Alien 3 - What Happened?

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  • @maugos
    @maugos 4 года назад +819

    That has got to be one of my favorite stupid things Hollywood execs do.
    "We want this movie to be made quickly, but instead we're gonna take several years of saying no to scripts only to then scramble to get things done when we realize we took too long."

    • @battlion507
      @battlion507 4 года назад +95

      It's like they took 20 detours to end up on the wrong destination when it was just a couple miles...
      Just dumb.

    • @bruceluiz
      @bruceluiz 4 года назад +56

      Basically "we put money in, things come out". No matter how much THEY delay or how much THEY interfere, its all the "ground team" problem.
      Considering how much money they input it is more than fair that they get a say on the matter and interfere but not 24/7 and not this erroneous. In essence they played the overly-jealous husband/wife who fcked their marriage because of their jealous attacks and still blamed the other part.

    • @NucleaRaptor
      @NucleaRaptor 4 года назад +40

      >committing to all sorts of deadlines and schedules before the script is even approved
      Hollywood is such a clusterfuck. I'm glad it's burning.

    • @andrewdunn5568
      @andrewdunn5568 Год назад +2

      Sounds like where i work. We had a 3 year plan and rushed everything into the last 6 months

    • @steviegbcool
      @steviegbcool Год назад +2

      @@battlion507 to be fair they did stick their necks out it was a very risky movie. killing off the characters, getting rid of everything that made Aliens so successfull and puting an artistic rookie in charge. That would never happen now with a 100 million movie. so at least some props for that.

  • @raptorshotgun4107
    @raptorshotgun4107 4 года назад +866

    If only we had listened to Fincher, instead of walling him up in the abandoned coke oven.

    • @kathy618
      @kathy618 4 года назад +5

      2 ATOMS!

    • @strikeforce1500
      @strikeforce1500 4 года назад +37

      What? Hearing the people expert in making movies? Nah fam, the people who do know how to make movies are the suits, you know the one who studied all their lives to understand numbers and managing bussiness and.. not to make movies

    • @JakeTheVoice
      @JakeTheVoice 4 года назад +9

      Ripley needs braces

    • @jackfarr3133
      @jackfarr3133 4 года назад +5

      BOSH. FLIMSHAW.

    • @torquetheprisoner
      @torquetheprisoner 4 года назад +17

      this movie show how good of a director he realy is cos it shows that he can work from next to no script no money a tight dead line and studio interference.

  • @KoolKeithProductions
    @KoolKeithProductions 4 года назад +602

    James Cameron: "Alien 3 was a smack in the face to the fans..."
    Also James Cameron: Green lights Terminator Dark Date, which kills off John Connor in the first 5 damn mins of the movie...

    • @jakerockznoodles
      @jakerockznoodles 3 года назад +91

      Age sure takes a toll on the mind...

    • @luizfelipevbf5567
      @luizfelipevbf5567 3 года назад +89

      @DoodooMcSparkz A long time ago he admitted he doesn't like any of the Terminator sequels but praised them anyway because the producers were usually his friends or were paying him a fee. He praised both Gensys and Salvation before they came out just to shitalk them after they left theaters

    • @jackdaft258
      @jackdaft258 3 года назад +30

      Yeah, James Cameron is a twat.

    • @CoffeePotGames
      @CoffeePotGames 3 года назад +11

      I'm that one guy that likes every Terminator movie

    • @KoolKeithProductions
      @KoolKeithProductions 3 года назад +44

      @@CoffeePotGames How do you live with yourself

  • @Nintendrone42
    @Nintendrone42 4 года назад +517

    I'd love to know what the Fox executives' reasons were for scrapping all of those scripts. It reminds me of the Super Mario Bros. movie script that seemed way better than what we got. Also, I can't help but grin at seeing the xenomorph being played by a small dog in a suit. That dog should've gotten top billing, dammit.

    • @JamesTheDominator
      @JamesTheDominator 4 года назад +7

      Budget. It was already way over budget

    • @flipsidelimited6560
      @flipsidelimited6560 4 года назад +16

      In SMB case, the hire on directors changed everything that was originally written and agreed with the actors.

    • @dontgetmarried
      @dontgetmarried 2 месяца назад

      Alien: the goodest boy in space

  • @zekebrown4463
    @zekebrown4463 4 года назад +383

    I always hated how they killed off all the other characters from Aliens. Kinda cheapens the impact from Aliens when all of the characters die immediately afterwards.

    • @troyjardine5850
      @troyjardine5850 4 года назад +74

      While the Alien films have always had a foreboding sense of dread and pessimism, killing off Newt and Hicks was just too mean spirited for the films. Though it's still not the worst that came from the series, that (dis)honor belongs to Randy Pitchford and his sack of lies and shit "Aliens: Colonial Marines".

    • @crustypaladin
      @crustypaladin 4 года назад +6

      Aliens nightmare asylum and earth war

    • @generic_sauce
      @generic_sauce 4 года назад +1

      @@grayamirYT there are actually pretty good books based on that, but yeah it was a copyright issue on the names. Both Hicks and Newt had to have their names changed in these.

    • @repletereplete8002
      @repletereplete8002 4 года назад

      @@grayamirYT Yeah I bought them when they first came out as individual issues and I swear they're called Newt and Hicks in those. They must have been changed for later re-issues?

