Just my own opinion. US politicians still enjoy the glory of destory USSR. They think that USSR was much larger and powerful than China. They can destory USSR, they can destory China, too.
Look at it this way …. Chinese stop buying Gucci and Ferragamo …….and Italians stop buying normal priced T shirts and pants in supermarkets. Or no CHINESE TOURIST to Italy. Who do you think will suffer ? NO BRAINER.
Tshirt and pants? WTF are you talking about? Chinese products are way more sophisticated than anything an Italian can offer. As a Chinese, you should get your facts right, even though you meant well.
@@lordlee6473 I was referring to normal supermarket level goods. Off course, China sells more stuffs than just those. Trade is a win win. Italy will not benefit by sidelining China. Chinese will not suffer much if they don’t buy Gucci or Ferragamo.
@@windsong3wong828and regarding the "chinese will suffer by not be able to buy gucci" part is ridiculous too 😂, these brands although valued by chinese consumers, their significance are dropping considerably due to various reasons, and its not even a new phenomenal, its been goingon for some times now. The trade between the two nations is completely different than what you think it is 😂😂
Meloni is easily the most pragmatic European leader right now. To think she was a junior minister in Berlusconi's cabinet just a few short years ago; this lady is indeed quite smart. Just look at Xi's body language with her; Xi does not appear in the least put off or offended that Meloni pulled out of BRI quite assertively. And now, she's pulling off a charm offensive in Beijing. Of course, Xi welcomes her "change of heart" towards China. Why not? China and Chinese leaders are themselves models of pragmatism. Meloni's narrative has really pulled the carpet from underneath Frau von Der Leyen this time. But if it's all in Italy's interest, why not?
How about we tell the full story? The previous agreement was a poorely done excrement made by previous leftist governments and it was almost cancelled by the same leftists who made it. Meloni Just made a new and Better deal. Just as she was supposed to as a leader.
Its actually quite a laughable statement when you break it down. All countries try to produce more than they need so they can export. And the numbers are even more amusing. China is only exporting about 15% of their EVs, where if you look at a country like Germany it exports over 80% of their cars manufactured. I really do tire of these talking points they drum up in some think tank and pretend like they're smart.
Not "funny" Sensible. Look from the other perspective and to see on one hand China thriving, building infrastructure in expanding markets.... And on the other USA contracting, applying "tariffs" (sanctions) with a failing system. If you're a *smart* Politician you go with the country which offers growth (and just btw has 4 times the population as a potential market)
@@rogerstarkey5390 yes its always funny to see a leader from the western hagemony crawling back to China after trashing them. If you dont see it that way you are either a hardcore meloni simp or a western apologist so your sense of humor probably sucks.
She has to do what was best at the time. Since EU with Van De Layen constant war mongering, its clear she has no plan to recover Europe from the poor economic performance. one can only commended Meloni for her astuteness to break away from the war mongering faction and think for her country not for the EU. I say she is very smart and decisive in her strategy.
Chinese do not forget so easily of Meloni's arrogance if only you understood what Xi Jin Ping told her straight in her face during the meeting, Meloni felt so sheepish like a child being reprimanded for her tantrums
I was expecting the "But at what cost?" yet somehow it didn't come. Strange. I got used to that if the headline is a little non-negative on China it always followed with that question.
Hahahaha, they are looking for new strategy of reporting, you have to be patient honey, the world didnt take the "overcapacity" narrative well now they are working on something else, wait and see
Meloni is a surprise, her moves to establish dialogue with China must admit was either a stupid move or she is in fact really smart that we misjudged her ability. I think its clear she genuinely is smart and certainly thinking strategic. Having China to establish EV manufacturing, even with some subsidies, still is a big win for Italy - jobs, jobs, jobs for Italy. With the current increase cost of living, I hope my country, Australia, learns from Meloni tact. Our country can benefits financially from it i.e establish EV manufacturing.
