A 10 Million dollar robot falling to pieces because no one factored in how it was supposed to navigate a stairwell is EXACTLY how software development works in the real world. Give the customer a chance to put in their own time, they put 9:65, and the whole system crashes. OCP is exactly the kind of company that would either not bother with QA, or oursource it to somewhere irrelevant, all to cut costs (while of course showering themselves will million dollar bonuses year on end).
I’m actually Tom Noonan’s assistant (and an avid RLM watcher) so I was very excited to see this!!!! I’ll let Tom know how much you guys liked Cain, but I’ll leave out the part about him having a big head. Nice to see his work appreciated so many years later :)
Tom Noonan is a great character actor! He was in an episode of The X-Files called Paper Hearts that I really love, and he was really good, very intimidating and strange, in the 12 Monkeys series. Always a treat when I'm watching something and he shows up.
The scene where Robocop is given hundreds of nonsense directives becomes especially hilarious once you read what they say: "247. Don't run through puddles and splash pedestrians or other cars." "250. Don't walk across a ball room floor swinging your arms." "262. Avoid Orion meetings."
I don't understand how they were discussing "things you can do for a sequel" and failed to realize that Robocop 2 fits another very common one, "The main character has to fight an evil version of themself"
I know the RoboCop: Prime Directives mini series explored this with the evil one being his old partner and is clad in black chrome armor and has two guns.
Imagine if the producers had gone with "the main character travels back to medieval times", or "the main characters are recast except for the comedy sidekick".
The final fight between Robocop and Caine is a violently epic saga in and of itself. I felt like I went on a journey by the time it was over. It starts in the auditorium, into the hallways, the elevator, off the top of the building, into the sewers/pipe room, chaotic shootout in the street, and ends with Robocop ripping the other guys brains out and smashing it into the concrete. A masterful inter-splicing between RL action and stop motion puppetry.
For my money, the Cain fight at the end is the best stop motion work ever put to film. It feels like it has HEFT and it looks virtually seamless - even very good stop motion kinda always LOOKS like stop motion work, but the Cain robot at times you could tell someone “That’s CGI” and they’d believe it.
In Miller's script, that fight was just Robocop. You see, in his script Robocop 2 isn't just a title of a new Robocop, it's an upgrade for Murphy and he's forced to share his Robo-head w/another brain, that of Cain, the criminal. So, at some point, they end up fighting each other...except they're in the SAME body. On the page, I recall it reading as pretty amazing, but they pulled that out...and they added the kid (NOT Miller's idea -- not that I care; he's an a-hole these days).
RoboCop 2 is probably way ahead of its time because its satire is very focused on the business side of Hollywood filmmaking. The film kicks off with multiple failed attempts to recreate RoboCop, leading to a series of events culminating in the creation of RoboCop 2, which isn't as good as the original because they put all their focus on creating something bigger and more expensive without really considering the internal contradictions involved in going with this direction. In parallel to this there's a push to render Murphy (and by extension the franchise) more marketable and suitable for children, paralleling the real life way that the franchise was being handled by the studio and satirising Hollywood studios' use of focus testing over trusting in the artistic vision of the creative team. The film makes a point of involving a child character as a prominent antagonist to juxtapose just how inappropriate it is to market RoboCop to that audience. As much as it's not really as good as the first one, I do really appreciate how utterly cynical it is.
What the studios started to realize by the late 80's is that 12-16 year olds often repeatedly see the same movie in the theater, while that demographic and even younger kids watched R rated movies on home video and cable. That's why studios started to push filmmakers into making more and more movies for kids and teenagers.
Don't worry Colin, I remember the Robocop TV series. They played it on channel 5 in the UK, back when we only had 4 and a half channels on terrestrial tv, and channel 5 was only partially visible through a thick blanket of static. This is no longer an issue with modern television and youtube, so now I can only truly enjoy the series by watching it from outside my house in a rainstorm.
I'm having a flashback to my childhood now. So many weekend lunchtimes watching either RoboCop: The Series or switching over to ITV for "Movies, Games, and Videos". I remember the launch of Channel 5 being a huge deal, but to begin with it was mostly junk during the day and softcore smut at night, haha.
The thing to remember about RoboCop 2 is that the film isn't about RoboCop, it's about RoboCop 2. The title is literal rather than denoting a sequel and I love it.
@@ManiacMayhem7256I think starship troopers 2 could have been decent if it had a budget of more than 100 bucks, it understood the first movie at least.
@@robcressey7228 I was really surprised they didn't mention that Kurtwood Smith was in Star Trek VI as the President with the crazy eyebrows and Fu man chu beard.
@@JpVicvegaand also in VOY episodes Year of Hell. Alien captain trying to correct the timeline to save his family. Same as Kingpin in Into the Spiderverse. Or Avengers in Endgame.
Sure, but I still don't get why you would want to do a presentation to the CEO of everything that went wrong. At least try to lie and sugar coat things. That was so brilliant about the boardroom scene in the first one. Dick was so full of himself that he was certain his robot would impress the old man that he even let it have live ammo, while probably knowing it was far from ready for production. Talking about ego. LOL! I get the humor in Robocop 2, it's just that in the first one the humor comes sneaking up on you, while in the second one it is more in your face. I mean, in the first one the guy is shot to bits, and then the line: Somebody wanna call a god damn paramedic! Absurdism.🤣
@eastcoastscumbag3307 it did it to end its own suffering. That’s why OCP brought the psychiatrist in, to find a mind that would welcome being a cyborg.
That screaming skull that rips its helmet off made me and my friend leave the theater while my dad continued to see the rest of the movie. Despite the kids's toys and cartoons, turns out it wasn't a great choice for two 11 year old girls? The good news I played video games all night so this movie has such a special place in my heart.
So I have not finished the video yet, but wanted to point out something. Ed Neumeier was interviewed on a Podcast called 'Harmontown' created by Dan Harmon. He talks extensively about Robocop and Starship Troopers (which he also wrote/adapted). Robocop 2 was born around the 1988 WGA writers strike, which is why they got Frank Miller since he was a comic book writer. It's very fascinating and explains why that movie is so weird when compared to the first one.
@@theelder4797 I wouldn't mind older stuff if they put some thought and heart into it. "Classics" exist for a reason. In fact, why even watch most stuff that's new when there's great stuff that's 5 to 20 to 30 or more years old? I'm watching old Baki Grappler anime from around 2001, even though I'm not into anime. Big reason I don't like newer stuff is because it's a distraction from good stuff that exists.
I went to watch that interview, and goddamn what a train wreck. Wanted to hear Neumeier talk, but it was Harmon and his two sidekicks yelling out their random nonsense at Neumeier and he had to struggle to even get a word in. He was probably thinking "why tf am I even here".
Phil Tippett has said that the enemy robot in Robocop 2 was made to be so complicated so that the Chinese pirate companies would struggle to make bootleg toys, which had been a big problem with ED209.
What a lame reason to make the design worse? And these are the only things I don't like about Robocop 2 and the original: they didn't have the time/budget to do better animations for the first one, but then also didn't have such cool looking designs for the second one, despite the animations looking a lot better. A lose-lose situation!
I hated the movie so much that I have not rewatched it since 1991 or whenever the VHS came out, the robot is the least of it's problem. Even in the beginning when they cut up Robocop into pieces I lost interest. They won.@@DisgruntledDoomer
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At 20:04 when Colin says there are a lot of Star Trek connections in this movie and Mike leans down off frame to grab the coffee cup, I was 100% sure he was about to pull out a list of all the connections.
It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some script writers want to immediately fly right off the hinges with sequel ideas to semi-grounded movies. The original idea that Mike mentions for the Robocop 2 movie with Murphy being pulverized into dust, reconstructed from the particles in the future and falling in love with a female artificial intelligence in his own head that got folded into a TV series that nobody watched (quelle surprise) reminds me of the bat-sh*t crazy ideas they had for a sequel to Gladiator with Maximus making a Spawn-like deal with Roman Gods to come back to life so that he could be with his family again only to be cursed to live forever and fight in every major world conflict like WWII and Vietnam and rolling credits in modern day America. Seriously. WTF goes on in these people's heads and why are they paid to blast out such ridiculousness?
Iirc the gladiator 2 script was written to be deliberately bad, the guy they hired didn’t want to do it but couldn’t back out so he wrote the most coco-bananas idea he could think of that would never get made
In the 90's this felt like a mediocre film, which just goes to show how spoiled we were. I rewatched it the other month and it's better than most films released in the last 10-15 years.
The absolute PEAK Robocop moment for me is the Magnavolt commercial. The idea that crime is SO BAD that you'd want to drive around with what is effectively a shotgun trap pointed at your head in order to feel safe just perfectly sells the setting. It's also a cyberpunk setting that's much more realistic to how it would actually be done. Mike: "Jay, did you ever think we'd be living in Robocop 2?" Jay: "Yes."
I've actually heard of stuff like happening in South Africa (probably just an urban legend, though). Only that trap for car thieves was an improvised flamethrower, not electro-shock.
@@ajardoor It was real but the South African one used propane. It was called Blaster. Dude sold something like 200 anti-carjacking flamethrowers apparently.
