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- Star Trek The Next Generation s03e18 Allegiance
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Easy to see it's not Riker's first mutiny.
He probably had some memories of The Pegasus while doing this.
Is there some regulation that allows Riker to take command if the captain has clearly lost their senses, or is putting the ship in extreme jeopardy?
@@smartalec2001 Yes, there was an episode in the early seasons where Picard was taken over by another entity and Dr Crusher was able to order him to be relieved of duty due to the incapacity to command
@@smartalec2001 When the Captain does seem to endager the entire ship or when it seems, that the Captain is under foreign influence to make actions, that go against the law, it's the duty of the first officer to release the Captain from his command and put him under arrest
Kind of hard for him to mutiny against someone who is not the captain
Data literally just sitting there chilling while a mutiny goes on in front of him
_WESLEY:_ Commander, I'll be honest. I was really looking forward to dying out here
I loved this part of the episode. As long he’s not directly ordered to do something by anyone his duties are at that chair, in that instance the chain of command was being up held and executed. He would have no objections into how that was playing put. Just my thoughts
@@Noone-jn3jp yeah. Data knows the rulebook front to back. if Rikers actions had been against regulations he would have said something
@@momokochama1844 he knew what was up
That's because Data also knows something's wrong with the captain
“Mr. Data, please strangle Captain Picard.”
“Aye, sir.”
Make it SO Numbawan!
"Mr. Data execute order 66"
@@DarkKnight52365 We are in the wrong galaxy, Commander.
Ehm, sorry captain *applies hands*
Data could simply use a Vulcan nerve pinch to subdue Picard. I think Riker was curious to see how the imposter Picard would react before resorting to using force with Data or Worf.
Wesley doesn't know what to do when mommy and daddy are fighting
Usually one of them tells him to shut up but nobody so much as looked at him.
best thing he can do for anyone or everyone is to shut up.
His acting is great with the non-verbal communication. I love the way he pauses and looks around, disoriented, after getting orders from Riker.
Is Riker daddy?
Damn why all the Wesley hate in the replies
Notice what was the detail that busted them: they are a species where everyone is constantly communicating telepathically with each other, they hide no secret, they couldn't expect a Federation knowledge could be kept secret from cadets...
If they read his mind to run that scheme, it is extremely unlikely they did not comprehend secrecy and where its related memory is attached to information memory.
But it is hard to examine the whole plot in these fragments.
The show is full of lazy writing, though.
@@Dowlphin I didn't mean that they don't _comprehend_ secrecy (after all this whole scene is kind of a lie, a form of secrecy), only that they are _used_ to it so little that a mistake in its regard can easily occur.
That opening mutiny scene is terrific. Love the non-verbal communication.
I am most impressed that they doesn't have fail safes where they can strip a commander of his command in times of these when the captain willingly risk the safety of his crew and ship just for the fun of it. That special code would invalidate the need of a mutiny. (Yes i kmow it wasn't Picard)
@@raggarbergman they do. the first medical officer can rule the captain is no longer capable of command
One of my favorite scenes in the entire series.
Not Riker's first time ehh?
I love how it ultimately falls to Worf and Data to decide, as either could utilize force to control the bridge.
I just gotta say, I love Riker and Worf's relationship. It wasn't showcased too often, but they were so ride-or-die for each other when the chips were down.
Maybe so, maybe not. I mean, they undoubtedly did trust & respect each other to ACT in that manner here. My rebuttal would be the question of "why". Of course, yes, they undoubtedly were portrayed as friends, although there was also an obvious portrayal of a long-standing context of rivalry between them as well.
But perhaps you fail to appreciate the primary importance in this scene particularly, of military hierarchy/authority rules here. Or in this case, the Exceptions to those Rules. My point being: These would likely be pretty much their same actions, if they were merely working Starfleet colleagues who barely knew each other at all on any personal level. If for example, Worf's "Security Chief" position were newly occupied by some other random officer who happened to be recently transferred on board and was effectively only a brand-new acquaintance to any of the regular crew.
