Let Goku Die
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- Опубликовано: 17 мар 2023
- "Neverending Stories" are a fantasy that may soon be reality. But after decades on the shounen anime treadmill, that dream sounds more like a nightmare to me, even if they fix all the bugs.
Here's why it's good for us to Let Goku (and Homer, Jerry, Boruto's dad, etc.) Die.
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The idea that Goku would, on an infinite time scale and with AI generation, be endlessly resurrected just to sacrifice himself again and again is deeply horrifying and fascinating in equal measure.
It sounds like something out of "I have no mouth and I must scream"
I have no plot, and I must resurrect
I imagine an endless line of gods and dragon balls, each one somehow More Powerful than the last.
...Honestly, if a Dragon Ball writer took that thought, made it a "villain" (literally or otherwise), and dedicated that whole Arc to addressing that reality...they could go to some interesting places.
But it would also probably be too little too late, so someone should either take this concept and make their own thing with it, or link me to a story that does this, cuz I wanna read/watch that.
simply the idea of immortality in itself is existentially horrifying
Rest in Peace, Akira Toriyama.
Huuuuurts. What a bad day.
This is why I have so much respect for a show like JoJo’s which has no problem moving the show to a brand new main cast/character basically every season
Agreed, thou that causes the I hated part ___ stuff, risking people not liking an entire 4 years of writing is a bit much just so they may like another swift change in plotting. Also say what you will about dbz...but jiren vs goku and freiza was fire, the world was hyped for that...ill take that over forcing the studios to gamble on new properties and try get my attention over 12 eps that may or may not hit and gets thousands of hate and MID comments causing them to fear closer, and keep my safe net of dbz nostalgia if they have peaks in fights that feel like were watching a boxing match. They can't put that type of excitement into any show. If it was randos with like 34 eps under their name I wouldn't get the same excitement. New shows are an investment and sometimes I'm able to get both...no need to get rid of everything cause critics like MB and others hate rewatching or seeing sequels if they're not gripping tales of fantasy with modern twists and turns.
@@nichescenes it would be fire if the characters were decent. but nah goku became dumber and frieza is not evil no more. like wtf.
And even when he felt that his series finally had reached a peak in which he couldn't do anything as mind bending as part 6, he deliberately made part 6 the conclusion to the old continuity in favor of making a new story set in it's own continuity
@@tino9117 and thus was born, the best Part of JoJo's to exist, Steel Ball Run, which I think is set in our modern Timeline since JoJolands mentions everything that we have in our modern society including Covid.
Araki’s ability to make new characters with complex designs every part truly speaks volumes of his skill
I think the show not having a true end is what made me realize how important the Animes like Code Geass, FMA, Bepop and the many others that actually end.
I would have loved to see the torch passed to Gohan.
Code geass be arguable tho considering that new season but ur point i agree with
We all would have.
It's WHY I switched to manga, rather than even bothering to attempt getting every fuckin marvel comic to get the whole story that never ends, referencing shit that happened in 1970.
Essentially, Dragon Ball Super is artistically bankrupt, cynical, cash-grab bullshit.
Gt had good ideas, but Dragon Ball _ended with Buu._
Edit: yeah... posted this before even watching, and this video says EVERYTHING I've been saying about Dragon Ball for the last 15 years.
Remember all that horrible central/south American "fanart" of shit like SSJ8 Goku, which was just an existing picture of SSJ3 somebody recolored to give him beige hair with a white skunk stripe down the middle?
It's sad when people can't let something go to that degree. And I for one was fine with Dragon Ball being thin as far as depth, actually preferring the early days before everything was screaming and powerups... characters had reasons to be there with varied abilities that helped out in all sorts of different situations, rather than it just being wannabe Aryans doing absolutely everything meaningful in a story that's just "punch mans so earth doesn't blow up."
Whatever. Fuck it.
Even incomplete, Berserk is still a far better story by orders of magnitude, and it taking its creator's life to tell an intensely personal and realized tale has infinitely bittersweet beauty.
@@CompSomAnichi which new season are you talking about
I haven't heard any news about it
And the only reason people wanted code geass was cuz they didn't make an episode to wrap things up like in assasination classroom but movie does that perfectly
Not to mention that this 3rd season is never gonna surpass the original
So not only would a season 3 be redundant, it would also be bad,poorly received and just ruin the reputation of the original
@@Kambyday thw season where Lelouch lived which was the very latest one i think
Two decades ago, a little anime called Cowboy Bebop showed me how much of a lasting impact a story can have with just 26 episodes lasting about 23 minutes.
Bruh that’s nearly 10 hours (I know in comparison to some anime that’s nothing). cowboy bebop is great and all but there are a ton of movies with a fraction of that runtime with equally good stories hell even FLCL is nearly 1/4th the runtime
@@barl6412 I was gonna bring up FLCL too it's the perfect example of an incredibly short story making an impression that has lasted for years and the sequel seasons are a perfect example of shows that did the exact opposite and made me want to forget them almost immediately.
This sounds like a comment my dad would write
@@barl6412 ... and some other anime or movie did it in about half the time as FLCL. Instead of agreeing and adding another example in order to continue the conversation, you came off as disagreeing and trying to convince everyone that you had an even better example! Both are great examples but, quite honestly, Bebop is significantly more iconic and popular than FLCL. But, again, that's not the point. So if you really want to go there, then FLCL continued into a second/third season and currently stands at almost the same exact length as Bebop. Difference being FLCL came back exactly like this video calls DBZ out for doing.
Now anyway, both original series are great examples. There's a set story and vibe that the shows set out for that are accomplished by the end. For me personally, my first experience with such a short yet complete series was Cowboy Bebop (which came out over 2 years before FLCL). And I'm glad that there was a director successfully able to end a show in two seasons, perhaps inspiring other directors to do the same. If anything, it showed a large audience that doing something similar was successfully possible.
Personally, I was so stoked on the show, and intentionally sought out other shows with definitive endings. I was able to come to terms with a show that I liked ending, and eventually appreciate it moreso for that fact. What I really loved was talking to those around me about the show, and especially since it had already ended, we could talk about it as a whole. Even long shows that drag on then end just... weren't the same. But with a shorter series you could look back at every specific episode in a new light, and reevaluate it with the ending you know is coming up. Most series end too early due to getting cancelled, or drag on way too long. It's those gems that knew what they were doing from the get-go that seem to leave the largest impressions. Sometimes a single episode is enough, sometimes two seasons. And I don't mean to hate on longer series, I enjoy my fair share of those too. But to me, two or less seasons are a perfect length to get into a flow, but not take too long as to drag the show on.
@@TiredHighProductions Good points all around! Worth the long comment. (Oh, and thanks for the formatting: these breathable paragraphs are very much appreciated)
"You have to let Goku go, the accident wasn't your fault, you have to move on"
If anything is Shueisha executives fault lmao
Not that i'm aint watching it
Dragon Ball needs to end before it continues to ruin itself even more than it already has.
@Cool Gamer What the fuck are you talking about? Budakai 4 just got announced. The resurgence of db games has a direct link to all the anime that's come. How the hell are you snotty anime marks acting like it's best if Dragon Ball ends? To this day they continue to set trends.
Yeah lemme do that but still talk about it 😆😆😆 hypocritical.
@@Coolgamer.. Just like all the shows from at the late 20th century, such "SpongeBob SquarePants" and "The Simpsons". At least Pokémon is ending, though.
I'm gonna be honest. That bittersweet tearswelling feeling at the end of a good series is the best feeling ever.
Really? I hate it.
@@josephmatthews7698 I used to, but after dealing with a lot of personal shit ive kind of come to love feeling most emotions in any big way, positive or negative ones. Its helped let them go very easily, and made me love those bittersweet endings so much.
@@josephmatthews7698
Don’t fear this kinda pain, bro. It means you cared about something so much it hurts that it’s gone. That weirdly means it was worth loving.
@@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access"how lucky i am to have something that makes saying goodbye so hard."
@@josephmatthews7698A well concluded story is infinitely better than one that keeps waffling until it falls apart and loses any quality that you ever cherished, or gets cancelled without a proper conclusion.
Honestly it would've been so much fun to watch Gohan go to college and kinda act like a father figure to his younger brother. It woulda been super fun and maybe a welcomed change from the endless fighting and training. Developing characters and showing them grow. It would've been so cool to see.
I think the lower stakes Saiyaman school show could have been amazing. I really dug the vibe of going to school, dating, while secretly being a superhero.
