I love the new bikes as much as anyone. But I ride an older, ca.2011, Pinarello FP3. Still a head turner today. Recently, I was invited on a group ride with a bunch of fellows, most of whom had very current bikes. Even amidst all these beautiful, expensive, modern masterpieces, everyone was fawning over my "old fashioned" bike. 50/34 chainwheel, 11-25 freewheel, rim brakes, alloy rims, external cabling, no power meter, no computer. Ha, I love how it's standing up.
That was a really in depth video, thx so much. Back in the late 90's I built a Colnago SLX and put Dura Ace on it , I was told by the shop it was a sin not to use Campagnolo components. When I saw the Colnago review I was like "yes" ..I was right .. lol
Some very interesting stuff. 1. The fact no one runs below 7kg, because aero is king. 2. Enve wheels paired with gp5000 not enve tires. 3. How some of the best riders are using 30mm and above for gp5000. Wider tires becoming the norm are great, much more comfort for ave riders and still quick.
The Canyon Aeroad with the seen seatpost clamp has actually been released to the public a few weeks ago, Canyon just didn't make any public announcements about it but just silently replaced the photos on their website
the cervelo s5 is a size 51cm and the sram red cassette is way bigger than the traditional 10-33 cassette. they are rumored to be running 36t to pair with their 1x crankset
Yeah, I wondered if that was the case, but the tyres on Kristoff's bike looked like normal Pro One's other than the blue stripe - the Aerothan tyres ar Eurobike appeared much thinner and had a slightly different tread pattern. It could well be a new/different TPU version of the Pro One TLE, though - hopefully we can find out more soon! Cheers for watching. Simon
Thank you for the details you provided here! Always nice to see bikes I could never afford to ride... :) If your time permits, could you please have a more detailed look at the Giant? Also, they seem to have an extreme difference between small and large frame size!?
Haha, likewise! 😀 Unfortunately, we didn't get time to have a detailed look at the Giant's this year, but we did have an in-depth look at the new Propel at last year's race - you can watch that video here: ruclips.net/video/ZIa3vAB-6iA/видео.html Alternatively, you can read my full review of the Giant Propel Advanced SL 0 on our website: www.bikeradar.com/reviews/bikes/road-bikes/2023-giant-propel-advanced-sl-0-review/
Love the attention to detail. Look at Cavendish bike. If he ever starts his own company he already has the perfect brand logo 6:24 I wonder if the valve cap delete is intentional. It saves 5 grams and makes the bike slightly more aero, saving 0.007 watts/km
It s really cool to be in such close proximity to these beautiful machines, always curious about the top level bikes. Your access is impressive, these teams must like and trust you! Does anyone ride Campagnolo anymore? How about the new BMC team bikes? I am still riding a 2011 BMC Racemachine ..but my riding skills hardly even warrants that even that degree of technology!
The teams are usually very accommodating to be fair - they want the publicity for their sponsors as much as we want to cover the bikes, so it kind of works out. But yes, we are very careful with the bikes! AG2R are still using Campagnolo - we took a close look at Ben O'Connor's prototype BMC aero road bike, which had the new Campagnolo Super Record Wireless on it, in one of our other videos from this year's Tour de France: ruclips.net/video/uKyZq0zxj64/видео.html Cheers for watching! Simon
@@christophertan3195faster uphill, basically the same flat. These alleged speed benefits of aero bikes are firstly very minimal, and secondly from wind tunnel data which doesn’t always apply to the real wind. Remember tail fin aero helmets anyone?
Really nice review. How on earth did you blag your way to get so intimate with the bikes!? Interesting to see the real mix up of kit and sizing in the mix!
My favourite by far is Pogacar's bike because of the matte black paintjob and silver accents on the logos, in addition to all the small considerations like the handlebars and seatpost
I think the ultralight tubular wheels and narrow tyres help here, plus the fact that the bike is wrapped rather than painted and it's a fairly small size. But you're right, it's impressive for a proper aero road bike! Cheers for watching. Simon
@1barnet1 all I can say is the pre-face lift version in 54 which you can hardly tell apart, with a lighter dura ace groupo on our scales was 7.8kg, so also equally intrigued how facelift and heavier groupset has led to such a huge weight loss. Must be outrageously light set of wheels and tyres!!