For comparison, see the dynamic between Denzel Washington's character with the "COB" (Chief Of the Boat) in the movie Chrimson Tide, during the crux of the initial Command Crisis between Washington's "Newly-transferred XO" and the "Old-guard Captain" played by Gene Hackman. The XO and COB were only newly aquainted, i.e., just began working together on that cruise. (XO's only prior friend aboard, was the Weapons Officer with whom he had served previously.) Despite the whole crew's trust of their longtime Captain, the COB and others immediately supported the new XO's objections, OVER their personal loyalty to their CO. Because as Riker says here, the "safety of the crew and the ship" (or in the Crimson Tide scene, the safety of whole nations... but, y'know, same idea), OVERRIDES feelings of friendship or personal loyalty, in the mind of any philosophically-competent senior officer.
To put it another way: Riker was certainly at least as much of the "Ride or Die" mindset/sentiment toward Picard, as toward anyone else in his life, no? That loyalty becomes quickly irrelevant, if/when Picard goes demonstrably "off the rails" in his professional actions. In that respect, his personal regard for the Skipper becomes moot, the moment it becomes clear to him that this isn't actually Picard standing in front of him at all. It's somebody else. Then when Worf sides with him, it's not because of personal loyalty to Riker. It's because he's made the same observation of the "Captain", and comes to the same conclusion.
riker was literally ready to throw away his career and mercy kill warf at his request@@boatrat
@@ZJasmineDragon First, you'd have to point me to that particular scene, as I'm not a good enough Trekkie to remember it right off hand.
But all I was trying to explain here, was not that there WASN'T a very high personal loyalty between Riker and Worf. There certainly was. I agree about that part.
What I'm trying to point out, is if you understand anything about the Military Mindset (traditions, protocols, command structure, command obligations, and personal relationship issues within that working context), you'd realize that DESPITE the loyalty between Riker and Worf, that's simply NOT the main motive driving this interaction at all, in this particular case.
Two entirely unrelated things, can both be true at the same time.
the famous "warf crushed by a barrel" episode. He gets so crippled even Starfleet can't operate, and he will be paralyzed forever. As this is a dishonor, warf asks a fellow warrior and friend, riker, to perform a mercy killing, as is their tradition. After a long struggle through the episode, Riker eventually does it. The would Riker inflicts were able to be reversed in time, and Warf healed entirely, but that was the episode@@boatrat
They're a classic friendship story. Neither trusts the other initially, but through shared experience they ultimately come to respect eachother hugely.
But I agree with the comments here to an extent- starfleet officers don't blindly follow rules. Even Data weighs up how likely a command given is authentic before he executes it. So friendship isn't the only thing at work here. Worf is questioning Picard's judgement, not his authority.
Picard “I found it unlikely that a Bolian would have hair, so I tested you!”
Maybe he thought she was an Andorian who suffered an accident?
@@expectingbrainchild1707 Andorians have white hair and also this "cadet" did say she was from the Bolian system
@@bfth121 Bolian males do not grow hair. Hair on females is rare and seems to be a recessive trait.
@@bfth121 Where did this info come from? Very little is known about the Bolians.
Well, look at the Tril, Borg from TNG and Voyager differences, first Cardassians, and was there after season 3 a Ferengi Marauder in any other episode of the Star Trek?
I like to think most of the crew is kept in the dark about the episode plots and they just think all the senior officers are weirdos.
That's more or less the setup of Lower Decks.
😆🤣
Mr. Thaal: "I hope you're satisfied, Picard! You've accomplished *nothing!"*
Picard: "Shut up, Wesl......Mr. Thaal!"
_YOUNG FEMALE CADET:_ You are correct, Captain Picard. I am... three separate adult-sized guys!
_CAPTAIN PICARD:_ As I *_SUSPECTED_*
@@Dorian-_-Gray CAPTAIN PICARD: Strange. I expected four.
The mutiny scene is a prime example of how important cinematography and editing are to have a lasting impression on the audience. The scene stuck in my head when I first watched it as a child and it never left me to this day. Growing up I always thought it was just because of the terrific acting and the ominous music playing in the background.