    • @andrewpeterson7134
      @andrewpeterson7134 4 года назад +6

      Aliens colonial marines was the biggest slap in the face to me as a aliens fan and the fact I waited 10 years for a alien stand alone game then the fact they didn’t deliver what they promised us at the revieal it has to be the biggest slap in. The face to fans ever made in this franchises history

  • @StealthMaster86
    @StealthMaster86 4 года назад +484

    "We set out to make a release date"
    Unfortunately, that's still a thing.

    • @MemeMachine-po9zo
      @MemeMachine-po9zo 4 года назад +7

      That's how almost all movies are made At this point.

    • @bobafett4265
      @bobafett4265 4 года назад

      @@Xehanort10 yeah like Alien 3 and Ghost Rider 2, which would defiantly be great What Happened? Material right there, possibly worth a look due to it's disappointment, here's hoping that Ghost Rider 2 What Happened video will happen. 🤞😉

    • @biffman6
      @biffman6 3 года назад +4

      @@MemeMachine-po9zo most AAA video games too, it seems

    • @andrewcooke4251
      @andrewcooke4251 3 года назад +2

      Electronic arts.......

  • @lordlizard2195
    @lordlizard2195 4 года назад +479

    You totaly forgot thath part when they ignored H.R.Giger triing to get on project, used his new xenomorph design he send them and kinda forgot to credit him

    • @BearOldcastle
      @BearOldcastle 4 года назад +57

      That's a raw deal.

    • @lazyrmc
      @lazyrmc 4 года назад +30

      That's a big oof, right there

    • @Karloss00
      @Karloss00 4 года назад +33

      @@pepijn23 He also said the Aliens in Resurrection look like "walking turds".

    • @thunderphoenix440
      @thunderphoenix440 4 года назад +20

      And then he faxed them a letter threatening to like, curse them, and signed it with a bloody pentagram.

    • @BirdsElopeWithTheSun09
      @BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 4 года назад +6

      No they didn't, *they* were the ones who contacted *him*, but they thought his designs were too weird, so they designed it themselfs.

  • @MrRedskins94
    @MrRedskins94 4 года назад +180

    I couldn't control myself seeing them putting a xenomorph suit on a dog

  • @GenerationWest
    @GenerationWest 4 года назад +367

    The fact that you can make What Happened's on every sequel after Aliens brings a tear to my eye... I also find it weird that each movie afterwards does the Resident Evil movie thing and just kill off characters in-between films or during the beginning. That's what you get for caring I guess.

    • @mauricedavis8261
      @mauricedavis8261 2 года назад +2

      Good point!!!🙏👍😷

    • @marcos.a8814
      @marcos.a8814 2 года назад +8

      Well imagine being Matt who's a predator fan, ya know... the series that only has 1 good movie out of like 6

    • @mountaindewdruggie
      @mountaindewdruggie 2 года назад +4

      @@marcos.a8814 2 good movies*, Predator 2 is underrated

    •  Год назад +1

      @@mountaindewdruggie debatable

    • @WillPaskee
      @WillPaskee Год назад

      @ yeah, i'd say Predators is about tied with 3rd place

  • @MattMatt77
    @MattMatt77 4 года назад +427

    That is literally the Worst/Best thing I ever saw so they dressed a actual dog up as a alien.

    • @Blacknight8850
      @Blacknight8850 4 года назад +28

      There's clips out there of the dog running around in costume, it's hilarious!

    • @thunderphoenix440
      @thunderphoenix440 4 года назад +10

      It's kind of like when that guy dressed his corgi up as a giant spider and let it loose in the park.

    • @EuroMIX2
      @EuroMIX2 4 года назад +5

      Okay, I need to see this Spider Corgi. Do you have a link to it?

    • @naddy995
      @naddy995 4 года назад +1

      Ditto! I would love some spider corgi in my life, danke.

    • @thunderphoenix440
      @thunderphoenix440 4 года назад +4

      @@EuroMIX2 I can't find the original video of it, and also it was a daschund. i.ytimg.com/vi/YoB8t0B4jx4/hqdefault.jpg

  • @BSG1892
    @BSG1892 4 года назад +184

    So glad this didn’t ruin David Fincher’s career before it started. Too bad it killed the Alien franchise which still hasn’t recovered.

    • @plasmaoctopus1728
      @plasmaoctopus1728 4 года назад +11

      ehh, it had a chance to recuperate but failed worse.

    • @robjabbaz
      @robjabbaz 4 года назад +29

      resurrection killed the franchise.

    • @xDinomanx
      @xDinomanx 4 года назад +26

      @@robjabbaz It's a shame cause Neil Blomkamp (director of several amazing movies including District 9) was going to be the director for Alien 5 which got scrapped. There goes any chance of redemption of the franchise there (and also because I think Neil would be the perfect director for it).

    • @plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009
      @plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 4 года назад +16

      If you take everything about David off in Alien convenant, and just focus on that crew and the shit that happens to them in the surface and them in the ship it would be a awesome stand alone Alien movie
      But no, Ridley Scott wanted so much to focus on androids and artificial life in the Alien franchise that he forgot Balde runner existed and he could easily make another one

    • @JogJogJog15
      @JogJogJog15 4 года назад +11

      @@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 Alien died so Blade Runner 2049 could live

  • @rougeblackborn
    @rougeblackborn 4 года назад +384

    How was the phrase 'wooden satellite' used more than once without the speaker being laughed out of the room?