@LordAus123 and I suppose we must also accept that perhaps the stuff the pros ride isn't quite the same as the stuff we can buy - even if it is the top of the range. I still find it odd that the commentators refer to JV R5 climbing bike they're using, that isn't actually available to the public and doesn't look like an R5....😂😂
Would be interesting to ask why jumbo has been driving shallow wheels in general on the s5 this year.. not often you see them on 50mm or deeper, even for the classics.
Yeah, that's right - the new Shimano Dura-Ace moved from 53-39t to 54-40t with the latest generation and every Shimano-sponsored rider we saw was using those at the Grand Depart. Of course, some might switch to a 52/36t or 50/34t for mountainous stages, but also maybe not - given they have access to 11-34t cassettes these days, many won't need smaller chainrings unless it's a super steep climb. Crazy how fast these guys are! Cheers for watching. Simon
Incredible you can touch the bikes and take the weight 😮 I would not want that the whole world knows every detail about my bike - especially when i want to win the tour. How did you manage to do that mate? Do we get some insights about thr TT bikes soon? The Colnago TT1 looks so nice but sadly its not available 😢
We just ask nicely 🙂Unfortunately we didn't have time to cover the TT bikes this year, as the TT isn't until later in the race and we were only around for the Grand Depart. Cheers for watching. Simon
Very interesting to see the bike weights. Some surprises in there - how light the S5 was and how heavy the Filante was. Maybe it really is made of marble.
why do these guys have "too small" frames and handlebar? if I wanna feel more agile should I go from 54 to a 52/51? (I am 178cm) - or is it for amateur riders not feasible to ride for hours in a such a sportive position?
Hi, in our experience, most brands actually measure handlebars centre to centre at the brake hoods and/or drops. We chose to measure at the brake hoods as that where most riders spend most of their time. Cheers for watching, Simon
Interesting MVDP's handlebars appear to be 40cm, whilst according to Canyon's website they can be adjusted between 39, 41 and 43cm on the current generation. I don't think he has a non-flex seatpost given his Paris-Roubaix bike also had the seat clamp on the top. If it's going to be a new model, it's quite surprising he'd be the only one riding that bike in his team.
Hi, ENVE actually confirmed to us the integrated handlebar is new - it uses a different geometry to their previous handlebars. You can read more about it on our website, if you're interested: www.bikeradar.com/news/tadej-pogacar-enve-handlebar-tour-de-france/ Cheers for watching! Simon
Good spot, but I believe it's intentionally reversible (to allow the rider to choose a steeper seatpost angle) rather than in the 'wrong' way. Cheers for watching, Simon
Ha the teams were a bit more relaxed on that this year as the bikes were generally a little lighter - last year in Copenhagen, everyone was riding aero bikes with super deep rims and the teams were a bit more hesitant to let us weigh them! Cheers for watching. Simon
You should't measure stem lenghts to the end of the handlebars. F.e. lenghth of MVDP stem is 10cm (maybe 11cm) but definitely not 12cm. It should be measured to the centre of handlebars.
I don't know what size Aeroad MvdP rides but I have an exact identical setup to his, except saddle is fizik and tyres are 25mm GP5000s, mine is a medium & weighs 7.4kg w/pedals and bottle cages.. Weird... Don't know if the paint adds a bit? Mine was built from the frameset option and comes with polished carbon finish. Still seems quite a lot heavier? Paint, vittorias, saddle = 0.4kg? I mean my left arse cheek probably weighs more than MvdP, so......😂😂
I’m finally getting used to the hidden cable, wide tires look, and starting to really like it. But I’ll never get used to people starting every other sentence with “in terms of”; just say what you’re about to describe, dammit!
