@@goldfools5445 they can't, the movements need to be used in watches from the brand that purchases them. And it's 10,000 units which mark equated to roughly $500K-$700k investment on the manufacturer.
yeah, it's a very popular movement. This way it might get slightly more expensive, but as of now, you can order one of these for about 100€ which is insane for a well finished mechanical chrono movement.
@@EscapeWheel I can see Red Star/Suggess/Seagull (no hyphen) and the like being able to justify that sort of capital expenditure. Others, no, but those companies make enough 1963 variants to be able to. Plus, it may be that Sea-gull have a different agreement for Chinese customers than international ones.
I ordered that watch a year ago. First week the stop watch function broke. It still kept good time. Three weeks ago the crown fell off. I enjoyed the watch and may have got my moneys worth...
The movement isnt the issue the issue is about 55-60% of people have the chronograph running 24/7 which is bad for the a chronograph style watch no matter how expensive it is Christ I’ve seen this issue cause Daytonas and speedmasters have a stopwatch failure, and the crown is a big flaw because it is actually fairly fragile, I have a chronograph that’s powered by this exact seagull movement and I’ve had it 2 years with no issues or failures (admittedly it isn’t the watch shown here) but the seagull movement here is known widely as one of the most reliable and accurate mechanical chronograph movements of its price range
The only Seagull movement powered watches I'm looking into are Sugess Air Command and Timex Marlin. For Sugess is actually a brand owned by Seagull, and Timex sells watches maybe thousands a year, I'd say this won't go anywhere soon for me. Btw, the Chinese words on the watch's back reads: The replica of the very first chronograph wristwatch of China Air Force.
I think about buying a 1963 about every two or three weeks. I know every collector should have one…. I’m sure I’ll pull the trigger one day. Thanks for the great review!
I believe should is a strong word in this regard. It’s a great watch for the price but, the history and heritage of the watch may not register for very many people on a personal level. With this thought process, everyone should own a Cartier Santos. It is the first pilots watch.
@@Not-a-bot222 Definirely understand your stance. You’re right. Everyone appreciates things differently or maybe even not at all. I haven’t been collecting very long and I’ve heard multiple watch reviewers say everyone “should” have a 1963 in their collection.
@@adk7962 100%. Very similar to “every enthusiast must own a speedmaster”. Just go you own way and buy what makes you happy! That’s all that matters in this hobby :)
Listen if you hear a reviewer saying every colector should have something, stop watching that reviewer! The sooner you understand that the happier you'll be. @@adk7962
The ST19 is NOT going away at all! With that new 10000 minimum purchase policy, Sea-Gull is taking more control over the market, and is ensuring larger quantity production from more capable shops. This also allows for larger economy production with better quality control.
I bought a 38mm, sapphire Red Star 1963 for $69.97 USD, but it came DOA. I replaced it with a 38mm, sapphire, gooseneck 1963, with the somewhat obscure "Das-Tianlei" brand. The Red Star had a nicer, faux carbon fiber case, but the Das-Tianlei had a gooseneck for about $9 extra. I have over $500 in AliExpress coins from playing all the daily games, so a sale that leverages those coins is amazing. I was on the fence when these watches were costing $150 to $200, but at $70 to $80 on a major sale, they seem like an incredible bargain. Restricting sales of the ST19 will force prices up, which is a shame. I was considering one of the ST1901-powered Top Time Deus homages for a later purchase, and other ST1901 models will likely disappear.
I own one because I am into collecting retro watches, but don't use it because it's a crappy movement. When I want a reliable chronograph below $1000, I buy meca quartz.
had this watch but the lugs are so long and the spring bar is right at the end so any strap you put on it apart from a nato leaves a huge gap between the strap and the dial and it bugged me enough to sell the watch on in the end.
I think a distributor will place a big order to Sea-Gull. The litle guys will have to pay more to the distributor for the movement. I could not find the sapphire version on the website anymore, I suspect the dome is not as dramatic as the acryllic one.
@@samwang5831 correct, the dome is pretty subtle and it has a fatter/taller bezel. As for the movement, the new rules state the movements must be used in watches of the brand that purchases them, so reselling is against the rules.
I guess you could try replacing the movement. I recommend watching the DIY Watch RUclips channel on how to install movements and hands, it's not that hard and I've done that to some of my watches. The great thing about these movements is that it's easier and cheaper to just replace the whole thing than service it lol
Interestingly, Sea-gull have no released an "International" version of the "real" 1963 watch which sells for about half the price of their older model. I'm sure the timing is no coincidence!!
Sea-Gull is essentially forcing you to either buy THEIR versions of the 1963 or at the least be well compensated for selling the movement to a competitor. It's a beautiful watch but it's a museum piece IMHO, the high failure rate of the movement isn't worth the price a micro brand would have to charge to use it. I passed on buying one years ago, won't be forced into buying one now.