    • @rageagainstthehygiene2357
      @rageagainstthehygiene2357 4 года назад +52

      As amazingly stupid as it sounds, people who have actually read it generally regard it really highly. Aliens was nothing like Alien, it wouldnt have been that big of a deal to make Alien 3 another huge departure.

    • @viscountrainbows6452
      @viscountrainbows6452 4 года назад +17

      I personally like the concept, but I'm a weirdo😹 It could be the basis for a space mystery and some wicked wacky wizardry to invent to make this celestial holiday ornament full of swordless Jedi more compelling than as stupid as it may look on paper.

    • @suspicioustumbleweed4760
      @suspicioustumbleweed4760 4 года назад +4

      @@TheLinkandmarioshow I was thinking the same thing. Or maybe petrified wood?

    • @leonardobianucci6218
      @leonardobianucci6218 4 года назад +6

      I mean. I see potential to the idea if re prhase it like some kind of plant/tree that consume a little planet or asteroid and the hollow roots take the shape of it and float around a orbit.

    • @Mario_N64
      @Mario_N64 3 года назад +6

      It was more of a steampunk thing, it was really well thought out. Very expensive to film though.

  • @Kevillion
    @Kevillion 4 года назад +235

    James Cameron's thoughts on Alien 3: "A huge slap in the face to the fans"
    I wonder if he feels the same way about Terminator Dark Fate?

    • @unclefranklin4575
      @unclefranklin4575 4 года назад +33

      after dark fate came out Cameron tried to save himself and say he actually didn't see anything but bits and pieces when he approved it and didn't know the final product was that bad.

    • @ALIRStudio87
      @ALIRStudio87 4 года назад +35

      Thank you. Dark fate was garbage.

    • @unclefranklin4575
      @unclefranklin4575 4 года назад +20

      @@onometre there's a big disconnect between critics and audiences. And that critical score hasn't kept Cameron from walking back his involvement.

    • @CrimsonGear80
      @CrimsonGear80 4 года назад +13

      Uncle Franklin you are confusing Dark Fate with Genysis. Cameron was a producer on Dark Fate so he definitely saw that entire movie...

    • @unclefranklin4575
      @unclefranklin4575 4 года назад +3

      @@CrimsonGear80 I don't believe him, In fact I think he's just making excuses after the fact. Although the director did say he was barely involved on set or in the editing room so maybe there's some truth there.

  • @matrixandraia
    @matrixandraia 4 года назад +67

    Fortunately for David Fincher, he's since proven that he was waaaaaaaaay too good for what Fox did to him while he was making Alien 3.

    • @thatonenerd9252
      @thatonenerd9252 3 года назад

      What has David Fincher done?

    • @matrixandraia
      @matrixandraia 3 года назад +19

      @@thatonenerd9252 Fight Club, Panic Room, Gone Girl, Benjamin Button, Zodiac. All of his movies are outstanding.

    • @reservoirfrogs2177
      @reservoirfrogs2177 Год назад +6

      @@matrixandraia You forgot Se7en

  • @7783DEATH
    @7783DEATH 4 года назад +328

    Its all just sad really. And I like alien3 assembly cut for what its worth. There are so many nuggets of brilliance in the film.

    • @damienhelmold6978
      @damienhelmold6978 4 года назад +18

      It made me wanna jack off and cry at the same time

    • @bigkmoviesandgames
      @bigkmoviesandgames 4 года назад +5

      @@damienhelmold6978 I can't recall any sexually arousing scenes.

    • @generic_sauce
      @generic_sauce 4 года назад +10

      I feel the worst for the actors, a lot of them are clearly giving it their all.

    • @bigkmoviesandgames
      @bigkmoviesandgames 4 года назад +8

      @@ressljs I also love alien 3 it's just so unique and has that sense of dread that aliens often lacked.

    • @bigkmoviesandgames
      @bigkmoviesandgames 4 года назад +4

      @@ressljs I know what you mean. 3 really is a hidden gem.

  • @5persondude
    @5persondude 3 года назад +38

    “Fox believed that the Cold War would be over by the time the movie was out”
    Fox: *_hampers movie’s progress so it releases after the Cold War ends_* “See? We were right al along!”

  • @rutabaga_rutabaga
    @rutabaga_rutabaga 4 года назад +274

    If you do another movie flop (besides Dragon Ball Evolution and Avatar the Last Airbender), can you cover the 2015 Fantastic Four film?

    • @nossunossu5569
      @nossunossu5569 4 года назад +35

      Oh god, was it really from 2015? Time passes too fast

    • @kaiokenkaiowhat9343
      @kaiokenkaiowhat9343 4 года назад +10

      Specially after Josh Trank recently gave his thoughts on the whole ordeal to Polygon.

    • @martinrking
      @martinrking 4 года назад +3

      Oh my god, somehow I ended up looking down that rabbit hole... what a total mess. I can’t believe Michael B Jordan did that movie.

    • @viraleffectz
      @viraleffectz 4 года назад

      I hope he does Waterworld

    • @rustymcbadbat
      @rustymcbadbat 4 года назад +6

      Shit i could see an entire Wha Happun episode on Josh Trank’s dumpster fire of a career

  • @xDinomanx
    @xDinomanx 4 года назад +247

    I honestly wish they had gone with the first script idea of Ripley, Newt and Hicks taking on Weyland Yutani to destroy them. There could've been so much potential there to go all out with the xenos given Weyland's interest in the aliens and also to give Hicks the leading role as was the original director's intent. Poor Hicks and Newt got done dirty big time. The Alien 3 we got in the end was okay I guess.

