New DoorDash Pay Model: Is Full Transparency Coming?
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The only thing I really hate about taking a order which far, is that driving all the way back to the zone I started in to get orders again.
Just log off and log back on in a different zone
@@DannyPlastino you cant do that, they're usually sending you to an area that doesn't have DD to begin with.
@@damienmorrow912 I do it all the time. If I end up going out of my zone, I hit end dash, then if it’s red where I’m at, I just log back on and pick back up again.
@@DannyPlastino Yeah but it’s not always red and you can’t see if it’s red or not until you end your current dash.
Or when it is peak pay
I need to move where these good tippers are. In my town, people think they are generous if they tip $4.
and our base pay here is $2.25
Same here
San Diego county rocks
Base $4.50 here I think plus all the benefits from prop 22
You get 4$ tips like that...
I will say I appreciate your positive attitude in helping us circumvent Doordash's ever-changing dishonest manipulation.
I've been noticing this for a while. I'd rather complete 1 $20 longer delivery than 3 $7 short ones. But that's just me.
Completely agree I use the same strategy
Me too!
Me too less headache dealing with multiple stops , lines , order not ready etc..
One chance of having an issue is better than three chances.
I rarely get 20 dollar orders but I get ur point
I really appreciate you Bentley! I’ve been working DD for 4 years now, I binged watched all your videos when I started for the first year! And even after that I still check your videos for tips I’ve not figured out. I also Thank You for the walk through on the PPP! I was able to get $9,000 and this allowed me to move back home to Alabama from Illinois! I was kind of stuck lol. I appreciate all you do! ❤️
Shared my friend!!!! You have literally been my "Door Dash University " as I started this month! Love your straightforward, no nonsense awesome content! Keep it up! Have a great PROSPEROUS New Year!
I started 2 weeks ago and everyday I’m gradually improving with Bentley with his Tips this guys is good
im glad someone is finally bringing this to light, ive been noticing this and have been getting frustrated.
I never get hidden tips. Seems like everyone in my area are cheap. Most of the orders I get are either no tip or less then $5 tip
I’m north of Detroit, north of the border in a small market, I’ve never encountered hidden tips (1069 deliveries). But I’ve been asked to pickup orders from Home Depot once in a while. Which I refused because I drive a Mini Cooper ( what’s the order? a 8 foot 2x4 or a box of nails?) I’ve been offered two orders from a craft store and once from Walmart. I’ve refused because I don’t know what it is. I excepted a $20 dollar from petco which was actually 5 orders for $4 a piece I did a lot cursing and won’t except anything but restaurant delivers. The petco delivery had two small bails of hay for rabbits. A bag of live crickets and expensive cat and dog food, it took most of my car space. I love the idea of doordash expanding but I want to know what I’m getting into before I accept a order.
I’m in Warren / Sterling Heights area I’ve NEVEEEER seen any hidden fees and where is he dashing at getting 10 -15 dollars it ain’t Michigan if I accept anything for 12+ I already know it’s 2 orders for about 9-10 miles that’s norm ijs..
@@IamroderickHerron I'm in a small town in MI and I get orders that high from Wings, Etc, Papa Johns, Little Ceasars, and sometimes Taco Bell. They are the large orders that require the catering bag. Also, sometimes my Walgreens orders are that high. Depends if you have Top Dasher rewards. The more reliable you are, the more orders you are offered.
@@peaceofpiety that sounds right I only do it part time to knock the smaller bills etc.. but I do consider giving more time & ease way to a full time but I work a full time job & DD on the weekends ( my days off ) I shoot for 200-250 aday
I think there should be a disclaimer for orders with anything that is alive.
Also, there should also be an alert when an order is presented to a dasher when the delivery contains an item weighing 25 pounds or more. I had a 38 pound dog food bag I had to deliver. I’m a small female with a bad back and a bad shoulder, and the bag was on the bottom shelf, plus I had to carry it up the walkway which was probably 20 stairs. I was hurting the next day. I’ve seen other dashers out that…there is just no way they could physically carry this bag. Most places only require you to be able to carry up to 25lbs. “Oversized item” would have been a nice warning so I could have set up my car better to get the bag in and out.
