I work on stationary Diesel generators, and i ones had a customer complaining about alot of condensate comming out the crank vent. I pulled the dipstick and was greeted by a fountain of mayonnaise! Turned out there was slightly more water in the oil then oil. Problem was the neighboring construction site wrecked the Exhaust pipe in the ground and rainwater filled the engine while it was shutt off. Engine was completely done! Bores where on the verge of seizing up, everything covert in thick rust, Turbo was frozen in place, Rocker arms barely moved by hand..... But it still ideled fine. 😁 Fortunately is was just little 7liter Iveco engine, not some 2MW maschine...
If you want to get rid of that beeping in your post processing, the audio filter you would look for is a 'notch filter'. Apply the notch filter and then set the frequency of the notch filter to the frequency of the beep. In this case, your beeping is at 4kHz.
@@AdeptApe yeah Adobe Audition will have it. You will also see the signal on the frequency spectrum graph as peak that repeats itself, so you can tune your notch filter to that frequency (Q in this case is the width of the filter, just like in parametric EQ).
I was an International tech for 16 years and a few things on the DT466E: 1. We also call it a HEUI pump 2. To spare yourself from the beeping, pull the buzzer out of the fuse panel, looks similar to a relay but you don't even have to open the panel door if it still has one, don't forget to put it back in 3. Those oil pans can be a pain to get off, usually require some strategic blows from a dead blow hammer, they are even worse to clean off the pan, an air chisel is your friend 4. While those heads do like to crack between the valves, they usually don't leak coolant from a crack on the head itself, usually it's the injector cup if coming from the head, but most likely it's a head gasket Interested in what you found, either way it looks like it's time for an overhaul
The DT466 is a robust engine and it does occasionally have headgasket or liner seal issues, but i must say i prefer it over CAT 7.2 cause the cat doesn't have liners and is a bigger pain to rebuild since you have to pull it and send to machine shop! We had a DT466 with 12k hrs and a bad liner seal that we bought at auction site unseen. Found out the hard way it was a leaker, but rolled the dice and drove it 3 hrs home with leaking liner. Stopped every 30 minutes to check oil/water. Added a gallon about every 30 minutes, but it made it home, got an inframe, and has been great ever since.
Sludgy slime in the breather tube is a sure sign of coolant intrusion into the crankcase, excellent videos as always. When I check my oil on my 5EK I stick my finger in the breather tube and make sure no slime present. Your a very thorough mechanic sir.
Great video. I work in an International shop and I too HATE that damn buzzer when the key is on. Got a little Easter egg for you. If you press and hold both the mileage reset button and the down arrow panel button for 5 secs together, it will kill the buzzer. You can thank me later.
Between 2012 and 2020 my c15 was driven about 700,000 miles. Always use cat filters and never had any problems. Inspected the inside of the oil pan for debris when I replaced the oil pan gasket. The oil pan was very clean. Another fellow is running that truck now and it's still going strong. BXS Series
As inconvenient as it is that tow drivers almost never reinstall driveshafts, I actually prefer it that way, and I prefer it to be noted on the RO that it was towed in and the driveshaft is disconnected. Probably no tow driver on the planet has a properly calibrated torque wrench for reinstalling driveshaft bolts. Those are a safety critical component, if they fail the chances of a wreck are high. Every time I have a unit arrive towed in with a driveshaft disconnected, I get a new strap kit, with new bolts and fresh threadlocking compound, reinstall the driveshaft and torque to spec. Is it a little inconvenient? Yes. Does the new strap kit increase the cost of the repair? Yes, a little. As far as I’m concerned, all of that is better than the unit going down the road and killing someone because the driveshaft came loose on the highway. I prefer the service writer note on the RO that it was towed in, but even if they don’t, that’s part of my walk-around. Even if the tow driver reinstated the shaft, I’m going to notice the marks on the strap bolts, and replace with a fresh strap kit: it’s cheap insurance.
@@jasonswift7098 depends on the torque rating/ tonnage capacity of the truck and depends on the manufacturer specs. That's why most tow drivers say they can't reinstall drive shafts cause most don't know the proper torque specs for any particular drive shaft, making them liable when it comes back loose and kills somebody.
I have never seen any shop torque those bolts. I have never torqued those bolts, and have never had a problem, my friends have never had problems, and I don't think I have ever talked to another owner operator that had problems with those bolts coming loose. If the straps and fasteners are good when you take them off, they will be just fine when you reinstall everything.
As a long time "Cat" mechanic, I generally agree with and laugh at your comments.. Thank you for your presentations. Regarding Internationals, I agree with what you say, but bear in mind Cat and International have a long and tempestuous relationship. To the best of my knowledge, Cat owns International after a lawsuit. Anyway, I have a funny story about Internationals: I was working for a large mixed fleet company with a few Internationals, and one died on the road.. Being unfamiliar with Internationals and totally overwhelmed with other work had it towed to our neighbor the International dealer, whom we were friends with. After a couple of days and pressured by the Brain Dead Branch Manager I called them up asked how our truck was coming. The answer was "It's being towed back, It died during the test drive [after repairs]. I just broke out laughing, the BDBM was pissed, at me. As to the Fleetguard filter, Fleetguard is a Cummins company. As "Cat brainwashed yellow" people we don't like to admit it, but other manufacturers such as Cummins do know a bit about engines and filtration. What you see in the Fleetguard filter is a two stage filter. The full flow paper section and the finer "depth" section. The full flow part takes all the flow and knocks out the big pieces above 20 microns, give or take, it is more complicated than I can explain in a few lines. The "depth section" is finer, has a percentage of the full flow diverted usually through an orifice and eventually all the oil gets super filtered. A Luberrfiner. A lot of trucks/ machines used to have a separate Luberfiner but they fell out of style. In manufacturing Cat has traditionally relied on close tolerances in manufacturing, but large clearances between moving parts. Tolerances and clearances are not the same thing. Because of the large clearances, Cat engines tolerated larger and more grit. Hence the filtration systems did not need to be so fine. I disagree with this as the very fine material in oil is a lapping compound. Causes wear to happen Cummins however chose closer clearances, which required finer filtration, hence the Luberfiner and now the all in one two stage filter. I would say you can never have enough filtration: Except at a time in the past some of the anti-wear additives in oils were being filtered out by the Luberfiner. I think that day has passed as I think those additives have been removed. Correct me if I am wrong, I admire your cutting the oil filter open. Best diagnostic tool ever. Oil samples are 75% a scam. Far better off to just cut filters open from time to time and have a look see. Admire your contributions, Thank you.