We did measure Cav's tyres, but I guess the footage showing that didn't make the cut. For the record, Cav had 28c Vittoria Corsa Pro TLR tyres, which measured 27.4mm wide on the HED rims. If you want more detail on Cav's bike, we published a bike check on our website: www.bikeradar.com/features/pro-bike/2023-tour-de-france-hands-on-mark-cavendish-custom-wilier-filante-slr/ Cheers for watching! Simon
We can't cover everything, unfortunately, so we simply weren't able to get to see them with the limited time we had in Bilbao. Cheers for watching! Simon
I just purchased the SuperSix, so I guess that is my vote.
Great video. My favourite was the SuperSix Evo of Carapaz - such a good looking bike
very interesting and straight to details without messing time...more of these!
That Super6 looks very cool but the S5 is an aero dream bike. Great video BikeRadar, thank you!
Trek Madone SLR - Team Lidl 😎☝️
In this video got to be the Pinarello !!
Colnago bike is FIRE!!!!!
I love the new bikes as much as anyone. But I ride an older, ca.2011, Pinarello FP3. Still a head turner today. Recently, I was invited on a group ride with a bunch of fellows, most of whom had very current bikes. Even amidst all these beautiful, expensive, modern masterpieces, everyone was fawning over my "old fashioned" bike.
50/34 chainwheel, 11-25 freewheel, rim brakes, alloy rims, external cabling, no power meter, no computer. Ha, I love how it's standing up.
Super six evo cannondale !!!! Amazing one!
That was a really in depth video, thx so much. Back in the late 90's I built a Colnago SLX and put Dura Ace on it , I was told by the shop it was a sin not to use Campagnolo components. When I saw the Colnago review I was like "yes" ..I was right .. lol
Colnago looks great to me...............light and areo - simple and elegant - Ernesto did it again
Canyon is such a beautiful bike.
I've been a Colnago fan since 1986, so I guess Tadej gets my vote for the coolest bike
Love your straight forward presenting style
Some very interesting stuff.
1. The fact no one runs below 7kg, because aero is king.
2. Enve wheels paired with gp5000 not enve tires.
3. How some of the best riders are using 30mm and above for gp5000.
Wider tires becoming the norm are great, much more comfort for ave riders and still quick.
Which of these 8 machines are your favourite? 👇
My choice: the Cannondale!
Wilier Wilier Wilier ❤
Cannondale
Look 795 Blade RS :)
I wouldn't say no to any of them but that Willier is "lit" as the young people say.
The Canyon Aeroad with the seen seatpost clamp has actually been released to the public a few weeks ago, Canyon just didn't make any public announcements about it but just silently replaced the photos on their website
True story, only just had my CFR frameset delivered and still has the seat post clamp screw in the seat stay....
@@richardgrainger6334 I think it's just for MVDP frames, yet. If you look on MVDP CFR bikes (the red and white), both have the new seatpost clamp.
Colnago V4RS is my favorite. I love seeing the latest bike tech. Thanks for pulling this together.
Yeah mine too.
Lovely reviews. Thanks. Lovely work.
Colnago of course
the cervelo s5 is a size 51cm and the sram red cassette is way bigger than the traditional 10-33 cassette. they are rumored to be running 36t to pair with their 1x crankset
The blue Schwalbe Pro One tires should be the new thermoplastic polyurethane (TPU) tires, which were on display at this years Eurobike 👍 .
Yeah, I wondered if that was the case, but the tyres on Kristoff's bike looked like normal Pro One's other than the blue stripe - the Aerothan tyres ar Eurobike appeared much thinner and had a slightly different tread pattern. It could well be a new/different TPU version of the Pro One TLE, though - hopefully we can find out more soon! Cheers for watching. Simon
Ive seen some vender selling lavender and yellow sidewalls of the pro one tires, so they’re out there.
09:23 Sora shifters!
