The last part with her husband saying that he felt honored to be the man she fell in love with and got to give her the experience of feeling loved had me crying holy shit 😭😭😭🥺
That’s the part that’s wild to me. Cause if she hadn’t tried to point the finger at the cafe, and motivate them to preserve that coffee. She might have actually gotten away with this
They had the intuition to save it, but not the intuition to not taste it even after seeing and smelling that something was wrong with it, the fact that multiple people tasted it after actually shocked me, I was stunned
It doesn’t often happen, those people were probably religious so that’s why. Also a nice example that praying to god doesn’t really work even how hard you’re praying, and that god won’t spear anyone’s life even if they’re a god person
@@Uchiha.Itachii lol well I’m not sure I agree with your synopsis but no prayer is not going to help on one of the most deadly and fast-acting natural poisons in the world
Had Jessica not drawn attention to the coffee by accusing the cafe staff probably no one would have suspected a crime. Mirnas dearh might have been written off as a seizure, but luckily Jessica just exposed herself
All the drinks already ordered by Jessica, she was the one who arrived there before the other girls. I think there was a report, that Jessica put the poison when the girls didn’t noticed and Myrna said the coffee smelled weird.
There is a saying that "while the index finger points on other people, the other 4 fingers are pointing at you" Meaning : when you accuse someone else for something they didn't do, you are actually pointing at yourself and refuse the blame...
She asked about what they put in the coffee, cz before the collapsed, Mirna said abt the coffee tasted awful and she started having a stroke, of course logically people would think what It was inside the coffee? It was the only thing that triggered all that to happened
The thing with cyanide is that it interferes with cellular respiration in mitochondria. With a high dose, all tissues stop getting oxygen. My biochemistry professor in college said that cyanide poisoning is a very painful way to die. To think that a "friend" would do that, is horrible. I hope Mirna rests un peace.
Also, you can't just go into a shop and buy it. In the US and Europe you have PROVE that you have a valid scientific reason to order a small quantity. Everything is documented carefully. I imagine that you could order it on the dark Web, but I don't think that even that would be easy
I had no idea how it actually worked, it's so scary hearing what it actually does to the body. I still can't believe she did that to someone and had zero emotions behind it (other than anger and hatred obviously)
I took a chemistry class focused on poisons in college. My professor made it very clear that death by cyanide is nothing like they depict in media-that it’s fairly quick, but incredibly painful. Praying that Mirna didn’t suffer long
@@sandifeola9385That's the same way with choking I remember I started choking when a lollipop was eating broke off the stick and got stuck in my throat it really hurt and I couldn't breathe properly or even make a noise so one noticed and could even hear me even for like 3 minutes? I was surprised that I was even still standing tbh) I guess to them I looked like I was just looking around but luckily this random guy was walking by from the front of the stall saw the way I was moving and performed the hiemlich maneuver and saved my life
The fact that she only got 20 years is absurd, she took someone's life out of jelaousy and doesn't show any drop of remorse in the videos and pictures, I can't imagine how devastated her family and husband must be
Probably because someone that cares for merna if they don't control theirselves might try to get revenge in their own hands. Some of us know how to control ourselves some of us think to take revenge in our own hands
@@dragosanders4234 How does that justify her light sentence? It's a shame she never successfully killed herself, as she would have saved other people so much grief. Some people don't deserve pity.
@erickkisreal9398 Again if they know the murderer is out there some people might be consumed with grief where they might take revenge in their own hands
I am from Indonesia and am glad you are covering this case. This case is like the OJ Simpson trial of Indonesia. Everyone was watching and waiting for the verdict. Due to the wealth of both families, such a trial is uncommon. You have to pay a lot of money to get justice in Indonesia. I watched all the trials and news when I was in high school. Stephanie, thank you so much for all your hard work!
Both family basically using their money and power for media play to defend their daughters, each also hiring most famous Indonesian lawyers who also well known as archenemies irl, the cafe also were owned by Indonesian actress who won Citra (basically Indonesian's Oscar Academy Award) as best actress, the cafe also known as the place where Indonesian A list celebrities hangout at the time. Not to mention that this case was handle by two raising star police investigators in Indonesian police institution. One of them was in UN as Indonesia's representative, the other now is fired and facing death penalty because of murder (killing another police officer) and related to gangster and mafia. My mind was blown away when I heard that this is one of the case that was handled by Ferdy Sambo. Stephanie, you probably want to check Ferdy Sambo's case. It's well known as 'cop killing cop' case in Indonesia.
They say only money wins court cases in this country…well what if both of them are as rich? Maybe they will learn how to do a proper court case for once?
‼️ ‼️ UPDATE on the case : as of 18 Aug 2024, Jess is now released from prison, on parole. After serving 8 years in jail. She's being seen fit to be back to society, because she showed good behaviour during her jail time. Her lawyer succeeded in pointing out there were so many oddities in the investigation. There were not enough sufficient evidences to prove Mirna's demise was from poisoning, or even if it is, there were no solid proof it was Jess' doing. The Indonesians are basically divided. Many still think Jess is definitely guilty, and doesn't deserved to be released. But on the other hand, many also believe Jess is innocent; and she was like sacrificed for the sake of the top brass job promotion.
In case the international crowd doesnt know, police in Indonesia is totally different from the western world. You have to pay the police to investigate the crime even if you are the victim. Police will not entertain you if you dont pay them and police will threaten the victim for payment. This can be easily argued as conflict of interest in the investigating party. Police work for money not for justice. The key evidence of this case is the coffee. In the US, it is easily arguable that the key evidence is mishandled (multiple people touching the coffee after the incident) and yet this is not considered by the judge (NOT jury). Lastly, in Indonesia, they dont adhere to the innocent until proven guilty or guilty only if proven without a doubt. Therefore, all my above points cause a division in public opinion. Dont believe everything you hear from the Indonesian police...
This should be pinned. Since I’m at the beginning of the video, I didn’t read everything you wrote in order not to give it away from myself probably, but I think updates should always be pinned.
@@WynnDall wow! Thank you for that information. That sounds pretty awful, and I’m sure a lot of laws are broken due to this corrupt system. Obviously Jessica (or her family) had money, so she probably bought her way out of prison. I wonder if the victim‘s Family didn’t pay enough for the cops to investigate whether or not Jessica definitely put that cyanide in there or not. I think she totally did it from what I’ve read, anyway. Eight years is definitely not enough time. I think she will reoffend because she really did not get too many consequences for her horrifying actions. Even driving through the nursing home was absolute insanity.
What really had me tearing up was when it was brought up how Mirna and her husband were both planning to continue on with their lives and start a family of their own, they wanted to have a child :( and now they were robbed of that, I hope that her husband is doing alright and my heart goes out to all of Mirna’s family and those who truly cared about her
It was so heartbreaking hearing the husband talk about Mirna. Just so much love just to be ripped away by a heartless monster. I can't imagine what it was like for him.
Yeah and I think Jessie was jealous of mirna it’s just she wanted the things money can’t buy and she wanted so focused to be like her that she wished she were dead. Like the conan gray song “heather” the person hated how every love this girl and how the every guy was paying attention to her so she said she wished she were dead.
@kathymartinez8236 I think the song Heather and this case are completely different. Heather has a storyline in which a girl likes a guy but the guy likes another girl and the girl starts starts thinking that why does he like her and why not me.
@@kathymartinez8236you make me want to rewatch conan and i wasnt really watching all episodes that time coz i was a lil kid and didnt know about it being a series like tom and jerry
But her husband was stubborn for sending his wife to the hospital himself, mirna could be saved if ambulance take her to the hospital because there is oxygen in ambulance, instead her husband took her to hospital by his car.
Some clarifications: 1. The one who suggested the Olivier cafe was Mirna 2. Jessica bought three soaps because Vera (the 4th girl) was expected to come, but she didn't. Jessica bought the soaps for her three friends.
@@hollystiener16 : no evidence that this actually happened. here's an advice from an indonesian: don't trust the official story from the police. The indonesian police is corrupt beyond corrupt.
I’ve passed by her twin a few times at the mall (we live in the same neighborhood/community), and it kinda caught me off guard a few times since you know, her identical sister with the same face had been reported dead. My second thought was, wow, the fact that she and her family will forever be reminded of Mirna’s tragic passing just by looking at her face is heartbreaking.
You mean Sandy, right? Yes, she has same physical appearance with her twin. But different personality. Her died twin known to be stubborn, emotional, has angry issues like her dad. Also actively against her dad's attitude whose being playboy and love hanging out with other girls meanwhile he had a wife (twin's mom) at that time
@@user273hyOW39PGsZfwow way to talk bad of the dead. I know it may be different in Indonesia, but that comment is unnecessary and cruel. Who raised you 🤦
@@lifeasrini I just described her as her father was describing about his daughter in front of media just in case people outside Indonesia didnt know. But yeah, her father already talked about his daughter a few times like that. Her father also mentioned that Mirna's personality very similar to his personality. Not my intensions to talk bad about her. I know we shouldn't normalize about it. But in Indonesia, when someone whose popular died or someone (not particularly celebs or actors) being on News for some cases such as criminal cases, the reporters and media try to look up how the person he/she is by asking to their relatives, like doing interviews to their family, their friends, their boy/girlfriend, their neighbours, their school's lecturer, etc. It's very common.
@richhornie7000 not inviting her was the correct choice. I'll state the obvious by saying that it's not her fault that this happened to her. Now, if you want to put it into "correct/incorrect" categories, the incorrect choice was ever meeting up with her again because she knew something was off. That's the point of my original comment. She should have stuck with her gut instinct and kept her out of her life forever.
@richhornie7000 also, I'm going to assume you're a man because of your name. Sorry if I'm wrong. But assuming you're a man, you don't know how long a woman can hold a grunge against another woman. If it wouldn't have been the wedding invite, it would have been some other perceived slight & she would have hurt her "friend" anyway. The woman clearly hated her for whatever reason she made up in her own head.
Ok Stephanie we’re going to need an update on this after that Netflix special because it seems like the dad bought everyone! Not saying she didn’t do it but that trial was ridiculous. She wasn’t even allowed to be interviewed when terrorist were. That dad was SUS AF!
When I listened to this on Spotify, I was so heartbroken for her and her family. The fact that her “so called friend” got away with it and didn’t get a longer sentence is unsettling. Can’t imagine how her family is feeling. You can’t trust humanity Edit: Jealousy is an incurable disease. She was jealous of what she couldn’t have and took a life as a result of it. Sickening !!
No many people are jealous in one time or another of their friends in their life but they don’t kill or even hurt their friends. But jealousy combined with mental illness yes that person can kill the person they are jealous of.
In Islamic countries if you are single friend and see your married friend’s baby the first time and say she/he is beautiful baby or look healthy they right away put a something to protect the baby from her (just as soon as she leaves), thinking she is jealous and put an evil eye, that complements from a single girlfriend would be the opposite and the baby will be sick, or even may die if not protected.
Steph, you probably want to cover another Indonesian big case that got international media attention (so it has English documentation in internet), 'The missing litte girl: Angeline' in Bali, 2015. I suddenly remember it because the two famous Indonesian lawyers who handled this case also handled Angeline's case. Angeline, 8 yro, was missing and her foster mother and sister raised a Go Fund Me to search the little girl. The little girl deceased body then was found in her foster mother's backyard by the police. Angeline, a Balinese 8 yro girl was inherit a lot of money from her late foster dad, a foreign man who married an Indonesian women (Angeline's foster mom). Poor little girl was abused badly then dead because she inheriting huge amount of money the she didn't even know she had it.
Oh god that poor baby, how horrific is that to harm a child for any reason but to take a life for something as superficial as *money…* it makes me so angry!!! Rest easy sweet girl, Angeline, I pray you’re in a better place full of flowers and sunshine ❤
I remember when this case went viral a few years ago. The fact that both step sisters and mother killed her and go out in public with no shame, made my blood boils.
There's so many interesting case in Indonesia that worth to cover but i'm pretty sure the research won't be easy since indo police tend to covers thing up not published the details of cases that they solved.
After watching the Netflix documentary, that was the first time for me to know after knowing this case from different crime story that Mirna’s body only contained .2mg cyanide 3 days after death and 0mg, 70 mins after death. The family never allowed full autopsy that would really pinpoint the cause of death.
Do you believe documentaries that chase money from broadcasts more than testimonies and CCTV that are shown in court? Here's article from Republika: The Head of the Chemistry and Biology Division of the Indonesian National Police's Criminal Investigation Agency's Laboratory and Information Center said that the reaction to cyanide in humans is that they feel itchy and hot if they come into contact with the skin. "The only thing that can remove it is acid and base. It could also be due to hot temperatures," said Samran when giving testimony in Kartika Room I, Central Jakarta District Court, Wednesday. He said that the chemical reaction that occurs when cyanide is exposed to heat is that the HCN particles contained in it will be released in gas form or evaporate. Meanwhile, in the human body, the HCN content is easily released when it enters the stomach because of the presence of hydrochloric acid.
your trusting a entertainment company? And this is why in the depp v heard trial people blamed the victim. Obviously they wont find cyanide when they look in the fucking liver, use critical thinking, stop trusting netflix as an actual source, and realise it takes 6-8 hours for anything to pass your stomach and small intestine. I think none of you learnt critical thinking in school and are trying to make a victim out of someone that wasnt ever a victim, J had a restraining order by her ex boyfriend shes more than capable of murder
the way merna's husbands spoke about her at the end choked me up. he truly loves her, so much, and the fact that someone being jealous took her away from him is heartbreaking.
I've learned that jealousy is often a reason for the absolute worst in people. My friend who called me her best friend (I didn't feel the same yet but she was close enough to be at my wedding), said she could see us growing old and drinking tea on a porch someday together talked badly about me during my wedding very loudly during the reception and whispering during the ceremony. Sad what jealousy can bring out in people.
I'm Christina from guernsey I had a friend in school who would copy me and want to be me down to a t we stopped talking then started ger invited to avent at her house and they jelousy youcouls cut it with a knife she stopped texting then last week out of blue sheet Mr inviting me to her anvesery dinner I'm in 2 minds weather to go coz I'm blonde and skinny she always has to try and be better oike it compati8n when I don't need to act she's mad so this case omg reminds me of situation I'm in right now we are in 2023 getting worse
@@victorwhite7822 if you second guess going, don't go. Spend time on people who mutually love, respects and cares for you as you do them. Be polite if you her down. The worse part about jealousy is it often makes you want to stoop to the level they all eventually come to, be better unless she tries to do something to you. My situation really put an end to me giving people the benefit of doubt and not listening to my gut instincts. Never wasting time on someone with red flags again!
This case is weird AF. She acted very sus but all facts are in her favor. Doctor said a corpse who died from cyanide should have had a cherry-colored face, but instead the corpse's face was blue. But days later the authorities received a photo the of the corpse with a cherry-colored face. The reports said Mirna was autopsied, but doctor said they've never done that, they just took samples from the corpse and didn't find anything that indicates she was poisoned by a cyanide. And the expert said if the coffee indeed have that many amounts of cyanide then the people around that coffee should've gone unconcious. They can't counter the statements from the australian doctor so they find a way to deport the doctor back to australia and they got them deported. While Jessica was in jail she was interviewed and said something that got the interviews stopped by a police officer, and after that she can never have an interviews ever again. WTF was that? even a terrorist in that prison can still have an interviews.
Not to forget: the restaurant owner was never summoned to trial, despite it being their CCTV footage being presented at court. In fact, there was almost intentional effort to make people forget about the restaurant owners. Jessica's maid was also never summoned to trial, despite being the only witness to the 'thrown away pants' The court room was always full of people livid with 'cries for justice for mirna', turns out those people were actually Mirna's dad's employees, ordered to do so by him. And as thanks for their assist? Mirna's dad didn't pay their salaries, and eventually fired them without severance pay, and their attempts to sue got blocked by Police, who blatantly say 'it's useless to sue, Mirna's dad is friends with Indonesian Police Head Chief." Way way too many more points that make this case and the verdict utterly suspect. you know... those who actually believe Jessica is guilty... they should try dealing with Indonesian Police firsthand. See how things really are. Consider yourself warned.
@@gendoruwo6322the firing happened in 2018 though, alathough the company stopped paying salaries months before that, the case happened in 2016. When I first read ur comment I thought they were fired more or less immediately.
Jealousy is such an ugly feeling. I used to have a friend who always compared herself to me. She slept with a guy I was seeing and got with my ex a week after we split. When I asked why, she said it was the only way to get on up on me after I was always 'better' in every other regard (not my words, I thought she was smart and pretty in her own right). That was the end of the friendship and it fucked me up good for a long time to be betrayed like this. I would absolutely think she'd retaliate if we were in a similar constellation to Mirna and Jessica. It's sad you've gotta be this careful about who your friends are.
This happened to me too...and I'm still healing from it today. I don't have that many friends anymore and I only trust a few... but my "best friend" brought me to a very public cafe, friend dumped, told me how I was such a negative terrible person (I had just gotten out of the hospital a week prior for a suicide attempt), how she didn't want me in her life, etc... but oh my ex, he's so positive that's the type of person she wants in her life. And she also told me she kissed him at a party we both attended, and she slept over at my house that very same night. My ex had also kissed me at this party and I was feeling delusional and hopeful, and so I tell her this in the morning and she goes, you didn't kiss him, that's false... And I said how would you know, you weren't there. She then proceeded to TEXT my ex to clarify the situation...she said oh he didn't mean it, he doesn't want you to get the wrong idea...So when she confronted me at the cafe, she said like oh remember that party, and how I didn't believe you? Oh well that's because he kissed me too. She did this knowing I had still had feelings for him and after being my friend for 6 years.` I was so upset in the moment all I could think about was throwing my hot beverage at her, but I didn't. I got up and walked out, she ran behind me saying it wasn't her fault, that he kissed her etc. And I just said you should have never put yourself in that position. And so I learned that sometimes in friendships you can become blind to the person's true intention. If you idealize and idolize your friend, you hold them up on a pedestal, so you think there's no way this person would ever betray me? You think so highly of them that them doing something wrong is unfathomable. I loved this girl more than anything and I called her my soul sister... Reflecting back on our friendship I realized how toxic and bitter she had always been, how this was repeat behavior, she had done this to her old friends, her unresolved daddy issues, her constant need to be the center of attention, the way she would talk about her friends/people behind their backs... It was so clearly there the whole time I just couldn't see it.
