Why Can't They Write Good Female Characters?
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- The modern approach to female representation in media is...just terrible. There are a lot of people that defend the awful characters that come out of this attempt to make women appear perfect, superior, and all-powerful. Today we're talking about what separates good female characters from bad ones.
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What modern Hollywood doesn't understand
Strong FEMALE character - No ❌
Strong female CHARACTER - Yes✔️
But why doesn't anyone throw a tantrum when every Harrison Ford, Anold Schwarzenegger, Bruce Willis, etc character just the same characher over and over and hardly ever having meaningful weaknesses or any of the shit people complain about female characters? That's the double standard.
Because there is difference between repeating same (type) of character and not having one? Probably some nostalgia factor and maybe illusion connect with how they are famous. If they play new film similar character that they played in old films, people have feeling, they already watched they character development and know what to expect (because they behaving same), even if it's totally different films. At least I think, that can be reason, but can be wrong.
@@j.f.fisher5318Because they also play other characters. Every one of those actors has a wide range of films, from comedy, to drama, to thriller.
However if you look at "The Rock", he has already become stale with the same character in every movie. And people bring it up all the time.
And despite Bruce Willis doing a large number of types, he does get a lot of flack for his recent string of action roles. Seriously when was the last time you saw someone excited to see the next Willis film?
Of course non of that matters in regards to the topic of this video essay, since the complaint wasn't that they are all the same character, but that they are all poorly written protagonists.
Spot on. Do you mind if I steal this comment?
Imo this is a mic drop in the usual stupid arguments...
@@j.f.fisher5318 Well there are instances where that is criticizes
Toph and Katara from Avatar are both extremely popular characters. Colette in Ratatouille probably was written to be a strong female character given she angrily tells Linguini that she’s the only woman in the kitchen because of rules made by stupid old men to keep her out so she had to get there by being better at cooking than everyone else was. But since they developed her character beyond that people ended up really liking her.
Also Mira Nova in Buzz Lightyear of Star Command
A double standard isn't disproven by liking some female characters its accepting shallow male characters without complaint while throwing a tantrum about any female character that isn't written at the pinnacle of writing prowess.
@@j.f.fisher5318 I agree. Cutting slack for poorly written male characters while demanding well-written female characters is sexist.
@@matityaloran9157the fuck you 2 on about?
@@j.f.fisher5318 Why must people blindly love every female character?
go kick rocks
Sarah Connor is my favorite. She is shown building herself to be stronger, and then when she breaks out of the institution it is totally believable. She has a great arc and she is shown to be vulnerable but also caring.
OMG that was a very well done character. "Didn't she used to be a waitress?" to the mother of the leader of a human rebellion... especially the reveal in T2.
@@CugastratosYeah she was a waitress in T1. Then changed into Sarah Connor in T2 in between the films. Talk about character development.
I just rewatched Silence of the Lambs and I have a newfound love for Clarice Starling. Her struggle in both solving the case while at the same time having to put up with the rampant sexism from her new colleagues and others feels real and authentic. It is realistically showing the struggles a woman would face being in a male dominated field WITHOUT the entire story being about that. She struggles. She succeeds. She exists. She is treated like a person who we see rise and fall over the course of the story.
And when she actually wins in the end by solving the case and getting the bad guy, it actually feels warranted. This is what I would call a real strong female character and one that writers today should look to when they actually need inspiration about how to do it correctly.
Should have cited the mother and daughter in A Quiet Place as great female leads. That very last shot of her pumping the shotgun with a steely-eyed bada** look on her face was 200% earned, not just shoved in there because "woman tough! Woman as good as man, rawr!" The daughter doesn't really have a "tough girl" moment to speak of, but she's still a good character because she's believable and the audience automatically roots for her.
Ellen Ripley. Alien is my favorite movie. She was competent, well trained, focused under pressure, no tantrums, all while being increasingly afraid for her life, and crew. So afraid, she sang to herself, but she didn't freeze.
