Disney dodged a bullet with The Princess and The Frog
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- Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2023
- Disney dodged a bullet with The Princess and The Frog (Sources: The Disney Dish podcast, OC Weekly, Essence, CBR.com, Disney corp press release)
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fun fact: the white family “maddy” was working for was lottie and big daddy and lottie was supposed to be a rich spoiled mean girl who bullied maddy. i’m so glad we ended up with one of the most greatest friendships in all of disney history
Lottie is an icon and they would've fked it up...they first idea in general SUK.. Like what made 2 white dudes think people want to watch MORE Black Pain themed movies in FANTASY??? It's FANTASY, I still don't like the premise bc it's STILL adding HISTORICAL connotations from a point in history, in FANTASY.
@@Cutthecamerasdeadass1899: As a black person, I agree
YESS
@kiranerysegordon5485 As a Black Woman, I don't agree...
IKR I have mixed feelings about the movie itself but my favorite thing about Princess and the Frog is Tiana and Charlotte being best friends. I'm all for girls supporting girls, especially when they're different ethnicity and or social class, they still love each other. Like, Charlotte was rich, blond,e and wore a lot of showy pink dresses, but she didn't act like the stereotypic mean girl.
Frog is not a slur in french. It's a slur use by English to talk about French
What? Its not never heard anyone called french a frog lol
@devilskiss8421 my mom came to the south young as a French Immigrant and yeah it was one of many lol
Well seeing that new Orleans has heavy French influence especially w the Cajun and creole culture, it wasn’t a good idea to put it in anyway lol
@@devilskiss8421 it’s old fashioned (like. 1800s) and fallen out of use but yeah it refers to the french. Like Limey referred to the English during the same time.
But frog wouldn’t be… a slur for Louisiana French… it was specifically French citizens or expats.
Je confirme, grenouille n'est pas une insulte en français !
Fun fact: Tiana only gets 20 minutes of screen time. She's a frog for almost all of the movie
Yes exactly. So although this clip implies consideration….there are still lingering elements, including minimal representation.
Still more Screentime then Aurora got
@@lunaris7342lol yes but there are other white princesses that are in plenty more minutes of their movie - but give the one example of less pls 🙄
@@laurynorder3965"minimal representation" shut the fuck up
They're just stating an objective fact, stop being salty. At least Tiana was still in most of the film, Aurora was just not there at all.
I like how 90% of the comments are correcting this short's misunderstandings and blatent errors.
He clearly didn’t learn from the story that he just told 😂😂😂
I am good looking. What about magic. I am andaluscia. I am 10.10 perfect...money.
It would seem that his research was negligible at best.
She wasn’t a head chef, she was a server/waitress who helped make certain things, but also had a passion for cooking and wanted to open a restaurant.
I mean, she was a head chef and owner by the end of the movie.
@@dracos0024 So, she worked to better herself and succeeded because of her skills? Not seeing the downside. They did it in MULAN (and negated it in the live-action version.)
@@daynechastant Easy, tiger. Not everything is an attack. I was simple stating a fact.
@@dracos0024 Bro tried to correct nothing. But I guess you did state a fact, just an irrelevant one.
She was a head chef of her own spot by the end of the film.
I dont think they dodged a bullet, more so they realized the gun there we're pointing at themselves was loaded
No, a bunch of fucking losers just cried until they got what they wanted
And unfortunately they still fired it. There’s a lot of really offensive things in the Princess and the Frog that to this day I’m shocked made it past Disney’s sensitivity readers.
@@ninjagirl226
I understand, but in order to talk about the past, you also need to talk about the dark and the bad that came in with those time periods.
Tiana's story is in Louisiana, a Southern state, in the 1920s when Jim Crow was still very big.
They still have to add a believable element into it. They still needed a conflict that would have not only worked with her story but would have also probably been very common in the time period Tiana lived.
They can't gloss over it like racism still never happened and still doesn't happen.
That's the double edged sword when talking about non-white people and casting them as characters in your story and having them be the main characters. On one hand, if you talk about the issues at the time, you could still be labeled as racist. Meanwhile, you could be seen as acting as if nothing happened if you gloss over it and act like racism never existed.
It's like no matter whether or not you add in culturally and ethnically and racially diverse characters, there's still going to be a group of people that's upset, whether you add in the POC characters or not.
@@gracegallimore4580Oh sweet summer child, the really bad stuff went right over your head didn’t it.
A lot of the bad stuff is the slur in one of the characters names. People still use it a lot in modern times but it’s so insulting and a reminder of constant abuse people suffered. It’s not a racist comment because I’m often called it despite being white but the character in the movie that’s called this is black.
Then you have the voodoo element which again not linked to race but it’s a closed religion and they are very very protective of it and don’t like it being used in media in a negative light, which it is by Facilier. They actually say you can’t display it without permission from the community. Or that’s what I’ve been hearing not part of that community but apparently they’ve been upset for years and are going after Hazbin Hotel for this now.
@@ninjagirl226 I can understand the other stuff but what does hazbin hotel have to do with any of it
It's also based off of the book "The Frog Princess" so I don't think that name in itself was a racist move by Disney
And the book is VASTLY different from what's even discussed in this short
I mean, it’s “The Frog Prince,” but yeah
@@ChristinaSobel more so the Russian fairy tale The Frog Princess than the better known German Frog Prince fairy tale.