@@thataudiguy3006 Thank you for that update. I was working with what I knew, which was old. I would be really interested in knowing more about how that came about and the inter-relationships between the companies.
@@normcameron2316 no problem. From the article I read awhile back it started back when they was still using the maxxforce pos 😂. They were bleeding money in warranty claims and almost went bankrupt that’s when VW stepped in and bought a 16% share they switched to Cummins ISB 6.7 I think that was in 2016 or 2017 if I’m not mistaken. They made a deal I believe back in 2020 or 2021 to basically acquire the rest of the company. I’m a diesel technician as well so I like to try and keep up with things somewhat LOL.
Hey Josh, love your channel. As a retired truck owner...never a tow truck, I learned decades ago that it is towing industry policy not to re-install the driveline to avoid liability.
Outstanding! Yes sometimes the cost of an overhaul exceeds the value of the vehicle. But an overhaul might be expensed in one year so if the company is having a good year, the tax break of an overhaul tips the scale over a decision for replacement which must be deprecated over a longer term.
I cut a section out of the oil filter element. Keep it folded up and run some mineral spirits over it to soak the paper and oil. I take the element section and put it in a vice and squeeze the oil out. I now have a fairly dry paper element and I can see any particles clearly. Heavy carbon shows up better and metal fragments.
As a former tow truck driver, I found your comment about the drive shaft amusing. For me. I always ask the repair facility sometimes they want the drive chef put in. Sometimes they don't
Hey Josh just wanted to say that been watching you for a bit now and I'm really inspired with the care you put into your repairs I just became a entry level diesel tech and want to eventually become a experienced CAT diesel tech like yourself because there ain't nothing better than CAT equipment 💪💪 Thanks again for these very entertaining videos 🤙
Careful just rocking the shift lever to check for neutral. Some of the towers are so worn out they will feel like they’re in neutral when they’re not. Also, some of them (especially with long sticks) will fall into gear when you rock them just right. I shift the range select to check (if there is air) or I pop them into a gear and back out/use the clutch.
Love the jack. Have owned for years and is invaluable for heavy lifts. I use on my 21k trailer. Jack up one side ata time to service all 3 axles at once. It is awesome and totally worth every penny.
DT-466 piston sleeve o rings fail and usually in turn will destroy a piston or two. Best bet is to do an in frame rebuild. Also one time on a DT 466 I had a water pump go bad and the impeller chewed a hole in the timing gear cover thus coolant in the engine oil. Thanks for the video.
The DT466 I think uses the same kind of system in the 7.3, 6.0, 6.4 liter engines in Ford F250 up pickups. When the injection system is working, it's great, but this setup has many flaws and one little thing can keep them from even starting or running. Like the DT466, oil is what makes the injectors "fire", the system is complex, and relies on o- rings to keep the oil in the right places and working, so if there is a problem related to o-rings it won't start or be very hard to start. So when working on the injection system a lot of things need checked, some under the intake, good injector oil pressure though is key. The 7.3 IMO is/was the best and most reliable of the bunch, and easier to work on. The 6.0 was a good engine when they were right, but had weak head bolts the heads were prone to cracking, and fuel would get in the cooling system and render the puke bottle, hoses and anything rubber junk. A very difficult situation to fix, we had some DT466s in our fleet and didn't have problems with them. I am retired now but have seen many engine problems, and destruction, caused by carelessness and stupidity and just defects in engines. watch your channel quite a bit, budding mechanics should watch some of them, good knowledge makes a good mechanic
I've been watching ur channel forever i got 1.252000 miles out of 425C only cat filters Rotella 15 40 inframe and pump done by Doug Burdick in 2007 still runs like new 6.7
There is a little button with a wire poking out of it on the streetside of the master cylinder. If you just pull it off the brake booster motor will stop. Don't forget to reconnect it. The beeper unplugs too.
17:18 Recently started working for a diesel engine parts supplier and learning the basics. Really enjoy watching your videos. Keep up the great work, very informational.
7:53 It's actually quite basic. Cummins engines once ran full flow AND various kinds of bypass filters. Here, the two are combined in the one can. Go well.
Been a long time since I towed a little but I was told we do not carry new straps and bolts for every vehicle and they should be replaced, also since we towed it, there is probably a reason we could not start it and test drive it. Used a sandwich bag for the parts and it was up to the shop to use new or old parts. Some dealerships said they always used new straps and bolts but if we had a tow on the same vehicle after a "fix" they often had the old parts on. I do not know how many times they can be retorqued without replacing the bolts.
i am trying to figure out the terminology here ...i have had the driveshaft off, ...and i cant figure out this term ...Straps?....all i seaw was bolts with nuts ...about 10 or 12maybe ,what is the term ..Straps ...referring to?
@@michaelo2522 I believe it’s a circular shaped strap that goes over the u-joint, two bolts then hold it down and sandich the ujoint to the….and I forgot what it’s called…
I like your opinion on tow truck drivers, 😜, I experienced myself more than once when u joint bands were missing or thrown away after driveshaft was disconnected.
We are new viewers. Hubby is a diesel mechanic. Within the first few seconds of viewing my husband said it was a broken crank shaft. He said we have had too many of those in our shop. I'm curious to see what it is now.
I’ve compared prices between Cat and Napa filters and actually the Napa filters were more expensive than the Cat filters. Also I’ve noticed the casing on the Napa oil filters is much thinner than the Cat. I removed a Napa oil filter from the truck and the casing got all bent up
It is very rare the tow driver puts the shaft back. More than a few times I find it would not be possible for them cuz they lost one or more of the bearing cups.
Tow truck drivers in Australia dont put tail shafts back in. I once had a service manager tell me, that it was normal for a 6 month old heavy truck engine to be blowing grey sludge out the breather tube. Turned out to be a known problem of welsh plugs in the head weeping coolant into an oil gallery.
