First DRIFT Test with PARTYUPANOTCH. NOT A Good Time...
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- Опубликовано: 5 дек 2021
- This video takes us to our first test with the Ecoboost Foxbody. The chassis feels tight and I feel as though we are on the right path. The steering is actually really nice, I think with a mechanical pump it could be a tick better, but I want to tune for this pump as it is much more ideal for this type of build. Unfortunately now we know (months later) why we had a catastrophic engine failure. It was due to voltage regulation. The alternator is PWM based and with the draw of the fans, PS pump, Fuel pumps, and everything, there wasn't enough correction in the tune. Simple fix, but this is what happens when you're one of the first people doing this.
Big props to BC Racing NA for helping us out with this project and supplying ideal suspension solutions for all of my personal and competition cars. 
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That’s Chelsea’s luck, what inspires me is that he keeps on trying. I believe that’s why he is at where he is at in life and it gives me that push too.Thumbs up sir.
Haha yea, the car ran again the next day
@@chelseadenofa where can I find an eco for 2500$?!
Learning pains, but when you get it right it is going to be fun... that said people blow SRs just as easy.
By the way I believe Chelsea runs the “small block” 2.3 there are a lot of ecoboost liter replacement options. I am just wondering how it is going to handle,I know my 1992 Mustang feels like you are driving the front and the rear of the car separately in drift.It will definitely need an angle kit to feel more connected.
@@BostonBeata where can you get one and for how much
Sounds like it was a fluke, thanks for spending all the time and resources testing the unknown! Helps us broke drift guys out a lot 🙌
it wasnt the unknown! LMAO esslinger engineering specializes in ecoboost and ford 4 cyclinder engines... all cheslea had to do was hit up brian at esslinger like i told him.
@@fastballfilms4214 don’t they specialize in the 2.3 Lima motors? And drag racing applications? I’m sure it’s not completely unknown but it doesn’t seem to be a popular option for the drift scene. Along with the r&d that goes into making the transmission adapter, motor mounts and cross member work in other chassis is a pretty big step towards making it more achievable for the rest of us.
Half the price of an SR and just as reliable.... Nice
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Taylor Ray just made this same motor window customization in his K24 Cefiro. He was unhappy about it too. I think it looks BADASS.
Love the videos bro. Killing it! You’ll get it dialed in eventually
This is exactly the kind of content I've been wanting for quite a while now. Definitely makes me wanna push to do stuff like this.
Man, I could feel the disappointment and frustration from here. Glad the new one’s holding up!
Damn, still such a cool build. I was dyin at the subscribe and save ecoboost jokes. Keep the videos coming!
Keep the head bro! Keep on keeping on love you guys!!!
This car is so cool. hope you get it running again soon
LSPI (low speed pre-ignition) kills Ecoboost 4 bangers like no tomorrow. Seen it in the dealer world. They're torquey engines that hate torque lol. Cam it (if any exist) with a big turbo and don't let it eat down low and it might live longer. This was an issue with manual transmission vehicles and people lugging it. Which in Ecoboost world means like anything below 3500-4000rpm lol. The automatics have strategies to prevent you from being able to load it up hard at lower rpms actually. Even if you try to in sport mode with manual controlled shifts. It'll kick down a gear or two and say "nah, I'm good".
needs to go with the 2.0 focus se head with the individual exhaust ports. intergrated head is the downfall
Yup, we’re actually running on the gate 13psi until 3800, then adding boost from there.
Running straight e85 helps a ton. Also the lspi problem in high hp builds can be solved by swapping in the 2.0 block that bolts straight into the 2.3 and putting different rods. most of those ecoboost engines running high hp blow because they usually shift a cylinder wall from the stock 2.3 being open deck and coolant can get in. Causes a hot spot and blows out the cylinder. I've seen swapped block ecoboosts with just bolt ons a block and rods run 600 hp all day with no problems.
Love that build🤩
Love seeing this thing on track hope yoy figure this motor out!
Bro what luck man, hope so see it on the track asap
I’m so glad I found this build
I grew up in Canby and cool see drifting keep p.a.r.c. alive. The track looks so nice. Was not like that when I was a kid. We just hit the trees when we slide off.
Sick potentiall brother great job
Whoa I was at that dyno last week 😱 Leon’s FRS finally dialed
Love the content.
that first back fire was insane sounding. i thought it happened there (only bc title/thumbnail)... but damn ....
Damn. Im sure ya'll get it worked out. Not what i wanted to see neither. Now im def. gettin a JZ car. lol. j/k. Its sounded badass!