Regarding Murphy being “special” and being able to withstand the… robocopification process, in the first movie one of the corporate suits mentions that they were having suitable candidates transferred to the Detroit police on purpose. And it’s also mentioned that Murphy was recently transferred before the events of the film. So even though they never say it directly, it’s strongly implied that Murphy was handpicked for the RoboCop program based on some kind of science stuff before he even worked for the Detroit police. It’s also implied that he was sent on that ambush mission on purpose so they could try out the experiment
Love the sequel. It was a solid sequel. I love how it ended just like the first, where he does a thing, says something, cut to credits. The difference is that at the end of the first, he does something human (he twirls his gun) and embraces his humanity, and in the second, he does something robotic (adjusts a bolt) and finally embraces being a robot and a human.
My sister was almost cast as Hob. Had a bunch of auditions and script readings with the producers. I was really hoping she'd get the role so I could tag along and see how the film was made. My parents made the decision to pass on it though because the content of the script kept getting more and more graphic, and the shooting schedule was going to have her miss several months out of school.
A former boss was supposed to play the kid in Space Camp, back when it was an ABC movie of the week. When they took it theatrical everyone was replaced by "real" actors. In the original script the Russians rescue them.
I love this movie. They were filming in downtown Houston where I grew up and as a little kid I got to be a crowd extra (not that you can see me or anything, they actually moved me and my parents away from the front since we were dressed for warm weather IIRC)..watched them do some shoots, got my picture taken with one of the cop actors and got Peter Weller's signature. Such an awesome night.
In the original Robocop, I used to like the the sort of "triangular" glass skyscraper that is in the background of some scenes. I figured that was a part of Detroit. Years later, when I was around 15, my older brother moved to Dallas and I noticed it immediately. I was like "woah, that's the building, they filmed Robocop here." Then I looked it up, and sure enough...Dallas was used for RC, and Houston for RC2. The Skyscraper in Dallas that I discovered is called "Fountain Place." It did look very futuristic especially for being built in 1986. Really interesting. But it makes sense, if they want to have a "futuristic detroit" -- to film around some of the newest skyscrapers in America. And I bet it was really cheap comparatively to film in Dallas and Houston instead of LA/Chicago.
That boardroom meeting where they give Robocop the 100 other directives feels like they were satirizing all the violent R-rated movies that were all marketed to kids during the 80's. Also a pretty good reflection on how corporate-think is done for all things today.
I’ve watched the reboot 5 times since its release. I believe there’s a decent movie in there but rewrites or studio interference ruined it. You’re right, it’s too forgettable. I can’t even remember any of the villains’ names. Not Michael keaton’s character, Jackie Earle Haley’s, or even the guy who had Murphy blown up. Ironically, I think the film is ok up until his suit is painted black which was supposed to be what made THIS RoboCop stand out. The black suit doesn’t work for me nor was the ensuing training exercise with the old gypsy yodeling rock song. Needed a revision of the original theme which made a cameo at the title screen and never returned (as of it knew what was coming and wanted nothing to do with it.) Hate to say it, but RoboCop 3 is more entertaining to me.
@@FunkyGOB wait, what, Michael Keaton and Jackie Earle Haley are both in it?? I LOVE those guys, great actors.... I saw that movie.... and yet everything you're telling me about it, from people starring in it, to scenes and plot points... literally none of it is ringing a bell. HOW can someone make a movie that forgettable??
It vies with the Total Recall reboot as one of the least memorable films of the last decade or so. Which raises the question of whether Hollywood rebooted Hollow Man, and no-one remembers it.
@@larrywalsh9939its too streamlined to me. I explained to someone once that i liked watching viy 1967 with my son because the effects arent perfect (not streamlined) so i can exactly explain how the effects were done. For instance, theres a scene where the character is running through the woods, so i explained that the camera didnt follow that character in the woods. If you look closely you can see that hes running on a rotating platform and the camera is standing still. Lots of effects that arent streamlined in there which allows me to explain how they were done. It actually inspired him to make films of his own in the backyard because Its inspiring how the effects were done Nothing inspiring about the robocop movie, its just cgi. Big problem with movies today aswell. They dont give a child the idea they could make a movie of their own
Judge Dredd's DNA is all over the robocop franchise and I rarely see this mentioned. The script, creators, ideas, effects, setting, all have links, direct or indirect. There's too much to list here but once you start looking the links just keep coming. Nothing so close to label it a "rip off", but lots are very close to that.
My father was a Police officer for 30 years and he took me to this movie when I was a kid because I LOVE the original film. He passed away on July 5th 2023 and I'm grateful that this popped up and helped me remember that. Thanks ! Be Kind !
Alright did you make or did you not make any attempt to bring him back as a cybernetic murdering human-machine monster who was obedient to master Alex jonrs
Sry I apologize sir God bless you and your family your father and you know all that nonsense God rest his heart I'm sure he wasn't crooked like so many
I am really glad that you have that fond memory with your beloved dad. I hope watching this video helps you find peace in your heart. God bless your Dad.
The think tank scene is really a testament to how the movie addresses the parents' criticism of the first film. Very meta. And Phil Tippett made the RoboCain design overly complicated so no toy companies could bootleg it. To this day, no RoboCain toys exist. Mission accomplished.
"How can we get kids interested in our brutal R rated movie?" "Let's have a sociopathic child drug dealer. Yah know, so they have someone to relate to." "Brilliant!"
I feel like the motivation was the inverse. RoboCop was being pushed onto kids through toys and Saturday morning cartoons and I get the sense that the director of this film absolutely despised what was happening behind the scenes, so he deliberately introduced the child character specifically to demonstrate how inappropriate it was for the character to be used that way. My understanding is that the director worked on the first film with Veerhoven, so I interpret the scenes with the black guy from the first film to be something of a means for him to directly state how much he hates what's being done in the name of milking the brand for profit.
@@casanovafunkenstein5090 You're probably correct. However, if you view Robocop 2 thru the same satirical lens as the first, you're kinda like: "Well OF COURSE there would be a child gangster, makes complete sense in this universe."
I don't knowanytime I see a little blonde child I think of a brick wall I'm thinking of a brick wall I think I'm thinking of a brick wall and thinking of a brick wall and I just hope to God I hope to God that 🙏 kaboom gottem
@@casanovafunkenstein5090 I'm pretty sure I agree with your sentiment but I kind of wandered of towards the end just cuz I wasn't I was thinking about trying other things
I've never loved it as much as the original, but it's way better than the third one. It at least feels at times like the original, and the stop-motion work is great.
On the design for Robocop 2, Phil Tippett said that he was really annoyed that because ED-209 was mostly smooth simple shapes, the market was flooded with bootleg model kits almost as soon as the film released. So he said one of the goals for robocop 2 was to make the design so overcomplicated that it would be too expensive to make unlicensed copies of.
Fun Fact: Basil Poledouris' iconic theme to RoboCop (1) is actually called "Rock Shop" on the official soundtrack. The title "RoboCop Main Theme" is actually a misnomer and belongs to another track
I remember having a few Robocop toys as a kid. I had the action figure and the police squad car. What a time to be alive when Rated 'R' movies had a kids' toy line.
Not just toys. Conan, Robocop, and even Highlander were all R-rated movies that got turned into cartoons aimed at children. (The Highlander explained its lack of decapitations by setting it in a post-apocalyptic future where all the Immortals swore to stop fighting until civilization was rebuilt)
@@tartrazine5 There's also the long-standing rumour that they workshopped a cartoon series for 'Aliens' that would feature everyone that died in the film and that's supposedly what the Kenner toy line was meant to tie into.
33:47 Not gonna lie, that shot of Kane's brain with his eyes, traumatize me as a kid, it really scared me ! And not just the brain, the fact that the woman tells him that they're gonna take out his brain and he reacts like scared and they drug him up, it really scared to have that feeling that they could drug you up against your will and do whatever they want with your body..
I was trying to imagine it from his perspective when they started talking about it. There's an episode of Tales from the Crypt where an autopsy is done on a guy they think is dead but he's actually just completely paralyzed and feels everything.
Fun trivia: In the arcade scene where everyone throws popcorn at Robo, that was originally intended to be hot dogs. But a friend of mine who was an assistant on this movie pointed out what a mess they'd have to deal with between takes, so popcorn it is!
@@vandammesque Van Damme mask first of all whatsecond of all tell me where there's zzno Knight chest piece isn't ears of the kingdom if I look it up myself I'm cheating
There's also a Data East The Real Ghostbusters arcade game, but it's not actually the real arcade cabinet for some reason, but cobbled together from some other cabinet.
The cgi used in the monitor to display Cains Cgi head was done on a consumer PC called the Amiga 2000 which did similar work of $30,000 silicon graphics systems for about $2,500 . in 4 years time it started to be used widely on Film and tv and its was used for Babylon 5 and Spielberg produced Seaquest Dsv a lot. Its nuts that the tech that Jurassic Park and Terminator used came a few years after this and leapfrogged almost 10 years over anything else at the time. SG workstations too.
