I had a pre ordered V2 and now a V3 I have absolutely loved both. Horia puts up with my ridiculous questions and chat whilst producing an amazing brewer.
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Do you notice a big difference between the v2 and v3 brews? I only have the v2 and would not need the bigger size of the v3 but if there is substantial difference between how the two perform I may get the v3 too.
@ heat retention within the V3 is so much better. Doesn't take as much to warm up. It is also so much easier to take off your cup once you have finished as its not boiling hot metal. Orea do a small V3 basically the same size as the V2 if you like that size.
Oh nice! I never tried the earlier versions, but I assume they’ve all been great. Not sure how to move beyond the V3. I’d have to think quite a bit on what I would change or update.
@@Sprometheus it was good but the V3 is definitely better. The V2 was metal so it was hard to get up to heat then if you weren't careful it burnt your finger after you brewed. It's my travel brewer now as it's small and I can only assume even stronger then the V3.
I am using a V3 as my daily driver for filter coffee nowadays. Agree with the points raised such as easy to use, stability and repeatability. The coffee brewed are always tasty and consistent. One of the drippers I really keep on going back to use.
The Orea V3 has quickly turned into my daily dripper. It's a pleasure to use. My recipe: Medium-Coarse grind. 20g of coffee to 360g of water. 1 to 18 ratio. 60g first pour. Bloom for 40 seconds. Second pour 100g. Swirl. Draw down completely. Third pour 100g. Swirl. Draw down completely. Fourth pour 100g. No swirl. Makes a beautiful aromatic brew with plenty of body as well. Loving this Brewer lately.
I was such a dedicated pour over enthusiast for so long. Then a real job and the rush associated with the morning hustle to get out the door. In comes the OXO 8 Cup SCA brewer, brews me a pot of extremely delicious coffee while I get ready, pour it into a 60 ounce travel mug and I have my coffee for the morning. Pour overs are now a weekend thing. I'll have to give the V3 a try for my weekend pours.
Nice video, thanks for your efforts! Orea v3 is also my newest dripper purchase and easily became my favorite in my collection (V60, Kono, Stagg ...). Even get better and more consistent results with Orea's 3D printed negotiator and flat filter paper (steam ironed wave 185 filter, yeah I know but couldn't get my hands on other lab style circled filter paper). Absolutely a winner in my books and highly recommended.
Thanks Ben! And I’m waiting on the negotiator as well, looking forward to trying it out soon. I also saw people folding the Clever style filters into a flat bottom style for the Orea. I haven’t tried it out yet but plan to.
@@Sprometheus The negotiator is great. It makes frilly filters better as well, but the Orea flat filters are great for pushing that extraction even more.
So many tasty cups have been brewed because of this recipe. Thank you, since purchasing this brewer it has become my favorite. I have found that Onyx has a standard V60 that can be applied to this brewer and is pretty consistent.
Unfortunately even that won't work because the spread will be very different for each grinder. The ratio of boulders to fines and whatnot. You still gotta dial in your own grinder. It's not too difficult either
Lol. Grindsize in micron means very little. Grind size distribution matters alot more. Even if the coffee grounds have the same 'average' peaks, they can provide vastly different extraction % and different taste.
@@gray_gogycant i just count micron clicks for example i have a timemore c3esp and each click is 23 microns and i need for a specific brew say 650 microns can’t i just count until I reach around 650
I love and daily use my V3 (I own size 155 and 185) daily since it arrived in mid august (yeah, it took 8 months from preorder to my doorstep). I usually use 12:200 g with 50g bloom & 3x50g pours. Watertemp off boil. On the V3 185 i use up to 15:250g or 17:320g. Compared to the aluminium V2 Mk 1 the V3 has such a great thermal stability!
I've been brewing on my V60 using the 40:60 method; 22 grams of coffee for 300 grams of water, a-bit-finer-than-french-press grind. 1st and 2nd pour is 60 grams, then 180 grams as the third and last pour, it results in great coffee in about 3 minutes.
I think it's important to note that the 3 pour recipe is a pretty common recipe that seems to have found a convergent evolution across multiple cultures of brewing. I see Vibrant's v60 recipe as the same, and many baristas in Asia also use it in their day to day. Personally, I believe that the Orea v3 will have an impact, but the 3 pour recipe has a much larger effect on the final result.
I have a v2 that fits perfectly inside of my travel kettle, along with a micro gas stove and a tiny drug dealer scale with a retractable screen. best road setup ever. I've had some of my favorite cups of coffe at rest stops and campgrounds across the American west.
I’ve been using my V3 for several months now, and always seem to make a great cup. I do enjoy using the negotiator on occasion, but Kalita 185s are also my go-to filter. Either way, I can’t seem to make a bad cup of coffee even if I wanted to.
I’m into my first full week of use of the V3. This dripper is most certainly consistent! It honestly is hard to mess up brewing with it if you halfway know what you’re doing. I had only used the ceramic Hario V60 up till the V3 and comparing between the two is night and day in my opinion. I dialed in my grind size and recipe and I am so pleased with it. The V60 is permanent in the back seat now. Thanks for the video, Sprometheus!
This is encouraging- I’ve been struggling with the Hario V60 and occasionally get a good cup, but I mostly avoid use it because it’s not reliably consistent. Looks like a V3 is in my future!
