Queen Calanthe's Armour: A reply to
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- I really enjoyed watching the Witcher, and I also really enjoy watching @JillBearup's armour and fight reviews, so when she said she couldn't quite put her finger on why Queen Calanthe's armour looked odd to her, I felt this was a discussion I could add my 2pence into.
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In my opinion, the armor has another problem: it seems to me that they put on the pauldrons backwards.
That's a very real possibility. I've seen it many times before.
It’s in the uncanny valley of armor.
it's literally a gothic backplate, and a relatively good one for cinema... so close but so stupid
The backplate at 6:45 has the movie plate order! (Overlapping on top)
Wondering if this arrangement is not seen in irl armour because stabby stabbies like a halfsworded sword might be more like to come from the bottom. At the back its less jmportant, hence we see it irl
Also, calanthes armour might be like that because in the modern world, the nicer looking form for both men and women are typically thought to be a bigger chest (or bosom) and smaller in the middle. Hence why the overlapping plates are on top as seen here or in videpgames
Yes, we see backplates overlapping either way, so I think it was less important for them.
Maybe another aspect might be whether you fight to a larger part on foot or on horse? I saw something similar with English and European continental sabatons. The English ones' lames overlap in a direction that prevents blade stabbing from a strike from above, the European continental models from a strike from the bottom. Obviously, you can only have one, so you have to make, as armourer, the decision which option to choose.
@@SandraOrtmann1976 maybe. I rmb a knyght errant video mentioning how english (foot) might more likely go for top overlapping plate skirts, whereas french (cav) went for overlapping below
Come from Jill’s channel. Great vid. I have subbed
Great, Thank You!
Lovely video! So grateful for you sharing your knowledge and to Jill for pointing us your way! I know nothing about armor but it seems to me that the overlapping issue you discussed is practical: overlapping upwards like the historical armors you showed, would help with deflecting blows, like you said about the vertical and diagonal lines while overlapping downwards like Calanthe’s would catch a blow and give it a place to bit in!
Very interesting observations. Thanks a lot for pointing out these details of armor pieces overlapping.
Came from Jill’s community post. Really liked the video and extra context. Thank you for adding your perspective.
Thanks for coming by. I'm glad you like it.
It also seems to me that the opening for the arms are too small, in other words the plate is too wide at the top, impeding the movement of the arms towards the front of the chest and above the head. Isn't it?
Yes, I see what you mean. This is more evidence that it's actually just a backplate, because the arm cutouts are generally wider on the back.
I think an upward overlapping is much more convenient if you want to bend forward, wile a downward overlapping is better for bending backward. That’s why, imho, chest armour usually overlap upwards while leg plates overlap (when and if they overlap) downward. In the end I’m sure Queen Calanthe had lots of problem in battle both on horse and foot
Also missing the waist - I think that sideways bending is pretty fifficult in this shape?
Thank you.
Really interesting video. One very annoying thing that has nothing to do with your video content is that these are the same issues mentioned dozens upon dozens of times already in so many videos regarding movie prop armor. I understand the various reasons this is done, but it still bothers me so much that there seems to be this very clear regression from the armours used in movies during the 50s and movies made today.
As a 35 year three weapon fencer, I see several places to main or kill her quick. Her shoulders/ armpit are accessible to a good slam, either break a bone or hit the nerve bundle that runs through there. Mail stops points, not blows. (A lot of fencers have mail under the jacket at high level competition, not common but if you ever had or saw a run through…) Her neck is vulnerable. It’s really poorly designed armor, they shoulda looked to Brienne of Tarth.
None of these are especially dealbreakers, and many soldiers went into battle with less armour. However, as Queen, she would be a high priority target, and armoured as such.
Sorry to say but I think it is very off, it has no shape, it is not nearly enough narrow at the top of the shoulders, there is no fauld, the tassets are wierd and dumb, the pauldrons are... what are they? The vambraces have no shape.
just looks like they've copied a backplate tbh