When working on international you can stop the beeping by holding the panel up button and the trip reset peg button down at the same time till it stops being
Pretty awesome destruction video Josh. Both are needing rebuilds. Great to see David get one destruction too. Great for the channel. Thank you for the shout out Josh always loving to help channel out. Happy Sunday 👍💪👊💪🛠🔧🔨💥💥
I have other truck drivers always ask me why I buy the “expensive” cat filters and I’ll show them videos like this. To prove to them that CAT filters are far superior to the rest!
There are definitely degrees of quality, some aftermarket filters are better than others. Napa has different levels themselves, but the base level are really trash.
😂 my dad has 2.5 million miles on his c-15 and the motor has never been overhauled and he has never used Cat filters... it’s really based on your maintenance regiment... my 14L Detroit has 1.6 million on it and I have only had to change two injectors and the turbo twice... no overhaul and no blowby...🤷🏼♂️
I do heavy towing for a living. We do not put the driveshaft back in because the straps on the u joints are meant to be used one time. The liability of putting on the driveshaft back on without new parts is why we never put them back on. Also have to give the mechanics something to do;)
When the ISX cm2250 engine came along and the high pressure fuel pump shit the bed and flooded the engine with metal I found the Fleetguard filters failed to contain the metal overload and the cranks would be damaged, the engines with the Baldwin filters held all the metal and no crank damage was found, just my observation after doing over a hundred of them while at the dealership.
Love the videos... No, you just can't explain to some people why CAT filters are worth the money. I've gotta go back and remind myself which C7 you thought was the least amount of trouble. Thanks for all the efforts to make these videos..
@@skylinefever , F@rd is many times the problem, had a lat 80's tempo(in the early 90's so it was newer then) worked on for a friend, tried at least 3 brand filters, only a motorcraft would not blow apart after approx 25 seconds of run time. They obviously only rely on an internal filter bypass which is just typical F@rd. Always run a motorcraft on any F@rd after that.
Rear main bearing spun, wrapped itself welded to the crankshaft. Why it was mentioned that there was a no start. I like the shiny cup with gold letters.
As a tow driver, my job is to get it to location. Once that’s done, I’m done. If I tow a vehicle cause the wheel fell off, I’m not putting the wheel back on after the tow, so I’m not putting a DS back on.
I do believe you can disable the beeper on the international by holding the dash light dimmer switch up and pressing the odometer reset for about six seconds.
The store I worked at in high school had a lot of older "textile mill" ladies as customers. Many of them used a Cambells soup to dispose of their Tuberose brand snuff residue. They often left half-full cans in the kiddie seat of the grocery carts for us to dispose of. Yuck!
Still, better to have Textile Mill Americans leaving cans of dip spit everywhere, than Basketball Americans robbing you, the store and the Textile Mill American!
With some companies, even the OEM filters vary. Back in the day, OEM Nissan filters were built like tanks. Because of the part number and rarity of the Nissan 300ZXTT, you can still get one of those OEM filters. However, for the past 20+ years, many Nissan OEM filters are the same junk you would find at a discount oil change shop. Nissan just writes their name on them. If you own a Nissan, you can get Motorcraft filters intended for a Mercury Villager. They are just like the other Motorcraft filters, they just happen to fit certain Nissan engines. 11:10 It might be called "HPOP" short for "High pressure oil pump." That's what Ford calls it in the 7.3 and 6.0 PSD. 15:36 Usually NAPA writes their name on the cheapest Wix filter.
Napa Gold is a Wix, I'm not sure about the plain Napa filter, I don't touch those things. I know the Gold filters have the same part number as Wix, but maybe with the first number left off.
Love cat filters, I use them on all my cat machines, but that filter you took apart is legit. I may have missed it if you said it, but that’s the fleetguard stratapore Venturi filter. It’s a regular full flow stratapore filter, which is approx 15-20 micron like most. plus that stacked disc portion which is a 5 micron bypass filter. So instead of having a separate bypass filter like the amsoil setup, it’s all in 1. Very cool and effective design. But they are expensive. The regular stratapore filter for my ISB is $15. This Venturi filter is over $50. But according to fleetguard it can extend oil drain intervals by 4-5 times. So if you did that it may come out cheaper.
I had a 2001 Peterbilt with c15 CAT engine and they were notorious for blowing the connecting rod in the 5th cylinder not all of them just certain series
As a towing operator. We mostly charge by the hour. In order to reinstall it, it generally costs more. Carriers and customers don't want us to many times. Usually higher pricing us vs mechanics time. Insurances don't want to cover drive shaft reinstallation issues, as we aren't mechanics and have no training nor access to torque specs and don't have a torque wrench.
I repaired the same issue on the same engine a few months ago on a school bus it turned out to be the the front cover gaskets we replaced the front and rear covers and gaskets problem solved
Speaking of filters a couple of years ago a neighbour farmer had a box of various filters and belts etc that someone else had given him as they had no use for the parts. He was going through the box and there was a new wrapped in plastic cat brand final fuel filter that would fit a 3406E or C15 and was about to throw it and I said no no, don't throw that filter as it will fit either of your two trucks that have C15's. He said oh ... but I use XXX brand filter and didn't know how he was going to deal with that as it would be "confusing", I would not be surprised if he threw it away after I left.
A old time Cat mechanic told us that Wix use to make Cat filters. Cat got a shipment and spot checked them. They failed Cat's guidelines and Cat rejected the shipment. Wix took the filters and painted over the Cat label and put the Wix label on them and sold them.
I watch a few of the tow truck RUclipsrs, and one of them (I forget which) once explained their reason for not refitting the driveshaft. I don't know if it's a good reason, but he said it was for liability. He's not a mechanic and doesn't have the correct installation procedure and torque specs for the bolts; doesn't want to be responsible if it comes off going down the road because he did something wrong. He preferred to leave it to someone qualified to reinstall it.
I know an old skool mechanic who said one time he was chosen to work on a cab over. Anyway, the driver brought it to him, they put the cab over, it smelled like piss. Turns out the driver had a “convenience tube” it ran onto the hot engine. My mechanic friend told him to wash it before he would work on it. Driver threw a fit. Come on drivers, take pride in your equipment!
The problem is the bypass filter takes up space inside the can. If there’s any wear on the engine the smaller high flow filter will clog up faster with less warning.
@@AdeptApe My old Detroit 12.7 had 2 big oil filters and I never understood why. Now as a mechanic I get it. There’s far less resistance on the oil pump and if something goes wrong with the engine there’s tons of warning time to stop and check the filters for metal. Those old timer truckers knew a lot more than we gave them credit for.