@@thebricktop429 I think that 10% number is grossly overestimated...but of the time comes that this breaks and I can't fix it, I'll suspend it in acrylic and use it as a paper weight 👍
I have had 6 st1901 with a 50% issue rate, 2 being total failure. Sold them all on (stating the issue in advert) or returned them. Just my personal experience.
@@fouzanharoon9200 I e never had an issue...some people say 10% failure rate, but I don't think there's any statistics to back that up. That seems very high. With daily use...maybe 5-10 years ....sparingly in a collection, many more.
Just can't buy one of these watches with the red star even though it is a cool design. It makes me think about the "Great Leap Forward", the "Cultural Revolution" etc. Retro 20th century evil on an incredible scale.
I do want it for the movement, but walking around wearing an advertisement for the CCP is just a bit much. I think Sugess makes basically the exact watch but without the commie styling.
The notoriously bad failure rate has always kept me away from trying one of these movements. I'm sure the estimate is likely overblown, but nothing accidently gets that kind of notoriety. Never been a big fan of that watch either. I'm on the younger side and far from nationalistic, but that design always screamed "commie scum" to me lmao
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I don’t think this movement is going anywhere. If there is demand for it, a company will buy the 1000 needed and onsell them.
@@goldfools5445 they can't, the movements need to be used in watches from the brand that purchases them. And it's 10,000 units which mark equated to roughly $500K-$700k investment on the manufacturer.
yeah, it's a very popular movement. This way it might get slightly more expensive, but as of now, you can order one of these for about 100€ which is insane for a well finished mechanical chrono movement.
@@EscapeWheel okay, that's a very different deal then:/ kinda feel like it's a lose-lose if they truly enforce that
Videos and pictures online do not do justice to the 1963.
@@EscapeWheel I can see Red Star/Suggess/Seagull (no hyphen) and the like being able to justify that sort of capital expenditure. Others, no, but those companies make enough 1963 variants to be able to. Plus, it may be that Sea-gull have a different agreement for Chinese customers than international ones.
Just love this watch. Vintage looks, great history, and an amazing movement for the price. I wear mine with a brown Louisiana Alligator strap.
It is very nice to see the watch from the third person view in the intro. Nice addition to the videos!
I ordered that watch a year ago. First week the stop watch function broke. It still kept good time. Three weeks ago the crown fell off. I enjoyed the watch and may have got my moneys worth...
that movement has an awful rate of malfunucion.
Yeah, this is exactly why I don’t have a seagull 1963
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The movement isnt the issue the issue is about 55-60% of people have the chronograph running 24/7 which is bad for the a chronograph style watch no matter how expensive it is Christ I’ve seen this issue cause Daytonas and speedmasters have a stopwatch failure, and the crown is a big flaw because it is actually fairly fragile, I have a chronograph that’s powered by this exact seagull movement and I’ve had it 2 years with no issues or failures (admittedly it isn’t the watch shown here) but the seagull movement here is known widely as one of the most reliable and accurate mechanical chronograph movements of its price range
@@dariuswackydawgblake3380 bro its the only mechanical chronograph at its price range wtf u mean lmao
The only Seagull movement powered watches I'm looking into are Sugess Air Command and Timex Marlin. For Sugess is actually a brand owned by Seagull, and Timex sells watches maybe thousands a year, I'd say this won't go anywhere soon for me.
Btw, the Chinese words on the watch's back reads: The replica of the very first chronograph wristwatch of China Air Force.
I think about buying a 1963 about every two or three weeks. I know every collector should have one…. I’m sure I’ll pull the trigger one day. Thanks for the great review!
I believe should is a strong word in this regard. It’s a great watch for the price but, the history and heritage of the watch may not register for very many people on a personal level. With this thought process, everyone should own a Cartier Santos. It is the first pilots watch.
@@Not-a-bot222 Definirely understand your stance. You’re right. Everyone appreciates things differently or maybe even not at all. I haven’t been collecting very long and I’ve heard multiple watch reviewers say everyone “should” have a 1963 in their collection.
@@adk7962 100%. Very similar to “every enthusiast must own a speedmaster”. Just go you own way and buy what makes you happy! That’s all that matters in this hobby :)
Listen if you hear a reviewer saying every colector should have something, stop watching that reviewer! The sooner you understand that the happier you'll be. @@adk7962
These things are a lottery, some go on forever and some break with little use like mine did. Never again.
The ST19 is NOT going away at all!
With that new 10000 minimum purchase policy, Sea-Gull is taking more control over the market, and is ensuring larger quantity production from more capable shops. This also allows for larger economy production with better quality control.
I bought a 38mm, sapphire Red Star 1963 for $69.97 USD, but it came DOA. I replaced it with a 38mm, sapphire, gooseneck 1963, with the somewhat obscure "Das-Tianlei" brand. The Red Star had a nicer, faux carbon fiber case, but the Das-Tianlei had a gooseneck for about $9 extra. I have over $500 in AliExpress coins from playing all the daily games, so a sale that leverages those coins is amazing. I was on the fence when these watches were costing $150 to $200, but at $70 to $80 on a major sale, they seem like an incredible bargain.