Then, she saddles up to face the literal mother of monsters, that have haunted her nightmares, in order to rescue her surrogate child
If Alien came out today people would call Ripley a woke lesbian girl boss. And they would criticize how unrealistic it is that 7 men died but the woman didn't 😂
Ripley, Sarah Connor, Selene (Underworld), Hermione, Princess Leia, Katniss, Eowyn, Judy Hopps, OG Mulan, Wonder Woman, Raven, OG Laurie Strode, OG Trinity, Alice (Resident Evil), Furiosa, Alita.
These are just off the top of my head.
Ellen Riply in Alien wasn't even a female character, but a unisex character cast as a woman. Cameron added a bit of femaleness so kudos to him. But making every female character a clone of Ellen Ripley is both artistically lazy and ignores the vast spectrum of female personalities that might become caught up in a story.
It's always Ripley and Connor with incels
Buffy Summers. Often visibly frustrated or scared, but always kicks ass. She's snarky and quippy, she's a really good friend, and everyone loved her dress.
The title kind of implies that they are writing good male characters; they aren't. You have to understand/like people to create good characters, and they don't.
Mon Mothma was seriously amazing in Andor. She didnt get that much time, but you could easily see her struggles and sacrifices. How she was forced to kill a part of herself for good of others. She got away with it because Disney didnt have much faith in Andor so they left it alone. Andor had some really good chars in general
I wouldnt have mind Bo Katan becoming a central character in Mandalorian that much either. Honestly, she is an amazing character, just not how they wrote her in Mando season 3.
She was a horrible person, wanting to return her empire to the 'glorious days' where mandalorians subjugated other people, was high ranking member of a terrorist organization which we saw that they kidnapped women of a village to serve them and in the end decided to kill them and the villagers anyway for fun. She didnt even change sides for noble reasons.....but her journey from there would've been so amazing to watch. When Din Djarinn went for how great she was, I was like- Dude, if she were to backstab you to get darksaber, it would be very much in her character. You dont know shit about her
Especially love the line, "write them the way you would any other character". Absolute gold. Subscribed. When your channel blows up i can say i was in the first 💯. 😉
Appreciate it!
@@HeadCannon1624 There are people online who want great female characters which is based. Unfortunately, they often will support them if those characters are written, depicted, advertised and marketed in a way that is aligned with their anti-progressive/reactionary/anti-sjw/anti-woke/culture war bs tendencies. That is quite common on Twitter. I do get what your trying to say in this video, though. No beef with you or anything like that.🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
@@etabiansosin That has almost nothing to do with the video
To wit: Samantha Caine (Geena Davis' character) in the badly overlooked "The Long Kiss Goodnight" is another great female character with motivations, problems, and an arc.
You're forgetting one thing about the cause of this phenomenon: the insecurities and inflated ego of female executives at these studios. There's a reason every LucasArts protagonist is an idealized brunette Kathleen Kennedy stand in, and why SheHulk focused more on daily issues faced by women working corporate jobs rather than anything to do with the superpowers of the protagonist.
It's not the writers being obsessed with a cause or pushing a narrative, but top down pressure to please and self insert their corporate overlords in every major project.
It's also the writers in many cases. She-Hulk is because showrunner Jessica Gao wanted to punch back at the criticism before it happened and asked the female writers for their experiences to put into the show. She just didn't get much pushback from above. Ironically, it was the male previs supervisor that saved her job when she threatened to quit if Feige didn't let her put a baseball cap on a robot in the last episode. Feige told her they appreciate the work she'd done so far, and the previs supervisor suggested how they could incorporate the cap into the robot's design. Gao is the one that told the story like it was a quirky interaction.
@@bryanwoods3373ppl take She Hulk too serious and where is the source that Gao threatened to leave?
"being X is not the replacement for a character arc". Amen.
My favorite female character is Eowyn in the Lord of the Rings. Why, because she is not the best fighter, she is not the most fearless but she was heart and shows courage. When she fights the big boss she is clearly terrified but she still stands her ground. She does not win in a unbelievable way, she is overpowered by the big boss but she's able to win with help from another character (a male character). She does deliver a line "I am no man" which I'm fine with because it makes sense in the scene and it feels earned through her journey.