    • @rootfelixfake6716
      @rootfelixfake6716 4 года назад +33

      Yeah, having a happy ending starring three characters people actually like, you'd think it would make for a nice movie, shocker

    • @xDinomanx
      @xDinomanx 4 года назад +9

      @@rootfelixfake6716 You could still have Ripley die at the end. e.g. Dies to CEO of Weyland or to a Xeno.

    • @rootfelixfake6716
      @rootfelixfake6716 4 года назад +23

      @@xDinomanx It's not really her dying but the rest of the story being super depressing, and resurrection makes this even worse by stating that her sacrifice was for nothing.

    • @xDinomanx
      @xDinomanx 4 года назад +5

      @@rootfelixfake6716 Oh yeah, they pretty much botched it. Although i did enjoy Resurrection as a kid, it's definately one of the worst Alien movies as a whole (does have some cool action sequences though).

    • @trevordavis6830
      @trevordavis6830 4 года назад +19

      Honestly, I'm not against them killing any of the characters off, but the fact that they did off screen with zero build up or weight behind really annoys me. They were such important characters in the last film and all they got was like 5 seconds of establishing that they're dead and 2 seconds of mourning.

  • @mattieguilliams129
    @mattieguilliams129 2 года назад +17

    The brutality that they shot the scene of the autopsy of Newt still haunts me today. And breaks my mind in not knowing "why did they do that!?"

    • @SebastianJung422
      @SebastianJung422 7 месяцев назад

      Alien 3 isn't just embarrassing and ridiculous, it's an absolute disaster.
      The autopsy scene with Newt makes me so angry and sad every time.
      Even David Fincher hates and despises this shitty movie.

  • @Rozza2k
    @Rozza2k 3 года назад +20

    I felt bishop was going to be revealed as a villain in the third, I always thought he implanted an alien into Hicks then put him to sleep and opened the doors for the aliens earlier. There was a line he says "they wanted a live specimen, they were quite clear about that" that always stuck with me

  • @huxleyable
    @huxleyable 4 года назад +23

    Treating David Fincher like this on his first movie makes me remember that one time a Studio suit told Steven Spielberg that he would ammount to nothing in Hollywood

    • @justinaysien1204
      @justinaysien1204 3 года назад +5

      Well history proved him wrong in the end didn’t it

  • @DarkMProductions
    @DarkMProductions 4 года назад +83

    I'm one of those that has come around to this film. I absolutely hated it the first time I saw it, but when I saw the assembly cut I started to change my mind on it. While not the film Fincher wanted to make, his talent is very clear in it, and you even see early signs of his style that he would develop and refine over the years.
    I like the bleak and oppressive tone, the visuals are often gorgeous, the acting is top notch, the music while a bit over the top at times is fantastic, and I like that all three of the first Alien films didn't try to replicate each other, they all approached the concept in a unique way. While the most flawed of the first three Alien films, I think it's on par with the first two. However, had Fincher been able to make the film he wanted, I think it could have easily been the best.

    • @barrygeistwhite3474
      @barrygeistwhite3474 4 года назад +7

      Same here. It's absolutely a flawed film, but it has moments of brilliance. Genie-from-a-bottle? One of my wishes would be to see the movie that Alien3 could have been.

    • @jasonblalock4429
      @jasonblalock4429 4 года назад +9

      Yeah, in a lot of ways Alien3 is a testament to just how talented Fincher already was. The film *should* have been an absolutely unwatchable dumpster fire, but Fincher's skill with the camera and working with actors was still enough to elevate it to "watchable."

    • @battlion507
      @battlion507 4 года назад

      So how was alien Ressurection?

    • @DarkMProductions
      @DarkMProductions 4 года назад +7

      @@battlion507 it was something all right. It has its moments, and Ron Perlman is always a delight, but it comes across more as a spoof of the first three films, rather than a continuation. It's still entertaining, but like the first AVP film, I put it in it's own seperate camp.

  • @RoastedPheasant
    @RoastedPheasant 4 года назад +87

    "If you're like me- and I know I am."
    Aww Matt. Why do you do these things that hurt us so?

  • @panelsandbars1529
    @panelsandbars1529 4 года назад +97

    I always wonder if he’d return to this genre nowadays. With his experience and and vision, it could be mind-blowing.

    • @cubanref9670
      @cubanref9670 4 года назад +5

      David Fincher is so badass that even Jim Cameron is a fan!

    • @onethousandlostsouls
      @onethousandlostsouls 4 года назад +20

      Mike Manhattan He's directed Se7en, Fight Club, Panic Room, Girl with the dragon tattoo, Gone Girl. He's an amazing director with his own style and atmosphere so it's a surprise he got another chance after Aliens 3

    • @RoguePlanetSounds
      @RoguePlanetSounds 4 года назад +6

      @@onethousandlostsouls Don't forget the wonderful Mindhunter too. But yeah you got most of em lol.

    • @onethousandlostsouls
      @onethousandlostsouls 4 года назад +2

      Rogue Planet Forgot about that one! What's funny is I didn't know he directed it till I 5 minutes into the first episode and cuz how the color filter looked and the music. I'm like " did David Fincher direct this?" Lol

    • @RoguePlanetSounds
      @RoguePlanetSounds 4 года назад +1

      @@onethousandlostsouls So dark and saturated if those are the right words but I love it. I can't wait for season 3, it's really neat seeing him do another realistic drama.