😅Great Review, some stunning kit. Interesting to see Pod using wider tyres. Amazing rider.
wow incredible to see the scale numbers. Best pro bike video i have seen this year. Seems like no one does these like back in the day. Thx! :)
Thank you for the details you provided here! Always nice to see bikes I could never afford to ride... :)
If your time permits, could you please have a more detailed look at the Giant? Also, they seem to have an extreme difference between small and large frame size!?
Haha, likewise! 😀
Unfortunately, we didn't get time to have a detailed look at the Giant's this year, but we did have an in-depth look at the new Propel at last year's race - you can watch that video here: ruclips.net/video/ZIa3vAB-6iA/видео.html
Alternatively, you can read my full review of the Giant Propel Advanced SL 0 on our website: www.bikeradar.com/reviews/bikes/road-bikes/2023-giant-propel-advanced-sl-0-review/
Amazing setups 💛
Colnago handlebar is insane
they're all DECENT ;-) love the CANYON 😈
Pogacars bike, absolutely. Nice review.
Colnago one for me, Pinarello number two :)
Colnago
Great video
Love the attention to detail. Look at Cavendish bike. If he ever starts his own company he already has the perfect brand logo 6:24
I wonder if the valve cap delete is intentional. It saves 5 grams and makes the bike slightly more aero, saving 0.007 watts/km
I vote for the Look Blade. If i start saving up now, I might be able to get one in ten years.😅
For info..
Jonas Vingegaards bike costs around...
24.000 euros 😊
Great info very interesting 👍👍🤩😃🚴🏻
It s really cool to be in such close proximity to these beautiful machines, always curious about the top level bikes. Your access is impressive, these teams must like and trust you! Does anyone ride Campagnolo anymore? How about the new BMC team bikes? I am still riding a 2011 BMC Racemachine ..but my riding skills hardly even warrants that even that degree of technology!
The teams are usually very accommodating to be fair - they want the publicity for their sponsors as much as we want to cover the bikes, so it kind of works out. But yes, we are very careful with the bikes!
AG2R are still using Campagnolo - we took a close look at Ben O'Connor's prototype BMC aero road bike, which had the new Campagnolo Super Record Wireless on it, in one of our other videos from this year's Tour de France: ruclips.net/video/uKyZq0zxj64/видео.html
Cheers for watching! Simon
That Dare looks like a knock off of an old Parlee frame design.
Mercedes 200 /8 is the hottest bike ever made.
Regards from Germany 😂❤🎉
cannondale and colnago win it
Good to see the bike industry is catering for body positive weights! The bikes in 1997 were lighter than these. Before I was born.
They were also way slower
@@christophertan3195faster uphill, basically the same flat. These alleged speed benefits of aero bikes are firstly very minimal, and secondly from wind tunnel data which doesn’t always apply to the real wind. Remember tail fin aero helmets anyone?
@@HkFinn83 Like Alan on 2 and a half men lol.
Awesome video. It all comes down to the spirit of the rider.
My favourite is the Trek ridden by Mads Pedersen
Can’t believe you didn’t do a freehub sound check on any of them!
Big oof
Why bother, what does it tell you?
Why he should. Freehub soundchecks are boring. The sound ist trash when youre not standing next to. It makes no sense in a youtube Video
I'm kinda relieved without the free hub sound check.
Music
Really nice review. How on earth did you blag your way to get so intimate with the bikes!? Interesting to see the real mix up of kit and sizing in the mix!
A press pass, some fluttered eyelids and a nice smile will get you anywhere
You missed Madds Madone! In fact, all of the Lidl Trek Bikes have some of the most amazing paint jobs!
My favourite by far is Pogacar's bike because of the matte black paintjob and silver accents on the logos, in addition to all the small considerations like the handlebars and seatpost
I have seen the UAE bikes up close at TDU and they are awesome
Colnago for me... If nothing else it looks way classier than the others.
I am really surprised how Jumbo got that Cervelo so light.
From visual no windtunnel view. I’d probably say that one is the quickest.
