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I'm so glad that any civilization produced this woman.
I 2nd the motion!
OMG I was the 666th like God bless our dark queen 👑 🙏🏼.
No
she made herself, literally
@Pord Lartsa nono, she's an achievement of capitalism, manufactured as the greatest and most inspired innovation as this is the thing capitalism drives. Sadly, she didn't sell bc the title "a woman who'll make art that talks about topics that concern current day politics and make completely inappropriate jokes somewhere in that" was terrible marketing, so she went independent from the company that made her and they went on to become rich with newer products, targeting a different market. I believe their most sold where "Musk - he reeks of money and bad ideas!" and Ben Sharp-witted-piro (reasoning skills not included)".
I'm a bit ashamed to say this but watching your videos over the past few months has really changed my prejudice towards transgender people for the better. It's silly that I should have ever thought of transgender people as different in any way, it's just that I never met a trans person I related to. Thank you so much for digging me out of a hole in my way of thinking and closing my perceived gaps between other humans a bit more.
Joe Bliven
You deserve many hugs for that
I think that is the problem (and success) of the reactionary right. They don't really interact with the people of whom they talk. So I've had several fairly hard right-wingers tell me that I'm "not a real leftist/SJW" or that I'm somehow fundamentally different from the majority, because they can have a conversation with me. So I've concluded that they think that they're basing their opinions on characterizations by talking heads more than real people.
Don't be ashamed for improving yourself.
Wholesome comment, let's all try and get more empathetic till we die
George Flythe Do you have so little empathy that only reason you can imagine someone not being hateful like you is seeking sex?
As a brazilian, its very interesting to see the part where she mentions south america isnt considered part of 'the west' even thought we speak european languages and are christian, because we arent white. Its funny because here in brazil people absolutely refer to the country as part of the 'western world', and that goes together with most brazilians considering themselves white. This reminds me of a quote of a brazilian educator and philosopher, Paulo Freire, who says "When the education is not liberating, the dream of the opressed is to become the opressor".
Exatamente
Perfeito, Gabriela!
I'd always considered Latin America the West, and I'm from the U.S. I guess it varies from person to person.
To be fair i feel like southern Europeans consider south America to be Western.
At least in Italy we do
@@psq6214 maybe because we are latin based. This divide seems to me to be language based, except France.
Isn’t weird “western civilization” used to include Poland then it didn’t for 45 years then it did.
😂💀💀💀
😂 oh yeah.
More like 50 years or however long the soviets had control of Poland
unfortunately many poles will see participation in the western capitalist death machine as necessary self-advancement and defense against Russia
It shouldn't.
"Boys in drag played female parts... I wish I had female parts .."
At least you have the puns.
and the buns.
"working on it."
Alexa, play “Same Parts”
That's not exactly a pun, its more of a humoruos double entendre.
@@tortis6342 at least a play on words.
You know what's weird? Why is South America never considered part of the west, even though it litteraly is in the western hemisphere, and it's mostly Christian, and it inherited as much european culture as the US did.
EXACTLY
@Metsarebuff 22 "shitty culture" would be forcing an arbitrary caste system that ensures future nations are stratified, unequal messes. Hard to say how native nations would have turned out. It's not like Scandinavians or Irish commit human sacrifice anymore.
@Asier Linazasoro For one, the concept of technological and societal progress certainly weren't alien to the natives. Mesomericans had working sewer systems and aqueducts, writing charts, an understanding of astronomy, educational houses, among other things. It's not like they were content to stay rock-banging savages. Also, you can have progress and development through trade and communication. That's how the Europeans got their hands on gunpowder and printing to begin with.
Many indigenous communities today are marginalized, mistreated, impoverished, and brutalized in some cases (see Guatemala). Therefore, their access to modern amenities is fairly limited by today's standards. That's the legacy of the Spanish caste system. The Spanish Crown saw the Americas as a source of wealth and cheap labor. Any benefit to the natives was simply either a means to or a byproduct of that end. And, given how many of it was fueled by slavery and outright slaughter, I doubt they'd be comforted by it.
Two, "but the Aztecs were worse!" isn't a valid argument. They were pretty much hated by surrounding tribes and kingdoms (which is how the Spanish got so many willing volunteers) and were not even a century old by the time of European contact. You're also operating under the assumption that the Aztecs and their barbaric practices would have lasted forever. For all we know, they could have collapsed or reformed with surrounding civilizations sprouting up, just like the Romans.
White people of European ancestry are the largest ethnic group of Argentina and Uruguay. They make up more than 90% of the population in both countries.
It's because of developement. They would never want to assosiete themsleves with poor,corrupt and dangerous countries.
As a Greek person, it's so ironic to me that while Greek philosophers were and still are considered part of the ''Western civilization", for many years, Greeks weren't considered ''white'' or ''western'' enough for the big 3 (U.S. Canada, Australia)
Greeks are kinda in the middle and Ancient Greeks had more interactions with the Middle East than Northern and Western Europe. Also, Western Europeans (Latins, Franks etc) saw Greeks apart from themselves which is ironic since they also claimed that their civilization had started in Ancient Athens. 1204 was really a turning point though.
@@freespiritedd Its simple... it all a bunch white supremacist bullshit to justify imperialism and slavery.
@@louismichael6843 I second that
Greeks have more middle eastern dna than western europe
@@alzicario3466 and Greeks are more similar to Hispanics/Latinos for US standard of racial line
As an art history student may I suggest instead of the "SJW revolution" the "Rainbow Renaissance"
I second this
Oooooo, I can get behind that.
Add some violence back. Call it the Rainbocalypse.
Please
👍
I'm a historian and this is SO PLEASING TO WATCH. YOU EVEN MENTIONED THOMAS AQUINAS UGH WE STAN
She studied philosophy, how could she not have mentioned Thomas Aquinas?
