FULL METAL JACKET's cryptic Vietnamese signs translated

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  •  4 года назад +98

    Fun fact: Hynos was an American company founded in 1965, a Vietnamese bought the company then spend a fortune putting those ads everywhere which then become famous around south Vietnam at that time, the Boy toothpaste seem to be Perlon a rival toothpaste company and Leyna is also a toothpaste company...
    @16:37 the sign is a Melasma cream ads, it say “Melasma away - apply everyday”
    @18:18 It’s Quý( Dear) not Quỷ(Devil) meaning “Keep serving Dear Lord(God)”
    @21:21 Mỹ mean Beautiful and Toàn mean Perfection, America literally mean Beautiful Nation, but I find some people read My Toan as My Town which imply the place the girl is defending
    @23:32 Tâm mean Heart/Soul and Phương mean Direction
    @24:48 the Poster say “Đoàn kết- Tiêu diệt Cộng Sản xâm lăng” meaning Unite - Destroy Communist Invaders

    • @jordangottman3732
      @jordangottman3732 2 года назад +8

      Going out on a limb here, but is it possible that the over abundance of toothpaste advertisements included in the film is some sort of commentary on the neurological / cognitive effects that fluoride in dental products (and drinking water) may have?
      Edit: upon seeing further comments below, another has mentioned perhaps that it is more a theme of “whitening” whether just of teeth or symbolically white-washing the Vietnamese culture itself.
      This, taken especially with the advertisement for skin bleaching / skin whitening cream in the prostitute sequence mentioned makes a lot more sense than my half-baked fluoride theory.

    • @aaarauz1
      @aaarauz1 2 года назад +1

      brilliant! thank you.

    • @6610stix
      @6610stix Год назад

      @@jordangottman3732 Could it also be alluding to the notion that war is a business enterprise that can be compared to daytime television of the 60's
      that seemed to be more about selling laundry detergent and toothpaste than entertainment?
      Just like television most wars are enterprises designed to make their investors a profit.

    • @luisjavierkanchi6872
      @luisjavierkanchi6872 Год назад +2

      Oh man, Rob was close, this actually make more sense

    • @edwardz.rosenthal9946
      @edwardz.rosenthal9946 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@jordangottman3732It was a great ride, tho! 😊

  • @thescreamingid
    @thescreamingid 5 лет назад +256

    General in Dr. Strangelove was obsessed with fluoride, fits with the toothpaste theme....

    • @Scrubmarines
      @Scrubmarines 5 лет назад +34

      They poison the water with flouride.

    • @couchpotato3197
      @couchpotato3197 5 лет назад +29

      There were false teeth prominent in Clockwork Orange too, that represented lies basically if I recall correctly. It reminded me of that too.

    • @cirquedude123
      @cirquedude123 5 лет назад +1

      thescreamingid oh snap!!!

    • @cirquedude123
      @cirquedude123 5 лет назад

      couchpotato DAMN

    • @trevorjonathan4405
      @trevorjonathan4405 5 лет назад +15

      It's an experiment 👁️The US 1st itroduced it in 1945 - Operation Paperclip 👁️en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_in_the_United_States Water is flouridated in the poorest region of the UK, the West Midlands. Formerly the country's manufacturing hub 👁️

  • @MustafaKulle
    @MustafaKulle 5 лет назад +327

    The fact that this was filmed in England is mindblowing. Kubrick the absolute genius.

    • @trevorjonathan4405
      @trevorjonathan4405 5 лет назад +18

      The West Midlands, formerly the UK's manufacturing hub, is the only region in the entire nation where water is fluoridated. It's an experiment 👁️

    • @RighteousBrother
      @RighteousBrother 5 лет назад +7

      I dont know, I've always got that its England in the back of my mind. Takes me out of the movie slightly. Set design was by Anton Furst who was responsible for Tim Burtons Batman.

    • @jakethet3206
      @jakethet3206 5 лет назад +18

      Kubrick IS a genius, but the genius of FMJ’s sets belongs to his production designers and set builders.
      Oh, and don’t forget... the reason they had to be so good was because Stanley wouldn’t fly anywhere!

    • @Analfracture
      @Analfracture 5 лет назад +6

      Trevor Jonathan It has worked tremendously. The locals are fully passified mentally. I grew up there until 1994.

    • @vollsticks
      @vollsticks 5 лет назад

      @@RighteousBrother Me too! Once I learned that, like you, it DID take me out of the film slightly. Didn't know it was Anton Furst who did the set design, I found his Batman sets gloriously gothic and a bit sleazy but with a slight camp edge...did he do the second Burton film? Time to check IMDb....

  • @leokimvideo
    @leokimvideo 3 года назад +81

    Sadly this is a tad lost in translation. Vietnamese is so difficult to translate unless the whole context of the sentence is understood and the reversed grammar is understood. A simple word like 'Moi' can have endless meanings depending on how the accents are used to give the word a totally different meaning. Maybe you need to re edit this deep dive after sitting down with a Vietnamese person for an hour to get the literal translations, even then you may find that different people have a different understanding of a sign, believe me I have experienced this for real. To see so much French influence there at the timeframe of the war would have been normal. If it wasn't there then Kubrick would have made a mistake. The oil reference is important because if you ever fly into Ho Chi Minh city you will notice out in the sea just off the coast oil rigs. Vietnam is sitting on a huge untapped oil reserve. This oil reserve is something China wants desperately to control and that's current news. After the Vietnam War ( Vietnamese call it The American War ) there was a conflict with China who wanted repayment for all the help it gave Vietnam to push America out. So even though both these countries are communist run they don't get along together. If Vietnam gets caught up in a conflict with China today i'm certain America will assist. The South China Sea area is going to explode very soon.

    • @infeedel7706
      @infeedel7706 3 года назад +4

      Was wondering when reading the comments I'd see the Oil connection. Spratly reefs (Đảo Trường Sa Lớn).

    • @meminustherandomgooglenumbers
      @meminustherandomgooglenumbers 2 года назад +2

      China isn't communist any more. The Chinese communists were wiped out at the Battle of Tiananmen Square.

    • @ShaunHensley
      @ShaunHensley 2 года назад +2

      Will be the nail in the coffin for the American empire

    • @Krakkokayne
      @Krakkokayne 2 года назад +1

      didn't China end up retreating from that conflict too? guess they didn't learn from the last war.