The drug dealer from 2 was honestly so much scarier then Clarence Bodiger was. Clarance was a career criminal with no morals, no empathy, but he could be bought and paid for. In 2, they have to deal with a sadistic kingpin manufacturing the most addictive drug ever made, and running a cult out of it. He's not as fun as Clarence, but he feels like 10 x more menacing if he's allowed to operate without being stopped.
Yes and Colin and Mike seem to have skipped over the part in which Cain cuts the heart out of their police spy while he's fully conscious. Cain also forced the kid to watch as they cut him open. Not really the easy going drug dealer that's just a simple business man that Mike keeps repeating. It does nicely parallel with the scene later in the movie in which it's Cain that's getting forced surgery and it's he that watches the aftermath from his glass jar.
I absolutely loved, and still do, the Cain robot. It's just a beautiful industrial design that looks like it can do all sorts of cool stuff. Like he says in the review, it's a Swiss army knife, and it's a great monstrous contrast to the more human RoboCop.
The audio for it throughout the film is intense. The screen sounds when it's popped up to the gears and firepower. He's scary to hear coming after you.
I just thought Cain's robot form was awesome. I was really into Battletech at the time, too, and thought RoboCain would make a badass 'Mech. The warehouse scene is a better horror scene than 90% of horror movies, though.
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I just thought of that movie this weekend. Friend was putting on a movie night at a pool and I suggested Waterworld would be the perfect movie to show in that setting.
Leonard Rosenman's score for this and Star Trek was also eerily similar to sections of the Ralph Bakshi Lord of the Rings animated movie! I'm sure he had more than one tune in him but that composition did him pretty well!
Predator 2 and RoboCop 2 are both delicious sequels. Love them both. If you do RoboCop 3, then it has to be in BOTW and Rich Evans has to be laughing all the time!
I like Robocop 2 as it felt like Kershner was attempting to recreate Verhoeven’s cinematography and pacing. It didn’t have the same comedic style of Verhoeven’s satirical edge, but it had some great moments. Robocop’s exchange with the gangster holding the baby hostage, for instance, is a brilliant little scene. That “nooo” almost has some human emotion to it, like he’s trying to put a wry twist into his response to let the guy know he wasn’t getting away that easily.
@@youtubedj9298 I can see why people don't like it as much as the first(the first is a perfect movie though), but I was thrown off by how low the RT and IMDB scores for it are. It's a grossly underrated movie.
@@jkcrawl RT? Maybe because I saw the 3rd movie before I found out that people didn't like the 2nd one as much is why it throws me off. The scene with the Robocop 2 prototypes was absolutely perfect and having a little kid gangster was great as well.
@@youtubedj9298 RT= Rotten Tomatoes I agree and I think people misses the point of a lot of stuff in it. I thought the character of Cain himself was intended to be satirical and represent the polar opposite of the capitalist OCP. I thought he was supposed to be a self righteous, performative liberal that preaches peace, but is actually just as violent as those he opposes. He's like John Lennon in a sense that he sang and preached about peace, but behind closed doors he was a violent, selfish womanizer. Cain preached about peace and indoctrinated people into his following, held himself up as a sort of messiah(I think he even compares to himself as jesus at one point), but really he was just a violent drug addict at the end of the day. People say the kid character (Hobb) is pointless, but I think it's obvious that he's supposed to fit the narrative of being indoctrinated into a cult. I think there's some legit criticisms about it, and it's certainly not as good as the first one, but I still think it's treated harshly.
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That warehouse scene was giving me nightmares back in the day. Crazy killer robot coming for you... Very impressive that Goldie Wilson made it out of there alive.
My main issue with RoboCop 2 is that it has some weird pacing. After Cain is capture and turned into RoboCop 2, Murphy basically vanishes from the last 30 minutes of the movie until the finale.
I noticed this when I rewatched the movie as an adult. He then re-appears with the ridiculous scene of the kids baseball team robbing the store where he immediatly "fixes" himself on the power transformer. Just.. really odd and bad choices in this film. Its still enjoyable and not a bad film though.
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The idea of Robocop pinning a guy under an ice cream truck while it's described as "a kid friendly PG show" really reminds me of how I grew up watching 1000 ways to die
1000 Ways To Die was fiction btw. I didn't realize that for a few years. Still not sure if the Murphy Bed death is possible but I'll still never try to hide in a folded up one.
Nah, some of them were based on real freak accidents, just the details were changed to make the people seem more shitty and "deserving" to die. The scummy hollywood agent that got his insides sucked out by a jacuzzi vent actually happened to a little girl and led to like a huge redesign of jacuzzis iirc The rude flight attendant that got sucked out of an airplane was reportedly a really nice employee IRL and was on her last flight before retiring Yeah that show was wild. Looking back now, that show and the final destination movies probably fed into a lot of the anxiety that i developed as a young child
Yt is gradually turning into a kids platform. Sure you can still find brutal stuff but there's that sinking feeling that at any moment they might erase everything.
Compared to everything that followed, 'Robocop 2' is looking pretty damn sweet. Although it's more mean-spirited than the first and the score is lame, it's generally a solid follow-up. I think it kinda meanders plotwise, but the scenes with RoboCain are worth the admission price alone. Also, the sequence of failed prototypes is comedy gold!
One thing that's always stuck out to me was how the "Old Man" became a heartless bastard since the first movie. He seemed like a decent enough guy in the original.
Not necessarily. Remember how he reacted in the first one to Kenny's death during ED-209's "Arrest Simulation" where it was less horror and more extreme disappointment as the little "glitch" would interfere with OCP's scheduled construction of Delta City AND cost the company millions of dollars in interest payments alone? He wasn't exactly a saint. So his character turn in the sequel isn't surprising.
I've always thought that Cain was the perfect foil for Robocop. Murphy is very conflicted about his cyborgfication and he tries hard to come as a human in the machine, he has a very hard time letting go his past life; Cain literally murders everyone in his past life and is the only Robocop 2 project subject who works because he already had a god complex that makes him shine as a machine. While Robocop becomes more and more human, Cain turns more and more monstruous, a real metal nightmare that talks in growls and tech shouts. Robocain as a concept is perfect.
Im one of the few who really enjoys Robocop 2. Its not better than the 1st. But Ive always loved how strong they make Murphy in the sequel. He went through way more in the sequel. From being torn apart, then frying his circuits to free himself from bad programming. Then being the 1st to stand up after falling through the street with Cain. It really showcases his will to survive.
I love it, I actually like it better than the first. I like him as a villain much more than Clarence. Clarence never seen intimidating or believable to me, you just seem like a balding nerdy dude with glasses and a high-pitched voice
The score is such an integral part of why Robocop works. A year or so ago, I had a hankering for this movie, but Robocop 2 was the only one available on streaming. Hadn’t seen the sequel in a while. Spent the runtime just waiting for that brass theme to kick in. Credits roll and I was like “wtf?!”
I saw an interview where Leonard Rosenman actually said the score to Robocop 1 was bad, and he made a proper score for 2. But he just recycled his ST4 score. What a scam.
The score for 2 sounds like a cheap Jerry Goldsmith knock off. Not surprised it's the same composer as Voyage Home because that also had my least favourite score of the original ST films.
@@dominantprime Leonard Rosenman scored the Ralph Bakshi Lord of the Rings animated movie prior to Star Trek IV, and it's soundtrack also sounds similar.
@@KasumiKenshirou Yep I've also listened to his LOTR and heard the similar bits in that as well. Who knows how many times he just recycled the same themes, and which classical piece is it originally from? The ST4 and Robocop 2 recycling is just blatant though because it's nearly identical main themes prominently in the credits.
In the church of Paul Verhoeven, RoboCop, Total Recall, and Starship Troopers are the Holy Trinity. Flesh and Blood is pretty raw and I've been meaning to watch Turkish Delight for a couple decades...
I was 10 when this movie came out, and I wanted to see it sooo bad. I'd seen the original on VHS and the trailers for this had me going crazy. My buddy and I convinced his mom to take us to go see it, and I lied about my parents being ok with it. The first R-rated movie I saw in theaters. Such a memorable experience. Love this movie!
@@nothingsacred8684 my parents never found out, but it was a close call. As we were sitting there waiting for the trailers to start, my older teenage brother walked in with his friends and saw us sitting there, and kinda laughed and was surprised to see me there. But he never told my parents. I think he thought it was funny.
@@thomr9131 I loved the movie at the time. I thought it was one of the most badass things I'd seen. I had read the novelization beforehand, so I pretty much knew what to expect as far as the story went, but seeing it play out on the big screen was amazing. I was actually worried that there would be boobs in it, and that would be embarrassing to have to sit and watch with my friend's mom, luckily there were none. I had no problem with the loads of graphic violence and countless f-bombs though for whatever reason.
Funny isn’t it that you can love a movie even though you know it’s not great just because off when you saw it, Masters of the universe and Rocky 4 are these for me😂
10:30 I've watched this movie a million times and today is the first day I've ever noticed the Beretta 93-R in the background (the same real world gun they modeled Robocop's Auto-9 from)
I loved it. As a kid I mostly grew up watching the 2nd and 3rd one since they were the ones that usually replayed the most on on network TV and I had to rent the first one to watch it. Looking back now, my parents were out of their minds for letting a 9 year old watch Robocop 2 as much as I did. Man, the 90's were crazy.