Peter Pepper I didn't discover this until recently. It still is great being exposed to such quality content
You're a historian? That would mean you have at least a master's degree, but you used the phrase "I stan" which makes me think you're too young to have a master's.....
Katie w My bad then! I simply meant a university degree in history (and some minor research in the humanist field). But the master's on its way
The part about Wallace had me yell at the screen! I always talk about him! He is so important in recent US history.
Jordan Peterson, defending the West with an Eastern sword. There's some symbolism in there somewhere.
I'm pretty sure you made this expecting a reply... that I can't give you so come on people.
It means anime won
@@somethingweirds3375 fucking lmao
He slew an Asiatic enemy in battle and took his sword as a trophy of war.
@@stephenrichey8487 By that you mean he molested an asian boy and stole his toy sword.
As a Jew, I despise the term “Judeo-Christian values.” After hundreds of years terrorizing and persecuting Jews and our beliefs, Christians can’t just start talking as if we are one big mass of similar beliefs. No. We fought desperately to maintain our traditions and culture despite Christian persecution. And considering the term is often brought up in contrast to Islam, please don’t bring us into it. Judaism and Islam has a long and complicated history, but it’s a very different one than that between Islam and Christianity.
Edit: I really liked the video. My complaint is with all the people being discussed in the video who use that term.
Islam and Christianity are more similar than judaism and Christianity honestly
The term "judeo-christian values" was invented out of whole cloth by the evangelical movement to make it okay for them to like israel all of a sudden (not jews, of course, just israel)
Yeah but it's Judeo-Christian because Christianity is an outgrowth of Judaism.
Managerial Elite Toaster It may be an outgrowth, but it’s also, at least in part, a rejection of Judaism. There are academic contexts where the term may be appropriate, but in general usage it feels somewhat appropriative.
It's normal, because "Judeo-Christianity" is a construction, mainly in the U.S., more for political lobbing reasons than anything else. In a way, when the secluded Evangelical communities that have a thingy with the old testament (that is more warlike than the new), became the voting pool of the Bush family, they were used as a religious "bridge" with modern Israel. I'm a European and we don't hear a lot of verbalisms about the subject. Christians never liked that the Jews were a literate community, because this type of minorities cannot be deculturized and assimilated. And with biblical bullshits about the crucifixion unleashed hell on Jews for almost 2 millenniums. On the other hand, before the British "divide and rule" politics in middle East, Islam was a safer place for Jews than the christian lands.
The tiny speck of “West” in French Guiana on the map really got me for some reason. It just drives home how arbitrary it all is
Isn't the map a list of the NATO members? I'm not sure, just guessing.
@@Eris_Norregard no it's 5-eye countries+eu members (croatia excluded)+south africa. switzerland, iceland, norway, Liechtenstein, etc. are not red but they are usually considered "western".
@@harry12 Ohh, ok then, thanks for clarifying
if it's maid by europeans it's western. easy.
You’ve heard about Mothman, now get ready for Butterflywoman
Natalie is the cryptid we deserve.
edit: 7 months later, I realised that Mothman is special, too. We appreciate all cryptids in this household.
the MOST iconic duo
SPC-[REDACTED] HAS BREACHED CONTAINMENT
Can't wait for larvaboy and caterpillargirl.
fruity garlic I’m really glad you put that edit in there. I was about to attack you on Twitter
"Lobster Dad"
"Dr. Clean-your-room."
"Professor Study-the-blade."
These are all amazing.
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It's funny how in the United States they don't see Latin America as part of the West but here, in Latin America, most people see themselves as part of the West.
Not just in the US Europe as well as us in Asia don't really consider Latin America as really Western for several reasons
jay dani, does anyone in Asia consider themselves western, though?
Also, it’s not “several reasons”. It’s two reasons: we’re not white enough and not rich enough.
@@felipevasconcelos6736 nope nobody considers themselves western in Asia.
Also culturally Latin America is very different from the West
jay dani, the west isn’t one big monolithic culture. If France and Australia are similar enough to be part of “The West”, so are Portugal and Brazil.
@@felipevasconcelos6736 Yeah, Siberians, some Siberians.
14:14: For y‘all who don‘t speak German, that piece by Mozart is titled „Kiss my ass“ or even more literally „Lick me in the ass“. As far as I know that is actually real, it was a joke song written to one of his friends or something like that. Love ya natalie.
Actually, Mozart was a bit obsessed with, um, scatological matters as revealed in letters to his wife. Seriously. Weird ,but true
meinst du sie weiß das, oder war das ein großartiger Zufall?
@@jakobgiel2684 ...kann es nicht Schrödingers Arschsong sein?
@@gloriamontgomery6900 Well, shit.
As a German I can confirm XD
i need a mukbang thats just "natalie sits in silence and eats vaguely phallic foods"
"vaguely" lol
Yes this
Yes
Arden Collins I mean, degenerate hedonism is the only sport any of us have ever been good at so....
"Western values"
Values change on a dime. Elvis Presley used to be considered satanic.
ruclips.net/video/8LCD__A3XbA/видео.html
Wait, when did that change?
@Blanik L-13 "muslims and asians". Those 3 words tells me everything i need to know about you
He was sexually immoral, and a heretic, a tool of Satan to further corrupt the US making it closer to the US of AIDS that it now is.
@Blanik L-13 it's not pre judging to say you dont have a sane grasp on geopolitics or humanity in general. You advertised it by your comments.