    • @zivadinovic
      @zivadinovic 2 года назад

      👏🏽

  • @kojiattwood
    @kojiattwood 5 лет назад +160

    Thank you for giving credit to the 2nd half of the movie, which continues to be criminally underrated.

    • @collativelearning
      @collativelearning  5 лет назад +44

      Definitely, even as a teenager I liked the second half as much as the first.

    • @robzilla730
      @robzilla730 5 лет назад +6

      Always loved the 2nd half. All the action & hardware. Haters gotta hate hate hate hate hate.

    • @johndunne7656
      @johndunne7656 4 года назад +1

      More like overrated, because everybody has to talk about how underrated it is. If you have to push that agenda that much, it must be sub-par. It just lacks charm (for me), but do understand why people like it. Movie shifts dramatically, without a transition.

    • @elansleazebaganno
      @elansleazebaganno 4 года назад +3

      @@johndunne7656 Exactly though that could be a purposeful thing, how being shipped of to Vietnam would be so different than being in boot camp, or being in the States, and how that change would happen suddenly

    • @fullmetalpleb
      @fullmetalpleb 4 года назад +4

      I honestly preferred it, felt more my speed after boot

  • @davidlean1060
    @davidlean1060 5 лет назад +36

    I just watched some interviews from Vietnam vets. One chap speaks of his first kill in a way that recalled the Jungian Shadow theme in FMJ. All of a sudden, he was on his own and a shape came at him from the jungle. It was kill or be killed and the guy telling the story took his shot and killed his would be killer. He freely admitted this Viet cong soldier was not a 'man' or a person to him, he was just a shape that ran at him and when he was down, he was just dead skin and bone. The vet didn't know the guy at all and felt no remorse. He was glad he lived, end of story. It reminded me of the line 'the dead know only one thing, it is better to be alive'.

  • @meikelvarvaro1994
    @meikelvarvaro1994 5 лет назад +125

    There’s another John Wayne Impression when Joker first meets the Lusthog squad and has the standoff with Animal Mother, he says “Well Pilgrim, only after you eat the peanuts outta my sheeeit”

    • @Ledfists
      @Ledfists 4 года назад +10

      He does another impression of John Wayne in the boot camp scene. “Is this you John Wayne, is this me”?

    • @jochenstacker7448
      @jochenstacker7448 4 года назад +2

      @@Ledfists that's in the video

    • @IanRomanick
      @IanRomanick 4 года назад +3

      I love that bit. 😂

    • @chasemcpot7789
      @chasemcpot7789 4 года назад +5

      Not John Wayne but “I’ve seen a little on Tv” is my favorite part of that whole scene lol

  • @FromeFmAjayD
    @FromeFmAjayD 5 лет назад +65

    *Austin Powers Voice* You know what’s remarkable is how England looks in no way like Vietnam.

    • @DBSG1976
      @DBSG1976 5 лет назад +5

      Exactly...

    • @mikhailiagacesa3406
      @mikhailiagacesa3406 4 года назад +1

      The temperature got hot during filming. Into the 80's fahrenheit.

  • @AuthorJamesFlynn
    @AuthorJamesFlynn 5 лет назад +26

    Hey Rob, I live in Vietnam and I asked a friend about two of these signs.
    He said that ‘Tiep tuc phung su quy ngai’ means:
    ‘Continue to serve/follow the one you respect/admire’ (the one you admire would usually be a man).
    And ‘Tam phuon’ is just a common business name, or a common name for a company.

    • @buzzcrushtrendkill
      @buzzcrushtrendkill 3 года назад +3

      Thanks, further proof that this video is tinfoil hatted.

    • @earlpipe9713
      @earlpipe9713 Год назад

      You should shorten your username to just "Buzzkill"

    • @ckminty603
      @ckminty603 11 месяцев назад +2

      Agreed, I lived in Vietnam for a year and have studied the language ever since, and live with a Vietnamese. Her translation of the 'devil' sign was just 'continue to serve the gentlemen' and i said 'not devil' she said no way. The sign the online translation suggested boots she said was an ad for a spa to remove blackheads. You might as well read horoscopes for signs as trust a translation engine for very different languages, especially without the diacritics or full context. Especially in vietnamese you cannot translate single morphemes and come up with the meaning, as words are often composed of multiple morphemes separated by by spaces making them look like separate words when they are not.

    • @edwardz.rosenthal9946
      @edwardz.rosenthal9946 10 месяцев назад

      Do Vietnamese get confused by their own language?! 😮😉

  • @christyjia8449
    @christyjia8449 5 лет назад +148

    Interesting. "請用黑人牙膏" in the big-toothed smiley guy advert says: "Please use black people's toothpaste!" And it's not even in Vietnamese script, it's in Chinese.

    • @jonnyreverb
      @jonnyreverb 5 лет назад +5

      I have heard of this toothpaste.

    • @rarityandSElover
      @rarityandSElover 4 года назад +2

      Jonnyreverb it’s just called darlie toothpaste, honestly not sure if there’s meant to be the racist insinuation

    •  4 года назад +5

      Jonnyreverb it still in store around Vietnam

    • @annaperl8624
      @annaperl8624 4 года назад +21

      yes, the direct translation is “use black people toothpaste” but the meaning behind that toothpaste is like saying “use this toothpaste! ur teeth will become white like a black man’s!” because in contrast to black skin, teeth look whiter.

    • @christyjia8449
      @christyjia8449 4 года назад +4

      @@annaperl8624 So using precisely that same reasoning, 1) the whiter a person's teeth, the darker that person's skin will look. And 2), the more stained/rotting a person's teeth are, the lighter that person's skin will look. Sorry, but that makes absolutely no sense.

  • @ryanbecker6713
    @ryanbecker6713 5 лет назад +104

    "Central" and "pheonix" maybe referring to the CIA and the Phoenix program?

    • @collativelearning
      @collativelearning  5 лет назад +27

      Hmmmm, very interesting.

    • @leehodge9741
      @leehodge9741 5 лет назад +4

      Freemasonry

    • @alanscott4846
      @alanscott4846 5 лет назад +8

      I was thinking it is because she was a sniper, aim for the heart or the center but Phoenix don't make sense, but with the Phoenix program I think you are on to something. Kubrick is just amazing.