I think the ultralight tubular wheels and narrow tyres help here, plus the fact that the bike is wrapped rather than painted and it's a fairly small size. But you're right, it's impressive for a proper aero road bike! Cheers for watching. Simon
@@bikeradar yes totally agree on the tubulars and rims
@1barnet1 all I can say is the pre-face lift version in 54 which you can hardly tell apart, with a lighter dura ace groupo on our scales was 7.8kg, so also equally intrigued how facelift and heavier groupset has led to such a huge weight loss. Must be outrageously light set of wheels and tyres!!
That’s just the thing though, aerodynamics are not intuitive and not guessable. It really leaves us punters guessing at what actually is most aero.
@LordAus123 and I suppose we must also accept that perhaps the stuff the pros ride isn't quite the same as the stuff we can buy - even if it is the top of the range. I still find it odd that the commentators refer to JV R5 climbing bike they're using, that isn't actually available to the public and doesn't look like an R5....😂😂
Apparently, I must commission for myself a super narrow integrated handlebar. 😅
TJV on tubs and UAE on tubeless, very interesting.
I would have liked to see something about the new Merida Scultura with its new paint job, and know why is the Pello Bilbao bike black🤔
Gosh ! What beautiful bicycles. Roughly how much do these sleek machines cost ? I bet theyre very, very expensive !
colnago👍
Would be interesting to ask why jumbo has been driving shallow wheels in general on the s5 this year.. not often you see them on 50mm or deeper, even for the classics.
Wilier filante of course. Best bike i ever had
So the Dare which is the cheapest bike in the peloton weighs less with deeper wheels than the Canyon which cost double 😅
How about the works sl7?
Did he say that 54/40 chainring is standard across the peloton? I couldn’t quite hear him. If so, is that what they would run on mountain stages?
I thought I heard him say 54x42
Yeah, that's right - the new Shimano Dura-Ace moved from 53-39t to 54-40t with the latest generation and every Shimano-sponsored rider we saw was using those at the Grand Depart.
Of course, some might switch to a 52/36t or 50/34t for mountainous stages, but also maybe not - given they have access to 11-34t cassettes these days, many won't need smaller chainrings unless it's a super steep climb.
Crazy how fast these guys are! Cheers for watching. Simon
Bu video için teşekkür ederim . Biz bu bisikletleri rüyamızda bile göremeyiz 😒🚴♀🚴♂
he looks imaciated
Colnago
Most important part of a bicycle : legs
No Specialized Tarmac review??
Incredible you can touch the bikes and take the weight 😮
I would not want that the whole world knows every detail about my bike - especially when i want to win the tour.
How did you manage to do that mate?
Do we get some insights about thr TT bikes soon? The Colnago TT1 looks so nice but sadly its not available 😢
We just ask nicely 🙂Unfortunately we didn't have time to cover the TT bikes this year, as the TT isn't until later in the race and we were only around for the Grand Depart. Cheers for watching. Simon
@@bikeradar thanks for the great work 👍
Very interesting to see the bike weights. Some surprises in there - how light the S5 was and how heavy the Filante was. Maybe it really is made of marble.
21:13 . Anyone know what bar tape is that ?
why do these guys have "too small" frames and handlebar? if I wanna feel more agile should I go from 54 to a 52/51? (I am 178cm) - or is it for amateur riders not feasible to ride for hours in a such a sportive position?
Your trainers are dope!
A wrap is lighter than paint?
The Dogma
Thank you for the video,really cool.
"Kind of like", you get me fam?
Why no specialized s-works as thy are we well-represented in the tour?
It would be nice if this gentleman would do a video like this for the RAAM bikes.
The Trek bike you did not show.😆 rode Trek since 84. I had their first race bike, the pink 770
Handlebar widths are to be measured as sold, at the very ends, end to end across. Not across the hoods.
Hi, in our experience, most brands actually measure handlebars centre to centre at the brake hoods and/or drops. We chose to measure at the brake hoods as that where most riders spend most of their time.
Cheers for watching, Simon
wow , modern bikes are so heavy ,it actually seem like they getting heavier . dont feel so bad about my system six being 8kg
I remember when 23c was a big tire...