Im a cis woman who grew up playing age of empires!!!! Your youthful taste in 90s pc games doesnt make your gender any less valid!!! Also thanks for your vid about female sessualityyy
I'm listening to this video while playing aoe and feel incredibly seen.
i'm here with you all, i like to think that learning to consistently decimate my 3 older brothers in aoe 2 as a teen is a central pillar of my personality today
when she mentioned the battle of Tours my mind immediately went to the scenario and then she mentioned AoE2 for real I cannot believe
@@kaitlynbent8132 as I just downloaded it last month to get better bc my friends now play it and as a kid my older brothers beat my ass, I feel represented
I sometimes watch this video just for the aoe bit, I LOVE that game to this day haha
It's honestly so funny to me how contradictory these ideas are. You have one side claiming that "the west" is defined by "judeo-christian values" and another side claiming that Jewish people pose a threat to "the west". You have people claiming that Marxism, which was literally invented by Karl Marx, a German, so a westerner, is non-western, while Christianity, which originated on the Middle-East, is somehow very western. And let's be real, culturally, as a German, I have more in common with my Polish neighbours (who wouldn't have been considered part of "the west" for a big part of the 20th ct because communism) than I do with people from the US. At the same time, I'm not sure I have that much in common culturally with, say, Greek people. There's these weird, seemingly arbitrary borders between countries that are considered "western" and those that aren't. Somehow, eastern Europe could become "western" once they adopted capitalism, but it's not like they were culturally super different to the rest of Europe before that. And there's still discussions about whether Turkey is part of Europe (and thus, "the west") or not. Somehow, people seem to have an easier time seeing Russia as part of Europe than Turkey, despite both having large parts of their landmass in Asia, but most of their population living in Europe. Wonder what that's all about...
Both Russia and Turkey are considered Eurasian not 100% European nor 100% Asian. Now as to why it's easier to accept Russia as European.. that could be because Russia is primarily Orthodox whereas Turkey is primarily Muslim and when people think of Europe they think Christian even though some European countries have huge Muslim populations or in cases like Albania are primarily Muslim. There's also the Turkey/Greece/Cyprus conflict and the occupation etc etc that prevents Turkey from joining the EU but the EU=/= Europe
Plus Marx was ethnically Jewish. His father converted and Marx was an atheist that was critical of Judaism, but many scholars and philosophers have explored themes of Judaism and Jewish thought in his early works.
@@geo3898 "Why it's easier to accept Russia as European [than Turkey]" I think it's because the average Westerner thinks Turkey is fundamentalist Muslim and brown, despite Turkey being secular and fighting more terror attacks than any other European nation, and most Turks being just as white as any other Mediterranean.
Regardless of diplomatic obstacles to Turkey joining the EU, the media sees it in racial and cultural terms, as migrants "swamping" and "flooding" Europe.
@@LowestofheDead i disagree with your last point about Europeans seeing Turks as immigrants swamping and flooding Europe the Turkish diaspora is already huge in Europe and as far as i know they don't have a lot of problems from Europeans especially the more secular Turks. There's prejudice against Arabs but not Turks unless you're in countries like Greece and Cyprus that currently have problems with Turkey. Also unfortunately Turkey is no longer secular during erdogans presidency it's been getting more and more extremist when it comes to religion. From paying women to wear hijabs to using the Qur'an's teachings to attack minority groups like lgbtq+ people
@@geo3898 Are you Turkish because you seem to have a lot of understanding about us
As a British man, I was actively yelling "No!" as you dipped that corndog in tea.
Forevermore the degradation of the west will be symbolised as someone dipping a corndog in perfectly good tea.
Just here to say mine was your 69th upvote
@@PurpleDingoPress nice
As an American man, I was yelling "No!" as she ruined that perfectly good corndog by submerging it in tea.
And here I was wondering how it tasted
the decline of western civilization (sic) unfolds right here in the comments.. just as our Natalie knew it would ;)
I'm Italian (as in "actually born and raised in Italy") and some people don't even consider us to be white (which could actually be true but then again, what's up with the "italian race"? It doesn't exist) but historically we're supposed to be - along with the Greeks - the co-founders of Western civilization and it's just so funny to me to see these people just be so confused
I'm Italian too. We are white.
@@vladtheimpaler5200 but that's the point: we shouldn't care to begin with
+Vlad the Impaler Some self-described "Nordicists" would disagree.
There's a book called 'How the Irish became White', various peoples who are now considered fundamentally part of western or white "civilisation" were considered other in the past. Growing up and now I never thought of myself as white, it didn't seem very important. I identified more with colonised African or Native American peoples than imperialist countries like Britain or the US.
@Deus Vult! What every educated person should know is that when Rome was Europe's hegemon, there was no Italy thus there were no Italians either. The only thing these two nations share in common is geoghraphical location, and that's pretty much it. My previous comment about fascism obvisously makes no sense, I just wanted to point out how silly it is to connect people who lived hundreds or thousands years ago to the people living today.
The whole "judeo-christian values" thing is rememiscent to words like "the Jewish bible" or "jewish Christmas". People will be antisemitic, while at the same time try to lump Jewish people into "western culture" in hopes that they'll be forgotten or stay quiet about it.
Tbf it’s not uncommon for Jews to refer to the Tanakh as the “Hebrew bible”
If you don't walk away introspective yet sexually aroused, are you really watching a contrapoints video?
These videos have assured that I'll never be able to think of the terms "dad" and "Jordan Peterson" independently from one another
Thom Avella Jordan is the dad who dresses business casual on the beach and won't kick you out for being gay but will make you buy your own damn groceries
petersonandshapiro.jpg “don’t talk to me or my lobster boy ever again”
I think daddy should cool and just admit he found Natalie's video funny!
Thom Avella All part of her plan...
Jasper Stuart And of course will tell you to clean your room
It's weird how the works of Russian writers philosophers and musicians make up a large part of "western heritage", it almost seems like we've got geography all wrong and the North Pole is actually the West Pole.
It's _our_ acclaimed music, but _their_ communism. What's weird isn't the degree of picking and choosing, but how much the propaganda is immediately and uncritically accepted.
Also funny that the west claims ancient Greek ancestry but doesn't want to affiliate with byzantine culture
@New Nationalist Podcast karl marx grew up in western culture with western education...Dont blame jews for creating communism, blame the culture where karl marx grew in.
