Congratulations Data! It’s A Girl
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2021
- Star Trek The Next Generation s03e16 The Offspring
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"I was able to provide Lal with more realistic skin and eye colour than my own" is possibly the most brilliant in-universe excuse for avoiding additional makeup work I've ever heard
To be fair, it was explained that Soong's androids were deliberately made less realistic so that the local human colonists, who already hated Soong and his work, would be less afraid of them, including the idea that he was trying to improve and replace humans. He canonically could have made Data look perfectly human, but there would have been torches and pitchforks involved.
I would have preferred if they at least kept the golden eyes.
He should do the same for himself
@@RetroMaticGamer Really? I thought that the colonists would feel more at ease if Soong's androids looked and acted completely human.
@@DrownedInExile I don't know about that. Back in the 80s and 90s, most color contacts looked so obviously flat and fake. I think Data would have looked better if the producers allowed Brent Spiner to play him with his real eye color (which is blue) instead of the creepy yellow contacts.
Data making an active effort to blink so he doesn’t weird people out is gold
In another episode ("Inheritance"), he says he has a subroutine that simulates blinking in a semi-random fashion using the Fourier system.
"I choose your sex and appearance."
Don't blame ya.
Orion female could have been interesting...
Well, Lal DID choose to be a female Human and since Troi's a Human/Betazoid female, she's partly like Troi.....
"No Lal. That would be confusing."
@@sonicguyver7445 I dated a twin for awhile. Confusion can be fun.
Doubt Riker would disagree with your viewpoint.
Troi instantly becoming Lal's cool aunt is quite adorable.
I always wondered why Troi sat on the floor and dozed off in the corner. She was on the holodeck, why didn't she just say: Computer, provide comfortable chair.
Budget issues I guess?
Or you can only run 1 program at a time, unless they're compatible with one another
No idea, my thought is maybe she chose not to add anything to the room that might influence or distract Lal in her decision; e.g. "I like the appearance of that chair so I'll choose some arbitrary characteristic about it such as it being bold in appearance to apply to my own new appearance and gender."
Well they said several thousand. So it makes sense she couldn't sit there the whole time
I'm sure that her character got sleepy and simply dozed off. Who has the foresight to prepare their bed or chair-AS THEY ARE DOZING OFF!
This episode would have an extremely different tone if Lal chose to look like Danny Devito
Imma traaaash droid! I eat gaaahhhbage!
Imagine the Riker kissing scene.
So anyway I started firing phasers
lmao, I cant stop laughing at this, thank you for this comment, you have blessed me with one fleeting moment of joy, and I shall cherish it until I forget.
@@gargoyles9999 Mr. Data, why is Lal singing about diddling kids?
Lal is living the dream. If only life had a charater-creation screen.
ikr
Catch me picking an absolutely horrendous build because my dumb ass didn't know the meta yet.
80% of players would go with the attractive human female meta 😂
I love how Troi balked at reviewing several thousand options for Lal's appearance, and then fell asleep in a corner of the holodeck.
Well, truth be told, it is a big decision, and it’s better to be given every option, however vast the number.
Why didn't she have the holodeck make a chair to sit in rather than falling asleep on the floor?
@@DemocracyDiesInDarkness Incompetent writers.
@@DamnMyNickIsTaken No, visual plot device.
Although stretched unconscious in a chair would have been fun too.
I like how they didn't bother to make her a chair
Gender reveal party… ship explodes in a pink Supernova.
Hopefully they not going to do that shit in the 24 century :-)
@@zedtrek you never know
It's hauntingly beautiful listening to Data's narration of his log.
"Several thousand?!" Clearly Troi has never used a character generator before.
The body acting to play an android is pretty neat. It's just two actors in makeup, but they really convey subtle movements that seem so robotic. Awesome!
@2:04 - "I was able to provide Lal with more realistic skin and eye color then my own."
Translation: "The showrunners didn't want to have to put the actress through the same five-hour makeup process for just the one episode."
LOL!
because they went over budget on nueter Lal...