The bit of score Leonard Rosenman used in both Star Trek IV and RoboCop 2 is also near-identical to his Riders of Rohan theme from Ralph Bakshi’s Lord of the Rings.
In the final showdown, the grey cement building they smash Robocop2 into is Houston’s Tony Award-winning Alley Theatre, which I’ve always found amusing. The balcony the old man and Johnson appear on is the Wortham Theatre and Opera House (the skyscraper floors were a matte painting effect)
A 10 Million dollar robot falling to pieces because no one factored in how it was supposed to navigate a stairwell is EXACTLY how software development works in the real world. Give the customer a chance to put in their own time, they put 9:65, and the whole system crashes. OCP is exactly the kind of company that would either not bother with QA, or oursource it to somewhere irrelevant, all to cut costs (while of course showering themselves will million dollar bonuses year on end).
Dick Jones pretty much said as much with regards to Ed 209 in that bathroom scene he had with Miguel Figuer.
@@jakeschutz6342you killed me with Miguel Figuer
@@jakeschutz6342Miguel Ferrer.
@@jakeschutz6342 _"Who cares if it works?"_
Fire your QA team if 9:65 crashes your system
I’m actually Tom Noonan’s assistant (and an avid RLM watcher) so I was very excited to see this!!!! I’ll let Tom know how much you guys liked Cain, but I’ll leave out the part about him having a big head. Nice to see his work appreciated so many years later :)
Tom Noonan is a great character actor! He was in an episode of The X-Files called Paper Hearts that I really love, and he was really good, very intimidating and strange, in the 12 Monkeys series. Always a treat when I'm watching something and he shows up.
Tom Noonan is the best!
Underrated, Tom was a part of my childhood, from "Tales from the Dark Side" to "Monster Squad".
He is a real “that guy”
You can’t make much money doing that. What’s your other job?
The scene where Robocop is given hundreds of nonsense directives becomes especially hilarious once you read what they say:
"247. Don't run through puddles and splash pedestrians or other cars."
"250. Don't walk across a ball room floor swinging your arms."
"262. Avoid Orion meetings."
Good stuff.
I think The Weekly Planet must have read your comment.
lol
Wait. Was 262 actually on screen?
@Adino1 yup. Its nothing a few thousand volts won't take care of
I always thought of this as them mormonizing him. Then again, that may just be because I'm from Utah.
The description for this video is almost as good as the movie itself. Truly amazing.
Thank you SO much for pointing this out to me! Now I am off to scour every one of their other videos for amazing descriptions!
@@benjaminfisher5351 Find anything?
Is this chatGPT? LOL
"I could crime around Robocop any day"
Thank you, sir, I didn't bother to read it before I saw your comment and now I'm going through all latest RLM videos in search of more gems like this.
I don't understand how they were discussing "things you can do for a sequel" and failed to realize that Robocop 2 fits another very common one, "The main character has to fight an evil version of themself"
Robocop 2: “I’m not evil…I’m just angry!”
I know the RoboCop: Prime Directives mini series explored this with the evil one being his old partner and is clad in black chrome armor and has two guns.
That's what u do for the first movie lol
Imagine if the producers had gone with "the main character travels back to medieval times", or "the main characters are recast except for the comedy sidekick".
The final fight between Robocop and Caine is a violently epic saga in and of itself. I felt like I went on a journey by the time it was over. It starts in the auditorium, into the hallways, the elevator, off the top of the building, into the sewers/pipe room, chaotic shootout in the street, and ends with Robocop ripping the other guys brains out and smashing it into the concrete. A masterful inter-splicing between RL action and stop motion puppetry.
True, but Cain really should’ve shut down as soon as the brain got pulled. What, he’s connected by Bluetooth?
For my money, the Cain fight at the end is the best stop motion work ever put to film. It feels like it has HEFT and it looks virtually seamless - even very good stop motion kinda always LOOKS like stop motion work, but the Cain robot at times you could tell someone “That’s CGI” and they’d believe it.
@@urdnal Braintooth~...
I mean, it's a fun action scene across different sets. It's not an "epic saga"
In Miller's script, that fight was just Robocop. You see, in his script Robocop 2 isn't just a title of a new Robocop, it's an upgrade for Murphy and he's forced to share his Robo-head w/another brain, that of Cain, the criminal. So, at some point, they end up fighting each other...except they're in the SAME body. On the page, I recall it reading as pretty amazing, but they pulled that out...and they added the kid (NOT Miller's idea -- not that I care; he's an a-hole these days).
Mike had a perfect rendition of the Re:View theme. Flawless. He has so much musical talent.
Yah, it was borderline experimental!
The fart noise was my favorite part.
Agreed
Wait, that was Mike?! I thought it was just the usual opening?????
I always thought that that tune sounds way too much like farts.
RoboCop 2 is probably way ahead of its time because its satire is very focused on the business side of Hollywood filmmaking.
The film kicks off with multiple failed attempts to recreate RoboCop, leading to a series of events culminating in the creation of RoboCop 2, which isn't as good as the original because they put all their focus on creating something bigger and more expensive without really considering the internal contradictions involved in going with this direction.
In parallel to this there's a push to render Murphy (and by extension the franchise) more marketable and suitable for children, paralleling the real life way that the franchise was being handled by the studio and satirising Hollywood studios' use of focus testing over trusting in the artistic vision of the creative team. The film makes a point of involving a child character as a prominent antagonist to juxtapose just how inappropriate it is to market RoboCop to that audience.
As much as it's not really as good as the first one, I do really appreciate how utterly cynical it is.
Also: the first film everyone was on coke, but now they're hooked on 'nuke'.
Nuke=New Coke 😉
The scene with the misfiring attempts at a Robocop 2 was a great bit of black comedy, I'll give the film that.
The boss walking over dead bodies not even acknowledging them at the end is just hilarious.
The first film is a satire of the US in the 80's. The 2nd is a satire of Hollywood sequels.
What the studios started to realize by the late 80's is that 12-16 year olds often repeatedly see the same movie in the theater, while that demographic and even younger kids watched R rated movies on home video and cable. That's why studios started to push filmmakers into making more and more movies for kids and teenagers.
Don't worry Colin, I remember the Robocop TV series. They played it on channel 5 in the UK, back when we only had 4 and a half channels on terrestrial tv, and channel 5 was only partially visible through a thick blanket of static. This is no longer an issue with modern television and youtube, so now I can only truly enjoy the series by watching it from outside my house in a rainstorm.
I never understood why Channel 5 always had such awful signal
Channel 5 wasn't worth watching then, and its still not worth watching now.
I'm having a flashback to my childhood now. So many weekend lunchtimes watching either RoboCop: The Series or switching over to ITV for "Movies, Games, and Videos". I remember the launch of Channel 5 being a huge deal, but to begin with it was mostly junk during the day and softcore smut at night, haha.
The thing to remember about RoboCop 2 is that the film isn't about RoboCop, it's about RoboCop 2. The title is literal rather than denoting a sequel and I love it.
It's Cain's movie featuring Robocop.
Imagine if they'd called it "Robocop, Too". I should be working in Hollywood. I really should.
The RoboCop franchise is a terrific example of becoming the thing it began by satirizing.
Starship Troopers too. I wonder if those films have anything in common.
@@Blashswanski
At least Robocop 2 is good. Not sure anyone can say the same for the Starship sequels
3 and the reboot are truly awful
@@ManiacMayhem7256I think starship troopers 2 could have been decent if it had a budget of more than 100 bucks, it understood the first movie at least.
I love how excited Mike gets when Colin wants to talk about the Star Trek connections with RoboCop 2
He brightened up immediately.
Surprised he didn't mention Miguel Ferrer being in Star Trek III.
@@robcressey7228 I was really surprised they didn't mention that Kurtwood Smith was in Star Trek VI as the President with the crazy eyebrows and Fu man chu beard.
@@JpVicvegaand also in VOY episodes Year of Hell. Alien captain trying to correct the timeline to save his family. Same as Kingpin in Into the Spiderverse. Or Avengers in Endgame.
Also That 70's Show 'Red Foreman'...
The prototype Robocop ripping its own head off is my favorite part of the whole movie.
Did it do it to end the suffering, or did it think it could take it's helmet off? The world may never know.
@@eastcoastscumbag3307 confirmed as suicide by Paul Verhoeven
Sure, but I still don't get why you would want to do a presentation to the CEO of everything that went wrong. At least try to lie and sugar coat things. That was so brilliant about the boardroom scene in the first one. Dick was so full of himself that he was certain his robot would impress the old man that he even let it have live ammo, while probably knowing it was far from ready for production. Talking about ego. LOL! I get the humor in Robocop 2, it's just that in the first one the humor comes sneaking up on you, while in the second one it is more in your face. I mean, in the first one the guy is shot to bits, and then the line: Somebody wanna call a god damn paramedic! Absurdism.🤣
@eastcoastscumbag3307 it did it to end its own suffering. That’s why OCP brought the psychiatrist in, to find a mind that would welcome being a cyborg.
I always found that scene disturbing, personally.
That screaming skull that rips its helmet off made me and my friend leave the theater while my dad continued to see the rest of the movie. Despite the kids's toys and cartoons, turns out it wasn't a great choice for two 11 year old girls? The good news I played video games all night so this movie has such a special place in my heart.