@@pollykaris6528 orea makes a larger dripper now for bigger doses which I might buy soon. The V3 is still a fantastic option though. It’s 100% worth it.
The V3 is my most used brewer as well! I mostly brew pretty light roasted stuff so I find myself brewing hotter like 208°-212° and this little guy does fantastically. I was planning on making a video about it for my channel too 😊
Well the v4 isn’t out until January, not sure if I’ll get one before. But I’m working on a review for the new Big Boy, v3 mk2 and Glass Type A Orea brewers
@@Sprometheus I've just been reading up on it tonight, seems there's a narrow and wide option, and if you don't pre-order now it's looking like June/July delivery
II just watched a video about the new Ceado Hoop Coffee Brewer. It won an award from the SCA organization in 2023. Wondered if you have heard of it or tried it. If not, would be great to see what you think about it. Thanks
1;20 ratio with the negotiator strikes the perfect balance between sustainability (less coffee bean, more liquid coffee) and taste (heavy bodied with just enough clarity and sweetness)
Glad to hear that! And as someone who leans heavily on espresso this one hits the right notes for me when I go hard on puck prep and the details on that and want something simpler.
I’ve appreciated using the Aeropress grounds funnel with my Kalita 155 since it is also smol. Keeps the workflow nice and clean, and might work well for the Orea too.
Thanks for the video! I’m using the St Anthony Ind.’s flat bottom and loving it. Now I’m putting the Orea on my list of next items to try out. Nice to see some local SD roasters keep showing up in your vids!
The Oreo v3 is my to go to dripper too. I always found flat bottom drippers are more consistent that their v60 inspired cousins. The Oreo is pretty much a plastic version of a Torch Mountain dripper. Which I also have among the dozen others in my kitchen.
You should try the Kono Meimon, it's imo the most consistent conical dripper. The low ridges allow partial bypass as the partially extracted water go through the coffee bed and the smooth top doesn't let the water bypass before it hits the bed. It's been my daily dripper for months.
@@owenhu9465 Included in my dripper collection is a Tetsu Kasuya Model v60 which has lower ridges than a standard v60 and I can make good coffee with it. I am guessing it dials in similar to a Kono Meimon. With the lower ridges I do have grind finer, or it chokes. Once it I get dial in, I do get decent cups. I noticed this too that when I go to Japan, a lot of shops don't even use v60s. I see a lot more Kono Meimon. I believer that with almost any dripper you can make good coffee, it is just a matter of dialing it in.
Dang it, I really don't need another brewer, but now I want this one. I love my V60 but must admit it's not always easy to dial in. Pouring technique makes a big difference too, which can be fun to experiment with but also adds variability.
Great video, you convinced me to try the Orea v3 (KyleR likes it too); however, I have been using the April v2 which i think is made of the same plastic, and it appears to have many similarities with Orea. My preference is to brew 300ml with 20.0g dose (1:15) slightly "stronger", ground with Comandante c40 at 27 or 28 clicks. you mention 650u would be about 22 clicks. Exactly what you like with Orea is what I like with April v2. And now eager to try Orea v3. Thanks 😃
I’m a bit worn out from all the pour over options at this point. My last two purchases were the April brewer v3 and the Hario Mugen which are my go to right now. I also have a Kalita wave and a V60 but I don’t use them as much because they seem to stall more. I’m using either a Lido E or Niche for the grinder so I might have more fines. Btw I see we might be getting another roasting video soon. Quick question if you don’t mind, how long can we store raw coffee at home before it’s no good? I have some raw coffee from about a year ago which I suspect is probably past its prime in terms of flavor.
Yeah the pour over drippers are coming out at a pretty high rate, so I get that. Honestly, I’ve found very little stalling on the V3 so it may be worth it, would likely be able to retire the Kalita and V60. We will indeed be getting some roasting goodness soon. The rule of thumb is after a coffee hits one year it’s “past crop”. But there are a lot of ways coffee can be preserved. It will last longer in a grainpro (plastic bag) and also somewhere that is temperature controlled, even a freezer. Overtime it will lose moisture content, absorb the odors around too. So there is no hard and fast rule. The best way to test it is to roast it and see how it tastes.
I use the V2 regularly. I think it’s a far superior looking brewer to the V3, but likely the V3 produces better results. Still love my V2, as it’s a conversation starter and produces great cups. I just use a higher temp to combat thermal loss in the aluminum.
I have an Orea v3 that I've really enjoyed using. I got mine with flat 185mm filters and liked two things about them: 1) the ritual of using the (3D-printed) folding tool, and 2) the no-bypass seal. I don't have a coffee refractometer, but it made some dang good coffee...until I ran out of filter paper. I'm back to Hario v60, 5-pours of ~80g for a 400ml cup using 25g, while I chase a filter solution. I bought a small pack of medium flow as a departure point, and will give them to a chemist friend as they are way too slow. Anyone have recommendations for fast flat 185mm filter paper akin to what they were shipping last spring? I emailed them, but no response and they're in the UK, making mail times and costs tough for a US customer.
Aside your always improving video quality the sound quality directly hit me !!1 😍 As I'm coming from tea, I love tinkering with my Pro600 but SproOvers catched me immediately
Trying Orea for the first time, but noticing that the water level goes really slow and I end up having all water drained by 3:30 instead of 2:20, I think it’s due to grind size, would appreciate any advice on how to get it right, please!