@@peaceofpiety no, if i had top dasher i would make an average of $10 per hour
I have collected actual data about the offers and other factors as I do my deliveries during the day. You are right about some of what you are talking about. You are right about the 6.25 order in some markets but you may not realize why you're right. In other markets the minimum is 6.50 or 6.75.
You're also wrong about the orders with larger amounts on it going longer distances. Hidden tips are still on these.
In my market/area, DD pays between $2.25 and $2.75, depending on distance, but never over that
Yup.....about the larger orders having hidden tips on them too.
I tried this yesterday and can confirm hidden tips were on each order that met the requirements, multiple items, mileage under 7 miles, over 6.00. you need to pickup up from premium places though. Waiting on the other video though 🤠
I noticed this when I started driving for DD in 2020. I rarely see any hidden tips. Customer tips for DD are very low in my area which is the largest county in my state and the last few months I can't even work unless I schedule a time! The whole reason I started driving for DD is because I could drive when I was able to. I am a single parent of a special needs son and am not able to work at scheduled times. So I have to find another company that lets me work whenever I can and I don't have to be in a certain area to get deliveries either with this other company. Much less stress and better pay doing the same job!
Why would we want to drive that far out of our zone only to have to pay our way back unless it’s leading you to another busy zone they need to do away with the zoning
Facts this happened to me on a order last night I made $26 off a dollar $8 order
Bentley, I know you’ve been dashing since the class action suit was heard against the old pay model in 2019 and I clicked on this in faith you wouldn’t dare clickbait something like this.
I’m adding an edit to say I appreciate your integrity - this video is gold. Thanks, Bentley!
I started Dashing about a year and half ago, and I discovered you! Thank You Bentley! In my first months you helped me discover how Dashing works to my advantage. I now know all! I've sorta worked out the hidden tips issue. I judge items, restaurants, milage, ETC. When I gamble on an order I rarely lose. When I do ... it's OK ... I took the gamble!
A Great Video Tutorial! Thank You!
Thanks for the heads up brother, everything you shown today I already began seeing when I was dashing in NJ yesterday. (I live in Yonkers NY). I was waiting for the game of hidden tips to become less predictable, considering quality of restaurant, item count, mileage and customer neighborhood.
Been running into this so I decided a while back if the amount shown isn't worth the drive I won't take it. At least if its a short drive near or within a busy area you don't lose much but a long one, miles from a busy area, costs more time and money.
Hey there Bentley, it was your videos that turned me into a great dasher, before then, I thought about quiting altogether. Thanks for this one, and thank you for the help. Before your videos, dashing was hopeless. God bless and dash on.
You should quit there’s better jobs if you look for them
@@andrewum4660 ??? thanks for nothing
Yo I dead ass appreciate you ! With that being said, I Dash in Vegas and they’re still hiding our tips. I believe that they’re trying to see how things go in different Markets to see if they’ll implement them all over. I really appreciate you giving all us your golden advice/Knowledge that was hard worked for. I just want to let others know that he maybe 1000% right where he’s at but it may not apply for all of us. Let’s get this money out here In 2022 , I wish us all the best. Let’s Go !!!!
@Stanley Gallus I like Spring Valley Zone … with that Being said , Green Valley tips are better and your hourly pay could be higher. I just don’t like how long I wait in between orders. Don’t get me wrong you work less and drive less so it’s better for your take home but I lose the drive to stay out and get that money when I’m doing 2 orders an hr sometimes 1 . I like to stay busy and be able to pick and choose what orders I’m going to fill so for me Spring Valley. How about you what zone do you feel is best.
@Stanley Gallus I should’ve mentioned I haven’t done every zone out here and my server is horrible up in the northeast side so I stay away from that area due to only service issues. I haven’t done southwest , northwest or old Vegas . So I’m curious to know what you think of them . I stay away from the strip at all times
You make some of the best content about Door Dash on RUclips. People might be mad if your getting paid but this information is worth $$$. Knowledge is power.