People like that are not normal. They have strong antisocial traits. Maybe even diagnosable with Antisocial Personality Disorder. A normal person would NEVER hurt a friend like that. Or anyone.
Well might be similar to your case too but I also had a friend who acted to close to me when she wasn't actually "Happy" or "Close" when she's alone with me. I was being left behind every single time she hangs out with other people knowing that she was my "only" friend. Regardless i was able to find different set of people but her thing to use other people as much as she wants (to get me to do her projects and write all the things for her) wasn't easy to prevent... There was also one time where she was also tryna compete with me instead of supporting me completely. People who would compare themselves to you aren't gonna be the one who'll support you and make you grow, they're gonna tear you down every single time they can. People who always use you to get things they wanted to get, act closely to you whenever they need something aren't real friends. It's really hard to find real people and I would admit, it's getting pretty lonely not being able to feel that someone is not plastic towards you. All I can say is that at the beginning its painful to get rid of them but when you start healing and realizing what the fork happened... You are gonna be free from all the pain and you'll think to yourself... "I'm so stupid for valuing the wrong person and I won't be caught up by them again" again its better to be lonely that to live with someone who makes you feel alone
there's a reason why she only got 20 years, because they COULDN'T really prove that it's her that put the cynide in the coffee. not to mention they did eff up the investigation by not securing the cafe as soon as the crime happened that anyone can go around in that cafe, they didn't even preserve the straw mirna used. i don't say that jessica is guilty/not guilty, but it's just that this case is so tricky, thus the 20 years sentence.
Agreee. There is another pov of this story. Many believed that the whole investigation process and collecting evidence were not done properly. Thats why this case is tricky.
In my country someone is either found guilty or not guilty. The length of the sentence should depend on other circumstances such as what was the motive and if the mind of the preperator was clear at that moment. If you have fever and you spontanously kill someone because he has threatend you this will give a shorter sentence than if you plan something in advance and for a more heinous motive. Murder by exotic poison is murder in cold blood and envy is some of the worst possible motives. Combined this two facts should rather command the highest possible range of punishment.
@@CeurComplex I actually red a case about a teen who murdered his friend and got to prison only to be proven innocent 10 years later. Imagine if he got a death penalty. So even if you are found guilty they still have to account the amount of evidence in deciding the punishment, premeditated murder actually have death penalty as a maximum punishment. This is a premeditated murder and they just cant give her life sentence because of the lack of evidence. You could argue that the evidence is plenty/enough, but they just don't have a solid evidence of her putting the the poison in the coffee, like eye witnesses or CCTV footage or her actually putting it in the drink.
I got major chills when you said Jessica visited the master bedroom. The only time you go in there as someone not living in the house is if it is during the tour of a recently bought house, or if you are specifically invited in and told to go there. To be there for any other reason is a huge red flag
I agree completely. My high-school boyfriend, however, would steal weed out of the stash hidden in his father’s dresser; there’s one reason to sneak into an adult’s bedroom. It’s a *bad* reason… but it’s still a reason.
@@TheOriginalScribbleStudios This is a lot and difficult to explain, the point is that there is no evidence or facts about Jessica entering Mirna and her husband's main room
For those who said that Netflix is siding too much with Jess, i honestly don't think so. The Netflix one was just like loads of new information and the purpose is to show how bad Ind*nesian justice systems are. I mean, I knew about almost all informations mentioned in this video (from TV and internet at that time), so I didn't surprised at all while watching this. But then, when I was watching the Netflix show few days ago, I found several new informations that I didn't know before, which left me baffled and confused. I don't know which side to trust now, but the only point I definitely agree with is that the trial system was a total mess.
What happened in 2016 was exactly as portrayed in the Netflix documentary; it wasn't manipulated by Netflix. I followed the entire trial on TV with my mother.
Yeaaahh i agree with this. It's not like I dont sympathize for Mirna's dead. But, really... it's sus even from Mirna's dad, the prosecutors too, the polices, the bartenders, the waitress, the cafe managers. The only one person I trust at least did the jobs professionally is Jessica's lawyer. He's very logic, witty, and honest (at least more honest than the others)
She would have benefit of the doubt I guess If a jury is used. That’s is without the media influence. Also her offence in Australia is more about self harm, and self destruction. Anyway hope she can have a fair retrial
It has always been public knowledge that she was sentenced to 20 years without any evidence, it was never a secret. They just chose to ignore it for years.
@@CA-vy8et I’m very aware it’s not just a current issue and never claimed it’s only something of recent times. My use of “these days” was more just implying that it is unfortunate that it is still something that people have to watch out for presently and likely in the future as well.
27:01 Hearing about how their dad doted on all his daughters really touched me. Sandy losing her twin must hurt so bad. 33:26 The prayers at the café were so moving. 35:49 I really respect Debbie for being so vigilant. Rest in peace Mirna. 🕊️
One thing my parents always told me is never accept a drink that isn't closed or served in front of your eyes, and also, when u serve someone, serve it where they can see u
It's just so sad because of course you'll be on guard if it's a drink at a club or something...but your friend buying you a coffee in the middle of the afternoon at a crowded cafe?
@@EmeraldAshesAudiolet’s be honest, Jessica was at best a frenemy. It would have been one hell of a poker read if mirna said “you know, I’m just not feeling like drinking this today.” And stared into Jessica’s soul after that. If only.
truly a heartbreaking case, Jessica seemed to be such a toxic person in general, I truly dislike people who make themselves out as victims in every situation. She claimed Patrick was the toxic one, when she literally was the one who threatened him with her life if he tried to break things off with her and than claimed she was having “all these bad things “ happening to her when someone literally died due to her jealousy, such a horrible person I have 0 sympathy for her at all.
i don't care what anyone else says i think this is probably the only respectful true crime channel i've seen, the way stephanie talks about the victims of these horrible crimes shows genuine empathy and reverence. it's also great to work with local people when investigating, it makes such a difference! i just found this channel recently but i'm learning a lot so thank you
If you’re looking for another true crime RUclipsr Kendall Rae is also great! She often works with victims of the family and donates the revenue from her videos or other merch to either the families or an organization that helps combat human trafficking.
I was wondering why there were so many "Stephanie is part of the problem!" videos. Stephanie is the only one I've seen that talks about victims outside of them being victims like "He held the record for most rolled cars in the family" so he's not just a guy who got murdered, he's a person and this is who he was before this terrible thing happened to him.
@@katrinascarlet5637 i tear up watching almost every video, stephanie really humanizes the victims and puts way more emphasis on their previous lives and loved ones. compared to the youtubers who romanticize or joke about the attackers most of the time
@@katrinascarlet5637 that would be because she do mukbang videos while telling true crime stories and makes sexual jokes with her fiance and joke around with her friends while telling stories. that is why everyone is calling her a part of problem because even though she 'fakes' her tears and quivery voice while narrating stories now, she once used to be so insensitive. she was once telling the story about a minor being abducted or something while eating and joking about her sexy her husbands arm muscles were. it was so bad to the point a victims family had to beg her to take down the videos for years (?) which led to her taking down many videos because that was how huge the backlash was
Only Stephanie can be in the process of getting married yet continue to post almost EVERYDAY! Thank you so much Steph and congratulations on your wedding ❤
hey steph, if you didn't know netflix just released a docu-series about this case. it turns out that none of the evidence are solid evidence, and that jessica only MIGHT have been the killer. now that i've seen the docu-series, i feel that everything that happened on trial was made to frame jessica. i would love to hear about your opinions about it and maybe do an update about the case too!
That Netflix documentary was just trying to make Jessica look innocent. Why would she be smiling after she lost her dear friend which she hadn't seen in a while.
@nomfumdovilakazi4300 i'm not saying she's innocent, but it certainly was suspicious. the docu-series definitely put in a new perspective and i think that something bigger might be behind this case. it doesn't make sense that mirna's family refused autopsy when they suspected that mirna ingested cyanide, not to mention that the forensics never found traces of the cyanide within the first 70 minutes of her death and then 3 days later they suddenly found a small amount of it? with the amount they originally stated in the coffee, it should've made jessica pass out just by the smell of it and possibly kill the other friend too bc she tasted the coffee a bit.
yep, and another wierd thing is that mirna's dad was once interviewed and he blatantly admitted he had the tube of cynaide, but when the interview repeated his answer and questioned it, he made up excuses
@@be_mysunrise I understand what you are saying. She must be one unlucky person because that circumstantial evidence against her is a lot and too much of a coincidence. I'd still convict her even after that Netflix documentary. The narrative they tried to bring that the ugly are always vilified while the one's considered pretty need to be saved is the very same reason Jess killed her friend. Jealousy, insecurities and society projecting.
I feel like she's actually feeling better now that she's on trial because before she got dumped and her friends moved away and nobody paid attention to her but now she's getting interviewed and everybody knows who she is so she's probably ecstatic over this.
damn i never thought of it this way.. she really was somehow 'enjoying' the investigation. i remember thinking, "why are you all smiling this is your trial" but never thought the answer would be because she enjoyed the fact that she was now the center of the attention
@@twelvexx8586 some attention in the wrong way already makes them feel popular yet bad aswell.... for negative thing she had made, it's hard for us however to ignore her... that's what she think it's "good" for her own self...
This was a story covered by Stephanie before when she was still doing mukbangs and telling true crime stories at the same time. But this version is more detailed now. Thank you stephanie!
20 years is just too ridiculous. The death penalty would’ve been pointless, since she attempted to off herself many times in the past. Life in prison would’ve been perfect for Jessica, and it would have suited her well. On another note- I love Stephanie’s crime stories. She has a knack at revealing these horrendous realities that happen throughout the world without leaving us traumatized and plagued by countless nightmares. I personally can better digest (and learn from) these true-life horrors when they come from her. A truly gifted storyteller.
The thing is with giving the death penalty to people like Jessica- is that they won't learn their lesson. Jessica should have gotten life in prison without parole and when she died- Mirna's parents, sister, and husband should stomp on Jessica's ashes. That's what I think she deserved, but she only got a slap on the wrist, 20 years my @ss.
Saw a comment say that the reason she only got 20yrs is because there was no concrete evidence pointing to Jessica since she did not confess or even find her in contact of the cyanide..all the prosecutors had were public opinions and a record of her mental issues, but still she should have gotten like 100yrs or something!!
As Indonesian myself, as much as I know, 20 years is maximum. After that is death penalty. The problem is that the physical evidences are circumstancial. So, that's why it's not death penalty.
Wow I was wondering what it was about her story telling that I was so intrigued by and I’ve watched many crime stories for the last 25 years that always scared and Stephanie’s stories never leave me scared but still so interesting to listen to. This is exactly it:
hi stephanie and viewers alike! i returned to this vid after i watched the netflix documentary. i’m an indonesian who followed this case in real time as i was laying weak hospitalized, so i could recall some of the abnormalities. the netflix documentary “Ice Cold” is about this case. while over the years people have been telling stories from mirna’s family’s side, we indonesians never really got to know what it was like from the “other” sides. there are not only satirical scenes (like highlighting how public sees this as entertainment, even having a crush on a prosecutor), it also had some “hints” in the documentary, very very slyly put in the show. some experts (even professors in my uni) used to say “it’s weird how this is so big. there must be… there must be someone.” they kept hinting at people working in the shadows for a motive greater than what we can comprehend. some indonesians already figured out the “hints”, the authority who handled this case, and now it’s even more devastating because it’s not as black and white as previously. the main key here is the prosecutors saying “if J is innocent, then it’s over for our image.” and the last line saying Indonesia needs to have justice system reformation, because anybody can be sitting on the hot seat for something as confusing as this. without decreasing my respect for the deceased (i know she was a bright person with bright future), i truly think the court needs to bring this case up to light again. it was a shame that the husband and hanie weren’t interviewed though, nor did we get an info on how J behaved with fellow prisoners. For the former, i think they just simply weren’t ready to talk about this case again, esp when it’s been almost a decade ever since then. I hope whoever got hurt by this case would heal.
I watched the documentary yesterday on Netflix. OK. I don't want to involve in her judgement. But kind of feels like she had been treated unfairly. Wondering why she can't be interviewed
@@lilahalila8743 me too and i think the highlight of the documentary wasn’t whether it was leaning to the victim’s or J’s side, but it provided insights that were brushed aside and also led to the conclusion that regardless J killed her or not, the trials were unfair
@@myradake yes. And I think that is what the producer try to achieve. To get bigger picture of this case. I am fan of true crime documentaries. And every documentary produced includes both victim and perpetrators side of story. Like what u had written, there always 2 sides of the stories. It doesn't mean showing support. She already serving her time. Sorry if my English is bad..
Hi an Australian here 👋🏼 I just wanted to say that it is very common and culturally acceptable/kinda expected to say “I love you” to really close friends. We are a very expressive country so I don’t doubt that they may have adopted this on their time abroad. Also there is a popular saying that goes “I’m so happy I could kiss you”, don’t know if that is what was meant, but it’s definitely something I’ve heard alot growing up around friends/family
I was looking to see if someone from Australia explained this! I’m American and I also interpreted it as most likely “I’m so happy I could kiss you” usually there’s an eek or ahh before and written definitely makes it look a little weird. Depending on where you’re from in the US saying “love you” is also common, usually when saying goodbye though. I don’t usually hear the “I” added unless it’s a loved one, but “love you” is thrown around all the time platonically. It definitely seems to not only be a cultural thing, but linguistically it doesn’t exactly translate. Especially not when inflection of a language is interpreted differently. Do you find that “curse” words are sometimes used almost friendly? Since some of the Australian expressions are interpreted similarly, I’m curious! It definitely also depends on who you’re talking to haha I wouldn’t say “love you bitch/asshole” to my parents, but would to my siblings or close friends and occasionally when my dog is a dickhead, I playfully say it haha.
Even though you've already covered this case, it's nice to hear a deep dive of it. My heart still goes out to Mirna's family and loved ones. And I hope Jessica is having a hard time in prison because I'm sure she doesn't feel sorry for what she did. 20 years is not enough.
She needs life out of jealousy She had her life taken by her 4 year relationship "friend" this is so sad she had her whole life ahead of her kids if she was still alive Jessica is so savage for planing this she is the definition of the devil 😭😓😮😡
It's crazy cause there are a million girls for the murderer to be jealous of. She didn't even know mirna up until that point in her life. It was mirnas unfortunate fate for her to be in her murderers life
@@beckyboo6166 Yes, OMG! I was having deja vu and felt so crazy because I thought I have heard about this story before and even told by Stephanie. I don't remember the mukbang, so you knwo which video it was?
recently started listening to this podcast and its amazing especially on how stephanie humanizes the victims unlike some sources who just glaze over who they were but she goes deep into their life and personality its amazing. keep it going stephanie and hope your wedding is amazing
Yes!! She’s one of my absolute favorite crime tellers, bc she goes into such good detail not just ab the murder but ab the victim(s), and murderer too. And she’s not ‘nice’ when detailing ab the murderers either like some ppl try to give somewhat excuses like oh bad childhood, abused whatever . like idc TONS of ppl go thru trauma and don’t do what these people do . tons of ppl have mental health issues and don’t do what these ppl do .
@@jassmerrill6785that's would be fine if the accused can be proven to be guilty beyond any reasonable doubt, which is not the case here as to this day we have no way of knowing the victim's actual cause of death since the family refused autopsy
She does a sloppy job with the research though. Like how she claimed the insurance was not claimed by anyone for example. How she glossed over the fact that there's no evidence that the death is caused by cyanide poisoning.
@@richhornie7000 i dont think she's the one doing the research since she has different people depending on where the case is from so it could have been lost in translation
I'm 18 minutes into the video, and their friendship sounds exactly like my relationship with my former best friend. The similarities are actually kind of scary. And, I have to admit, I was the Jessica in the situation. It's just hard when you're close for a long time (we were friends from HS, then went to college together, and remained friends for years after that), and then one person is engaged and doing well and the other is struggling. We were best friends, inseparable, for at least a decade, and I wasn't invited to her wedding. I mean, that's a big deal. Once she started dating the man that is now her husband, she kind of tossed me aside. I had my struggles and I think my life was too "messy" for her to deal with. On the rare occasion when she could make time for me, she was always with him. Literally...Every single time. Eventually, I realized that the friendship was over. But it's just like you said, we thought we'd be besties forever and raise our kids together, and then our life paths just went in different directions. Sometimes that happens and it sucks but you have to learn to move on. And you should know that it's a pretty common thing. I'm thinking how creepy it is that our stories are similar, but there are probably other people who have been through the same thing. Friends grow apart, and you both may end up very hurt and angry, but you don't kill each other! My God! We haven't spoken in years and I'm still hurt by the situation, but I wish her nothing but the best. At one point we did meet up for coffee to try to work things out, but no poison was involved. We ended up getting into an argument and said some mean things to each other, but at no point did I think, "I'm going to murder her." We just stopped speaking. I can't even imagine what was going through Jessica's mind. Talk about unhinged. 😳
I went to University in Australia and 2 of my besties were wealthy Indonesian students, so I’m familiar with the dynamics. I think the fact that they were away from home might have played a role. It’s a common occurrence for friends or couples to become extremely attached bc students have no family around, myself included. I can see how that friendship turned into an over-involved and toxic one, specially considering Jessica was more introverted, she probably didn’t have many friends.
Yeah same story with mine as if I am not good enough to be that couple's friend. But, i dont care 😂 I moved on with my own path. I'm a person who is independent and easily cut people off when they started to treat me less but for the ppl who treat me right; I will do even more.
I had the same relationship with my HS best friend, I had a huge crush on her too, which was probably more of a teenage admiration turned into obsession..it's so crazy to hear this story since my name is Jessica too, and I understood how she must have felt, driving into a nursing home while drunk, attempting suicide and self harm, Stephanie says she doesn't get it, but I do. I understand it very well. I never did any of those things, but I understand the desire to do things like that out of sheer frustration of things out of your control. I had to stay in the same room with my best friend while she and her boyfriend made out on the bed next to me. I should be thankful I never felt the murderous intent, I just wanted her to be happy since I've all but given up on any sort of romantic relationship with her. I know Jessica is like the most common feminine name in English, but still..it was weird to listen to this one
I’ve had some falling out with friends, but I’ve never once ever thought about hurting them , or killing them . Especially just because they had a healthy relationship, or were doing better than me .