Also started using one of these more recently… have you noticed any differences between brewing with and without the use of the negotiator tool? Funnily enough, I haven’t thought to not use it, just took it as a given that it should be used
Could you explain the benefits of using the apparatus that hold the brewer/dripper few inches above the carafe versus putting the dripper directly on top of the carafe?
I've been using the Next Level which you reviewed and liked as well. Consistency is quite good with that device too. How would you compare that to the Orea? Curious why Orea would be your daily driver over something like Next Level
I’m from UK and just got mine delivered today and brewed with it . The brewer it’s very nice and in my humble opinion, it brews a little bit better that Kalita , sweet and silky cup of a really good coffee plus you can brew with finer grind sizes. I got the one limited edition (championship) BASALT MATE BLACK 155 + ACID GLOSSY base for £37 GBP expensive but super gorgeous, my first go to everywhere. Hmmmm , I’m thinking to get a frosty edition one now 🤔🤭 It’s the one Matteo D’ Ottavio used in his brewing championship used and developed with Orea founder .
@@Sprometheus thank you. It's a really cool glass. The carafe is cool too, but wish it was just a little bigger, since my normal brew is 450g (then again, 25g is probably still in the grounds...)
What’s your reasoning behind letting the 2nd pour drain to near bed level before pouring the final 100ml? Just trial and error or do you have some intuition as to why it’s better than keeping the water level high?
I found that a got a slightly higher extraction when I went that route, not sure exactly the reason but I think it could just be the added agitation that close to the bed.
@@Sprometheus Here's a theory, and the reason I do multiple pours and let it drain almost out between pours... It doesn't take long for the water to become completely saturated and unable to extract anything more from the grind. So I always want to be allowing the saturated water to clear out and adding fresh water with the capacity to keep extracting.
Good review! How is the kalita paper sitting in the brewer? any inconsistency when it comes to how the 155 filter warps during pre-wetting and brewing?
Thanks! I’ve had no issues with the filters causing any issues, but I try to be very gentle with it when rinsing to avoid collapsing or warping the walls.
@@Sprometheus Nice to hear. I put like a tablespoon of water in the kalita filter before I start heating water, after a couple of minutes the water has soaked up in the filter, and so then the filter holds it shape when preheating the brewer. But while brewing the filter sometimes saggs a bit in the kalita.
I use a long continous pour in the kalita 185. Finishing around 3 minutes. Will this work for the orea v3 or will it choke? Tried it with the april brewer but that choked up..
You may already have mentioned this before but I’m new here…where did you get that black metal pour over stand that looks straight out of chemistry lab? Thanks!
Yeah that’s the Timemore Black Mirror 2. It’s more than a stand and scale, pretty much a chemistry tool as it measures a bunch of stuff, including flow rate.
How does it fare with higher brew weights? I tend to stick with a Chemex or larger v60 just because it's the easiest way I've found to make enough for two cups. Also I wanna know all about that Roest behind you! I've used the IKAWA Pro pretty extensively for sample roasting but that Roest machine is the first thing that's made me really want to upgrade
Hi! Love this video. Have you tried this recipe for larger brews? I love the v3 for consistency but have been cautious going larger - which I often need for a post workout cup at work).
The stand is built into the scale, which measures both the water hitting the dripper but also the water that ends up in the decanter, this allows it to also measure the flow rate as you pour.
If you have problems or questions with the roest you can join our discord or dm on ig. The brewer support while it looks really cool, it tilts a bit to the right how you look at it. That will influence a bit how the water flows in the coffee bed. Dont take it personal, please, in the end you do what you like.
I'm in the market for a brewer to take to work with me and have been unsure if pourover is suitable given how often care is given to things like temperature and consistent flow from the kettle. Do you think the Orea might be forgiving enough for a just boiled kettle with no gooseneck? Any other office suggestions more subtle in flavour than a french press?
It’s been a minute since I’ve seen a pour over brew online. I’m personally alternating between a V60 and the Aeropress (I know not technically a pour over). I’ve never tried a flat bottomed brewer. What am I missing?
For me, anecdotally anyway, flat bottom Brewers are easier to get quality extractions from because the bed is flat, and for me they tend to produce higher body than a V shaped filter.
I find it that simple, but like I said your grinder can be big player in that. If you want a truly simple but very easy cup I always recommend going immersion. Aeropress, Clever or a Switch
How do you think this compares to other flat bottom brewers? I’m currently primarily using a stagg x and I was wondering if the brews this produces are going to be different enough to the point where it might be worth purchasing.
I have done some side by sides, considering doing a full head to head video in the future. In compared to the Stagg, which I think still gets a high quality brew, and I would say is probably the closest competition, the Orea eeks out the edge in temperature stability, and more forgiving when it comes to grind size. Which is nice when swapping coffees. A lot less fuss when it comes to dialing in, and potential stalling.
Really depends on the burrs. On the Obsydian I was doing pour overs at about one full rotation + 10 and on Moonshine about 5 less than one full rotation.