@@ChristinaSobel The Disney movie is based off of the book "The Frog Princess" by E.D. Baker, if you look it up the cover of the book has a tag that says "inspired the hit movie The Princess and the Frog"
Also like... Racist against... The french???
Those are not concept arts by Disney. They’re fan arts by artist David Gilson…
I'm glad they changed it because I adore her friendship with Charlotte. Like she's crazy but she genuinely cares about Tiana.
Made even more evident when Lottie gave Tiana a dress she new would look amazing on her (and was right, Tiana looked gorgeous) and gave up on marrying Naveen when she saw Tiana was in love with him. Wasn't a sore loser whatsoever. Even though marrying a prince was her dream, I think one of her other big dreams was seeing Tiana (her hardworking best friend from childhood) get her happily ever after.
@@sarahhenry1845oooo this. Yes this.
Honestly I live fact both loved navien but when he picked tiana she was happy for tiana and wanted pt be there fpr her wedding
Oh yeah, the Black best friend dynamic never changed. She was stitches rich spoiled white girl with some benevolent moments and gestures to the poor hardworking best friend.
@@EmilythematerialgurlCharlotte didn't love Navien, she loved the idea of being a princess
The irony of them not wanting to get confuse people with the title, then she turns into a frog anyway 💀
At least they didn’t give it away with the title. 😅 (But they may have with the trailer, just don’t remember anymore)
Right?? They still ended up fucking up. 😑
But she is. Princess(sorta) that was turned into a frog and not a frog princess
That's not what he said/meant, he said that they didn't want them to think they were calling her a frog for any reason other than she literally turns into a frog.
The original fairytale is called The Frog Prince. Changing the story to make the girl turn into a frog as well, “The Frog Princess” makes total sense.
Bro is yapping, frog isn't a slur lmao
It's an insult for French people not a slur in French he got it backwards
It’s a French slur. Expand your thinking bubble.
@@quesoqueso7598 So you’re saying that we can’t insult the French by calling them Croaking, puffed up, almost harmless amphibians?
I’ll call them Frogs if I want to.
Racist ppl always call black ppl animals
@@quesoqueso7598Like Chloe said, it's a word other nationalities use against french people (like the word "cheese eating surrender monkeys"), but in french it isn't a slur at all. I'm french and no one in France will use this word to insult someone.
The Princess and the Frog is my favourite Disney movie of all time 💖
If that's dodging a bullet then Disney has been shooting itself with a machine gun for the past 10 years or so
Especially after all the stereotypes in "Elemental"...😅
@@stevencooper4422
There's a very thin line between Stereotypes and representations of specific bits of culture. Brave comes to mind.
Dang it, I laughed out loud. Thank you, random citizen.
@@stevencooper4422 Elaborate.
@@volcanojumperxdcyberspace8415
Replying because I want to know too.
Also, Disney still shot themselves with a pellet that no one seemed to notice because, yay, the villain of the Princess and the Frog is a Voodoo stereotype.
It’s More like they pointed a gun in their face, got told there was a gun in their face, then slowly put it down
New Disney holds a gun in it's face, is told it has a gun in it's face, and holds up a second one.
@@yourshoulderdevil5229disney been launching rockets at their own faces lately and still moving forward somehow
... why? Hell the movie could have been about a slave girl that became a princess, what'd be the problem in that?
@@deangoldenstar7997if the movie was about that then the biggest problem would be similar to Pocahontas where it romanticizes a heinous part of history. if the movie was based off a real love story between two slaves then that’d be fine, although i think most viewers don’t like being reminded about slavery and it’s a tricky subject to make a non documentary on
@deangoldenstar7997 a lot of black ppl are kinda sick of slave movies and civil rights movies rn, it feels like the only thing we're allowed to be seen in
Some old white guys had some racial blind spots? How shocking
Expecially at the fact that "Alladin" was the other big thing this video referenced like it was oOh WhOaH actually representing arabs in a positive way while it did fucking NOT do that. I hate the disney movie Alladin and I fucking hate how it's what so many non-middle eastners are thinking of when they think about middle east.
Watch Princess Sheherazade, an old french studio made series based on the 1001 Nights who no one seems to know with the main character being a major tribute to princess Scheherazade who was the storyteller of the 1001 Night stories. It's a series made by french so obviously it's not made by the middle east, but as a kid it was so much more of a welcoming feeling of a space than what Alladin ever was as an already ostariced mixed muslim kid in a highly white & christian normalized and enforced environment. Like. Even reaching far. Even with the remake of the intro song where arabs aren't called straight up barbarians. It was a very uncomfortable, devaluing experience that was hard to even understand myself due to not even having my brain all developed.
@@Noone-hp8zm Reminds me of Kirikou, Azure & Asmar, Samba et Leuk and The cities of Gold, all great cartoon and animes about non European culture made by France (sometimes collabing with other countries too like Japan). Can't remember if that one cartoon about twins from China was good though. Would be nice if true but I can't confirm if it's a good example.
The original version was almost the same as the book the story was based on-as Disney wanted it that way. Disney is famous for ignoring the criticisms of their employees and telling them to do it the way they want it. When it was finally pointed out to Disney how problematic the version they were asking for, they relented and let the leads for the movie change the story. Don't blame those two, blame the Disney execs-the ones who never listened to these two guys in the first place when they voiced other concerns about problematic issues in other films. They don't get the final say, Disney execs did. The two of them are actually good guys who fought for a lot of good things. If I recall correctly, they were the ones who pushed to do a film with a black female lead, and then had to deal with certain Disney execs pushing to keep it close to the book because they had paid for the rights to the story and by gosh were they going to use that story.
