was crossing the road and the lights were green for pedestrians. On this occasion the cyclist appeared to be a leisure cyclist or someone cycling to work. I was half way across the road when the cyclist appeared from the opposite pavement and diagonally crossed the road zigzagging around several people including me. He caught me off guard, because it looked like he was just going to ride passed me but then at the last minute made me nervous by circling behind me and I nearly fell backwards into him because he caused me to put my foot down awkwardly. I was the first person he did this to and then he did it to about 3 other people. He wasn't going particularly fast but he seemed to think it was amusing to cut in between and ride around as many people as possible although I noticed he avoided riding close to other men and appeared to find it amusing to focus on spooking female pedestrians. That is until one woman threw her Starbucks on him. I presume it was still pretty hot as he was clearly no longer amused. These weren't even kids, they were grown men probably in their late 20s or even their early 30s.
This is bizarre to me as someone who lives in NYS Bicycles are accorded all of the rights of a car but are also subject to all of the duties of an automobile under traffic laws in fact if memory serves me traffic laws also apply to people skating on roads.
I couldn't agree more - I hope this comes to Wales.
Last August I had 3 Cyclists coming down a hill at Speed on a narrow country lane (a place I know only to well) I reversed out from a side road (Where it was clear) I stopped on a slight angle and my intention was to go forward and reverse back into the side road to park to go into a Church where I am Organist on a Sunday Morning. The Church in Question is off on the left and you step out from the Church "on to" the road which is a blind spot for people coming and too from the Church.
I gave the 3 Cyclists room two where coming down on the left and the other idiot split up and went down on the right into the path of my car and he went flying off his bike and landed the other side by the Church and messed up his leg real bad.
We see this problem very often and they should of slowed down and pulled over somewhere safe.
I'm still awaiting out come from the police and my insurance for this matter.
Bore off yah wallop
So you reversed out of a side road in contravention of the highway code and caused an accident and you blame cyclists?! FFS give your head a wobble.
Sounds like you were blocking the road.
Cyclists, electric scooter users, and quad bikers. All need laws to make our roads safer
And pavements!
There are many highway code laws covering the use of bikes, hired e-scooters and quad bikes. Most of them are identical to those for cars. One of the few exceptions is speed limits, as they were introduced specifically for motor vehicles and weren't believed to be necessary for cyclists who had already been using the roads for decades, without a significant number of accidents related to speed. Up unitl recently, there were very few 20mph speed limits on public roads and few cyclists are able to break a 30mph limit. Now that 20mph limits are being rolled out across the country, it would now be sensible to require cyclists to also abide by speed limits. It may also require legislation requiring bikes to be fitted with speedometers though.
When cars stop to let me walk over a zebra crossing, I always have my eyes looking between them or near the kerb, because I was almost hit by a cyclist flying through.
Best for you is to stay in doors.
What about pedestrians stepping out in front of cyclists?
Cycling is just as dangerous as driving and yet there is no law to prosecute, odd that.........
Although there is a law to prosecute. Dangerous Cycling is an offence contrary to Section 28 of the Road Traffic Act 1998. Exactly the same way that Dangerous Driving is an offence contrary to Section 2 of the same Act.
The two sections of the Act mirror each other.
I think stats prove that cars are more dangerous than bikes. Many, many, many more pedestrians are killed by motorists than are killed by cyclists. That said, there are plenty of dangerous cyclists out there.
@@mikeainsworth4504 Problem is, you can't even describe the bike let alone write down a number. ...only if the cyclist was male or female. (sometimes)
@@mikefraser4513but that is not the situation here. The cyclist is named in many reports.
It isn't though. This is like comparing hammers to guns.
Cyclists should start paying road tax as well
There's no such thing as road tax anymore. It's a vehicle excise duty, based on emissions. Some cars are now £0 p/a so what do you think a bicycle would be...? 🤔
Road tax was abolished years ago grandad.
We do pay "road tax". Roads are paid for by general or council tax. In fact, cyclists & pedestrians subsidise car drivers. What you pay is VED, a duty based on the pollution you create. On top of road accidents, car drivers cause the premature deaths of around 4,000 Londoners.
How did cycling become so divisive?
They need to be taxed and insured, like other vehicles have to be.
Cyclists do pay tax. Roads are paid for out general or council tax. In fact, cyclists & pedestrians subsidise car drivers. VED is duty based on the amount of pollution you create. Bicycles don't.
Make cyclists register their bikes also if they don't stick to cycle lanes they should face fines like us motorists
Or, they just walk with their bike if they’re not in an established cycle lane.