So I have not finished the video yet, but wanted to point out something. Ed Neumeier was interviewed on a Podcast called 'Harmontown' created by Dan Harmon. He talks extensively about Robocop and Starship Troopers (which he also wrote/adapted).
Robocop 2 was born around the 1988 WGA writers strike, which is why they got Frank Miller since he was a comic book writer. It's very fascinating and explains why that movie is so weird when compared to the first one.
Let’s see what comes out of the current strike!
@@theelder4797 I wouldn't mind older stuff if they put some thought and heart into it.
"Classics" exist for a reason.
In fact, why even watch most stuff that's new when there's great stuff that's 5 to 20 to 30 or more years old?
I'm watching old Baki Grappler anime from around 2001, even though I'm not into anime.
Big reason I don't like newer stuff is because it's a distraction from good stuff that exists.
I went to watch that interview, and goddamn what a train wreck. Wanted to hear Neumeier talk, but it was Harmon and his two sidekicks yelling out their random nonsense at Neumeier and he had to struggle to even get a word in. He was probably thinking "why tf am I even here".
Phil Tippett has said that the enemy robot in Robocop 2 was made to be so complicated so that the Chinese pirate companies would struggle to make bootleg toys, which had been a big problem with ED209.
What a lame reason to make the design worse? And these are the only things I don't like about Robocop 2 and the original: they didn't have the time/budget to do better animations for the first one, but then also didn't have such cool looking designs for the second one, despite the animations looking a lot better. A lose-lose situation!
I hated the movie so much that I have not rewatched it since 1991 or whenever the VHS came out, the robot is the least of it's problem. Even in the beginning when they cut up Robocop into pieces I lost interest. They won.@@DisgruntledDoomer
Were 90's chinese knockoff toys like god-teir quality or something?
It's wild that there were toys for a hyperviolent film like this lmao
Not Chinese, Japanese model kit companies. China made nothing of that quality back then.
It's so cool that they let this 9 year old boy travel back to 1994 to work on Robocop The Series!
RedLetterMedia inspires me.. My parents said if i get 50K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally
Begging...
Makes sense cos I loved robocop 2 when I was 9
That's showbiz baby!
"Things that never happened"
Our amazing healthcare keeps us Canadians young!
At 20:04 when Colin says there are a lot of Star Trek connections in this movie and Mike leans down off frame to grab the coffee cup, I was 100% sure he was about to pull out a list of all the connections.
It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some script writers want to immediately fly right off the hinges with sequel ideas to semi-grounded movies. The original idea that Mike mentions for the Robocop 2 movie with Murphy being pulverized into dust, reconstructed from the particles in the future and falling in love with a female artificial intelligence in his own head that got folded into a TV series that nobody watched (quelle surprise) reminds me of the bat-sh*t crazy ideas they had for a sequel to Gladiator with Maximus making a Spawn-like deal with Roman Gods to come back to life so that he could be with his family again only to be cursed to live forever and fight in every major world conflict like WWII and Vietnam and rolling credits in modern day America.
Seriously. WTF goes on in these people's heads and why are they paid to blast out such ridiculousness?
@rorschach36 😅😂🤣 damn it, I was gonna say that ...
Iirc the gladiator 2 script was written to be deliberately bad, the guy they hired didn’t want to do it but couldn’t back out so he wrote the most coco-bananas idea he could think of that would never get made
But... but... I would watch the hell out of these!!! I bet you the legit sequel to Gladiator will be boring af!
@@ELEKTROSKANSEN Ridley Scott's making it so I doubt it, say what you will about his movies but they're never boring
Holy shit that gladiator sequel actually sounds amazing.
In the 90's this felt like a mediocre film, which just goes to show how spoiled we were. I rewatched it the other month and it's better than most films released in the last 10-15 years.
Cain: New age hippie, weirdo, just wanted to sell designer drugs, not violent.
Also Cain: Literally has a dude bisected in front of a kid
Mostly peaceful drug dealer.
That IS a hippie in RoboCops world.
To be fair, that kid pisses me off.
He wanted to make "Made In America" mean something again, if anything he was a patriot
Charles Manson was a hippie people forget.
Growing up, I genuinely believed Robocop 1 and 2 were actually what America was like. Its a relief to know now I was right.
The US is a developing country.
@@johnjuiceshipper4963The United States makes people from third world nations proud to be from a third world nation.
@@charlottecorday8494So does Canada, but that's based almost exclusively on the cost of living.
But where is the standup comedian everyone listens to as if he's a learned man?
@@viperswhipAnd the government-subsidized suicide.
The absolute PEAK Robocop moment for me is the Magnavolt commercial. The idea that crime is SO BAD that you'd want to drive around with what is effectively a shotgun trap pointed at your head in order to feel safe just perfectly sells the setting. It's also a cyberpunk setting that's much more realistic to how it would actually be done.
Mike: "Jay, did you ever think we'd be living in Robocop 2?"
Jay: "Yes."
I've actually heard of stuff like happening in South Africa (probably just an urban legend, though). Only that trap for car thieves was an improvised flamethrower, not electro-shock.
I feel the commercials in 2 are better than 1. They are so damn iconic.
ID BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR@@treborkroy5280
@@ajardoor No, that SA thing was real. I saw news reports about it around the time this movie came out.
@@ajardoor It was real but the South African one used propane. It was called Blaster.
Dude sold something like 200 anti-carjacking flamethrowers apparently.
Regarding Murphy being “special” and being able to withstand the… robocopification process, in the first movie one of the corporate suits mentions that they were having suitable candidates transferred to the Detroit police on purpose. And it’s also mentioned that Murphy was recently transferred before the events of the film. So even though they never say it directly, it’s strongly implied that Murphy was handpicked for the RoboCop program based on some kind of science stuff before he even worked for the Detroit police. It’s also implied that he was sent on that ambush mission on purpose so they could try out the experiment
If I remember correctly, he was already with the Detroit police, but had just been transferred to a more dangerous precinct.
I find it fascinating they cite his Catholicism as an attribute that allows him to exist that way
Love the sequel. It was a solid sequel. I love how it ended just like the first, where he does a thing, says something, cut to credits. The difference is that at the end of the first, he does something human (he twirls his gun) and embraces his humanity, and in the second, he does something robotic (adjusts a bolt) and finally embraces being a robot and a human.
Robocop 2 is much more mean spirited compared to Robocop 1. It's very obvious that it's different writers and director worked on Robocop 2.
My sister was almost cast as Hob. Had a bunch of auditions and script readings with the producers. I was really hoping she'd get the role so I could tag along and see how the film was made. My parents made the decision to pass on it though because the content of the script kept getting more and more graphic, and the shooting schedule was going to have her miss several months out of school.
very cool!
After reading an interview of the actress who played Sam on iCarly, I'm glad you're parents were parents, and not using her as a nestegg.
Wow! Very interesting!
@@sameaston9587just looked it up & holy shit
A former boss was supposed to play the kid in Space Camp, back when it was an ABC movie of the week. When they took it theatrical everyone was replaced by "real" actors. In the original script the Russians rescue them.
I love this movie. They were filming in downtown Houston where I grew up and as a little kid I got to be a crowd extra (not that you can see me or anything, they actually moved me and my parents away from the front since we were dressed for warm weather IIRC)..watched them do some shoots, got my picture taken with one of the cop actors and got Peter Weller's signature. Such an awesome night.
I always get giddy when the Wortham Center is shown in the film along with the way too many extra floors cgi'd onto of the building!
In the original Robocop, I used to like the the sort of "triangular" glass skyscraper that is in the background of some scenes. I figured that was a part of Detroit. Years later, when I was around 15, my older brother moved to Dallas and I noticed it immediately. I was like "woah, that's the building, they filmed Robocop here." Then I looked it up, and sure enough...Dallas was used for RC, and Houston for RC2. The Skyscraper in Dallas that I discovered is called "Fountain Place." It did look very futuristic especially for being built in 1986. Really interesting. But it makes sense, if they want to have a "futuristic detroit" -- to film around some of the newest skyscrapers in America. And I bet it was really cheap comparatively to film in Dallas and Houston instead of LA/Chicago.
That boardroom meeting where they give Robocop the 100 other directives feels like they were satirizing all the violent R-rated movies that were all marketed to kids during the 80's. Also a pretty good reflection on how corporate-think is done for all things today.
The movie probably should have included a joke about OCP making a Robocop cartoon for children, except they did that in real life. Twice.
@@tartrazine5they actually did make a "Johnny Rehab" cartoon in Robocop 3, which was pretty funny because it was hyper violent and marketed to kids.
@@RegencyYarl "a "Johnny Rehab" cartoon"
The New Golden Age of Western Animation, folks.
Just different directives than thr mostly at least tangentially Christian moralisms of the old days, but even more extreme.
I think it was a comment on making the police incorporate social issues into their policing which was a hot topic at the time
The freeze frame at 20:14 has absolutely done me in today - every time you do that gag it takes me by surprise.
The funny thing about Robocop 2 is at least people are still talking about it. I think most of the world forgets that the reboot movie even exists.