I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were the ones who started spreading the details of the film or pushed to get the information out there, knowing there would be backlash and that backlash would be the only thing to change the execs minds and save the project.
Honestly, I couldn't think of a better story for Disney's 2D animation to go out with a bang on. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see more 2D Disney movies be made, but there's just something so special about The Princess and the Frog. The rich Southern USA culture, Tiana's character growth away from something generally considered to be a "good thing" (working your absolute hardest for your dream) and to being content with what she has, and the wholesome character relationships; they all come together for an incredibly movie, and an incredible example of Disney magic. Honestly? I often find it patronizing when the girl of a romance is the hard-working, highly skilled, and goal-driven one who carries the incompetent boy; BUT The Princess and the Frog actually does it right. Tiana's father taught her to work hard for her dreams, but also what true familial love was. She had to work hard, especially with civil inequalities. This hard work naturally drove her to develop skill-wise and as a mature person. Prince Naveen was a spoiled kid who had everything handed to him, but actually admitted it and made an effort to change for Tiana when he fell in love with her as a person (rather than her looks).
The characters were so well-ritten, and came together for wonderful story-building in organic and heart-warming ways.
Give us more of this, Disney. Not Wish's BS.
Tiana isn't an "executive chef". She's a waitress at Dukes and I'm not sure her other job.
She only became an executive chef because her boyfriend bought her a restaurant.
You can stop commenting now, I have over 100 comments saying that I am wrong. I am right and you are just too soft skinned.
@@keiichimorisato98 Husband* and that wasn’t the only reason. Also she’s the owner and a princess, not just a chef. Get it right lol
@cherryberry4264 her husband is still the one that bought it. And no, she isn't a princess as she technically isn't royalty, and will never be queen, the prince had to give up his claim to the throne in order to be able to marry her.
@@keiichimorisato98He was broke lol. She bought the restaurant using her own money and with Louis (the alligator who befriended them) backing her up. Her husband had nothing to do with her being able to buy the restaurant.
@@naiadolling broke? The dude is a wealthy prince.
He left out the part that originally it was going to be set in antebellum times and she was going to fall in love with the Master’s son
Thank God they got the NAACP involved to steer they away from that
They had that gun loaded and pointed at them
OMG 💀 the gun was practically loaded
Jesus like how blind were they
@@pkmnpolitoed It's a grenade at this point
@@Ashbrash1998blind enough to make the first and only black princess they ever had be an animal for majority of her movie
I love this movie "Everybody knows 'Nawleans is the best jazz school in the world."
They didn't dodge a bullet, they dodged a magazine.
Frog is not a slur in French. It is a slur in English regarding the French.
It has nothing to do with white supremacy And everything to do with centuries of Anglo French rivalry.
Please don’t spread misinformation
You do know, that back then french peope were not considered white. So it has everything to do with White supremacy
French Canadian here. Was called a frog a lot in my childhood cause I moved outta Quebec and into Ontario. I never thought of it as an actual slur cause I’m half French Canadian half native Canadian and what I was called for being First Nations was far worse than frog. But yeah frog isn’t a slur in French.
I can't even tell if the dude in the video thought it was a racial slur or any other kind.
Also, dude how about you get your FACTS right...
What do you expect from the people who make these ‘informative’ shorts? Virtually every single one of them are complete dumbasses.
Oprah as an advisor is hilarious. You couldn’t find someone more out of touch with the common person.
As true as that is her involvement doesn't surprise me one bit. Getting Oprah involved is like the go to move in these kind of situations.
@@JohnDoe-wq5eugo to if you're also an out of touch Hollywood elite
Yeah, but that was back in the early 2000s and I guess they just needed someone black to fill the role.
well if she did something, she certainly didn't bring magic to the movie as I think it is one of the least indeering 2D animated disney unfortunately
@@stefanswiss3760 honestly, I only enjoy Tiana as a character. Everything else about the movie is just kinda boring or weird to me.
So basically people were complaining that the film was TOO historically accurate, then when it came out people complained that it didn't address racial history enough? You just can't win.
Nope, incorrect.
@@kayyfrmla7587 correct
Still a good movie in my opinion, loved the characters and the songs
@@Arkvalentine-vk1bx it's a great movie
@@oliviarogers2808 as a kid, I always wanted those sugar buns Tiana made lol
not sure how valid some of this is considering her character is based off of a real life woman who created her own cafe in New Orleans. Leah Chase of New Orleans started “Dooky Chase” and is the original inspiration for this beloved movie.
the only reason it was gonna be called the Frog Princess was bc it was loosely based on a book called the frog princess. i mean. im pretty sure thats why theyd call it that. i at least know it was loosely based on that book
It’s extremely extremely loosely based on a fairy tale that has a lot of different iterations and a lot of titles, but mostly Princess and the Frog. It’s about a girl who drops a ball down a well and the frog will give it back if she does all these things for him, the last of which is a kiss.
There’ve been lots of different versions and the change to make the princess into a frog instead of the frog into a princess is not original. Bagpuss did it years and years ago.
Good book but wildly different
@@happyllama1160The Frog Princess: Is from Russia...when it's time for the Kings 3 sons to marry they each shot arrows from tower and who ever brings back the arrows they must married...the oldest and middle sons arrows and brought back by noble women but the youngest son's is brought back by a Frog. The wives the have to complete 3 tasks. The Frog of course is a Princess enchanted.