Italy can set up huge Mozzarella,Mascarpone,etc Cheese factory in China. Also brand name pizza franchise similar in scale as Mc Donald or Kentucky Fried Chicken.
All the China bashing Western countries are lining up to visit Beijing and beg for help. China, however, will judge each country based on their actions and not words.
All said and done, Italy sincerely co-operate and work with China benefits more. It is a win, win issue for all party. When a weaker country work with a stronger country benefits in term of Finance, Infrastructure, develops trade and economy to peace and prosperity. China market is huge and it depend how good she is to capture a big slice of the market like what Elon Musk did. Elon Musk refused to move his business out of China because he made his billions with 10 years. There is more to gain and many country prefer to join BRICS than become an ally of the US.
Dearth of leadership in italy and also the rest of Europe is a big problem. China is only interested in doing trade and it is the only way to better the lives of the people involved in win win economic activities. Cutting off Belt and Road was the biggest mistake she has made. Xi's willingness to meet her was a magnanimous gesture from a great leader. I read she signed some deals with China for 3 years. Let's hope this time she will honour them. We must also accept that being wiman she can be fickle too.
China in bad shape? Where did ya get this optic? IMF just recently augmented China's 2024 GDP growth rate from 4.7% to 5% where as S'pore is the real concern here! If you don't fact check or research on this topic, I'd suggest ya to just shut the F up. lol
Co-operation always a win-win situation. Containment and sanctions are the acts of a desperate loser(s)!!
Right you are.
China must be desperate to get their junk products Out to EU as USA disengaged with CCP totally.
Trump.
@@haoruchen4216 and Biden too
Thats america
US always forgets how large China is, rolling my eyes ~~~
Just my own opinion. US politicians still enjoy the glory of destory USSR. They think that USSR was much larger and powerful than China. They can destory USSR, they can destory China, too.
the empire never forgets who poked a hole in the WW2 myth in the Korean War, and the Viet-Nam war. the empire's Pivot to Asia is pie in the sky.
China is an Overcapacity, when it wants to. It now is.
Look at it this way ….
Chinese stop buying Gucci and Ferragamo …….and Italians stop buying normal priced T shirts and pants in supermarkets.
Or no CHINESE TOURIST to Italy.
Who do you think will suffer ?
NO BRAINER.
Tshirt and pants? WTF are you talking about? Chinese products are way more sophisticated than anything an Italian can offer. As a Chinese, you should get your facts right, even though you meant well.
There are millions of Chinese waving communist flag in Milan and Rome chinatown
@@lordlee6473
I was referring to normal supermarket level goods.
Off course, China sells more stuffs than just those.
Trade is a win win.
Italy will not benefit by sidelining China.
Chinese will not suffer much if they don’t buy Gucci or Ferragamo.
Fun fact, these "t shirts" are no longer made in china, at least rarely, i personally not happy about this tbh, but oh well what can you do 😂
@@windsong3wong828and regarding the "chinese will suffer by not be able to buy gucci" part is ridiculous too 😂, these brands although valued by chinese consumers, their significance are dropping considerably due to various reasons, and its not even a new phenomenal, its been goingon for some times now.
The trade between the two nations is completely different than what you think it is 😂😂
Meloni is easily the most pragmatic European leader right now.
To think she was a junior minister in Berlusconi's cabinet just a few short years ago; this lady is indeed quite smart.
Just look at Xi's body language with her; Xi does not appear in the least put off or offended that Meloni pulled out of BRI quite assertively.
And now, she's pulling off a charm offensive in Beijing. Of course, Xi welcomes her "change of heart" towards China. Why not? China and Chinese leaders are themselves models of pragmatism.
Meloni's narrative has really pulled the carpet from underneath Frau von Der Leyen this time. But if it's all in Italy's interest, why not?