@@LowestofheDead lol yeah
It's also funny how a man who first got Christianity "legalized" (Constantine the Great) was born in today's Serbia and ruled from today's Turkey, both of which aren't considered and don't consider themselves part of "The West".
"Gender bending, intoxication, sodomy"
Aka a great saturday night
Thursday for me
@@nikemaraje5
Hows your cousin Niki?
@@kendomyers who's Niki and what cousin
Are you of the Trinidad & Tobago House Minaj?
If not, my mistake
@@kendomyers im from Vienna just like Mozart 😍✌🏻🙈
I have a presentation for class about "is there a European identity" and this video has been super helpful, even though I know 'The West' and Europe aren't exactly the same, there are lots of similarities (especially the dogwhistles to discriminate against poc immigrants), so thank you for making it
Update: it went very well! Teacher said it was excellent and 'provocative'
@@brynjames3779 Congratulations :D
Don't play with your food.
Edit: guys calm down I love Satie, that was a shitpost.
ContraPoints I'VE BEEN WAITING.
What if the food plays with you
ContraPoints you're not my mom
ContraPoints I am literally eating hula hoops, how am I supposed to not play with them?
can I at least smash my mimosas?
Forget killing Hitler as a baby, that’s overrated, I want to use a time travel machine to get Henry Wallace elected
Yea definitely
We stan correct decisions
How about not getting him NOT screwed over by racist southerners at the 1944 democratic convention so Truman could be the footnote in history he deserves to be?
Hitler's town was nuked with a 50 megaton from World War 3 (time traveling) when he was a baby, so you should just leave him alone.
I think i'd want to stop the americas being discovered by europeans, so much slavery and genocide happened because of that.
I like how some Americans think of Europe as a homogeneous thing where everyone has the same history, values, skin color and is Christian. Which European countries even fit the criteria of being part of the west?
I think it's like an ice cream-cone system, where you can pick 1-3 scoops of the countries you like.
@@rockCity777 thats just amazing
This is an underrated comment if I ever saw one.
being white, Christian and non-jewish
Yeah it’s weird. Typically it’s something like this:
England, France, Germany, Nordic Countries, maybe Ireland or Spain
It's mindblowing to learn Americans and probably Europeans either consider latinamericans to be "western". We absolutely consider ourselves to be part of the west and we regularly use the term, not once stopping to think of its accuracy. I'm speechless and kinda feel left out
They also think that the Americas are two different continents: it’s like finding out your boyfriend doesn’t think you’re dating.
You are not alone. Wester europeans and US people also dont consider eastern europe to be western civilization but we totally do.
Sorry to break it to you but no you’re not part of the western world….
Exactly, old habits. I was interpreting from English to Spanish at a hospital, the provider asks this patient from Mexico, “when did you come to America? Lol and I said in Spanish: “when did you come to the EEUU”? (Spanish
well honestly thats kinda similar to how colourist mestizos in latin america consider thenselves "white" and spanish, even though they are obviously people of colour of mixed heritage.
I've never had a corn dog before.
This video made me hungry
They exist in this country. Does Asda not carry over Wal-Mart goods every now and then?
hbomberguy You can even get them in soy form, though the will have a different mouthfeel.
Americano-centric leftist degenerate ConPo is baiting us Europeans to become hungry by display of mediocre fair food. However I told my american friend at the beginning of the video that I would very much like to eat a corndog right now, even though I never got to taste one. Guess corndogs aren't a product of the west afterall.
Wait the UK doesn't have corn dogs? That sounds like a good reason to L I B E R A T E it and bring hot dogs, democracy, and free markets to the British Isles!!
So when will memes be banned in the UK?
What are corn dogs?
Philosophy Tube battered saveloy for the brits.
Pluto pup or dagwood dog for the Aussies
Hot dog with batter
Corn bread over a hot dog .
Sometimes a corn dog is just a corn dog
Cheap sausages dipped and batter and deep fried. Y'know, American.
They're delicious.
“Like Little Benny and Professor Studied-the-Blade” LOLOL You are a gift to humanity.
As a fellow transgirl who played age of empires II as a kid, that "wololo" joke did land so hard
I imagine this has been mentioned already but the Mozart tune she included in the video translates to “Lick Me in the Ass” and is a real tune composed by Mozart.
She? C'mon!
It is also a pretty common expression in German to say "fuck off"
Johnny Rotten's got nothing on Mozart!
@@FrederickObando No, in German you would say "Leck mich am Arsch", which translates to "lick my ass", but Mozart went the extra mile to call it "Leck mich *im* Arsch", which means "lick me *in* the ass". This wording isn't usually used (by that mean not at all), but it implies, that it's supposed to be even more offensive than the common expression.
@@amhk5918 searching linguee.com there are other (somewhat dated) sources using "im" instead of "am". You're purely basing this on today's German; there's nothing to say "Leck mich im Arsch" wasn't a normal way to say fuck off.
As a latin american, its the first time ive heard an american talk about how we, the southern part of america aren´t considered a americans
Not only are you not "Americans", your not "western" either. Or so say the defenders of "The West". Absurd, I know. And I apologize for those up here in El Norte who have never travelled any farther south than El Paso, Texas who think like that. Peace.
Weird. I always thought Central and South America were part of the West, too.
I always thought Latin America was part of the so called west!
Well.. after watching this video this concept of a “west”doesn’t resonate with me anymore... so that doesn’t matter anymore!
Man, I always wished we have a better term for people from the US other than "Americans", some equivalent to "estadounidense" other than just saying "a resident of the US".
@@Emily-ce7hd "unitedstaters"
"Lil benny and professor studied the blade" - I am actually dying and genuinely almost fell out of my chair.
The Ben Shapiro height jokes trigger me, ngl. It makes leftist circles difficult for guys who have body dysmorphia
I think you're magical. You crack me up, you make my heart bubble, and I admire your authenticity. I am overwhelmed by love when I watch you. Thank you for your passion, your heart, and your humor. You are truly a treasure.