@@happyllama1160The reason they’re saying it’s based on The Frog Princess is because it is; when I got my copy, it said “now a major motion picture!” On the cover. They’re very different (and The Frog Princess is obviously based on the original fairy tale) but The Frog Princess is where the idea of the princess herself becoming a frog came from.
Yeah, when you say loosely based, it’s like barely based on it at all, I read the book, the frog princess, and Disney’s the Princess and the frog. The literal only similarity between the two is that the princess in question kissing the frog prince, turned her into a frog like that’s the only similarity the setting is different. The characters are different why the characters are frogs are different. Basically that is literally the only concept that the same which was someone is pointing at the time, because like I actually enjoyed reading the original books, and like it wasn’t like the books at all a great movie on its own but like again the only thing that was the same as the book by Edie Baker was that the princess kissing the frog turn her into a frog too
Holy shit. So they were alway gonna make it weird with her race? We just wanted a black Disney princess going on adventures like the others. Not having to watch her struggle with race.
Thank you!!! Hell she had to get him a job at the end of the movie!!!
They had no choice but to struggle if they wanted to make a black character, who would be regularly merchandised and promoted. Because at the end of the day black Americans (especially black American parents) have so much internalized colorism and self-sabotaging mentalities, they can't agree on what they want to see in black representation. And many of the critics aren't ready to autonomously represent themselves, which is the most important thing. You can't hate what you see in the mirror and assume that you will like seeing yourself (the thing you hate) represented by other people. So Tiana's own character design was damned no matter what Disney did with it. Too pale, too light, butt too big, butt too small, etc. When this film was nearing its premiere, I saw scads of forums full of black people fussing about her design and I thought, "Yeah- why would anyone even try to represent black Americans?? There were plenty of black artists working on this film. Even they are being construed as though they had back-stabbed the community."
They should've set their "black princess movie" in a Caribbean area or an African country where the citizens care a lot less about political correctness, and avoided all interactions with the NAACP. The citizens of these areas, assuming they like interactions with outsiders (because some do not), would surely be happy to interact with the team and exhibit their cultures. (Disney has an extensive history of doing cultural research. They messed up with Frog because the NAACP and Oprah profit on stoking racism while claiming to fight it.)
This movie was never supposed to "bring back 2D animation". It wasn't even supposed to be profitable. It only existed because Disney needed a black token for the Disney Princess franchise. They didn't want to acknowledge Kida because Atlantis was systemically under-promoted by the executives to sell the idea that CGI was more profitable. But their CGI wasn't in-the-bag enough, as of 2006, to accomplish the demands of this particular film. If you don't believe me, please remember that 2004 was when Disney made the final culling call as to which existing characters would be permanently included in the Disney Princess franchise. Pocahontas, Mulan, Meg, and Esmeralda all performed poorly in sales (because they were severely under-promoted in merchandise). Meg was immediately cut, but Disney knew they couldn't lose the 3 non-white characters so they only cut Esmeralda from the trio. ROFL They wouldn't even promote Charlotte when the film came out, even if it would've helped with promotion, because they wanted ALL of the focus on Tiana.
Honestly tho 😭
Well the finished movie had absolutely nothing to do with race, it was never even mentioned.
So did you want a black princess going on adventures in… 18th century Germany? Or a Disney-fied version of some African folktale? Or a black American princess in… some fictional version of America that’s just the same except if racism was never a thing? Or a black American princess in modern American society? Genuinely, what DID you want?
Frog is also a slang term for the French, sometimes used as a slur. It’s a popular term in the military and in gaming communities for pirate or Napoleonic era themed games.
Dodged 1 but took the rest years later 😂
French person here: "grenouille" (French for frog) is NOT a slur. It like saying "oh, yeah, spoon is a slur in English". Brits calls us "froggies" and we call them "rosbif" (French pronunciation of roast beef). Can you please get your facts straight?
I'm English and had no idea the French called us rosbif loool that's funny
ROSBIF LOL. I'm stealing that!
O the roast beef of Old England, and Old English roast beef!
who would've guessed someone with a small mic doing a youtube short wouldn't have all their facts straight! lol totally besides your point but this is why i hate tiktok style "fact" videos because they are only right like 4% of the time
Exactly. I have an unhealthy amount of loathing for people whom I don't know simply because they release hundreds of videos a day filled with lies, half-truths, and the rare frivolous but at the very least true fact. It's distressing to say the least. Trying to correct the lies these people spit out is damn near impossible. Their comments are flooded with comments of adulation- you know: "I'm learning more from these shorts than I ever learned from _x_ years of schooling", "my new favourite channel", etc., etc.
It gets to the point where even signal boosting corrections is nearly impossible to do and even if you do they're on to the next lie like that **🫰** Damn annoying to anyone who cares about the facts.
they made a lot of really good choices with tiana that really meant a lot to the black community. we’re so used to trauma being our main things in these kind of “periodesque” cartoons. she was just a girl trying to make it and it resonated with so many. it’s a classic, for sure.
Yes, this is one do the reasons why I liked the movie. Race wasn’t the main focus, and while Tiana had struggles she didn’t let them get her down. I know some people complained that she was a frog for most of the movie, but it’s literally in the title that she was gonna be a frog. Overall, I thought this was a positive piece of media for us, and thought it turned out nicely. Whoever did casting did a phenomenal job too.