But once I learned more about filmmaking, I realized what really fascinated me all these years. Picard's close-up with Riker walking towards him out of focus to belay the order. The focus shifting to Riker standing in between Picard and Worf. The close-up of the now turned Picard with the pulsar shining behind him and illuminating his cold eyes. The shifting of the focus between Riker and Worf to mutiny without saying a single word while the light from the pulsar illuminates the bridge. Back to a close-up of Picard with the pulsar in the background and fade to black.
This is just ingenious cinematography and editing that really sells this scene to the audience.
The blocking is excellent too. Riker slowly moving into, and holding, the central position of the bridge whilst Picard is gradually relegated to the rear of the frame off-centre.
Great analysis. I loved the multiple shift of focus between the characters as a way to keep the tension going.
The focus shifting really is nice in the scene. However the prominent inclusion of Picard's ass in the side shots, not so sure how great that was.
Data: We will not survive the pulsar
Picard: Keep going.
*laughs in Janeway*
Those were TWIN pulsars . . . on the other side of the galaxy ( while undergoing scientifically- induced pms, no less )!
Janeway??? This is Star Trek, lets keep the references to Star Trek and not some shit show that makes Roddenberry spin in his urn!
@@js0988 Wow okay, by that measure literally every ST series other than TOS and TNG (up to S3) can't be mentioned on here? Bear in mind that TNG got a LOT better after Gene stopped being active in it's production.
@@dmanc85 Yes, TNG got better. Everything after that is pure garbage.
@@js0988 Ah being an elitist prick nice, Voyager wasn't bad, DS9 was boring, but not bad, after that sure hate on it
"we do all have something in common: the one thing that none of us have in common"
The writing !!
A 'Spaceballs' moment
I tried this with my parents once. It didn’t work and the experiment continues.
How'd your dad react when your mom started glowing and turned into three dudes
I love the light from the pulsar running across the screen inside the bridge. Very dramatic, when the film crew could have just ignored it.
"The sound of your voice is beginning to anger me" is a wonderful way to shut someone up LOL
she turned into four men like damn🤣🤣
I really enjoyed this episode. We have so much fiction about doppelgangers and mimics, and we tend to forget that appearance and voice are not the only way we identify each other. Something to keep in mind as we enter the age of undetectable CGI and deep fakes.
The problem is much worse. If you write customer support and get a response that is hardly on-topic and very off, it is hard to tell whether you wrote a bot or just a human drone.
But it probably doesn't even matter much in that context. Actions need to yield appropriate/skillful reactions.
Dowglin is too optimistic.
Depressed people, children, autistics, and the financially struggling are just a short list of people who are struggling to form positive habits, and do not have a proper "In Character" behavior mode to be identified by.
Furthermore addicts trying to break negative habits must act outside their comfort zones, and people who play role-playing games may be being played by the game as opposed to mastering playing it.
It will be almost impossible to determine reality merely by In Character or Out of Character traits.
These were useful before but will be less useful now that they may be effectively counterfeited. Learning how they work only hastens the cat and mouse chase between authentic identification and false positives.
Worf gave the best "I don't give any fucks" about "Picard"'s orders that I've ever seen.
On a klingon ship the first officer would have killed the captain.
Maybe 😏🤔 the first officer would have relieved him of command like Riker did to the Klingon Captain, then Worf stunned him!
Surprised the real Picard didn't punish Worf for it after. Could easily see:
Picard: Mr. Worf, apparently you defied the order of my double while I was away. A letter of reprimand will appear on your record.
Worf: All due respect Sir, but wtf? That was your double on a suicidal mission and I don't see you reprimanding Commander Riker. How is this fair, Sir?
Picard: Mr. Worf, I'm not about to explain this to you. Now before I have to restrict you to quarters, you will exit this ready room with a smile, else another reprimand will appear for defying my orders once again!
@@oldtwinsna8347 Worf smile? That's a very rare thing to see
When *Warf* disobeys a direct order...stop and think about that order some more.
Edit: I'm aware of the misspelling but its kind of funny so I'm leaving it in.