His content should be great he works for DD lol hint hint you see his DD shirt 👕 he has on in the video but FRFR his videos be very informative
@@NickDelay1 huh 🤔 how ?? I agreed with you but ok lol
@@IamroderickHerron my bad
@@NickDelay1 you good 👍🏽😅
I only take orders over $6 that I’d be happy with if it doesn’t end up being a hidden tip. Anything under $6 has a 0% chance of being a hidden tip.
No anything under 6.50 doesn't have a higher payout
This has been my new motto since last month and I am not going over 10 miles
@@greglitrell7097 If its a double order its $6 Because remember six dollars in a double order was really 6.50, so when you get the orders, and you check the amounts ,and they’re six dollars ,those are most likely hidden tips that is usually what I get.
Thanks. I don't deliver very much with DD but just recently started to again. So this is very helpful to know as the worst order is taking a long distance one only to have the pay the same unless it's just a good miles to money one as offered. But some of your hidden tip orders were outstanding. I never have got any like that lol. Looking forward to your hidden tip video.
Time is money and I'm not betting on hidden tips on long dashes. I will accept a smaller order for a faster turnaround time 100% of the time. Also fuck stacked orders. That's how they trick you into accepting a no tip order.
Yup! I've been noticing this too!!! Had a couple today! Great job! Waiting for part 2!!!!!
In my area these long deliveries are generally a one and done, then I have to drive 7 to 10 miles back to get an order. With the cost of everything I shoot for a minimum of $1 a mile which is low. So if these long hauls don't show a minimum of $2 a mile its a no go.
Feeling boosted! I've been noticing the exact same
Watch out for some places that have a ton of items! Places like Taco Bell will include sauce packets and little things like that, which makes the order seem way bigger than it is. Also I’ve noticed my orders were way bigger as well and that the longer orders are bigger upfront but I was given top dasher this month too for the first time In a while so I’m not too sure if the pay model really changed for me.
That’s why you should never take fast food unless it’s catering
Top dasher means absolutely nothing unfortunately
I particularly hate those party packs at Taco Bell....I've done like 2 of them, never again. Too much going on with those orders...smh.
I found out that with taco Webull and McDonald’s today unfortunately it wasn’t worth the ride but now iknow how it is done and be ready for it
I studied your beginner videos and with your advice, pulled off a few small miracles in my first 2 months. Dashing is the Financial Duct Tape of my "Oh No!" Money Moments. Thank you!
Dude u beeee the dashman for real u are on it 100% much respect and love that u are a smart hustler !!!! Letssss f goooooo !!!
Bently, thanks so much for this... I accepted an order that was huge. It took my catering bag plus extra bags extra and I saw the total of the order itself which was $330. I took the order thinking oh great this will have a good tip on it.. The tip was $5. I'm not greedy and I'm thankful for the tips I do get but this one threw me for a loop. It was also 10 miles so your information makes sense and I will keep a better eye on the distance.
That's rough can't believe they tipped so cheap
330 dollars for one order? Wow. I wouldn't even complain with the tip!
@@austintheson4823 the tip was $5. the $330 was the amount of the customer food total not his pay lol.
I've had a few of these with less than $5 too. It happens unfortunately. I decided a while back I won't take the far orders unless what it shows is enough. Its good they are doing this, less likely for us to waste out time.
@@austintheson4823 for 330 KEEP THE TIP 🤣🤣
I like your no-fluffy-stuff style of presenting these ideas man. Great channel.
I never saw a hidden tip on any order when the dollars amount isn't at least 1.5× the miles. Otherwise I agree that now they tend to hide less of the tip and show better dollars to miles ratios. Also it's almost impossible to predict a hidden tip until you see what's in the order. My rule is to never accept an order based on the hope for a hidden tip.
Agreed.... I take it for what it is...u can't see the items before u accept the order.