Black community doesn't care about this garbage
@@tiahnarodriguez3809The whole retelling was literally all about race. They only changed everything because racist liberals can't stand to have a story with a woman with a fantasy rags to riches tale that's similar to what a white person would have. So instead they made us some hallmark special that almost no black person at the time could relate to and that isn't timeless. And it's a forgotten part of history now.
Congrats, you played yourself.
It's why she and Mulan are my favorites. They actually went and got something through hard work, no matter what the people around them said.
Almost there is one of the songs I play on repeat, I have a lot of personal struggles, but if you keep climbing you'll eventually make it to he top
She is actually one of my favorite disney princesses and I loved to see a 2D movie again in the classic disney style as well. She just feels like one of the more realistic ones out there. Tiana is a gem😅
maddy aint no slave name💀💀💀💀💀💀
My slave is called maddy
@@JoeZUGOOLA haha 😐
The point is that many black slaves in america were given that name
“Clementine musk” was all I heard 💀☠️
Frog is a slur used by English to talk about the French, grenouille is never used as a slur in French
Is it very offensive? My only familiarity with it is from a small French Canadian town near me that calls their town festival "Frog Follies".
@@lisavandenhoven5672it might’ve been more offensive in the past in more modern times it’s not used as much and seems to be more of a playful rivalry than a genuine hatred for each other. The French also call the English roast beef
@@lisavandenhoven5672Its more comical than offensive in modern age
I think it’s good to be realistic about how a black woman would live in the American south in the 1920’s. Of course racism was everywhere and it was hard to make something of yourself, especially wanting to own a restaurant. But at the same time, it’s important to move away from stereotypes. They could’ve seriously screwed up by making Tiana another generic black “mammy” woman with poor grammar and lack of intelligence like most cartoons used to do. But they gave her goals, ambition, personality, and a really heartwarming journey, which I appreciated
Edit: All I’m saying is that black people in America struggled. And seeing a black woman who was beautiful and talented over come those struggles meant a lot to me to see. I had a reason to root for her in a way I didn’t with other princesses. Disney did a good job with the movie
I legit thought it be black Cinderella against racism or some sh/t
When has Disney ever been realistic? Why start here? Disney has always been about fantasy so even if you think the only thing a black girl could be in 1920 was a maid, which is not true, that makes for a very depressing reminder of hardships and racism, dont think anyone needs more of that!
@@haileys5371 Okay:
1.) Yes, Disney is about fantasy, but fantasy of plausibility. Magical fairies and true love’s kiss have been in fairytales forever. Not real, but it makes sense. But making a story BASED on a black woman in 1920’s in the AMERICAN SOUTH who didn’t struggle even a little bit is pushing it.
2.) I never said the only thing Tiana could be was a maid, she was a waitress. And that wasn’t just because of falling on hard times, it was because cooking for people and serving delicious food was HER DREAM. Gotta start somewhere
3.) I AM A BLACK GIRL. As far as racism goes against black people, The Princess and the Frog is the LEAST of our problems. It was a good story, had good music, for once, a black woman was more than just a stereotype, and I loved that.
*Stop creating problems out of nowhere, you’re being goofy*
@@crescentblueee youre projecting...and taking yourself too seriously. Also you being black is irrelevant here, it adds no credence to your point of view. You have a point of view i disagree with full stop. "Im black" geez, who asked?
@@haileys5371 So a person who belongs to the group that is being represented in a story has no relevance…?
In early versions she sorta looks like Esmeralda
A?? 1 SINGLE SOLITARY BULLET?! Or a barrage?!!! Becaaaauuuusssssse
They didn’t dodge a bullet they dodged a nuke 😭😭
Is it really dodging when you shoot the bullet at yourself?
@@TheOnlyCelciAndDontYouForgetIt they almost committed accidental suicide.
Nah, more like they dodged a bullet only to get hit by a nuke. 😂
Frog is not... a slur in french ? I'm confused, where did you get that information from ? 😂
Yes it is but it’s old-fashioned
I don’t think it’s necessarily in French, but for French. Like in Ontario it’s common to hear québécois called “froggies” in a derogatory way
it's an english slur for french people in canada.
since the movie's in new orleans and there's pretty sizeable french/acadien roots there (cajun) - it can easily be misconstrued.
@@SusieLostHerDogbro it literally isnt
It's an english slur for the french. The french in turn use rosbif to refer to the english. It would be weird to consider Tiana a frog when she's potentially creole and not at all cajun though.
I- how is that so offensive? You cant do anything nowadays...
Back when Disney can casually create diverse movies and was actually really good.
I'm more shocked that Oprah was her mother- how did I not recognize her voice?
She hid it well. I had no idea either. I knew Keith was Dr.Facilier though. His voice his distinct, but he did such a good job. I wish we had more backstory for him.
sometimes actors are good lol
I didn’t know that John Goodman played charlottes daughter, and he’s got a very distinctive voice.
Me neither lol
Personally, I don't think they were trying to be racist or insensitive. I'm black and from Louisiana and was a kid when the movie came out. They made some great changes though. Making her a successful chef, makes sense because we care a lot about food in Louisiana, it shows she was more than just a princess, she worked hard which is a great portrayal of a black woman. Also the addition to Oprah who is from Mississippi probably had great insights and could help by adding some personal touches.