100% agree on this, a spinoff like this wouldve been awesome.
It would have been great if various other characters became the main protagonist of certain arcs to help expand upon, develop, power up, and make use of them (which would then make team-ups with other protagonists hype asf). Sadly, however, Dragonball likely will never do anything resembling this.
Shit, maybe even have a Goku cameo in the afterlife or a small appearance but making clear the protagonist is Gohan. Had Toriyama done that maybe by now we would be on a 3rd/4th generation of DB, with Goten and Trunks or even their descendance (or Pan and Bra) and new storytelling. But not, still the Goku Show
The series is about Goku, and about martial arts. Those have been the focus since the first and second arc respectively. Why Toriyama would write things that don’t fit in his style of gag and action is beyond me.
This is part of why so many people love Gravity Falls - it ends. It ends when the creator wanted it to end and he didn't let them keep it going.
“Things change, summer ends”
And hey, if you really want it to keep going, just read fanfic, that’s how I’m dealing with the TOH hiatus.
I think that therr could be one or two cours more to flesh out some charaters, but othereise yeah.
I recently watched Gravity Falls after a friends' recommendation. The ending was PERFECT and I'm glad Disney didn't turn it into a never ending show.
@@Jaydee-wd7wr I don’t like fan fics 😔 I just let the series run through my head or theory craft and that’s where I leave off
@@Pravaification Oh I'm sure Disney would love to milk Gravity Falls. But since Alex Hirsch the creator of the show does not want to do another season there would probably be a bif uproar if they did it anyways (also he had to do much for GF not being "censored" on MANY parts which would probably happen then). I don't know if they even could copyright-wise continue it without Hirschs consent.
This is why I'll fight all day for things like FMA and Mob Psycho 100. Not only is making an ending difficult, endings themselves are a luxury. I think anime that really have an ending that ties everything properly are rare and should be treasured. Are literally treasures. And they never left me. I still watch FMA and Mob Psycho (thanks in no small part to having a dizqueTV channel, but that's another topic). The stories don't leave you when they end. The end is what makes them a story. An actual narrative. What's an essay without a conclusion? You can't "remember your childhood" before your childhood ends. The structure is what turns a sequence of nice, sometimes powerful, moments into a story.
fmab is top 2 shonen behind hxh mob psycho is atleast top 25
Also why I won't stand for a work to be called a masterpiece or a great story if it flunked its conclusion or refused to have one. Those are terms that should be reserved.
@@vexorian depends how amazing it was before and depends if the ending is bearable not liking something dosen't mean its bad aot's ending is objectively fine and i can see what the author tried to do but alot of people thought it was trash it dont take away the fact aot still has some of the most impactful anime episodes ever
I like trigger/gainax animes because of that too. They're short, fun and intense and they end bombastically. The original evangelion, gurren lagann, flcl, kill la kill, darling in the franxx, cyberpunk edgerunners
Even ignoring anime, Regular Show and Ed Edd n Eddy both have a genuine conclusion to them. No post finale specials, no spinoffs, just places in their stories they felt was a nice point to finish up on. Regular Show's final season wasn't brought about by a cancelation, or rushed it's finale. The creators just felt they simply had told all the stories they wanted to with the characters, and gives the show a great send-off. I think that's part of what made Regular Show such a special show, pardon the pun.
Coming back to this video after the passing of Akira Toriyama himself adds a whole new layer of perspective on the loss. He was a great man and a masterful artist, and his story deserves a conclusive end. I'm just grateful we got to see it. Rest in peace, Sir.
Real Rip to the GOAT
I feel like, in a lot of ways, I'm the total opposite of this "never let anything end" character. I almost exclusively watch shows that have already finished (and gotten a proper finale). I actively seek out media that ends, because one of my favorite parts of the experience is after it ends. Everything that was meant to come together has done so, everything left lingering is supposed to be, the easy part -- letting the content enter your brain -- is over, and now all that's left is you and your thoughts and reflections. There's a melancholic emptiness to losing your window into the lives of those characters and the world they lived in, and having to just feel whatever feelings they left you with.
That said, I have room in my life for one piece of perpetual dumb fun, and that's Dragon Ball. I love every bit of the series, every movie, every show (except I haven't watched Heroes), most games, etc. It's just a piece of my life that is special to me, and I will continue to consume it for as long as I exist. I don't care if it never ends, and I'm also fine if it does. I mean, it *did* end for like a real hot minute there, and I was content with re-experiencing what existed. Now, more stuff exists and that's just a bonus. I stay excited for whatever comes next, and I won't have any guilt or shame for it. It doesn't consume my life, it just is, and I like it.
i agree it's real nice to just get something that finished, though on the other had it's also very fun reading/watching something ongoing and theorizing/discussing what you think will happen next and what you feel about the story so far.
It can be, but my problem is the stuff that stops before it ends. Nothing is as frustrating as a perpetually unfinished story that will never resolve.@@Isabelle-mp8rk
This reminds me of how the creator of gravity Falls Alex Hirsch consciously made the choice for gravity Falls to only be 2 seasons because the underlying motif of the whole show was "summer has to end" wherein you can't just stay in one place or watch only one thing that brings you joy because eventually it won't anymore and you'll end up being miserable.
Not to mention he was also apparently sick of running a tv show himself and decided to cut it off after 1 season, being convinced to do a second solely to conclude the story. He knew his limits, wanted out, and closed the story on his own terms in the end even though Disney wanted an endless cash cow because he understood how important it was for it to _end._
Not every mystery in the show was answered, but the ones that mattered _did_ and the fact that they got the focus makes gravity falls ending so much more special.
@@dooplon5083 This is why Phineas and Ferb is better.
I came to the comments to say just that. And because we've been trained to want shows to never end, people complained that Disney cancelled their beloved show after only two seasons despite Alex Hirsch making it very clear it was his creative choice. I, for one, am glad the show ended before it lost all its meaning.
@@bakedbeans5494 I'm not sure how what they said relates to Phineas and Ferb, but they are two very different shows, so I'm not sure it's useful to really compare them. Of course you can prefer whichever you want.
@@zoeb3573 They are both set during summer.
This is one of the reasons Gurren Lagann is my favorite anime; it tells its story, with very little filler or re-treading, and then it ends. Forever. You get a very short post-credits "Where Are They Now" epilogue, and then it's over. It isn't run into the ground, and its subtle (and not so subtle) brilliance isn't tarnished by sequels or unnecessary follow-ups.
I mean there were the movies, even if they did just recap the storyline with a couple added scenes.
That’s a big trend of mecha shows. Most of them will end in like a year or two.
@@thomasffrench3639 I think each one of the shows in Toei’s loosely manga based Mazinger trilogy ended after about two years as well.
A shame the ending is dogshit.
I had a moment like this when I was about to finish Xenoblade 3. As I stood at the entrance to the final boss, I thought about going back and completing all the small little completion objectives that I had left to do (which weren't very much). But while I was pondering what to do, I realized what I was doing. I realized that the villains in the games plot were just a bunch of people too scared to move on, and that I was doing the exact same thing. I then immediately walked through the boss door, and finished the game. It was great.
I very often find myself in games debating forever over small decisions (should I do this quest first or this other? Should I restart a mission to do it PERFECTLY? Or even, which love interest should I settle for, I can't keep going with the story before I've decided, it'll affect the cut scenes!!) and the solution I've grown to use is to ask myself, will I remember two months from now agonizing over this choice? Over this quest? Over how well or badly I did it? No? Then it probably doesn't matter enough to agonize over it in the first place. Move forward, play and have fun.
I felt the exact same way. I wanted it to last so much longer and kept thinking "maybe I should do this side quest and that side quest" but eventually I realized that it was unfair to these characters and the game's messages to let the buildup to this final fight stagnate. Once I got through the credits and took in the gravity of what I had just done for these characters and world, I realized I found my new favorite RPG.
Xenoblade 3 really is just a work of art. All the Xenoblade games are incredibly special and unique, but XC3 feels like it has the most ideas to add to the table, questions to ponder, and themes to convey. It's one of the most ambitious and thoughtful game experiences I've ever had. I could follow those characters and explore the world forever, but then I'd be missing out on my own life.