Weird, it's almost like people want characters where their gender is just one of many aspects, not the only thing they are!
Why are males then depicted as males first.
James bond (his sexism is a character trait, like most males)
Rambo
Rocky
Every character in game of thrones
All the cop movies
Everything that Involvs revange the wife
Rescue the wife
Go to War
Fight the rapised of the wife
Fight the kidnepper
Steal the money and go to a sexclub
Mary the woman
Be a father (last of us, walkimg dead)
Conquer the World (becouse men did that becouse women are not alowed)
The man that are chads
The menly men
Post Apocalypthic, women alweys become slaves, so we know what men would love to do but sociaty prevents it
This is just what i could think of the top of my head, becouse there is so much more
You are so blind to it becouse males are your defould you not evern see that there gender make 90% of there character.
I think struggle is the biggest problem for bad characters. If they struggle then succeed, people eat it up.
"When did these studios decided that strong women characters needed to be arrogant, narcissistic and disrespectful ?"
I don't know when, but it seems to me that their idea for a strong woman is a toxic man...
Way to go...
Buffy is one of the greatest female heroes ever. She has her slayer superpowers but they build her slowly to make her likeable but also deeply flawed. Korra starts off being arrogant and thinking she knows it all like the crap ones today but then she is brought back down to reality hard. All main characters should have obstacles that bring them down and help them grow. For the first few moments, Rey seems really interesting. She is a no one, a scavenger on a desert planet but then she can use a light sabre, fly the Falcon, use the force and is in fact royalty.
X-Men is a great example. This franchise has so many 3-dimensional strong female characters that it ran an all-woman team with no fanfare and no complaints (X-Men 2013-15). The recent movies barely feature most of them and insert a Strong Female Character (TM) that even Jennifer Lawrence isn't excited to play.
Tbh the execs should take at least 60% of the responsibility. The best example is She-Hulk. She's a lawyer, if they want to make a comedy show with her, the writers should at least know something about legal work, but no, they decide to not only hire writers knowing nothing about it, but also brag the writers knowing nothing about it.
You can pull out any Pre-cure character in current year and they're more well-written than Marvel.
It is hard to believe She-Hulk showrunners couldn't find anyone with knowledge of entertainment law... when they are writing the show at Disney Burbank studios. There must be a dozen such lawyers sitting in the next office. They literally share the water cooler. I guess it's another example of hubris from the producers, they know best.
Literally every woman from Arcane. Vi, Jinx, Mel, Sevika, and Caitlin are all so well done and are my personal favorites. But, I also want to through in an example from Disney that's more recent. I really enjoyed the woman characters from Encanto whether they are in the background like Pepa and Dolores or at the forefront like Mirabel and Isabella. They all are unique, interesting, flawed, enjoyable, and very human. I honestly hope we get more characters like these ones.
I hope that every studio hears this. So tired of these recent characters, male or female, being overly competent with no room to grow.
Buffy will always be my favorite female character.
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Cat in the Hat bit was gold 🤣
Extraction 2, the Iranian woman's character is one of the best most credible I've ever seen, she's extraordinary
This has been a problem for much longer. Back in the 90s, there was a virtual plague of "strong independent women" in movies and television, who were just kind of mean, because that's the only way the male writers could understand what it means to be strong and independent. I always thought to myself, if a man acted the way these "strong" women acted, everyone would think he was just being an asshole, or in the modern parlance, exemplifying toxic masculinity.
Due to a number of coincidences, we rewatched Batman & Robin the other day; it's kind of weird just how much Batgirl fits that description, with Barbara really overdoing it eery time Robin is around, but always with a stupidly cheery smile that does *NOT* fit the circumstances (I blame Schumacher).
In this moment, I realized that the word "asshole" is more inclusive and thus more progressive.