I’ve thought ab hurting a couple of my ex friends . only like punching em in they shit a couple times for doing me how they did me but never kill 😮 it’s never that serious (in a friendship fall out - in other circumstances I believe murder/death is warranted sometimes)
I literally dumped all the other True Crime RUclipsrs for Stephanie. Cant get enough! I love how she begins from the end then takes us through the events.
Mirna’s father gave 140 million rupiah to the barista who made the coffee. Mirna's father also admitted that there was cyanide in his house during interview with Netflix. He is full of mistery😮
I don’t know by watching Netflix series and hy watching this video I have a gut feeling her father took his daughter life. I don’t know why but I have this feeling. As even in the series he have been saying that Jessica should react a certain way or cry. God knows but still it is a unsolved mystery
@@kangarif9166 a lot of people don’t want their loved ones to be cut in pieces and just rest in peace that does not make them guilty of anything, people keep talking but there is no motive for him to kill his own daughter.
That cafe manager managed the situation pretty well. She could have thought any time soon that there was possibly an error in their kitchen and threw out the evidence, but she decided to have the drink stored well and labeled.
so many points in this video are totally wrong based on the evidence presented in trials: 1. Jessica is not the one who invited to meet up, nor is she the who presented the idea to meet up at Olivier. Mirna was the one who setup a group WA chat for meetup and the one who suggested to meetup at Olivier was her friend. 2. She did not offer to pay for drinks. she was ASKING what their friends want to order. Mirna replied that she likes the iced coffee there. Therefore, Jessica purchased. 3. She did not order the drink at 3.30. She was only making reservation for 4pm because their meetup time was supposed to be 4pm. But her friends were extremely late, which is very typical Indonesian. 4. Jessica was meant to meetup with her 3 friends. Mirna, Hani and Vera. Vera was late. She was buying soaps for her 3 friends. is that weird? no. 5. CCTV footage is most likely has been tampered and raised by the IT expert during the trial. Disagreed? check out Ferdy Sambo’s case to show you that is possible. Oh, FYI - Ferdy Sambo was the lead police officer for Jessica’s case. And he was convicted for premediated murder in 2022 and telling lies during trials. and many more of wrong information in this video…
I feel so bad for her family, but mostly her twin… I’m a twin myself and I too, lost my sister, but my sister took her own life. Losing a twin is such a unique pain not many people are unfortunate enough to feel… and autopsies are VERY invasive. Most of my family including me were in another state when we got the news so it took us a bit of time to get there and she was a donor. We asked if they could wait so we could see her body but they couldn’t bc again, she was a donor. When we got there, they said we wouldn’t want to see her after the autopsy. Not to be gruesome, but the sever the head from the body and a bunch of other stuff, her eyes were donated even, so she didn’t have those either. I was so sad I didn’t get that final goodbye before we had her cremated… so I totally understand not wanting an autopsy unless absolutely necessary.. like she said, they’re incredibly invasive. I’m glad she got justice
I can not tell you I know how you feel because I never will, not being a twin. I did however lose my best friend of 32years when she made the same decision as your sister several years ago. 😮 So I do understand the very particular kind of grief that comes with this. Because your sister, being a human of true charity as a donor- has ensured there's a little bit of her helping others to live a better life. That to me is a real achievement. Leaving this world a better place because you were here🕊🌹
I've been obsessed with true crime since I was a child...my dad was a detective for our local police unit. He raised my brothers and I with his knowledge in the world around us. He taught us to always be aware of our surroundings, always order our own drinks and keep an eye on them, never let them out of your sight. He gave us tips on surviving dangerous situations man made or natural...man made being shootings or gang attacks. Hearing how Jessica requested the girls drink orders so she could order them, right away that pegged me as peculiar. My response would've been, "I really don't know what I'll be in the mood for when I get there, thank you anyway". Let's say she still ordered me something, thanks to my dad and mom instilling in me a major distrust for everyone, I'd have taken a sniff first and then the tiniest of sips first. I'm just that suspicious of people I don't fully trust and that list is very small. My heart goes out to Mirna's family. Jessica deserves to be poisoned as well, make her experience the same pain as Mirna did.
actually taking group orders when you are the first to arrive is kinda normal in Indonesia, especially in Jakarta. Everyone does it especially going to establishment like Olivier or any in mall restaurants (most Jakarta Malls are kinda fancy) and the waiters usually prefers if we order ahead and usually asked for it. Granted 90 minutes early and suddenly went somewhere is very odd.
Please update this video. Your source/researcher didn’t deliver. Since the release of the Ice Cold documentary on Netflix, the case become trending again in Indonesia, your subscribers/audiences should know that Indonesia’s justice system and law enforcement institutions are corrupt and Jessica’s trial wasn’t fair.
Mirna sounds like such a lovely person. Condolences to her sisters and father and mother and husband and her actual real friends! And rest of her family too ofc. Just wow.. taken way too soon. May she rest in peace and be remembered forever.
I still remember thinking how Jessica's actions prior (and after) the incident was completely absurd, and hearing it in details years later is still very bone-chilling. How did she remain so calm planning for a murder in broad daylight, IN PUBLIC?
Calmness can be a sign of lack of emotions aka primary psychopathy. Many people put the label psychopath on any person that behaves somehow agressive or mean but this is simply wrong.
This will definitely be difficult for you to understand because there are many strange things in Indonesian law. Please understand if English is difficult to understand because I use translate Here are the facts that I can explain: 1. Jessica arrived early to avoid the 3 in 1 (traffic jams in Jakarta are extraordinary) 2. They agreed to meet at 4, Jessica sent a juice menu to the group and Mirna replied that she liked Vietnamese iced coffee, then Jessica offered to buy it for her then the coffee came at 4.15. Mirna unexpectedly arrived late 3. The table was not chosen by Jessica, but by the cafe waitress 4. Jessica is not monitoring CCTV, but there she is looking for a waiter who guides her to make the payment first 5. When Mirna had a seizure and was referred to the nearest clinic, the victim's husband came to the location and did not allow the doctor to treat her first, he took Mirna to the hospital using a private car without an ambulance (this was very fatal) 6. 70 minutes after Mirna died, cyanide experts found no cyanide in Mirna's stomach and no symptoms of cyanide poisoning. However, 3 days after death and a sample was taken (not an autopsy), it was found to be 0.2 mlg/l (it was not fatal, it could have been due to decomposition of the corpse) 7. There is no evidence that Jessica put poison 8. There were no witnesses who saw Jessica put the poison. There is no evidence that Jessica possessed poison and purchased poison 9. Evidence that the coffee that Mirna drank was no longer original and the glass had been moved. 10. Many experts say that CCTV evidence is suspected to have been doctored. The CCTV was not taken from the DVR but from a flash disk directly and the video had been cut into pieces 11. 14 reports in Australia are not criminal cases. But it was a report of a lost wallet, his girlfriend's worries, his boss's worries and an accident 12. The rumor that Jessica threatened to kill her boss is a LIE, she never said anything like that. It is suspected that her boss didn't like Jessica because she left her job which made it difficult for her boss 13. The judge and public prosecutor at the trial always emphasized Jessica when giving testimony, even the expert witness at the trial from Jessica's attorney was shouted at in a high pitched voice. When Jessica was still being questioned she was forced to admit to an act she did not commit. If he admits he will only be sentenced to 7 years but will not be sentenced to death. It is suspected that they have engineered this case and are suspected of having been bribed by certain parties so that nothing will lighten Jessica's sentence. 14. Someone who previously worked on this case is in prison. This person had committed premeditated murder against his aide. he threatened the police that if he was sentenced to death he would expose the police's rottenness in the cyanide coffee case. (This is very odd, isn't it? It seems true that the coffee cyanide case was engineered) 15. There was a legal expert witness from the public prosecutor at the trial who was caught in a bribery case 16. The judge who sentenced Jessica violated the judge's code of ethics 17. The evidence submitted by Jessica's attorney to the judge and prosecutor that Jessica did not poison the coffee was not seen and was not considered at all by the public prosecutor 18. Jessica was proven guilty based only on the judge's assumptions and beliefs. 19. Mirna's family is thought to have spent a lot of money to cover the mouths of people who said Jessica was not the perpetrator 20. In Indonesia, no money, no justice, no viral, no justice, bribery is a very common thing. because people who don't have money can be made scapegoats or not be prosecuted 21. Jessica acts calm and unemotional because she doesn't want to see her mother sad, because if Jessica is seen crying in public her mother will cry too. Jessica's family is very closed to journalists. Basically, Jessica prioritized her family's feelings because at that time her father had undergone treatment 22. he was arrested at the hotel not because he was evading arrest. He avoided journalists who were always in front of Jessica's house which made it difficult for his family to buy food. After the Netflix documentary was broadcast, many officials threatened those who spoke about this case. There are officials who are trying to cover up this case and are trying to take down videos that discuss the irregularities in this case. This is very strange, why are they trying to cover it up so that this case won't be reopened? This may be strange to hear 🤣but in Indonesia many fortune tellers say Jessica is innocent and coffee is not poisonous. They said Mirna died of chronic stomach disease Now there are 3,800 lawyers who will help Jessica get justice pro-bono. "It is better to free 1000 guilty people than to convict 1 innocent person"
Aa thank you Stephanie for posting this. This case was so famous in Indonesia, and some of Indonesian even kinda scared to drink coffee on coffeeshop back then. Btw congrats for the wedding and both of you always be happy❤
being in a relationship with a narcissist is the level of pain i could never forget. being around someone who thought the world evolve around them is more than exhausting
I definitely think she did it. There is too much suspicious activity that was caught. Moving bags slowly. The order of drinks. Not tasting it. Her hands. My gut says she did it out of anger for not going to the wedding. What a horrible way to go. Rip merna 🕊️✨🙏🏽
This is the most dramatic cases in Indonesia, it's sooo unfathomable how much the twist and turn. The things is HOW CONFIDENT Jessica was in the trial. I was 16 when watching this trial and it wass soooo sacry how to see ppl could do this to HER OWN "FRIEND"
I was shocked after watching the netflix documentary I didn't know there was actually no lethal dose of cyanide found in the victim's lab test (also how the family refused a full autopsy so they couldn't even detect how the organs would've looked like if they were truly damaged by cyanide) Jessica's verdict conclusion was mainly by how she is psychologically and her past offenses instead of factual evidences on the scene
the trial and evidence was handled soooo poorly imo. im honestly surprised Jessica was convicted. she easily could’ve “gotten away” (im not saying she’s innocent or guilty but there was no hard evidence)
I’m indonesian and i followed the case, there’s some points stated that i’ve never heard before but maybe because of stephanie’s story telling skill it may sounds like believable. First, jessica was mirna’s best friend that mirna’s family know of and they believed she’s not the culprit behind mirna’s murder, they even defended her in media at the beginning and that all accusations was directed to mirna’s husband as way to cover up cheating allegation (with hani or with the twin) and insurance benefit. Second, before the cyanide examination came out, mirna’s family still defended jessica but later they put suspicion on jessica cuz on the day of mirna’s funeral she gave rather strange consolation message to mirna’s father saying “mirna cantik ya oom” which means “mirna is pretty, isn’t she uncle?” While looking at mirna’s open cascette, smiling. It gave chills to mirna’s dad and that started the lesbian unrequited love allegation. Later when jessica was put into trial for the murder she used the rumors about cheating and insurance to put the blame on mirna’s husband and father and claiming that she’s innocent and that she’s dragged into their murder plot but it soon backfired at her as police found the jeans she wore at the crime scene in the dumpster (it’s not burned) with cynide trace on it at her house. The case was so famous that a small business owner made use of its fame for promoting his instant coffee product called kopi jessica with jessica’s picture in it 😅
justru karena jeansnya ga ditemukan jadi bukti yang kuat kalo si jesika ngebuang barang bukti. kalau di jeansnya jesika ada sianida ya ga perlu sidang berjilid jilid. Kalau gua pelakunya, gua udah buang itu jeans yg ada bkas sianida karena ada sianida & sidik jari gua disana@@doremi1130
Wouldnt mrnas family know jessica is the main culprit from her obviously guilty actions of ordering drinks ahead of time and using three bags to cover up what she js doing to the drinks from the sec camera lol
I’m a relatively new subscriber. You just showed up on my feed one day and I’m so glad. You are the consummate professional and very personable. I’ve enjoyed each video that I’ve seen so far. You present cases that everyone else has missed. What a delightful and thoughtful channel. Thank you so very much! Have a truly blessed day!
im an indonesian and this case actually brings indonesian citizens to a lot of questions bc there were a lot of inconsistencies and odd things in this case. for example many still dont know that mirna's body didnt go through autopsy, so how did the judge know it was due to cyanide. it was later found that the cyanide is on the cup and not the coffee but this fact was not brought up, it was said that the percentage of cyanide found in the victim shouldnt have been enough to kill her
and also jessica's booked table actually wasnt in that spot, their table in the footage was booked for an official beforehand, however for some reason it was canceled
@@shahanaparveen2413 yupp, the 1% of ppl who believed jessica wasnt the murderer increased after the documentary came out. a lot of suspicion was put on mirna's father bc he was the one who didnt allow mirna's body to undergo autopsy. there were also other things that i forgot but it involved some medical prescription that mirna took, when asked to bring it in to be investigated, her dad said its gone n she has taken it all, n when they found the doctor who gave the prescription, for some reason, the doctor was replaced w another one right after. idk what ppl outside of indonesia think ab this case, but a looot of indonesian tiktokers start voicing their opinions that jessica wasnt the murderer. this used to be a big case in indonesia, many law students in universities studied this case, but yeah. theres still a lot of doubt within indonesians. theres also a theory that the prescriptions might indicate that mirna suffers from gerd, and maybe she didnt eat anything beforehand n drank the coffee hence the reaction. person who embalmed mirna's body even said that there were no signs of cyanide going into the bloodstream and it was not found in the liver, the internal organs werent red. those are crucial signs of cyanide poisoning. however instead, it was found her lips and fingertips were blue which indicates the cause of death is something else. there was an interview for this ive got the video
Also saw the netflix documentary, and more question arises, like cyanide was not even found on the body within within 48 hours in the body. and Mirna was turning blue, not red when she died. ( when you die of cyanide poisoning, you turn red )
@@gracesierra-v8fso it still could be book by her then she cancel it. She probably do the scooping for like a week before tho. Seeing which seat are the best for the crime to happen. Then she booked it herself so no people gonna take the table
Thank you Stephanie Soo! I used to avoid listening and watching to crime stories but with the way you approach these horrible crimes, for me comes across as more about the humanity of the victims and their families rather than the terrible crime itself. Now I’m addicted! May you and your hubby have all that your hearts desire as you embark on this wonderful journey called marriage ❤️
Again. Im indonesian and I followed this case during the time it went viral. After watching the Netflix documentary i KNOW why this video irks me. You commented on this case just like majority netizens in indonesia at the time. You were just dead set on Jessica as the villain for motive that is weak at best, fictional at worst. You just want to see this whole thing as black and white and that's it. Someone just has to be the villain and putting the blame on Jessica is too easy. Also, disliking someone based on their personality (aloof, no tears, not emphatic, not showing emotions) are just wrong. Just because its not the norm doesn't immediately makes it a bad thing.
Yeah, right. I seriously don't like the way this girl delivers the story. It sounds too much like she hates J, as if she was there and knows them personally.
@@tvken3438the better question is, why didn't she just wash that thing. Sounds really dumb to throw it rather than just wash it if she wanted to get rid of the evidence.
Thank you stephanie for sharing news outside of the u.s, and thank you for shining lights on these cases. Youre such a hardworking woman, i hope you are taking care of yourself too❤
This is absolutely heartbreaking. This is why it's hard for many people to trust others and not even want to communicate and stick to themselves. I hope she's resting now 💙😭 I swear jealousy sucks, some people let jealousy control them and they do the most CRAZY things as a result 😭 Edit: Also congratulations Stephanie 💙🥺💙
They asked the president of Indonesia to try and reopen the case. I think everyone in this case are suspicious, Indonesia is the country where money always wins. So you can’t really trust anybody in this situation. But I’ll always feel bad for the husband, he deserves better.
I don’t know if you’ve covered African cases before but it would be interesting to hear you talk about the Senzo Meyiwa case, centred around a famous South African soccer player whose death is shrouded in mystery and conspiracy. There’s a great documentary about it on Netflix.
I’m Indonesian and this case has always been a mystery to all of us. We always have unanswered questions. THANK YOU SOOO MUCH for covering this case. Sending you love from Indonesia! 🇮🇩
I really habe no words for indonesian people who think that this case is still a mystery, while a whole world can easily know that jesica is the culpirt.. why are they still asking who the killer is and think this case is still a mystery when Jessica's movements are clearly visible from the CCTV.. it's clear that Jessica is the culprit.. she ordered the coffee, she was the one who covered the coffee so as not to be seen putting poison into Mirna's coffee, she was the one who burned her clothes after the incident.. this case is not a mystery at all..
@@DS-vy1xj and a lot of them still saying Jessica is innocent☹ i see a lot of comment in youtube video that are showing about this case and most of them still defending her even after 7 years. ruclips.net/video/VZLWjZLAYHY/видео.htmlsi=W6F-zeVp2z0aOEtO like this one. Disgusting😔
@@DS-vy1xj maybe he meant a mystery why Jessica could do something like that to her own friend. and also the news doesn't tell everything, even when the case happened it took a long time for the police to be really sure that Jessica was the perpetrator, so that's how it is
@@DS-vy1xjwhich Indonesians are you talking about? Because the majority of Indonesians already know Jessica is the murderer. The true motive behind is what remains a mystery because there are too many rumors surrounding it.
Huh? It's already being cleared the whole things. One thing for sure it is jealousy, the finally straw that triggered is not being invited to the wedding.