Based. Simply based
I had that same moment with Tears of the Kindgom. I kept going for more and more of the side stuff... and then I realized... I really wanted to see how the story ended. I thought "I can always come back and get the extra stuff I am missing, but I really want to see the ending"
I can practically hear Geoff's hatred of Rent-a-Girlfriend in his closing arguments
What I expected: A video that questions why Goku is still the main character of a 40 year old franchise
What I got: "Learn to let your favorite things end, because everything ends eventually, and doing so will make you a better person, and the media you consume more narratively fulfilling"
"Everything comes to an end. That's why we gotta live life to the fullest in the time we have. At least...that's what I figure!"
That's what I've gotten from it learn too accept endings
My issue with DBZ as it went on is that after a certain point it's really hard to illustrate that characters are getting more powerful.
It's fundamentally a Power System limitation.
When people are so fast they they appear to teleport, and blasts destroy everything in view, you're left to have characters inform the audience via dialogue that characters have done something more impressive than previously thought possible.
Plague of Gripes hit on this in his essay on power levels, insisting that “the feats are the same,” and that the only way you can tell someone is stronger than they were is someone else pointing it out.
Goku is so unfathomablely strong that they don't even try to quantify his strength anymore, and feats brought up in the show are purely just to affirm to the audience that he's still as strong as ever, and even then the feats that are shown are so ridiculous easy for goku to do its not even a true showcase of his power anymore. Goku gets millions of times stronger with each arc, so the concept of strength doesn't even truely matter anymore. The only point for fights in dragon ball is to develop new characters that have value for the story, give goku and vegeta a reason to keep fighting, and for fanservice because the main thing people watch dragon ball for is the fights, even though the best part by far is the characters, which were only really good during the original db-dbz run and up until battle of God's. After battle of God's, the point of the story was no longer to keep adding onto the development of characters, the show was basically just commercialized inorder to feed off of the hype created by the battle of God's movie, which ended up being more successful then anyone could have predicted. Now all dragon ball is, is a never ending loop of conflicts where new mediocre villains are introduced, then in the background, old villains regain strength and come back to fight the main cast, just to be defeated, and then a completely new villains shows up once again and the cycle repeats, that's the formula for dragon ball and it will probably stay that way until toriyama finally gets to old to be involved with the story, and give the "canon" stamp onto any db project that shuesha wants to churn out
That’s the same exact problem that boruto is going thru right now boruto is leagues ahead of anyone from shippuden but you can barely tell
That's why power scaling peaked in Frieza saga and they even stopped talking about power levels. How ridiculous was it that in DBS, they talk about Hit freezing time by 10 sec or something when Roshi and Krillin from 22nd Budokai demonstrated moving just as fast!
@@basherblast RIP Toriyama!
Thank you for mentioning the original novel of The Never-Ending Story. I hope anyone reading this comment finds a copy; it is one of the truly great pieces of art I've experienced in my life.
Tbh, this video made me add it to my reading list. It sounds really great
The late Michael Ende clearly earns Anglophone recognition, not only because of how popular The First Neverending Story film still is today, but also because a few of his other works are quite successful on the international stage as well.
Audiobook's here on YT
Definitely interested in checking it out now.
@@SlapstickGenius23 Why? Michael Ende doesn't "deserve" any recognition; it is earned. Let alone Anglo recognition. The fact that MB shilled for him and interpreted a watered down version of Neverending Story as literal heroin only proves the point that elitist busybodies deserve to wallow in obscurity.
I remember an interview with Dan Green, the English voice actor for Yugi in Yugioh, saying how he respected Kazuki Takahashi for writing a story that had a definitive ending, though he’d miss the steady paychecks. Crazy in retrospect how Konami just won’t let the series die.
That was what really pushed me from anime being neat to anime being a major part of my life. When I was in 9th grade, I watched Beck and I cried when it ended. That sadness is beautiful in it's own way though.
Eh I'd say Yu-Gi-Oh does it better than most. Like at least the protagonist and story changes every few years. Compare that to Pokemon and id say Yu-Gi-Oh got off easy lol
I mean, yugioh, the show, ends a lot of times, changing setting and casts pretty often
@@foildemon7892 yeah you’re right about that. I just hate how Yugioh so quickly shifted from an anime that informed a card game, to a card game that informs an anime.
But ygo always ends. And it kinda "died" since sevens. What is this comment even about? Bruh, stop shitting on ygo for something that it does good.
In one of the early short arcs of The Sandman, Neil Gaiman had a character who worked in a diner, but wrote a lot of stories in her own time. And it explains that everyone liked her stories, because she knew when to end them. Because she knew the secret about stories -- if you keep a story going too long, it has to end in death.
I thought that was a pithy insight from Gaiman the writer. And while it probably was more foreshadowing, I still believe it's quite insightful.
Is it bad that in my own idea for a story before i even started writing it, my end point for the main character was for them to die, because i know how much people dont like when the main character dies at the end but it was supposed to be because of something i wanted to convey similar to You and Me and Her where one character is actually multiple other characters from other stories and my main character would be similar to where even outside of my story they continue to be other characters in other stories
That becomes painfully ironic when you consider that Gaiman has revived Sandman past it's endpoint TWICE now and that the whole story is taking place in DC comic. Ya know comics, where the concept of 'ending a story' goes to die.
It's definitely one of the things that separates okay authors from great ones. One of my favourite manga is winding down to its ending, and while I'll be sad to see it go, I'm also glad that it will be a complete story and that the author is good enough to end it in a satisfying way.
It's easy to overlook when you're creating products designed to keep going til the money stops coming, like most shounen manga are, but the ending of a story is one of its most important, impactful parts. That closure is needed to truly complete it.
Why must it end? Why should stories be short? Naruto forever, Zelda forever, keep the dream alive forever.
To me it's not so much about knowing where to end a story, as about knowing that the only true end is death, and therefore, anything else is just the point where you stop watching the story.
This brings to mind why I like one of my favorite stories ever: Gravity Falls.
The fact it does end despite what Disney wanted and all is what make it so good. There is a story there that wants to be told, and knows that, once it's climax happens, it's time to wrap things up, carry the luggage and take the ride home.
Like an honest to life trip, it's coming back home with something new that makes the trip worthwhile.
"You have 2 more wishes"
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"Toei animation didn't believe in the concept of enough money" Never has truer words been spoken.
Edit: Wow! This is the first time one of my comments has ever reached the 1k mark! Thanks everybody!
Lol right. And I thought us Americans were greedy
@@MikeBNumba6 every company in the world ever thinks like that
Chick-fil-A maybe one of the few exceptions closing on Sundays is simply a loss economically I don't see how that can be a positive return and they can easily push a narrative like no now we are open on Sundays to incentivize going to church here a promo 50% discount for everyone who just attended church on Sundays before coming to eat with us
To straight up be close on Sundays is a de facto we have enough money we don't need Sundays business
@@tpsam Maybe it returns if it gives them attention. I mean, look what you just did, you essentially told hundreds of strangers scrolling through this comment section that "Hey! Chick-Fil-A is a good, moral business!" Free advertising, essentially.
It is amusing, but one man can have enough, a corporation who's designed goal is to generate money, really can't. It still feels like beating a dead horse is goche and on brand for corporations.
@@tpsam It's owned by one family, not a thousand unrelated shareholders. So it's not only motivated by money (although that is a big factor), but also by the owners' ideology.
The scariest part about one piece ending is how much that box set is going to cost
It will need wheels
they'll probably split that into multiple boxes...
@@ghoulchan7525 dont ruin our fun
@@Syncrotron9001 It's delivered in a full 20 foot shipping container
those 0s and 1s surely are heavy
this hits a lot harder now
the timing of this getting reccomended to me now is so unfortunate
I wanted dbz to be about his sons and trunks. That’s how it should of gone. To the next generation. Like after goku killed the androids, and cell saga.
*Looks over at Boruto*... Are you sure?
@@MrOctopusprime im talking early 2000s before boruto was even a concept.
@@MrOctopusprime Well that is true, but there is another example, JoJo, every part is a decendant or grandson of the previous protagonist, better or worse the respective Part they belong to or how much they are a great or bad protagonist, the fact Stands (joke intended) that JoJo handles the new protagonist formula quite good.
@@MrOctopusprime In the case of Boruto, I think it would be a lot more palatable if Naruto had actually gotten a real ending. But 60% of Naruto's themes were abandoned as it went on, and the themes that it *didn't* abandon were interrupted by some sequel bait aliens and overwritten by some sequel bait marriages. If Naruto had a real ending, and wrapped up its actual plot threads, then maybe Boruto wouldn't feel like such an affront to the series as a whole.