@@markm0000 Do I need to go pull out my books? I seem to recall it's load capacity was equal to CAT's equivalent filter. A damaged engine doesn't plug the first pass filter. As evidence to this. How many filters have you seen where debris managed to plug it to the point it bypasses?
Interesting. I hope that we get to follow along with both repairs ... the DT466 will run almost forever if you take care of them ... it seems as though they aren't giving it the white glove treatment. The C15 should be a interesting repair, I know you've shown inframes before but ... always pickup something interesting when you do them. Thanks for taking us along! I Should've gone into turning wrenches instead of driving AND turning wrenches haha
The HEUI 466s were more problematic than the mechanical 466s.. if I were to buy one myself, definitely mechanical.. one is for reliability, but also, way easier to modify for more power.. the electronic ones, not so much.. think a 7.3 powerstroke with next to no aftermarket support..
Love your channel Josh!! Thanks for sharing your days. Or should I say horrors? I’m surprised you work on stuff that’s not CAT. I’ve seen CAT dealers that wouldn’t even entertain anything but CAT to be worked on at the dealer.
Hey Josh watching your tutorials for awhile and can see what you experience in our shop. You guys probably don’t have issues with never having a slow week. How many mechanics at your shop and where do you rank in seniority. Keep up the excellent work.
Had a tow operator tell me the the non reinstall of drive lines was a directive from their insurance carriers. Stating that by reinstalling the drive line would expose liability classifying their tow drivers as mechanics.
I have a quick question what’s going to happen when everything goes electrical I really feel bad for you guys that are working hard to keep us truck drivers going
We don’t put the drive shaft or axles back because you’re gonna have to move it again anyways. Axles mainly because it’s labor intensive to remove and reinstall them.
Have fun with that Grey death rtv.. awesome for sealing, but a PITA to clean up.. they came from the factory that way, because apparently intertrashinal couldn't figure out how to make a pan gasket.. also, the Grey death is super sensitive to oil contamination.. sucks trying to use it and have it actually stick..
@@AdeptApe Haahaa I hear ya man! I've been fighting a powerstroke and loosing on an oil leak because of that stupid stuff.. I have a love hate relationship with international lol
As a tech at an international dealer you can stop that beeping …. Press down on the odometer pin and the up or down button to the left of gauge cluster for like 5 or so seconds and it will stop
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I almost bought one but was to unsure because people complaint that as soon as your not on perfectly level ground the ram inside binds up and gives you trouble when lowering… but anyway I think I’ll try it out
Tow truck drivers don't install drive shafts due to liability reasons. and they usually don't have mechanics certifications to work on public vehicles.
Good vid. Lucky you are employed by someone who lets you do vids. You are not in Cali. for sure. We cant run the old stuff anymore. Cat and IHC colluded together to manufacture the Heui system. In Cali.
I love my S Series Internationals and DT466s, of course my DTs are all 1990 and older. Have had them in service from 32 to 40 years. Have some other junk too with 3406B, 6V53, 6-71, 8V92, 855 in them. Nothing electrified in my fleet. None of these old mechanicals have ever given me any major problems, but some of the trucks around them choose to rust out!. Traitors!
I work on stationary Diesel generators, and i ones had a customer complaining about alot of condensate comming out the crank vent.
I pulled the dipstick and was greeted by a fountain of mayonnaise!
Turned out there was slightly more water in the oil then oil.
Problem was the neighboring construction site wrecked the Exhaust pipe in the ground and rainwater filled the engine while it was shutt off.
Engine was completely done!
Bores where on the verge of seizing up, everything covert in thick rust, Turbo was frozen in place, Rocker arms barely moved by hand.....
But it still ideled fine. 😁
Fortunately is was just little 7liter Iveco engine, not some 2MW maschine...
I'm just jealous of the amount of rust that are not on these trucks, I live and work in Eastern Canada for reference
If you want to get rid of that beeping in your post processing, the audio filter you would look for is a 'notch filter'. Apply the notch filter and then set the frequency of the notch filter to the frequency of the beep. In this case, your beeping is at 4kHz.
You sir, are a genius. Is that filter generally included with editing software like Adobe or is it an add-on?
@@AdeptApe I use Davinci Resolve but I just found this. ruclips.net/video/hOOBEiXe3wg/видео.html
@@AdeptApe yeah Adobe Audition will have it. You will also see the signal on the frequency spectrum graph as peak that repeats itself, so you can tune your notch filter to that frequency (Q in this case is the width of the filter, just like in parametric EQ).
Always use CAT filters
@@AdeptApe they also have it in audacity
I was an International tech for 16 years and a few things on the DT466E:
1. We also call it a HEUI pump
2. To spare yourself from the beeping, pull the buzzer out of the fuse panel, looks similar to a relay but you don't even have to open the panel door if it still has one, don't forget to put it back in
3. Those oil pans can be a pain to get off, usually require some strategic blows from a dead blow hammer, they are even worse to clean off the pan, an air chisel is your friend
4. While those heads do like to crack between the valves, they usually don't leak coolant from a crack on the head itself, usually it's the injector cup if coming from the head, but most likely it's a head gasket
Interested in what you found, either way it looks like it's time for an overhaul
The DT466 is a robust engine and it does occasionally have headgasket or liner seal issues, but i must say i prefer it over CAT 7.2 cause the cat doesn't have liners and is a bigger pain to rebuild since you have to pull it and send to machine shop! We had a DT466 with 12k hrs and a bad liner seal that we bought at auction site unseen. Found out the hard way it was a leaker, but rolled the dice and drove it 3 hrs home with leaking liner. Stopped every 30 minutes to check oil/water. Added a gallon about every 30 minutes, but it made it home, got an inframe, and has been great ever since.
Sludgy slime in the breather tube is a sure sign of coolant intrusion into the crankcase, excellent videos as always. When I check my oil on my 5EK I stick my finger in the breather tube and make sure no slime present. Your a very thorough mechanic sir.
Great video. I work in an International shop and I too HATE that damn buzzer when the key is on. Got a little Easter egg for you. If you press and hold both the mileage reset button and the down arrow panel button for 5 secs together, it will kill the buzzer. You can thank me later.