I honestly don't own a pour-over brewer. I use an old Chemex metal & plastic filter and a Mason jar; it's a terrible setup for consistency and wouldn't recommend it if that's your thing hahaha In the very rare circumstances that I want "coffee" instead of espresso I'll use the Bodum stove top siphon brewer. Admitting this makes me feel super uncool, but it is what it is and I'm not a huge fan of paper filters 😯
It's a lot of fun and has a lot of the great qualities of both immersion and percolation; traditional cloth filters are best if taken care of but if you're not using it often they make metal ones that work just fine. I'd say the major drawbacks would be that cleaning is a little involved relative to other, more popular, methods and that it can be tricky to nail your ratios with the small amount of water that always stays behind. It's great for making a pot of filter coffee for 2-4 people (I guess depending on the size of brewer you have) that is both approachable and complex; easier than making everyone a pour-over and a fun thing for guests to be curious about. I like to make a small pot for myself every now and again, too, if I have something super fancy just to see how it fares as a filter brew. I dunno if I'd necessarily recommend them to people, but siphons are great for eccentric coffee nerds lol. I think you'd have fun playing around with one for sure lol
I used to use kalita or an origami as my daily driver till the day I got my v3. It’s as you mentioned easy to dial in and gives brilliant extractions. My only qualm is fitting the filters. Once the small size of kalita filters are over, the bigger ones tend to irate a lot. While trying to preheat one or the other ridge juts out like the Grand Canyon which just feels awkward and difficult to manoeuvre. Do you have any suggestions for the filter papers for orea?
Lower temp tends to provide more body and sweetness for me. Had it been negatively effecting the taste or extraction I would’ve upped it, but saw no need.
Spro : posts a new exciting new dripper. Me : Immediately typed OREA in my country's most popular online marketplace. Me : Sees nothing. Me : Disappointed. Back to my Kalita Wave.
Bummer! I know they have had some delays in production as of late. Not sure if that’s the case, or if they aren’t shipping everywhere. You may be able to get it direct, they’re based in the UK.
What I hate about this brewer is the fact that now its like they took notes from Electronic Arts and sell everything separately. From the brewer to the base and then the proprietary filters and the negotiator. Since its a hot potato, most of the parts are out of stock and I don’f really feel like scouring the internet for every single part. I would love it if Orea sold everything in a pack like most companies do. Until then, I’m sticking with my Wave 185.
Orea V4 is too pricey. It's not a bargain if you don’t want the other bottoms. I prefer just this stand bottom rather chasing down a rabbit hole of some kind of chemistry set, ever in search of something. I would prefer the wider V4 over the V3, it's more like my Blue Bottle dripper. Should get a slight slower drip.
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I have a v3 as well and love it... I have tried most other brewers and keep coming back to the Orea v3. It produces a fantastic cup of coffee.
That’s a fact! It’s an easy win, very little risk and high rewards!
I had a pre ordered V2 and now a V3 I have absolutely loved both. Horia puts up with my ridiculous questions and chat whilst producing an amazing brewer.
Do you notice a big difference between the v2 and v3 brews? I only have the v2 and would not need the bigger size of the v3 but if there is substantial difference between how the two perform I may get the v3 too.
@ heat retention within the V3 is so much better. Doesn't take as much to warm up. It is also so much easier to take off your cup once you have finished as its not boiling hot metal. Orea do a small V3 basically the same size as the V2 if you like that size.
Oh nice! I never tried the earlier versions, but I assume they’ve all been great. Not sure how to move beyond the V3. I’d have to think quite a bit on what I would change or update.
@@Sprometheus it was good but the V3 is definitely better. The V2 was metal so it was hard to get up to heat then if you weren't careful it burnt your finger after you brewed. It's my travel brewer now as it's small and I can only assume even stronger then the V3.
I am using a V3 as my daily driver for filter coffee nowadays. Agree with the points raised such as easy to use, stability and repeatability.
The coffee brewed are always tasty and consistent.
One of the drippers I really keep on going back to use.
The Orea V3 has quickly turned into my daily dripper. It's a pleasure to use.
My recipe:
Medium-Coarse grind.
20g of coffee to 360g of water. 1 to 18 ratio.
60g first pour. Bloom for 40 seconds.
Second pour 100g. Swirl. Draw down completely.
Third pour 100g. Swirl. Draw down completely.
Fourth pour 100g. No swirl.
Makes a beautiful aromatic brew with plenty of body as well. Loving this Brewer lately.
I was such a dedicated pour over enthusiast for so long. Then a real job and the rush associated with the morning hustle to get out the door. In comes the OXO 8 Cup SCA brewer, brews me a pot of extremely delicious coffee while I get ready, pour it into a 60 ounce travel mug and I have my coffee for the morning. Pour overs are now a weekend thing. I'll have to give the V3 a try for my weekend pours.
Nice video, thanks for your efforts!
Orea v3 is also my newest dripper purchase and easily became my favorite in my collection (V60, Kono, Stagg ...).
Even get better and more consistent results with Orea's 3D printed negotiator and flat filter paper (steam ironed wave 185 filter, yeah I know but couldn't get my hands on other lab style circled filter paper).
Absolutely a winner in my books and highly recommended.
Thanks Ben! And I’m waiting on the negotiator as well, looking forward to trying it out soon. I also saw people folding the Clever style filters into a flat bottom style for the Orea. I haven’t tried it out yet but plan to.
@@Sprometheus The negotiator is great. It makes frilly filters better as well, but the Orea flat filters are great for pushing that extraction even more.