Interesting MVDP's handlebars appear to be 40cm, whilst according to Canyon's website they can be adjusted between 39, 41 and 43cm on the current generation. I don't think he has a non-flex seatpost given his Paris-Roubaix bike also had the seat clamp on the top. If it's going to be a new model, it's quite surprising he'd be the only one riding that bike in his team.
This is something this guy should know it’s all about power delivery and grounding get that right and all equipment will shine ✨
The Enve handlebar isn't new, but you can only buy it with a custom made enve bike.
Hi, ENVE actually confirmed to us the integrated handlebar is new - it uses a different geometry to their previous handlebars. You can read more about it on our website, if you're interested: www.bikeradar.com/news/tadej-pogacar-enve-handlebar-tour-de-france/
Cheers for watching! Simon
Jonas seat post is put in the wrong way lol
Good spot, but I believe it's intentionally reversible (to allow the rider to choose a steeper seatpost angle) rather than in the 'wrong' way. Cheers for watching, Simon
I’m surprised they let you weigh the bikes
Ha the teams were a bit more relaxed on that this year as the bikes were generally a little lighter - last year in Copenhagen, everyone was riding aero bikes with super deep rims and the teams were a bit more hesitant to let us weigh them! Cheers for watching. Simon
They all really look the same these days so it really comes down to the graphics. Colnago is the sexiest sounding word so that one wins. 😂
Is it me or do these tdf racers have heavier bikes than the weekend warriors on the weekend.
You should't measure stem lenghts to the end of the handlebars. F.e. lenghth of MVDP stem is 10cm (maybe 11cm) but definitely not 12cm. It should be measured to the centre of handlebars.
What happened to Bianchi? It used to be the best brand.
Canyon
Hello I am a millionare where can i buy all of those bikes?
Colnago seems to be the most advanced actually really pushing the narrow bar trend and the wide tires trend
Bro. The wheels and the handlebar are both made by Enve. Has nothing to do with Colnago on Tadej's bike. LOL
Are they tubular or tubeless clinchers?
The cervelo and one of the giants were on tubulars all the rest looked to be tubeless.
Colnago V4RS using Shimano with stock jockey wheels and no after market metal ceramic speed or Kogel aluminum over sized anything... 🧐
I don't know what size Aeroad MvdP rides but I have an exact identical setup to his, except saddle is fizik and tyres are 25mm GP5000s, mine is a medium & weighs 7.4kg w/pedals and bottle cages.. Weird... Don't know if the paint adds a bit? Mine was built from the frameset option and comes with polished carbon finish. Still seems quite a lot heavier? Paint, vittorias, saddle = 0.4kg? I mean my left arse cheek probably weighs more than MvdP, so......😂😂
If weight is not so important compared to "aero" 😂, why doesn't anyone ride shimano 105, tiagra e.t.c. gropsets? (why dura-ace, sram red e.t.c.?)
Thankyou.
Because every avg Joe needs a 5 grand road disc pizza cutter for their once a week cafe ride. Got it 😂
ok their wider tyres its not about faster gajn but more to grip gain and since they have to race in the rain
I’m finally getting used to the hidden cable, wide tires look, and starting to really like it. But I’ll never get used to people starting every other sentence with “in terms of”; just say what you’re about to describe, dammit!
You said you'd measure Cav's tires, but then didn't show it. What did they measure?
We did measure Cav's tyres, but I guess the footage showing that didn't make the cut. For the record, Cav had 28c Vittoria Corsa Pro TLR tyres, which measured 27.4mm wide on the HED rims. If you want more detail on Cav's bike, we published a bike check on our website: www.bikeradar.com/features/pro-bike/2023-tour-de-france-hands-on-mark-cavendish-custom-wilier-filante-slr/
Cheers for watching! Simon
Why are there no videos that feature the Bianchi oltre rc
We can't cover everything, unfortunately, so we simply weren't able to get to see them with the limited time we had in Bilbao. Cheers for watching! Simon