I can still remember this case as bright as a day. I enjoyed going to Grand Indonesia mall a.k.a the place this tragedy took place. Even months after the case happened, people still talked about it everywhere, pointed their fingers to the restaurant saying things like "isnt it the place where that girl was poisoned?" This was a huge case. Praying for Wayan Mirna and her family
Came back here after watching the documentary. I found it weird at first when she asked what did you put into the coffee to the manager but mirna was clearly showing her unpleasantness after she sipped the coffee right? she was like its awful something along those lines, which means it's understandable if jessica asked such a qn to the manager because she clearly saw mirna complaining about the taste of the coffee. she wasn't trying to shift the blame or accuse her
@@mx.n.3682 It's funny how everyone here is swallowing this story. They lied. All the official police reports (which is where rotten mango likely got this info from) is 100% doctored. Many people were bribed and paid to keep a tight seal on this case. The trial was a mess and pure chaos. Netflix does better at providing UNBIASED evidence. Even Indonesian citizens knew this was clear involvement of police corruption and the family conspired or covered something up. Also the husband was INCREDIBLY sus and never looked into. Consider these corrections to the evidence and ask yourself, are you just eating up this story like an obedient dog? #1 - Jessica arrived early to avoid the massive traffic jams #2 - they agreed to meet at 4 #3 - Mirna arrived unexpectedly late #4 ‐ Jessica did not pick the table the café waitress did #5 - The CCTV footage used is not the original and was "cut up" and spliced unto a flash drive hence the grainy footage #6 - Jessica wasn't looking for a seat but for an employee to finish payment #7 ‐ Right after Mirnas seizure her "loving husband" rushed to the clinic she was sent to, denied any doctors to look at her or treat her, refused ambulance transport, and drove her in a private car to the hospital (which proved to be a fatal choice) #8 - 70 min. After her death cyanide experts found no cyanide in her stomach, and no symptoms of cyanide poisoning. 3 days after her death they took a sample from her stomach (not an autopsy... her parents refused one which would show cause of death) the sampl showed .2mlg of cyanide vs the 7400 they claim that would have wiped the entire people sitting nearby. This small .2mlg was likely di to decomposition and was in no way fatal. #9 - the cyanide tested on the cup was found outside the cup an not inside of the coffee #10 - ignored evidence that the cup "preserved for evidence" was not the original and the cup had been switched #11 - The judge always emphasized Jessica's name in court and Jessica's lawyer was treated rudely and shouted at #12 - The chief of police in charge for this case was sent to jail for premeditated murder of one of his officers and threatened to expose the cyanide coffee case if given the death penalty #13 - there was a lead expert witness (prosecutor side, against Jessica) who was caught for bribery #14 - The judge who sentenced Jessica violated the judges code of ethics #15 - all evidence on behalf of Jessica's lawyer proving her innocence was refused to be acknowledged by the prosecutor and judge #16 - the prosecutor even resorted to using chaotic statements as the shape of Jessica's face as evidence of her crimes And much much much more. Jessica was clearly a scapegoat to cover up a family scandal. An affair. Corruption. Whatever have you. Money moves Indonesia and ANY ONE OF YOU can be made looked guilty. And end up on rotten mango years later. Simmer that.
@@mx.n.3682 It's funny how everyone here is swallowing this story. They lied. All the official police reports (which is where rotten mango likely got this info from) is 100% doctored. Many people were bribed and paid to keep a tight seal on this case. The trial was a mess and pure chaos. Netflix does better at providing UNBIASED evidence. Even Indonesian citizens knew this was clear involvement of police corruption and the family conspired or covered something up. Also the husband was INCREDIBLY sus and never looked into. Consider these corrections to the evidence and ask yourself, are you just eating up this story like an obedient dog? #1 - Jessica arrived early to avoid the massive traffic jams #2 - they agreed to meet at 4 #3 - Mirna arrived unexpectedly late #4 ‐ Jessica did not pick the table the café waitress did #5 - The CCTV footage used is not the original and was "cut up" and spliced unto a flash drive hence the grainy footage #6 - Jessica wasn't looking for a seat but for an employee to finish payment #7 ‐ Right after Mirnas seizure her "loving husband" rushed to the clinic she was sent to, denied any doctors to look at her or treat her, refused ambulance transport, and drove her in a private car to the hospital (which proved to be a fatal choice) #8 - 70 min. After her death cyanide experts found no cyanide in her stomach, and no symptoms of cyanide poisoning. 3 days after her death they took a sample from her stomach (not an autopsy... her parents refused one which would show cause of death) the sampl showed .2mlg of cyanide vs the 7400 they claim that would have wiped the entire people sitting nearby. This small .2mlg was likely di to decomposition and was in no way fatal. #9 - the cyanide tested on the cup was found outside the cup an not inside of the coffee #10 - ignored evidence that the cup "preserved for evidence" was not the original and the cup had been switched #11 - The judge always emphasized Jessica's name in court and Jessica's lawyer was treated rudely and shouted at #12 - The chief of police in charge for this case was sent to jail for premeditated murder of one of his officers and threatened to expose the cyanide coffee case if given the death penalty #13 - there was a lead expert witness (prosecutor side, against Jessica) who was caught for bribery #14 - The judge who sentenced Jessica violated the judges code of ethics #15 - all evidence on behalf of Jessica's lawyer proving her innocence was refused to be acknowledged by the prosecutor and judge #16 - the prosecutor even resorted to using chaotic statements as the shape of Jessica's face as evidence of her crimes And much much much more. Jessica was clearly a scapegoat to cover up a family scandal. An affair. Corruption. Whatever have you. Money moves Indonesia and ANY ONE OF YOU can be made looked guilty. And end up on rotten mango years later. Simmer that.
@@mx.n.3682 some commenting ppl said she actually arrived 30 minutes early, because the meeting was actually scheduled for 4 P.M., not 5 P.M., but her friends were late (those commenters said it's common in Indonesia to be late)
wait i love rewatching your old videos please don’t delete them 😭 it’s okay if it’s the same cases i just love your energy and sometimes when i’ve seen everything i’ll go back to my favorite old videos and rewatch them🥹 pls bring them back stephanie pleaseeee
So she did covered this case before and deleted the video? I was starting to think that I have memory problems because I thought I'd seen this before but couldn't find it on any of her channels
It reminds me of the story of another young married couple that I heard from Mr Ballin. Gemma and Ian went on their honeymoon and her husband Ian was fatally attacked by a Bull Shark while snorkeling ten days later. They were also just starting their lives.
When her husband Ari returned home without Merna, his grief when realizing the reality of never seeing Merna again, reminds me of a scene in the U.S. movie "Return to Me". Its a scene that absolutely breaks your heart. Have tissue 😔
Same here mate. Sadly shithole system they have there. I know how fckd their system is I was an expat there for 2 years. I always have to bring in money with me to bribe local officials whenever I visit their kampung. Ys I was part of the problem. But YES i have to do it to keep the business alive.
I had a friend since 2nd grade not invite me to her wedding last year and months before ignore my messages about hanging out and you know what I did? Nothing said congrats and stopped reaching out and stopped treating her as my best friend. Why I am going to give someone that control. I know her and as soon as shit hits the fan I am her best friend, no one is going to control my happiness and love when there are others who want it. This case breaks my heart, 20 years for someone with no remorse is crazy.
I just came here to say that I used to listen to your videos constantly, just because you did such a great job at telling the stories and doing so much justice to the victims while reading them, but it has started to change me, making me constantly think about all these tragedies, making me more closed off and depressed, making it impossible to sleep, and I just had to force myself to stop listening. I only am saying this because that isn't a bad thing, it shows how truly great you are at telling these stories, and with how hard the subjects really are, I have huge amounts of respect for you for being able to keep telling these stories every week.
Good lord. Jessica had so many red flags and if only Mirna could’ve been aware or see them clearly, she might’ve never gone for their coffee date. Then again, Mirna seems to have been the sweetheart type, she would’ve met up to just be supportive and be a kind friend anyway. She didn’t deserve to be taken away from this earth so soon. She deserved the happy future coming her way. May she rest in peace and may her husband and family find and keep peace.
i remember this case , this is the biggest mindblowing case in indonesia in 2016 ,some people still believe that jessica didnt poisoned the coffee because the autopsy find a little trace of cyanide in mirna body and they only did sample not full autopsy, the only evidence the prosecutor have is the coffee with cyanide (some say they(the police) tempering with evidence and some of the police that handling this case actually in jail right now for murder of his aide-de-camp , tempering with evidence and obtruction of justice (this one too is the biggest case recently since the defendant is two star general)) .
I still remember when the whole nation was shocked by this case..heard a lot of conspiracy theories about it too. Mirna didn't deserve what happened to her.. RIP 💔 thanks Stephanie for covering this case
oh my god i remember this case! i was in law school and my professors would pause classes to watch the trials and we would watch mirna’s dad throwing tantrums that got him eventually thrown out of court. everyone also agreed that televising the trial eventually put it in jeopardy because of influence from public opinions and exposed testimonies.
I’m that new subscriber that has binged like more than 10 podcast from Stephanie at this point. Idk how come I’ve only found her now, but her content is so addictive and well crafted too!
I love the empathy I can feel from you through the videos. You put a ton of passion into entertaining and informing your audience through this channel!
I knew someone very much like Jessica once. The best moment of my life is when she decided to have a meltdown and screw a bunch of us over (it was planned over months...so yes decided is the right term). This allowed me to cut her off cleanly. She tried to weasel her way back in right at the end and I made it very clear that I would never be speaking with her again. Even if she crawled back around to meet up, I would simply not go. There are some people in this life you do not need to have around. I just wish I had realised it first because she tried to ruin my reputation on her way out of my life. A lot of other people had cut her out quietly and I never quite understood why until then. Here is to everyone who thinks they should give closure to a toxic person. Don't. These people don't deserve it. You can be respectful as you tell them to go live their best lives far away from you...but don't give them another chance or take a thing from them. And certainly don't meet up with them.
Couldn't agree more with the "You don't need to give closure to toxic people". I had a best friend like Jessica for 9 years, since junior high. She was always very jealous of me in multiple aspects of life, from studies to physical appearance. She tried hiding it but her sudden outbursts gave it away (eg, I always wanted to grow my hair long, something that wasn't my decision to make, but my mother's instead, so when I finally did, she kept discouraging me, saying it doesn't suit me and that it makes me look ugly, that other people agree with her and demanded I cut it like I did for years. I refused and said I love it this way and that's all that matters (for the record, I never once heard anyone else saying it doesn't suit me). And one day, after her first outburst, during which she was screaming by the way, almost like a lunatic, she sent me a message, accusing me of trying to imitate her looks, that I'm the one being jealous of her and me growing my hair was proof. And that she was very upset about this. I was shocked. I knew she could gey manipulative with words and try to turn the tables on you, making you feel like you're the bad person instead, but that was way too much of a series of outbursts, just for... hair. I then stopped overlooking her toxic and manipulative attitude, all the red flags she kept showing for years and gradually felt more and more disconnected emotionally from her. And yes, there were times I feared for my life while being next to her. I had at least incidents during which I was hurt by something and she was just staring at me, with a smug look on her face, like she was enjoying seeing me in pain. I put up with her for a little more. I had given her plenty of chances to change her attitude with talks that lasted for hours(she always acted defensively), but saw no change in her. So one day, I just stopped sending her messages and stopped answering to her. I ghosted her. I knew that even if I were to talk with her again and then give a closure, she wouldn't accept it, like she never accepted anything I told her about her, that was not nice and she should try changing it, because it was disrespectful towards me. And that was the best decision I ever made in my life and after that I felt more free than ever.
Dear Stephanie, I commented on your post less than 24h ago and found this video. Here are key facts about the case: 1. Mirna was never autopsied, per court records. The victim's lack of autopsy raises questions about the alleged crime's validity. 2. The coffee sample, tested for cyanide, lacks documented chain of custody, casting doubt on its reliability. 3. The Indonesian Police Lab, akin to NFS in South Korea, stated in open court: a. A stomach sample taken 70 mins post-Mirna's death tested negative for cyanide. b. The post-embalming sample showed insufficient cyanide levels, challenging the poisoning theory. c. No traces of cyanide were found in various parts of the sample that was taken from her body. 4. Dr. Djaja (the one that embalmed the victim’s body as per requested), a renowned forensic doctor in SEA, urged an autopsy but was denied due to the family's influence. His examination found no cyanide signs pre-embalming. 5. The CCTV lacks clear chain of custody details, raising concerns of manipulation by renowned digital forensics. 6. A psychiatrist that was tasked to examine Jessica at that time had her master's cancelled at that time for disagreeing with the presented diagnosis by her team. Despises Jessica’s past this is a very political case. This case affects the nation, exposing corruption and a compromised justice system. I implore you to revisit and shed light on these emerging facts, as they challenge the integrity of the authorities. Your platform has the power to bring attention to this injustice, resonating with those who seek truth and fairness. As an Indonesian myself I am ashamed to say that this is what my home country is capable of hence why people like me refused to go back and live there as this type of situation can happen to anyone who doesn't have the money, power or connection. Any day they can be framed as scapegoats just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
You have become my go-to channel on true crime! The way the show is run, e.g looking at your fiancée and then looking into the camera makes it feel like I’m sitting around a table talking about the case with you guys. The amount of research and details you put into your videos is incredible. I can feel how much respect you have for the victims and their families. 1000/10
I'm so amazed how Stephanie has so much on her plate whit her wedding and everything yet she still filming content for us this is why I look up to her thank you Stephanie ❤
omg, i’m indonesian and am so glad stephanie covered this case because even after all these years i have no idea how this HUGE case ended. thank you stephanie! ❤
The last part with her husband saying that he felt honored to be the man she fell in love with and got to give her the experience of feeling loved had me crying holy shit 😭😭😭🥺
100% !!!!!
true love 🥹🥹🥹🥹
And his name means “wise”. Definitely live up to his name 😊
I need a man like this ;( I feel so bad for her and him they should've been together ;(
Well he's happily living is aussie now with his new wife, with the money insurance bcoz his wife died
Honestly, kudos to the waiters and waitresses who saved the poisoned coffee. Very good intuition.
That’s the part that’s wild to me. Cause if she hadn’t tried to point the finger at the cafe, and motivate them to preserve that coffee. She might have actually gotten away with this
@@BunnieOfDestruction she probably did it in hopes they would panic and throw it out. Reverse psychology didnt work
They had the intuition to save it, but not the intuition to not taste it even after seeing and smelling that something was wrong with it, the fact that multiple people tasted it after actually shocked me, I was stunned
@@punxie89 it's the dose that makes the poison. The likelihood is that they probably felt unwell for a while.
@@sibleykinsOften pointing out things no one.was really thinking about or just making accusations like that just make you more suspicious
Teared up a little bit at the part when everyone prayed for Merna. Just a nice example of how humans care for eachother
Also a nice example of why praying is a waste of time and energy... And that these religious people are worshipping thin air.
Crazy juxtaposition of human behavior, “friend” kills her while complete strangers pray for her
Yeah that would never happen in America, made me tear up as well
It doesn’t often happen, those people were probably religious so that’s why. Also a nice example that praying to god doesn’t really work even how hard you’re praying, and that god won’t spear anyone’s life even if they’re a god person
@@Uchiha.Itachii lol well I’m not sure I agree with your synopsis but no prayer is not going to help on one of the most deadly and fast-acting natural poisons in the world
Had Jessica not drawn attention to the coffee by accusing the cafe staff probably no one would have suspected a crime. Mirnas dearh might have been written off as a seizure, but luckily Jessica just exposed herself
All the drinks already ordered by Jessica, she was the one who arrived there before the other girls. I think there was a report, that Jessica put the poison when the girls didn’t noticed and Myrna said the coffee smelled weird.
There is a saying that "while the index finger points on other people, the other 4 fingers are pointing at you"
Meaning : when you accuse someone else for something they didn't do, you are actually pointing at yourself and refuse the blame...
@@iskotayo1yet when I pointed 5 fingers at someone, they called me the Fuhrer
She asked about what they put in the coffee, cz before the collapsed, Mirna said abt the coffee tasted awful and she started having a stroke, of course logically people would think what It was inside the coffee? It was the only thing that triggered all that to happened
@@amadeus4491LMAOOO
The thing with cyanide is that it interferes with cellular respiration in mitochondria. With a high dose, all tissues stop getting oxygen. My biochemistry professor in college said that cyanide poisoning is a very painful way to die.
To think that a "friend" would do that, is horrible. I hope Mirna rests un peace.
Also, you can't just go into a shop and buy it. In the US and Europe you have PROVE that you have a valid scientific reason to order a small quantity. Everything is documented carefully. I imagine that you could order it on the dark Web, but I don't think that even that would be easy
You suffocate and nobody will know what is happening
I had no idea how it actually worked, it's so scary hearing what it actually does to the body. I still can't believe she did that to someone and had zero emotions behind it (other than anger and hatred obviously)
I took a chemistry class focused on poisons in college. My professor made it very clear that death by cyanide is nothing like they depict in media-that it’s fairly quick, but incredibly painful. Praying that Mirna didn’t suffer long
@@sandifeola9385That's the same way with choking I remember I started choking when a lollipop was eating broke off the stick and got stuck in my throat it really hurt and I couldn't breathe properly or even make a noise so one noticed and could even hear me even for like 3 minutes? I was surprised that I was even still standing tbh) I guess to them I looked like I was just looking around but luckily this random guy was walking by from the front of the stall saw the way I was moving and performed the hiemlich maneuver and saved my life
The fact that she only got 20 years is absurd, she took someone's life out of jelaousy and doesn't show any drop of remorse in the videos and pictures, I can't imagine how devastated her family and husband must be
Probably because someone that cares for merna if they don't control theirselves might try to get revenge in their own hands. Some of us know how to control ourselves some of us think to take revenge in our own hands
@@dragosanders4234 How does that justify her light sentence? It's a shame she never successfully killed herself, as she would have saved other people so much grief. Some people don't deserve pity.
@@dragosanders4234wut? so if someone cares for merna they would want the murderer to only get 20 years?
@@erickkisreal9398fr like that doesn’t make any sense. If I was her friend, I would want the murderer to be in prison for life
@erickkisreal9398 Again if they know the murderer is out there some people might be consumed with grief where they might take revenge in their own hands
I am from Indonesia and am glad you are covering this case. This case is like the OJ Simpson trial of Indonesia. Everyone was watching and waiting for the verdict. Due to the wealth of both families, such a trial is uncommon. You have to pay a lot of money to get justice in Indonesia. I watched all the trials and news when I was in high school. Stephanie, thank you so much for all your hard work!
That’s interesting to know. Thanks for sharing! 😊
Both family basically using their money and power for media play to defend their daughters, each also hiring most famous Indonesian lawyers who also well known as archenemies irl, the cafe also were owned by Indonesian actress who won Citra (basically Indonesian's Oscar Academy Award) as best actress, the cafe also known as the place where Indonesian A list celebrities hangout at the time.
Not to mention that this case was handle by two raising star police investigators in Indonesian police institution. One of them was in UN as Indonesia's representative, the other now is fired and facing death penalty because of murder (killing another police officer) and related to gangster and mafia.