So many tasty cups have been brewed because of this recipe. Thank you, since purchasing this brewer it has become my favorite. I have found that Onyx has a standard V60 that can be applied to this brewer and is pretty consistent.
Finally, a brew method mentioning microns... a measurement everyone can apply to whatever grinder they're using!
Unfortunately even that won't work because the spread will be very different for each grinder. The ratio of boulders to fines and whatnot. You still gotta dial in your own grinder. It's not too difficult either
If you sift!
650 microns is around 22 clix on the comandante. Each click will move you around 30 microns.
Hope that helps somewhat.
Lol. Grindsize in micron means very little.
Grind size distribution matters alot more.
Even if the coffee grounds have the same 'average' peaks, they can provide vastly different extraction % and different taste.
@@gray_gogycant i just count micron clicks for example i have a timemore c3esp and each click is 23 microns and i need for a specific brew say 650 microns can’t i just count until I reach around 650
I love and daily use my V3 (I own size 155 and 185) daily since it arrived in mid august (yeah, it took 8 months from preorder to my doorstep).
I usually use 12:200 g with 50g bloom & 3x50g pours. Watertemp off boil. On the V3 185 i use up to 15:250g or 17:320g.
Compared to the aluminium V2 Mk 1 the V3 has such a great thermal stability!
I've been brewing on my V60 using the 40:60 method; 22 grams of coffee for 300 grams of water, a-bit-finer-than-french-press grind. 1st and 2nd pour is 60 grams, then 180 grams as the third and last pour, it results in great coffee in about 3 minutes.
I think it's important to note that the 3 pour recipe is a pretty common recipe that seems to have found a convergent evolution across multiple cultures of brewing. I see Vibrant's v60 recipe as the same, and many baristas in Asia also use it in their day to day. Personally, I believe that the Orea v3 will have an impact, but the 3 pour recipe has a much larger effect on the final result.
I have a v2 that fits perfectly inside of my travel kettle, along with a micro gas stove and a tiny drug dealer scale with a retractable screen. best road setup ever. I've had some of my favorite cups of coffe at rest stops and campgrounds across the American west.
Haha that’s awesome. Gotta love a compact but effective travel setup!
Exactly what I'm looking for. Nice video. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you my friend!
Please review the Orea V4.
Glad I saw this video! I was just about to pull the trigger on a second conical dripper but this swayed me to the Orea. Thanks!
"a damned fine cup of coffee". You go agent Cooper!
I love that show. I need to rewatch it again. Been a few years
I’ve been using my V3 for several months now, and always seem to make a great cup. I do enjoy using the negotiator on occasion, but Kalita 185s are also my go-to filter. Either way, I can’t seem to make a bad cup of coffee even if I wanted to.
Thank you my friend.
Of course! Cheers!
I’m into my first full week of use of the V3. This dripper is most certainly consistent! It honestly is hard to mess up brewing with it if you halfway know what you’re doing. I had only used the ceramic Hario V60 up till the V3 and comparing between the two is night and day in my opinion. I dialed in my grind size and recipe and I am so pleased with it. The V60 is permanent in the back seat now. Thanks for the video, Sprometheus!
This is encouraging- I’ve been struggling with the Hario V60 and occasionally get a good cup, but I mostly avoid use it because it’s not reliably consistent. Looks like a V3 is in my future!
@@pollykaris6528 orea makes a larger dripper now for bigger doses which I might buy soon. The V3 is still a fantastic option though. It’s 100% worth it.
Tried your recipe this morning. Well done. Good cup.
love this more face to face relaxing type of video. Especially on the weekend ! Thanks for the recipe
The V3 is my most used brewer as well! I mostly brew pretty light roasted stuff so I find myself brewing hotter like 208°-212° and this little guy does fantastically. I was planning on making a video about it for my channel too 😊
Please can you review the v4 out soon?
Well the v4 isn’t out until January, not sure if I’ll get one before. But I’m working on a review for the new Big Boy, v3 mk2 and Glass Type A Orea brewers
@@Sprometheus I've just been reading up on it tonight, seems there's a narrow and wide option, and if you don't pre-order now it's looking like June/July delivery
II just watched a video about the new Ceado Hoop Coffee Brewer. It won an award from the SCA organization in 2023. Wondered if you have heard of it or tried it. If not, would be great to see what you think about it. Thanks
1;20 ratio with the negotiator strikes the perfect balance between sustainability (less coffee bean, more liquid coffee) and taste (heavy bodied with just enough clarity and sweetness)
Great microphone upgrade, sounds super HD, thanks!
Hmm. You have rekindle an interest in pour-over. The simplicity sounds refreshing (sorry, no pun intended). Thank you, and take care
Glad to hear that! And as someone who leans heavily on espresso this one hits the right notes for me when I go hard on puck prep and the details on that and want something simpler.
I’ve appreciated using the Aeropress grounds funnel with my Kalita 155 since it is also smol. Keeps the workflow nice and clean, and might work well for the Orea too.
Thanks for the video! I’m using the St Anthony Ind.’s flat bottom and loving it. Now I’m putting the Orea on my list of next items to try out. Nice to see some local SD roasters keep showing up in your vids!
4 years of V60. I think, thanks to you, I will try the V3. Let's see!