🎉she will never read this😂
@@sit-insforsithis1568 Maybe not. But you did. And that's what matters.
@@nojochs ayy that’s the spirit !
"By gender bending, intoxication, and sodomy - you know, things that have never happened in Europe."
I laughed, very loudly, for a long time. Well played.
Yeah, but let's not forget that Europe has some of the best countries in the world. Don't discredit it for minor problems.
Why are gender bending, intoxication, and sodomy a problem?
For me, that's a fun night off work.
@AJ Last Yeah, because when you see Europe you only think of criminals. Ironic really.
rdormer same
@AJ Last The point is that people claim it's going to destroy "Western" civilization when it's been more or less a large part of it since the beginning.
Ok but who gave you the right to be that pretty
The Goddess, natch.
Aphrodite I guess
Hours applying makeup.
@@crinklechips6950 still prettier than most humans so what's your point
@@crinklechips6950 Geez, who shat in your cereal?
As an Englishman, I've never experienced a corndog. I'm very confused. Is it bread? Meat? Is it sweet, or salty? Also, brilliant analysis on the West :)
it's...juicy
@@christinerhei1228 Juicy bread meat? I dont know how I missed these working in the US! Its an expensive ticket to come back and try :)
Is it corn?
Sooooo you take a hot dog and stick a popsicle stick in it. Then dip it in a slightly sweet cornmeal based batter and deep fry it. It turns out like a hot dog wrapped in a pancake I guess? They’re common at state fairs and carnivals being made fresh. Those ones she has were probably frozen and honestly they’re just as good. As far as garbage American food goes this is one of our better inventions. The crunchy outside and soft sweet inside of the batter really makes it.
@@19031589 Thankyou! :) this is like there perfect explanation. I can see how a battered hot dog would make a good euphemism for dick. I feel like a slightly more culutred person today!
Oh my god... I am from Poland and watching this crowd of Polish people screaming Donald Trump's name is making me sick...at least after watching your video on cringe I can say I feel "Ingroup cringe"...and I can feel it hard.
@nihilismful Naprawdę? Nie wiedziałam, że Polska jest przedstawiana jako "homogeniczny raj" - brzmi to absurdalnie. Może gdyby ludzie dobrze znali historię nie wygłaszaliby takich głupot :( Ehh, co tu dużo mówić... na szczęśćie jest contrapoints
@@martynasmerczek1313 I like your funny words wizard man.
@@martynasmerczek1313 95%(albo wiecej) Biali katolicy. Jasne ze polska jest bardzo homogeniczna
12:33 "doctor-clean- your-room" OMG that was perfect!
MAGOG DADDY
Lindasy! I didnt know you were a Contra fan!
GalaxyEspeon hopefully she will make a video about the problematic nature of Duocons in the new Transformers Bumblebee movie.
Wandering Oryx Lol I don't keep up with any of the Transformer movies so I had no idea what that's about.
GalaxyEspeon oaawh man, Lindsay has a major hard on for the children's commercials. You might even say, the duality of duocons, which constitutes of two vehicles, smashing into each other, that the imagery in the movie might look a bit 'phallic', considering a 'cock'pit of a helicopter sticks out of the chest of the blue, 'male', bot, along side his female, 'red', 'partner', might also have the plane swing up from underneath what would be considered the crotch area, with the turbines coming full circle to the front. So in a way, Ripcord has a penis burst out of him, while Slash is grabbed by the pussy and has a plane fly up her robo vagina.
Wandering Oryx sounds like transformer robot sex is pretty deadly and epic lol!
That's an interesting point about ancient Greece you made; a few years ago I saw a picture on the internet, made by American nationalists who complained about the St Sophia church being turned into a Mosque in Istanbul.
On this picture it was written "Look at what they took from us".
My first reaction was to answer "who destroyed western Roman empire ?"
They always use the word "we" or "us" as if there was a western monolithic block: but as a guy whose family is from southern Europe and Northern Africa, I really don't see it that way: northern European racists clearly see themselves as superior to southern Europeans, that's why I don't buy into this "western monolithic block" bullshit.
Greeks and Italians clearly see that there is not such thing as "Us" when they are accused of not being white enough by supremacists.
Even the word "white"... What does it mean ? People from the middle East and Northern Africa are white, it isn't a matter of mélanine.
And as you said: Greeks preferred to see themselves as the heirs of Cadmos the Phoenician prince, rather than the proud sons of the north and Ragnar Lothbrok.
Middle Easterners are not white. The only reason why we are considered “white” in the US is because Middle Eastern Christians were escaping persecution, and checking Asian as our race would mean immigration restrictions. Also, people wanted Jesus to be considered white.
@@lavenderdemons white is Caucasian, and Semites and other middle easterners are Caucasian.
The american definition of "white" is bullshit, actually they don't consider middle easterners white.
There is no such things as an "Asian" race, some Americans are so ignorant of the rest of the world that they put everything in the same category.
If middle easterners are not white, so what are they ?
White does not mean blond and blue eyes, or European.
Americans didn't even consider Jews and Italians white until recently.
If you tell me middle easterners are not white according to the American definition, sure, but if white means Caucasian they are white for sure.
I am writing about this subject because the word white is used constantly by every nationalist in America as well as in Europe (because European nationalists just copy Americans without even thinking about it).
If not for that, I wouldn't care being considered white or brown or whatever bullshit word these people invented to hide their profound ignorance of the world.
@@wakaman3295 white does not mean Caucasian. Caucasian means people from Caucasus.
@@lavenderdemons "Caucasian" or "caucasoid" used to describe people from Europe, Middle East and Northern Africa. Just like "Mongoloid" was used not just for Mongols but for other populations in Asia.
But these terms are obsolete. I use them to try to find a definition to the word "white".
"White" is an American invention, and has no real meaning whatsoever.