I’ve watched the reboot 5 times since its release. I believe there’s a decent movie in there but rewrites or studio interference ruined it.
You’re right, it’s too forgettable. I can’t even remember any of the villains’ names. Not Michael keaton’s character, Jackie Earle Haley’s, or even the guy who had Murphy blown up. Ironically, I think the film is ok up until his suit is painted black which was supposed to be what made THIS RoboCop stand out. The black suit doesn’t work for me nor was the ensuing training exercise with the old gypsy yodeling rock song. Needed a revision of the original theme which made a cameo at the title screen and never returned (as of it knew what was coming and wanted nothing to do with it.)
Hate to say it, but RoboCop 3 is more entertaining to me.
@@FunkyGOB wait, what, Michael Keaton and Jackie Earle Haley are both in it?? I LOVE those guys, great actors.... I saw that movie.... and yet everything you're telling me about it, from people starring in it, to scenes and plot points... literally none of it is ringing a bell. HOW can someone make a movie that forgettable??
@@larrywalsh9939I swear I watched it when it came out but I don't remember any of that, either😂
It vies with the Total Recall reboot as one of the least memorable films of the last decade or so. Which raises the question of whether Hollywood rebooted Hollow Man, and no-one remembers it.
@@larrywalsh9939its too streamlined to me. I explained to someone once that i liked watching viy 1967 with my son because the effects arent perfect (not streamlined) so i can exactly explain how the effects were done. For instance, theres a scene where the character is running through the woods, so i explained that the camera didnt follow that character in the woods. If you look closely you can see that hes running on a rotating platform and the camera is standing still. Lots of effects that arent streamlined in there which allows me to explain how they were done. It actually inspired him to make films of his own in the backyard because Its inspiring how the effects were done
Nothing inspiring about the robocop movie, its just cgi. Big problem with movies today aswell. They dont give a child the idea they could make a movie of their own
Very impressive that Colin worked on a TV show when he was 12 years old.
I can't believe he is 50 now :O
Probably a mix up with the other canadian series that came later in 90s with Robo-Cable the other Robocop.
@@Godgotronyeah you’re right. Prime Directives and Robo-Cable. They were not good!
Actually Prime Directive was in 2001, even more likely he worked on that one.
According to IMDB he worked on the 2014 remake as well, not sure if he brings that up (I wouldn't)
Judge Dredd's DNA is all over the robocop franchise and I rarely see this mentioned. The script, creators, ideas, effects, setting, all have links, direct or indirect. There's too much to list here but once you start looking the links just keep coming. Nothing so close to label it a "rip off", but lots are very close to that.
I think the original RoboCop was meant to be a judge dredd movie.
Filmmakers knew that when they did the first one. That's why the guy in the liquor store picks up an Ironman comic before he robs the store.
@@lentzquest There's a little similarity with Deathlok,, but take it from a regular reader of 2000AD, there's WAY more Dredd in there than Deathlok.
@STEVEIAM1 I think there are photos of early Robocop test suits and one is straight up a Judge helmet
Even the satiric humour is similar.
My father was a Police officer for 30 years and he took me to this movie when I was a kid because I LOVE the original film. He passed away on July 5th 2023 and I'm grateful that this popped up and helped me remember that. Thanks ! Be Kind !
Alright did you make or did you not make any attempt to bring him back as a cybernetic murdering human-machine monster who was obedient to master Alex jonrs
Sry I apologize sir God bless you and your family your father and you know all that nonsense God rest his heart I'm sure he wasn't crooked like so many
Nice story
I am really glad that you have that fond memory with your beloved dad.
I hope watching this video helps you find peace in your heart.
God bless your Dad.
He sounds like he was a wonderful man. I’m sorry for your loss, much love to you and yours.
The think tank scene is really a testament to how the movie addresses the parents' criticism of the first film. Very meta. And Phil Tippett made the RoboCain design overly complicated so no toy companies could bootleg it. To this day, no RoboCain toys exist. Mission accomplished.
They exist now. There's a few model kits, figures and such.
@@thebusybuilder4071 Please link.
@@obmarte3803 I also have one 3d printed I. Scale with the stop motion puppets. It's a short on here
@obmarte3803 I linked it bur it may not be showing. Search moderoid robocop cain. It's out there
Lol. You’re talking out of your butt. Hiyatoys made 2 versions of Cain, and there’s another company coming up with a bigger scale.
Robocop 2 is one of the few movies that murders a kid. More movies need to do this.
Course they did it after they put in the work to make you feel bad for him, so there is some concession there.
The Blob remake.
Pure 80’s savagery.
You'd love Postal
I wanted Vanilla Twist.
@@RosyTheRascal15 *ptchoo*
Classic.
"How can we get kids interested in our brutal R rated movie?"
"Let's have a sociopathic child drug dealer. Yah know, so they have someone to relate to."
"Brilliant!"
I feel like the motivation was the inverse.
RoboCop was being pushed onto kids through toys and Saturday morning cartoons and I get the sense that the director of this film absolutely despised what was happening behind the scenes, so he deliberately introduced the child character specifically to demonstrate how inappropriate it was for the character to be used that way.
My understanding is that the director worked on the first film with Veerhoven, so I interpret the scenes with the black guy from the first film to be something of a means for him to directly state how much he hates what's being done in the name of milking the brand for profit.
@@casanovafunkenstein5090 You're probably correct. However, if you view Robocop 2 thru the same satirical lens as the first, you're kinda like: "Well OF COURSE there would be a child gangster, makes complete sense in this universe."
I don't knowanytime I see a little blonde child I think of a brick wall I'm thinking of a brick wall I think I'm thinking of a brick wall and thinking of a brick wall and I just hope to God I hope to God that 🙏 kaboom gottem
@@casanovafunkenstein5090 I'm pretty sure I agree with your sentiment but I kind of wandered of towards the end just cuz I wasn't I was thinking about trying other things
I've never loved it as much as the original, but it's way better than the third one. It at least feels at times like the original, and the stop-motion work is great.
My thoughts exactly!
The third one is fun if you turn your brain off though haha
Especially the trials for a Robocop replacement...
The original is the better movie. Robocop 2 is the better dark comedy.
Irvin Kershner did direct it and my favorite movie of all time Empire Strikes Back.
On the design for Robocop 2, Phil Tippett said that he was really annoyed that because ED-209 was mostly smooth simple shapes, the market was flooded with bootleg model kits almost as soon as the film released. So he said one of the goals for robocop 2 was to make the design so overcomplicated that it would be too expensive to make unlicensed copies of.
I swear there are these robotic soldiers in the movie Valerian towards the end that have heads that look similar to RoboCains
I think they really missed an opportunity to do a Robocop / Police Academy crossover.
They would all be Tackleberry
Robocop / Police Academy / Naked Gun triple play.
Fun Fact: Basil Poledouris' iconic theme to RoboCop (1) is actually called "Rock Shop" on the official soundtrack. The title "RoboCop Main Theme" is actually a misnomer and belongs to another track
I remember having a few Robocop toys as a kid. I had the action figure and the police squad car. What a time to be alive when Rated 'R' movies had a kids' toy line.
I missed out on that by like a few years only you know what it was my family's from Canada we didn't promote murdering one another you freak
Not just toys. Conan, Robocop, and even Highlander were all R-rated movies that got turned into cartoons aimed at children. (The Highlander explained its lack of decapitations by setting it in a post-apocalyptic future where all the Immortals swore to stop fighting until civilization was rebuilt)
And Rambo@@tartrazine5
@@tartrazine5 There's also the long-standing rumour that they workshopped a cartoon series for 'Aliens' that would feature everyone that died in the film and that's supposedly what the Kenner toy line was meant to tie into.
@martincann5052 it’s not a rumor. They were actually working on an Aliens cartoon
Is it normal that I get more excited for new RLM videos than for new movies?
Yes.
It’s because RLM actually puts thought and effort into their videos.
Same lol
@@rockerdude725973 True!
@@rockerdude725973 And at the same time they try to make it look like they don't care. It's like calculated jank.
its great to see mike and his son have some bonding time together
Its hard to believe that Colin is actually several years older than Mike.
A lot of people don’t know that the director of Robocop 2 is the same director who did “The Empire Strikes Back.”
He directed SPIES as well.
33:47 Not gonna lie, that shot of Kane's brain with his eyes, traumatize me as a kid, it really scared me ! And not just the brain, the fact that the woman tells him that they're gonna take out his brain and he reacts like scared and they drug him up, it really scared to have that feeling that they could drug you up against your will and do whatever they want with your body..
I was trying to imagine it from his perspective when they started talking about it.
There's an episode of Tales from the Crypt where an autopsy is done on a guy they think is dead but he's actually just completely paralyzed and feels everything.
Where is JIM from Jim & Colin?!
He's at Tim Horton's
They broke up, RLM is publicly choosing sides
He violated the penile code
He's still recovering from his horrible lorem ipsum.
Canada
Fun trivia: In the arcade scene where everyone throws popcorn at Robo, that was originally intended to be hot dogs. But a friend of mine who was an assistant on this movie pointed out what a mess they'd have to deal with between takes, so popcorn it is!