My mind was blown away when I heard that this is one of the case that was handled by Ferdy Sambo.
Stephanie, you probably want to check Ferdy Sambo's case. It's well known as 'cop killing cop' case in Indonesia.
Ohh Stephanie should do episode of Ferdi Sambo case… that’s so HUGE case in Indonesia
@@aubreysong wait woah i didn't know ferdi sambo handled this case.. such a stark difference in fate between the two officers.
They say only money wins court cases in this country…well what if both of them are as rich? Maybe they will learn how to do a proper court case for once?
‼️ ‼️ UPDATE on the case : as of 18 Aug 2024, Jess is now released from prison, on parole. After serving 8 years in jail. She's being seen fit to be back to society, because she showed good behaviour during her jail time. Her lawyer succeeded in pointing out there were so many oddities in the investigation. There were not enough sufficient evidences to prove Mirna's demise was from poisoning, or even if it is, there were no solid proof it was Jess' doing.
The Indonesians are basically divided. Many still think Jess is definitely guilty, and doesn't deserved to be released. But on the other hand, many also believe Jess is innocent; and she was like sacrificed for the sake of the top brass job promotion.
I could not imagine making such a decision taking a life and plan or be able to enjoy life.. sociopath 😢
In case the international crowd doesnt know, police in Indonesia is totally different from the western world.
You have to pay the police to investigate the crime even if you are the victim. Police will not entertain you if you dont pay them and police will threaten the victim for payment. This can be easily argued as conflict of interest in the investigating party. Police work for money not for justice.
The key evidence of this case is the coffee. In the US, it is easily arguable that the key evidence is mishandled (multiple people touching the coffee after the incident) and yet this is not considered by the judge (NOT jury).
Lastly, in Indonesia, they dont adhere to the innocent until proven guilty or guilty only if proven without a doubt.
Therefore, all my above points cause a division in public opinion.
Dont believe everything you hear from the Indonesian police...
This should be pinned. Since I’m at the beginning of the video, I didn’t read everything you wrote in order not to give it away from myself probably, but I think updates should always be pinned.
@@WynnDall wow! Thank you for that information. That sounds pretty awful, and I’m sure a lot of laws are broken due to this corrupt system. Obviously Jessica (or her family) had money, so she probably bought her way out of prison. I wonder if the victim‘s Family didn’t pay enough for the cops to investigate whether or not Jessica definitely put that cyanide in there or not. I think she totally did it from what I’ve read, anyway. Eight years is definitely not enough time. I think she will reoffend because she really did not get too many consequences for her horrifying actions. Even driving through the nursing home was absolute insanity.
This is the 2nd time I watch this episode. Thank you for the update.
What really had me tearing up was when it was brought up how Mirna and her husband were both planning to continue on with their lives and start a family of their own, they wanted to have a child :( and now they were robbed of that, I hope that her husband is doing alright and my heart goes out to all of Mirna’s family and those who truly cared about her
made me cry
Not only was it robbed but it was gone forever
It was so heartbreaking hearing the husband talk about Mirna. Just so much love just to be ripped away by a heartless monster. I can't imagine what it was like for him.
Yeah and I think Jessie was jealous of mirna it’s just she wanted the things money can’t buy and she wanted so focused to be like her that she wished she were dead. Like the conan gray song “heather” the person hated how every love this girl and how the every guy was paying attention to her so she said she wished she were dead.
@kathymartinez8236 I think the song Heather and this case are completely different. Heather has a storyline in which a girl likes a guy but the guy likes another girl and the girl starts starts thinking that why does he like her and why not me.
@@kathymartinez8236you make me want to rewatch conan and i wasnt really watching all episodes that time coz i was a lil kid and didnt know about it being a series like tom and jerry
@@blueravenstar4162 huh they meant the singer not the show
But her husband was stubborn for sending his wife to the hospital himself, mirna could be saved if ambulance take her to the hospital because there is oxygen in ambulance, instead her husband took her to hospital by his car.
Some clarifications:
1. The one who suggested the Olivier cafe was Mirna
2. Jessica bought three soaps because Vera (the 4th girl) was expected to come, but she didn't. Jessica bought the soaps for her three friends.
And hid the coffee behind the bags and took something out of her purse, after ordering iced coffee way too early and surveiling the restaurant.
@@hollystiener16 : no evidence that this actually happened.
here's an advice from an indonesian: don't trust the official story from the police. The indonesian police is corrupt beyond corrupt.
And this case comes into the surface again. Many people, in fact, are now defending Jessica because of lack of evidence
If Jessica wasn't the one who killed him, he was the unluckiest person in the history of mankind
wkwkw modal nonton netflix bajakan, baru nonton film documenter berasa jadi orang paling pinter@@graypurple28
I’ve passed by her twin a few times at the mall (we live in the same neighborhood/community), and it kinda caught me off guard a few times since you know, her identical sister with the same face had been reported dead. My second thought was, wow, the fact that she and her family will forever be reminded of Mirna’s tragic passing just by looking at her face is heartbreaking.
Yeah,like everyday looking at a mirror image of the deceased twin.I can't even imagine.
I love how your heart beats❤
You mean Sandy, right? Yes, she has same physical appearance with her twin. But different personality. Her died twin known to be stubborn, emotional, has angry issues like her dad. Also actively against her dad's attitude whose being playboy and love hanging out with other girls meanwhile he had a wife (twin's mom) at that time
@@user273hyOW39PGsZfwow way to talk bad of the dead. I know it may be different in Indonesia, but that comment is unnecessary and cruel. Who raised you 🤦
@@lifeasrini I just described her as her father was describing about his daughter in front of media just in case people outside Indonesia didnt know. But yeah, her father already talked about his daughter a few times like that. Her father also mentioned that Mirna's personality very similar to his personality. Not my intensions to talk bad about her. I know we shouldn't normalize about it. But in Indonesia, when someone whose popular died or someone (not particularly celebs or actors) being on News for some cases such as criminal cases, the reporters and media try to look up how the person he/she is by asking to their relatives, like doing interviews to their family, their friends, their boy/girlfriend, their neighbours, their school's lecturer, etc. It's very common.
it's crazy that the top authorities that handled this case are now in jail for a murder case too. it's so unsettling.
Stephanie need to cover this police murder!
Sambo?
@@PanduBiasramadhan correct
tong tong tong.. sooo baksoo.. sooo baksoooo....
karma I guess (?)
She didn't invite her to her wedding for a bigger reason than just walking out of a dinner. She had a gut feeling about her & she was right.
I mean she's dead with this lack of invitation being one of the main motive of the murderer. So was it a correct choice then?
@richhornie7000 not inviting her was the correct choice. I'll state the obvious by saying that it's not her fault that this happened to her. Now, if you want to put it into "correct/incorrect" categories, the incorrect choice was ever meeting up with her again because she knew something was off. That's the point of my original comment. She should have stuck with her gut instinct and kept her out of her life forever.
@richhornie7000 also, I'm going to assume you're a man because of your name. Sorry if I'm wrong. But assuming you're a man, you don't know how long a woman can hold a grunge against another woman. If it wouldn't have been the wedding invite, it would have been some other perceived slight & she would have hurt her "friend" anyway. The woman clearly hated her for whatever reason she made up in her own head.
If she had such a gut feeling then why would she meet Jessica again?
@@stacin821love the casual sexism
Ok Stephanie we’re going to need an update on this after that Netflix special because it seems like the dad bought everyone! Not saying she didn’t do it but that trial was ridiculous. She wasn’t even allowed to be interviewed when terrorist were. That dad was SUS AF!
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When I listened to this on Spotify, I was so heartbroken for her and her family. The fact that her “so called friend” got away with it and didn’t get a longer sentence is unsettling. Can’t imagine how her family is feeling. You can’t trust humanity
Edit: Jealousy is an incurable disease. She was jealous of what she couldn’t have and took a life as a result of it. Sickening !!
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No many people are jealous in one time or another of their friends in their life but they don’t kill or even hurt their friends.
But jealousy combined with mental illness yes that person can kill the person they are jealous of.
In Islamic countries if you are single friend and see your married friend’s baby the first time and say she/he is beautiful baby or look healthy they right away put a something to protect the baby from her (just as soon as she leaves), thinking she is jealous and put an evil eye, that complements from a single girlfriend would be the opposite and the baby will be sick, or even may die if not protected.
@@ymwant2sleep??
Hats off to Stephanie for regularly posting content WHILE having her wedding ❤
Can we get a husband reveal during the wedding shoot
Yess!! big props to her
Good thing for pre-recorded vids ;) Thanks Stephanie 😊😊😊😊
She also has big team to help het
@@nazmeenneyaz7397he clearly doesn't want to be on camera so you should really respect his wishes
Steph, you probably want to cover another Indonesian big case that got international media attention (so it has English documentation in internet), 'The missing litte girl: Angeline' in Bali, 2015.
I suddenly remember it because the two famous Indonesian lawyers who handled this case also handled Angeline's case.
Angeline, 8 yro, was missing and her foster mother and sister raised a Go Fund Me to search the little girl. The little girl deceased body then was found in her foster mother's backyard by the police.
Angeline, a Balinese 8 yro girl was inherit a lot of money from her late foster dad, a foreign man who married an Indonesian women (Angeline's foster mom). Poor little girl was abused badly then dead because she inheriting huge amount of money the she didn't even know she had it.
Oh god that poor baby, how horrific is that to harm a child for any reason but to take a life for something as superficial as *money…* it makes me so angry!!! Rest easy sweet girl, Angeline, I pray you’re in a better place full of flowers and sunshine ❤
I remember when this case went viral a few years ago. The fact that both step sisters and mother killed her and go out in public with no shame, made my blood boils.
Oh poor baby....this just brought me to tears
oh my God yes this case
There's so many interesting case in Indonesia that worth to cover but i'm pretty sure the research won't be easy since indo police tend to covers thing up not published the details of cases that they solved.
After watching the Netflix documentary, that was the first time for me to know after knowing this case from different crime story that Mirna’s body only contained .2mg cyanide 3 days after death and 0mg, 70 mins after death. The family never allowed full autopsy that would really pinpoint the cause of death.
Do you believe documentaries that chase money from broadcasts more than testimonies and CCTV that are shown in court?
Here's article from Republika:
The Head of the Chemistry and Biology Division of the Indonesian National Police's Criminal Investigation Agency's Laboratory and Information Center said that the reaction to cyanide in humans is that they feel itchy and hot if they come into contact with the skin. "The only thing that can remove it is acid and base. It could also be due to hot temperatures," said Samran when giving testimony in Kartika Room I, Central Jakarta District Court, Wednesday.
He said that the chemical reaction that occurs when cyanide is exposed to heat is that the HCN particles contained in it will be released in gas form or evaporate. Meanwhile, in the human body, the HCN content is easily released when it enters the stomach because of the presence of hydrochloric acid.
What’s the title?
@@smuckers191Ice cold
your trusting a entertainment company? And this is why in the depp v heard trial people blamed the victim. Obviously they wont find cyanide when they look in the fucking liver, use critical thinking, stop trusting netflix as an actual source, and realise it takes 6-8 hours for anything to pass your stomach and small intestine. I think none of you learnt critical thinking in school and are trying to make a victim out of someone that wasnt ever a victim, J had a restraining order by her ex boyfriend shes more than capable of murder
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the way merna's husbands spoke about her at the end choked me up. he truly loves her, so much, and the fact that someone being jealous took her away from him is heartbreaking.
Jessica is the type of person who thinks ‘if I can’t have it, then you can’t either’ but make it happen 100x more evil and worse.
Ikr
like a child
You missed the twist, she actually date Mirna not the husband
Exactly
Nonsense... the father kills her
I've learned that jealousy is often a reason for the absolute worst in people. My friend who called me her best friend (I didn't feel the same yet but she was close enough to be at my wedding), said she could see us growing old and drinking tea on a porch someday together talked badly about me during my wedding very loudly during the reception and whispering during the ceremony. Sad what jealousy can bring out in people.
The Bible says jealousy is cruel to the grave. It's an insidious thing and can be deadly...
Extreme and lasting jealousy is a pathological thing in my opinion. It is a state of sickness.
I'm Christina from guernsey I had a friend in school who would copy me and want to be me down to a t we stopped talking then started ger invited to avent at her house and they jelousy youcouls cut it with a knife she stopped texting then last week out of blue sheet Mr inviting me to her anvesery dinner I'm in 2 minds weather to go coz I'm blonde and skinny she always has to try and be better oike it compati8n when I don't need to act she's mad so this case omg reminds me of situation I'm in right now we are in 2023 getting worse
@@victorwhite7822 if you second guess going, don't go. Spend time on people who mutually love, respects and cares for you as you do them. Be polite if you her down. The worse part about jealousy is it often makes you want to stoop to the level they all eventually come to, be better unless she tries to do something to you. My situation really put an end to me giving people the benefit of doubt and not listening to my gut instincts. Never wasting time on someone with red flags again!
@victorwhite7822 Be careful Christina. Really. Be careful.
This case is weird AF. She acted very sus but all facts are in her favor. Doctor said a corpse who died from cyanide should have had a cherry-colored face, but instead the corpse's face was blue. But days later the authorities received a photo the of the corpse with a cherry-colored face. The reports said Mirna was autopsied, but doctor said they've never done that, they just took samples from the corpse and didn't find anything that indicates she was poisoned by a cyanide. And the expert said if the coffee indeed have that many amounts of cyanide then the people around that coffee should've gone unconcious. They can't counter the statements from the australian doctor so they find a way to deport the doctor back to australia and they got them deported. While Jessica was in jail she was interviewed and said something that got the interviews stopped by a police officer, and after that she can never have an interviews ever again. WTF was that? even a terrorist in that prison can still have an interviews.
Ikr????? And lets not forget about the waitress giving false testimony
And what is up with the dad? And the caffe employees getting their stories straight? Something is so off with this
Not to forget:
the restaurant owner was never summoned to trial, despite it being their CCTV footage being presented at court. In fact, there was almost intentional effort to make people forget about the restaurant owners.
Jessica's maid was also never summoned to trial, despite being the only witness to the 'thrown away pants'
The court room was always full of people livid with 'cries for justice for mirna', turns out those people were actually Mirna's dad's employees, ordered to do so by him.
And as thanks for their assist? Mirna's dad didn't pay their salaries, and eventually fired them without severance pay, and their attempts to sue got blocked by Police, who blatantly say 'it's useless to sue, Mirna's dad is friends with Indonesian Police Head Chief."
Way way too many more points that make this case and the verdict utterly suspect.
you know... those who actually believe Jessica is guilty... they should try dealing with Indonesian Police firsthand. See how things really are. Consider yourself warned.
@@gendoruwo6322the firing happened in 2018 though, alathough the company stopped paying salaries months before that, the case happened in 2016. When I first read ur comment I thought they were fired more or less immediately.
Jealousy is such an ugly feeling. I used to have a friend who always compared herself to me. She slept with a guy I was seeing and got with my ex a week after we split. When I asked why, she said it was the only way to get on up on me after I was always 'better' in every other regard (not my words, I thought she was smart and pretty in her own right). That was the end of the friendship and it fucked me up good for a long time to be betrayed like this. I would absolutely think she'd retaliate if we were in a similar constellation to Mirna and Jessica. It's sad you've gotta be this careful about who your friends are.
This happened to me too...and I'm still healing from it today. I don't have that many friends anymore and I only trust a few... but my "best friend" brought me to a very public cafe, friend dumped, told me how I was such a negative terrible person (I had just gotten out of the hospital a week prior for a suicide attempt), how she didn't want me in her life, etc... but oh my ex, he's so positive that's the type of person she wants in her life. And she also told me she kissed him at a party we both attended, and she slept over at my house that very same night. My ex had also kissed me at this party and I was feeling delusional and hopeful, and so I tell her this in the morning and she goes, you didn't kiss him, that's false... And I said how would you know, you weren't there. She then proceeded to TEXT my ex to clarify the situation...she said oh he didn't mean it, he doesn't want you to get the wrong idea...So when she confronted me at the cafe, she said like oh remember that party, and how I didn't believe you? Oh well that's because he kissed me too. She did this knowing I had still had feelings for him and after being my friend for 6 years.` I was so upset in the moment all I could think about was throwing my hot beverage at her, but I didn't. I got up and walked out, she ran behind me saying it wasn't her fault, that he kissed her etc. And I just said you should have never put yourself in that position.
And so I learned that sometimes in friendships you can become blind to the person's true intention. If you idealize and idolize your friend, you hold them up on a pedestal, so you think there's no way this person would ever betray me? You think so highly of them that them doing something wrong is unfathomable. I loved this girl more than anything and I called her my soul sister... Reflecting back on our friendship I realized how toxic and bitter she had always been, how this was repeat behavior, she had done this to her old friends, her unresolved daddy issues, her constant need to be the center of attention, the way she would talk about her friends/people behind their backs... It was so clearly there the whole time I just couldn't see it.
@@destinyweaver5656sorry to hear about what she did to you... I really wish that you would have thrown that hot beverage straight into her eyes.
Feel good in knowing that you ARE better than her, and she's a self loathing insecure wart.
People like that are not normal. They have strong antisocial traits. Maybe even diagnosable with Antisocial Personality Disorder. A normal person would NEVER hurt a friend like that. Or anyone.
Well might be similar to your case too but I also had a friend who acted to close to me when she wasn't actually "Happy" or "Close" when she's alone with me. I was being left behind every single time she hangs out with other people knowing that she was my "only" friend. Regardless i was able to find different set of people but her thing to use other people as much as she wants (to get me to do her projects and write all the things for her) wasn't easy to prevent... There was also one time where she was also tryna compete with me instead of supporting me completely.
People who would compare themselves to you aren't gonna be the one who'll support you and make you grow, they're gonna tear you down every single time they can. People who always use you to get things they wanted to get, act closely to you whenever they need something aren't real friends.
It's really hard to find real people and I would admit, it's getting pretty lonely not being able to feel that someone is not plastic towards you.
All I can say is that at the beginning its painful to get rid of them but when you start healing and realizing what the fork happened... You are gonna be free from all the pain and you'll think to yourself... "I'm so stupid for valuing the wrong person and I won't be caught up by them again"
again its better to be lonely that to live with someone who makes you feel alone
there's a reason why she only got 20 years, because they COULDN'T really prove that it's her that put the cynide in the coffee. not to mention they did eff up the investigation by not securing the cafe as soon as the crime happened that anyone can go around in that cafe, they didn't even preserve the straw mirna used. i don't say that jessica is guilty/not guilty, but it's just that this case is so tricky, thus the 20 years sentence.