Did it really take 5 hours to put that white makeup in Spiner? Doubt it took much more that one since it was needed for just his face and hands.
"Congratulations, Data. It's a girl."
One of Troi's best lines.
the home scene and learning montage was kind of... adorable, due to the actor's awesome performances... also reminded me of reading a Strange Planet comic. :D
I like how the one she chose was the one that the councillor simply said "I like her" to.
When you try to model the Asgard from memory.
Lal: *can choose any appearance in the ship's database, which includes I don't even know how many species and how many million different combinations*
Also Lal: *picks bowlcut hairdo*
Data: 'Perhaps I should have restricted some options...'
*The Ramona Flowers hairdo has been pretty popular for the last 10 years now, actually.*
Even though, in Star Trek World, they had unlimited options for Lal, the producers could only hire so many actors and actresses. I'm sure this played the most crucial part in her choice of appearance.
I still want to make this comment, but I know some will see it as being painfully obvious. Please forgive me for that.
5 Billion Vulcans can't be wrong. Lol!!
@@bidenistechnicallyadictato738 I find it less Ramona Flowers and more... Pete Rose.
@@daverage4729😂😂😂
"Congratulations Data, Im never going to be able to fucking sleep without nightmares ever again."
Data stop pretending you lack feelings.
@@shinrapresident7010 you're google-searching underaged cartoon girls???????
Brent Spiner has definitely some of Stan Laurel's mannerisms!
He does. That's a great observation.
What happened to the scene where she eats the bowl of beans?
"Painting."
"No, that is a flower."
Bambi inspired joke! Love it!
In a way doesn't that make Troi Lal's mother? Troi provided accurate and helpful feedback about the other 3 choices but Lal chose the one that she "liked," indicating an instinctive bond with Troi. In terms of engram imprints, she trusted Troi and used that as a crutch to help her make a difficult choice, much like a child and her mother. Also when Lal was in distress and Data was not available. Troi was who Lal trusted to go to. Again, like a mother-daughter relationship
I've noticed that too. Lal seemed to regard Deanna Troi as her mother in a sense which makes me smile. She also opted to be a Human Female to be somewhat like Troi in my opinion.
At the minimum godmother.
The TNG androids tended to regard their creators as their parents. I'd say Troi is more of a godmother to Lal. She didn't help design or build her, but participated in her development as a person.
I don't know about mother, but she was definitely the cool aunt!
Um.. .they were in a holodeck.. why didn't Troi have the computer create a couch or a bed or a chair or something to nap in?
Because that could have distracted Lal.
Maybe it was invisible
@ultramaximus *She was probably standing there and then sat and fell asleep without realizing it.*
Not enough memory/ram
I wish they'd kept Lal.
Same here. She could've been a good recurring character who learns more and more about being Human in terms of emotions alongside her father Data and who has interesting reactions to the events of future episodes.
@@girlgarde She never got to meet her android grandmother or her evil uncle.
@@Alexanderiii Or all of her evil step-siblings!
Same dude who portrays the genderless Lal is in the first series episode, Angel One (1988)
1:02 - * falls asleep in holodeck *
* doesn't have the holodeck produce a chair, sofa or bed *
This is surprisingly close to how an physical AI would learn.
This is impressively inclusive, particularly for the time, with Lal being able to choose her gender based on her preferences.
TNG was surprisingly forward-thinking, hell, even the original series was forward-thinking. Christ it has a white male kissing a black female in 68 on national television. To my knowledge it was the first interracial kiss on TV. Anyways, the writers saw (and continue to see) the future as being much more inclusive than our own time, though with notable standouts for plot purposes. Christ there's an ensign/officer on board who wears a skirt (though could be seen as a kilt) as a male.
@@derricktitley3784 Oh I know the history and importance of the show. But the battle to allow people to define and be identified using their preferred gender is still ongoing. Then again, I recall some “fans” complaining about Michael Burnham’s race and gender even before the show started, so I suppose we might not have made as much progress as I’d hoped.
Trek wasn’t always good at this. Turnabout Intruder (by Gene) was a very sexist episode. And then there were the racist episodes (Code of Honour and Justice) at the start of TNG, showing that Star Trek had good days and bad.