Idk why can't she just live a soft life? Why does she have to be the only princess that works? And why is she not human for most of the damn movie? It's my favorite disney princess movie, but I still think it could be better.
@@nirvanaheightsI'm sorry but I just want to mention Cinderella. She had to work, despite being a daughter of a wealthy family, because of the abuse of her step-family.
Also, I understand the sentiments where they could have done better about showing them a frog most of the time in the movie. But I think, it's somewhat an important component in the story because we will not learn about Ray's story (which I honestly find very heartbreaking). I also think that because of this, it made the other disney princesses' story somewhat dull.
@@yubiflores9841 I was referring to after becoming a princess; then getting to live a ‘soft life’. Also, the story doesn’t take away from the lost impact of seeing a beautiful Black disney princess being represented on screen. Disney has a bit of a habit of dehumanizing their ‘Black’ characters (soul, lion king, princess and the frog) and it would have been more interesting to see a different kind of story. It’s tired.
@@nirvanaheights That's fair. Sadly, at this point, we shouldn't really expect something good from them. We know that they will not deliver.
@@nirvanaheightsdidnt tiana want to work? It was her dream to own a restaurant, and her dream came true?
I mean, as long as the movie wasn’t disparaging to her as a person, does it really matter if it was more historically accurate by giving her a common slave name and making her a maid for a white family? I mean like, it sucks that slavery and it’s fallout for the black community happened, but isn’t that why it’s so important to let people know about it, so it dosen’t happen again? But then again, this movie was intended for audiences under 10, so it’s may just be to mature of a conversation to be having with them anyway
Ppls so sensitive over title of the movie, do sensitive over original name, and sensitive over her original work. Ppl need to get over themselves.
I like how everyone gets all kinds of triggered over these kind of things, but then you get live action little mermaid, where you literally change the iconic character, and no one bats a lash.
Instead of just creating more ethnic movie franchises, ppl think its okay to destroy other characters. You ppl are trippin. Just add more cultures, and representation instead of hijacking iconic characters. Its so dumb.
Why was I today years old when I learned OPRAH was in this movie?!
She plays tianas mom
Because literally no one cares about Oprah
Same
That's the last wisest decision Disney made. The princess and the frog is an amazing movie.
Could have been more amazing with the original idea and maybe not such a forgotten movie that we got now.
They brought in racists to change everything and a few people are happy at least, congrats.
they've had a couple good ones since then cmon lol
Name one. @@highdefinition450
@@waltermh111 There's a lot I was going to say, but I'll just say this: I'd much rather be remembered for making a forgettable movie than be hated for making a horribly racist movie.
@greenapple9477 but you wouldn't be hated and it wouldn't be racist. But now the people involved are known as racists who changed a good movie idea to fit their own narrative instead. You are the racist, not the original writers. You are your own worst enemy when you play the professional victim.
How is this vid smaller in lenght than Smack's? Lmao
I like how Disney decided to dodge the bullet and instead decided to break stereotypes! Another thing to is Tiana so far was one of the first Disney princesses to really have a goal in life and go after her day dream instead of dreaming about a handsome prince coming to save her!
Frog is a word the english use to insult the french lol
That's how you know who complained💀
The lobsters calling the frogs. Huh
They didn't want it to seem like they were calling her a frog
Makes her into a frog
The frog aint even a french slur, its smth english ppl call french ppl
"we don't want to directly imply that we're calling her a frog, but we're gonna turn her into a frog"
The 'slumdog millionaire ' effect.
Yeah, I didn't want to say anything, but...lol
Disney logic: Let's not call her a frog, let's just make her one instead for 90% of the movie. Yeah, that's it!
Frog has never been used as a slur in french, at least not in the last 200 years (as a French guy)
I'm French and frog is not a slur.
English people insult French people calling them "frogs".
But in French we only use "grenouille" (french word for frog) to speak about the animal.
I am very glad that the movie ended up as it did. The cultural influences in the food, religious connotations, and animation style, are just incredible. Truly ahead of its time.
agreed. people are criticising this movie way too much in the comments. of course it wasn't perfect and hindsight allows us to see its shortcomings, but i thoroughly enjoyed it as a kid. tiana was by far the most memorable disney princess for me and i was so inspired by her character.
Wasn't Tiana a waitress tho?
Only in the beginning she because resturant owner and head chef in the end
Yup. And being a maid was still her night job, though they did not dwell on it
She was a waitress and had 2 jobs, and she was a server for her friend Lottie to save up money. It wasn't until the last like 10 minutes of film that she was finally a restauranteur.
I've never heard someone call someone else a frog.
As a French person "frog" is not a slur ☠️
I can't imagine Tiana not being a chef! I had absolutely no interest in cooking until I saw The Princess and the Frog as a little girl and did a complete 180. Thank goodness that's what they went with, or I'd be stuck getting takeout in college! 😂
I tried making beignets because of her
@@rumyum oml i loved beignets when I was younger, but my brother and mom are gluten intolerant now :(
😂😂😂 yes !
Awww that’s amazing!
Ironically, I've heard someone once argue that this film was racist for not featuring those exact elements that were omitted.
It isn't a good film. They put it during Jim Crow and then proceeded to do everything in their power to avoid acknowledging the reality of the setting... If they wanted to have a black protagonist and not talk about racism, fine... But then they needed to not do it in the setting that they did it in.
@@dinodare1605it wasn't in that setting...it was just set in Louisiana.
@@Daedalus1111
In the 1920s.