@@MrOctopusprime the Gohan arc was the best in DBZ, so yes.
Before: “Oh wow a new mothers basement video!”
After: “Oh wow my existential crisis is back!”
I worry for the upcoming ATLA series, because ATLA in and of itself is already a near-perfect series that doesn't need anything else going for it.
Yeah, like a lot of the problems with the ATLA comics is due to the fact that there wasn't really a story to be told outside them finding Ursa, especially since we already know the broad strokes of the Gaang's lives. For example, why should we believe that Azula is as much of a threat as she was in the TV show, even if she has powered up a lot, if we know thanks to LoK that she can't really kill an important Gaang member, or succeed in any of her plots?
“I’m the avatar! You gotta deal with it!”
ATLA will still be there no matter how much garbage they put out in the same setting. And the novels were actually pretty good, so I'm all for letting them milk the setting.
@@NoName-tu6qiNo, there are good ideas in what they explore. The comics ask questions about how justice can relate to national borders after a long period of occupation, cultural exchange and the countless, complex human stories that occur every day.
We're going to have to grapple with those questions soon, after or maybe even before the end of the war in Ukraine. Ukraine's recent history is filled with arbitrary border changes and campaigns of demographic change and ethnic extermination imposed from above, all of which complicate the question of where it's most just for its border to be.
ATLA has been closed, though there could always be past and future avatar spin-offs, like LOK
Thank you for this video, Everything you mentioned in this video was spot on.
I have had this exact talk soooo many different times of my life with different people. There is Nothing wrong with letting a series you love conclude & have an ending. Its Okay that Childhoods end. I remember being 12 years old when DragonBall/Z/GT ended its full run on Toonami before turning into reruns & being satisfied cause in total it had 500+ episodes, 10+ movies, Specials, & Tons of great stuff that could be revisited at any time. Don't get me wrong there are aspects of DBS I really appreciate and the last 2 movies I loved, But because I've seen so many series I love gradually deteriorate & develop an Ouroboros effect or repeating a cycle and becoming repetitive for merch sales, I really respect when a series can say. I had my run, I did great, now its time to rest & be remembered fondly. There is nothing wrong with ending gracefully.
Agreed other shows have much better conclusions
The thing that bothers me about letting Dragon Ball continue is that Goku doesn't really have anything left that he needs to accomplish. He met his Grandpa Gohan again like he wanted, made friends for life by searching for the Dragon Balls, got married and had kids, learned where he came from, went to space multiple times, fought all manner of strong opponents, and even took on a protege. But his story keeps dragging on to the point of retreading old ground because Dragon Ball sells, so now his only concern is getting a bigger number.
@@TheAzulmagia i agree letting Dragon Ball continue is pointless and Goku already has done a lot of his Goals
This video hit quite hard for me. I’m the type who hates finishing a series because of how it will be forever shelved, wanting to have that magical feeling. I do it for movies, games and anime. But this video was such an eye opener. I will do my best to finish what I start and move on to other things instead of letting them hang over me. Thank you for your words of wisdom.
I mean all your doing is just ending the show for yourself. If you don’t want to finish something, you will never again get new content until you finally start watching it again.
@@thomasffrench3639 It's the thought of there still being content out there for you to watch though, compared to if you finish it and there's no more
Yeah, this is truly an amazing reflection
And right away, why would you keep watching this video? The lesson teaches itself in an intuitive way
I will never understand this behavior. Basically no show having any closure was one of the biggest reasons I stopped watching anime. Having no closure and avoiding new experiences with art sounds like hell.
I agree with all of these, but I'd also add relationships (not only as romantic, but I also meant friendships and family), projects, work, and so on. Even if you are with someone, being a partner or a friend, during your whole life (which is extremely rare), the person you are with is extremely different than the person you started to be with. But that will end too, one way or another.
This is why I think Princess Tutu is one of the greatest anime of all time - it has perhaps the greatest ending in anime of all time, built up to in two perfect, short acts where the second act retroactively justifies the seemingly slow progression of the first. It's ALSO about a story that never ends and people being brave enough to take control of their lives by ending a predatory story, so a definite 100% recommendation.
God princess tutu is so good. But everytime I recommend it no one takes it seriously because of its name :/
honestly bc of tht fact I cannot rewatch princess tutu even though its my favourite thing ever
Princess Tutu is awesome
I never heard about that series in my life
Princess Tutu is my silver-medal when it comes to anime (and I love mentioning it with my others because it sticks out; Baccano, Trigun, Princess Tutu and Cowboy Bebop (one of these is not like the others)).
I get that people think the title sounds like it's a show for girls in kindergarden, but man, the show is a brilliant decon-and-reconstruction of classic fairy tale and Magicial Girl tropes.
And me who is very much into classic mythology, legends, folk- and fairy tales, the way PT takes the tropes and plays with them is on the same level as some of Neil Gaimans best work.
Okay but endlessly escalating from one godlier-god-level threat to another is extremely faithful to _Journey to the West_
Absolutely. I love the Red Press translation of the novel. Because it's the 3.5K pages and all the Mandarin names are kept.
I definitely feel that "the fact that it's ending means you're less motivated to go through it" bit. I go out of my way to seek out manga which have already reached a satisfying conclusion, and yet the amount of manga I'm currently reading that are still going through the monthly motions is *far* greater.
As an artist but even more as a human being, I have an infinite respect for those who have the integrity to let a good thing end, to leave the audience satisfied but still thinking about your story for years to come. Simultaneously though, I also crave that weekly flavor. As much as I laude the value of creativity being given proper room and pace, I am not immune to monkey brain.
More than anything though, what terrifies me the most is the prospect of a beloved story going unfinished. We can see this with Berserk, it's clear Miura had a conclusion in sight but the world just didn't let that come to pass. The longer a single story goes, the more chances are for it to simply stop. When that happens, far from being left with the memories of a tale told to its end, we can only wish forever that we could have seen what that ending was.
As far as I'm concerned, DBZ ended at the Cell Saga. But I truly hope I will be able to see that final chapter of One Piece.
As a one piece fan i actually yearn for the day when the anime(or manga) reveals those magic words "THE END"
saaame, but I'll also be sobbing my eyes out
@@starrikirus 18:08 😅 18:09
Lets be honest, you guys just finally want to be released from the prison you unknowingly walked into decades ago.
It isn't going to though. Toei and Shuiensha make too much $$$ on the IP they would just make a "One Piece GT". and I can 1000% bet you and every other OP fan would eat that "One Piece GT" up.
The celebrations are gonna be MASSIVE. We are gonna give One Piece the magnificent send off it deserves. I can't wait to see everyone reacting around the world.
This video helped me feel better about Ash leaving the Pokémon anime. I'm glad he gets to go out with a bang and some time to reminisce rather than have him run out of things to do. It's always bittersweet when something ends, but the good news is that it makes room for something new to begin.
I agree, but it also makes me want more of Ash, but in a different setting, time and space. Older Ash is so much more compelling than any new character they bring up.
@@nemohic7944 Does Ash have kids?
@@jimluebke3869 on the epilogues of Older Ash he does have children yes
@@nemohic7944 is he? he doesn't exist yet. No reason to believe he'd be worth building a story around.
Just have the next trainer the show follows check in with a "Prof. Ketcham" every now and again and call it a day.
@@alfa563 Good for him. =)
If they want fresh stories, that's somewhere they can go.
Honestly, at this point, the thing that scares ME most about starting One Piece is the idea that I would catch up and have to start waiting for updates like everyone else. Feels like if I am going to dive in at this point, I would rather wait until it actually is complete so I can run through all of it at my own pace.
True but you miss out on the fun of theorizing what’s next with people, the hype surrounding a chapter release, Tekking101 videos
A few years ago, I made a rule for myself to only watch series that have completed so I wouldn't have this problem. I'm still waiting on Attack on Titan, Bleach, Hunter x Hunter, One Punch Man, Mob Psycho 100 and outside of anime, The Boys to show me their conclusions, and only the first two can definitely tell me when.
You can safely give up on Hunter x Hunter. It’s unlikely the manga ever finishes, and the anime ends at a very good stopping point
@@wait_in_gold_ON_SPOTIFY It says that the writer of Hunter X Hunter, for years has been suffering from chronic back issues, leading to several hiatuses spanning multiple years. Due to these issues, he is only able to draw sporadically and only while laying down.