The Oreo v3 is my to go to dripper too. I always found flat bottom drippers are more consistent that their v60 inspired cousins. The Oreo is pretty much a plastic version of a Torch Mountain dripper. Which I also have among the dozen others in my kitchen.
You should try the Kono Meimon, it's imo the most consistent conical dripper. The low ridges allow partial bypass as the partially extracted water go through the coffee bed and the smooth top doesn't let the water bypass before it hits the bed. It's been my daily dripper for months.
@@owenhu9465 Included in my dripper collection is a Tetsu Kasuya Model v60 which has lower ridges than a standard v60 and I can make good coffee with it. I am guessing it dials in similar to a Kono Meimon. With the lower ridges I do have grind finer, or it chokes. Once it I get dial in, I do get decent cups.
I noticed this too that when I go to Japan, a lot of shops don't even use v60s. I see a lot more Kono Meimon.
I believer that with almost any dripper you can make good coffee, it is just a matter of dialing it in.
Excellent, thank you
Did I see a logom mini?
How well does it scale over 300g? Can you make a 500g coffee for two people?
Dang it, I really don't need another brewer, but now I want this one. I love my V60 but must admit it's not always easy to dial in. Pouring technique makes a big difference too, which can be fun to experiment with but also adds variability.
Great video, you convinced me to try the Orea v3 (KyleR likes it too); however, I have been using the April v2 which i think is made of the same plastic, and it appears to have many similarities with Orea. My preference is to brew 300ml with 20.0g dose (1:15) slightly "stronger", ground with Comandante c40 at 27 or 28 clicks. you mention 650u would be about 22 clicks. Exactly what you like with Orea is what I like with April v2. And now eager to try Orea v3. Thanks 😃
Any more info on using the Weiss Distrobution tool for the stir? Interesting concept that i'd like to learn more about.
what is the stand that you use to set the drippers on? really would like to get one to use whatever size vessel underneath
I’m a bit worn out from all the pour over options at this point. My last two purchases were the April brewer v3 and the Hario Mugen which are my go to right now. I also have a Kalita wave and a V60 but I don’t use them as much because they seem to stall more. I’m using either a Lido E or Niche for the grinder so I might have more fines.
Btw I see we might be getting another roasting video soon. Quick question if you don’t mind, how long can we store raw coffee at home before it’s no good?
I have some raw coffee from about a year ago which I suspect is probably past its prime in terms of flavor.
Yeah the pour over drippers are coming out at a pretty high rate, so I get that. Honestly, I’ve found very little stalling on the V3 so it may be worth it, would likely be able to retire the Kalita and V60.
We will indeed be getting some roasting goodness soon. The rule of thumb is after a coffee hits one year it’s “past crop”. But there are a lot of ways coffee can be preserved. It will last longer in a grainpro (plastic bag) and also somewhere that is temperature controlled, even a freezer.
Overtime it will lose moisture content, absorb the odors around too. So there is no hard and fast rule. The best way to test it is to roast it and see how it tastes.
hi,
have you tested/played with the negociator and no-bypass filter since then?
thx and cheers
I use the V2 regularly. I think it’s a far superior looking brewer to the V3, but likely the V3 produces better results. Still love my V2, as it’s a conversation starter and produces great cups. I just use a higher temp to combat thermal loss in the aluminum.
Thanks for the video,
Could you please tell me what kind of coffee beans are good for pur over or V60 ?🙏
Love it! Simplicity FTW brother 👌🏻👌🏻
Have you tried the other filters and the negotiator tool and does that aid in greater extraction?
Hi, thanks for another great video. Does the Orea V3 come in different sizes, if so, which are you using?
Large
is there any water profile you usually use? did you find differences in brew time depending of the water?
Thank you for this video. I've ordered and now used an Orea V3 for about a week now. Fantastic results!
Did you try the special filters and the negotiator thingy??
I have an Orea v3 that I've really enjoyed using. I got mine with flat 185mm filters and liked two things about them: 1) the ritual of using the (3D-printed) folding tool, and 2) the no-bypass seal. I don't have a coffee refractometer, but it made some dang good coffee...until I ran out of filter paper. I'm back to Hario v60, 5-pours of ~80g for a 400ml cup using 25g, while I chase a filter solution. I bought a small pack of medium flow as a departure point, and will give them to a chemist friend as they are way too slow. Anyone have recommendations for fast flat 185mm filter paper akin to what they were shipping last spring? I emailed them, but no response and they're in the UK, making mail times and costs tough for a US customer.
Aside your always improving video quality the sound quality directly hit me !!1 😍 As I'm coming from tea, I love tinkering with my Pro600 but SproOvers catched me immediately
How would this compare to the Fellow Stagg X. It has a flat bottom, several holes and insulated steel body. I don’t like the idea of using plastic.
Trying Orea for the first time, but noticing that the water level goes really slow and I end up having all water drained by 3:30 instead of 2:20, I think it’s due to grind size, would appreciate any advice on how to get it right, please!
Also started using one of these more recently… have you noticed any differences between brewing with and without the use of the negotiator tool? Funnily enough, I haven’t thought to not use it, just took it as a given that it should be used
What is the name of that dripper stand? Thank you!
Could you explain the benefits of using the apparatus that hold the brewer/dripper few inches above the carafe versus putting the dripper directly on top of the carafe?