Between 2012 and 2020 my c15 was driven about 700,000 miles. Always use cat filters and never had any problems. Inspected the inside of the oil pan for debris when I replaced the oil pan gasket. The oil pan was very clean. Another fellow is running that truck now and it's still going strong. BXS Series
I’m looking at truck now that has a Bxs
Any heads up I need to know?
As inconvenient as it is that tow drivers almost never reinstall driveshafts, I actually prefer it that way, and I prefer it to be noted on the RO that it was towed in and the driveshaft is disconnected. Probably no tow driver on the planet has a properly calibrated torque wrench for reinstalling driveshaft bolts. Those are a safety critical component, if they fail the chances of a wreck are high. Every time I have a unit arrive towed in with a driveshaft disconnected, I get a new strap kit, with new bolts and fresh threadlocking compound, reinstall the driveshaft and torque to spec. Is it a little inconvenient? Yes. Does the new strap kit increase the cost of the repair? Yes, a little. As far as I’m concerned, all of that is better than the unit going down the road and killing someone because the driveshaft came loose on the highway. I prefer the service writer note on the RO that it was towed in, but even if they don’t, that’s part of my walk-around. Even if the tow driver reinstated the shaft, I’m going to notice the marks on the strap bolts, and replace with a fresh strap kit: it’s cheap insurance.
What is the correct torque spec for the driveshaft bolts?
@@jasonswift7098 depends on the torque rating/ tonnage capacity of the truck and depends on the manufacturer specs.
That's why most tow drivers say they can't reinstall drive shafts cause most don't know the proper torque specs for any particular drive shaft, making them liable when it comes back loose and kills somebody.
I have never seen any shop torque those bolts. I have never torqued those bolts, and have never had a problem, my friends have never had problems, and I don't think I have ever talked to another owner operator that had problems with those bolts coming loose. If the straps and fasteners are good when you take them off, they will be just fine when you reinstall everything.
Exactly!
an air or cordless impact gun is their torque wrench🙃
As a long time "Cat" mechanic, I generally agree with and laugh at your comments.. Thank you for your presentations.
Regarding Internationals, I agree with what you say, but bear in mind Cat and International have a long and tempestuous relationship. To the best of my knowledge, Cat owns International after a lawsuit.
Anyway, I have a funny story about Internationals:
I was working for a large mixed fleet company with a few Internationals, and one died on the road.. Being unfamiliar with Internationals and totally overwhelmed with other work had it towed to our neighbor the International dealer, whom we were friends with. After a couple of days and pressured by the Brain Dead Branch Manager I called them up asked how our truck was coming.
The answer was "It's being towed back, It died during the test drive [after repairs]. I just broke out laughing, the BDBM was pissed, at me.
As to the Fleetguard filter, Fleetguard is a Cummins company. As "Cat brainwashed yellow" people we don't like to admit it, but other manufacturers such as Cummins do know a bit about engines and filtration.
What you see in the Fleetguard filter is a two stage filter. The full flow paper section and the finer "depth" section. The full flow part takes all the flow and knocks out the big pieces above 20 microns, give or take, it is more complicated than I can explain in a few lines. The "depth section" is finer, has a percentage of the full flow diverted usually through an orifice and eventually all the oil gets super filtered. A Luberrfiner.
A lot of trucks/ machines used to have a separate Luberfiner but they fell out of style.
In manufacturing Cat has traditionally relied on close tolerances in manufacturing, but large clearances between moving parts. Tolerances and clearances are not the same thing.
Because of the large clearances, Cat engines tolerated larger and more grit. Hence the filtration systems did not need to be so fine.
I disagree with this as the very fine material in oil is a lapping compound. Causes wear to happen
Cummins however chose closer clearances, which required finer filtration, hence the Luberfiner and now the all in one two stage filter.
I would say you can never have enough filtration: Except at a time in the past some of the anti-wear additives in oils were being filtered out by the Luberfiner.
I think that day has passed as I think those additives have been removed.
Correct me if I am wrong,
I admire your cutting the oil filter open. Best diagnostic tool ever.
Oil samples are 75% a scam. Far better off to just cut filters open from time to time and have a look see.
Admire your contributions, Thank you.
Totally agree, that is a good filter. I use a similar dual flow double filter in my 5.9 cummins Ram, BD7317.
International is owned by Volkswagen not Cat. Just throwing that out there.
@@thataudiguy3006 Thank you for that update. I was working with what I knew, which was old. I would be really interested in knowing more about how that came about and the inter-relationships between the companies.
@@normcameron2316 no problem. From the article I read awhile back it started back when they was still using the maxxforce pos 😂. They were bleeding money in warranty claims and almost went bankrupt that’s when VW stepped in and bought a 16% share they switched to Cummins ISB 6.7 I think that was in 2016 or 2017 if I’m not mistaken. They made a deal I believe back in 2020 or 2021 to basically acquire the rest of the company. I’m a diesel technician as well so I like to try and keep up with things somewhat LOL.
Hey Josh, love your channel. As a retired truck owner...never a tow truck, I learned decades ago that it is towing industry policy not to re-install the driveline to avoid liability.
I have seen quite a few of that generation of DT466 develop coolant leaks between the block and the liners. The o-rings that seal this area fail.
Yep it over heated and failed the liner packing after gaulding a piston, very common, keep em cool and they will run a long time.
I wonder why they don't use copper orings
Really liking this "IN THE SHOP" format.
I hope your superiors stay cool about it.
Looking forward to more of these starring "Wounded Jewels".
My superiors watch the videos and my company likes me making them.
@@AdeptApe Glad everyone it's on the same page.
Outstanding! Yes sometimes the cost of an overhaul exceeds the value of the vehicle. But an overhaul might be expensed in one year so if the company is having a good year, the tax break of an overhaul tips the scale over a decision for replacement which must be deprecated over a longer term.
That.
And they don’t make good engines anymore
I cut a section out of the oil filter element. Keep it folded up and run some mineral spirits over it to soak the paper and oil. I take the element section and put it in a vice and squeeze the oil out. I now have a fairly dry paper element and I can see any particles clearly. Heavy carbon shows up better and metal fragments.