Wonderful info! I’m going to try it tomorrow. Thank you for all you do!
This year in my market, there were many orders with high item amounts with no extra pay. Thought it was a glitch until it kept happening over and over. Since then I’m always calling Doordash to get the total before the drive and yes I take a completion hit but I only do it 1 time a week.
Definitely right on target regarding the upside down orders. I always have to laugh as I decline those. It makes me smile better when the good ones pop up next.
Yes!!!! Thank you
Thanks for keeping us posted with these tips as always brotha and congrats on reaching 100K subs!
My market has so many different types of hidden tips that it's impossible to figure out what orders have them.. Today I did a 12 hour shift (9am to 9pm) and drove 218 miles for $407 on 36 total deliveries.. That's an average of $11.31 on 6.1 miles per order or $33.91 an hour for the day.
"High number of items might mean more tips"
*a customer who orders 20 mild sauce packets has entered the chat*
So had doordash already started to do this it's wonderful knowing I'll be able to see what's going on before I pick it up.
N Dallas, TX DD is aggravating. App is glitchy. If tip is not already included, it rarely gets added. DD makes it harder to add tip. My cust rating is very high. UEats seems to work better.
This is to the most helpful video I think you've ever posted. I used these insights tonight and had my best night ever. Thanks my G!
This has been working all day since I watched the video. I already suspected this but I didnt want to test it out myself. Thank you like always
Just started a week ago here in Canada and everything is transparent for me i see the total amount base + promos + tips and complete total =)
WOW! Thanks for the big heads up! I totally noticed the far deliveries are mostly higher than the local (less than 4-5 miles) when I'd get a high paying one, I'd always asked myself, where the hell am I going this time? LOL I'm in Atlanta...I may start in freakin' Brookhaven but end up in damn Stone Mountain somewhere! 😂😭
he's lying
~* I always hit the like hahah...love your channel... been dashing 2 yrs.. do good...after covid last year lost muh job.. went dashing full time and I actually like being muh own boss and make my own money and not having to get B'ched at for being late hehe....thanks for all your tips .. appreciate you !*~
I took one upside down order one time and it was well worth it because it was a merchant order. $150+ payout. But that’s an exception to the rule.
I hate when I get a order from far away and you know there is a closer restaurant. What's up with that?
In Canada they always show the whole payout but sometimes we still see the “total might be higher” note.
Still going to watch and like just to see what you guys have to deal with.
i dash in memphis . they dont care about item count , mileage , or tipping 🤣😭 i dont think ill ever see an order over $10 💀
Thank you, and actually I have been using your tips… and I feel whole lot better taking offers as I see them… note always hoping.. Thank you.
You'll know if it pays extra depending on the type of restaurant. Some of the type you show are hitters because of the type of food they sale
Super helpful Thanks!!
1st of all, thanks for this info! 2nd, damn people tip well in Charlotte! My highest tips are about $10 in Chicago
Because Charlotte is expensive.
@@FenderStrat1975 chicago is too
Chicago is expensive as a mf and try hitting downtown restaurants if you haven't already
Thank you for taking the time to help other Dashers. I am brand new to the game and only Dashed twice.
Not sure if anyone or if you have covered this in your other videos, but I have installed a mileage app to help with taxes. It records mileage so I can claim those miles and not have to pay more taxes at the end of the year. Hope this helps someone out there!!
Not here in Saint Louis.
It's funny you mentioned about hidden tips. The other day my wife was declining orders that didn't make sense to her, then decided to pause her Dash, so that her acceptance rate would not drop severely and to also to drive to another area. On her way to another area, DD sent her a large order (while she was on pause) containing 16 items and was supposed to drive 2 miles to the customer. The base pay was $3. After she delivered those items there was no hidden tip. 🙄 My wife was insulted to the point that she called DD Support to complain. The representative told her that the pay was based on mileage. 🙄
How she get an order on pause ?
Had a 14 item 11 mile order say 18.75 to be a 35 dollar order. It was sick. What u say is def lines up what i experienced.