    • @leehodge9741
      @leehodge9741 5 лет назад +6

      Phoenix rising from the ashes .. Transformation idea

    • @user-73a
      @user-73a 5 лет назад +2

      fuck you

  • @ernestolombardo5811
    @ernestolombardo5811 5 лет назад +12

    For many years now, the time has been beyond ripe for a good and deep Full Metal Jacket analysis. This was a treat and a half to watch.

  • @pragmaticcynicism6911
    @pragmaticcynicism6911 5 лет назад +135

    I think "To endlessly serve the devil" was Royal Dutch Shell's actual slogan.

    • @psa-km6kv
      @psa-km6kv 5 лет назад +1

      Pragmatic Cynicism what are you referring to?

    • @spijkerpoes
      @spijkerpoes 5 лет назад +8

      "Waar u stopt, gaan wij verder"
      Can be interpreted as "if you think this is immoral, watch us go!" 😄

    • @agnel47
      @agnel47 5 лет назад +1

      I can't find it in google, their newer motto is all I can find.
      The old slogan was probably memoryholed.

    • @spijkerpoes
      @spijkerpoes 5 лет назад +2

      @@agnel47 superslogans.nl/slogandetail/1628/waar-u-stopt-gaan-wij-verder/
      Its dutch, i think 80ies or 90ties. I remember it well.
      "Shell helpt" was another such one. Back in the innocent day of soap, soup and candy advertisement.

    • @spijkerpoes
      @spijkerpoes 5 лет назад +2

      @@agnel47 ruclips.net/video/-uSHLJXVTMA/видео.html
      When Dutch police drove 911 😍

  • @willelliot4001
    @willelliot4001 4 года назад +212

    “The French had their own little military conflict in the region before the US” doesn’t really cover it.

    • @KutWrite
      @KutWrite 4 года назад +37

      Artistic understatement... British, you know?

    • @danielfronc4304
      @danielfronc4304 3 года назад +16

      It's spot on. The French hasn't won a war and have rarely posed a threat to to anyone in the last 200 years. They're experienced in the art of surrender. They let others fight, and die to liberate them.

    • @scatattack9774
      @scatattack9774 3 года назад +33

      Daniel Fronc that’s ignorant af. Do a little bit of research on ww1

    • @sn00ty2
      @sn00ty2 3 года назад +21

      Daniel Fronc You need to watch Kubrick’s other war film, Paths of Glory, for a look at the bravery and sacrifice of the French in WWI

    • @kamato7003
      @kamato7003 3 года назад +10

      @@danielfronc4304 nice display of ignorance there, bud.

  • @jack_k2136
    @jack_k2136 5 лет назад +22

    At approx. 7.35, you discuss the toothpaste add of the young man vs. the old man with the smile in all the other adds. When I study the picture, I see a young man with head cocked slightly as if shouldering a rifle--looking down a sight, and the toothpaste tube is not horizontal as in many of the other adds, it is vertically propped, and resembles a round of ammo. Maybe it's the ex-military part of my brain, but that's what I see.

    • @jackdaniels2905
      @jackdaniels2905 5 лет назад +3

      The way the boards if the billboard create a "scope" makes me see your point.

    • @ShaunHensley
      @ShaunHensley 2 года назад

      That’s what I see

  • @scottsanburn204
    @scottsanburn204 5 лет назад +22

    Interesting. My dad, who did 2 tours in Vietnam, took me to see this film twice, and I wish we could have talked about this movie and what it meant to him but he never did. I figured it was just Vietnamese advertising for products, but the Shell phrase especially is intriguing - I would never have thought it had messaging in it. Clever.

  • @craxanshards3139
    @craxanshards3139 5 лет назад +45

    The Shell logo can also be seen as the rising sun.

  • @big61al41
    @big61al41 5 лет назад +24

    5:25 did anyone else catch the rather large and prominent painting of jesus looking towards joker? it feels out of place in a scene with overt consumerism, even the girl is a product to be bought...

    • @user-73a
      @user-73a 5 лет назад +1

      first year of college?

    • @big61al41
      @big61al41 5 лет назад

      @@user-73a what?

    • @big61al41
      @big61al41 5 лет назад

      @@user-73a really - what are you asking me? what is your point?

    • @lemongold709
      @lemongold709 5 лет назад +1

      When you see the original trailer and you hear the song "Mrs. Robinson" the lyrics "jesus loves you..." sync with that part and the first thing you saw is that jesus portrait, which is weird coincidence

  • @drumstick74
    @drumstick74 5 лет назад +7

    Thanks, I always wondered what those texts were saying.
    The Shell ad at 19:44 with the text "endlessly serving the Devil" could also be a reference to the American troops walking prominently just beneath the text, while the Shell logo is hidden. "America, the big Devil" has often been a term used by the civilian victims of war.

  • @donaldreed9988
    @donaldreed9988 2 года назад +4

    Just my take but I believe the constant use of advertisements were a nod to the real motives of the u.s invasion being to corporatize Vietnam

  • @DatsWhatXiSaid
    @DatsWhatXiSaid 5 лет назад +38

    The three flags on the fist is from the Vietnam War, in my guess, as the US, SOUTH Korea, and Australia had military contingents deployed. South Korea was a new US ally (or client state) eager to secure US support at home, so they helped the US in Vietnam and not without controversy.

    • @hobbie4
      @hobbie4 4 года назад +7

      Korean operations in South Vietnam were quite effective. COIN and anti-infiltration experience was invaluable countering North Korean action on their home peninsula.

    • @mikhailiagacesa3406
      @mikhailiagacesa3406 4 года назад +1

      I met a couple of ROK Viet Vets from the White Horse Division. Never call in an artillery strike when an infantry attack will do. Feared by the NLF.

    • @mikhailiagacesa3406
      @mikhailiagacesa3406 2 года назад

      @@uncleho1945 You sound butt-hurt...Where did you serve?

    • @_scabs6669
      @_scabs6669 Год назад

      great point here. most of our weaker-nation allies are not really allies but conquests. our real allies are the ones they call the enemies, Russia and China, so on, who we work together with to keep wars going on all over the earth to keep the rest of the small countries shaking with terror

  • @Excremental_Discharge
    @Excremental_Discharge 3 года назад +6

    I have fallen down the Collective Learning rabbit hole and love it. I gotta give this dude props, he credits all his sources and doesn't present what others have discussed as his own ideas

  • @AnthonyBerkshire
    @AnthonyBerkshire 5 лет назад +35

    3:24 smiling man looks more like a black men from a colonial french region. White tooth... hint

    • @emjay9280
      @emjay9280 5 лет назад +5

      On the close up you can see he has afro hair.