My World History profs in college did a whole unit on "The West" as a term adn why it doesnt really mean anything. Thankful that I had that. As time passed I remembered that the word was dumb, but not WHY it was dumb, so I'm tnkhaful I stumbled on this video. Really to just have to try and define it to realize its definition inherently creates an "us" vs "them" with distrubing delineations.
My boyfriend lost it at how messy jordan peterson's room is
cuz he's gay, right ?
is ur bf single ?
@@itsMe_TheHerpes what up homie
"even an amateur like satie"
You take that back you absolute monster
Eric Taxxon
Y'know, "amateur" isn't necessarily an insult. If you look at it etymologically it just means someone who loves what they do. :)
(Though it's also technically correct since Satie didn't have a formal music education)
You need a verified check dude!
Erik Satie: Never the chord you expect
But 1 second later you realize it couldn't have been any other chord
You never fail to make me laugh, keep up the great work, you genuinely inspired me to pursue music.
"My mind is a predator preying on itself" is maybe the most relatable thing I've ever heard.
I really appreciate the subtitles so much... My english is pretty fluent now, but it wasn't always... And these type of videos have more difficult vocabulary... And I really like educational content... It makes me really happy when I see good content with subtitles in multiple languages. :D They also make more content accesible for deaf people! :D
"911, There's a tall blonde woman in my yard, with big manly hands, naked and covered in butterflies." "Maam, calm down, listen to me, do you see a wedding ring on one of those hands?" "N-no?" "Ok, I'll- we'll be right there!!"
yo I'm a cis girl who grew up playing age of empires. bond with your sisters!
hard same, I owned a copy of Age of Mythology too and maaaan I had such a crush on Circe
Yo _Age of Mythology_ was awesome!
I played minesweeper
@@magusperde365 VALID 👩⚖
Thank you! I was thinking the same thing. In fact, I’m literally about to play Civilization right now
"Things that have never happened in europe" absolutely killed me
What a beautiful amalgamation of aesthetics, history, philosophy and satire!
"Western culture will fall apart if weird gender stuff"
Who's gonna tell him about Rome and Greece?
@Ego Amatium Corruption is degeneracy, and when leaders are corrupt, why wouldn't their represented be? Without corrupt underlings, corrupt leaders have no power.
@Ego Amatium You looked at my channel in a desperate attempt to find something to use against me, but all you got was the empty rhetoric of an AD HOMINEM fallacy, since you're an idiot. You're also illiterate since you don't know that degeneracy is synonymous with corruption. And you didn't answer my question, coward. Checkmate. Too easy. Get lost. You had your chances.
@Ego Amatium Preemptively, don't confuse AD HOMINEM with a mere insult. Learn the difference.
wich both fell cause of uncontrolled immigration fucking werido
@@barbatvs8959 history is a bit more complicated than you are assuming. I have listened to professors talk about the intricacies of decline of The Roman Republic, the fall of the republic, the rise of empire, the split of empire, the decline of some of the empire, then the decline of the rest of it spanning centuries of ups and downs until I wanted to vomit my insides out...you are oversimplifying things a tad.
"-playing female parts. I wish I had female parts. Working on it." - this bit of acting and editing was Oscar-worthy and BAFTA-deserving.
I don't understand why she only has 146K subscribers. The production quality of her videos is outstanding.
Eyyyy 152k
I honestly need that last part as a meme or poster for my hanging in there poster.
‘Working on it’ reminded me of Miranda Sings
Im playing with real female parts
I want to call Ben Shapiro into a debate, show to him photos of random people in the world, tell him that they're from the US, and then ask what's their skin color. He will be suprised when he will call "non-westerns" white in live
14:14 Ah yeah, the magnum opus of Mozart 'Leck mich im Arsch', I do love that piece
nice touch Natalie
nice touch
Fun fact: “Leck mich am Arsch” is still a commonly used phrase in German that roughly translates to something like “fuck off”. It’s said to have been coined by the badass Knight Götz von Berlechingen when he was asked to surrender. There is also a very famous play by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (who id argue is something like our German Shakespeare) about the guy that I would definitely recommend if you can get a hold of it.
Annoying social justice warrior Martin Luther....
*pauses video, laughs for 30 minutes*
It's literally true though, if that vile Germanoid hadn't started his hissy fit we would all still live under the benevolent guidance of the mother Church in Rome and none of this shit would've happened in the first place.
@@SloveneAnon Some of us would be living under the benevolent guidance of the Eastern Church, thank you very much.
What about "Thomas Aquinas, one of the most powerful Catholic sorcerers"
😂
@@adorabell4253 Oh yeah you go ahead but don't pretend to be Western (duh).
@@SloveneAnon So suddenly Greece, most of the Balkans, and Russia aren't Western? But I thought Greece was the birthplace of western thought.
Funny how those who spout "judeo-Christian values" don't really focus on the "judeo" part, which can and does have different cultural values and also a lot of them still throw around antisemitic rhetoric.
Yeah, I was a bit upset she didn't say anything about that.
The people who use the term "judeo-christian" usually include Jews as part of western civilization and are pro-Israel
I don't think they really do in general. It seems more like they just throw Jews in there as some kind of "us versus them" with Islam. The people who use it really don't know anything about Judaism and just assume it's like Christianity except without a messiah.
Also, just because they're pro-Israel doesn't mean they actually care about Jews. There are lots of Christians who just want Israel around to fight with Muslim countries because they think it's some prerequisite for the rapture. The other part is that Israel needs to have Jews there so they can all die before the rapture.
Hyenafan if they actually knew anything about Judaism they would know that the Talmud actually shit talks Jesus multiple times, and they would hate Jews. It really makes more sense for Muslims to support Zionism, considering they believe in and practice all the same rituals that Christians believe are done away with
Wasserrübenvergilbungsvirus in my experience the antisemitism doesn't know a side. Even the most "intersectional" leftists will say the most antisemitic things and put it in the guise of being critical of Israel.