Some bits aged like milk though, like the part where Data said Laal must choose a gender.
@@MurrayTheMac
Yeah, if this episode was written today, the fluidity of gender would have been addressed.
But even for the '80s, you'd think that sci-fi writers would have considered that there would be more than just the binary gender roles among thousands of aliens that Lal could choose from. Hell, even one of the founding races, the andorians have four sexes (and, presumably, more than two gender roles).
I mean, in her situation you have to choose your sex. In real life, this is not possible. Any 1950s dude would expect the robot has to pick a sex. In 2021, it's pretty disturbing that we call drilling a hole where your genitals used to be a sex change. Unfortunately we have no sex change technology. Only self mutilation technology. Well, hormone therapy works reasonably well, so we do have sex...bending?
Its amazing how much writing and concepts the writers for star trek have been able to come up with.
"You must choose a gender."
Also the criteria for joining Tumblr.
I think that's just a progressive left idea, isn't it?
@@vapingfury4460 The vast majority of Tumblr is part of that group, that's the joke man.
@@vapingfury4460 why does it need to be though? just be who you want to be, just dont be an asshole. if you identify as a giant chicken be the best goddamn chicken ever, until then if someone want to be known as a girl, fucking let them.
@@MLBlue30 its progressive because it goes against traditional gender norms
Seems likely in the 24th century everyone would choose.. maybe several times over their lifetime.
How is that ugly Android not a meme yet.
This episode was truly amazing.
Data has a well furnished quarter on the Enterprise. I guess being a Lieutenant Comnander and 3rd in command of the starship has its privileges?
That's always been the case; the higher the rank, the better the living quarters.
@@JanetStarChild That's funny when I think of what Picard himself said: "A lot has changed in three hundred years. People are no longer obsessed with the accumulation of 'things'. We have eliminated hunger, want, the need for possessions."
@@themichaelhartwell
I don't think it has anything to do with classism, and more to do with the fact that Starfleet is based on the Navy.
Class privilege and rank privilege are two different things.
@@JanetStarChild Right, I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek but you're absolutely right, I hadn't thought of that.
They could have just put him a closet. Not like he needs sleep.
Gotta love that Data had a Mondrian on the wall...
Come on Lal, get happy!
Good taste.
He painted it himself, actually. Data was going through the process of mastering every style of painting that he could.
Well, de stael was in fashion then,
Data: "A human male".
Troi: "Very attractive"
Me: "Pffbt".
Data: "A human male".
Troi: "Very attractive"
Riker: "I sense a disturbance in the Force!" :-P
Those are Troys preferences in a partner obviously...
Rofl i can't stop laughing at this comment.
@@alessandroarcuri209so Riker never lost the midichlorians that Q gave him.
troi that's a child!!
Lal reminds me of myself when I came out of isolation from covid.
*Data:* I did it for the Lalz
Data's encouraging smile at 4.10 is surprisingly heartwarming.
God is heartbreaking to watch this knowing Data is gone 😭
This episode was so good cause it such a big moment for data and how if done carefully and with care, life that is created might create its own life.
Lal somehow gives the textbook definition of a painting and still somehow calls a plant a painting.
Bean time!
If you think about it, This episode showed a lot of forward thinking regarding gender and identity. Which I was not expecting to find in a show almost as old as I.
The only thing I'd critique it on is the exchange:
"... and I am gender neuter. Inadequate."
"That is why you must choose a gender, Lal"
Nothing wrong with not identifying as either gender. Especially when they were not even assigned a gender at "birth".
@@Phlebas and that as an Android her choice would be permanent
@@Bartimayus Well, they're also choosing deliberately to give options which would fit in at the Enterprise well. Data would rather not see his offspring go through similar hardships as himself. I highly doubt staying in an ungendered form, given the difficulties which androids and artificial life face, would make it as simple or easy for Lal as appearing to be a human female in the Star Trek universe. Not to mention it is Lal who states that being gender neutral is inadequate first, not Data or Troi.