    • @collativelearning
      @collativelearning  5 лет назад +3

      yeah i got a bit of that vibe too.

    • @chrisrus1965
      @chrisrus1965 5 лет назад +2

      @@collativelearning There are black tribes native to the region such as the Melonesians.
      Maybe Melonesians are well-known enough in Vietnamese culture for their impressive teeth to be chosen as a toothpaste brand mascot.

    • @mickeythompson9537
      @mickeythompson9537 5 лет назад +2

      Agreed - African American with stereotype smile.
      Compare to image of dying African American at 6:26

    • @mickeythompson9537
      @mickeythompson9537 5 лет назад +2

      African American stereotypes were well known in Asia.
      Check out the ild logo for Takara toys of Japan.

  • @COOKERZILLA
    @COOKERZILLA 5 лет назад +3

    Rob you've been running circles around EVERY online film analysis on the internet for a while but lately it's felt like your just hitting non-stop homeruns with the stuff youve been doing lately. As a filmmaker- me and some of my collaborators have really benefited from YOUR work .

  • @justinfalzon6854
    @justinfalzon6854 5 лет назад +9

    Great stuff my man. I'm broke at the moment but I hope things start to turn around this year. When things do for me, you'll know. Keep it up. Thanks for all you do and happy new year.

  • @BinaryBunyip
    @BinaryBunyip 5 лет назад +4

    The kid in the toothpaste add is in a position, almost like a sniper pose. ??

  • @banhmitamgiac3993
    @banhmitamgiac3993 5 лет назад +96

    It's interesting to see your own language being analyzed so precisely

    • @banhmitamgiac3993
      @banhmitamgiac3993 5 лет назад +32

      12:28 actually Hột xoàn means jewerly

    • @collativelearning
      @collativelearning  5 лет назад +29

      Thanks Mr "Triangular bread" ;)

    • @collativelearning
      @collativelearning  5 лет назад +11

      @@banhmitamgiac3993 Does it, thanks. Diamond was what i got from the translation engine, but damn those engines give varied results.

    • @chrisrus1965
      @chrisrus1965 5 лет назад +18

      As a native speaker, we are interested in your thoughts.

    • @VuLe-qn9re
      @VuLe-qn9re 5 лет назад +17

      Actually, "Hột Xoàn" really means diamond. It was a dialect commonly used in the south at the time.

  • @StrayCatInTheStreets
    @StrayCatInTheStreets Год назад +2

    Funny thing about Full Metal Jacket is anytime I think of the movie itself, I always remember the vietnam scenes first. The first half of the movie, I remember the dialogue but the second half the visuals are iconic

  • @limbrat5448
    @limbrat5448 5 лет назад +6

    Great job of Collective learning. I love your flicks.💞

  • @jeffreyhack7887
    @jeffreyhack7887 4 года назад +3

    @24:20 that is not the flag of North Korea. It's the flag of South Korea which along with Australia was the only country to send significant military forces to fight alongside the US in the Vietnam War. It's not a Korean War era poster.

  • @seankeane7055
    @seankeane7055 5 лет назад +9

    Great stuff here Rob, a few things popped into my head with your points.
    - The Leyna sign relating to "Little Angel" "Light" and the name Helen. In Eyes Wide Shut the daughter is named Helena and wears angel wings in her first scene
    - With "Little Angel" in mind and the references in the other signs to Hell or the Devil (along with the fires everywhere) the fact that the cardboard Indian cutout is perched on Joker's shoulder reminds me of the classic cartoon trope of having and angel and devil on opposite shoulders trying to sway you towards their pain of view. Note John Wayne fighting an Indian is over his other shoulder
    - The toothpaste signs along with what you mentioned, keeping teeth white brings to mind the idea of White Washing and US imperialism brining the great white hope
    - Finally the fist poster at the end. I think you're right on with a power controlling the soldiers i.e. governments/ corporations. This reminds me of a prominent shot in the first half of the film where Hartman forces Pyle to strangle himself with Hartman's hand. The shot is a close up of the hand gripping Pyle's neck. This shot also reminds me of a shot from EWS where Ziegler's hand is very large in the foreground of the shot where Bill is reviving Mandy. Ziegler is established as the powerful figure in Bill's world. Combine that with Dr. Strangelove's single glove and there's a repetition of large powerful hands controlling people.

  • @michaelmckinnon1591
    @michaelmckinnon1591 4 года назад +6

    The street signs are there to give it a lived in appearance, and often used to describe how to view the war scenes in the film, Hynos toothpaste was discontinued due to it's being toxic to humans with numerous illnesses, (including cancer) and because of Hynos' toxicity being comparable to the horrors of war.

    • @ibubezi7685
      @ibubezi7685 2 года назад +1

      Rather.... Agent Orange, then?

  • @Fangs1978
    @Fangs1978 5 лет назад +8

    10:08 There are diacritic markings on the sign. The coloring of the sign just makes them hard to see is all.

    • @couchpotato3197
      @couchpotato3197 5 лет назад +4

      Yeah I noticed that too theres clearly some over all the As

    • @jameswrona6706
      @jameswrona6706 5 лет назад +3

      Yes! Thank you. It's not just me.

    • @hetmanjz
      @hetmanjz 4 года назад +1

      This, combined with other things, like using "online translation engines" to decipher the deeply mysterious meanings of the signs -- like, could you not talk to human beings who actually know the language? -- and the reading of the caricatured black man in the sign as a Vietnamese man, makes me think this guy's interpretations are to be taken with several pounds of salt.

  • @brittanyw7546
    @brittanyw7546 4 года назад +5

    Photocopy could also refer to the process of training the soldiers into mindless minions to do the bidding of a more powerful entity.

    • @hughthompson6781
      @hughthompson6781 2 года назад

      As in, these guys think they are 'it' but pass me the copy paper, the machine's out, ie cannon fodder.

  • @userb3nje909
    @userb3nje909 3 года назад +4

    "Boots" is a derogatory term for new Marines by other Marines.

  • @babscabs1987
    @babscabs1987 5 лет назад +7

    Vietnamese in a scouse accent must be what Martian sounds like.