Thank you Bentley!!
thank you for this 🙌🏼🙏🏼
DD shouldn’t be able to hide tips, miles, and area you will be delivering to. As independent contractors we should be provided that info before accepting. What other industry does independent contractors not know all the information needed before you accepting a job? Full transparency is needed
@bently I want to see every restaurant dd services on my map in real-time, so when I take a long-distance order that is out of my normal area or somewhere that has little to no stores to get other orders from i know how to plan accordingly. I am not going to keep checking the consumer side with no real location indication. a simple red dot over the store's address would be sufficient and may work better than only the 5 hot spots in my area of phoenix that half the time are dead anyways.
NO~... They are doing everything they can do to NOT add base pay. They are using the tip to make longer trips appear worth our time. This is not so much about showing full pay but still more about saving DD money.
Organizing as a unit and approaching them as such might get you some extra money. Drivers ask for transparency…DoorDash wants longer orders delivered. Let’s meet in the middle and see how it works. It’s called compromise
Exactly!
Two orders today one was 6.25 thought for sure a tip on there but nope 6.25 base pay no tip
Ive haf a 5.25 base pay grocery order for a old bag.
It was 2 bags of stuff
Man this dude gets crazy tips lol.. never seen a $30 tip in my area :(
At times the longer orders takes you out your zone now you have to waste time to get back to your sweet spot
Thanks bentely
Stop defending that company man stand up for yourself as a person
😴 stop repeating things you hear others say and think for yourself.
Call you out and you get mad smh control your emotions
Great video! Location is key tho!
Makes sense, I usually do shop a deliver orders since they have full pay and have decent milage as well. My market is filled with shop and deliver so it’s good for me, but now that holiday season is over I attempted to deliver hot food and I did this and I made 140 in 3 hours. You gotta take the random pay random milage orders and those usually come with tips. Like you said those 4 mile 6.50 dollar orders usually pay out to 9-12 dollars. Good vid !
That last the ng you said...BINGO. That's how I roll...if I don't like it when I first see the pay I'll decline. And as like everyone else...I too have noticed the long hauls ..what you see in pay in what you get.
Spoiler Alert…….. No. They don’t care about drivers. (Or customers)
Please make a video on how bad support is. For example: I had a cvs order for about $11.50 as soon as I got there I hit arrived at store and clicked on begin shopping, then the entire order disappeared. I contact support and they always say we value you as a dasher 🤮(bs) then say the order was canceled and I can not be compensated for it. So I lose out every which way, loss of tip, loss of mileage, loss of gas, and loss of time. Also why can’t we get a support person we can understand, all these people I get on the phone sound like the people at my nearest Chinese restaurant. DoorDash doesn’t care about you they only care about deliveries being delivered. Try this, pick up an order, but make sure it’s an expensive order, call support and fake to them that you ALMOST got into an accident and that the food went all over the car. Free food for you, customer gets refunded, and door dash takes the hit.
Here in Puerto Rico Doordash does not put where the order is being delivered
The theory of high mileage trips showing the entire total before you deliver is not true at all in my area.
I've just had three orders this week all over 10 miles that had noticeable hidden money on each order.
And if you are in the catering program the order comes through just looking like a regular order with a large item count and is not listed as catering and they do not even ask you if you have a catering bag until after you accept the order.
All three of the orders I mentioned from this past week were between 10 and 15 miles and 15 and $20 when I accepted them.
The lowest additional money I got on any one of the three orders was $5.60 and the other two orders had eight and $9 extra respectively that were not listed with the initial offer so even over 10 miles this theory is not true in my market.
This has been a thing for a while. More of the “hidden tip” is shown in the preview amount as the mileage increases. By the time it hits 7 miles, you’ll see full subtotal before acceptance
Wait really!?!?!? I didn’t know that
This is not true because I've had three orders this past week they were all over 10 miles and not one of them showed the total payout before acceptance
Blessings on blessings my guy
I'm at 2000 orders and have only had one or two big hidden tips. southeast texas
Bentley really going full "RUclipsr" in 2022 😄 Thanks for everything Bentley!