As a former tow truck driver, I found your comment about the drive shaft amusing. For me. I always ask the repair facility sometimes they want the drive chef put in. Sometimes they don't
Hey Josh just wanted to say that been watching you for a bit now and I'm really inspired with the care you put into your repairs I just became a entry level diesel tech and want to eventually become a experienced CAT diesel tech like yourself because there ain't nothing better than CAT equipment 💪💪 Thanks again for these very entertaining videos 🤙
Community college or starting a helper/apprentice?
Careful just rocking the shift lever to check for neutral. Some of the towers are so worn out they will feel like they’re in neutral when they’re not. Also, some of them (especially with long sticks) will fall into gear when you rock them just right. I shift the range select to check (if there is air) or I pop them into a gear and back out/use the clutch.
On big troubleshooting jobs I've taken the time to open the dash and unplug the speaker
Love the jack. Have owned for years and is invaluable for heavy lifts. I use on my 21k trailer. Jack up one side ata time to service all 3 axles at once. It is awesome and totally worth every penny.
DT-466 piston sleeve o rings fail and usually in turn will destroy a piston or two. Best bet is to do an in frame rebuild. Also one time on a DT 466 I had a water pump go bad and the impeller chewed a hole in the timing gear cover thus coolant in the engine oil. Thanks for the video.
The DT466 I think uses the same kind of system in the 7.3, 6.0, 6.4 liter engines in Ford F250 up pickups. When the injection system is working, it's great, but this setup has many flaws and one little thing can keep them from even starting or running. Like the DT466, oil is what makes the injectors "fire", the system is complex, and relies on o- rings to keep the oil in the right places and working, so if there is a problem related to o-rings it won't start or be very hard to start. So when working on the injection system a lot of things need checked, some under the intake, good injector oil pressure though is key. The 7.3 IMO is/was the best and most reliable of the bunch, and easier to work on. The 6.0 was a good engine when they were right, but had weak head bolts the heads were prone to cracking, and fuel would get in the cooling system and render the puke bottle, hoses and anything rubber junk. A very difficult situation to fix, we had some DT466s in our fleet and didn't have problems with them. I am retired now but have seen many engine problems, and destruction, caused by carelessness and stupidity and just defects in engines. watch your channel quite a bit, budding mechanics should watch some of them, good knowledge makes a good mechanic
I've been watching ur channel forever i got 1.252000 miles out of 425C only cat filters Rotella 15 40 inframe and pump done by Doug Burdick in 2007 still runs like new 6.7
There is a little button with a wire poking out of it on the streetside of the master cylinder. If you just pull it off the brake booster motor will stop. Don't forget to reconnect it. The beeper unplugs too.
17:18 Recently started working for a diesel engine parts supplier and learning the basics. Really enjoy watching your videos. Keep up the great work, very informational.
I worked on a fleet of trucks back in the 90s and early 2000s mostly DT466. Coolant in oil was cylinder liner o-rings 90+ percent of the time.
7:53
It's actually quite basic.
Cummins engines once ran full flow AND various kinds of bypass filters.
Here, the two are combined in the one can.
Go well.
Been a long time since I towed a little but I was told we do not carry new straps and bolts for every vehicle and they should be replaced, also since we towed it, there is probably a reason we could not start it and test drive it. Used a sandwich bag for the parts and it was up to the shop to use new or old parts. Some dealerships said they always used new straps and bolts but if we had a tow on the same vehicle after a "fix" they often had the old parts on. I do not know how many times they can be retorqued without replacing the bolts.
i am trying to figure out the terminology here ...i have had the driveshaft off, ...and i cant figure out this term ...Straps?....all i seaw was bolts with nuts ...about 10 or 12maybe ,what is the term ..Straps ...referring to?
@@michaelo2522 I believe it’s a circular shaped strap that goes over the u-joint, two bolts then hold it down and sandich the ujoint to the….and I forgot what it’s called…
@@user-ln7of9gs4s to the yoke.
I like your opinion on tow truck drivers, 😜, I experienced myself more than once when u joint bands were missing or thrown away after driveshaft was disconnected.
We are new viewers. Hubby is a diesel mechanic. Within the first few seconds of viewing my husband said it was a broken crank shaft. He said we have had too many of those in our shop. I'm curious to see what it is now.
ruclips.net/video/1zDDiX5z9vM/видео.html here it is. I’m also wondering
@@_ohmz_electric Hey, I guess my hubby was correct. He has been turning wrenches over 40 years.
It was a good year for A western state mechanic. Hey i just became an owner operator.
I’ve compared prices between Cat and Napa filters and actually the Napa filters were more expensive than the Cat filters. Also I’ve noticed the casing on the Napa oil filters is much thinner than the Cat. I removed a Napa oil filter from the truck and the casing got all bent up
I’ve switched from all Napa to OEM filters as well. I’ve priced Cat and Napa as well and Cats are cheaper.
It is very rare the tow driver puts the shaft back. More than a few times I find it would not be possible for them cuz they lost one or more of the bearing cups.
Tow truck drivers in Australia dont put tail shafts back in. I once had a service manager tell me, that it was normal for a 6 month old heavy truck engine to be blowing grey sludge out the breather tube. Turned out to be a known problem of welsh plugs in the head weeping coolant into an oil gallery.
Been running cat filters since your comparison vid ...quality parts = peace of mind
When working on international you can stop the beeping by holding the panel up button and the trip reset peg button down at the same time till it stops being
Pretty awesome destruction video Josh. Both are needing rebuilds. Great to see David get one destruction too. Great for the channel. Thank you for the shout out Josh always loving to help channel out. Happy Sunday 👍💪👊💪🛠🔧🔨💥💥
Always appreciate the pictures Jeri.
I ordered the airbag jack. It’ll be easy to use with a glad hand air line
I have other truck drivers always ask me why I buy the “expensive” cat filters and I’ll show them videos like this. To prove to them that CAT filters are far superior to the rest!
There are definitely degrees of quality, some aftermarket filters are better than others. Napa has different levels themselves, but the base level are really trash.
Never understood how people will invest thousands in engines but will cheap out on the one thing that can prolong it life
@@WhiteTrashMotorsports Also changing oil
😂 my dad has 2.5 million miles on his c-15 and the motor has never been overhauled and he has never used Cat filters... it’s really based on your maintenance regiment... my 14L Detroit has 1.6 million on it and I have only had to change two injectors and the turbo twice... no overhaul and no blowby...🤷🏼♂️
@@WhiteTrashMotorsports There are no ends to how cheap, cheap people can be. Its truly a disease.