  • @BrianSmith-cw7mr
    @BrianSmith-cw7mr 4 года назад +5

    Hi Rob
    Yours is one of the best channels on youtube. The reason it would say 'Le Ngoc' in the movie theater scene is because in many Asian cultures, the family name is written before the given name. Incredible video!

  • @Zizumia
    @Zizumia 2 года назад +1

    It's interesting the girl who played the sniper's name was prominently featured while Joker was talking about getting his first confirmed kill.

  • @1dirkmanchest
    @1dirkmanchest 5 лет назад +8

    The VC sniper is armed with a Czech made Vz 58 and not a Soviet or Chinese AK-47 or Type 56.
    Does this carry any significance?

    • @VanSisean
      @VanSisean 5 лет назад +10

      While the Vz. 58 assault rifle could still be read as simply symbolic of the USSR/PRC-dominated Communist bloc, it could also be representative of contemporaneous aspirations toward independent socialist non-alignment that were co-opted or hamstrung between the great powers of the Cold War (specifically Alexander Dubček's abortive "socialism with a human face" in Czechoslovakia during the Prague Spring before it was crushed by the 1968 Soviet invasion, but also emblematic of a spectrum of states and movements ranging from Josip Broz Tito's Yugoslavia to Olof Palme's Sweden to Salvador Allende's Chile).

    • @1dirkmanchest
      @1dirkmanchest 5 лет назад +2

      @@VanSisean Wow.

    • @MyH3ntaiGirl
      @MyH3ntaiGirl 4 года назад

      @@1dirkmanchest you can pull anything out of your ass if you like a movie enough
      Same shit as the curtain is blue and people try to make out shit about why blue is symbolic and shit

    • @oltyret
      @oltyret 4 года назад +1

      I doubt it. I think it was the prop that was available. Most people don't know the difference.

    • @1dirkmanchest
      @1dirkmanchest 4 года назад

      @@oltyret That particular rifle would have to selected with care and knowledge.
      I think it was selected for a reason. People that know the difference are talking about it years after this movie was filmed. I simply have no idea why that rifle was picked for the "sniper".

  • @StephenBahler
    @StephenBahler 5 лет назад +14

    I agree the with the "devil" metaphor, but I see it as the "devil" orchestrating a war where everyone dies/he is the only victor. They were playing both sides. Those Hueys/tanks/fighter jets/napalm run on fuel.

  • @politikz8128
    @politikz8128 5 лет назад +13

    I remember buying his analysis for The Warriors a few years back and it was really good

  • @talldave1000
    @talldave1000 2 года назад +1

    I can see you put a great deal of thought into this. Great viewpoints! Thank you for the effort and video

  • @bengszy8124
    @bengszy8124 5 лет назад +17

    3:51 Those Chinese characters “黑人牙膏” on the hynos billboard actually mean black person toothpaste

    • @collativelearning
      @collativelearning  5 лет назад +2

      Really? Fascinating.

    • @chrisrus1965
      @chrisrus1965 5 лет назад +1

      Is he supposed to be African or Melonesian ?

    • @hellwolf4liberty
      @hellwolf4liberty 5 лет назад +6

      Yes, it means black guy toothpaste. But it is known in China too, because the stereotype that black guy has whiter looking teeth due to color contrast.

    • @JFDA5458
      @JFDA5458 4 года назад +1

      @@hellwolf4liberty I thought straightaway the man in the Hynos advert was black not Vietnamese. Could it be a metaphor for oppression? At the same (1968) as African Americans are being oppressed in the deep south of the USA, US soldiers are oppressing another ethic national group in Vietnam.

    •  4 года назад

      Dale Addison the black guy in Hynos actually is Javanese

  • @dongblak7048
    @dongblak7048 5 лет назад +27

    "Phuong" could also mean "Heartbreaker".

    • @emjay9280
      @emjay9280 5 лет назад +6

      I'd heard the phrase "lifetaker and heartbreaker" in a Vietnam film. Might have even been this one.

    • @MichaelMay-s7o
      @MichaelMay-s7o 2 месяца назад

      @@emjay9280yes that’s from FMJ.

  • @BobfishAlmighty
    @BobfishAlmighty 5 лет назад +5

    Given the general theme of the film overall, I'd guess the demon being served is war. The Shell logo being used to reinforce the symbolism overtly because of the probabilities of oil being a motivation, but also more indirectly as just showing the roll of money in war as a general concept

    • @robzilla730
      @robzilla730 5 лет назад

      In these globalist
      /nwo wars. Vietnam was a template. Itaq/Afgwanistan were pretty much fought the same way. Oil is mentioned here as a motive. The other motivation not mentioned is; pop pees. Too much money to be made. My bros bro in law did a tour there and said all he did was guard a pop pee files. And I hear there's a big opioid problem in 'Murica. Connection? Hmmm...

    • @hughthompson6781
      @hughthompson6781 2 года назад

      Shell Oil sign is one of the most instantly recognised symbols of 'Big US Oil' as it doesn't spell a word like Esso, Texaco etc do.
      Also, hat tip to Tony Curtis in Some Like It Hot, 'my family have always collected shells, maybe that's why they named the company after them.'

  • @MrJohndoakes
    @MrJohndoakes 4 года назад +1

    25:03 The poster is from the Vietnam War. South Korea (and yes, that is the South Korean flag on the cartoon sleeve) was one of the US-allied nations that sent soldiers to South Vietnam, along with Australia and New Zealand. Thailand provided space within it's own kingdom for US Air Force bomber, fighter-bomber, and fighter bases that flew over South and North Vietnam. Japan had aircraft repair facilities for US Air Force and Marine jet fighters, staffed by Americans. It was an international effort to crush insurgencies in South Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia that did not succeed.

  • @princeofdenmark9142
    @princeofdenmark9142 5 лет назад +8

    Thanks for pointing all this out - have to say I missed every single detail you point out - only ever watched it on VHS for the first forty times & even the DVD isn't all that!

  • @djmoocahking
    @djmoocahking 5 лет назад +2

    Fantastic. Really enjoyed this one. Always love how much in-depth research you perform and analyze to present these amazing studies of film and cryptic imagery, especially regarding Kubrick’s releases. Great work Rob!

    • @Ken_oh545
      @Ken_oh545 Год назад

      One wonders how many more subtle symbols, visual gestures and unrecognised allusions are present. Maybe none, maybe many.