Like excluding people from pride because they had the star of David on a rainbow flag and calling it an "Israeli flag" even though....the magen star is its own significance.
I watch Contrapoints for the plot!
Nat’s comments on being a woman who used to play Age Of Empires is so funny to me, because I (a cis lesbian) also used to play video games like that when I was younger and in my early 20s comp-het days men did indeed find my old school gaming knowledge attractive I “wasn’t like the other girls” .... but I was gay, soz boys
My first introduction to you was through the Blaire White debate. Felt like I was the only one agreeing with you through a see of angry commentators bashing you there. So glad I found your channel, it's a breath of fresh air from all these Sargon of Akkads.
Serb Hunter thats how I found her too
I believe the plural is 'Sargons of Akkad'
That's where I first saw her too and she was a breath of fresh air considering how utterly sick of Blaire I had become by then.
Same. But I really disliked her. I didn't left nasty comments but I heavily disagreed with her. Later on I thought I wasn't being fair with her because her appearance distracted me from her arguments (yeah, I'm a jerk) and once I watched the whole thing again I began to agree and watch her videos.
more like breath of fresh air amonf the angry SJWs, contra is the only SJW i like
After watching "Moonlight" in 2016, I didn't think there would ever be an equally brilliant work of audiovisual media with mood lighting that incorporated Mozart's "Laudate Dominum" in its soundtrack.
Then I watched "The West," by ContraPoints.
“And she talks like a f*****.”
This made me laugh, harder than it should have.
Thank you so much for calling him Ibn Rushd and not Averroes. It means a lot to people like me, students of near eastern culture who are trying to eliminate orientalist attitudes within our field
I screamed NO when u dipped that corndog in ur tea
I held it together right up until the mustard went in. Then I wept.
That was just nasty lol
Glad I wasn't the only one made physically ill by that.
@nono meme www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/tldr-prousts-in-search-of-lost-time_us_559e8cb1e4b0967291558d31 Easy peasy!
Yeah, I'm not having corn dogs for a while...
The metamorphosis of Contrapoints (also you’re so beautiful, Natalie, I’m going to cry)
i need to see the wizard video, anyone got a link?
I can't watch this video past the part with the wizard dude yelling about Frozen without cringing away from the video
Every ContraPoints video is a thought-provoking masterpiece of theater, philosophy, and theology.
And let us not forget that the collective work is arguably the best, most entertaining, and most comprehensive anti-fascist, anti-racist, and therefore anti-establishment channel on RUclips and the web.
Thinking about JP watching and reacting to the bath scene gives me a spark of glee
I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have watched that far :(
I'm pretty sure, too. Still, the idea makes me happy :3
I'm a historian that studies Christian/Islamic interactions in the Middle Ages and your accurate, complex understanding of medieval thought took me to the height of bliss ♥ thank you for this
your not a historian because none of this was even accurate lmao
@@racistmatesonacid You're*
@@thomasbusker6270 and he is wrong too. The Islamic world helped to shape the western world by the power of their Brains and resources, anything that tries to contest this idea, is fractionally more wrong than wrong itself.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 obsessed with this reply! any notion that scientific knowledge stagnated in between the classical area and the enlightenment is neglecting the huge foundational strides that Islamic scholars made throughout the Middle Ages (and on which Italian and Latin scholars were dependent)
@@thomasbusker6270 correcting grammar doesn't make you right or smart.
"Thomas Aquinas, on of the greatest Catholic sorcerers..." thank you, I needed a long hard gut wrenching guffaw. I will never not be able to refer to saints as Catholic sorcerers from here on out.
well there is a grimoire ~allegedly~ written by him, so....
Now whenever I see butterflies I get a craving for corndogs.
Thanks, Contra.
So corndogs is what it's called. Thank you stranger.
Prager U advertising on your videos...
Talk about contrast.
Probably due to computer algorithm. The algorithm sees buzzwords like The West and then advertises related content which tends to use the same buzzwords.
The algorithms they use are supposed to be smarter than that... but you're probably right
contrastpoints
Just be sure to click on those ads so Prager's got to pay for it.
I like the idea of them wasting the money the Mercer family sends to fund someone who is intellectually superior to anyone anyone they can buy off
Natalie,
My friend has been sending me links to your videos for well over a year now, knowing I would appreciate them. I only started watching them in the last few days and I am so pleased I finally did (and somewhat frustrated with myself that it took me so long to take said friend's sage advice). You've an incredible way with words, and I love every second of it. Further, the sheer production value of your videos is outstanding.
Kate.
PS You're super cute, and not just intellectually & creatively.
welcome !!
Hell yeah
Still a classic. Best ContraPoints video IMO, hope she outdoes it someday. I love her history talk.
I haven't eaten corndogs for years and I now seriously crve for them! Seriously though, I have just discovered your channel and am now madly in love with it! You are seriously an inspiration!
"Dr. Clean-Your-Room............
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...."
LOVE IT.
Hatsuharu Me too but I think it was more of an "aaaaaaaa" like a quiet scream.
JESUS IS MIDDLE EASTERN
WHAT WESTERN BS ARE Y'ALL ON ABOUT
Tas he was a Jew. King of the Jews
@Ivan Ivanovich Ivanovosky Cesare
The body modern Turkey is a continuation of the Ottoman Empire. The ruling class of the Ottoman Empire were the people who are now living in Turkey. Also Roman Empire not anglo saxons
@@Willowtree82 the Roman Empire was extremely diverse, and generally speaking the largest, wealthiest populations centers where all in the "eastern" part which was predominately Hellenic or at least Hellenized i.e. Alexandria, Antioch, Palmyra, Thessalonika, Nicea, Damascus, the list goes on. Many of these cities were home to Arabs, Persians, Assyrians, Jews, Copts, Dalmites, and other groups across Africa and the Near East either as auxiliary troops, naturalized clients, or traveling tradesmen. Rome itself was the major center for the foreign cults of Isis, Mithra, and Cybele from Egypt, Iran, and Asia Minor respectively. One of the greatest Roman dynasties, the Serverans were of partial Arabic descent from Julia Domna, whose own last name is an old Arabic word for "black" and was born and raised in Syria.
