Why ALIEN 3 is a Legitimately Great Film | RUE MORGUE TV
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- In this episode, Alex West revisits the much maligned sequel ALIEN 3, and looks at David Fincher's admittedly imperfect movie through a sympathetic lens.
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It grew to become my favorite Alien movie. despite its faws.. It's deeper, has themes on grief, faith, sense of community, redemption... In comparison Aliens is a very shallow action blockbuster. Aliens is a fun movie, but sadly people hated Alien3 simply because they wanted another Aliens, instead of appreciating the movie for itself. also, it went back to what Alien is supposed to be: horror
I don’t think Aliens is completely shallow.
@@MrShakespearefan not completely... but it is very shallow in comparison. Ripley has her mother-figure moment but that's it. It's all archetype characters, very correct action movie, entertaining.. but it's really just that: the blockbuster Alien movie
@@MarioLanzas. it’s not “just” that. An action blockbuster has just as much value as an art house film. It shouldn’t be dismissed. It’s excellently crafted, perfectly structured as has a great lead performance. I think Alien 3 underrated but I still enjoy Aliens more. The original is still the best I think. Yes Alien 3 is more artistic but what I like about the series is that there is contrast. Alien 3 is fascinating in how it contrasts with Aliens. I don’t think of movies as deep or shallow. I love Aliens and Alien 3 both for what they’re doing.
@@MrShakespearefan Alien 3 is my favourite but I would never call Aliens shallow either.
The assembly cut is brilliant. Its a bold movie that has aged very well. But it has to be the assembly cut. It fleshed out the inmate characters so that have definable personalities. Which is much needed as they all look similar.
The story also just makes a lot more sense when you watch the assembly cut.
Maybe I got xenomorph goggles on but I was a teenager when it came out. I had all the Kenner alien toys that followed its release. I loved it then and it's still one of my favorite films. The color palette, casting, acting, set design, score.... The plot had a few holes but eh, not a deal breaker. The Assembly cut is my current fav version but I like the theatrical just fine.
I will always defend it.
Yeah, it's a bit of a mess. Its production was LEGENDARILY insane, and it was pulled in so many different directions. That anything coherent came out of it is something of a miracle and testament to Fincher's skill.
As for the audience...the public wanted Aliens 2 with guns and marines and the happy hollywood ending.
I was delighted when that whole thing was ripped away, delighted at the bleak tone, the gorgeous cinematography and the beautiful, mournful score.
The endless moaning about Hicks and Newt are from people who just don't get the bleak. They want their happy hollywood thing to continue. I rubbed my hands together when it didn't.
You said it way more compact than I did :D Amen to that! Can't stand the moaning about Newt and Hicks. It is a testament to how most Hollywood goers are just in it for the soap to warm their hearts, not the picture. Alien Universe is inherently dark, depressing and bleak as a piece of art, all the way back to being based on Gigers work, also being a reflection of these aspects of life itself, which made it successful in the first place. Only after Cameron introduced the 'american hero military' aspect (which a lot of people didn't get, as it was not really meant that way) people wanted GI-Joe Alien³ Family and bash on A³ not playing by those numbers. Aliens introduced a lot more people to the fan base that would prolly usually prefer True Lies or Die Hard above any real Alien movie, who where just in it for the guns and explosions. I suspect if Aliens never would have had the military aspect (which I am not against, I think it was great) those cross section of fans would not have hurt the media reception of A³.
Alien 3 is the first born black sheep of two royals who expected their child to follow their footsteps but never did
Alien 3 will always be better than the gender essentialism of Aliens.
Alien broke stereotypes and Aliens attempted to embrace them. This is why Aliens theatrical is better than the special edition.
Alien 3 brings us back to the spirit of Alien by challenging us instead of force feeding us popcorn.
While I adore Aliens as an action and atmosphere Masterpiece, the last sentence I do still agree with. Well said. Apparently, most audiences do not like to be challenged, and that seems to be also a large part of the Alien fan base.