So you are gonna watch one piece after the whole world knows what ONEPIECE IS?Man that would be huge spoiler ... congratulation on dodging that spoiler😂
Just a note regarding the DBZ Abridged series: if memory serves, they didn't just think that the Cell Saga was a good stopping point, but they were also incredibly drained from all the struggling against Toei just to get a single episode uploaded without being taken down due to copyright issues.
They're still putting out DBZA content that uses none of the existing story material and is all custom animated, but none of it is intended to be a means of continuing the story from where the main series left off. They just have passion for what they do, you know?
If I remember, it was also due to them thinking the Buu saga... Just isn't that good. And they'd rather end it on a high note then complete it just for the sake of it.
Also is the fact that the Cell saga WAS the intended end point for DBZ too. The Buu Saga only exists because toriyama was basically forced to make it due to contractual obligation to keep making chapters until a certain date. Toriyama mistakenly assumed they'd have let him just end it where he wanted and then they didn't.
@@TheTrueDiablix i mean thats never actually been confirmed, but you can tell he was pushing it with Buu
My biggest fear about an anime ending is that it'll be a filler ending that doesn't provide any sort of resolution at the end of it, or does it all with no build or hype which means it lets me down. An ending that delivers on the incredible story that brought it there is what I search for in media.
Burned by Samurai X?
@@ninab.4540 Honestly? Kenshin is longer than most shows I'd be willing to sit down and watch, so not really. I watched Trust & Betrayal and called it good.
of course. the ending is the most important part of the story imo.
thats why most of my favorite anime have top tier endings.
from death parade, to monster, to akudama drive, to sonny boy, to haruhi.
@@randompolygon8401Seriously? Monster? Lmao
" If there is a place where death is meaningless "
It will be in Dragon Ball.
*Marvel and DC has entered the chat*
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Or it's live action counterpart Supernatural. Death means very little when you have an angel willing to resurrect every important character and who you actively have to find ways to nerf regularly.
@@aerieleah533 Supernatural did finally end though. i won't say anything else because spoilers in case you didn't watch it.
As someone whose more likely to re-read an old favorite book or re-watch an old favorite movie than start something knew ... this one hits weirdly.
Just read one piece.
Jesus- this video was an eye opener - I actually do this. I stop an anime (like HxH or reading Berserk) a few episodes before it stops because I don’t want it to end.
Same. Still haven't watched Anohana's ending despite seeing clips of it. This may also be why I rarely watch or finish movies.
@@cryforhelp7270 yh😭- it’s a lil depressing when u think abt it
Calling Vegita "Shadow the Goku" is the best thing I've heard in months.
I think they are very different thou,vegetaisone of the main characters, that is allowed spotlight and to change, unlike shadow. And i like shadow, but he doesnt really since his climax.
@@marocat4749 Well you can blame Shadow not changing on SEGA mandates for that
@@markandrew287 yeah he is kinda in edgy limbo, still cool thou.
Hilarious considering Vegeta is the only one of the two that actually is a character at all. Goku has a void where his personality is supposed to be, and it keeps sucking in hair dye and royalty money.
More like the worst
As someone whose favorite series has ended (Konosuba) it's weird to me to see the fear of endings since more often I see things being left unfinished as far FAR worse.
KonoSuba ended? How did it end?
@@lordoz2578 Maybe they mean the manga or light novel or whatever?
there's a third season and a spin off happening. It didn't end at all.
@@CamsEyeView the light novel ended. you know, the original source.
@@Weiss3r ah so the anime is (hopefully) just adopting the source to the end, well that would've been noteworthy, because I just looked it up and saw the 3rd season, believing this comment to be false
This is why Yu Yu Hakusho was so good. They actually ended it and it felt satisfying and wasn’t stuffed with endless filler
Yu yu ending was cheeks
@@moosesues8887 i dunno yusuke saying bang at the end was pretty cool
The anime's end ? Yeah. The Manga's end was the time I wish Togashi either hired a team to fucking draw or the editors tell him "NO YOSHIHIRO, I won't accept scribbles as finished drawings ! Start inking and shading !"
@@saidi7975wasn't he ill at the time? So telling him off would be crappy. Instead, yeah, hire more assistants, surely YYH was profitable enough at the time.
@@martar.2085 I always take the "ill" part with a grain of salt. I mean, even healthy, there are still panels here and there that are rushed like there's no tomorrow !
Compare with, say, Kazuki Takahashi who had to finish the last Yu-Gi-Oh arc while hospitalized and whose artwork was still top notch ... then again, I do agree that Shueisha's work politics are garbage , the overworking of artists being one reason as to why.
I never thought I would be choked up by a mothers basement video but here we are. I was not ready for how deep and thought provoking this was going to be. You should be proud of this one. (not to say you should not be proud of all of your videos but i hope you get what i mean) you are right though, I've had a large chunk of Gintama that i never wanted to watch because its comforting knowing there is always more of my favorite show ever. But now with the announcement of Ginpachi-sensei I think you are totally right, it's time to say goodbye and finish and enjoy those last episodes i still have.
I recently got into an argument with someone about this kind of thing. They were talking about how they don't like it when stories end and that it's a good thing when they just keep on going. I was arguing that all good stories have a point where the story is over. Sure, the character's lives may continue on, but the story is over and it's time to move on. Either to a new story with new characters, or a new story featuring the same characters.
Pokemon just throw that at them and they lost
Long running stories can only be done right, when the ending is told from the beginning. For example, One Piece, it's long as nuts, however we know it will end with Luffy being the Pirate King and finding the One Piece. Where Dragon Ball fails in this, is that we have no idea where it's going, and it feels like Toriyama never knows either.
Arcs with definitive endings are good too with changes in characters & tie up loose ends.
I’m happy with, for example, the end of the Chimera ant arc. Totally satisfied that that specific story got wrapped up.
Where the characters are left is ok with me, one story ended another started (how to help with the aftermath + world building for dark continent)
@@stormy5621 Pokémon finally ended and I was like, "Hold on, what?! He *FINALLY* is a Pokèmon master?! It took him long enough!"
@@StripedJacket I agree, the show can go on but the chapter has to end.
I honestly clicked on this expecting a video about passing the torch, and in a way it is; just not the sort I was expecting. It's a thought-provoking look at series I love and never wanted to end. I can't disagree because when I first learned that Ash's journey was truly ending, I was genuinely emotional knowing that the series was moving past him. Yeah, Pokemon isn't ending because infinite money but knowing that Ash had achieved his dream was heartwarming. There's plenty in Super I enjoy, but nothing heartwarming.
Yeah as someone who grew up on Pokemon, it is emotional to see. I felt similar when the creator of Yugioh passed away last year as well. I know it’s important to let things die but it’s still painful.
Not every show has to have heart warming moments
If there was no Super, we’d have no Beerus, no S Broly, no Hit, no Goku Black, no Golden Frieza.
As someone who’s been watching dragon ball for over 20 years, I’m glad the Buu saga was not the end of it, let alone GT.
I totally get how endings can be cool but sometimes more really is better
And it’s light hearted shows like this that are more about fun where it makes the most sense
Bro I used to make anime related shorts
Channel name- @Crispyshorts29
No the problem with pokemon is that Ash is the main character and when ash leaves the show should finish. It's actually okay if you have a passing of the torch, Dragonball could totally do that because goku had a son. Ash though cannot do that since there is nobody to pass the torch to, it would simply just be a poor replacement for ash not a passing of the torch. Goku can pass the torch down to Gohan because well gohan is already part of the story and he's the son he's the right person to pass a torch down to. It wouldn't really be a replacement for goku, because they both already exist in the same show since DBZ. Gohan has been there forever and he's became a main character too. You can't really just replace the main character with a completely new character nobody has heard of, unless of course it's Jojo's bizarre adventure then the way they do that is basically through family linage they still follow the concept of family relations so it makes sense and it's still a passing of the torch approach to it. You already know the families history so in that regard and retrospect it makes sense
Nothing heart warming? Super has been the most human the characters have ever been. Goku is actually considering his age. Gohan is dealing with wanting a normal life vs defending the world. Piccolo has embraced being in a family, let alone being the master/mentor to Pan. Krillin has a career and is fighting for his life to have his family look at him as a man. Even Tien is opening up a new generation of fighters.
One of the things that drew me to anime as a kid was that unlike American tv shows which inevitably ran until they stopped being popular leading to unsatisfying conclusions, anime tended to set out to tell a story and then get to the conclusion within a season or two. The endings (generally) satisfied, felt earned, and like they were planned.