You Have to look at the miles to Dollar. 6 dollars for 3 miles is acceptable in my view. Especially if you stay in your delivery area. Just MY Opinion.
Same here.
I dont take any orders under $9..aswell as the payout needs to be more than the miles driven. Also for shopping orders,I try not to take ones that has too much items,since that can take up alot of time,and it also tends to make me late,considering DD doesn't seem to consider the time it takes to look for the items and whatnot..
It needs to. People who don’t tip or tip poorly need to get their own stuff.
I honestly will only take the order if it meets my criteria, I don’t care if there’s a hidden tip or not. I’ll look and assume it may have one and get maybe a lil excited, but unless it will pay me what I would initially require, I won’t take it. You can leave those low dollar orders to the new dashers who haven’t learned they’re allowed to decline as much as they’d like haha, we’ve all been victim to those shitty no tip orders when we were noobs.
Amen to this!!
Haha i would decline those even as a new dasher. Even more tight what i accept now
Laced us with the game! You are much appreciated bro
I had one of those today. I took an order with only 1 item and only showing a $7.25 pay out. It ended up paying $12.75. I was like 😳...😁!
Where I live most people dont tip. And its a long drive to do one order that cost them over 65.00 and I was only paid 7.00 want worth it. They should be required to tip. Another person said " I tip in cash" but then told me to leave order at my door 😒 no tip.. Ya frustrating asf.
Make a video about taking orders that require a bridge toll. I havent seen anyone make one yet, and its a common issue in my region
My area has a lot of foreign flight students. They only tip $1. It's a far commute and they always use door dash because they don't drive.
I had a whole family meal from Golden Corral with dessert and NO TIP……..oh yeah over 8 MILES away!
my market has had this type of pay forever, your missing one valid point on the longer drives. they do show full payout on bad long orders. most orders are hidden around 1.50 per mile, so a 8 mile delivery will cap out around 12.50ish and so on. on 10 mile + deliveries it seems they cap it around 19.50 in my experience with this pay model. they still do not show full payout on longer orders but will if its under 1.50 a mile if that makes sense :D. if pay is above 2$ a mile its hidden around 1.49-2$
Dang in Oklahoma I thought I was doing good. But ain't nobody left $27 tip haha. That's awesome. But great advice. I can tell there little changes. Thanks
Exactly what I am seeing in my area as well
In my area, hidden tips tend to be 6.75, 8.75 or sometimes random higher amounts. I've noticed Safeway shop and deliver orders never have hidden tips. In fact I got a $52 Safeway order tonight, customer tipped $30 and it showed me it up front
Yeah probably because it was already late and no one else excepted it.
Hmmm odd, I can't see if a Customer added a Tip before accepting it an order, only after completing the order Then I Can See if they Tipped Me or Not.
Also it's mostly about location and that means that every area/state/city differ from your pay/orders.
Dasher here from California.
I took an order yesterday only because I thought it might have hidden pay. I had to stop and pick ice cream up at the dollar store and go to a pizza joint a few miles away for the same customer which was 8 1/2 miles away. I thought for sure there would have been hidden pay there but I walked away with a whopping $9.00
Im kind of mad about this rn but happy you are sharing!
California passed a law that says gig apps can't hide tips anymore. I'll be curious to see how that affects doordash
Im annoyed i left california. Left due to the fires
I've been noticing this pattern as well I'm glad I'm not crazy. Well I'm a little crazy but at least I see it from your mouth I know it's true wonky wonky happy New Year stay safe out there 😂 😂
Same!
Same, I hardly ever take hot food nowadays because they pay trash compared to shop and deliver or retail orders but I attempted this method two days ago because I did see some correlation between milage and pay that was different from before and I did pretty well
Come down here to Missouri and Table Rock all we're getting there 3$7 orders
When you have to drive 40 miles for a $2.95 order