She was anti China before
Well she doesnt have dirt in CIA's hands yet
How about we tell the full story? The previous agreement was a poorely done excrement made by previous leftist governments and it was almost cancelled by the same leftists who made it. Meloni Just made a new and Better deal. Just as she was supposed to as a leader.
Well said.
As long as Italy is not planning to invade Beijing, and China is not planning to invade Rome, why not just sit down for business.😁
Hmm, if the west claims that China has overcapacity then why is Italy went to Beijing to asking for investment in capacity?
Its actually quite a laughable statement when you break it down. All countries try to produce more than they need so they can export.
And the numbers are even more amusing. China is only exporting about 15% of their EVs, where if you look at a country like Germany it exports over 80% of their cars manufactured.
I really do tire of these talking points they drum up in some think tank and pretend like they're smart.
Smart woman.
Viva China-Italy friendship!
I can't believe CNBC says *Win-Win.*
Some of us, states within India, will also like a friendly relations and win-win with China. ❤❤❤
We love India too. You have 40% population of being vegetarians. We admire that and want to get close to that number.
Good to hear, lets trade! Ofc you have to go through mr. Modi for that unfortunately
@@timzhang808why would u want to be vegetarians? That's one reason why india doesn't win anything at the Olympics
@@SlimJim3082 Yes I have been a vegetarian for 20 years. It's good for the animals and good for the our health, good for the environment.
not really true...@@timzhang808
friendship is a lot better than confrontations..
Italy and China working for win-win cooperation and collaboration sounds real good. About time!
Her next visit can be
1) Russia
2) After her one week visit, Rest of the Europe will follow a visit to China
Funny just how last year Italy backed out of BRI and now made a 180. Not the first western country having to crawl back to China lmao
Not "funny"
Sensible.
Look from the other perspective and to see on one hand China thriving, building infrastructure in expanding markets.... And on the other USA contracting, applying "tariffs" (sanctions) with a failing system.
If you're a *smart* Politician you go with the country which offers growth (and just btw has 4 times the population as a potential market)
@@rogerstarkey5390 yes its always funny to see a leader from the western hagemony crawling back to China after trashing them. If you dont see it that way you are either a hardcore meloni simp or a western apologist so your sense of humor probably sucks.
She has to do what was best at the time. Since EU with Van De Layen constant war mongering, its clear she has no plan to recover Europe from the poor economic performance. one can only commended Meloni for her astuteness to break away from the war mongering faction and think for her country not for the EU. I say she is very smart and decisive in her strategy.
Chinese do not forget so easily of Meloni's arrogance if only you understood what Xi Jin Ping told her straight in her face during the meeting, Meloni felt so sheepish like a child being reprimanded for her tantrums
@@kristianhamlooking at how Xi is smiling I can say the Chinese don't see your imaginary arrogance
After Elon Musk suggested the Maduro Government in Venezuela should go, I'm looking to buy BYD not Tesla.
Never forget to remind oneself : to be a friend of the US is fatal.
I was expecting the "But at what cost?" yet somehow it didn't come. Strange. I got used to that if the headline is a little non-negative on China it always followed with that question.
🤣
Hahahaha, they are looking for new strategy of reporting, you have to be patient honey, the world didnt take the "overcapacity" narrative well now they are working on something else, wait and see
Your right......but at what cost? 😅😅😅
I feel emppty without it? So I started saying in almost every news.
That's phrase is almost always said in the asian lapdog country when talking about China,that CNA
She realized she made a mistake in pulling out of the Belt and Road initiative.
BRI, not BRICS. But yeah, a silly mistake which of course she was forced to make because of US and EU pressure.
@@pbworld7858 Yup sorry. I made the correction.
What is win win? China is in no hurry to do anything italian. It is the italy looking and seeking help from China😂😂
When you look at the last G7 picture, whos gonna stay in power through next years?
Meloni should seek help from her Master in the US, don't go back begging China for help. Italy was too arrogant and proud, beggars cannot be chosers.