  • @jhairccorimanya1806
    @jhairccorimanya1806 5 лет назад +8

    Great analysis, Mr. Ager, it's strange to find someone with such dedication on movies nowadays.

  • @KevinStriker
    @KevinStriker Год назад

    10:09
    Not to nitpick, but the markings *are* there, you can just make them out above the A's in Danh and Rang, on both the left and right sides of the sign.

  • @johnhaller7017
    @johnhaller7017 5 лет назад +9

    I always saw the toothpaste smiling man to be Louis Armstrong, "Satchmo". There is a famous photo of him that is almost identical to this. What a wonderful world is a satchmo song that becomes a theme of that movie "Good Morning Vietnam" which was released only weeks after FMJ. Maybe Kubrick knew about the Satchmo sound track and was getting in first with the symbolism.? just a guess.

    • @sk8moto
      @sk8moto 3 года назад

      3:13 Yes, that's a black man smiling in the Hynos ad. I think Hynos copied that from Darkie Toothpaste (see wiki). The ad at 3:41 has "black person toothpaste" written in Chinese, which is also what Darkie Toothpaste is called in Chinese. This all could be referencing the racism that exists, as the hooker didn't want to have sex with the "soul brother".

  • @promeitheus
    @promeitheus 5 лет назад +1

    Anyone else notice that somebody moved a sheet of plywood that was blocking a window hole, thereby allowing the sniper to kill Cowboy? Is that discussed here? Hopefully

  • @rjcme
    @rjcme 5 лет назад +4

    Didn´t you make a video about that clinched fist poster as a metaphor for Hartman´s "hand" still influencing Joker?

    • @collativelearning
      @collativelearning  5 лет назад +2

      Yes, many years back when i did an hour or so video on FMJ, the title of the vid was The Hidden Hand. That vid is still available on my site, but I'm posting updated and expanded parts of it in HD now and then

  • @HunterL80
    @HunterL80 4 года назад +1

    The fist poster @ 24:15 is actually showing the US flag, “South Korean” flag [may have accidentally said NK flag], and Australian flag.
    These 3 countries, other than South Vietnam committed the most troops to Vietnam.
    US-2.7 million soldiers.
    Australia-60,000 soldiers.
    South Korea-320,000 soldiers.
    So rather than the Korean War of the 1950’s, I think it is saying something about the Vietnam War and these countries that fought there, much similar to the rest of the symbology the video covers.

  • @eskhawk
    @eskhawk 4 года назад +8

    I hardly think John Wayne "avoided the draft"...He was 36 years old when Pearl Harbor was bombed...How many 36 year old men were drafted?

  • @matthijsnahon5442
    @matthijsnahon5442 4 года назад

    On time 7:47 the toothpaste add looks more like a person, a child, holding a rifle, and it looks like it is aiming at the soldier's back. And along side, the toothpaste looks more like a jacket of a rifle.

  • @gigwatt119
    @gigwatt119 5 лет назад +9

    South Korea fought in the Vietnam war with Australia and the USA

    • @gigwatt119
      @gigwatt119 5 лет назад

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea_in_the_Vietnam_War

  • @jfh1741
    @jfh1741 2 года назад +2

    Your analysis is amazing.

  • @PaulDubya007
    @PaulDubya007 5 лет назад +4

    Wow in my ignorance i assumed the 2nd half of the film was shot on location in a southeast asian country. I'm now blown away by the fact it was shot in England.

  • @lucasharris5727
    @lucasharris5727 3 года назад +1

    I had noticed something in full metal jacket and it freaked me out. Definitely the lyrics to that fucking boot song. Is that a reference to Orwell? It may as well be.

  • @OnionHeadMedia
    @OnionHeadMedia 5 лет назад +4

    The shell in the shell signs is from the stars. Many corporate logos are based on occult symbols. My guess for the shell sign in the constellation Lyra. But it could be another. It is also often shown as a shield like on the dollar.

  • @cameronmacleod6479
    @cameronmacleod6479 3 года назад +1

    Love your channel man!

  • @Kananmunakas
    @Kananmunakas 5 лет назад +11

    The hole where sniper is shooting looks like US map doesnt it?

  • @cl-ontheroad
    @cl-ontheroad 2 года назад +1

    "He personally avoided the draft." - A deftly crafted line. Given the current attitude towards John Wayne, it's safe to presume the line is included to take a shot at Wayne. However, Wayne was 57 years old when the draft was instituted. John Wayne wasn't a draft-dodger, but "he personally avoided the draft" is correct, even though it's ridiculously used. John F Kennedy also personally avoided the draft, mostly because he was dead. I personally avoided the draft, mostly because I wasn't born. See how ridiculous that sounds?

  • @Savoy1984
    @Savoy1984 5 лет назад +3

    Made me think of Death Wish III which was filmed in London...and they both have a scene with a camera being stolen on a street!

  • @BabyBoomerChannel
    @BabyBoomerChannel 4 года назад

    Rob - great to see you posting new stuff. And I'm really glad your tackling FMJ.

  • @LaurentCourtin
    @LaurentCourtin 5 лет назад +5

    In the 80s and 90s, everything was “Pan & Scan” because every movie had to fill this bloody 4/3 screen.
    Now, our 4/3 movies are cropped to fill this bloody widescreen.
    Is it so difficult to respect the original format?

    • @hughthompson6781
      @hughthompson6781 2 года назад

      When I went to see The Artist I cheered when it started because it was in Academy Format. Which rather surprised the rest of the cinema audience.

  • @Almost_Forgotten_Films
    @Almost_Forgotten_Films 5 лет назад

    I just noticed something. Notice how at 2:24, the building containing the sniper, there is a hole in the approximate shape of Texas where the sniper is shooting from. Could this be a reference to Charles Whitman, who was mentioned earlier in basic training?

  • @grapeshot
    @grapeshot 5 лет назад +6

    I had a history teacher in high school who was with the 1/1 Marines and fought in the Battle of Hue.

    • @matthiasthulman4058
      @matthiasthulman4058 5 лет назад +5

      I had a janitor in my school that was in Vietnam. His face was terribly scarred and burned, and he looked like a stereotype from a scary movie.
      Super nice guy though, like, super nice.
      Although he did bring in pictures once from the war. He and another guy were holding up faces. He said "they got mine, so we got theirs"
      Kinda terrifying now that I think about it

    • @grapeshot
      @grapeshot 5 лет назад +1

      @MyNutsAreOrange oh yes way back in 1992. Then I went to the US Army myself served from 92 through 96.