Radical runs a 2.3 eco boost in the sr10 with a badass Hewland dog box. I know they use a life ecu for engine management. It may be worth your time to reach out to them for a base map.
Sorry for the bad luck. Can't wait till it's lined out!
sorry dude, bummer it popped- keep thrashing that things gunna be rad
Last season of FD I asked why you couldnt drive as well in comp as you do with your friends. Not long after that comment the Season began and I just had to keep my mouth shut. You absolutely killed it last season and i am looking forward to you shutting me up once more.
Good on ya for just walking away from the car for some air lmao I have a hard time doing that sometimes
Oh man. That sounded like a heartbreak :(
My E46 328i has 150k+ miles on it and doing my best to keep it healthy and alive for next summer drift events. Not sure if I’ll be able to handle it if and when my motor goes pop! 🥺
Have a dedicated power wire for the alternator. Taking notes from the all the BMW they have a dedicated power for starter/jumper post/alternator. Just like modern BMWs the PARTYUPANOTCH has a lot of electric consumers. Having a dedicated power wire for the alternator to the battery will help dampen the voltage fluctuation coming from the alternator. This would also allow the ecu get a more stable battery voltage so the alternator tune isn't over correcting. From your previous videos it looks like you got a good size wire going from the batter to starter to the alternator. As a backseat/keyboard mechanic recommendation: Run another power wire up front to have all the consumers on that wire to separate it from the alternator.
We do have a dedicated power wire. The alternator runs off PWM and has a clutch in it.
You may have seen it before we ran the power distribution block, just to get power to the starter.
Voltage is way sick controlled now. 14.0-14.1 steady during the lap
Hey Chelsea building these with Forged pistons and good rods is dirt cheap. You can do a 2.0 closed deck block with the 2.3 crank rods and pistons and make a pretty strong motor. A lot of guys running them reliably at 500 and over.
This type of build with a 2.3 lima turbo woulda been dope too
Greatest thumbnail ever 😭
One clutch kick and boom 💥
The factory ecu is a driver demand torque modeled system. ECU cross references all its limiters and safety systems to ensure that torque figure is currently allowed.
Yea for sure. That’s why we’re not running it.
thats crazy! Mainly because Taylor Ray just blew his k swapped cefiro up almost look identical carnage
Damn that made me legit tear up.
Honestly Chelsea, your channel is easily one of the best out there, always stoked to see you with a new upload. Oh and I know this is super unrelated to the video lol, but what brand are your glasses?
Zenni optical
Might be worth looking into Stochastic Pre-Ignition (SPI). It has a tendency to happen at low RPM, high load. I have seen it take out rods just like the one shown. Basically just a huge spike in cylinder pressure because combustion happens too early while the piston is still in the compression stroke. Fuel injection timing is a big deal on anything DI, as well as number of injection pulses per firing event. This is a great project, hopefully you get it sorted out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-speed_pre-ignition
Yea for sure. We’re limiting the cyl pressure a lot actually. Well aware of low rpm cyl pressure. Thanks tho’
@@chelseadenofa don't know if anyone's already brought it up but you should hit up Ryan at pd. Dude seriously knows how to tune 2.3s. with a block swap and few other easy mods you can run 5-600 wheel all day.
@Chelsea DeNofa I'm not sure if its worth it to you, or if you guys have already started to solve the problems. But the mazdaspeed platform has been working with the hurdles of standalones on direct injection for a while! I know the MZR isnt the same platform but I believe is similar in a lot of ways to the Ecoboost.
If that interests you at all I could point you to the guys paving the way on the MZR platform and maybe they could shed some light on taming the DI and HPFP, maybe its not the same, but some of those guys might be interested in what you're up to as well.
Looks like fun. Lmk when you're in Charlotte again dinners on us
Sorry about your luck my man. This thing will shred once you guys get past the growing pains of a fresh build. I'd suggest being extremely careful with re-using an oil cooler, as a few teams I've worked with have had motors let go by avoiding replacement of a $100-300 component. Just a thought.
I ultrasonic clean and then pressure clean it at 150 psi.
I know your on standalone so apples to oranges, but my 2015 has survived two seasons of drifting so far. It’s a early Spain built motor that had 68k when I bought it. Stock turbo tuned by Adam at Tune+.
Yea, we actually work with Adam a bunch and he’s been helping us get a good base map on these motors.
Taylor Ray just had the same thing happen to his k24. looks very similar in damage. Its weird both happened around the same time.