I'm not against cyclists at all but they need to stick to the laws and the highway code
There is no legal requirement for cyclists to use cyclelanes, many of which are actually more dangerous than the road. There is a recommendation by the authorities that faster cyclists (>15mph) use the road rather than shared used cyclepaths.
Registration schemes have been tried in several countries, but been abandoned as not cost effective.
We motorists don’t face fines when we don’t stick to motorways! Aside from Motorways, bridleways, cycle lanes, and footpaths, the roads are shared spaces for a wide range of road users including motor vehicles, horse drawn carriages, cyclists, horses, pedestrians etc. They are not, and never have been, reserved for motor vehicles.
Where I live, no-one pushes their bike through a pedestrian area. Anarchists.
It's a very unfortunate situation that has happened, and for somebody like me who doesn't cycle or has a car to drive on the road (as I'm someone who use public transport), I have to sympathize to a degree on where these gentlemen are coming from - here's the thing, there are no serious laws surrounding cycling because they are not like motorbikes or actual cars which are classed as engine-powered transportation, but there are rules in place in terms of what you can and can't do when having a bike, scooters, rollerblades etc. for example - you can't ride bike in private indoor buildings like shopping centres etc as you have to get off them and walk with your bike throughout the centre etc, and if you don't follow the rules, you could get banned from that area and your bike may get taken away from you. When it comes to outdoor public areas and cyclists riding on pavements, it's a grey area because cyclists need to be safe in terms of like keeping off busy roads and so on, and they have to rely on their own power to cycle rather than an actual engine on a motorbike.
I think, it's a question of common sense and responsibility. I think people need to be more responsible when handling things like bikes, and if you got kids/teens that are riding bikes to school or whatever, they need to be taught properly on the dos/don'ts when they are on their bikes - and I don't just mean by wearing safety gear etc, it's also being responsible when you're close to people who are on the same pavement as you as your about to approach them or go past them.
I almost got ran over on the pavement by an idiot motorcyclist that wasn't being responsible, so puts things into perspective of people needing to be responsible when using transport.
Why does someone have to die before the government take these matters seriously. How can it be 7 years of deflecting responsibility in the department of transport and 10 Downing Street.
Where I live they don’t ride in the cycle lane, they cycle in the middle of the lane weaving all over the place, holding everyone up, cutting people up. I used to enjoy driving but now it’s just an annoyance. Knowing drivers will be prosecuted but cyclists won’t is a joke! The majority of the time, they are the dangerous ones in my experience. Same with the scooters!
Cyclists are subject to most of the rules that drivers are (e.g. not going through red lights or cycling on pavements). Speed limits are one of the few exceptions, as there is no requirement to have a speedometer on a bike and until the introduction of 20mph speed limits, very few cyclists could ride fast enough to break a speed limit anyway.
@@southwirralcyclist1986But the killer of this gentleman’s mother was going 29mph, and was not prosecuted. So hey aren’t really held to account on the road laws.
@@leecostello8424 Cyclists are subject to almost all the same road laws as drivers. As I've already stated, speed limits is the exception and was rarely relevant until 20mph speed limits were introduced. If a road is only deemed safe for cars at 20mph, then it does seem reasonable to deduce it is also only safe for cyclists at 20mph. I wouldn't therefore oppose cyclists having to adhere to speed limits. The only practical issue is that currently cyclists aren't required to have speedometers. It's not really a major issue as only the faster cyclists reach 20mph and generally they have speedometers. You can get one for less than £10, so for cyclists that think they might be at risk of exceeding 20mph speed limits, it's not a huge expense.
Requiring cyclists to adhere to the 20mph in tis park would be a problem for these cyclists however. There are probably few circuits in London with a 30mph or higher speed limit which don't have any junctions where the cyclists would be required to stop or slow down. This group also chose a Saturday morning at 7am, when presumably there were few other people in the park. Perhaps the speed limit could be dropped for a few hours in the early morning.
@@southwirralcyclist1986 And as I already stated the cyclist that killed the lady was not charged. So no cyclists are not held to the same laws as motorists are they, as he was not charged for the killing. They aren’t special, but most are annoying and think they have special privileges just because they are peddling on a road next to a car. It is their choice, and they should face the same consequences as any driver for breaches of a LIMIT. Hence the term limit, for safety reasons. Repeating yourself when I understood the first time, highlights your lack of understanding, not mine.
i live in small town in nottinghamshire suttton in ashfield. The local council spent a huge sum of money on a cycle lane and no one uses it
Section 28 of the Road Traffic Act 1998.