Warf eh
@@mmjahink There was briefly talk of a 'Star Trek Captain Warf' series, that the actor that played him tried to get funded, but he didn't get enough support for it.
@@stephanginther9051 It probably didn't take because of the spelling error.
@@mmjahink Lol
@@stephanginther9051 Ow my gawd, that is something I would like to see...
A spaceship captained by Worf the Klingon.. I would recommend to have good loyal sidekick as his second; "Barf" the Mog from "Spaceballs".
This episode would have worked much better if we didn't know that Picard had been abducted.
I aggree but tng was written in at a time were writers thought there audiences were idiots that couldn't put to and to togather
@@matthewjones2095 audiences are still idiots. they envy the attention spans the goldfish have.
The B plot wouldn't have been nearly as interesting without Picard.
...the episode where the entire A plot was from Picard's perspective? No, I don't think it would
@@matthewjones2095 TNG is MUCH smarter than anything on TV in the last years. You're just wrong if you think TV writers have more respect for their audience today than in the 80s.
Good thing Wesley didn't pull a Riker, "picked up a phaser and defended my Captain."
I think common sense stopped him from doing that, since nobody counter-mutiny'd against Riker.
Holy shit now I'm envisioning that Pegasus deck scene in a whole new light...
First appearance of the proto DS9 uniform.
They made it for the cadets and realized, "Oh crap that actually looks really good"
fun fact for the B5 heads in the crowd, the angry anarchist Esoqq is played by Dukhat's actor.
2:04 I'm guessing Morn buys his clothes from the chalnoth!!!
If only Commander Riker had confined Patrick Stewart to quarters before the start of Star Trek: Picard. :-)
@Definitely not the Question Can we please make him redshirt Picard?
@Definitely not the Question it isn't brain capacity he is lacking.
I feel like Picard could've overcome this reaction if he'd given a better speech. In 'All Good Things' he is able to convince his crew to do into a suicidal mission
Maybe so. Of course this isn't really Picard.
"You are correct Captain Picard, but one last thing I must ask before I end this experiment, I see four researchers, how many do you see Picard?"
There ... Are ... THREE L...RESEARCHERS!
Who knew Picard would turn out to be a rage quitter?😂
Seems like a good move if a 7 foot alien is getting hungry, and he's your cell mate. 😇
3:44 Starfleet classified the existence of that plague and you just told everyone about it. Good luck with that clearance, Jean Luc.
Esoqq's cool once you get to know him
The others in the room wouldn't have any context or details.
Every clip I watch is an episode that I end up washing later in the day, thanks for that
Cool, hope all those episodes end up sparkling clean. lol
Another display of Picard's intellect and deductive power.
"Doppelganger" Picard: You made moving closer to a hazardous zone look so easy in "All Good Things, Part Two."
"Real" Picard: 😎
Love how Worf ignores and disobeys Picard’s orders because he wouldn’t stab his bro in the back
The crew in the back of the bridge must be thinking "wtf is going on!?". And I guess this didn't stop later when Picard returned.
Yea, and they hear a lot of classified information but it does it matter. As soon as the ship encounter duress and the control panels start exploding with sparklers, they will die. So might as well let them get a small taste of the good life.
As I suspected, you were three tiny men standing on each other's shoulders!
The Nausicaan did a pretty good job of acting like a Kzinti, which is of course what they are meant to be. It's just easier to put a werewolf mask on a tall guy than have a 500 pound, 8 foot tall tigerman on set.
There's no Nausicaan in this episode. You mean the tall guy with fangs? He's a Chalnoth. Don't think we ever saw one of those before or after. The character might be why they put the Nausicaan fangs on the outside, though. Apparently they had to have someone standing just off camera to take this guy's fangs out because they were so uncomfortable.
However in the cartoon Lower Decks, they have a Kzinti!
@@Dorian-_-Gray I checked memory alpha out of curiosity, and you're almost right - it was the contact lenses that were uncomfortable. Still a unique look and interesting tidbit about society and biology; they seem like they'd make fun antagonists.