This hits different after the recent passing of Toryama. R.I.P. a great legend.
I found this gloriously old and beautiful edition of the Never-Ending Story at a book sale and bought it for only 50 cents. It still had the clear, hardly faded cursive, green handwriting of the mother who gifted it to her son. This video makes me so glad and proud to have read it, although admittedly it was several years ago so I don't remember the extensionalism aimed at the reader although I definitely remember the horror of Bastien losing his memories.
I read it as a kid and missed all of that so... Time for a re-read
This is a book that needs a remake, and this time we keep the scary twist in there to shock people back to reality. I believe that the careful lull of complacent pleasure is the single most terrifyingly evil enemy that mankind has ever encountered. It's the sickly sweet allure of all things addictive and self-destructive: The wafting aroma of an eating condition, the pungent wisps of chemical smokes, the rush of self-righteous rage, the comforting weighted blanket of self-pity, the hollow glow of helping people avoid solving their own problems, or the apathetic caress of a pornography actress. This is the part of us that's terrified to look into the dark corners of our lives, until our lives become little more than dark corners. We're so scared that we can't even think about our shame that we slide off to the side into fantasy and don't even know it, rather than stepping into the pain, confronting our mistakes, and reaching out for help to pull them up by the roots There is always hope. Step to the edge of light, step into the dark, and push back the dark with the light of belief paired with action. Identify the way your life is going, identify the steps you're taking in the wrong direction, and now TURN by taking different steps. Better steps. You'll find them. Ask around and don't lose your ability to trust people and ideas.
Damm dude, this video promissed one thing and delivered something completely different
A greatly welcomed thing for that matter
One of your best stuff, MotherBasement
Kaguya-sama is literally my second most precious and most loved story of all-time, first being One Piece. While One Piece is heading to it's ending, Kaguya-sama ended, and when I knew it would, I never felt such relief, and the worst part of the ending was literally the "and so the story restarts" between character X and character Y (avoiding spoilers, but if you read you know what I mean).
God how I wanted my homies that I've passed so many good moments to have their "and they lived happily ever after". I really love Kaguya, but for me the ending it's not only natural, it's necessary, it's beautiful and it's one of the most important things a story needs.
I read the last chapter with one of my best friends. We laughed, we cried and we remembered all the time we discussed and cherished theses characters and this story, but we were so glad it ended. We always have to let Goku die. To let stories finish and to let all the good things end.
Great video as always! Greetings from Brazil!
As long as there is a Latin America, there will be Goku. The two concepts were born inseparable at the conception of the universe.
As someone who lives here, things might change, i actually had conversations with my friends where we agreed dragon ball sucks nowadays, and some people don't even know It.
Weather that's good or bad remains to be seen
Damn. This is just a good video essay. Given to the right person at the right time this is the kind of video that can change the direction of a life! You should be proud of yourself! I've been watching your stuff for years, and this is some top notch work.
I'm surprised that neither Gurrren Lagann or Evangelion came up considering they both have similar philosophies that you cannot escape or pause living your life; you can only either live it or waste it.
This video is a clear example of why the meme "DB fans don't watch the show" exists 😭😭😭😭
Hey that’s unfair
They don’t read the manga either
Wait…how can you be a DB fan and not watch the show?
@@dylanbuchanan6511 The joke is that they skipped dragon ball (and also probably dragon ball z) and just watch super because its new
@@edgarvega5859 I’d believe it. Honestly, I wish I never watched Z. I wish I watched only DB and spared myself the mental torture of buff karate douchebags screaming for ten hours while shooting laser beams. DB was a fun adventure, Z is just a mental headache.
@@dylanbuchanan6511 you know you can just stop anywhere you want
This reminds me of Unus Annus. We knew from the beginning we had to enjoy it while it lasted and to learn to appreciate the memories. Many cherish the experience as is, yet others still saved the videos and even reuploaded them because they refused to say goodbye to it. It truly shows how we are not taught to let things go, but to try to forcefully keep what makes us happy forever, even once it loses its soul. Yet, I'm glad the creators kept their word and deleted everything when they had planned. It would lose its meaning and value if they didn't. Memento Mori.
Those early DBZ arcs were wonderful tbh😁
They were good. But lazily written with the exact same stakes with no personal realizations or pay off.
@@leargamma4912The calm disappointed look on SSJ Goku's face after he blasted Frieza told a whole story to me, I don't know what your on about.
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To be honest I love rewatching the Dragon Ball Abridged on RUclips. I think it a perfect example in why good things should come to an end.
Abridged is just the Dragon Ball from a different, better timeline
there’s a reason why movies don’t last 8 hours, all good things come to an end fr
I still want that Buu saga abridged
I wanted Buu saga there since i havent seen the original Buu saga and refuse to lol
@@RbDaP Why? it's good.
I think his man may have actually done what I thought was impossible. Convinced me to actually start watching One Piece.
Make sure you tell your friends and family ahead of time so they don’t get worried
One piece really is an amazing series. Even if you don’t finish it (I didn’t) it has some of the best storytelling in all of fiction.
One Piece is something that actually *has* gone on for too long.
@@AmbroseSimpson i kind of agree. It’s an amazing series but getting into it is a nightmare due to its length. You can read 500 chapters and still not be anywhere near caught up. Arcs tend to be between 50-100 chapters long and it can sometimes feel exhaustive. I love one piece, I do, but I like series that feel succinct and complete moreso than ones that go on forever
@@dylanbuchanan6511 Watch One Pace if you want to erase the padding from the anime
That was the best 6 minute description of the lore of Dragon Ball Z I’ve ever heard.
U were right. It’s now 6 months later and they made goku a kid again in DB Daima. The cycle indeed is never ending..
Funny how as AI art destroys art, we are rethinking the meaning of art but also the purpose and reason for art
It's a good thing we are! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Market forces are doing their best to scrape every shred of humanity out of art and every mote of challenge out of story. And we can't fix a problem, if we don't first acknowledge that there *is* one.
Goku long ago reached the end of his character development. Now the only thing left to do with him is constantly make him stronger and stronger. Needless to say, that's not exactly compelling after nearly 40 years.
He also chokes out more interesting characters like Gohan and Piccolo by virtue of his sheer strength. Vegeta is interesting enough, but he's one guy. I personally think that if Goku was kept dead, they could have still explored the vastness of the Dragon Ball cosmos and celestial hierarchy, but in more interesting ways with more interesting characters.
The Dragon Ball world is legitimately intriguing, and as someone who has a soft spot for the complex mythological world of Chinese Buddhism, I want to see more of it.
@@MrGksarathyGohan and Piccolo are more interesting? Don’t me me laugh. They have nothing left. Gohan did everything and is studying and the other guy is just there to be there
@@jaylevi8602 A big part of that is Goku remaining alive and choking out their many potential character arcs. What if Gohan was forced to permanently pick up the mantle of the defender of Earth despite knowing he's not a fan of fighting or conflict? How might that have affected future arcs?
@@MrGksarathy not needed for Gohan at all what he got to as already good enough for him. If anything Goku still has more potential than every other character character wise and developing wise. Gohan is not built and was never meant to be an MC character. He finished his character and should stay studying and on earth
@@MrGksarathy you want to take out the best character just because you think others need to be the MC? There is no need and Akira made the best decision because there was nothing left for those character apart from staying as side characters. Goku still has all the potential but it all depends on the writers.
Thats one reason why samurai Champloo is one of the greatest works of art i have ever seen. Great video. Philosophical and introspective.
I feel like I'm on the other end of the bell curve.
I revel in seeing things come to an end.
The sense of finality is comforting and my curiosity of what comes next is what keeps me motivated.
I was genuinely pleased to see the ending of Ash's story, and I've made the decision to not indulge in Detective Conan until I hear that the series has come to an end.
I feel like the only game that I ever repeatedly play on a semi-regular basis, is Majora's Mask ironically.
A game about a never-ending loop that you're fighting to escape.
Frankly, there's something in the history established for Dragon Ball Online that I think would allow for a perfect "passing of the torch" to... Not Gohan, but his daughter and her best friend, Pan and Bulla.
To summarize, Goku and Vegeta were realizing that they were growing older. As part of Saiyan Biology, they stayed in the prime of their youth for as long as possible, but now that time has passed and they're now rapidly growing older. And so, to die on their own terms, Goku and Vegeta go off into space a safe distance away from Earth, and decide to settle, once and for all, who's the strongest among the two of them.