One of the most visible arcades was Dragonninja.
@@vandammesque Van Damme mask first of all whatsecond of all tell me where there's zzno Knight chest piece isn't ears of the kingdom if I look it up myself I'm cheating
It also features one of my favourite early 90s arcade games as a background prop: Midnight Resistance. A game forgotten by most, but I loved it.
@@vandammesqueAnd NARC.
There's also a Data East The Real Ghostbusters arcade game, but it's not actually the real arcade cabinet for some reason, but cobbled together from some other cabinet.
To be fair, 'Sketchy cash deals in a warehouse' is just how 90% of business got done in 80's action movies.
It was actually 87%, “Shipping docks” finished strong in ‘89 with a 3% cut into abandoned warehouses.
*in the 80's.
That's literally how my parents used to give me pocket money. Every Saturday morning, abandoned warehouse.
@@Endocrom *in the '80s
@@Yawbus1976 in the eighties
The cgi used in the monitor to display Cains Cgi head was done on a consumer PC called the Amiga 2000 which did similar work of $30,000 silicon graphics systems for about $2,500 . in 4 years time it started to be used widely on Film and tv and its was used for Babylon 5 and Spielberg produced Seaquest Dsv a lot. Its nuts that the tech that Jurassic Park and Terminator used came a few years after this and leapfrogged almost 10 years over anything else at the time. SG workstations too.
The drug dealer from 2 was honestly so much scarier then Clarence Bodiger was. Clarance was a career criminal with no morals, no empathy, but he could be bought and paid for. In 2, they have to deal with a sadistic kingpin manufacturing the most addictive drug ever made, and running a cult out of it. He's not as fun as Clarence, but he feels like 10 x more menacing if he's allowed to operate without being stopped.
Here is twist to bring in Murphy’s family…instead of Hobbs its Robocop’s kid that is Cain’s protege because to take care of the family.
Yes and Colin and Mike seem to have skipped over the part in which Cain cuts the heart out of their police spy while he's fully conscious. Cain also forced the kid to watch as they cut him open. Not really the easy going drug dealer that's just a simple business man that Mike keeps repeating.
It does nicely parallel with the scene later in the movie in which it's Cain that's getting forced surgery and it's he that watches the aftermath from his glass jar.
I've never read a video description before from RLM. I did now and It did not disappoint.
I absolutely loved, and still do, the Cain robot. It's just a beautiful industrial design that looks like it can do all sorts of cool stuff. Like he says in the review, it's a Swiss army knife, and it's a great monstrous contrast to the more human RoboCop.
I love that throughout the whole fight Robocop has to deal with and dismantle many of its weapons
The audio for it throughout the film is intense. The screen sounds when it's popped up to the gears and firepower. He's scary to hear coming after you.
probably the best stop motion ever. Phil Tippett is awesome
As a 12-year-old Canadian child I *loved* Robocop the series. So cool that Colin worked on it!
But what about the *second* Canadian Robocop TV series where he goes up against Black Robocop?
I walked through the set once. Maybe Colin was there!
Ah yes, RoboCable with the shiny darker suit, very cool. Unfortunately, Prime Directives wasn't nearly as good as The Series or films.
And Colin still looks like a 12-year-old Canadian child!
I like how Mike gave up censoring the robocop footage halfway through
It's coz youtube makes them do it during an arbitrary period at the start of each video.
It's the dementia... Don't listen to the other completely rational reply above me.
lol
That scene by scene comparison was GLORIOUS!!!
Right!? And what beat was that because it sounded dope!
Robocop 2 is the one I watch most. Cain was terrifying as a kid. That scene in the warehouse still scares me a bit.
Me too
I love robocain he was the coolest thing in robocop well beside robocop of course.
I just thought Cain's robot form was awesome. I was really into Battletech at the time, too, and thought RoboCain would make a badass 'Mech.
The warehouse scene is a better horror scene than 90% of horror movies, though.
RedLetterMedia inspires me.. My parents said if i get 50K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally
Begging...
Cain was a powerhouse compared to Boddicker and ED-209(both human and machine)
The part where Robocop is in pieces gave me trauma as a kid and still haunts me to this day 😅😂
The line "his pain centers are lit up like a christmas tree" is forever burned into my mind.
Aww, he's just a scarecrow...that can feel pain...
Me too. Able to feel all the pain but unable to die.
This part was in a TV ad for the movie when I was growing up, got scared but still was eager to watch lol
I would love to hear you guys talk about Waterworld (1995) someday!
No.
yes absolutely
I just thought of that movie this weekend. Friend was putting on a movie night at a pool and I suggested Waterworld would be the perfect movie to show in that setting.
Would be great! Might have been one of the greatest financial flops in history but I love it regardless
@@mikeycrackson I don't even really consider becks to be an alcoholic beverage
You can sing along to the Robocop theme.
"He is a robot,
He is a cop,
He is a robot cop."
Leonard Rosenman's score for this and Star Trek was also eerily similar to sections of the Ralph Bakshi Lord of the Rings animated movie! I'm sure he had more than one tune in him but that composition did him pretty well!
A RLM episode on Monday?
Best way to start the week!
Predator 2 and RoboCop 2 are both delicious sequels. Love them both. If you do RoboCop 3, then it has to be in BOTW and Rich Evans has to be laughing all the time!
Better than most films made today.
Man I think you guys need to pay Nintendo everytime you say botw you going to get sued one day for that you know that
@@anubusx By far.
@@thesultrystrangerdanger6824 I don't know Nintendo. What botw do they have?
Zelda breath of the wild@@AtliJarlMartin
Colin and Mike. What a pleasant and enjoyable 48 minutes!
I like Robocop 2 as it felt like Kershner was attempting to recreate Verhoeven’s cinematography and pacing. It didn’t have the same comedic style of Verhoeven’s satirical edge, but it had some great moments. Robocop’s exchange with the gangster holding the baby hostage, for instance, is a brilliant little scene. That “nooo” almost has some human emotion to it, like he’s trying to put a wry twist into his response to let the guy know he wasn’t getting away that easily.
I genuinely thought the baby scene was in the first one for some reason.
Maybe I have a thick skull, but I never got why people seemed to dislike Robocop 2 so much.
@@youtubedj9298 I can see why people don't like it as much as the first(the first is a perfect movie though), but I was thrown off by how low the RT and IMDB scores for it are.
It's a grossly underrated movie.
@@jkcrawl RT?
Maybe because I saw the 3rd movie before I found out that people didn't like the 2nd one as much is why it throws me off.
The scene with the Robocop 2 prototypes was absolutely perfect and having a little kid gangster was great as well.
@@youtubedj9298 RT= Rotten Tomatoes
I agree and I think people misses the point of a lot of stuff in it. I thought the character of Cain himself was intended to be satirical and represent the polar opposite of the capitalist OCP. I thought he was supposed to be a self righteous, performative liberal that preaches peace, but is actually just as violent as those he opposes. He's like John Lennon in a sense that he sang and preached about peace, but behind closed doors he was a violent, selfish womanizer.
Cain preached about peace and indoctrinated people into his following, held himself up as a sort of messiah(I think he even compares to himself as jesus at one point), but really he was just a violent drug addict at the end of the day.
People say the kid character (Hobb) is pointless, but I think it's obvious that he's supposed to fit the narrative of being indoctrinated into a cult.
I think there's some legit criticisms about it, and it's certainly not as good as the first one, but I still think it's treated harshly.
"Wasn't Peter Weller in Star Trek?" "Yeah, he was in 'Enterprise.'"
Perfect. No notes.
The "Roboflop" scene is iconic to me. I might be over reaching but I'd even say it's the most memorable scene in the whole franchise.
The way the scientist winces and tugs on his arm that's in a sling. Just *_chef's kiss_*
"90 million."
@@MiniMackeroni or how the black businessman ducks down and slinks away during the shooting is hilarious when you notice it
And they “homaged” it in Iron Man 2!
The scientist rubbing his arm where one of the Roboflops shot him is stuck in my mind.
Re:View is my favorite. I just love when they talk about what makes them happy. Now, I need more Half in the Bag about super hero movies I won't watch but will listen to people dunk on.
these two categories of RLM video are my RUclips nectar.
WHEN’S THE NEXT PLINKETT REVIEW
I hope we get more commentary tracks, I think I know everyone by heart by now.
I just like that more and more channels are getting away from dunking on movies.
I had one of my worst days today. Thank you fellas, just seeing your fresh thumbnail makes such a difference!
Hang in there.
What did Megatron do this time?
That warehouse scene was giving me nightmares back in the day. Crazy killer robot coming for you... Very impressive that Goldie Wilson made it out of there alive.
I thought I was the only one, in my dream, I was fat guy who almost got away, but RoboCain would always shoot me through the walls.
For what it is worth Colin. I remember the Robocop TV series from when I was a kid, and I thought it was awesome.
My main issue with RoboCop 2 is that it has some weird pacing. After Cain is capture and turned into RoboCop 2, Murphy basically vanishes from the last 30 minutes of the movie until the finale.
It's called Robocop 2. Robocop 2 IS Cain. It's HIS movie bruh.