Restricting sales of the ST19 will force prices up, which is a shame. I was considering one of the ST1901-powered Top Time Deus homages for a later purchase, and other ST1901 models will likely disappear.
The art of the take away!
The bird is a cardinal and you are likely close to its nest which is why its a bit perturbed....lol
The cardinal is a nice addition to the vid.
@@ssnerd583 haha, thanks. Plenty of cardinals around so that's probably true. I never mind the birds, but this one was especially loud.
The chirping, over my surround sound, had my cat looking all over the place like wtf? 😅
Lol I actually had to mute the video temporarily because she was freaking out
I have a Mukimao red star 38mm 1963 that runs great
I own one because I am into collecting retro watches, but don't use it because it's a crappy movement. When I want a reliable chronograph below $1000, I buy meca quartz.
had this watch but the lugs are so long and the spring bar is right at the end so any strap you put on it apart from a nato leaves a huge gap between the strap and the dial and it bugged me enough to sell the watch on in the end.
I’ve got the bronze so called limited edition version but to be honest I think this looks better than mine.
Have mine on a light blue suede strap.
A great looking chinese watch with a history
I think a distributor will place a big order to Sea-Gull. The litle guys will have to pay more to the distributor for the movement. I could not find the sapphire version on the website anymore, I suspect the dome is not as dramatic as the acryllic one.
@@samwang5831 correct, the dome is pretty subtle and it has a fatter/taller bezel.
As for the movement, the new rules state the movements must be used in watches of the brand that purchases them, so reselling is against the rules.
Should I get my old broken one fixed or buy another one? Last time I checked fixing my broken one was almost the same as buying a new one
I guess you could try replacing the movement. I recommend watching the DIY Watch RUclips channel on how to install movements and hands, it's not that hard and I've done that to some of my watches. The great thing about these movements is that it's easier and cheaper to just replace the whole thing than service it lol
I already have the original 1963 and the panda dial version.
Interestingly, Sea-gull have no released an "International" version of the "real" 1963 watch which sells for about half the price of their older model. I'm sure the timing is no coincidence!!
So 'Speedy' with reviews, Steve!
Sea-Gull is essentially forcing you to either buy THEIR versions of the 1963 or at the least be well compensated for selling the movement to a competitor. It's a beautiful watch but it's a museum piece IMHO, the high failure rate of the movement isn't worth the price a micro brand would have to charge to use it. I passed on buying one years ago, won't be forced into buying one now.
I always wanted a vintage vibe watch! Too bad the link attached doesn't work. Will visit soon if u do an update with the link.
Stunning watch!
Ah, so that's why Studio Underdog decided to move upmarket
Well worth owning
well that means you get a movement with 10% failure rate and no way to replace it
so a museum piece basically?
@@thebricktop429 I believe seagull themselves will sell individual movements but it will be retail prices, not wholesale
@@thebricktop429 I think that 10% number is grossly overestimated...but of the time comes that this breaks and I can't fix it, I'll suspend it in acrylic and use it as a paper weight 👍
I have had 6 st1901 with a 50% issue rate, 2 being total failure. Sold them all on (stating the issue in advert) or returned them. Just my personal experience.
@@markdrummond7 yup, Nd I've had no issues with the 8 or so I e had. 🤷. It's a total crap shoot
Hey is this movement reliable and how long can it run without the need of servicing ?
@@fouzanharoon9200 I e never had an issue...some people say 10% failure rate, but I don't think there's any statistics to back that up. That seems very high. With daily use...maybe 5-10 years ....sparingly in a collection, many more.
Cool watch but won’t but one.
Does dat hab a bubble but crystale ? Tanks .
@@user-vi4rv2zh4q yes?
The case back Chinese characters mean The first China Air Force Chronograph Reissue version
Just can't buy one of these watches with the red star even though it is a cool design. It makes me think about the "Great Leap Forward", the "Cultural Revolution" etc. Retro 20th century evil on an incredible scale.
Do you have a link or a source to this announcement?
@@salve8496 ruclips.net/video/W9L0PnU6u1Q/видео.htmlsi=1RuK0RnwQVJSrx-d
It's also linked in the video.
The Chinese words mean: 'Made in China'.
Yours claims to have 19 jewels, mine claims to have 21, both have the same movement 🤔
No thanks!!😲😳🙄
I do want it for the movement, but walking around wearing an advertisement for the CCP is just a bit much. I think Sugess makes basically the exact watch but without the commie styling.
Commie watch?
The notoriously bad failure rate has always kept me away from trying one of these movements. I'm sure the estimate is likely overblown, but nothing accidently gets that kind of notoriety. Never been a big fan of that watch either. I'm on the younger side and far from nationalistic, but that design always screamed "commie scum" to me lmao
Meh 🎲
nice looking garbage
You big meanie poopie face! Take that back!