Very good video. I have to say I'm not sure when all this started happening because you can go waaay back in film history and find competent female characters. Actors such as Bette Davis, Katherine Hepburn, Joan Crawford, etc. didn't play weak characters on screen.
I think my favourite female character is probably Vin from the Mistborn book series by Brandon Sanderson.
I honestly dread that Hollywood or some other mob will get a hold of the adaption rights and turn her into a Rey or Amazonian galadriel.
I absolutely love the Boys and their "Girls get it done" spoof on all the current female tokenism instead of providing us with interesting characters that happen to be female (or poc or LGBT etc).
Bro the way spidergwen was written in across the spider verse was great.
If they removed any sign of weakness then she two would be hated.
Supergirl from the flash movie is my favorite supergirl for she felt like a real character.
Loathsome females
Mary Jane (Raimi Trilogy)
Cassie Lang
Scarlet Witch (Multiverse Of Madness)
It's cool how your logo perfectly overlays the pause/play button.
The reason is simple they cannot give female characters legitimate nuance or flaws otherwise they're called sexist
My question is why no one questioned how a child had a better performance in a space battle than the trained pilots of Naboo? Or how Luke was a better X wing pilot than every other trained rebel pilot.
Luke was always shown as flawed and naive in the first two movies. And got his ass handed to him in Empire. He required extensive training and mentoring. And he wasn't really shown to easily outclass other pilots either, he used to force to make a difficult shot *with the help of his mentor.*
Young Anakin stuff was kinda goofy, but the reasoning was that he was the strongest natural force user ever, and it was clearly established that he was a super talented pilot.
And people question and criticize that *ALL THE TIME.* The hate for that kid was the stuff of legends.
The actor was hated, not the character. So if Rey had pod raced or was noted to be a powerful natural force user it'd change your opinion of her?
@@coreymay918 People hated the character Anakin as portrayed in those movies.
I went into Force Awakens with positivity and hopefulness, having intentionally avoided all reviews and opinions about that movie.
As I sat there in the theater and watched Rey instantly pilot the Falcon better than Solo, I thought: well that's dumb but ok. But when I watched Rey best Ren in a lightsaber dual... I was immediately like wtf!? That was just story breakingly ridiculous, on all levels.
There were more issues, and things didn't get better from there in the following movies.
Yes, having explained and established Rey's abilities and how she has them better would have helped. Having her actually *need* and receive training *before* being able to kick all manner of ass, and instantly master fantastic Jedi abilities with absolutely no training or even knowledge that such abilities existed... would have helped. Her failing at things more at first rather than simply being awesome and everybody loves her right off the bat in basically everything she does, would have helped.
etc, etc....
I miss quality characters which also happen to be female, such as Sara Jane, Leela of the Sevateem, or the indomitable Ace from Doctors 4 & 7 respectively.
Full Metal B*tch Rita Vrataski (Emily Blunt) in Edge of Tomorrow. Made her likable, strong, grief stricken, and explained her character very well. She also sacrificed herself which always makes someone more appealing.
Danarys Targaryen, reason being is that through 6 seasons this character goes from an exile to being sold into slavery only to fight for the trust of various armies. She fights for her goal and has a support group to advise her along the way. When she is shown how cersi disrespects her and understands that to win at the game of thrones is to have power over all others. Her dragon attack of kings end was one of the coolest scenes of the whole series why because she knew if she backed down she was going to be killed anyway. She made the people suffer because the general morale landscape was rife with betrayal and deceit. The others in the cast should have realized she was only human and that she was only going to lead by example. Her support team sold her out and killed her anyway. Denarys was complex and loyal to the world that made her suffer.
Then Ultra Vegito the God Killer should be Dany's buddy because he's the same as her but somehow worse
Evelyn Salt. Another tragically overlooked movie. In the original script, IIRC, Tom Cruise was envisioned to be the lead. When they rewrote the script for Angelina Jolie, the changed quite a bit about the character so that her being a woman *does* make a difference, but not because "smash the hierarchy," but because her motivations would necessarily be different. This is a movie about character, about knowing who you are and knowing what you're willing to do.