I do heavy towing for a living. We do not put the driveshaft back in because the straps on the u joints are meant to be used one time. The liability of putting on the driveshaft back on without new parts is why we never put them back on. Also have to give the mechanics something to do;)
Adept i didnt know your shop was close to me until i saw the plates in this video, very cool
Never thought I’d see my scale model truck out in the wild, that blue Kenworth t660 is freakin sweet
The International beeper is just under the dash in the fuse/breaker panel. I always yank that summbitch out when Im working on one.
When the ISX cm2250 engine came along and the high pressure fuel pump shit the bed and flooded the engine with metal I found the Fleetguard filters failed to contain the metal overload and the cranks would be damaged, the engines with the Baldwin filters held all the metal and no crank damage was found, just my observation after doing over a hundred of them while at the dealership.
i would doubt your observations, once the filter is plugged the bypass valve opens and any filter will dose the engine with metal.
Love the videos... No, you just can't explain to some people why CAT filters are worth the money. I've gotta go back and remind myself which C7 you thought was the least amount of trouble. Thanks for all the efforts to make these videos..
Cat filters are cheaper at my kw dealer than my Napa or a fleet guard ……check yer prices folks
Powerstrokelp once encountered a 6.0 destroyed by an aftermarket filter. I don't even think that filter was different in price from a Motorcraft.
@@skylinefever , F@rd is many times the problem, had a lat 80's tempo(in the early 90's so it was newer then) worked on for a friend, tried at least 3 brand filters, only a motorcraft would not blow apart after approx 25 seconds of run time. They obviously only rely on an internal filter bypass which is just typical F@rd. Always run a motorcraft on any F@rd after that.
Rear main bearing spun, wrapped itself welded to the crankshaft. Why it was mentioned that there was a no start. I like the shiny cup with gold letters.
We use to use air bag jacks similar to your sponsors at my last job. Different brand but they were great.
That jack is a steal for 169 bucks. Ordered one and used your code. Should pick up my two 3126 powered cat filtered
FL70’s easily.
Thank you sir. Hope you like it.
As a tow driver, my job is to get it to location. Once that’s done, I’m done. If I tow a vehicle cause the wheel fell off, I’m not putting the wheel back on after the tow, so I’m not putting a DS back on.
I do believe you can disable the beeper on the international by holding the dash light dimmer switch up and pressing the odometer reset for about six seconds.
“Please get rid of your dip spit bottles before bringing it to the shop”……..
😇 I’ve never left em in there……😰
Well at least it was spit or chew and not a piss bottle.😳
I often run an air hose out and air the system up to shut up the beeping.. 150ft air hose comes in handy alot...
This guy seems to know his stuff as far as tow drivers no comment al and sons are great
The store I worked at in high school had a lot of older "textile mill" ladies as customers. Many of them used a Cambells soup to dispose of their Tuberose brand snuff residue. They often left half-full cans in the kiddie seat of the grocery carts for us to dispose of. Yuck!
Still, better to have Textile Mill Americans leaving cans of dip spit everywhere, than Basketball Americans robbing you, the store and the Textile Mill American!
@@kingofbrutaltheocracy9201 NAPA North American pavement ape
I bought that jack and it works great!
Thank you for your videos, really appreciate it.
Good stuff , I enjoy watching . Also nothing but Cat Filters go on my MXS Engine . Thanks for the video .
With some companies, even the OEM filters vary. Back in the day, OEM Nissan filters were built like tanks. Because of the part number and rarity of the Nissan 300ZXTT, you can still get one of those OEM filters. However, for the past 20+ years, many Nissan OEM filters are the same junk you would find at a discount oil change shop. Nissan just writes their name on them. If you own a Nissan, you can get Motorcraft filters intended for a Mercury Villager. They are just like the other Motorcraft filters, they just happen to fit certain Nissan engines.
11:10 It might be called "HPOP" short for "High pressure oil pump." That's what Ford calls it in the 7.3 and 6.0 PSD.
15:36 Usually NAPA writes their name on the cheapest Wix filter.
Napa Gold is a Wix, I'm not sure about the plain Napa filter, I don't touch those things. I know the Gold filters have the same part number as Wix, but maybe with the first number left off.
Love cat filters, I use them on all my cat machines, but that filter you took apart is legit. I may have missed it if you said it, but that’s the fleetguard stratapore Venturi filter. It’s a regular full flow stratapore filter, which is approx 15-20 micron like most. plus that stacked disc portion which is a 5 micron bypass filter. So instead of having a separate bypass filter like the amsoil setup, it’s all in 1. Very cool and effective design. But they are expensive. The regular stratapore filter for my ISB is $15. This Venturi filter is over $50. But according to fleetguard it can extend oil drain intervals by 4-5 times. So if you did that it may come out cheaper.
Oh my goodness, I always do a quick clean up of the cab before I ever have a mechanic work on anything. It’s common courtesy.
That cat looks so fun to work on. Loaded up with emissions garbage and general nonsense.
I've worked on a few C15s installed on oil rigs. I've seen multiple crank shaft failures.
Lot of job security in this video! Really enjoying your channel!
I had a 2001 Peterbilt with c15 CAT engine and they were notorious for blowing the connecting rod in the 5th cylinder not all of them just certain series
As a towing operator.
We mostly charge by the hour. In order to reinstall it, it generally costs more. Carriers and customers don't want us to many times. Usually higher pricing us vs mechanics time.
Insurances don't want to cover drive shaft reinstallation issues, as we aren't mechanics and have no training nor access to torque specs and don't have a torque wrench.
I repaired the same issue on the same engine a few months ago on a school bus it turned out to be the the front cover gaskets we replaced the front and rear covers and gaskets problem solved
Speaking of filters a couple of years ago a neighbour farmer had a box of various filters and belts etc that someone else had given him as they had no use for the parts. He was going through the box and there was a new wrapped in plastic cat brand final fuel filter that would fit a 3406E or C15 and was about to throw it and I said no no, don't throw that filter as it will fit either of your two trucks that have C15's. He said oh ... but I use XXX brand filter and didn't know how he was going to deal with that as it would be "confusing", I would not be surprised if he threw it away after I left.