@@dinodare1605 I worry that something like that would just promote division between white and black kids... I think that sort of discussion can be good in adult movies, but I also think there's merit in presenting the world to kids as you wish is was, rather than exactly as it was... I'm not sure how much kids think about racism, and having kids movies with connotations of racism might sort of warp their perceptions of each other. It might be more beneficial to show them a world where all races act kindly towards each other, as a model for how to interact in real life. Thats just my thought anyway :/
@@laurenknicely9832
The natural response to kids seeing racism is "oh no, that's terrible" unless they're taught by their parents to condone it. Kids are mostly inclusive by default.
If you want to do that then you should set the movie in an idealized future, another planet, or the present. My Little Pony is a good example, because nobody has bigotries like being homophobic in it and the racism allegory took place in the past so they can show everyone in the present loving each other.
If it had been placed in the human world in a real place and at a real time, it would be inappropriate to idealize it. Especially when they allude to racism (the investors talking about Tiana's "background") but then don't handle it properly.
Correction; ‘frog’ is not a slur in French. Frog was used as a derogatory term against French people.
These same people would complain that we are erasing history. Can’t win
but you literally did, the movie came out after the changes and is loved by a lot. ive never heard of anyone complaining about the changes or how it erased history. most people probably didnt even know this until this short was made. what do you mean you cant win???
Yeah, making something to cater to modern emotional dissonance instead of something historically accurate for the time period really sounds like "dodging a bullet."
Problem number 1: hiring Oprah for any reason at all
This tbh
That’s not really dodging a bullet. That’s getting shot in the arm, realizing that being shot more would be bad, and leaving the shooting area for the hospital to rethink your choices.
Frog is a slur for french people but Grenouille is not a slur in french
Maddy = Mammy is a huge fucking stretch
Right? I didn't hear it
Most of the complaints for this movie are a stretch, but that’s just how it is.
RIGHT
Do you know how many white girls I've met named Maddie????
I've never once thought of it as some kind of potential slave name.....
Maddy is short for Madeline. Just like how Teddy is for Theodore, or maggy for magnolia
@@Yzzami i thought maggie was for margaret lol
That doesnt even sound like it was a bullet dodged. The whole point of the final movie is that Tianna opens her own resturaunt in New Orleans in spite of the bullshit put on her. I think the slavery parrallels may have been intentional, since this would have been set only 2 generations after slavery was abolished, and 40 years before Segregation was abolished.
Right? Wouldn't at all be common for a black girl to be working for a white family. I don't see the big deal.
This may shock you but AA are tired of their only history being slavery and one lane depictions of it at that. Some people just want something different even if it is still a struggle.
There was no need to make the movie about slavery or the Jim Crow era. I get that the movie is based on a book, but they should’ve chose a different book.
@@OGK-1414 I feel like it's kind of unavoidable if your telling a story this far back in American history with black characters. It's such a big part of our history as a nation, how tf does it NOT come up? And having slavery parallels does not make the movie about slavery. Get Out is a movie that uses slavery parallels to draw comparisons to the well meaning racism of the 21st century to the institutional bigotry of early america. These parallels enhance the story, but I wouldn't call Get Out a movie about Slavery.
@@nateds7326We all know some degree of American history and that slavery existed.
That being said: fantasy is fantasy, and thus not limited to the real life tragedies real life people endured or committed. You can set a black cast in a fictitious southern setting and erase the slavery element from the equation; you dont have to include it unless you want it to play a part in your story.
The worst part about it _always_ being a part of the story is it pigeonholes black characters into being defined by their relationship to slavery/prejudice/racism - it denies them the opportunity to just be people. Every film depicting white people doesnt have connections to native genocide, slavery, the civil war does it? Its because these events, though historically significant, are not character traits - they are story elements unnecessary to the story being told, so they dont get used. You can literally do the same thing with black, asian, hispanic, native characters - create a character who is, at their core, human. Not a callback to historical tragedies.
There's more to black experiences, black stories, than just slavery.
And yet they still couldn't keep her as a black woman for the entire film.
It's wild how quick Disney went from this to Black Panther. Hire black filmmakers!
As historically accurate as these choices would have been, and as cool as it would have been to see a character in her position rise above her circumstances and have this cool, romantic, magical adventure, I definitely get why the backlash happened and why the changes were made.
No but Tiana rose above her circumstances and had a cool, romantic, magical adventure anyway
That’s what the movie is and I love it
yea like with the setting they had in mind, her being a slave unfortunately makes a bit of sense :/
Maddy wasn’t a common slave name, it was just considered too close to Addy. Addy Walker is American Girl’s first black doll, and her backstory is that she was a slave. Some of the atrocities she faced were being forced to eat a worm as punishment for daydreaming and having to leave her baby sister behind on the plantation when she ran away bc the baby’s cries would alert slave hunters.
Jesus Christ, that’s a little dark for a kids toy, isn’t it? 😂
@@Rachel98246 It is, and I have mixed feelings about it, but I do have to respect that American Girl wasn’t going to whitewash or sugarcoat history. They knew that to cover the story of a black girl at any point of time in America they’d have to choose whether to pretend the racism existed or not. They decided to be honest while Disney went a softer route. Disney got a bit of criticism for that but I can see the merits of both choices.
@@Rachel98246 American girl goes pretty deep but still, I like it because it shows how girls you can relate to in history going through hardships and realize that we have it easier in modern times.