There is a fixed scale attached to a holder of a dripper under a carafe hence a separation.
@@proudbacteria1373 that is the case but that doesn’t explain the need for a suspension. You can use a scale regardless
I've been using the Next Level which you reviewed and liked as well. Consistency is quite good with that device too. How would you compare that to the Orea? Curious why Orea would be your daily driver over something like Next Level
Thinking of buying an orea v3. Should I get a 185 or 155?
I’m from UK and just got mine delivered today and brewed with it . The brewer it’s very nice and in my humble opinion, it brews a little bit better that Kalita , sweet and silky cup of a really good coffee plus you can brew with finer grind sizes.
I got the one limited edition (championship) BASALT MATE BLACK 155 + ACID GLOSSY base for £37 GBP expensive but super gorgeous, my first go to everywhere.
Hmmmm , I’m thinking to get a frosty edition one now 🤔🤭
It’s the one Matteo D’ Ottavio used in his brewing championship used and developed with Orea founder .
Nice! Need to get one. What’s behind the choice of temp? Why not go up to 97?
What's that bell-shaped glass? 🤩
Ooh, that’s also from Orea. It’s their Sense line of glassware.
@@Sprometheus thank you. It's a really cool glass. The carafe is cool too, but wish it was just a little bigger, since my normal brew is 450g (then again, 25g is probably still in the grounds...)
Like to see this with the April filter papers.
I was actually just going to get a v60... but I think I might have a new option to consider :)
What’s your reasoning behind letting the 2nd pour drain to near bed level before pouring the final 100ml? Just trial and error or do you have some intuition as to why it’s better than keeping the water level high?
I found that a got a slightly higher extraction when I went that route, not sure exactly the reason but I think it could just be the added agitation that close to the bed.
Ah could be.. just want a recipe that makes somewhat intuitive sense in my head so I have some idea what to adjust. Thanks!
@@Sprometheus Here's a theory, and the reason I do multiple pours and let it drain almost out between pours... It doesn't take long for the water to become completely saturated and unable to extract anything more from the grind. So I always want to be allowing the saturated water to clear out and adding fresh water with the capacity to keep extracting.
Really enjoying the Orea V3! I see you used the Option O Lagom Mini, what grind setting do you use?
Nice! Glad to hear that. On the Mini I’m using the Moonshine burrs, so I’m grinding one full rotation plus about 10-15 notches from the zero point.
@@Sprometheus Great! Can’t wait to try it. Thank you!
Which pour over dripper stand is that?
How it compares to Stagg [X]?
Good review! How is the kalita paper sitting in the brewer? any inconsistency when it comes to how the 155 filter warps during pre-wetting and brewing?
Thanks! I’ve had no issues with the filters causing any issues, but I try to be very gentle with it when rinsing to avoid collapsing or warping the walls.
@@Sprometheus Nice to hear.
I put like a tablespoon of water in the kalita filter before I start heating water, after a couple of minutes the water has soaked up in the filter, and so then the filter holds it shape when preheating the brewer. But while brewing the filter sometimes saggs a bit in the kalita.
I'm planning on buying the timemore kettle, what are your thought about it ? how long have u had it for ?
Have you found any good recipes using flat paper or cafec trapezoid paper?
I use a long continous pour in the kalita 185. Finishing around 3 minutes. Will this work for the orea v3 or will it choke? Tried it with the april brewer but that choked up..
You may already have mentioned this before but I’m new here…where did you get that black metal pour over stand that looks straight out of chemistry lab? Thanks!
Yeah that’s the Timemore Black Mirror 2. It’s more than a stand and scale, pretty much a chemistry tool as it measures a bunch of stuff, including flow rate.
@@Sprometheus Thank you! I’ll check it out!
How does it fare with higher brew weights? I tend to stick with a Chemex or larger v60 just because it's the easiest way I've found to make enough for two cups.
Also I wanna know all about that Roest behind you! I've used the IKAWA Pro pretty extensively for sample roasting but that Roest machine is the first thing that's made me really want to upgrade
does anyone know what scale he is using at 4:00?
That’s the Timemore Black Mirror 2
@@Sprometheus thanks!
Hi! Love this video. Have you tried this recipe for larger brews? I love the v3 for consistency but have been cautious going larger - which I often need for a post workout cup at work).
Is the drip stand standing on the scale? How do you weigh the water
The stand is built into the scale, which measures both the water hitting the dripper but also the water that ends up in the decanter, this allows it to also measure the flow rate as you pour.
If you have problems or questions with the roest you can join our discord or dm on ig. The brewer support while it looks really cool, it tilts a bit to the right how you look at it. That will influence a bit how the water flows in the coffee bed. Dont take it personal, please, in the end you do what you like.
The tilt isn’t the brewer. It’s the stand. I think I just need to find a way to shim it.
I'm in the market for a brewer to take to work with me and have been unsure if pourover is suitable given how often care is given to things like temperature and consistent flow from the kettle. Do you think the Orea might be forgiving enough for a just boiled kettle with no gooseneck? Any other office suggestions more subtle in flavour than a french press?
Why would you choose Orea (Bypass) over Hario switch ? I'm just curious.
It’s been a minute since I’ve seen a pour over brew online. I’m personally alternating between a V60 and the Aeropress (I know not technically a pour over). I’ve never tried a flat bottomed brewer. What am I missing?