Man I'd be mad af u just got it together and on the first test rip it blows up that's tuff
A nx2 turbo should help with the low end torque. It's a bolt on turbo that's a little bigger but doesn't cause much more turbo lag. The stock turbo tends to fall off in the higher rpm also. People on the fb ecoboost page say the nx2 is what should have been on from factory. I haven't got one yet but it's my cars next upgrade.
I already have one on the way
My 2.0 stock fusion blew the exact same hole right through block.
Is the vacuum pump strong enough to pull down the crank case? Could be an interesting use for it while it is there and maybe make some power.
Hello from the otherside
Always wanted to build an iroc-jz drift car as it was my first car I got right before learning about drifting. Enjoy the content keep it coming 👍
there was a 3rd Gen in loan star. was cool to see. but you'd have to build an angle kit or guess. super simple front suspension thou, so if guy basic wouldn't be to hard. I
I broke a rod in my turbo M20 ... when it happened I was on the highway at 3500RPM cruising... and it was very violent. I ran 16-20 lbs boost for a couple of years and many drift events so it put up with allot and let go seemingly random .... the next engine I threw together is running the Chinese eagle knock off forged rods.. they came with ARP bolts ... no more worries
Turbo m20 or turbo m50? In your opinion
@@benrobles29 I think the M50 rods might be a little stronger and the head definitely flows better than the two valve per cylinder head so for horsepower probably the M50. But I'm happy with the M20 I like that the cylinder head leaves room on the passenger side for the turbocharger so for packaging it works out well. I'm also invested at this point and will just stick with the M20. I've thought about K swapping it if I run out of BMW engine parts :-)
@@benrobles29 one thing I'll say about m5x engines is, if you boost it at least open the ring end gaps... Or you will break ring lands... Best to go forged...
and boom goes the block
oof, that's a tough one. I'd take a walk in the woods right after that too tbh lol
As always: we are all down for the journey w/ yall, not just those glamorous destinations.
I walked over to my student and taught class 5 min later
@@chelseadenofa big professional vibes
iv got a 130k on one of these engines and its been a beast so far sorry about the shitty luck
Hey brother I know you’re fully caged which stiffens a fox body right up but you cannot hurt putting subframe connecters in usually just a sub frame connecters alone will entirely change a fox and I know a lot of road cars guys with a cage who say the sub frame connecters helped even more a cage is the one thing I’m lacking but I’ve got everything else and the sub frame connecters when I added those was a night and day difference
My cage is welded to the car along the entire sill from in front of the door to behind the rear of the door. Maybe it would help, but I’m also a lot lighter than most
What oil are you running? Make sure you're running a modern API SP oil or one that contains low Ca content. It might not have been the cause of failure but this is a common engine in standardized engine oil testing and used to evaluate LSPI protection (Sequence IX).
the 2.5 duratecs out of 13 and up fusions and escapes are essentially the same and even cheaper than the mustang ecoboosts. you would just have to do your own turbo setup. have you given thought to running a control pack on the eb setup?
Could you ask Ford for help on getting it to work with a standalone ecu?
Not the first 2.3 I have heard of blowing up at reasonable power levels.
Taylor ray’s did the same thing in the same spot
just keep trying it will work
It’s good now. We figured out it was a voltage control issue
Should look into Infiniti m30/Nissan Leopard chassis, extremely under appreciated
Rear suspension is wonky to me
@@chelseadenofa yeah, looking into subframe swaps. Not necessarily an easy car to build just a fan of it
READ ME. Lol, I have an 18 ecoboost mustang that’s tuned/ intercooler and such. Ryan Martin @pd tuning is who tunes it and many others, he does great work with these and currently tunes the fastest quarter mile ecoboost mustang in the world. He can tune via dyno or simply by datalogs via Cobb accesport. I know you have your own tuners, most definitely. But he is very familiar with these engines and what they tend to like.
I don’t have the stock ECU
Daily upload would be insane
Not possible haha. This video is 3 months okd
Running a eco boost is like 🤞
Is it still direct injected? Injection angle is pretty important with those, especially if it has stock internals. The pistons swirl relief needs a little time to thoroughly distribute the fuel mix. If you know off hand, what was the overall advance you were running?
Yea we played around with the injection timing and target. Stock seemed to really work up the heat too. We’re making a bit more power than most on less boost. Seems way happier like that now.