Thanks for that .
The problem is cycling is pushed by employers, the government etc but in same places such as London there just isn’t the right infrastructure for cycling. So we end up in a ridiculous situation.
Cycling should be heavily encouraged tho, as it is healthy and generally safer. There also should be more encouragement to social responsibility in the UK (eg less selfishness) and general safety rules - more safety encouraging and informing about than fear and bans…
When do governing bodies, national or local, ever make sure the infrastructure is put in place for anything.
All mechanically propelled road users should have license, insurance and yearly vehicle safety checks.
Scooters, bicycles, mopeds, motorcycles, cars, vans etc.
The only exemption - under 12s
'Mechanically propelled' is defined as propelled by an engine or motor. Bicycles are not therefore mechanically propelled.
@southwirralcyclist1986 ebikes and escooters should. Otherwise, why should we have a license for electric cars.
@@Spyker85 Bikes with electric motors and batteries have been on the roads for at least a hundred years. It's only relatively recently though, with the development of the small powerful electric motor and lithium batteries, that they've become popular as e-bikes. E-bikes are capable of being pedalled and so aren't entirely powered by a motor. The legislation also limits the power to 250W and the motor must cutout once 15mph is exceeded. The nearest equivalent to an e-bike is a moped, but they can have a power of 4kW and aren't speed limited. The authorities have therefore maintained a distinction between the two, with e-bikes not requiring licences, helmets, MoTs, VED or insurance, whereas mopeds do require them.
It's not clear where e-scooters fit in though. Currently of course it's only legal to use a privately owned one on private land. They can be hired in some cities though, but you are required to have at least a provisional driving licence to use one. They're also limited on motor size and speed. Like e-bikes they can be propelled by the rider using the scooter as a conventional one. At some point, it seemslikely that the government will make them legal to use on the road (not pavements) and will determine whether they need any requirements additional to those for an e-bike.
You don't need a licence the drive a mobility scooter, which is a form of electric car, but they are also limited in motor power and speed (8mph). The difference with an electric car is that it isn't limited on power or maximum speed.
Currently unenforceable since cyclists carry no identification such as a registration plate and compulsory insurance
People would stop cycling if they would need insurance
As a cyclist, i agree that there needs to be restrictions for cyclists whilst in certain urban areas. There also needs to he more cycle paths
Cyclists should adhere to the same rule of the road as a motor vehicle, they should have some sort of licence, not one that needs you to take a test but one that can gather points, that way they can be banned from cycling if they gather too many points.
Btw I'm a cyclist not a car driver.
How would that work for children? Or are kids not allowed to ride anymore?
Do you have a permit for that licence?
What about kids?
That’s ridiculous
@@samuelgarrod8327 what about them?
Sad story
Manslaughter charges?
Good!
The times i have seen cyclists almost causing accidents by riding side by side blocking traffic from passing safely and then going nuts when people take chances passing them having to drive onto the other side of oncoming traffic
I agree and same with Caravans and Trucks as well. Being so slow and forcing me on the other side of the road, chancing a blind corner or a hill so I don't have to stay behind them any longer. Such selfish drivers....cyclists.
It's perfectly legal to ride side by side. In fact, the Highway Code now encourages it. Just accept you need to drive at a slower speed until you can safely pass at 1.5m away from them.
we should have had this decades ago
Pedestrians often just walk out in front cyclists. Scares the livin' daylights out of me. Just to let you know I am not a speed merchant on a racer. My bike is 30 year old tourer. I am concious to give sufficant notice to drivers when I am changing position on the road as if I were driving. There is one cyclist , on a racer, who passes me on my route home. He keaves a few inches between my shoulder and his. If I made a slightest deviation off my straight line it would be a serious collision. He goes so fast I don't get the chance to say anything. Drives me bonkers.
Having said all that, I don't see how a cyclist could be held to a speed limit unless speedometers become obligatory.
I've always had a speedometer plus a light. I don't understand that people give out so much cash for a high-class bike, but they ignore to have these devices.
@@mikefraser4513 I have lights as they are required by law. I don't need a speedometer because it is not required and I am not concerned about my speed as I can guarantee it is well below the speed limit. In my experience it is those with high class bikes and a focus on speed who are the cause of bad name cyclists are getting.
I drive for a living, spend a lot of time in my local city centre, cyclists have their own lanes, traffic light systems, do they stick to them? No chance. They do what they want. It's absolutely ridiculous and dangerous, especially these uber eats delivery drivers.
Most of them dont even ring warning bells when riding fast behind pedestrians on walking routes. Very very dangerous.