@@david2869 that's not canon
@@david2869 that isn't a kzinti but a Caitan
Imagine if they just blindly obeyed the duplicate and droves right into the pulsar.
you're the best TNG channel. thanks
Here’s to the finest crew in Starfleet! 🖖😀🥂
Riker: _Engage._ 😎
Captain Jean Luc Picard of the USS Enterprise…
Wesley looks like , " holy shit man , I dont want to be here right now " 😅
I don't seem to recall this episode at all, nice.
"I've decided to conduct a little experiment of my own. Let's see what happens when I use my chainsaw on you!"
2:00 - "The sound of your voice is beginning to anger me." I'm glad that I wasn't the only one to find his pandering and submissive tone annoying.
Picard: "belay that belay that"
i am on a mini binge watching your uploads. i have one complaint. the piano outro theme you have selected is to DAMM addictive. every time I hear it .I MUST claw my fingers and air play the piano like a hyper lunatic. I love it!!. now release your hold on me at once!
Gotta love worfs reaction.
Allegiance. Mi fav STAR TREK TNG episode. 💖
Seen the thumb, thought it was that girl from TOS that was mute that had to save Bones.
Whenever the best Captain of the Enterprise is questioned, I laugh as if the very issue is a joke!!!
This is an intriguing contrast to the series finale, “All Good Things,” where Captain Picard had to inspire the “series premiere” crew to join their two future selves to go into the tachyon anomaly where they would most likely perish.
Her being the only Bolian, male or female, who ever had hair should’ve been the first giveaway she wasn’t who she said she was.
female bolians can have hair. its a recessive trait.
4:16 - Alien appears next to Esoqq....who immediately snaps it's neck.
I don't like how this mutiny scene was written. It's too easy to agree with the mutiny because it was about avoiding entering a suicide death trap for no good reason. If it had been more ambiguous and grey, such as Picard ordering them to fire on an unarmed Romulan colony, would have been more tense.
So, here Picard is kept hostage by a troll, a guy wearing a scale model of the Sydney Opera House on his head and Lorene Yarnell in her mime makeup. The costumers were really hitting those 'shrooms extra hard that week.
That cadet always creeped me out a bit. I was just waiting for her to fall apart down the center seam.
Ich kenne die Szene: Kamo sowas vor wie: "Ihhh! Himmbere!" "Wenn der dich Haut, ich helf dir nicht!"
Always wondered why they'd declare the plague a secret.
"Good lord, didn't anyone here... subscribe"
Thank you.
Teacher : Class, for our trip we will go and visit an escape room!
That one person in Class : 2:07
It's like she was made in a factory using a mould.
Picard revealed state secrets to three random aliens.
Picard loved all that Poirot stuff. Taking the whole ruse apart piece by piece using logic, reason and investigative savvy. However, he didn’t need to be quite so smug.
Sir, I can not in good conciseness obey that order.
Mr. Riker, give me your phaser!
Sir?
I said give me your phaser! Now!
[whoosh!]
Mr. Data! ... Mr Data! You are now my first officer. My order still stands. Will you execute it?
Picard's dupe should have given Wesley some PTSD for not obeying him.
The outro gets me everytime on this channel
After he called her out I was hoping she would pull down a zipper from the top of her head to reveal the 2 beings inside.
LOL she looks like she came from the factory with the moulding line too visible (made in China).
Caine Muntiny, did someone steal Picards tea?
this, THIS is the PICARD we should have had in ST PICARD - not the weak bumbling old man
You can break down the desaster of Discovery and Picard to one person: Alex Kurtzman. That man doesn't have any idea how Star Trek, the ships in the show or even the laws of physic in space are working. He is only interested in making money and bringing a political agenda into this universe and shove it down the viewers throat.