  • @fredrickbanks1966
    @fredrickbanks1966 4 года назад +65

    Fox: Ya can’t spell Alien without “Lie”

  • @KingGargantuas
    @KingGargantuas 4 года назад +129

    am I the only one who so wants to see him cover the Spawn movie from 1997?

    • @Tareltonlives
      @Tareltonlives 4 года назад +3

      Me too!

    • @KremBotop
      @KremBotop 4 года назад +5

      John Luigizamo’s cheerleader dance as the Violator was the stuff of nightmares

    • @MeluhKnight
      @MeluhKnight 4 года назад +1

      I'm sure a lot of people do

  • @barcey
    @barcey 4 года назад +57

    Now this might be torture but how about a What happened? Episode on Highlander 2?

    • @ROBOTPETER101
      @ROBOTPETER101 4 года назад +6

      How can he do a video on a movie that doesn't exist.

    • @bigkmoviesandgames
      @bigkmoviesandgames 4 года назад

      @@ROBOTPETER101 ?

    • @barcey
      @barcey 4 года назад +9

      @@bigkmoviesandgames
      The joke is that Highlander 2 is so bad that every Highlander fan pretends it never happened.

    • @Lightspeeds
      @Lightspeeds 4 года назад +7

      @@bigkmoviesandgames the later highlander films are so bad that the fandom collectively ignore them.

    • @blaidencortel
      @blaidencortel 4 года назад

      THERE IS NO HIGHLANDER 2!!!

  • @GenericSoda
    @GenericSoda 4 года назад +50

    oh man seeing that dog crammed into the alien costume gives me bad feels
    good to see it realized what was going on and refused to act

  • @BirdsElopeWithTheSun09
    @BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 4 года назад +32

    Killing off Hicks and Newt was a bad decision, but Alien 3 is not a bad movie on its own. It's a very dark and atmospherical movie, and honestly very unique for a sequel to an action blockbuster. Morse, Dillon and Clemens were awesome new characters. The movie looks and sounds fantastic, Elliot Goldenthal's score is absolutely perfect. The alien becoming different depending on what animal the host was, is a really cool addition. Ripley's death scene is really well done, and even though Aliens was already pretty much a perfect ending, this is still a great send off for the Ripley character. Far better than what they did with her in Resurrection. I'm really glad this movie exists.

    • @ForrestFox626
      @ForrestFox626 Год назад +3

      Everything you just said is a lie

    • @BirdsElopeWithTheSun09
      @BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 Год назад

      @@ForrestFox626 Yeah, but it's opposite day, so it's all true.

    • @nestormelendez9005
      @nestormelendez9005 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09yyyeeeeah no

    • @superdrinkingpepsi
      @superdrinkingpepsi 4 месяца назад

      @@ForrestFox626 Say what you want about the quality of the movie, but the score is absolutely fantastic

    • @ForrestFox626
      @ForrestFox626 4 месяца назад

      @@superdrinkingpepsi True

  • @joshuagiezen3122
    @joshuagiezen3122 4 года назад +55

    Hi Matt, it seems every time I look at my youtube page there's another upload from you. Thank you for keeping us entertained during quarantine

  • @Murais
    @Murais 4 года назад +121

    The Assembly Cut is so close to being a decent film, it's tragic. Has legs up until the third act before it turns into a completely incoherent mess.

    • @Amitlu
      @Amitlu 4 года назад +10

      They could only fix so much in the end.

    • @Amitlu
      @Amitlu 4 года назад +5

      I think he largely means the tunnel chase scenes where its hard to keep track of who dies and who lives.

    • @Murais
      @Murais 4 года назад +7

      @@Amitlu Yes. That sequence in particular.
      But also themes. In the assembly cut, they actually do a pretty good job of conveying themes of the value of a human life and the fucked up way that it is largely disregarded for prisoners. Then, in the third act, it is completely thrown out the window and never referenced again and the focus just becomes Ripley's tragedy.
      It's messy and conversely asks you not to think to much about the film's conclusion after spending more than half the film asking you to think about injustice. It's thematic whiplash.

    • @kronemerj
      @kronemerj 3 года назад +2

      If the assembly cut is Close to decent, imagine how good it could have been without the interference . Tragic.

  • @j.peters1222
    @j.peters1222 4 года назад +4

    This happens in more movies than most people realize. Unnecessary interference from big suits in the filming process can be absolutely disastrous.

  • @worsel555
    @worsel555 4 года назад +46

    I tell people that Alien 3 is one of my favorite movies and I get weird looks, but then I explain to them about the Assembly Cut and how Fincher got screwed over by the studio and killed what could have been a good movie.

    • @virgogaming6488
      @virgogaming6488 3 года назад +2

      Alien 3 Assembly Cut is one of my favorite films too.

    • @kronemerj
      @kronemerj 3 года назад +8

      I'm very glad that Fincher was able to bounce back. I felt so bad for him while being told about this whole mess. I knew that the theatrical cut was a mess but I had no idea the extent of it.

    • @eduardoherrera2368
      @eduardoherrera2368 2 года назад +2

      I would give you weird looks if you said Alien *Resurrection* was your favorite movie.

    • @El_Billy
      @El_Billy Год назад +1

      Yep, Assembly Cut is a great movie.