I’ve watched a variety of shows and movies and read a variety of comic and manga, but I’ve never come across characters that are written to be perfect. Even characters who are initially portrayed as perfect are eventually shown to either have a flaw or two or just barely maintaining a deception of perfection. The closest types of characters that come to mind are the villains of a story. They aren’t shown much, but when they do make an appearance, things usually go according to plan. Everything works out for them until the last possible moment. That is, if they are thwarted. In actual fanfiction, more or less, you might find flawless characters, but I highly doubt it when it comes to something that’s meant to appeal to as many as possible.
sir u are WISE beyond your years!!! Well done and take my subscription...oh and I hope you go on to become a professor in a prestigious film school (or maybe better yet for you they show this video at all of them as "requirement viewing")
Probably because they don't know what "good" is.
And I mean that both in terms of quality and morality.
Great take on the girl boss movement and I agree!
Padme was kind of a bad example 😂 Dialogue and character development for her are pretty mediocre for the most part. I love Padme, but she's far from the best written female character
True, I didn’t necessarily mean that everyone on the list is perfect, just saying that audiences generally like them so it helps debunk the claims that the criticism is due to sexism
Well for me ahsoka is a mary
sue
@@kenechukwueze6217
You clearly haven’t watched The Clone Wars, then. That girl gets run through the wringer so many times it’s not even funny. There’s a reason she went from being relatively disliked to a fan favorite. She had an excellent character arc. She’s in danger of BECOMING a Mary Sue, but up through Rebels, she’s a good character. After that, I’ve largely lost interest in the new stuff in general.
Padme is good. People misunderstand her. And her dialogs were fine and fitting for the story. Honestly that prequels dialog complaint is just overreaction and so overused that it lost all meaning.
@@kenechukwueze6217uhm ok...😂
Also Black panther is filled with great female characters like shuri, Okoye, dora milaje, ramonda and Nakia
Shhh the haters will attack u
Alita : Battle Angel
My favourite female character is michonne fom the walking dead and I how when she uses a sword because it's definitely my weapon choice in a zombie apocalypse.
Even though she comes of as distant and not trusting of others in the first few seasons she later opens up and becomes a great asset to the team.
And recently, I loved Shuri from Wakanda forever. Dealing with grief and seeing her overcome it makes her like her more as a character.
Nah. I don't like the black strong female trope. Let it die. I rather see Iris West on CW the Flash or Bonnie Bennett done right.
@@suzygirl1843 how is michone a " black strong female"??? she's just a character who happens to be a woman who is black.thats how u write it....not" am a black woman blah blah blah
@@wambokodavid7109 Nah. Don't like roles like this
@@suzygirl1843I bet you got mad as soon as she popped on screen. She’s badass deal with it
@@fatit5217 I am black, Idiot. I just prefer roles like Iris West, Michonne is not an okay representation of me
Idk my favorite female character. I like lots of Disney Princesses, and characters like, Katniss Everdeen, Annabeth Chase, and Hermione Granger. I like too many characters. 😂
In Ford v. Ferrari, the most daring driver wasn't Shelby, or Miles. It was Ken Miles' wife. This is just getting stupid.
It is weird that men generally write better female characters than women in speculative fiction.
1:32 "is showing that that character is human"- honestly I feel like aliens have taken our forms and are experimenting on us
Here's a big issue, we're given as many or more boring ass male characters and people don't complain about them to the degree they do flat and lazy women characters. Some of the criticisms lodged at sexist fandoms are valid, women aren't given the same space to fail as men are. Also some of the "successes" you mention are flawed; Jyn Erso barely has a character arc and Arya becomes a Mary Sue once she's written by lesser authors so I'm not sure if they belong on the template next to Kim Wexler. Overall I think you have a point that creators need to be better at writing women but writing better women characters might start behind the scenes with more women creatives writing and directing shows and movies.