While I loved Addy as a kid, a distinction to make is that the American Girl series was always meant to be centered on various historical periods in the US. Disney did not have to limit themselves to that, they chose to.
Not saying you were making that comparison, but it occurred to me that the original creators might have been influenced by the American Girl series.
@@vulpixelful Of course, thanks for the info! 🤍
We should also point out that Aladdin is very racially blind.
Frog isn't a slur in French, it is a slur for the French.
Frog is an American slur to refer to the French yet is also seen a lot in British humor a good example being Flushed Away where all the frog assassins are French and do alot of French gags. ‘We surrender!!’
(For New Orleans which has a hefty amount of French influence/heritage that’s kind of an issue to be calling them locally frogs of the bayou kinda deal)
The title of the story was changed multiple times by higher ups then by the directors themselves. The directors having wanted a short title because not only is short titles war catching they’re easily changed for foreign audiences (The Princess and the Frog) is 5 words meaning every title card needs a new 5 words in a new language. The issue is that they didn’t want (The Princess and the Frog) because it’s an extremely long name for a film…. Which was proven as a major marketing point after its release) this was prior to scrolling titles in movie theatres so all anyone saw for a title was ‘The Princes--‘ which automatically made a lot of theatres loose out on money as people were like ‘oh a princess film about princesses and Cinderella stuff’ it lacked appeal of what the story or the movie was about just made the focus that it’s princess shit which is only gonna be applicable to little girls - and because tiana is black : black little girls… )
After princess and the frog not a single other film would start off with the word princess and almost every other film would be 1 word so it’s not cut off in theaters which lack a scroll feature for the titles…. brave tangled frozen all 1 word first word associations - is it PRINCESS NO it’s NOT it’s for anyone
Frog is English and made its way into the American vocab and it’s more used in the Uk then the USA
The original title came from the book it’s based on that has the same name. Book is by E.D. Baker
Okay but...the mom is literally working for a rich family...
Why in the world did they ever think that would be a good idea. 💀
"frog is a slur in french" me, a french person : ??? Confused
I like how they took to second opinions rather than being put on a different project. It shows their hearts were in the right place and the executives could see that. In the end, Tiana is a great character and Princess and the Frog as a whole is a fantastic film. Great characters, dynamics, and all ❤
Tiana is the prettiest Disney princess name imo. I'm glad they changed it to something so beautiful
They didn’t dodge a bullet, they dodged a NUKE!!
Tiana and Charlotte's friendship dynamic would be a bit...different
Realistically, they would have never been friends because of the time period and the whole Jim Crow's law. But since when is Disney historically accurate? They probably only made them friends to give Tiana a way to make enough money to save up for her restaurant, since Lottie hired her as a worker at her party.
I love the name Tiana, I think it was a great change
thank god they spoke up and changed it
They do realize the frog princess isnt a bayou story originally.......
I've lived in France my whole life and have never heard the word frog used as a slur evven once.
Newsflash: frog is not a slur in French
It's a slur used against the French, which is probably what he meant but just didn't word it right
Original script sounds better cause she seems like the underdog you’d want to root for like Cinderella and Snow White.
Social justice kills artistic vision!
Those blindspots gets the better of us artists. It's good to reflect, have the self awareness, and willing to learn from it
And yet they still turned the first black princess into a frog for 90% of the movie
No, they turned a black waitress into a frog.
@@jonathancharczenko7713Who then married a prince, became a princess, kissed the prince changing them back to human. What's your point??
Was just about to say this! I feel like we were robbed😭😭
You know, shouldn’t be that upset. You could say the same for Adam, he was turned into a beast for 90% of the movie. Aurora hardly spoke for 90% her own movie. I mean honestly. Ariel was silenced for own movie the majority of the time too. Something’s just are and we move on.
@@heather6087 it sucks more because she's the only black princess. There are plenty of other white princesses and princes to make up for those examples
“Maddie” is a “common slave name?” Man, can’t wait to break the bad news my sister, lol.
💀💀 what does this even mean like yk that lots of slaves were renamed by their masters right??
At least they were willing to change anything. I'm glad they did.
As a french I can confirm that no one insults anyone by calling them a grenouille
This actually makes a lot of sense to find out.
Because as good a movie as it is, it's also got some notable issues thematically and with Tiana's arc.
So hearing there was major story overhaul deep enough into development for announcement makes a lot of sense.
The movie is good, but people are WAY too uptight.
Fr. It’s actually quite sickening how people crow on this movie even though Tiana continues to be a princess for little girls every where.
@@tiahnarodriguez3809 bad representation is usually still latched onto when there aren’t any good alternatives, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t demand more and better rep
The English used the term Frog as a derogatory term for the French.
"Fun" fact: Longtime Disney composer Alan Menken did not work on this film, but did return for the following year's Tangled as well as *Sausage Party* in 2016. Yeah.
People are always going to complain about everything no matter what you do.
the racist undertones here are very obvious why can’t y’all listen to black people when they say they feel something is racist
Nahh this is straight up just a lesson in needing diversity readers so you don’t make something bakes with racist stereotypes
@@batlover2003
Diversity readers are also the same people that make shitshows like velma.
Can't really find a middle ground here
Call me crazy, but sometimes complaint are a good thing.
...I'm still pissed they changed her name. I was so excited to have a Disney Princess with the same name as me!
I like your name, I don't know what Disney's problem is!
They literally said just throw some opra on it 😂
And this is why consultation firms exist.