@Patrick McMahon Yeah, there are cultures all around the world that recognize more than two genders. It's frustrating to see people insisting on a binary tied to sexual characteristics as if that's some sort of hard universal truth.
Sometimes, I think anthropology courses should be offered at the high school level just so that more people are able to take their cultural blinders off. Of course, I can already imagine the reactionary response to that idea.
I'm not, Star Trek has always been fairly progressive in a lot of ways.
I remember a behind-the-scenes documentary from the special makeup artists that created the pre-final form: "We cut off every sense, every body function the actor had. ". Played by the same guy as "Trent" in S1 "Angel one" .
Wait they are in the holodeck but Data just let Troi sleep on the floor? She literally could have created a chair or bed for herself.
Its not like Data is responsible for Deanna. That's the writers' fault.
Sad episode. I cry at the end every time.
"Gender neutral. I am inadequate"
That... did not age super well.
Frankly Lal should have kept the unique look, be different from everyone else on the ship, screw conformity.
Soong-type androids are directly based on humans, it's not an off-target assessment.
@@xandercorp6175 I mean, gender non-conforming humans aren't inadequate, so whether or not Data and Lal are based off humans, the point is the same: it didn't age well to call her gender neutrality inadequate.
@@MarkusAldawn Gender nonconforming humans aren't neuter in the sense that Lal is.
@@xandercorp6175 True, Lal is in a situation where xe hasn't chosen any secondary sex characteristics, and gender non-conformers have a mix of gender characteristics.
“A friend for worf” why didn’t Lal choose Klingon 🤔
Because Worf always has to be denied
There's only so much prune juice you can drink together
@Wrist disabled Writer *Imagine male-Klingon Lal grabbing Riker and kissing him.*
@@bidenistechnicallyadictato738 lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@thegreenmanofnorwich lol 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Those dissonant chords in the music at 0:43 compliment the richness and complexity of the scene so well.
0:54 GYAT DAYUM
Imagine is Lal had chosen a klingon, he would have quickly become the strongest klingon to ever exist, but I doubt the klingons would ever accept him.
And then when the Admiral showed up to try to take Lal away, Lal would've violently resisted which would've caused a lot of damage to the Enterprise's interior......
Just imagining that Data is saying "Lol" instead of "Lal" makes this episode absurdly comical
I love how Troi fell asleep on the floor instead of asking the computer to make a chair.
"There are many fascinating experiences I wish to share with you."
"Painting!"
"...No."
I have no idea why, but that moment gets me every time! XD
I genuinely like Lal's appearance. It's cute in an endearing way.
"I finally got a part, and on a huge hit show!"
"What's the role?"
"I am a sexy robot space baby."
They are on the Holodeck and Troi sleeps on the floor.
Broke my heart when I was younger. When Lal died. :(
Imagine if Lal chose to be the Klingon male. Worf teaching him to be a Klingon. Every two minutes Worf would tell him what Klingons don't do
"no lal, that would be confusing" lol
3:57 Data's reaction ahah
One of the best episodes in Star Trek history!
Lal was so adorable.
Lal was so precious.
If the Klingon or Andorian male form was chosen, no one would be sad when the offspring died.
depends how it played out but yes, the human female made it more relatable
@@tjwparso I found it oddly cynical how they said an Andorian would make socializing difficult, suggesting that in the 24th century people still are like that towards known but just uncommonly seen species.
One could even assume it helps socializing when people are interested in that unusual being.
Especially with the awful design. Enterprise did them justice.
"Painting. Shitty."
Wanders into the ready room, sees Picard with a glass in his hand...
_Tea. Earl Grey. Hot._
I can only imagine a holodeck version of the Skyrim Character Creation screen.
Lal missing the ball. That’s me, at 42 years old, trying to play video games. 😢
Might just be a matter of training.
It is easy to fall into the mainstream peer pressure 'gaslighting' of believing you simply lose skill with age, but it might to a degee just be a different skill focus.