    • @couchpotato3197
      @couchpotato3197 5 лет назад +1

      @@matthiasthulman4058 I watched Apocalypse Now for the first time recently, and played Deary Stranding which had a Vietnam section. It looked fucking terrifying just from fiction let alone real pictures and people's scars, jesus

    • @jhonezcronic
      @jhonezcronic 4 года назад

      i had a uncle in the Air Calv

    • @hughthompson6781
      @hughthompson6781 2 года назад

      @@jhonezcronic Sorry sir, you have the wrong movie. Apocalypse Now is in the theater across the street. No need to thank me.

  • @hetmanjz
    @hetmanjz 4 года назад +2

    16:03 "Le Ngoc" is not part of the billboard, it seems to be a sign designating the name of the theatre itself. "Ngoc" apparently means "gem," so my thought is the "Le" here is the French article. As we know, it was long a tradition, prior to multiplexes, for movie theaters to have their own names; think for instance of "Bijou."

    • @hughthompson6781
      @hughthompson6781 2 года назад +1

      Ngoc Le is the name of the actress, so a play on words with her name?

  • @gustavopires4016
    @gustavopires4016 5 лет назад +9

    The Urban Dictionary thing is not legit. Search for any name on there and they're gonna have a feel-good fortune type of description for the name. A search for my name returns this: "A loving and caring guy who puts others first. Will be or is an amazing boyfriend and always makes sure that their couple is happy. Loved by many, especially by their signicicant other. Once they have found that special girl they will stick with then forever. Incredibly sweetie and sensitive. :)
    ".

  • @findingsolutions198
    @findingsolutions198 4 года назад +1

    11:34 33 .... And you are asking for another simbol to associate with ? The eagle on the top.( Red and blue Also are their colours : they use It to create división for their divide and conquer

  • @Anthony67215
    @Anthony67215 5 лет назад +12

    This is unrelated to the topic but has anyone else noticed that in the scene with the hooker the same cars are going around in circles? It’s very distracting once you notice it lol

    • @collativelearning
      @collativelearning  5 лет назад +16

      Yes I noticed that too. there's something else going on with the bystanders in that scene that I picked up on but saving for a diff video as it's not street sign related.

    • @trevorjonathan4405
      @trevorjonathan4405 5 лет назад +2

      Subliminal tool

    • @iknowyouarh
      @iknowyouarh 5 лет назад +7

      The hooker is the recurance of the jelly donut from the first part... purple pants, sign in the back says Creme... The donut is a vaginal symbol, just like the term "Jelly Roll" in blues music.

    • @kellyjackson7889
      @kellyjackson7889 5 лет назад +1

      @@iknowyouarh and a chocolate glazed donut?

    • @trevorjonathan4405
      @trevorjonathan4405 5 лет назад +1

      @@iknowyouarh Great work! Renaissance period art commissioned by the Church frequently referenced the vesica-pisces. The church (aka mother cersei) is a womb. With the sun penetrating the stained glass windows. Bringing enlightenment. All ancient cultures symbolically referenced reproductive organs in their art.

  • @chrishamlin5863
    @chrishamlin5863 3 года назад +1

    I just wanted to point out that the three countries indicated on the Fist poster (US, Australia and S. Korea) were also allies of S Vietnam. All 3 countries fought together in the Vietnam war as well as the Korean war.

  • @flamesphere3144
    @flamesphere3144 5 лет назад +7

    1/2 hour dose of Rob Ager yesss.
    Also Rob I’ve never asked, what are you trying to communicate with the audio of breathing when you stop speaking?

  • @Eralen00
    @Eralen00 4 года назад

    10:10 that sign looks like they have the markings on the letters, they just look different since its in caps, definitely has the marks on the two As, and I'm guessing its a thin line on the D so its hard to notice in the footage

  • @78deathface
    @78deathface 5 лет назад +19

    “33” is decent beer, but I prefer Huda beer, brewed right there in Hue 🍺👍✨

    • @apexxxx10
      @apexxxx10 3 года назад

      *popular thai beer brands; leo, chang and singha*

  • @StopFear
    @StopFear 4 года назад +1

    I think this is such an interesting g video. One of the best I’ve seen for days.

  • @HooverShrimpster
    @HooverShrimpster 4 года назад +17

    Collative, 90% of your speculation in the movie is incorrect its painful. If you happen to see this comment, please take time to read it.
    Mỹ Toàn means Beauty (that is) Preserved

    • @HooverShrimpster
      @HooverShrimpster 4 года назад +7

      Tiếp Tục Phục Vụ Quý Ngài means We Will Always Serve You (The Customer)

    • @HooverShrimpster
      @HooverShrimpster 4 года назад +7

      Hynos Guy was called "Anh Chà Và" or "Java Guy" (endearing word, not insulting). The idea was that he was so black, when he smiles, everybody sees his beautiful pearly white teeth.

    • @HooverShrimpster
      @HooverShrimpster 4 года назад +8

      This whole video is like an essay where the student elaborates about stuffs that the author didn't even intended.
      "The character's room is blue because blue is his favourite color, and my favourite color too. That's it"
      "The blue color reflects the inner feeling of the main character, reflecting the melancholic state of mind, and the fact that he see the world in such distorted and inhuman nature, that set forth his adventure..."

    • @HooverShrimpster
      @HooverShrimpster 4 года назад +7

      ... hơi nám da
      ... mỗi ngày thoa
      CREME (something)
      Literally says:
      (If your skin is) a little sunburnt
      then applies
      CREME (something)

    • @HooverShrimpster
      @HooverShrimpster 4 года назад +7

      Hynos does not have the black guy as their sole icon. Just like any other companies, they have different people in different ads. Black guy sticks the most because of how beautiful his smile is.

  • @Infernale
    @Infernale 10 месяцев назад

    24:25 I don't know if thats a Korean war poster since not only did america intervene in the Vietnam war but so did south Korea and Australia. they did it mainly to strengthen ties with america.

  • @59232
    @59232 4 года назад +4

    Tooth paste kid is aiming a metaphorical rifle at em

  • @l34CoNCreepy
    @l34CoNCreepy Год назад

    so the sign about doing the work of trhe devil... i ccnt help but continuously think "is he referring to the rolling stones album "For her satanic majesty's request" ?' it is a vietnam era album that is uesd in almost every single vietnam war movie and its album cover is a cryptic maze similiar to sgt pepper.