Agreee. There is another pov of this story. Many believed that the whole investigation process and collecting evidence were not done properly. Thats why this case is tricky.
@@TheresiaFeegyit's tricky
Because Jessica is smart
An Indonesian rich elite people and highly educated
@@avioracrown6967 it's money vs money i guess. both are hella rich. if one of them is not as rich the result would definitely be different
In my country someone is either found guilty or not guilty. The length of the sentence should depend on other circumstances such as what was the motive and if the mind of the preperator was clear at that moment. If you have fever and you spontanously kill someone because he has threatend you this will give a shorter sentence than if you plan something in advance and for a more heinous motive. Murder by exotic poison is murder in cold blood and envy is some of the worst possible motives. Combined this two facts should rather command the highest possible range of punishment.
@@CeurComplex I actually red a case about a teen who murdered his friend and got to prison only to be proven innocent 10 years later. Imagine if he got a death penalty. So even if you are found guilty they still have to account the amount of evidence in deciding the punishment, premeditated murder actually have death penalty as a maximum punishment. This is a premeditated murder and they just cant give her life sentence because of the lack of evidence. You could argue that the evidence is plenty/enough, but they just don't have a solid evidence of her putting the the poison in the coffee, like eye witnesses or CCTV footage or her actually putting it in the drink.
I got major chills when you said Jessica visited the master bedroom. The only time you go in there as someone not living in the house is if it is during the tour of a recently bought house, or if you are specifically invited in and told to go there. To be there for any other reason is a huge red flag
I agree completely. My high-school boyfriend, however, would steal weed out of the stash hidden in his father’s dresser; there’s one reason to sneak into an adult’s bedroom. It’s a *bad* reason… but it’s still a reason.
@@Ms_Nightshadeor you were like me and going to your parents candy stash 😂
This is hoaxs
@@adindasist ? Sorry I'm genuinely confused about what you said could you please explain
@@TheOriginalScribbleStudios This is a lot and difficult to explain, the point is that there is no evidence or facts about Jessica entering Mirna and her husband's main room
For those who said that Netflix is siding too much with Jess, i honestly don't think so. The Netflix one was just like loads of new information and the purpose is to show how bad Ind*nesian justice systems are.
I mean, I knew about almost all informations mentioned in this video (from TV and internet at that time), so I didn't surprised at all while watching this. But then, when I was watching the Netflix show few days ago, I found several new informations that I didn't know before, which left me baffled and confused. I don't know which side to trust now, but the only point I definitely agree with is that the trial system was a total mess.
What happened in 2016 was exactly as portrayed in the Netflix documentary; it wasn't manipulated by Netflix. I followed the entire trial on TV with my mother.
Yeaaahh i agree with this. It's not like I dont sympathize for Mirna's dead. But, really... it's sus even from Mirna's dad, the prosecutors too, the polices, the bartenders, the waitress, the cafe managers. The only one person I trust at least did the jobs professionally is Jessica's lawyer. He's very logic, witty, and honest (at least more honest than the others)
She would have benefit of the doubt I guess If a jury is used. That’s is without the media influence.
Also her offence in Australia is more about self harm, and self destruction. Anyway hope she can have a fair retrial
It has always been public knowledge that she was sentenced to 20 years without any evidence, it was never a secret. They just chose to ignore it for years.
it wasn't manipulated and still facts, but it cut a lot of trial facts too.
This is just such a sad case. It's terrible people have to watch out who they call their "friends" these days. Thank you for sharing this story.
People have *always* had to be careful of who they call their "friends". It's not a "nowadays" thing, humans have always fucking sucked.
@@sleepy-emeraldexactly. I’m not sure where people get this “these days” business.
Well, betrayal is coming from your friend or people you trust. Not your enemy.
@@CA-vy8et I’m very aware it’s not just a current issue and never claimed it’s only something of recent times. My use of “these days” was more just implying that it is unfortunate that it is still something that people have to watch out for presently and likely in the future as well.
Not only theses days
27:01 Hearing about how their dad doted on all his daughters really touched me. Sandy losing her twin must hurt so bad.
33:26 The prayers at the café were so moving.
35:49 I really respect Debbie for being so vigilant.
Rest in peace Mirna. 🕊️
Well they're happy to receive the death insurance of Mirna (Rp 68b)
You sure her dad doted on his daughter? He is a playboy and fuck lot of young women 😂😂
One thing my parents always told me is never accept a drink that isn't closed or served in front of your eyes, and also, when u serve someone, serve it where they can see u
It's just so sad because of course you'll be on guard if it's a drink at a club or something...but your friend buying you a coffee in the middle of the afternoon at a crowded cafe?
@@EmeraldAshesAudiolet’s be honest, Jessica was at best a frenemy. It would have been one hell of a poker read if mirna said “you know, I’m just not feeling like drinking this today.” And stared into Jessica’s soul after that. If only.
Even sealed package could still be compromised using syringe.
This person (the commentator) She is such a good story teller, the way she is so animated & makes the story easy to understand BRAVO!!
truly a heartbreaking case, Jessica seemed to be such a toxic person in general, I truly dislike people who make themselves out as victims in every situation. She claimed Patrick was the toxic one, when she literally was the one who threatened him with her life if he tried to break things off with her and than claimed she was having “all these bad things “ happening to her when someone literally died due to her jealousy, such a horrible person I have 0 sympathy for her at all.
😮 I hope patrick is okay :(
Exactly! After I heard she wanted to off her life BCS of the fight with Patrick, I knew she is the problem.
Covert narcissists are honestly the worst
i don't care what anyone else says i think this is probably the only respectful true crime channel i've seen, the way stephanie talks about the victims of these horrible crimes shows genuine empathy and reverence. it's also great to work with local people when investigating, it makes such a difference! i just found this channel recently but i'm learning a lot so thank you
If you’re looking for another true crime RUclipsr Kendall Rae is also great! She often works with victims of the family and donates the revenue from her videos or other merch to either the families or an organization that helps combat human trafficking.
@@coolio4843 she’s my mom’s favorite youtuber so i hear kendall a lot in our house 😂 (i’m 23 and live with her don’t judge)
I was wondering why there were so many "Stephanie is part of the problem!" videos. Stephanie is the only one I've seen that talks about victims outside of them being victims like "He held the record for most rolled cars in the family" so he's not just a guy who got murdered, he's a person and this is who he was before this terrible thing happened to him.
@@katrinascarlet5637 i tear up watching almost every video, stephanie really humanizes the victims and puts way more emphasis on their previous lives and loved ones. compared to the youtubers who romanticize or joke about the attackers most of the time
@@katrinascarlet5637 that would be because she do mukbang videos while telling true crime stories and makes sexual jokes with her fiance and joke around with her friends while telling stories. that is why everyone is calling her a part of problem because even though she 'fakes' her tears and quivery voice while narrating stories now, she once used to be so insensitive. she was once telling the story about a minor being abducted or something while eating and joking about her sexy her husbands arm muscles were. it was so bad to the point a victims family had to beg her to take down the videos for years (?) which led to her taking down many videos because that was how huge the backlash was
Only Stephanie can be in the process of getting married yet continue to post almost EVERYDAY! Thank you so much Steph and congratulations on your wedding ❤
She’s already married like to 2 weeks ago 💀
@@beanbeadlolp8361why are you people so miserable, all we’re saying is that she’s just married and yet she’s posting regularly 💀
@@만두선 I’m not miserable I’m just stating the truth ur the the miserable one
@@만두선exactly …
Agree, congrats for getting married Stephanie and thanks for your hard work ❤
hey steph, if you didn't know netflix just released a docu-series about this case. it turns out that none of the evidence are solid evidence, and that jessica only MIGHT have been the killer. now that i've seen the docu-series, i feel that everything that happened on trial was made to frame jessica. i would love to hear about your opinions about it and maybe do an update about the case too!
That Netflix documentary was just trying to make Jessica look innocent. Why would she be smiling after she lost her dear friend which she hadn't seen in a while.
@nomfumdovilakazi4300 i'm not saying she's innocent, but it certainly was suspicious. the docu-series definitely put in a new perspective and i think that something bigger might be behind this case. it doesn't make sense that mirna's family refused autopsy when they suspected that mirna ingested cyanide, not to mention that the forensics never found traces of the cyanide within the first 70 minutes of her death and then 3 days later they suddenly found a small amount of it? with the amount they originally stated in the coffee, it should've made jessica pass out just by the smell of it and possibly kill the other friend too bc she tasted the coffee a bit.
yep, and another wierd thing is that mirna's dad was once interviewed and he blatantly admitted he had the tube of cynaide, but when the interview repeated his answer and questioned it, he made up excuses
@@fellezsa exactly!! it was so weird
@@be_mysunrise I understand what you are saying. She must be one unlucky person because that circumstantial evidence against her is a lot and too much of a coincidence. I'd still convict her even after that Netflix documentary.
The narrative they tried to bring that the ugly are always vilified while the one's considered pretty need to be saved is the very same reason Jess killed her friend. Jealousy, insecurities and society projecting.
I feel like she's actually feeling better now that she's on trial because before she got dumped and her friends moved away and nobody paid attention to her but now she's getting interviewed and everybody knows who she is so she's probably ecstatic over this.
I bet
damn i never thought of it this way.. she really was somehow 'enjoying' the investigation. i remember thinking, "why are you all smiling this is your trial" but never thought the answer would be because she enjoyed the fact that she was now the center of the attention
@@twelvexx8586probably because the deed has been done
@@twelvexx8586 some attention in the wrong way already makes them feel popular yet bad aswell....
for negative thing she had made, it's hard for us however to ignore her...
that's what she think it's "good" for her own self...
😂your comment seems delusional
This was a story covered by Stephanie before when she was still doing mukbangs and telling true crime stories at the same time. But this version is more detailed now. Thank you stephanie!
20 years is just too ridiculous. The death penalty would’ve been pointless, since she attempted to off herself many times in the past. Life in prison would’ve been perfect for Jessica, and it would have suited her well.
On another note- I love Stephanie’s crime stories. She has a knack at revealing these horrendous realities that happen throughout the world without leaving us traumatized and plagued by countless nightmares. I personally can better digest (and learn from) these true-life horrors when they come from her. A truly gifted storyteller.
The thing is with giving the death penalty to people like Jessica- is that they won't learn their lesson. Jessica should have gotten life in prison without parole and when she died- Mirna's parents, sister, and husband should stomp on Jessica's ashes. That's what I think she deserved, but she only got a slap on the wrist, 20 years my @ss.
Saw a comment say that the reason she only got 20yrs is because there was no concrete evidence pointing to Jessica since she did not confess or even find her in contact of the cyanide..all the prosecutors had were public opinions and a record of her mental issues, but still she should have gotten like 100yrs or something!!
As Indonesian myself, as much as I know, 20 years is maximum. After that is death penalty. The problem is that the physical evidences are circumstancial. So, that's why it's not death penalty.
@@Idk-raindropsunfortunately some people never/will never learn the lessons we want them to :(
Wow I was wondering what it was about her story telling that I was so intrigued by and I’ve watched many crime stories for the last 25 years that always scared and Stephanie’s stories never leave me scared but still so interesting to listen to. This is exactly it:
hi stephanie and viewers alike! i returned to this vid after i watched the netflix documentary. i’m an indonesian who followed this case in real time as i was laying weak hospitalized, so i could recall some of the abnormalities.
the netflix documentary “Ice Cold” is about this case. while over the years people have been telling stories from mirna’s family’s side, we indonesians never really got to know what it was like from the “other” sides.
there are not only satirical scenes (like highlighting how public sees this as entertainment, even having a crush on a prosecutor), it also had some “hints” in the documentary, very very slyly put in the show. some experts (even professors in my uni) used to say “it’s weird how this is so big. there must be… there must be someone.”
they kept hinting at people working in the shadows for a motive greater than what we can comprehend. some indonesians already figured out the “hints”, the authority who handled this case, and now it’s even more devastating because it’s not as black and white as previously.
the main key here is the prosecutors saying “if J is innocent, then it’s over for our image.”
and the last line saying
Indonesia needs to have justice system reformation, because anybody can be sitting on the hot seat for something as confusing as this.
without decreasing my respect for the deceased (i know she was a bright person with bright future), i truly think the court needs to bring this case up to light again.
it was a shame that the husband and hanie weren’t interviewed though, nor did we get an info on how J behaved with fellow prisoners. For the former, i think they just simply weren’t ready to talk about this case again, esp when it’s been almost a decade ever since then. I hope whoever got hurt by this case would heal.
I watched the documentary yesterday on Netflix. OK. I don't want to involve in her judgement. But kind of feels like she had been treated unfairly. Wondering why she can't be interviewed
@@lilahalila8743 me too and i think the highlight of the documentary wasn’t whether it was leaning to the victim’s or J’s side, but it provided insights that were brushed aside and also led to the conclusion that regardless J killed her or not, the trials were unfair
@@myradake yes. And I think that is what the producer try to achieve. To get bigger picture of this case. I am fan of true crime documentaries. And every documentary produced includes both victim and perpetrators side of story. Like what u had written, there always 2 sides of the stories. It doesn't mean showing support. She already serving her time. Sorry if my English is bad..
@@lilahalila8743 you stated your thoughts and opinions well! thank you for replying to me 💖 have a nice day
The documentary was very interesting, it gave another point of view that stephanie didn't cover(no hate, I love stephanie)
Hi an Australian here 👋🏼 I just wanted to say that it is very common and culturally acceptable/kinda expected to say “I love you” to really close friends. We are a very expressive country so I don’t doubt that they may have adopted this on their time abroad. Also there is a popular saying that goes “I’m so happy I could kiss you”, don’t know if that is what was meant, but it’s definitely something I’ve heard alot growing up around friends/family
I was looking to see if someone from Australia explained this! I’m American and I also interpreted it as most likely “I’m so happy I could kiss you” usually there’s an eek or ahh before and written definitely makes it look a little weird. Depending on where you’re from in the US saying “love you” is also common, usually when saying goodbye though. I don’t usually hear the “I” added unless it’s a loved one, but “love you” is thrown around all the time platonically. It definitely seems to not only be a cultural thing, but linguistically it doesn’t exactly translate. Especially not when inflection of a language is interpreted differently. Do you find that “curse” words are sometimes used almost friendly? Since some of the Australian expressions are interpreted similarly, I’m curious! It definitely also depends on who you’re talking to haha I wouldn’t say “love you bitch/asshole” to my parents, but would to my siblings or close friends and occasionally when my dog is a dickhead, I playfully say it haha.
True
I guess that explains it because they've been to Australia
Even though you've already covered this case, it's nice to hear a deep dive of it. My heart still goes out to Mirna's family and loved ones. And I hope Jessica is having a hard time in prison because I'm sure she doesn't feel sorry for what she did. 20 years is not enough.
She needs life out of jealousy She had her life taken by her 4 year relationship "friend" this is so sad she had her whole life ahead of her kids if she was still alive Jessica is so savage for planing this she is the definition of the devil 😭😓😮😡
It's crazy cause there are a million girls for the murderer to be jealous of. She didn't even know mirna up until that point in her life. It was mirnas unfortunate fate for her to be in her murderers life
Omg okay I thought I was crazy and thought it was a new case but was damn sure I remember watching a mukbang she did about it lolol
@@beckyboo6166
Yes, OMG! I was having deja vu and felt so crazy because I thought I have heard about this story before and even told by Stephanie.
I don't remember the mukbang, so you knwo which video it was?
recently started listening to this podcast and its amazing especially on how stephanie humanizes the victims unlike some sources who just glaze over who they were but she goes deep into their life and personality its amazing. keep it going stephanie and hope your wedding is amazing
Yes!! She’s one of my absolute favorite crime tellers, bc she goes into such good detail not just ab the murder but ab the victim(s), and murderer too. And she’s not ‘nice’ when detailing ab the murderers either like some ppl try to give somewhat excuses like oh bad childhood, abused whatever . like idc TONS of ppl go thru trauma and don’t do what these people do . tons of ppl have mental health issues and don’t do what these ppl do .
@@jassmerrill6785that's would be fine if the accused can be proven to be guilty beyond any reasonable doubt, which is not the case here as to this day we have no way of knowing the victim's actual cause of death since the family refused autopsy
She does a sloppy job with the research though. Like how she claimed the insurance was not claimed by anyone for example. How she glossed over the fact that there's no evidence that the death is caused by cyanide poisoning.
@@richhornie7000 i dont think she's the one doing the research since she has different people depending on where the case is from so it could have been lost in translation
@@ace4353 damn so she didn't even do the research. That sounds even worse, not gonna lie.
I met Mirna a few times. She was like the perfect girl: pretty, rich and very nice.
I'm 18 minutes into the video, and their friendship sounds exactly like my relationship with my former best friend. The similarities are actually kind of scary. And, I have to admit, I was the Jessica in the situation. It's just hard when you're close for a long time (we were friends from HS, then went to college together, and remained friends for years after that), and then one person is engaged and doing well and the other is struggling. We were best friends, inseparable, for at least a decade, and I wasn't invited to her wedding. I mean, that's a big deal. Once she started dating the man that is now her husband, she kind of tossed me aside. I had my struggles and I think my life was too "messy" for her to deal with. On the rare occasion when she could make time for me, she was always with him. Literally...Every single time. Eventually, I realized that the friendship was over.
But it's just like you said, we thought we'd be besties forever and raise our kids together, and then our life paths just went in different directions. Sometimes that happens and it sucks but you have to learn to move on. And you should know that it's a pretty common thing. I'm thinking how creepy it is that our stories are similar, but there are probably other people who have been through the same thing. Friends grow apart, and you both may end up very hurt and angry, but you don't kill each other! My God! We haven't spoken in years and I'm still hurt by the situation, but I wish her nothing but the best. At one point we did meet up for coffee to try to work things out, but no poison was involved. We ended up getting into an argument and said some mean things to each other, but at no point did I think, "I'm going to murder her." We just stopped speaking.