Years later, a supernova would be discovered by scientists on Earth.
Wow this is a stupid story 😂
I would love to see that
Technically Gohan is the most important character in Dragonball online because he was the one that made civiliaans aware of Ki and published his research for the whole world to see. Then Tien and Krillen became useful because they later became masters of the Crane and turtle martial arts schools. Gohan made people aware of the existence of Ki and Tien and Krillen taught people how to hone their ki.
This video reminds me of what authors like Yoshihiro Togashi and Eiichiro Oda have said about Hunter x Hunter and One Piece. Either they live to finish the story, or the story ends with the author dying. Specifically in Togashi's case because of his medical problems and his long hiatus's. This was something that was always a bit of a joke for long-running and beloved manga's, but the death of Kentaro Miura was the biggest awakening of that always being a real possibility. And something like Berserk will never be the same because it's not being handled by the person who started it all.
Which gives me food for thought. If you would tell me that One-Piece never gets a real ending and just ends tomorrow, I'd still say the way was worth it, and people should give it a go.
But as I've never started Berserk, I'm somewhat undecided whether I really want to start a show that has no true ending.
@User 101 from what I've heard from many Berserk readers, the latest chapter published prior to Miura's death ended in a way that would have been a nice ending for the manga because it had just finished a story line. The only problem with the ending would be that there were many unanswered questions and plot points like Guts's revenge against Griffith.
@@jonehret6221 I really hope Miura kills Griffith off
@@User-md3ul I mean I would at least try it. Just because it’s a different creator doesn’t mean that it’s not the “true” ending. I mean Wheel of Time’s ending was pretty well received despite the fact that Robert Jordan died before it could be finished
this video is basically therapy at this point, it's literally similar to themes that I've touched on in therapy with a real professional about the ideas of using fiction as escapism and the avoidance of less savory realities like stories ending.
9 Months Later and I am still thinking about this video. So I rewatched it. Such an important thing to consider in a world filled with monetized nostalgia. So I'm saddened fewer people seem to have been willing to really listen to this video, but I have, and I have been trying hard to embrace things ending and branching out into new things.
I think as AI becomes more realistic of a threat to important stories, this video can only become more vital for people to hear. Thank you for making it. I plan to revisit it a few more times in the future. Cheers Jeff!
I dunno....I think endings are actually the sweetest part of a story. Seeing how everything comes together and hitting that grand climax hits a sweet spot for me. Thus I've never had that need to have stories go on forever.....instead I get exhausted when a story refuses to end....I've actually dropped long runners only to return once they've ended.
THANK YOU.
This is my biggest problem with anime. I eventually just stopped watching any seasonal stuff because they don't have an ending 99% of the time
@anthropomorphicpeanut6160 FAX. I would rather take long running weekly shonens than long running seasonal ones. 3 seasonal seasons is just perfect tho
Honestly, the reason I haven't read all of Discworld yet is for the reason you said: I don't want there to not be any more Discworld. Heck, it was hard to finish Thief of Time cuz I couldn't stand the idea of not having any more adventures with best girl Susan Sto Helit, and it's why I can't bring myself to finish Snuff and Raising Steam.
Raising steam and snuff are so damn good you gotta cap those off
If Goku dies who is going lead the franchise because it better not Goten and Trunks because I hate them.
Even if you read all the Novels for Adults there is still the YA Novels and the Science of Discworld books. Also, I really like the fanfics of a guy that goes by A.A. Pessimal who does a great job of filling in some of the blank spaces on the map (so to speak) while doing a great job of capturing the voice of Sir Terry.
I have two books left, rasing steam and shepherds crown. But I've gone through this with Douglas Adams before. Now there is Kentaro Miura. I wonder if Yukito Kishiro will be able to "finish" his Battle Angel Alita Saga... although he has done that two times already... kinda.
There is some irony to this, as when you look at Batman, Frank Miller did a good job re-imagining him.
Still I get the point, at some point enough is enough.
If you don’t read them you’ll have even less Discworld.
My favorite thing ever about DBZ is how a youtube shitposter predicted the next 4 years (and still counting) of the franchise.
Gohan Blanco, El Grande Padre, Duracell, Ultra Instinct Shaggy and Super Saiyan Magenta just to name a few.
I'm still waiting for El hermano de Jiren though.
I'm still waiting for super saiyan shark
This is really an amazing video and I gotta thank you for that Jeff because it helped me to realize the shows like FMA, Samurai Champloo, Cowboy Bebop, Death Note, Code Geass, TTGL made me realize what makes a series so great is when you reach the end, you look back at all the episodes that got you there and that ending is earned. It’s really a shame since DB was my first anime and seeing what it’s become really sucks.
When I finished reading the Expanse a while back, I got Disappearance Syndrome harder than I did with the actual movie. The authors knew when it was time to bring everything to an end, and I can't imagine a better way than they did.
The Expanse's ending was so good. SPOILERS
Amos "the last man standing" Burton indeed
If you're a fan of the way the book version of The Expanse ended (as it was inevitably always going to because of just who the characters were), you might like the TV shows Justified, which although about very different people in a very different place and time, likewise sticks the ending after 6 seasons/78 episodes but ends perfectly, because of course that was the way it was always going to end for those people.
Sure, it's 'neo-Western crime drama', instead of SF nearish future (neo)-Space Opera, but ultimately, both stories are about the characters, how they change and grow and how sometimes they don't/can't and never will. Plus so many of the performances are amazing, and not just Timothy Oliphant and Walton Goggins, though they are both outstanding.
Or maybe it's not for you, whether genre, actors or just not your bag. That happens.
hearing people say that they didn't finish mob psycho because they didn't want it to end is like relatable but also sad due to how good the ending is
Didnt expect this random video about goku to give me such a strong existencial crisis
I’m so glad for the editors not about Fantastica vs Fantasia. I just thought Geoff was avoiding any chance of a Disney copyright strike.
Highkey got me a bit over my writer’s block thank you
Happy to be of service!
I always wondered why I had such a distaste for such milked pieces of media, and why I cherish series that have such a satisfying ending, but I think your words about how it ties to our own comfort and understanding of "the end" makes so much sense. I have always had a lot of trouble coping with that concept in reality, so I think a show endlessly pandering to that insecurity does little to help me. Shows with confidence in finality really do comfort me so much. It's kinda like a sigh of relief. Thinking about the memories and immortal stamp those things leave on me, helps feel a little less dread about that same concept in my own life.
Great video!
There will NEVER be a better summary of DBZ than one that ends with "So the good fat baby is gay married to a professional wrestler"
This was so well written! It eloquently analyses so many facets of life that revolve around why and how we watch TV. It is very relevant and honest. You should be very proud!
My wife still hasn't finished Cowboy Bebop. We started watching it together ten years ago in college.
It's been a long time since I suggested we watch it. I think she's happier letting their adventures continue forever in her head.
I mean they do, just not Spike's
That’s how I was with Yu Yu hakusho. Now I’m getting back into it with my girlfriend (her first time watching it) and now we’ll be watching it all the way through the first time together.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 I love how the movie was created because the og audience couldn't accept Spike dies in Ep 26
@@ninab.4540 Which is funny because iirc the movie only adds to those themes
Can only hope other people learn the lessons of this in due time. Stories that have an end in mind are all the stronger for them.
The MCU issue.
@@Macapta if ya don't like it, then don't watch it, heck mute everything from every site about it, no one is saying you have to keep watching, but let those that want to watch it do so.
@@Macapta Okay yes and no. Currently with how the MCU is going so far I'm inclined to agree that Endgame should have been the ending point. But at the same time, Marvel has so many comics and potential stories that could be explored in the MCU, provided that they actually write the stories well. And by god I hope they relearn how to do that again.
@@10tailedbijuu who said I didn’t like the MCU?
@@Macapta Nah, they still got so much more to work with, it's insane.
When I was in Highschool and extremely depressed, the thing that kept me from ending things was that I wanted to see the rest of Rurouni Kenshin. I'd get every VHS when it came out. When the final one arrived (may have been DVDs by then), I kept it sealed in the plastic packaging. I watched it some 15 years later and it was so powerful. So yea, I definitely get that feeling you mentioned with your Ghibli film friend
"But a movie without a beginning or end, that only keeps an audience fascinated but never lets them go... It's harmful, no matter how wonderful you may have thought it was."