  • @chefcabbage
    @chefcabbage 4 года назад +3

    There's an American beer called "Rolling Rock" that has "33" on the cans and bottles, too. The "33" symbolized 1933, the year the 18th Amendment was repealed, ending Prohibition. The motto on the cans and bottles is "Same as it Ever Was". Probably a coincidence.

    • @SubCapt
      @SubCapt 4 года назад +2

      FWIW "33 Export" beer was named after its bottle size, i.e. 33 centilitres (a third of a litre / a little over 11 ounces). It was created under French Colonial rule in Indochina by Brasseries et Glacières d'Indochine / BGI, and its production in France only started later, in 1960.
      After South Vietnam fell in 1975, it was simply rebranded as "333".
      The 33 Export brand is currently owned by Heineken, and is still produced in quite a few African countries, all of them former French colonies.

  • @ysph
    @ysph 4 года назад

    the kid ad was actually a perlon ad. and during the camera theft scene, the shopping center with the large vietnamese man's face and all the other nearby signs look as if they were all painted onto a flat surface so that it would appear to be multiple individual signs.

    • @ysph
      @ysph 4 года назад

      also, that "cinema" is all just scenery painted onto a cinder block wall

  • @ChibiBoxing
    @ChibiBoxing 5 лет назад +17

    "Keep serving your demons".
    Christ Almighty...Kubrick keeps fascinating me.
    I love how he played with psychology too. Thanks for your video..amazing stuff.

  • @johndunne7656
    @johndunne7656 4 года назад +1

    Very thorough, complete analysis once again, from the great Rob Ager. Thank you Sir for posting, much appreciated--your work is stellar.

  • @theincrediblemisternobody8724
    @theincrediblemisternobody8724 4 года назад +8

    John Wayne "avoided" the draft by being born in 1907 . . .

    • @coiledsteel8344
      @coiledsteel8344 2 года назад

      Nope You Dope, He Was Medically Disqualified.

  • @YggdrasilAudio
    @YggdrasilAudio 3 года назад +1

    12:15 Actually, the reason many of these kinds of small deer are near extinct are that their skin was used in luxurious gloves, as in one individual had to be killed to make one glove.

    • @hughthompson6781
      @hughthompson6781 2 года назад

      And carpet bombing their habitat with napalm and agent orange probably didn't do a great deal for conservation either.

  • @Andyson986
    @Andyson986 5 лет назад +6

    11:41. Why not just listen to the translations on Google Translate? There's a speaker symbol right beneath the word.

    • @collativelearning
      @collativelearning  5 лет назад +1

      Because I'm short on time ("short" as grunts say), so I just concentrate on the essential information and skip most of the embroidery.

  • @Ian-lx1iz
    @Ian-lx1iz 4 года назад

    (18:18) tiếp tục phụng sụ Quý Ngài is Google translated as 'continue to serve you', possibly meaning 'Shell is continuing to serve you' - OR the closest that Vietnamese can get to 'You can be sure of Shell'?
    (Just mebbe Kubrick had been bunged a wedge of cash by Shell to make his movie. A bit of product placement. Who knows?)

  • @danmorgan3685
    @danmorgan3685 5 лет назад +3

    The poster at 24:00 shows the flag of South Korea. The South Korean government sent thousands of soldiers to fight in the war on the behalf of the US.

    • @MikeMiller-cq7tu
      @MikeMiller-cq7tu 5 лет назад +1

      I was going to say something about that too. The flag is definitely South Korean, not North Korean, and South Korea, along with the Australians, sent combat troops into South Vietnam to support the US

    • @richiemadewell6013
      @richiemadewell6013 4 года назад

      Yup that's the South Korean flag. And South Korea was allied with the US and Australia, not North Korea. I think he misspoke.

  • @clearsmashdrop5829
    @clearsmashdrop5829 4 года назад

    Interesting....youtube is only recommending this to me now. A full year later.

  • @12ealDealOfficial
    @12ealDealOfficial 5 лет назад +8

    Ager
    Kubrick
    Need I say more? Thanks for the content, Rob!

  • @MisterVolts
    @MisterVolts 3 года назад

    6:01 I noticed this goof years ago. From behind the rifleman is a lefty, but when they show him from the front he's right handed.
    Intentional?

  • @davidj.thompson
    @davidj.thompson 5 лет назад +4

    I thought it interesting that the picture of the smiling man in the toothpaste ad looked a lot like the American propaganda cartoons of the Japanese, circa WWII, with the exaggerated teeth.

  • @bogerman9627
    @bogerman9627 2 года назад

    When I put the Shell oil phrase most of the way into the translator it says “continue to spend money”…🤔

  • @hoverpantsz262
    @hoverpantsz262 5 лет назад +4

    cheers rob for looking into kubriks mind

  • @Kerberos2233
    @Kerberos2233 4 года назад

    at 17:25 you can see crème T.... in an early shot you can see that it continues crème thorak.... I am pretty sure that it means crème thorakao which seems to be an acne cream. It kind of ties in with how young the hooker is. At least thats what I make of it

  • @tuoppi42
    @tuoppi42 5 лет назад +10

    Looking at the sniper building, the shape of the hole looks a bit like shape of Texas.

    • @collativelearning
      @collativelearning  5 лет назад +3

      I've heard other say that. Did a comparison of my own and it's vaguely reminiscent, but not close enough for me to be certain of it being intentional.

    • @mikeappleget482
      @mikeappleget482 5 лет назад +4

      Collative Learning And didn’t the guy from Texas die during that scene? “Only steers and queers come from Texas!!” Seems like there may be a connection..

    • @rjcme
      @rjcme 5 лет назад +4

      @@mikeappleget482 Also, both Oswald and Charles Whitman, mentioned by Hartman, committed their crimes in Texas.

    • @august6389
      @august6389 5 лет назад +2

      Only steers and queers come from Texas

    • @mikeappleget482
      @mikeappleget482 5 лет назад +1

      rjcme I forgot about that part. Maybe Kubrick was “mirroring.”

  • @kevins8071
    @kevins8071 5 лет назад

    My mind is blown from the sign being shot down minus the 2 letters around 9 minutes in the video. Kubrick's a genius. And great catch Rob. Love watching you dissect these videos.