    • @SebastianJung422
      @SebastianJung422 7 месяцев назад

      This whole shitty movie is totally weird.
      Alien 3 is a disaster.

  • @the_jennittles
    @the_jennittles 4 года назад +10

    Song in that trailer is Skeletons in the Attic by Dance With The Dead for those wondering!

  • @BlazePiffington
    @BlazePiffington 4 года назад +23

    you know for a second there… I thought this was the aliens 3 Sega Genesis game.

  • @WalkBesideMe
    @WalkBesideMe 4 года назад +30

    Justice League-What Happened?
    I'm curious to see how Matt can tackle that debacle into a 20 minute video.

    • @MattMcMuscles
      @MattMcMuscles  4 года назад +52

      I don't even want to.

    • @WalkBesideMe
      @WalkBesideMe 4 года назад +6

      @@MattMcMuscles LMAO. I don’t blame you, especially since it's an ongoing issue.

    • @Aliexster
      @Aliexster 4 года назад +4

      I would just like to see something about the scrapped version of Justice League that was supposed to be directed by George Miller of Mad Max fame.
      I am disappointed we didn't get to see Immortan Martian or Valkyrie Wonder Woman.

    • @xenodude4718
      @xenodude4718 4 года назад

      Joss Whedon, that's wha Happun

  • @jasonblalock4429
    @jasonblalock4429 4 года назад +6

    It's worth noting that Fincher was already quite experienced when he made Alien3. He was actually a big deal at the time, even without directing a single feature film. The studio he co-founded, Propaganda Films, was *THE* production company for slick ads and other promo videos. He'd won tons of awards and helped define the "look" of 80s pop filmmaking. And an absolutely absurd amount of future talent got their start there over the years doing videos and ads - including Michael Bay, Gore Verbinski, Spike Jonze, and Zach Snyder.

  • @ultrabaltard1479
    @ultrabaltard1479 4 года назад +32

    *THIS HAS BEEN AN EPISODE I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR*

  • @wolfhawk1999
    @wolfhawk1999 4 года назад +15

    Funny that one of the best directors of our time (or ever) started his career with a flop. Kinda inspiring, really

  • @providencebreaker1558
    @providencebreaker1558 4 года назад +4

    It's sad that this kind of thing is still happening with movies being made today. Studios never learn.

  • @MemeMachine-po9zo
    @MemeMachine-po9zo 4 года назад +5

    The dog in the alien suit is one of the cutest things I've ever seen, if he jumped from the celling and ripped me apart limb from limb I would still try and pet him.

  • @thunderphoenix440
    @thunderphoenix440 4 года назад +8

    I remember eating this stuff up in the sci-fi movie rags in the '90s as a Teepling, about how it was supposed to be a Cold War thing but they got cold feet (hah) after the Berlin Wall fell. Reading about that goofy stuff in the Alien series was part of my formative parts of being a scifi nerd. Also 3 still has one of my favorite moments in the series when it did that scary version of the 20th Century Fox fanfare at the beginning.

  • @GamerSlyRatchet1
    @GamerSlyRatchet1 4 года назад +47

    Oooh, I've always wanted to learn about this movie's history. Never seen it, only seen the first two. Btw, is there any chance you'll ever cover Insomniac's Fuse? Thanks!

    • @bigkmoviesandgames
      @bigkmoviesandgames 4 года назад +1

      I'd recommend the assembly cut of alien 3 if you'd like to see it.

    • @battlion507
      @battlion507 4 года назад +3

      Fuse? I thought it was called Overstrike and.... ooooh...
      And Insomniac with EA... oooh nooo...

    • @BirdsElopeWithTheSun09
      @BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 4 года назад +1

      There's a 3hr long making of documentary, which is excellent.

  • @steamboathedgie
    @steamboathedgie 2 года назад +2

    The voice you did at 11:00 for the Michael Biehn interview is absolute gold 👑

  • @connorsmith1005
    @connorsmith1005 4 года назад +5

    Just seeing this video in my subs made my day Matt, thank you.

  • @Leesin6767
    @Leesin6767 3 года назад +5

    Paul McGann’s character was also brilliant. Alien 3 was not a typical Alien film and that’s what made it great, it was gritty, moody and dark and Bishop’s scene really hits that home.

  • @IDKeffect82
    @IDKeffect82 4 года назад +7

    Dude. Epic video my guy. I shared this with my movie buff film friend. And you're right, Micheal Biehn is a legend. Shame, I would like to see that Monk stuff, lol.

  • @Tareltonlives
    @Tareltonlives 4 года назад +4

    I love how the dog's reaction is the same as the audience: "Really? REALLY?"

  • @drivemecloser
    @drivemecloser 4 года назад +3

    Fun fact: There was a comic book sequel to Aliens called Alien: Earth War. Later publishing runs changed the identities of Newt, Hicks, and Ripley to try to fit with Alien 3's canon. In 2017 they said to hell with it and rereleased the saga with the original characters intact.

  • @QuarantineV1
    @QuarantineV1 4 года назад +9

    The Assembly Cut was actually pretty good. Wasn't super great, but it was at least much more competent.

  • @XoOVectorOoX
    @XoOVectorOoX 4 года назад +6

    The comics that focused on the the three that survived at the end of Aliens is a whole lot better than what fox did with Alien 3. The relationship with hicks and the little girl. I still refrain from watching this film and I don't think Ill ever watch it.