While to some degree reaction time increase with age is documented, that could just be a small effect that can easily be compensated with practice or maybe it, too, is falling into a trap of merely documenting the is-state and presenting that as medical law.
There are 80 year old martial artists with lightning-quick reflexes.
The brain is amazingly malleable. It just needs kung fu to attain excellence. 😉
3:54 Lal has a Drinking Problem
There's defo a hole down there somewhere.
Memes aside this episode was heartwarming and heartbreaking.
I’ve always wondered why Lal has never been mentioned on PICARD?
"Gender nueter, inadequate". No Lal.
"Whatever you decide will be yours for your life time" Not if they don't want it to, Troy.
D'awwwwwww!
Troi spends who knows how long a time waiting for Lal to narrow down her choice, yet despite being the holodeck they don’t bother to project a bed for her to rest?
4:05. Just like me doing PE at school...
1:01 The impulse engine glow is orange instead of red there. Seems unnormal.
1:35 _"Very attractive. ... There's no problem with socialization here."_ - Wait until he starts talking. 😏
3:42 _MORE INPUT!_ 😄
3:14 You are in my spot.
I’m late, but I came here from Jeremy Jahn’s’ Fant4stic review. It was when he compared Doctor Doom’s design in that movie to Lal before she got skin.
I want to see the alternate version of this episode where Lal decides to be a Klingon
You must pick a gender....... Offff 90s TV was hard-core.
But then they say she'll be stuck with that gender for the rest of her life. And they don't correct her when she says her lack of gender males her inadequate.
Two steps forwards, one step back.
@@jsnrvst chromosomes don't lie, regardless of what a surgeon can do.
@@johnl1091 Fun fact: every day you encounter dozens of people and you are somehow able to assign each of them a gender even though you have never seen their chromosomes. In fact, most people won't ever know for sure what chromosomes they have. By default, doctors don't have babies' chromosomes analyzed at birth and base the gender assignation squarely on the baby's genitals. Some people make it to adulthood before learning that they are in fact intersex. It is likely some never find out.
@@jsnrvst yet the chromosomes, the psychology, the permanent physiological differences, remain, regardless of that. Also intersex people are an entirely rare part of biology that your using to justify a disregard for basic science
@@militaristicsoldier856 1) intersex people are about as common as natural redheads.
2) the argument I was making was that you gender people even though you can't see their chromosomes. My point is that chromosomes can't define gender, because we almost never use them to determine gender. You never see most people's genitals either. And their psychology? Come on. I'd love to know which traits are 100% male or 100% female in your view.
Maybe you should move beyond "basic" science, because real science is not actually on your side. blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/
This episode is hard to watch :(
it's the strangest looking Girl in the beginning of the clip
I've been browsing your videos off and on for a while now, and I just want to ask -- why is the frame rate so slow? (I will accept "just because" but I was just wondering...)
Just think if Lal chose the Klingon. Just think what the empire would’ve done to acquire that android.
SMELL!
I’m surprised no one is asking how the Klingon male model was among her final four choices. Totally different from the other 3 choices.
4:38 - cute, she swallowed for the first time 😅
Every good father teaches his daughter how to swallow. Her future husband will thank him later.
Several 'thousand'?
This IS a big decision. Though would several hundred thousand be more appropriate?
THIS IS HOW ALL GIRL PLAY SPORTS 4:04
1:24
Flintstones alien kazoo reference?
"Whatever you decide will be yours for your life time"
I moss the simpler days
every job worth doing is worth overdoing.
Data * hold my beer *
Why didn't Troi have the holodeck make her a chair instead of sleeping on the floor?
if the choice had been klingon, would that have made worf a merrier man?
Worf is "NOT a merry man" lol
I don't think he would have been able to share a mug of blood wine and tell war stories with Lal.
A Klingon android is pretty much like a joke, a ridiculous style/theme clash.
This epsode would be very interesting in 2024! 🤣
I wish I was asked to choose from several thousand appearances. (but I guess I should be very thankful to have won the birth lottery, so I won't complain)
Imagine a random robot coming up to you while you're laying down in bed and telling you "I choose your sex and appearance"