I can't even imagine what was going through Jessica's mind. Talk about unhinged. 😳
Wow my relationship with my former friend exactly sounds like yours. But I’m much happier after cutting her off from my life
I went to University in Australia and 2 of my besties were wealthy Indonesian students, so I’m familiar with the dynamics. I think the fact that they were away from home might have played a role. It’s a common occurrence for friends or couples to become extremely attached bc students have no family around, myself included. I can see how that friendship turned into an over-involved and toxic one, specially considering Jessica was more introverted, she probably didn’t have many friends.
Sounds creepy
Yeah same story with mine as if I am not good enough to be that couple's friend. But, i dont care 😂 I moved on with my own path. I'm a person who is independent and easily cut people off when they started to treat me less but for the ppl who treat me right; I will do even more.
I had the same relationship with my HS best friend, I had a huge crush on her too, which was probably more of a teenage admiration turned into obsession..it's so crazy to hear this story since my name is Jessica too, and I understood how she must have felt, driving into a nursing home while drunk, attempting suicide and self harm, Stephanie says she doesn't get it, but I do. I understand it very well. I never did any of those things, but I understand the desire to do things like that out of sheer frustration of things out of your control.
I had to stay in the same room with my best friend while she and her boyfriend made out on the bed next to me. I should be thankful I never felt the murderous intent, I just wanted her to be happy since I've all but given up on any sort of romantic relationship with her.
I know Jessica is like the most common feminine name in English, but still..it was weird to listen to this one
I’ve had some falling out with friends, but I’ve never once ever thought about hurting them , or killing them . Especially just because they had a healthy relationship, or were doing better than me .
Well congratulations for being a normal human i guess 😐
it scary it like why have friends
I’ve thought ab hurting a couple of my ex friends . only like punching em in they shit a couple times for doing me how they did me but never kill 😮 it’s never that serious (in a friendship fall out - in other circumstances I believe murder/death is warranted sometimes)
@@mercyosazenaye3587Most people are decent and good.
I literally dumped all the other True Crime RUclipsrs for Stephanie. Cant get enough! I love how she begins from the end then takes us through the events.
Her amazing storytelling skills
Me too her way of speaking is so captivating and I like how she goes in depth of the people involved, the culture around them and the public
I love that you cover international true crime cases, which we don't necessarily hear about in the US.
@Bro15263
What about the footage from the café? The bags were obviously to block the view. I've used the trick myself, for non nefarious purposes.
I also love hearing the non western abd international stories.
@Bro15263😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Same!!!!
I know right she should cover Africa crimes too
Mirna’s father gave 140 million rupiah to the barista who made the coffee. Mirna's father also admitted that there was cyanide in his house during interview with Netflix. He is full of mistery😮
Mirna's father refused an autopsy on Mirna's body. He bribed police, prosecutors, judges, witnesses😮
I don’t know by watching Netflix series and hy watching this video I have a gut feeling her father took his daughter life. I don’t know why but I have this feeling. As even in the series he have been saying that Jessica should react a certain way or cry. God knows but still it is a unsolved mystery
Why would he admit that is he for real?
@@mariakhan1084 what if he used Jessica to lure Mirna to the cafe?
@@kangarif9166 a lot of people don’t want their loved ones to be cut in pieces and just rest in peace that does not make them guilty of anything, people keep talking but there is no motive for him to kill his own daughter.
All these stories are extremely sad and I’m honestly so happy that Stephenie is bringing light to these cases ❤❤
That cafe manager managed the situation pretty well. She could have thought any time soon that there was possibly an error in their kitchen and threw out the evidence, but she decided to have the drink stored well and labeled.
oh my god, hearing the cafe patrons started praying for her just broke my heart 😭
so many points in this video are totally wrong based on the evidence presented in trials:
1. Jessica is not the one who invited to meet up, nor is she the who presented the idea to meet up at Olivier. Mirna was the one who setup a group WA chat for meetup and the one who suggested to meetup at Olivier was her friend.
2. She did not offer to pay for drinks. she was ASKING what their friends want to order. Mirna replied that she likes the iced coffee there. Therefore, Jessica purchased.
3. She did not order the drink at 3.30. She was only making reservation for 4pm because their meetup time was supposed to be 4pm. But her friends were extremely late, which is very typical Indonesian.
4. Jessica was meant to meetup with her 3 friends. Mirna, Hani and Vera. Vera was late. She was buying soaps for her 3 friends. is that weird? no.
5. CCTV footage is most likely has been tampered and raised by the IT expert during the trial. Disagreed? check out Ferdy Sambo’s case to show you that is possible. Oh, FYI - Ferdy Sambo was the lead police officer for Jessica’s case. And he was convicted for premediated murder in 2022 and telling lies during trials.
and many more of wrong information in this video…
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Bro that post tells me you are a delusional conspiracist.😂😂😂
I feel so bad for her family, but mostly her twin… I’m a twin myself and I too, lost my sister, but my sister took her own life. Losing a twin is such a unique pain not many people are unfortunate enough to feel… and autopsies are VERY invasive. Most of my family including me were in another state when we got the news so it took us a bit of time to get there and she was a donor. We asked if they could wait so we could see her body but they couldn’t bc again, she was a donor. When we got there, they said we wouldn’t want to see her after the autopsy. Not to be gruesome, but the sever the head from the body and a bunch of other stuff, her eyes were donated even, so she didn’t have those either. I was so sad I didn’t get that final goodbye before we had her cremated… so I totally understand not wanting an autopsy unless absolutely necessary.. like she said, they’re incredibly invasive. I’m glad she got justice
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I can not tell you I know how you feel because I never will, not being a twin.
I did however lose my best friend of 32years when she made the same decision as your sister several years ago. 😮
So I do understand the very particular kind of grief that comes with this.
Because your sister, being a human of true charity as a donor- has ensured there's a little bit of her helping others to live a better life.
That to me is a real achievement.
Leaving this world a better place because you were here🕊🌹
Poor Arif. All he wanted was to be happy with his wife. I hope good things are happening to him.
I've been obsessed with true crime since I was a child...my dad was a detective for our local police unit. He raised my brothers and I with his knowledge in the world around us. He taught us to always be aware of our surroundings, always order our own drinks and keep an eye on them, never let them out of your sight. He gave us tips on surviving dangerous situations man made or natural...man made being shootings or gang attacks.
Hearing how Jessica requested the girls drink orders so she could order them, right away that pegged me as peculiar. My response would've been, "I really don't know what I'll be in the mood for when I get there, thank you anyway".
Let's say she still ordered me something, thanks to my dad and mom instilling in me a major distrust for everyone, I'd have taken a sniff first and then the tiniest of sips first. I'm just that suspicious of people I don't fully trust and that list is very small.
My heart goes out to Mirna's family. Jessica deserves to be poisoned as well, make her experience the same pain as Mirna did.
That’s great advice! “
Dont know what I want yet!”
Perfect non threatening response.
Thank you
I get what you're saying but sometimes even untrusting people can slip up, let down their guard down and still take that drink without checking
actually taking group orders when you are the first to arrive is kinda normal in Indonesia, especially in Jakarta. Everyone does it especially going to establishment like Olivier or any in mall restaurants (most Jakarta Malls are kinda fancy) and the waiters usually prefers if we order ahead and usually asked for it. Granted 90 minutes early and suddenly went somewhere is very odd.
Yeah don't any how drink esp. Free beverage
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Please update this video. Your source/researcher didn’t deliver. Since the release of the Ice Cold documentary on Netflix, the case become trending again in Indonesia, your subscribers/audiences should know that Indonesia’s justice system and law enforcement institutions are corrupt and Jessica’s trial wasn’t fair.
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Thats trueee cause mirna case about to reopen again
Mirna sounds like such a lovely person. Condolences to her sisters and father and mother and husband and her actual real friends! And rest of her family too ofc. Just wow.. taken way too soon. May she rest in peace and be remembered forever.
I still remember thinking how Jessica's actions prior (and after) the incident was completely absurd, and hearing it in details years later is still very bone-chilling. How did she remain so calm planning for a murder in broad daylight, IN PUBLIC?
Calmness can be a sign of lack of emotions aka primary psychopathy. Many people put the label psychopath on any person that behaves somehow agressive or mean but this is simply wrong.
She could be a bit of freaky but hard to say she was a murder
Sociopath?
@@CeurComplexjust because people like psychopath, doesn't mean they kill people..
This will definitely be difficult for you to understand because there are many strange things in Indonesian law.
Please understand if English is difficult to understand because I use translate
Here are the facts that I can explain:
1. Jessica arrived early to avoid the 3 in 1 (traffic jams in Jakarta are extraordinary)
2. They agreed to meet at 4, Jessica sent a juice menu to the group and Mirna replied that she liked Vietnamese iced coffee, then Jessica offered to buy it for her then the coffee came at 4.15. Mirna unexpectedly arrived late
3. The table was not chosen by Jessica, but by the cafe waitress
4. Jessica is not monitoring CCTV, but there she is looking for a waiter who guides her to make the payment first
5. When Mirna had a seizure and was referred to the nearest clinic, the victim's husband came to the location and did not allow the doctor to treat her first, he took Mirna to the hospital using a private car without an ambulance (this was very fatal)
6. 70 minutes after Mirna died, cyanide experts found no cyanide in Mirna's stomach and no symptoms of cyanide poisoning. However, 3 days after death and a sample was taken (not an autopsy), it was found to be 0.2 mlg/l (it was not fatal, it could have been due to decomposition of the corpse)
7. There is no evidence that Jessica put poison
8. There were no witnesses who saw Jessica put the poison. There is no evidence that Jessica possessed poison and purchased poison
9. Evidence that the coffee that Mirna drank was no longer original and the glass had been moved.
10. Many experts say that CCTV evidence is suspected to have been doctored. The CCTV was not taken from the DVR but from a flash disk directly and the video had been cut into pieces
11. 14 reports in Australia are not criminal cases. But it was a report of a lost wallet, his girlfriend's worries, his boss's worries and an accident
12. The rumor that Jessica threatened to kill her boss is a LIE, she never said anything like that. It is suspected that her boss didn't like Jessica because she left her job which made it difficult for her boss
13. The judge and public prosecutor at the trial always emphasized Jessica when giving testimony, even the expert witness at the trial from Jessica's attorney was shouted at in a high pitched voice. When Jessica was still being questioned she was forced to admit to an act she did not commit. If he admits he will only be sentenced to 7 years but will not be sentenced to death. It is suspected that they have engineered this case and are suspected of having been bribed by certain parties so that nothing will lighten Jessica's sentence.
14. Someone who previously worked on this case is in prison. This person had committed premeditated murder against his aide. he threatened the police that if he was sentenced to death he would expose the police's rottenness in the cyanide coffee case. (This is very odd, isn't it? It seems true that the coffee cyanide case was engineered)
15. There was a legal expert witness from the public prosecutor at the trial who was caught in a bribery case
16. The judge who sentenced Jessica violated the judge's code of ethics
17. The evidence submitted by Jessica's attorney to the judge and prosecutor that Jessica did not poison the coffee was not seen and was not considered at all by the public prosecutor
18. Jessica was proven guilty based only on the judge's assumptions and beliefs.
19. Mirna's family is thought to have spent a lot of money to cover the mouths of people who said Jessica was not the perpetrator
20. In Indonesia, no money, no justice, no viral, no justice, bribery is a very common thing. because people who don't have money can be made scapegoats or not be prosecuted
21. Jessica acts calm and unemotional because she doesn't want to see her mother sad, because if Jessica is seen crying in public her mother will cry too. Jessica's family is very closed to journalists. Basically, Jessica prioritized her family's feelings because at that time her father had undergone treatment
22. he was arrested at the hotel not because he was evading arrest. He avoided journalists who were always in front of Jessica's house which made it difficult for his family to buy food.
After the Netflix documentary was broadcast, many officials threatened those who spoke about this case. There are officials who are trying to cover up this case and are trying to take down videos that discuss the irregularities in this case. This is very strange, why are they trying to cover it up so that this case won't be reopened?
This may be strange to hear 🤣but in Indonesia many fortune tellers say Jessica is innocent and coffee is not poisonous. They said Mirna died of chronic stomach disease
Now there are 3,800 lawyers who will help Jessica get justice pro-bono. "It is better to free 1000 guilty people than to convict 1 innocent person"
Aa thank you Stephanie for posting this. This case was so famous in Indonesia, and some of Indonesian even kinda scared to drink coffee on coffeeshop back then.
Btw congrats for the wedding and both of you always be happy❤
being in a relationship with a narcissist is the level of pain i could never forget. being around someone who thought the world evolve around them is more than exhausting
I definitely think she did it. There is too much suspicious activity that was caught. Moving bags slowly. The order of drinks. Not tasting it. Her hands. My gut says she did it out of anger for not going to the wedding.
What a horrible way to go. Rip merna 🕊️✨🙏🏽
Its quite obvious it is her who did it but without the actual footage of the cynaide being put ig it cant be implmeneted
This is the most dramatic cases in Indonesia, it's sooo unfathomable how much the twist and turn. The things is HOW CONFIDENT Jessica was in the trial. I was 16 when watching this trial and it wass soooo sacry how to see ppl could do this to HER OWN "FRIEND"
She's off to get married and she still dishes out content. I am so grateful and so amazed by her work ethic. You are our bestie Stephanie❤❤❤
I was shocked after watching the netflix documentary
I didn't know there was actually no lethal dose of cyanide found in the victim's lab test (also how the family refused a full autopsy so they couldn't even detect how the organs would've looked like if they were truly damaged by cyanide)
Jessica's verdict conclusion was mainly by how she is psychologically and her past offenses instead of factual evidences on the scene
Just watched it, tbh (not to be insensitive) the dad was a bit sus
Yes, the prosecuters refused all experts witness testimony on each their expert fields. Instead, they believe face reader expert 😭
the trial and evidence was handled soooo poorly imo. im honestly surprised Jessica was convicted. she easily could’ve “gotten away” (im not saying she’s innocent or guilty but there was no hard evidence)
There is circumstantial evidence as well.
Yeah!!
I’m indonesian and i followed the case, there’s some points stated that i’ve never heard before but maybe because of stephanie’s story telling skill it may sounds like believable. First, jessica was mirna’s best friend that mirna’s family know of and they believed she’s not the culprit behind mirna’s murder, they even defended her in media at the beginning and that all accusations was directed to mirna’s husband as way to cover up cheating allegation (with hani or with the twin) and insurance benefit. Second, before the cyanide examination came out, mirna’s family still defended jessica but later they put suspicion on jessica cuz on the day of mirna’s funeral she gave rather strange consolation message to mirna’s father saying “mirna cantik ya oom” which means “mirna is pretty, isn’t she uncle?” While looking at mirna’s open cascette, smiling. It gave chills to mirna’s dad and that started the lesbian unrequited love allegation. Later when jessica was put into trial for the murder she used the rumors about cheating and insurance to put the blame on mirna’s husband and father and claiming that she’s innocent and that she’s dragged into their murder plot but it soon backfired at her as police found the jeans she wore at the crime scene in the dumpster (it’s not burned) with cynide trace on it at her house. The case was so famous that a small business owner made use of its fame for promoting his instant coffee product called kopi jessica with jessica’s picture in it 😅
Bukannya jeansnya belum ditemuin ya? Makanya buktinya ga kuat buat jatuhin dia hukuman mati😯
bapaknya mirna pernah bilang kalo mereka nggak terlalu dekat
justru karena jeansnya ga ditemukan jadi bukti yang kuat kalo si jesika ngebuang barang bukti. kalau di jeansnya jesika ada sianida ya ga perlu sidang berjilid jilid. Kalau gua pelakunya, gua udah buang itu jeans yg ada bkas sianida karena ada sianida & sidik jari gua disana@@doremi1130
Wouldnt mrnas family know jessica is the main culprit from her obviously guilty actions of ordering drinks ahead of time and using three bags to cover up what she js doing to the drinks from the sec camera lol
Komentar paling halu. Kok semua poinnya bertentangan sama sumber2 lain. Sejak kapan keluarga Mirna bela Jessica? Sejak kapan tuh celana ketemu?
I’m a relatively new subscriber. You just showed up on my feed one day and I’m so glad. You are the consummate professional and very personable. I’ve enjoyed each video that I’ve seen so far. You present cases that everyone else has missed. What a delightful and thoughtful channel. Thank you so very much! Have a truly blessed day!
im an indonesian and this case actually brings indonesian citizens to a lot of questions bc there were a lot of inconsistencies and odd things in this case. for example many still dont know that mirna's body didnt go through autopsy, so how did the judge know it was due to cyanide. it was later found that the cyanide is on the cup and not the coffee but this fact was not brought up, it was said that the percentage of cyanide found in the victim shouldnt have been enough to kill her
and also jessica's booked table actually wasnt in that spot, their table in the footage was booked for an official beforehand, however for some reason it was canceled
what? really??
@@shahanaparveen2413 yupp, the 1% of ppl who believed jessica wasnt the murderer increased after the documentary came out. a lot of suspicion was put on mirna's father bc he was the one who didnt allow mirna's body to undergo autopsy. there were also other things that i forgot but it involved some medical prescription that mirna took, when asked to bring it in to be investigated, her dad said its gone n she has taken it all, n when they found the doctor who gave the prescription, for some reason, the doctor was replaced w another one right after. idk what ppl outside of indonesia think ab this case, but a looot of indonesian tiktokers start voicing their opinions that jessica wasnt the murderer. this used to be a big case in indonesia, many law students in universities studied this case, but yeah. theres still a lot of doubt within indonesians. theres also a theory that the prescriptions might indicate that mirna suffers from gerd, and maybe she didnt eat anything beforehand n drank the coffee hence the reaction. person who embalmed mirna's body even said that there were no signs of cyanide going into the bloodstream and it was not found in the liver, the internal organs werent red. those are crucial signs of cyanide poisoning. however instead, it was found her lips and fingertips were blue which indicates the cause of death is something else. there was an interview for this ive got the video
Also saw the netflix documentary, and more question arises, like cyanide was not even found on the body within within 48 hours in the body. and Mirna was turning blue, not red when she died. ( when you die of cyanide poisoning, you turn red )
@@gracesierra-v8fso it still could be book by her then she cancel it. She probably do the scooping for like a week before tho. Seeing which seat are the best for the crime to happen. Then she booked it herself so no people gonna take the table
as someone who has a twin sister that im very close with, i don’t know what i would do if something happened to her. i hope sandy is doing well ❤
I can imagine if I had a twin brother too in this ruthless world 🌍
Thank you Stephanie Soo!