For me, anecdotally anyway, flat bottom
Brewers are easier to get quality extractions from because the bed is flat, and for me they tend to produce higher body than a V shaped filter.
Interesting. I might have to give one a try
Is it really that simple? Just get a medium ish grind and boom. Great cup? This may be what I need.
I find it that simple, but like I said your grinder can be big player in that. If you want a truly simple but very easy cup I always recommend going immersion. Aeropress, Clever or a Switch
@@Sprometheus well I already do have an Aeropress and a switch lol. Thanks!
NPR voice coming from that closer mic!
How do you think this compares to other flat bottom brewers? I’m currently primarily using a stagg x and I was wondering if the brews this produces are going to be different enough to the point where it might be worth purchasing.
I have done some side by sides, considering doing a full head to head video in the future. In compared to the Stagg, which I think still gets a high quality brew, and I would say is probably the closest competition, the Orea eeks out the edge in temperature stability, and more forgiving when it comes to grind size. Which is nice when swapping coffees. A lot less fuss when it comes to dialing in, and potential stalling.
What is the typical lagom mini grind range for pour over?
Really depends on the burrs. On the Obsydian I was doing pour overs at about one full rotation + 10 and on Moonshine about 5 less than one full rotation.
I honestly don't own a pour-over brewer. I use an old Chemex metal & plastic filter and a Mason jar; it's a terrible setup for consistency and wouldn't recommend it if that's your thing hahaha
In the very rare circumstances that I want "coffee" instead of espresso I'll use the Bodum stove top siphon brewer.
Admitting this makes me feel super uncool, but it is what it is and I'm not a huge fan of paper filters 😯
Haha siphon is the for hardcore! I haven’t don’t one at home, and I haven’t brewed one in years. Could be fun though.
It's a lot of fun and has a lot of the great qualities of both immersion and percolation; traditional cloth filters are best if taken care of but if you're not using it often they make metal ones that work just fine. I'd say the major drawbacks would be that cleaning is a little involved relative to other, more popular, methods and that it can be tricky to nail your ratios with the small amount of water that always stays behind. It's great for making a pot of filter coffee for 2-4 people (I guess depending on the size of brewer you have) that is both approachable and complex; easier than making everyone a pour-over and a fun thing for guests to be curious about. I like to make a small pot for myself every now and again, too, if I have something super fancy just to see how it fares as a filter brew.
I dunno if I'd necessarily recommend them to people, but siphons are great for eccentric coffee nerds lol. I think you'd have fun playing around with one for sure lol
What pour over stand is that?
That is the Timemore Black Mirror 2. It’s a stand but also a dual scale. Shows also your flow rate. Pretty cool, I’ll be talking more about that soon.
Anyone can tell me where to buy it? Thanks
Depends on your country. In the US the distributor is slowpoursupply.co
I used to use kalita or an origami as my daily driver till the day I got my v3. It’s as you mentioned easy to dial in and gives brilliant extractions. My only qualm is fitting the filters. Once the small size of kalita filters are over, the bigger ones tend to irate a lot. While trying to preheat one or the other ridge juts out like the Grand Canyon which just feels awkward and difficult to manoeuvre.
Do you have any suggestions for the filter papers for orea?
Curious what setting you'd use with P64+SSP MPs?
It's cute but I don't use mine, much prefer hybrid brewers like the switch or clever.
hey! what's the scale you're using?
TIMEMORE scale
Bit of a shame that this brewer appears to be widely unavailable for purchase
3:33 "full recipe is written out in the description"
well that was a lie
Ooops, got lost in the shuffle. I’ll get that updated.
Why such a low water temp? The slurry temp will probably be much lower than 200F.
Lower temp tends to provide more body and sweetness for me. Had it been negatively effecting the taste or extraction I would’ve upped it, but saw no need.
I would be really interested to see a review of the Blue Bottle dripper! I don’t see it a lot in the discussion of flat bottom brewers.
Dude, what's with the "Isaac Hayes/Barry White" audio mix?
I see "coffee" but hear "chocolate salty balls"
Spro : posts a new exciting new dripper.
Me : Immediately typed OREA in my country's most popular online marketplace.
Me : Sees nothing.
Me : Disappointed.
Back to my Kalita Wave.
Bummer! I know they have had some delays in production as of late. Not sure if that’s the case, or if they aren’t shipping everywhere. You may be able to get it direct, they’re based in the UK.
What I hate about this brewer is the fact that now its like they took notes from Electronic Arts and sell everything separately. From the brewer to the base and then the proprietary filters and the negotiator. Since its a hot potato, most of the parts are out of stock and I don’f really feel like scouring the internet for every single part. I would love it if Orea sold everything in a pack like most companies do. Until then, I’m sticking with my Wave 185.
Honestly, I can't even order one. frustrating.
Yeah I guess they’ve been having some delays in production. I think in the US Slow Pour Supply has some in stock.
Sadly I'm not from the US, and they don't even ship to Israel 🦆😓
🙏🙏🙏🙏
Orea V4 is too pricey. It's not a bargain if you don’t want the other bottoms.
I prefer just this stand bottom rather chasing down a rabbit hole of some kind of chemistry set, ever in search of something.
I would prefer the wider V4 over the V3, it's more like my Blue Bottle dripper.
Should get a slight slower drip.
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