The options are actually very simple; cooperate on an equal footing with China or become subordinate to the US under all pressure.
LMAO WHAT! Cnbc talking about "win win", bruh thats NOT your thing, yours is "winner takes all" 😂😂😂
Yes
With more than 6 billions population we need to survive trade is better than war, we need to work together as human not wild animals
Meloni is a surprise, her moves to establish dialogue with China must admit was either a stupid move or she is in fact really smart that we misjudged her ability. I think its clear she genuinely is smart and certainly thinking strategic. Having China to establish EV manufacturing, even with some subsidies, still is a big win for Italy - jobs, jobs, jobs for Italy. With the current increase cost of living, I hope my country, Australia, learns from Meloni tact. Our country can benefits financially from it i.e establish EV manufacturing.
Italy can set up huge Mozzarella,Mascarpone,etc Cheese factory in China.
Also brand name pizza franchise similar in scale as Mc Donald or Kentucky Fried Chicken.
All the China bashing Western countries are lining up to visit Beijing and beg for help. China, however, will judge each country based on their actions and not words.
Begging like a beggar
US politicking cannot stop global trader
Meloni is strong and dont get con by the big brother
I think she is a leader that not many european can follow.
Sorry to say .. not Germany ..
Germany France will be red faced
She's talked dirty to China. Now it's reversed. 😂
All said and done, Italy sincerely co-operate and work with China benefits more. It is a win, win issue for all party. When a weaker country work with a stronger country benefits in term of Finance, Infrastructure, develops trade and economy to peace and prosperity. China market is huge and it depend how good she is to capture a big slice of the market like what Elon Musk did. Elon Musk refused to move his business out of China because he made his billions with 10 years. There is more to gain and many country prefer to join BRICS than become an ally of the US.
The Germans and US do not want EV factories I my opinion.
Who cares!! They wont even be considered anyway!!😮😮
Meloni clearly understands which side their bread is buttered.
Basically President Zi tells PM Meloni you want China Industrial EV investments then vote the tax hike out.
The eu "taxhike" wasn't too bad tbh, it was more like a gesture than anything else, 25%😂? How avout 125%? Thats a proper hike
@@chriscain7333 125% is an outright ban, not a tax hike.
Negotiation with other countries is just like playing chess.
Because of America's downfall starts now.
Dearth of leadership in italy and also the rest of Europe is a big problem. China is only interested in doing trade and it is the only way to better the lives of the people involved in win win economic activities. Cutting off Belt and Road was the biggest mistake she has made. Xi's willingness to meet her was a magnanimous gesture from a great leader. I read she signed some deals with China for 3 years. Let's hope this time she will honour them. We must also accept that being wiman she can be fickle too.
China is always for win-win cooperation
America had the win-win deal with China and they weren't content, so what will be different this time?😅😂
Macron and Scholz will be coming next.
They already visited a month or two ago
Its funny She cuts BRI initiatives and at the same time wooing money ? You know what are coming?
@@shaqisumari304 EU want her to leave RBI, instead she went around did it differently.
FJB: Where's my 10%?
marco polo 2.0
😂😂
Italians will get new Chinese AI Brain Chips.
USA WHAT A PITTY
Western Medias..... Italy is giving China freebies in the trade contracts, and china need Italy badly because they are in a bad shape.🤣🤣🤣
China in bad shape? Where did ya get this optic? IMF just recently augmented China's 2024 GDP growth rate from 4.7% to 5% where as S'pore is the real concern here! If you don't fact check or research on this topic, I'd suggest ya to just shut the F up. lol
Are you insane.. IMF project 5% growth on China economy. Italy China more.
Ok. Smarty
Apparently us Chinese cant live without ferrari and gucci
Ummm...who is visiting who??
I thought Meloni was in China, not the other way around .
Get it right dick!!
Win win peaceful cooperation for full dictatorship with xina
Is she sayin mama mia "Baloni" to the US & the west.
A loss for US, bravo!