"I realized that whether or not I let my favorite stories end, mine will eventually."
You made me stop watching the video, get up, and think for a good, long minute. Would've even gone on a walk if I could, but my dog's feeling under the weather so she's not up for it and I'm not about to leave my girl by her lonesome.
That quote and its implications aside, I have... a lot of thoughts about what you're saying here. I think I'll tackle the most pertinent of all and see if I have any steam left in me first, how about that?
So! On the subject of endings, if I can be allowed to get on my soap box for a minute: no story, in an ideal world, really HAS to end. Every story will touch those that enjoy them in some way, there will be fanworks that carry on those stories, and eventually, those stories will enter the public domain. Goku himself only even exists because he and the earliest parts of his journey were aping (forgive the pun) Journey to the West, and someday, Haruhi willing, people will find themselves doing the same once Dragon Ball itself enters the public domain.
In fact, I would go as far as to say the problem isn't that Goku "needs" to die or that stories "have" to end, it's that we've let the way we think about stories become shaped by rights-holders and money-makers for far too long because the laws have made it so we have to. It's no longer natural to expect stories to be things writers and creators can work for purely out of passion the way it was when copyright could only be held onto for a maximum of like half a century- when things from our own lifetimes would still be relevant to the creators who grew up with them!
As things are now, maybe it is so, but eventually there will be a time when anyone can write their own Dragon Ball GT or Dragon Ball Super or Dragon Ball Saiyaman Epilogue, and it will be as perfectly valid and legal as if anyone sat down and wrote a story about Hercules or the like today. That's the beauty of it.
As a writer myself, I can think of no greater sign of success than something I created having reached so many people that they want to see the story continuing, that they might want to make stories branching off of it themselves. I realize that's a very generous, uncynical take on "let's take this successful IP and milk it dry," but I can't help but believe that before copyright laws were ruined, it was how creators were SUPPOSED to look at things.
Sorry, I think I got so high up on my soap box I think I got way off topic- or maybe I'm just burying my head in the sand to avoid thinking too hard about what you brought up about life and our own stories ending, potentially before we have the chance to tell all of the stories we want to tell. Either way, thanks for the great stuff as always.
Genuinely great video. I’m currently dealing with letting go of a personal relationship that ended really quickly and badly and the idea of just, letting it end and understanding that that’s what everything will do was oddly comforting.
Sorry you’re going through that. I’m glad I could help in some small way.
20:55 This is the best part in the video IMO Every established Media Franchise is milking our nostalgia with a photocopy of a photocopy of something we love. Instead of going to see the latest StarWars/Predator/Alien/Terminator/DBZ/Spiderman, rewatching the classics is the best option. This vague sense of "familiarity" is what they prey on. GT is flawed but the one thing that i can't fault it for is the fact that it had an ending with finality and i'm glad GT exists, without it i would be waiting for an ending that is never going to happen.
Digimon is perhaps closer to my heart than any other show, it was a version of a fairy tale for the early 2000s kids growing up with the emerging technologies of cellphones&comptuers. The fantastical elements in the story merely existed to serve as a way to address the children's coming of age struggles relating to establishing independence from your parents, traumas and search for a new identity. The purpose of Adventure's story was to teach the viewers lessons about life, about growing up and facing adversity. This is why i can't stomach the commercialized perversion of Adventure, all the vapid sequels added nothing meaningful to the story.
I was on board for the adventure reboot at first because the animation and action are really solid but when they screwed up skullgreymon I bailed
The part of parasitic stories taking over people's self, as means to keep itself alive reminds me so mich of discworld, where granny weatherwax continuasly has to fight sucg forces, even in herself as to not let them dictate her actions and of those she can help. Also the fact that her own story ends pretty much in her own terms passing the torch was the most granny watherwax thing that the could have done
Glad to see Discworld referenced in this context. It has a lot to say about stories, both the good and ill they can bring.
This actually makes me want to read the Witch novels in Discworld now. I've been finished the Death, Guards, and Tiffany Aching novels, and I'm most of the way through the Moist novels. So I was trying to figure out if I wanted the Witches, Rincewind, or Science novels next.
The Good Place ended just perfect. And also thematically addresses death and true ends and closures. Every show at the start should have its end in mind.
That show ending with Bojack was perfect timing. Talk about the two sides of death being explored.
it went to shit way before the ending
I absolutely hated the ending of the Good Place.
I'm reminded of that episode of The Super Friends, that Hanabara cartoon, where there was a guy who invented a computer that would do everything for you so you didn't have to work. This included computer generated sporting events and movies, simulating it so the actors and athletes also didn't have to work. Naturally this resulted in people getting lazy and the system breaking down when unexpected problems occurred. It is a bit scary to think of what shows the A.I. would come up with.
Geoff, I have never like or commented on a video of yours before
But this is a well done, well thought out and pen to paper video I see from my favourite video essayists.
Kudos to you sir.
Which is why I love Vivy’s Flourite Eye Song where the show doesn’t juggle around with unnecessary plot and ended in a good note despite there are some hiccups
Bruhhh, VIVY was a masterpiece 😢.
Truly one of the unique animes that will forever have a special place in my mind. The older you get, the more you appreciate short and concise series that manage to tell a compelling story without dragging them out (like most popular shonens do).
Such a good show… in every way
shut up
To be fair the get-out-of-death-for-a-day pass had been forshadowed way back in the original dragonball with Gokus grandfather, though it was Uranai Baba who made this happen in the manga.
That's not foreshadowing...
I'm sure Toriyama knew 9 years after introducing that concept he was gonna bring it back in a story he didn't even think of yet.
It was established as possible, at least.
@@SonicmaniaVideos isn't that foreshadowing, then?
No...
@@Gloomdrake Doing something once and then doing that same thing again but later in the story isn't foreshadowing.
Definition of foreshadowing: A literary device in which authors hint at plot developments that don't actually occur until later in the story.
What Toriyama did was just reintroduce a concept that hadn't been relevant/needed in a while
My issue is that we lack 'shared experiences', and there are many shows I won't watch without a friend to watch them with... because shared experiences are so much more valuable.
I think this might be one my favorite videos of yours. Thanks geoff.
I love the fate series because instead of being one massive story, it's a lot of stories set in different places from different perspectives in the same world with it's own rules and power systems, which gets explored even further when you check out the other properties Nasu has written.
If you follow Apocrypha, you learn the Astolfo gay story.
If you follow CCC, you learn BB shanigans.
If you follow Zero, you get Kiritsugu happy days.
Each story has an ending at least, you can follow it, enjoy it and, IF you want more, Nasu connects it to more stories.
Merciful, compared to other franchises.
@@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961 the sad part is that people are too afraid to start because of the amount of stuff there is to watch, when all it takes is a little research to realize that there isn't really a watch order and you can just watch whatever you want as long as you watch one of the stay night routes or zero first
@@zaboono Heck, if you're not the type to care about "release order", "author's intent", or everyone's favorite word "spoilers", you don't even have to do that! Just treat the franchise like a buffet; bite into something that looks cool to you and ignore everything else!
@@MazekialAs a more than casual fan, that hurts me a bit, but it's not like Fate or the Type-Moon verse as a whole is actually the most super complex verse out there that demands your utmost focus and attention. In any case, I myself have sort of dissociated from that series because I disagree with it's main ideas about humanity and civilizational progress.
@@MrGksarathy Interesting, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.
This was a genuinely great dive into endings in media and the fandoms that surrounds them! I was not expecting it to be quite that real when i read the tittle, but you have a way of just hitting the nail on the head with theese videos of yours!
Endings are my favourite part of a story. Espechially an open ending where not all the questions are answered and where we readers are left to think and speculate what's next. I can't wait for One piece to one day end and tear my heart to pieces.
DBZA ended in the best possible spot, even if i will miss them. The Cell saga was great, and the rest of DBZ and DBS feel like hollow imitations of what it was before.
Also, Shadow the Goku fucking killed me and i will be referring to the prince of all Goku's by that from now on.
I agree.
This is why I consider the first season of The Seven Deadly Sins to be the best.
The anime could have ended at the first season and it would have been great
Yeah I'm stealing Shadow the Goku' as well. That was beautiful
@@flow185The manga was actually good, so that's a different problem altogether. Nakaba wrote his manga with a very definite story to tell and end in mind, and he executed it pretty well. Heck, even his sequel manga actually works, since it also has a definite story its trying to tell with engaging OCs who aren't the original Sins.