Well, perhaps you should take the headphones out of your ears..
And try to avoid walking in the middle of the path if you are wearing headphones..
thats classes as racing that techneak
also all cyclists should have to have public liabilty insurance
Totally agree, they should NOT be practicing on public roads , spread is a killer
About time.
Why are lycra louts above the law?
because they are special.
Can tell your an aggressive driver from your comments.... muppets
@@jasongoldsworthy6149 🤣🤣🤣
How about naming and inviting those allegedly responsible for the deaths to comment?
read the video description
In both cases the victims were responsible for their own death. The old woman stepped out without looking, & the young woman walked backwards into the path of the bicycle. Accepted that jaywalking is not a crime in the UK but if she'd used the cross a few feet away, or kept walking, she'd still be alive.
two tier system is wrong
Bicycle riders who race everywhere are the worst.They are so focussed on their speed and route that anything or anyone who happens to be in their way is seen as an inconvenience to them. Running red lights,riding over pedestrian crossings when they shoudn't and weaving all over both sides of the road just so they can get to their destination quickly.
It's well overdue that they are held to account for their reckless cycling.
I can’t tell you how many people walk into the road while staring at their phones while I’m riding my bike. Ban phones while walking, crossing the road anywhere but at a designated crossing and make parents with prams should walk out backwards before the pram, thanks..
Was going to make this point myself. Lots of mobile phone zombies out there and lots of pedestrians who step into the road and then look for traffic or in some cases, don’t look at all. I just don’t understand why people value their phones more than they do their own lives.
But do you adhere to the speed limits and laws of the road as a pedestrian or as a cyclist? And not abuse both??
@@leecostello8424 Do you cycle? Do you know how knackering it is for the general cyclist to get above 15, let alone 20mph. The videos' example was one who was racing, with others. Asking someone here in the comments if they were going fast is just silly my guy.
I never exceed 20 MPH ..........as a pedestrian ! 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
@@garymoore2535 🤣🤣👍🏼
The Dutch receive traffic safety lessons from a young age and in the final year of primary school, most children can take part in a “practical traffic exam,”. Even in my pre-school days, we took a cycling proficiency test, I take it we no longer teach this in 2024, lolz. Can't do this today, kids' bikes will be nicked.
Cyclists think the law doesn’t apply to them, god knows how many dogs are (also) killed by them, they come speeding past when I’m walking my little dogs, it’s terrifying, you don’t even hear them coming, they don’t even have to wear a bell , I’ve seen many dogs that have been killing by them on social media, something needs doing about it , they seem to be very selfish people
Crock
Cyclists just get away with so much, it’s no wonder more and more people are starting to turn against them.
Good. CyclingMikey should be the first one for dangerous riding. He cycles the wrong way up the road to catch stationary drivers checking their phones because his Dad was a motorcyclist who was riding dangerously and he was gamed over by a car.
Now he's in a foreign country targeting our people for clicks and views. He should have been prosecuted after a judge found a driver not guilty of hitting him when Mikey threw himself on the driver's bonnet.
Cyclists should be required to buy and display a registration tag every year. Good money maker to invest in cycle lanes and easy money for the Tory party donors that could profit from the scheme. It would be unworkable but that's never stopped a politician before.
Everyone on the road should have to start on a bicycle and pass a proficiency test...like we did at school. Then pass a moped test before they get a car licence.
The roads would be much safer.
Culture wars of the most blatant kind. A government that makes a move on cyclists that are responsible for, on average, three deaths a year. Don’t get me wrong - I’m in favour of the equalisation of the law - but, in effect, it’s practically irrelevant compared to so many other issues that they ignore. As an example, more people are killed by cows: where’s the legislation? And, it’s estimated that 35000 people in the UK die each year due to physical inactivity. Cycling is a good - all age - cure for this.
A few bad people and everyone is to be punished Get a grip please 🙏
I'm afraid there's more of these "bad"people. Ever since the eBikes came on the market, a lot think they're in the Tour de France. I wanted to take a rare photo once. It was of a cyclist stopping at red
@@mikefraser4513no there isn't you wallop
What do you mean by punished? Surely we all agree that people who cause the death of someone should face the consequences?
@@uksilverstacker413 Yes there is you kapow. Hence why the police are rolling out new tech to stop criminals using them.
the number of "bad people" on bicycles has increased over the last few years. Anybody can get a bike and ride without any prior knowledge of the highwaycode.