Curious how one of those ecoboost engines would fit in a NB miata, could be a fun swap for it
It’ll go in pretty easy as it’s the same motor as mzr basically
Sad days :(
At least it didn't catch on fire
Do you know how much power the stock rods can handle
man that thing is gunna be a super sweet car did you guys get a weight yet on that bad mamma jamma
I’ll release it soon
@@chelseadenofa heck yeah it's gunna be nuts if you got it to where you wanted for sure
What sr20 is gods motor
What sort of motor is this? And are they available in Australia ?
Powdered rods?? Idk this engine well but I would suggest getting rid of the stock rods ... I'm curious what HP it put down on the Dyno... Gentle rev limit and timing will help... Good luck to you Chelsea 😉
We softened the limiter after the dyno session. The backfire you’re hearing is boost cut which is at stock boost in this video.
Custom view ports are NOT THE BEES KNEES
Partydownablock
Hey Chelsea how do you suggest I convince Ford to sell me the 7speed manual and tc out of a bronco for my custom sport Trac build? I tried local dealers with no luck
Never half ass anything. Always go through both sides of the block.
If these 2.3L EcoBoost are anything like their older brother engine 2.3L Mazdaspeed engine I’m not surprised at why it blew up. I know Mazdaspeed engines destroy themselves if the tuner doesn’t delay boost and torque at low rpm’s. I put 2 rods thru the block that way 😂
Maybe throw forged rods and pistons in this one to mitigate the problem 🤔
Long term yea. Short term, we slam another motor in and keep working towards reliability
Sounds like it needs more turbo M52
Chelsea please tell me what rims you have on the fox body in the Dyno video I have a 331 forged motor with a Paxton supercharger and full road course ready suspension in my fox I have the cobra R rims that yours kinda look like but yours are better please tell me what they are
It’s OK brother I went back and watched your other videos on the car and yeah I like the white best also
Drifz wheels. Earlier it was on Desmond regamasters
@@chelseadenofa Thank you very much yeah I went back and found it in your other video but still thanks man
niiiiice windows bruh
Who do you deal with in the enine supply industry? They seem more than willing to help.
I'm in the salvage industry and am looking for more folks out west that I can lean on. Looking for more businesses to do business with.
We use Gundies for most of our motor and core supply.
Dang it
chelsea, your fly is open...
It’s easy being breezy
absolutely sick
you still drift E chassis? or just strictly ford now? lol might be a dumb question.
I have e chassis still and drive them a few times a week
From Notch to Window lol
#itsamustang
Partyupaknock.
Man I had a 4cyl fox body way back when and that 2.3l actually handles boost really well.. you should just go back to that cast iron 2.3 and call it a day with a custom turbo setup
Slap a volvo dohc on it and call it a day lol
Those are alot of work to keep going at decent power levels especially with Volvo head then it gets just as expensive I think he should stick with what he has
Or just toss one of those damn 5.0 from the FD cars and call it a day lol. My brother has had so many issues with his Ecoboost engine it's not even funny.. it's been replaced twice in less than 75k miles the head has been replaced once between those engine replacements... They just arent very good.
And his is bone stock btw it's literally factory defects
Would probably do a bit better if you used a 2.0 block or a full 2.0 block and head
What standalone are you using?
LINK.
@@chelseadenofa do you prefer it over a haltech? I have a 93 escort I’m building now and I’m wanting to put a eco boost in it I just can’t really find very many half ass decent stand alones.
@@chelseadenofa also the AWD system I’m using is from a 2018 Ford Focus RS.
i guess my dad was wrong you can still window that motor even with a lower boost setting lol the one he replaced and the one his buddy replaced at the dealership because of failed wastegates didnt let go until they maxed out their turbos which is around 40ish
This was at 23psi
@@chelseadenofa might be the difference between a tune gone wrong and a untouched stock computer trying its best to adjust maxed out. From what he said they didnt last long. it was a kinda one and done when that happen from what he said. still though 23 psi isnt to crazy high and for how easily it broke it shouldnt have happened
shoulda kept the og 5.0
My guess it made to much jam to low and chucked a rod
Nah, was a voltage issue
@@chelseadenofa damn no shit. Glad you got a log out of it to find out
Sadge
Back when I had an eco it blew at that exact same spot. Those blocks just can’t take power:(
This wasn’t a block issue, was a calibration issue
You should have bought a Barra for it
No way. That motor weighs 3X as much as this and packaging is awful
Well thats sucks.... hope you guys figure it out and that doesn't happen again
Watch till the end
@@chelseadenofa i did.... what did i miss?
Sorry buddy :/
Ngl i thought he was driving it away dry