I watched Alien 3 as a kid before watching the first two and thought it was amazing.
Same with me and I think that's why I can love it so much. The VHS box drew me in and I was mesmerized by the world of Alien 3. I eventually saw 1 and 2, maybe years later and they were great, but 3 is imprinted on me.
Although this is an older video it just came up for me. Great video and I love Alien 3.
Very insightful thoughts, Alex! Having her chosen family ripped away and having to face the one that she is trying to rid herself of is a great way of looking at this. I honestly like Alien 3 more than Aliens. I just prefer the more grounded and weighty themes and characters here than the overblown cartoon character Marines that are all over Cameron’s film.
You prefer one of the single worst and lamest sequels ever made to one of the single greatest, most wonderful sequels ever made? 👏👏👏👏👏
@@Nicolas.Vincent what a dumb take. Spoken like someone that doesn't watch enough movies.
Great insight and commentary. This is what makes RM the best source of Horror info\commentary on the planet, likely in the universe. Thanks for such a great resource.
@MarioLanzas . Agreed! While Aliens is my favorite in the franchise, Alien 3 is a VERY close second for all the reasons you mentioned. I enjoy it for so many reasons and it's really sad that is disliked or not rated higher. Like the commenter said, if you take this movie on it's own, it's a really good film. I think it's a really good flick over all. 90% on my movie meter!
I always liked this movie. It's overhated.
How? Is Terminator 3 too?
I like alien 3 better than aliens. Last time I watched aliens it felt so childish by comparison
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Some people have serious Alien 3 derangement syndrome. They expected Aliens 3 and had their fee-fees hurt when Newt and Hicks died.
I remember when it came out the thing that stuck with me most was the inconsistency of the marketing. Obviously this was a result of a messed up production. The comic version made no sense and they tried to sell us an ERTL model kit of the escape vessel……basically a door wedge!
Alien³ is a good film in the same way that Halloween 3: Season of the Witch was. Or even Halloween Kills. They are best enjoyed as standalones that exist concurrently, albeit separately from their eponymous franchises.
“Alien 3 is not an adrenaline-spiker like Alien or Aliens. Because Alien 3 is just not a creature feature - it’s a film about death.
Not only that, it’s a film about confronting and accepting death, and what can be achieved when that happens. For me, the result is nothing less than the kind of exercise in existentialism novelist Albert Camus might have made if he’d gone into horror flicks.”
- Andrew Lowry
Cameron killed the franchise by making it a ridiculous shoot em up.
People don't understand the movie.
Alien was a phenomenal film, Aliens was a silly shoot em up with shallow characters, Alien 3 was flawed but better and I would have killed off Ripley at the start also, Ripley was great in the first film but for realism it would have been better to see other actors in the sequels.
Newt etc were bland rubbish Holywood junk characters.
The alien is horrifying it should be a well written and directed film not a Call Of Duty game.
I love both cuts of Alien 3. But the Assembly Cut is far superior than the theatrical cut. It fixes a lot of the pacing issues & also reintroduces a lot missing scenes….oh & it rectified the problem with the toxic waste disposal that’s seen / mentioned but never used.
Alien 3 is something of a flawed masterpiece & I think after the upbeat ending of Aliens with Ripley, Hicks & Newt being almost a family people found the dystopian vibe of Alien 3 hard to get their heads round. Hicks & Newt needed to die, to continue to keep Ripley isolated. Throughout the films Ripley lost everything; the crew of the Nostromo, her daughter, the marines.
From the moment the Fox fanfare starts to end & distort, it helps set the tone for the film. This isn’t a pleasant film & I think Fincher did incredible even though the studio fucked his vision up so so badly. Not to mention his DP; the legendary Jordan Cronenweth had to leave the shoot due to his advancing Parkinson’s.
The cast in Alien 3 is absolutely incredible; Brian Glover (Andrews) played some awesome roles in his time. Then throw Ralph Brown, Charles S Dutton & Charles Dance into the mix & it’s just excellent.