  • @universalperson
    @universalperson 4 года назад +3

    I once read someone who explained that Alien 3 should have had a change in genre, the way Alien to Aliens did. They proposed that Alien 3 should have been a heist movie...which could have still worked with the real Alien 3's prison setting.

  • @lexnoil
    @lexnoil 4 года назад +7

    Another amazing video that i just watched, and me and my friend already backed In Search of Tomorrow last week, and we pledge for the Admiral Kirk reward!

  • @erodrodri126
    @erodrodri126 4 года назад +3

    Heck yeah, I’ve been waiting for this one

  • @randomtask5420
    @randomtask5420 4 года назад

    Glad to see you doing another movie episode. Good stuff

  • @denisehuston2573
    @denisehuston2573 4 года назад

    You're killing me with these, Mr. McMuscles, keep up the stellar work!

  • @PedrozaJonathan
    @PedrozaJonathan 4 года назад +1

    It took me a minute to find the comment sections, but Matt, I just want to show you my verbal support (because the BRL to USD exchange is nuts right now so I can't Patreon you) and say that you're one of the only youtubers I still support and watch videos. Your quick looks are not really my thing but seeing you playing things you enjoy or have fun making the video of is really nice, but you really shine on your on the spot comments like in the Xbox reveal video as well as in these kind of videos like "what happened" and other similar ones. Keep it up! I hope you're doing well!

  • @Kenshiro3rd
    @Kenshiro3rd 4 года назад +7

    The BD Assembly Cut of Alien 3 was actually pretty decent.

  • @matthewsmith5687
    @matthewsmith5687 4 года назад

    Awesome work as always, keep it up!

  • @RandomShinigami7
    @RandomShinigami7 4 года назад +45

    I’m just gonna say this then bounce: I like Alien 3. It’s nowhere near as good as Alien or Aliens, sure, but as a closer to Ripley’s story it was fine. The Assembly Cut is the version to go for though.

    • @ForrestFox626
      @ForrestFox626 4 года назад +11

      Pity Fox decided to ruin that character in Resurrection.
      Which deserves it's own Wha Happened

    • @3_1_3rd_gaming
      @3_1_3rd_gaming 4 года назад +2

      I loved Alien 3. I hated Resurrection, that shit was too hollywood.

    • @xDinomanx
      @xDinomanx 4 года назад +3

      @@3_1_3rd_gaming I still liked a couple of the action sequences but yeah the movie sucks.

    • @blaidencortel
      @blaidencortel 4 года назад

      No, it was not good. You speak blasphemy. Or is it heresy? MAYBE BOTH

  • @darthmaul589
    @darthmaul589 4 года назад +10

    Watching both versions, I get why people prefer the Assembly Cut, but it has problems of its own, mostly pacing that makes it drag. I wish there was a cut somewhere in between those two versions, but really, Alien 3 in any state is just an OK movie and a bad sequel. I get why some people like it, but ultimately so many ideas and characters are half-baked or clumsily slammed in there, you would need to reshoot most of the movie to get a worthy sequel to Alien/Aliens.
    Well, at least we have Alien: Isolation.

  • @BaxterD
    @BaxterD 4 года назад +3

    Great episode, to anyone who enjoyed this I highly recommend Oliver Harper's retrospective on Alien 3 (and pretty much any of his retrospectives), while lacking in Matt's flair for comedy, Oliver gives great insight and context to a lot of the "what happened?"'s in films of the past and I find them highly enjoyable.

  • @adambourne5523
    @adambourne5523 4 года назад +6

    I liked it, it's nihilistic setting made it my favourite of the franchise; it could not live in isolation (no pun intended) but as a trilogy ender I thought it worked with lots of fun unanswered questions.

  • @Saibot_the_Noob
    @Saibot_the_Noob 4 года назад

    This the one project I have truly been waiting for

  • @RideTheLightning728
    @RideTheLightning728 4 года назад +4

    2:17
    Proceeds to do the exact same thing to his own Terminator franchise with Dark Fate.

  • @matrixman124
    @matrixman124 Год назад +1

    Matthew's Michael Biehn impression is golden.

  • @johnaraya3761
    @johnaraya3761 2 года назад +1

    I don’t understand why shows made so good as this doesn’t have millions of subs but crap shows do. Man I love this show thanks for everything champ

  • @ddogh26
    @ddogh26 2 года назад

    I love this show. The infotainment is great, and I've been randomly binge watching the show.

  • @julee2923
    @julee2923 4 года назад +1

    thanks for doing another film! lynch’s dune sometime? you’re really great with your research and production. i think you can add to the stories and make them more accessible than ever!

  • @Acuzzam
    @Acuzzam 4 года назад

    More What Happened about movies! This was great! Love your videos.

  • @Mogrim27
    @Mogrim27 4 года назад

    I love all the details and research that goes into this series and of course a dash of that McMuscles flair.

  • @neocat36
    @neocat36 2 года назад +3

    "I think it was a big mistake."... well said.

  • @Jaisyl77
    @Jaisyl77 4 года назад +2

    Love this series!!

  • @lizsean481
    @lizsean481 4 года назад +1

    How do you put these super in-depth videos together so quickly?! Your work ethic puts most other youtubers to shame! Though hope you're not slowly burning yourself out with your insane output speed.

  • @trevordavis6830
    @trevordavis6830 4 года назад +1

    I remember hearing that H.R. Giger actually went to the producers of Alien 3 and repeatedly asked to help work on it, even going so far as to make a new alien design for free sending it to them, only for the producers to repeatedly turn him down.