@@Anthyrion glad your kind is being kicked out of trek. Imagine thinking star trek isnt political, lmao
@@Chris-Smith Yes, Trek was always kind of political. But not this way. It showed us, how we could make it better. A hopeful future where violence should be the last resort and not the first. Also: Why is the federation now a slave owner? Those working androids were nothing but slaves which are doing the work for the humans. And if you mean, that "my kind" is being kicked out of Trek, that would be the same as you would say "I'm glad, Roddenberrys vision is being kicked out"
@@Anthyrion the show points out that its BAD what the federation was doing. You really didnt watch or are placing your own bias over what you are watching, lmao. No, by your kind, i mean right wingers/conservatives
@@Chris-Smith Man, i'm not even from the US and definitly not conservative or from the right wing. All i want is good Star Trek with good Storylines. But since Nemesis the producers are seeming to concentrate more on action and how to kill the Franchise. I have to admit, the dynamic between the actors in Abrams' movies was good, but the story was not. But Discovery and Picard showed us only stupid storylines and mostly stupid characters who shouldn't be in Starfleet
I imagine Worf leading (following?) by example had an effect on young Crusher and perhaps Data as well.
Very Doctor Whoish episode
My favorite scene.
What’s amazing is it took this long for them to make a change.
Horrible, command skills.
Picard should have asked Data and lets see how his digital mind would react
Don't you just hate it when it turns out the cadet with that weird ridge running down her entire face is actually three people? Or when you're trying to get your crew killed and they disobey your orders?
Captain Picard and mutant-y. Hmmm... Well, Data has super-strength. 😄
here for the clip, but lol at the unexpected brak at the end... (in my little cloud)
wait... how did 3 come out? was she 3 aliens in a trenchcoat?
She was 3 people.
Damn, I wanted to hear what Data would say
And now which ever soil I stepped into I we'll be destroyed.
Always wondered what the plan of the Picard duplicate was. I mean,did it WANT to kill the Enterprise? And if yes,to what end? I would assume the copy would try to behave like normal Picard, not try to destroy his ship.
They were studying the concept of authority right? I guess they wanted to see what the crew would do in response to unreasonable authority
@@henryam503 what if it backfired though. I guess if they did obey the fake Picard, at the last minute the fake Picard would of made the order to leave the Pulsar
Beans.
Is it just me or does anyone else really f****** love the outro sequence?
I was already distroyed when I step into this soil.
A real pulsar wouldn't look that big unless they were VERY close to it. The things are only 10 miles in diameter. It should have been a dot.
Ate Carolina Gold BBQ beans while watching this. 😁
Riker mutiny! 😂
When the imposter is sus
The CGI on this holds up so fucking well
Very disappointed in how long it took Wesley to respond when Riker gave the order.
I think that decision was incredibly hard for him. He looks up to Picard like a father figure and is trying to be good Starfleet material but that doesn't mean he doesn't have common sense. Having two higher ups give you conflicting orders as your other much ore experienced crew mates are also torn on what to do must be incredibly stressful
something in common vs difference in reaction to authority... pick one picard...oxymorons are obviously untrue.
And that, Facebook, is why you do not run experiments on people without their knowledge or consent.
Good Klingon.
Helm move closer I want to die my will to live has come to an end so move closer that's an order helm!!!!
Is the hair on that Bolian woman a rare thing for their species, or a mistake that thee aliens made? You'd think a species that could disguise themselves as another species flawlessly would know things about hair.
OK, as the years go by, that starfleet cadet is looking hotter and hotter. I guess I'm no longer a juvenile.
(Fake) Picard: Helm move us closer.
Data: Sir, if we do that, we will all die.
(Fake) Picard: Take us in, Mr. Crusher.
Wesley: Aye, Sir.
(Enterprise explodes)
Like, bruh what did you expect lol just press that button and kill everyone on the ship for no reason
Why was the duplicate Picard intent on moving the Enterprise closer to the star?
3:35
The look on that face is the kinda look you hope for when you are about to finish.
Then 3:53 when it's over.
Can't put much over Picard. Which is most likely why he is the commanding officer of the Federation's flagship.
He's the commanding officer because he used his deduction skills to find blackmail material on everyone else.
@@foxymetroid No, he is the commanding officer because he knows how to get things done. They aren't going to put an extortionist in command of their flagship. Were that the case they would ruin his reputation with manufactured evidence and cashiered him out of the service.
"It's the only logical explanation" Alright Mr 160 IQ it's not that simple for most people lol