The main thing is whether the pedestrian is in the road or on the pavement. end of the day if you walk out into the road without checking it's safe, you're going to get hit by something. IMO speed is irrelevant in that instance. it's negligence of the pedestrian - they did not check the road was clear. what if some idiot steps out into the road and the driver instinctually attempts to avoid them and kills somebody else? there's not enough responsibility placed on pedestrians there's always this attempt to blame the vehicle/road user instead of saying well sorry, it's a road! in the instance that someone is killed on the pavement, well... that's a clear cut case. pavements are for pedestrians only.
Or the rider could stop, how about that?
@@Nash0303 The pedestrian stepped out directly in front of the pedetrian, so there was insufficient room to stop. Three of the four riders involved were able to swerve around the pedestrian.
Speed limits adherence would be of more use to safety and liability of a dangerous driver. Let’s not make out like pedestrians just step out in front of speeding vehicles for the sake of it.
About time..
Cyclists nowadays are an absolute menace.
Especially at night.
No lights.
Dark clothing.
Headphones FFS.
Jumping red lights.
I have lights, reflectives, no headphones and stop at all red lights. Am I a menace too, or do you just want to keep on generalising? No wonder why woman choose the bear!
@@Paul95959 well done. You are definitely in the minority.
If a cyclist is the cause of somebody dying or having life changing injuries then they should be prosecuted and in the case of someone dying,jailed for involuntary manslaughter.
I empathise deeply with these men and their circumstances. However, cyclists are disproportionately more likely to be killed. CAN ANYONE NAME THEM. I am 58 and have cycled full time of 15 years (no driving). MOST cyclists are safe and are themselves more concerned about getting home safely than causing pedestrians harm. Time trialists are different from the average commuter just trying to get to work, protect the environment and save money. Pieces like this vilify individual cyclists and make the roads more dangerous for them. We have a very anti-cycling culture in the United Kingdom 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Well said.
Frankly, as a cyclist they are super exposed to being badly injured in case of collision. What might be a good idea is to require to pass a driving theory test and require 3rd party insurance, but more laws to criminalise people is another step towards a fascist state, which Britain has pretty much become (mass surveillance, CCTV everywhere, etc.)
Cycles should be able to stay on the pavements and not be allowed on the roads thay have no insurance or tax so shouldn't be on the road
It's illegal to cycle on a pavement and with good reason as the risk to pedestrians, particularly children and the elderly is high. There are currently many cars on the road that aren't required to pay VED tax. Raods are in any case paid for through general taxation not through VED receipts. There may be an arguement for third party cycle insurance. Many cyclists do have either specific cycle insurance through membership of Cycling UK or throughtheir household insurance personal liability clause.
Absolutely No to cyclists on pavements. I've personally experienced a cyclist coming around a corner at me on the pavement and powering straight into my body - no advance warning bell. No apology. No, not on.
Grow up.
How do you define dangerous cycling? Cars have speedometers
Accidents happen, you can't have a law for every possible scenario. This is silly.
If it prevents innocent people from dying, it is not silly.
No-one is above the law, the cyclists were speeding and killed someone, how is that silly
@@milward78 bicycles aren't required by law to have speedometers so how would a cyclist know what speed they were doing at any given time? saying "guess" isn't good enough. it requires accurate, factual information. and tbh i doubt this "29mph in a 20" is even accurate unless they had a calibrated speed monitoring device measuring his speed at the exact moment, which would be very convenient.
@@Jake-yy9fg yeah and that is the problem why were people on pentaton bikes doing in a public space they were timing them self, again they shouldn't be above the law and I'm sure you would feel different if it happened to you or to someone you know
@@hannahrandall-lewis7201 people die from bizarre accidents every day. People bump into each other and when one falls down and hits their head on the ground they sometimes die. What next, a 2mph speed limit for walking? Every year dozens drown swimming, ban swimming?
I had a quick look at the stats, and 3 pedestrians are killed by cyclists per year on average, Vs 385 killed by cars, which are covered by loads of laws, it's not stopped it though, has it?
In both of these cases, the victims were at fault & there was nothing the cyclists could have done. Witnesses recorded that the old woman stepped out into the road without looking.
Leave cyclists alone, car drivers in the UK have oftentimes zero idea on how to drive next to a cycler… Cycling is the most eco-friendly and local mean of transportation, just let us exist.
This has nothing to do with cars passing cyclists, it's about cyclists riding recklessly and taking the lives of innocent pedestrians.
@@Old_Man_Pete well, there are already rules that everyone shall obey while on the road, it’s due to the selfishness of certain people and lack of their sense of social responsibility - issue lies in education and lack of information campaigns on the matter of social responsibility on the road