I used to avoid listening and watching to crime stories but with the way you approach these horrible crimes, for me comes across as more about the humanity of the victims and their families rather than the terrible crime itself. Now I’m addicted!
May you and your hubby have all that your hearts desire as you embark on this wonderful journey called marriage ❤️
This young lady is a powerhouse! Still keeping her channels updated even during her wedding celebrations
Again. Im indonesian and I followed this case during the time it went viral. After watching the Netflix documentary i KNOW why this video irks me. You commented on this case just like majority netizens in indonesia at the time. You were just dead set on Jessica as the villain for motive that is weak at best, fictional at worst. You just want to see this whole thing as black and white and that's it. Someone just has to be the villain and putting the blame on Jessica is too easy. Also, disliking someone based on their personality (aloof, no tears, not emphatic, not showing emotions) are just wrong. Just because its not the norm doesn't immediately makes it a bad thing.
Why did she burn her clothes by the way?! Who burned their clothes after they wore it? She must have something to hide.
Yeah, right. I seriously don't like the way this girl delivers the story. It sounds too much like she hates J, as if she was there and knows them personally.
@@tvken3438it was thrown away,not burnt
@@tvken3438dont add stuff up. She didnt burnt it. She threw it away AFTER her housekeeper asked her what to do with her torn pants.
@@tvken3438the better question is, why didn't she just wash that thing. Sounds really dumb to throw it rather than just wash it if she wanted to get rid of the evidence.
Thank you stephanie for sharing news outside of the u.s, and thank you for shining lights on these cases.
Youre such a hardworking woman, i hope you are taking care of yourself too❤
is it just me or her voice is so comforting and it just feels as if she will be there for you🥰
Super comforting
Not only you me too-
same
Very sweet person.
She is amazing her voice,her personality,how she tells stories ❤
This is absolutely heartbreaking. This is why it's hard for many people to trust others and not even want to communicate and stick to themselves. I hope she's resting now 💙😭 I swear jealousy sucks, some people let jealousy control them and they do the most CRAZY things as a result 😭
Edit: Also congratulations Stephanie 💙🥺💙
Agreed, unfortunately like in this case. 😔
They asked the president of Indonesia to try and reopen the case.
I think everyone in this case are suspicious, Indonesia is the country where money always wins. So you can’t really trust anybody in this situation. But I’ll always feel bad for the husband, he deserves better.
I don’t know if you’ve covered African cases before but it would be interesting to hear you talk about the Senzo Meyiwa case, centred around a famous South African soccer player whose death is shrouded in mystery and conspiracy. There’s a great documentary about it on Netflix.
what’s the documentary called?
I’m Indonesian and this case has always been a mystery to all of us. We always have unanswered questions. THANK YOU SOOO MUCH for covering this case. Sending you love from Indonesia! 🇮🇩
I really habe no words for indonesian people who think that this case is still a mystery, while a whole world can easily know that jesica is the culpirt.. why are they still asking who the killer is and think this case is still a mystery when Jessica's movements are clearly visible from the CCTV.. it's clear that Jessica is the culprit.. she ordered the coffee, she was the one who covered the coffee so as not to be seen putting poison into Mirna's coffee, she was the one who burned her clothes after the incident.. this case is not a mystery at all..
@@DS-vy1xj and a lot of them still saying Jessica is innocent☹ i see a lot of comment in youtube video that are showing about this case and most of them still defending her even after 7 years. ruclips.net/video/VZLWjZLAYHY/видео.htmlsi=W6F-zeVp2z0aOEtO like this one. Disgusting😔
@@DS-vy1xj maybe he meant a mystery why Jessica could do something like that to her own friend. and also the news doesn't tell everything, even when the case happened it took a long time for the police to be really sure that Jessica was the perpetrator, so that's how it is
@@DS-vy1xjwhich Indonesians are you talking about? Because the majority of Indonesians already know Jessica is the murderer. The true motive behind is what remains a mystery because there are too many rumors surrounding it.
Huh? It's already being cleared the whole things. One thing for sure it is jealousy, the finally straw that triggered is not being invited to the wedding.
I can still remember this case as bright as a day. I enjoyed going to Grand Indonesia mall a.k.a the place this tragedy took place. Even months after the case happened, people still talked about it everywhere, pointed their fingers to the restaurant saying things like "isnt it the place where that girl was poisoned?" This was a huge case. Praying for Wayan Mirna and her family
Came back here after watching the documentary. I found it weird at first when she asked what did you put into the coffee to the manager but mirna was clearly showing her unpleasantness after she sipped the coffee right? she was like its awful something along those lines, which means it's understandable if jessica asked such a qn to the manager because she clearly saw mirna complaining about the taste of the coffee. she wasn't trying to shift the blame or accuse her
Yeah!
Except she arrives an hour and a half early and orders the drinks
@@mx.n.3682 It's funny how everyone here is swallowing this story. They lied.
All the official police reports (which is where rotten mango likely got this info from) is 100% doctored. Many people were bribed and paid to keep a tight seal on this case. The trial was a mess and pure chaos. Netflix does better at providing UNBIASED evidence.
Even Indonesian citizens knew this was clear involvement of police corruption and the family conspired or covered something up. Also the husband was INCREDIBLY sus and never looked into.
Consider these corrections to the evidence and ask yourself, are you just eating up this story like an obedient dog?
#1 - Jessica arrived early to avoid the massive traffic jams
#2 - they agreed to meet at 4
#3 - Mirna arrived unexpectedly late
#4 ‐ Jessica did not pick the table the café waitress did
#5 - The CCTV footage used is not the original and was "cut up" and spliced unto a flash drive hence the grainy footage
#6 - Jessica wasn't looking for a seat but for an employee to finish payment
#7 ‐ Right after Mirnas seizure her "loving husband" rushed to the clinic she was sent to, denied any doctors to look at her or treat her, refused ambulance transport, and drove her in a private car to the hospital (which proved to be a fatal choice)
#8 - 70 min. After her death cyanide experts found no cyanide in her stomach, and no symptoms of cyanide poisoning. 3 days after her death they took a sample from her stomach (not an autopsy... her parents refused one which would show cause of death) the sampl showed .2mlg of cyanide vs the 7400 they claim that would have wiped the entire people sitting nearby. This small .2mlg was likely di to decomposition and was in no way fatal.
#9 - the cyanide tested on the cup was found outside the cup an not inside of the coffee
#10 - ignored evidence that the cup "preserved for evidence" was not the original and the cup had been switched
#11 - The judge always emphasized Jessica's name in court and Jessica's lawyer was treated rudely and shouted at
#12 - The chief of police in charge for this case was sent to jail for premeditated murder of one of his officers and threatened to expose the cyanide coffee case if given the death penalty
#13 - there was a lead expert witness (prosecutor side, against Jessica) who was caught for bribery
#14 - The judge who sentenced Jessica violated the judges code of ethics
#15 - all evidence on behalf of Jessica's lawyer proving her innocence was refused to be acknowledged by the prosecutor and judge
#16 - the prosecutor even resorted to using chaotic statements as the shape of Jessica's face as evidence of her crimes
And much much much more.
Jessica was clearly a scapegoat to cover up a family scandal. An affair. Corruption. Whatever have you. Money moves Indonesia and ANY ONE OF YOU can be made looked guilty.
And end up on rotten mango years later. Simmer that.
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It's funny how everyone here is swallowing this story. They lied.
All the official police reports (which is where rotten mango likely got this info from) is 100% doctored. Many people were bribed and paid to keep a tight seal on this case. The trial was a mess and pure chaos. Netflix does better at providing UNBIASED evidence.
Even Indonesian citizens knew this was clear involvement of police corruption and the family conspired or covered something up. Also the husband was INCREDIBLY sus and never looked into.
Consider these corrections to the evidence and ask yourself, are you just eating up this story like an obedient dog?
#1 - Jessica arrived early to avoid the massive traffic jams
#2 - they agreed to meet at 4
#3 - Mirna arrived unexpectedly late
#4 ‐ Jessica did not pick the table the café waitress did
#5 - The CCTV footage used is not the original and was "cut up" and spliced unto a flash drive hence the grainy footage
#6 - Jessica wasn't looking for a seat but for an employee to finish payment
#7 ‐ Right after Mirnas seizure her "loving husband" rushed to the clinic she was sent to, denied any doctors to look at her or treat her, refused ambulance transport, and drove her in a private car to the hospital (which proved to be a fatal choice)
#8 - 70 min. After her death cyanide experts found no cyanide in her stomach, and no symptoms of cyanide poisoning. 3 days after her death they took a sample from her stomach (not an autopsy... her parents refused one which would show cause of death) the sampl showed .2mlg of cyanide vs the 7400 they claim that would have wiped the entire people sitting nearby. This small .2mlg was likely di to decomposition and was in no way fatal.
#9 - the cyanide tested on the cup was found outside the cup an not inside of the coffee
#10 - ignored evidence that the cup "preserved for evidence" was not the original and the cup had been switched
#11 - The judge always emphasized Jessica's name in court and Jessica's lawyer was treated rudely and shouted at
#12 - The chief of police in charge for this case was sent to jail for premeditated murder of one of his officers and threatened to expose the cyanide coffee case if given the death penalty
#13 - there was a lead expert witness (prosecutor side, against Jessica) who was caught for bribery
#14 - The judge who sentenced Jessica violated the judges code of ethics
#15 - all evidence on behalf of Jessica's lawyer proving her innocence was refused to be acknowledged by the prosecutor and judge
#16 - the prosecutor even resorted to using chaotic statements as the shape of Jessica's face as evidence of her crimes
And much much much more.
Jessica was clearly a scapegoat to cover up a family scandal. An affair. Corruption. Whatever have you. Money moves Indonesia and ANY ONE OF YOU can be made looked guilty.
And end up on rotten mango years later. Simmer that.
@@mx.n.3682 some commenting ppl said she actually arrived 30 minutes early, because the meeting was actually scheduled for 4 P.M., not 5 P.M., but her friends were late (those commenters said it's common in Indonesia to be late)
wait i love rewatching your old videos please don’t delete them 😭 it’s okay if it’s the same cases i just love your energy and sometimes when i’ve seen everything i’ll go back to my favorite old videos and rewatch them🥹 pls bring them back stephanie pleaseeee
So she did covered this case before and deleted the video? I was starting to think that I have memory problems because I thought I'd seen this before but couldn't find it on any of her channels
@@Maria-357 i'm pretty sure she did, just not so in depth!
"he is glad that he was the person she fell in love with" that broke my heart :(
It reminds me of the story of another young married couple that I heard from Mr Ballin. Gemma and Ian went on their honeymoon and her husband Ian was fatally attacked by a Bull Shark while snorkeling ten days later. They were also just starting their lives.
When her husband Ari returned home without Merna, his grief when realizing the reality of never seeing Merna again, reminds me of a scene in the U.S. movie "Return to Me". Its a scene that absolutely breaks your heart. Have tissue 😔
From Australian POV there was so much more to this case. There were no evidence and lots of strange stuff around the court proceedings.
Same here mate. Sadly shithole system they have there. I know how fckd their system is I was an expat there for 2 years. I always have to bring in money with me to bribe local officials whenever I visit their kampung. Ys I was part of the problem. But YES i have to do it to keep the business alive.
I had a friend since 2nd grade not invite me to her wedding last year and months before ignore my messages about hanging out and you know what I did? Nothing said congrats and stopped reaching out and stopped treating her as my best friend. Why I am going to give someone that control. I know her and as soon as shit hits the fan I am her best friend, no one is going to control my happiness and love when there are others who want it. This case breaks my heart, 20 years for someone with no remorse is crazy.
And if she texts out the blue, please ignore it
I just came here to say that I used to listen to your videos constantly, just because you did such a great job at telling the stories and doing so much justice to the victims while reading them, but it has started to change me, making me constantly think about all these tragedies, making me more closed off and depressed, making it impossible to sleep, and I just had to force myself to stop listening. I only am saying this because that isn't a bad thing, it shows how truly great you are at telling these stories, and with how hard the subjects really are, I have huge amounts of respect for you for being able to keep telling these stories every week.
Good lord. Jessica had so many red flags and if only Mirna could’ve been aware or see them clearly, she might’ve never gone for their coffee date. Then again, Mirna seems to have been the sweetheart type, she would’ve met up to just be supportive and be a kind friend anyway. She didn’t deserve to be taken away from this earth so soon. She deserved the happy future coming her way. May she rest in peace and may her husband and family find and keep peace.
i remember this case , this is the biggest mindblowing case in indonesia in 2016 ,some people still believe that jessica didnt poisoned the coffee because the autopsy find a little trace of cyanide in mirna body and they only did sample not full autopsy, the only evidence the prosecutor have is the coffee with cyanide (some say they(the police) tempering with evidence and some of the police that handling this case actually in jail right now for murder of his aide-de-camp , tempering with evidence and obtruction of justice (this one too is the biggest case recently since the defendant is two star general)) .
I still remember when the whole nation was shocked by this case..heard a lot of conspiracy theories about it too. Mirna didn't deserve what happened to her.. RIP 💔 thanks Stephanie for covering this case
oh my god i remember this case! i was in law school and my professors would pause classes to watch the trials and we would watch mirna’s dad throwing tantrums that got him eventually thrown out of court. everyone also agreed that televising the trial eventually put it in jeopardy because of influence from public opinions and exposed testimonies.
I love how in-depth Stephanie discusses the victim(s). It makes you feel so much more deeply for them.
I’m that new subscriber that has binged like more than 10 podcast from Stephanie at this point. Idk how come I’ve only found her now, but her content is so addictive and well crafted too!
I love the empathy I can feel from you through the videos. You put a ton of passion into entertaining and informing your audience through this channel!
I knew someone very much like Jessica once. The best moment of my life is when she decided to have a meltdown and screw a bunch of us over (it was planned over months...so yes decided is the right term). This allowed me to cut her off cleanly. She tried to weasel her way back in right at the end and I made it very clear that I would never be speaking with her again. Even if she crawled back around to meet up, I would simply not go. There are some people in this life you do not need to have around. I just wish I had realised it first because she tried to ruin my reputation on her way out of my life. A lot of other people had cut her out quietly and I never quite understood why until then. Here is to everyone who thinks they should give closure to a toxic person. Don't. These people don't deserve it. You can be respectful as you tell them to go live their best lives far away from you...but don't give them another chance or take a thing from them. And certainly don't meet up with them.
Couldn't agree more with the "You don't need to give closure to toxic people". I had a best friend like Jessica for 9 years, since junior high. She was always very jealous of me in multiple aspects of life, from studies to physical appearance. She tried hiding it but her sudden outbursts gave it away (eg, I always wanted to grow my hair long, something that wasn't my decision to make, but my mother's instead, so when I finally did, she kept discouraging me, saying it doesn't suit me and that it makes me look ugly, that other people agree with her and demanded I cut it like I did for years. I refused and said I love it this way and that's all that matters (for the record, I never once heard anyone else saying it doesn't suit me). And one day, after her first outburst, during which she was screaming by the way, almost like a lunatic, she sent me a message, accusing me of trying to imitate her looks, that I'm the one being jealous of her and me growing my hair was proof. And that she was very upset about this. I was shocked. I knew she could gey manipulative with words and try to turn the tables on you, making you feel like you're the bad person instead, but that was way too much of a series of outbursts, just for... hair. I then stopped overlooking her toxic and manipulative attitude, all the red flags she kept showing for years and gradually felt more and more disconnected emotionally from her. And yes, there were times I feared for my life while being next to her. I had at least incidents during which I was hurt by something and she was just staring at me, with a smug look on her face, like she was enjoying seeing me in pain. I put up with her for a little more. I had given her plenty of chances to change her attitude with talks that lasted for hours(she always acted defensively), but saw no change in her. So one day, I just stopped sending her messages and stopped answering to her. I ghosted her. I knew that even if I were to talk with her again and then give a closure, she wouldn't accept it, like she never accepted anything I told her about her, that was not nice and she should try changing it, because it was disrespectful towards me. And that was the best decision I ever made in my life and after that I felt more free than ever.
The part about the cafe praying and the end statement from the husband are heart shattering
Dear Stephanie, I commented on your post less than 24h ago and found this video. Here are key facts about the case:
1. Mirna was never autopsied, per court records. The victim's lack of autopsy raises questions about the alleged crime's validity.
2. The coffee sample, tested for cyanide, lacks documented chain of custody, casting doubt on its reliability.
3. The Indonesian Police Lab, akin to NFS in South Korea, stated in open court:
a. A stomach sample taken 70 mins post-Mirna's death tested negative for cyanide.
b. The post-embalming sample showed insufficient cyanide levels, challenging the poisoning theory.
c. No traces of cyanide were found in various parts of the sample that was taken from her body.
4. Dr. Djaja (the one that embalmed the victim’s body as per requested), a renowned forensic doctor in SEA, urged an autopsy but was denied due to the family's influence. His examination found no cyanide signs pre-embalming.
5. The CCTV lacks clear chain of custody details, raising concerns of manipulation by renowned digital forensics.
6. A psychiatrist that was tasked to examine Jessica at that time had her master's cancelled at that time for disagreeing with the presented diagnosis by her team.
Despises Jessica’s past this is a very political case.
This case affects the nation, exposing corruption and a compromised justice system. I implore you to revisit and shed light on these emerging facts, as they challenge the integrity of the authorities. Your platform has the power to bring attention to this injustice, resonating with those who seek truth and fairness.
As an Indonesian myself I am ashamed to say that this is what my home country is capable of hence why people like me refused to go back and live there as this type of situation can happen to anyone who doesn't have the money, power or connection. Any day they can be framed as scapegoats just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
You have become my go-to channel on true crime! The way the show is run, e.g looking at your fiancée and then looking into the camera makes it feel like I’m sitting around a table talking about the case with you guys.
The amount of research and details you put into your videos is incredible. I can feel how much respect you have for the victims and their families.
1000/10
Just thinking about the way she acted after commiting a MURDER is absolutely disgusting and horrible.
I'm so amazed how Stephanie has so much on her plate whit her wedding and everything yet she still filming content for us this is why I look up to her thank you Stephanie ❤
Now this case is being raised again because Netflix and many people in Indonesia believe Jessica is innocent
I watched this last month and i just watched netflix now. I think stephanie soo's source from indo is also bias
Why do they think she's innocent? Looks pretty damning to me.
omg, i’m indonesian and am so glad stephanie covered this case because even after all these years i have no idea how this HUGE case ended. thank you stephanie! ❤