Fun Fact: I went to art college not far from where they filmed the EEV impact & Ripley washing up on the beach; Blast Beach in Seaham, North East England. Also parts of the blast furnaces that are on the Tees Estuary feature in the matte paintings; although they filmed some scenes at Blyth Power Station.
It’s worth noting that the same area of the Tees Estuary was the influence for the opening sequence of Blade Runner. Ridley Scott attended the same college I previously mentioned. Due to him growing up in the area, he took a lot of inspiration from the blast furnaces & oil refineries that dotted the landscape.
During filming Tom Woodruff from Amalgamated Dynamics spent up to thirteen hours inside the creature suit for certain scenes.
I was 12 when this came out and it totally blew my mind. I've wasted a lot of time and fun being stubbornly contrarian, but now that's passed I'm still in ❤ with this film.
The atmosphere is so gross, dark, glum and hopeless. I love the funeral scene, and the way Ripley takes the helm with a bunch of convicts, who aren't all 2 dimensional.
It warms my heart to hear this film get some praise. 🎉
Characters in Alien³:
Bald Ripley
Bald White men
A Bald Black man
Bishop II?
They aren't all 2 dimensional, they're one dimensional! They're not even characters!
@@Nicolas.VincentAbsolute BS. You just fail to capture nuance when people do not carry large guns in a military outfit cracking jokes. And please remind me of the incredible depth of any of the characters in Alien 1.
@@harrysanders818 absoute tasteless gutter trash, along with the taste of any one of it's fans! Heartless, useless cash grab, studio fanfic, generic Slasher schlock trash. Nuance? Alien, characters had acutal personalities. Alien³ fanfic had bald men, all impossible to feel any sympathy for. Nobody is remotely relatable or likable, or sympathetic, and there to do nothing but die for an unimpressed, unsatisfied and underwhelmed audience. Alien³ is fkn gutter trash for fkn gutter trash!
@@harrysanders818 absoute tasteless gutter garbage, along with the taste of any one of it's fans! Heartless, useless cash grab, studio fanfic, generic Slasher schlock. Nuance? Alien, characters had acutal personalities. Alien³ fanfic had bald men, all impossible to feel any sympathy for. Nobody is remotely relatable or likable, or sympathetic, and there to do nothing but die for an unimpressed, unsatisfied and underwhelmed audience. Alien³ is Absolute gutter garbage!
@@harrysanders818 absoute tasteless gutter fifth, along with the taste of any one of it's fans! Heartless, tasteless cash grab, studio fanfic, generic Slasher schlock. Nuance? Alien, characters had acutal personalities. Alien³ fanfic had bald men, all impossible to feel any sympathy for. Nobody is remotely relatable or likable, or sympathetic, and there to do nothing but die for an unimpressed, unsatisfied and underwhelmed audience. Alien³ is Absolute gutter filth!
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Alien 3 Assembly Cut with a CGI enhancement this movie could be a 8.5
The assembly cut is pretty great honestly. The only thing that really lets this movie down is that early CGI.
It wasn't CGI, it was rod puppetry that wasn't rendered right
I'd add that also, it's a terrible movie.
@@Nicolas.Vincent Nah, it's not as Generic as Aliens was.
@@ShadowSonic2 "Bay 12, please.", is a better line than the entirety of Alien³! 🤷♂️
Bad rotoscoping and bad communication between the design and building team for it@@ShadowSonic2
An underrated film but the assembly cut is definitely an improvement. One thing that bugs me about Alien3 onward is it introduced the ADI "fleshy" alien designs which I'm not at all a fan of. Gone was Giger's biomechanoid aesthetic.
Explain how Alien³ is underrated.