  • @acethurman71
    @acethurman71 4 года назад +3

    Omg that clip of the live action avatar movie brought back unpleasant memories

  • @thegreenishcrab
    @thegreenishcrab 4 года назад +2

    On a real note Alien 3 is a good gem of a sci-fi movie to come across if you were looking for sci-fi movies from a bit ago apart from the established big ones, I dig it

  • @EXPowerBlast
    @EXPowerBlast 4 года назад +13

    I've always been mixed on this movie. I will say though, the wooden satellite sounds like a unique and cool idea, too bad it got shafted in favour of Fiora. I do like that, in essence, they kept the religious monks, that's one aspect I like about Alien 3.

  • @PHONEyah
    @PHONEyah 4 года назад +1

    Huge love towards hearing "if you're like me (and I know I am)" for the first time in ages

  • @Demigod_3scrub
    @Demigod_3scrub 4 года назад

    This was really good.. 👍
    The 3rd Strike Reference was funny af !

  • @coolman229
    @coolman229 Год назад +1

    It never ceases to amaze me how a studio can see a great script that might need some tweaking and instead of saying "This is good let's just tighten it up" they throw it out wholesale and then end up going with a blatantly terrible script.

  • @sulacomarine
    @sulacomarine 4 года назад

    Proud to say that I just backed "In Search of Tomorrow"! Can't wait to see it when it releases!

  • @LumiRockets
    @LumiRockets 3 года назад +2

    If only we could get each of those abandoned scripts made today (with a few alterations so that Sigourney Weaver can move on with her life), we might actually get back to having interesting Alien films.

  • @The7thDraconian
    @The7thDraconian 4 года назад +2

    Making movies is already a chaotic process, but the huge amount of executive meddling clearly didnt' help this particular film. Great video by the way.

  • @bonorbitz
    @bonorbitz 4 года назад

    An excellent and fascinating video! Nice work. One thing though: at 5:58 that's production designer and art director Norman Reynolds, not Walter Hill.

  • @Marmbo
    @Marmbo 4 года назад +1

    I love the Aliens arcade music in the background!

  • @LBAW
    @LBAW 4 года назад +4

    I personally really enjoyed Alien 3 when I first watched it. It helps that I love Fincher’s movies, and I wasn’t really a fan of Aliens.

  • @christmashake8968
    @christmashake8968 4 года назад +2

    Wonderful job on this again, Matt! :) For those who’re interested in horror analyses, I’d recommend checking out John Kenneth Muir’s books on 1970s, 1980s, & 1990s American-released horror-the last of which includes perhaps by far the most wonderfully-written defense of this film I’ve ever seen anyone give, one that might be the main reason I’ve started to like it as much as “Alien” and “Aliens.”

  • @nightwishfan1991
    @nightwishfan1991 4 года назад

    This movie is a personal rabbit hole of mine. I have dug up so much info on this nightmare of a production that I've kind of become obsessed with it. To me the production is far more fascinating than the movie itself.

  • @kratal122
    @kratal122 3 года назад +1

    I just rewatched Alien 3 and it was much better than I had remembered. I’m currently 10 minutes into Resurrection and am curious as to when that movie will get featured.

  • @DolanOk
    @DolanOk 4 года назад

    Love the video Mr.big muscles

  • @Justgetmein
    @Justgetmein 2 года назад +2

    Daaawwww, the little dog looks so cute in his alien outfit. I would just die!

  • @Gingerbreadley
    @Gingerbreadley 4 года назад +15

    This made me wonder if you will ever do Jurassic world.

    • @xavier8951
      @xavier8951 4 года назад

      Why is that?

    • @FloridatedH2O
      @FloridatedH2O 4 года назад +4

      In the face of generally positive reviews and making over a billion dollars, I don't think some disappointed fans warrants a Wha Happun episode.

  • @riceinpeace8190
    @riceinpeace8190 4 года назад

    Your impressions are fire bro

  • @gorvarhadgarson5227
    @gorvarhadgarson5227 4 года назад

    Hey Matt, your Hicks and Tywin voices are on point!

  • @steveluna1627
    @steveluna1627 4 года назад +1

    For a moment I thought that I was getting a bugged ad but then realized it was part of the video

  • @mryonmusic253
    @mryonmusic253 4 года назад

    Thanks for the insight. I do not completely hate Alien 3, but I have alway wondered Wha Happun to it. Why it came out the way it did. Great video.

  • @clintmcbride7830
    @clintmcbride7830 4 года назад

    There is a difference in taking a sponsorship for the money and taking a sponsorship because you support the sponsor. And I 100% whole-heartedly believe you support In Search of Tomorrow. It is going to be a love letter to one of the best genres of film and during the best time period for that genre. If it's as good as In Search of Darkness it will be a must watch for any and all sci-fi fans out there.

  • @JadeFoxAlpha
    @JadeFoxAlpha 3 года назад +2

    This movie is the single most fascinating failure. It's so full of good ideas, that absolutely all want nothing to do with each other.

  • @MADKapo
    @MADKapo 3 года назад +2

    Fox: we want a sequel now!
    Also Fox: *rejects scripts for 4 damn years*

    • @rolando90s
      @rolando90s 2 года назад

      @tsorf fuck Hollywood they ruined favorite movies and shows.
      Even horrible live anime movie