I noticed this when I rewatched the movie as an adult. He then re-appears with the ridiculous scene of the kids baseball team robbing the store where he immediatly "fixes" himself on the power transformer. Just.. really odd and bad choices in this film. Its still enjoyable and not a bad film though.
I just saw this last night for the first time! Mike must’ve been stalking me again, this timing is too perfect
I don't know but I just heard Justin Trudeau had sex with a cybernetic human being and that's why weed is legal something something Jewish space lasers
Today was a really crappy day, but I was super glad to see a new re view, but also it’s for ROBOCOP 2. Thanks RLM you made my evening.
Fun fact:
Robo Cop is so famous, that it inspired them to build an actual real-life bronze statue of the character Rocky Balboa in Philadelphia.
Were any film to inspire a bronze statue of Rocky Balboa, it'd be Rocky.
@@MaryBrownIsTheBlairWitch No, Rocky inspired them to build a steel statue of Darth Vader.
@casbyness Oh, lol, the OP was being 'funny'?
And Darth Vader inspired them to bankrupt Detroit
@@MaryBrownIsTheBlairWitch Yes, at least until the joke was tragically strangled in its crib 😢
Best intro ever with Mike mouthing the music…🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤😂😂😂
Thank you for mentioning Multiplicity. This movie gave me such an existential dread as a child, I erased it from my memory.
The idea of Robocop pinning a guy under an ice cream truck while it's described as "a kid friendly PG show" really reminds me of how I grew up watching 1000 ways to die
my favorite ron perlman role behind Hellboy
Great show!
Canadian Robocop was a lot nicer and forgiving.
1000 Ways To Die was fiction btw. I didn't realize that for a few years. Still not sure if the Murphy Bed death is possible but I'll still never try to hide in a folded up one.
Nah, some of them were based on real freak accidents, just the details were changed to make the people seem more shitty and "deserving" to die.
The scummy hollywood agent that got his insides sucked out by a jacuzzi vent actually happened to a little girl and led to like a huge redesign of jacuzzis iirc
The rude flight attendant that got sucked out of an airplane was reportedly a really nice employee IRL and was on her last flight before retiring
Yeah that show was wild. Looking back now, that show and the final destination movies probably fed into a lot of the anxiety that i developed as a young child
What a great video this was, i watched it to completion the moment it uploaded
Wow watching 40 minute video in one minute is super fast. Must be a world record!
you sound like a hack to me
@@whiteobama3032 It's almost like they didn't even really watch it!
You watched a video with 2 dudes to completion ?
@@halfadecade4770Maybe he means he reached completion while watching two dudes, and it only took a moment?
3:22 breaks my heart how brutal RUclips has gotten with demonetization. I remember RLM videos years ago where they could show this full clip.
Yt is gradually turning into a kids platform. Sure you can still find brutal stuff but there's that sinking feeling that at any moment they might erase everything.
I loved the 2nd movie as a kid and i still do as a 38 year old man. Thank you Red Letter Media for enabling my arrested development.
Compared to everything that followed, 'Robocop 2' is looking pretty damn sweet. Although it's more mean-spirited than the first and the score is lame, it's generally a solid follow-up. I think it kinda meanders plotwise, but the scenes with RoboCain are worth the admission price alone. Also, the sequence of failed prototypes is comedy gold!
The dynamic between Mike and Colin has the same energy as Robocop 2
lol
I actually have seen the television show. It’s cool to know someone from RLM was on it.
Missed you Colin from Canada
One thing that's always stuck out to me was how the "Old Man" became a heartless bastard since the first movie. He seemed like a decent enough guy in the original.
Not necessarily. Remember how he reacted in the first one to Kenny's death during ED-209's "Arrest Simulation" where it was less horror and more extreme disappointment as the little "glitch" would interfere with OCP's scheduled construction of Delta City AND cost the company millions of dollars in interest payments alone? He wasn't exactly a saint. So his character turn in the sequel isn't surprising.
I've always thought that Cain was the perfect foil for Robocop. Murphy is very conflicted about his cyborgfication and he tries hard to come as a human in the machine, he has a very hard time letting go his past life; Cain literally murders everyone in his past life and is the only Robocop 2 project subject who works because he already had a god complex that makes him shine as a machine. While Robocop becomes more and more human, Cain turns more and more monstruous, a real metal nightmare that talks in growls and tech shouts. Robocain as a concept is perfect.
Im one of the few who really enjoys Robocop 2. Its not better than the 1st. But Ive always loved how strong they make Murphy in the sequel. He went through way more in the sequel. From being torn apart, then frying his circuits to free himself from bad programming. Then being the 1st to stand up after falling through the street with Cain. It really showcases his will to survive.
I love it, I actually like it better than the first. I like him as a villain much more than Clarence. Clarence never seen intimidating or believable to me, you just seem like a balding nerdy dude with glasses and a high-pitched voice
It's a good movie and maybe people shouldn't compare to part 1 same as Jaws 2 it's solid sequel but far too often compared to the original Jaws
The score is such an integral part of why Robocop works. A year or so ago, I had a hankering for this movie, but Robocop 2 was the only one available on streaming. Hadn’t seen the sequel in a while. Spent the runtime just waiting for that brass theme to kick in. Credits roll and I was like “wtf?!”
I saw an interview where Leonard Rosenman actually said the score to Robocop 1 was bad, and he made a proper score for 2. But he just recycled his ST4 score. What a scam.
The score for 2 sounds like a cheap Jerry Goldsmith knock off. Not surprised it's the same composer as Voyage Home because that also had my least favourite score of the original ST films.
@@dominantprime Leonard Rosenman scored the Ralph Bakshi Lord of the Rings animated movie prior to Star Trek IV, and it's soundtrack also sounds similar.
@@KasumiKenshirou Yep I've also listened to his LOTR and heard the similar bits in that as well. Who knows how many times he just recycled the same themes, and which classical piece is it originally from? The ST4 and Robocop 2 recycling is just blatant though because it's nearly identical main themes prominently in the credits.
@@KasumiKenshirou- You beat me to it by a couple of hours. I had to pause the vid to go and find out where I knew that music from. Well played.
In the church of Paul Verhoeven, RoboCop, Total Recall, and Starship Troopers are the Holy Trinity.
Flesh and Blood is pretty raw and I've been meaning to watch Turkish Delight for a couple decades...
They skipped over the funniest line in the movie. Little kid is tagging his neighborhood, then tells Robo to go eff a refrigerator.
That was funny ah. Thought they would bring up the little league team looting.
I was 10 when this movie came out, and I wanted to see it sooo bad. I'd seen the original on VHS and the trailers for this had me going crazy. My buddy and I convinced his mom to take us to go see it, and I lied about my parents being ok with it. The first R-rated movie I saw in theaters. Such a memorable experience. Love this movie!
Did your parents find out?
How was the movie, at the time? With the experience?
@@nothingsacred8684 my parents never found out, but it was a close call. As we were sitting there waiting for the trailers to start, my older teenage brother walked in with his friends and saw us sitting there, and kinda laughed and was surprised to see me there. But he never told my parents. I think he thought it was funny.
@@thomr9131 I loved the movie at the time. I thought it was one of the most badass things I'd seen. I had read the novelization beforehand, so I pretty much knew what to expect as far as the story went, but seeing it play out on the big screen was amazing. I was actually worried that there would be boobs in it, and that would be embarrassing to have to sit and watch with my friend's mom, luckily there were none. I had no problem with the loads of graphic violence and countless f-bombs though for whatever reason.
Funny isn’t it that you can love a movie even though you know it’s not great just because off when you saw it, Masters of the universe and Rocky 4 are these for me😂
10:30 I've watched this movie a million times and today is the first day I've ever noticed the Beretta 93-R in the background (the same real world gun they modeled Robocop's Auto-9 from)
I loved it. As a kid I mostly grew up watching the 2nd and 3rd one since they were the ones that usually replayed the most on on network TV and I had to rent the first one to watch it.
Looking back now, my parents were out of their minds for letting a 9 year old watch Robocop 2 as much as I did. Man, the 90's were crazy.
I loved RoboCain as a kid. He is like the perfect movie monster for boys lol
Crazy? You mean EXTREME!
You got to admit, the hard cut end credits are awesome in both movies.
Colin: "... there's a lot of clarinets...." (21:29)
Robocop: **BRASS SECTION AT FULL BLAST**
That clip where they rewatch the failure robots shoot the scientist in the arm and he holds it, cracks me up every time. Great gag
For the longest time this was the most underrated sequel. Now thankfully it gets a lot more credit. Just the idea of a drug addicted robot is great.
Gremlins 2 was a great example. They added many more gremlins with different characters and gimmicks.
wasted opportunity to cite the Key and Peel sketch. Sexy Gremlin? It's iN~!
The bit of score Leonard Rosenman used in both Star Trek IV and RoboCop 2 is also near-identical to his Riders of Rohan theme from Ralph Bakshi’s Lord of the Rings.
In the final showdown, the grey cement building they smash Robocop2 into is Houston’s Tony Award-winning Alley Theatre, which I’ve always found amusing.
The balcony the old man and Johnson appear on is the Wortham Theatre and Opera House (the skyscraper floors were a matte painting effect)
Hell yeah, HTX representation is rare