@@Willowtree82 You are mistaken. Anglo Saxon and Gauls were people that fought the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire itself was mainly inhabited by Mediterranean, olive skinned peoples, such as south Europeans, north Africans and north middle Easterners.
Putting aside how intelligent her paper is, she made a very amusing age of empires joke... that is honestly the best thing to happen on youtube
14:14 Was the point when I paused the video and subscribed! I love that humour.
I really like the idea of Martin Luther being a SJW
For his time, he kinda was! I mean he was quite near decapitation.
Nowadays he'd def be a centrist you can't have that much compromise and God bothering and not be allures by Libs
I'm more of the Chapo Trap House opinion that he was an angry forum poster, living in perpetual antagonism against the mods.
As a Lutheran, I found that bit funny- and true.
He did make one of the most iconic call out posts of all time.
I find it interesting that it's a lot of Americans who try to push 'European values'. It shows how little they know about Europe to think it's homogeneous.
@Doven Ro Galus
Even that's a bit of a stretch. Depending on where you are you might either have cultural differences between federal states/provinces or even have quite varying culture and dialects every few kilometers.
In Britain for instance you might as well went to another country entirely because of how heavily the accents and dialects shift from town to town. Then there is quite a bunch of European minorities living in the various countries without having one of their own like the Swabes and the Sorbs in Germany, the Scots, the Bascs in Spain or the Sami in Northern Europe.
Europe is pretty damn varied with the only thing people really have in common being the skin tone. Same as Africa basicly but much paler.
But since Americans are traditionally superficial they only conclusion they ever draw is: white = west and that's it.
It's so funny as a European when you see Americans talk about how culturally diverse the US is. Like, omg, California is like, totally diffs from Texas! Lmao, okay honey.
Hugh Gallagher
It's not just Americans. You have any idea how hot white nationalism is in Europe right now? Europeans are just as susceptible to this propaganda as Americans. If not more.
America is not homegeneous either, Texas really is different from places like Oregon, New York etc. but America comes across as homogeneous to Europeans, because Europe is way more diverse in comparison. I think the biggest barrier is the language, the fact that in Europe we speak different languages in every country you go to changes a lot. Language shapes the way you think and see the world, and it is rooted so deeply in each country's history, circumstances and individual culture. Not to mention, European nations for most of their history were in constant war with one another - if the US had been born after thousands of years of endless wars between states - there probably wouldn't be one united "America" as we know it. We'd see a sharper divide. But the US is a young country, and the states haven't been alive long enough to develop a completely unique culture that is completely separate from America's founding.
Я люблю Вас! Вы просто прекрасны! И всё, что вы говорите, прекрасно и удивительно интересно! Огромное спасибо за Ваш труд! (а ещё это видео очень помогло мне в написании курсовой работы С: ).
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I just love your videos! You make me laugh with your unique style of explaining things. The corn dogs were hilarious. I hope you didn't get indigestion for eating so many of them. Awesome, simply awesome!
This is why my Patreon dollars make me feel like a true patron of the arts.
Farts
Hey, the NEA would put this right between the Madonna made with elephant poop, and The Keith Haring retrospective....
Imagine being an adult man in a mask yelling at children talking about a Disney movie
Sadly, it's not a mask. Oh, he wears makeup and contacts, but...he does look just like TJ Kirk with shorter hair.
I mean you are literally watching a video where an adult woman is half naked dressed as a butterfly fairy talking about corn dogs, dicks and the west
@@Sidecutt3 shes just having fun though, there's a huge difference.
@@Sidecutt3 yup, awesome right? and with a lot more content than 'what u see in a Disney movie is what u get'
My point is, I would rather criticize someone for their harmful values, bad arguments or harmful actions, not on their appearance, age or mannerism.
1:40 This ~20 second monologue deserves its own stand-up performance. In a big, full, theatre.
My life consists of Jenna Marbles, Contrapoints, and women in music. Escapism at its finest.
I think that a better name for The West is McEurope.
spice hammer god tier comment
let's just kill ourselves instead
mceurope with a side of golden fries boi
I kind of think of the west as the name for the europe cinematic universe
Funny thing is I'm Greek and not even remotely considered western by the north European western chauvinists. I'm not even considered white by most northerners. It was quite a shock when I moved north and realized that, cause we consider ourselves white in Greece. Don't exactly know how to feel about this.
OK. The amount of thought that goes into your videos is actually just beyond almost anything we usually see on RUclips. It's aesthetically gorgeous, logically comprehensive, and also so engaging/entertaining. I can tell you're a perfectionist and multi-talented, and the results are amazing. Also, I'm sure this is because you come from an academic background, but I love how you do such great research and present like you're speaking to an academic audience and don't use any manipulative tactics to make your points. We need this on political RUclips lol. Not to sound cheesy and maybe I'm just a little tipsy coming back from happy hour lol, but you really inspire me.
4:06 the single Dan Olson comment calling JP "Daddy"
Despite how disgusting it is to dip a corn dog in tea I kinda want some now
"St. Thomas Aquinas, one of the most powerful Catholic sorcerers" is SENDING me the inner nuns leftover from my Catholic childhood are ROILING
Woah when she flashes all those images of Western culture in the intro, I swear one was brokeback mountain
That is Western culture
yeehaw
Old Western culture
RAAAMMMMM RAANNNCCCHHHH
Just the work in the videos deserve so much more praise good work :)
The fact that it's not easy to define Western civilization doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It's blurry and selfcontradictory but clearly existing.