Well, like with any piece of art it's my opinion. I like the gloomy nihilistic atmosphere it captured, right from the get go killing off Newt and Hicks. Pretty bold. Has a great soundtrack by Elliot Goldenthal and barring the truly awful sequel that came after it was in my opinion a bittersweet ending to Ripley's story@@Nicolas.Vincent
@@Stillenacht3D Fair enough. The killing off of Newt & Hicks I wouldn't consider bold so much as insulting to the audience, rendering her entire struggle and previous 2 triumphs (which made her the ultimate Final Girl of all time, neck and neck only with Sarah Conner) completely meaningless. The previous 2 Scores, I would argue are much better, and in much better films. They even used the Aliens Score in the trailer for Alien³! And again, not so much a bitter sweet anything, so much as an embittering story and embittering ending to one of the single greatest and most beloved film characters in cinematic history! They f'd up! There are 4 characters in Alien³. Ripley, Bishop II, Xenodog/XenoOx, and amalgamated bald guy. Part 4 may be worse, but I'd also argue that that doesn't effect a rating for a previous installment. Alien³ doesn't render Aliens lesser, nor does Terminator 3 render Judgement Day lesser.
I'd even go so far as to say there are lines of dialog in Aliens that are singularly better than the entirely of Alien³. "Bay 12, please!" Is better than Alien³! 😂 Imo. But if ya like it, ya like it! 🤷♂️ no hate, but do you really like Alien³? Or do you just really want to like Alien³? I really want to like Alien³, but Alien and Aliens! 🤷♂️ Beyond being insulting, it's hella boring.
@@Stillenacht3D I can agree tho, they should have stuck with Geiger for all the films! My least favourite parts of Aliens is the look of the Xenomorphs and chest buster (they actually look like hand puppets to me) but I LOVE the Xenomorph Queen! As terrible and cheesy as AVP was, I still loved the Queen in it!
Back when it came out I initially hated it as a 13 year old. But looking at it again as I'm older it did grow on me. I don't love this movie by no means, the original 1979 will always be my favorite but I don't think it's THAT bad@@Nicolas.Vincent
Charles Dance alone is reason enough for me to love Alien3! I've been saying it for years. Its a good movie! Its not as good as Alien or Aliens, but it's a good movie!
Great how they kill off the only likable and sympathetic character so early, and Ripley's only ally. Not even Ripley is likable in this flick! Everyone else is just an amalgamated bald guy. I wouldn't see how that validates loving the story or movie overall. This is a movie people want to love because they love Ripley, they love the Alien, but that doesn't make it a good movie. I'd more call it a bad movie, Producer FanFic.
@@Nicolas.Vincent dude, did you even watch the video you are commenting on? People like it for its depth that you either can't or don't want to comprehend. You clearly hate it because it killed off characters that YOU love, even though they are shallow and boring characters made to please general audiences. Gtf outta here with your dumb nonsense.
7:35 This is the dumbest take on this movie I've ever heard.
I remember going to the cinema with my friends to watch Alien 3. Just 1 minute in (when we discovered Hicks and Newt were dead) we looked at each other in the dark and I said: "I already hate this movie, should we walk out?". One of my friends said: "We paid for it, we better stay". To this day, he still regrets having said that.
I still do not understand why the Alien producers insisted during the years in producing anything but the sequel the fans were asking for (Aliens on Earth). They even teased it in the first teaser trailer for Alien 3. At least we have the comics.
Nope, still sucks.
Where's the part that explain how "great" it is? By the end not even YOU are convinced it is.
Alien 3 was the Nickelback of 1992
*spit take 😂
This isn't going to be a rip off of that brilliant NYU students video which explained why Alien3 is a masterpiece from a few years ago, is it? Amazing video. Fooled me into watching Alien 3 again for an hour until I turned it off because of how boring the movie is. I love Alien but damn Alien 3 is dull.
I hope you don't compare Alien3 to the Garden of Eartly Delights...
Alien³ is nothing but Producer funded fan fiction. If Jonsey ain't in it, it ain't an Alien flick!
Who ever said it wasn't?
Everybody who ever saw it.
It's come under a lot of fire, to be sure.
It was horrible back in 92& horrible now! Alien & aliens the best!! Been a long time fan since 79
A good film 🎥 haha 😂 OMG 😂😂😂
The acting was horrible! Cringe factor 🙄