A old time Cat mechanic told us that Wix use to make Cat filters. Cat got a shipment and spot checked them. They failed Cat's guidelines and Cat rejected the shipment. Wix took the filters and painted over the Cat label and put the Wix label on them and sold them.
I watch a few of the tow truck RUclipsrs, and one of them (I forget which) once explained their reason for not refitting the driveshaft. I don't know if it's a good reason, but he said it was for liability. He's not a mechanic and doesn't have the correct installation procedure and torque specs for the bolts; doesn't want to be responsible if it comes off going down the road because he did something wrong. He preferred to leave it to someone qualified to reinstall it.
Because in some states tow ops by state law are not allowed to put them back in
I agree with you on the filter quality statement.
I know an old skool mechanic who said one time he was chosen to work on a cab over. Anyway, the driver brought it to him, they put the cab over, it smelled like piss. Turns out the driver had a “convenience tube” it ran onto the hot engine. My mechanic friend told him to wash it before he would work on it. Driver threw a fit. Come on drivers, take pride in your equipment!
It's just a bypass filter. Forget the specs but probably in the 2 micron range for multi pass.
The problem is the bypass filter takes up space inside the can. If there’s any wear on the engine the smaller high flow filter will clog up faster with less warning.
That's a good point Mark.
@@AdeptApe My old Detroit 12.7 had 2 big oil filters and I never understood why. Now as a mechanic I get it. There’s far less resistance on the oil pump and if something goes wrong with the engine there’s tons of warning time to stop and check the filters for metal. Those old timer truckers knew a lot more than we gave them credit for.
@@markm0000 Do I need to go pull out my books? I seem to recall it's load capacity was equal to CAT's equivalent filter. A damaged engine doesn't plug the first pass filter. As evidence to this. How many filters have you seen where debris managed to plug it to the point it bypasses?
@@ShainAndrews It’s Sunday bro I’m not here to start a argument.
Interesting. I hope that we get to follow along with both repairs ... the DT466 will run almost forever if you take care of them ... it seems as though they aren't giving it the white glove treatment. The C15 should be a interesting repair, I know you've shown inframes before but ... always pickup something interesting when you do them. Thanks for taking us along! I Should've gone into turning wrenches instead of driving AND turning wrenches haha
The HEUI 466s were more problematic than the mechanical 466s.. if I were to buy one myself, definitely mechanical.. one is for reliability, but also, way easier to modify for more power.. the electronic ones, not so much.. think a 7.3 powerstroke with next to no aftermarket support..
@@stanleykendziorski7964 but those 466e’s are much better than anything post dpf anything that uses def is terrible.
That's kinda cool for a jack. The flexibility probably would be handy for off kilter lift points, or say using it sideways as a spreader.
Haha I love the roast on the nasty bottle in the cab
You're Brilliant at this!!! I've learned alot in just 2 weeks
That’s what she said
Tow truck drivers don’t reinstall drive shafts bc we’re not properly equipped to do so, mainly due to liability concerns.
Check the compressor for coolant getting into the oil
rust on the oildipstick cames from condensation water from cold starts.see this here on bmw and vw to.
Love your channel Josh!! Thanks for sharing your days. Or should I say horrors?
I’m surprised you work on stuff that’s not CAT. I’ve seen CAT dealers that wouldn’t even entertain anything but CAT to be worked on at the dealer.
Hey Josh watching your tutorials for awhile and can see what you experience in our shop. You guys probably don’t have issues with never having a slow week. How many mechanics at your shop and where do you rank in seniority. Keep up the excellent work.
Had a tow operator tell me the the non reinstall of drive lines was a directive from their insurance carriers. Stating that by reinstalling the drive line would expose liability classifying their tow drivers as mechanics.
That vevor jack is awesome. I’m building my own personal truck. Definitely gona add this to my truck
Keep us updated on these two engines.
With water in oil eats up bearings too. Im sure linear is eating through on the 466
Hope the cat gets saved. Need more cats on the road. Fram filters are junk also.
I'm a firm believer in CAT filtration..... I even put them on my duramax 😁
Cat filters are made by Donaldson also John Deere filters as well
I have a quick question what’s going to happen when everything goes electrical I really feel bad for you guys that are working hard to keep us truck drivers going
We don’t put the drive shaft or axles back because you’re gonna have to move it again anyways. Axles mainly because it’s labor intensive to remove and reinstall them.
Good luck finding Caterpillar parts for that rebuild. I have injectors on backorder from January
They can’t get the parts from China.
Have fun with that Grey death rtv.. awesome for sealing, but a PITA to clean up.. they came from the factory that way, because apparently intertrashinal couldn't figure out how to make a pan gasket.. also, the Grey death is super sensitive to oil contamination.. sucks trying to use it and have it actually stick..
The sound of "grey death silicone" really makes me hate International even more.
@@AdeptApe Haahaa I hear ya man! I've been fighting a powerstroke and loosing on an oil leak because of that stupid stuff.. I have a love hate relationship with international lol
If I can not get CAT OEM Filters, I’ve been using Baldwin Filters are they dependable filters?
If you can’t get a cat filter, a filter from Baldwin or Donaldson will be much better than most of the other options out there.
I like this in the shop format
As a tech at an international dealer you can stop that beeping …. Press down on the odometer pin and the up or down button to the left of gauge cluster for like 5 or so seconds and it will stop
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I almost bought one but was to unsure because people complaint that as soon as your not on perfectly level ground the ram inside binds up and gives you trouble when lowering… but anyway I think I’ll try it out
I Believe International calls their HEUI pump a high pressure oil pump or HPOP, the same nomenclature Ford used on Navistar engines in their trucks
Tow truck drivers don't install drive shafts due to liability reasons. and they usually don't have mechanics certifications to work on public vehicles.
Good vid. Lucky you are employed by someone who lets you do vids. You are not in Cali. for sure. We cant run the old stuff anymore. Cat and IHC colluded together to manufacture the Heui system. In Cali.
I love my S Series Internationals and DT466s, of course my DTs are all 1990 and older. Have had them in service from 32 to 40 years. Have some other junk too with 3406B, 6V53, 6-71, 8V92, 855 in them. Nothing electrified in my fleet. None of these old mechanicals have ever given me any major problems, but some of the trucks around them choose to rust out!. Traitors!
How does one accidentally add def to the oil?