It's pretty simple: bad writers write bad characters. The She-Hulk writers said they had no idea how to write a legal show, when their main character is a lawyer. There's even a writers strike going on, because writers feel like they're not being paid enough. The studios should be paying their writers more to attract good talent instead of the underpaid hacks they have now.
If you ask me, it's all motivated by jealousy and self-loathing combined with the emotional stability of a 12-year-old and an already privileged lifestyle.
Great stuff! I'm subscribing, can't wait to see where you go from here.
favorite female character of all time is rough, so I'll just throw out a few here
From Star Wars Legends, Jaina Solo, Mara Jade Skywalker, Tahiri Veila, Vergere, Lumiya
Eowyn from Lord of the Rings
Rogue from the X-Men (among other books. also the main charcter in Carol Danvers's best plot line iykyk)
Charity from the Hardy Boys Case Files (yeah, this one's obscure, but she's an awesome femme fatale with a moral code of when to draw the line.
Samus Aran from the Metroid series (Other M isn't canon and you can't convince me otherwise)
Selene from Underworld
From Star Trek, Uhura (both TOS and the Kelvin movies) Crusher, Janeway, Torres, Loxwanna Troi
I could keep going, but I think you'll all get fed so I'll finish it off with Urza Scarlett from Fairy Tail
I'm going to go into the video game world and say my favorite main female is Aerith from Final Fantasy 7 Remake.
Here's an interesting one: I really liked watching Fleabag with Phoebe Waller-Bridge. She's funny and nasty and so relatable and crazy, she's horny and depressed, but also intelligent and trying to just be a good person in a world full of aholes. I liked the show and the character because she was a real person. Hyperbolic, yes and with cartoonish satire sometimes, but it felt like what real life sometimes feels like, weird and overhelming and random, and you're just an island floating in a sea of crazy trying not to be an ahole yourself.
But then they made her play a token girlboss. I'm not saying she can't play that role very well, I'm saying it's a shame they had to character-assassinate one of the greatest adventure heroes on screen of all time, arguably father to LAra Croft and Nathan Drake (who were also assissinated as of late), just to make it somewhat possible for her to have a chance to shine. I would have been fine if they gave her a standalone movie, but why do we have to diminish established characters
Liking some female characters doesn't disprove a double standard. Critiquing male characters on the same basis as female characters does. If you don't also complain that every characther played by Arnold Schwarzenegger is just Arnie playing himself and none of those vharachters have meaningful weaknesses then you are a hypocrite. Mostly the same for Harrison Ford, Bruce Willis, or Sylvester Stalone. Characterization in the _vast majority_ of action movies sucks, but there's only bitching about it when the character is female. That's the double standard.
There’s a huge difference tho. Those dudes are huge and shredded. Imagine the average woman and man shooting a machine gun one handed like Rambo. Lame and fake right? Now some buff women and men makes it a lot more believable. If it kinda makes sense then it can look good. Look at Domino from Deadpool. Or Ripley, or scarlet witch, or Merida from brave, or mikasa from aot, or all the girls in ATLA or the plethora of good, strong, and BELIEVABLE female protagonists.
@@fatit5217 Fundamental to writing is that a good writer challenges their character. Look at Predator, which is one that gets some hints of characterization but less from Arnie than most of the cast. Still it's a good example of how to ramp up the stakes to overmatch the character no matter how strong the character is. It's basically the script of a story about some teens going camping in the woods being tracked by a slasher, but you replace the hapless teens with heavily-armed 80s action movie operators so then you have to upgrade the slasher to an alien with advanced technology that overmatches them. Whatever a character's muscle mass doesn't change the need for the charachter to be challenged enough to strain and traumatize them. Other characters got some weaknesses but 80s action movies were _almost_ universallly garbage so none for Arnie as he just needs to be the personification of unfeeling masculinity to fit the 80s action archetype. So anyway, if the character isn't challenged enough to bring out their character, the writing is shit and you giving the writing a pass based on muscle mass is just declaring your bias openly.
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@@j.f.fisher5318 You keep saying there is a double standard where there is none because people won't blindly love every female character.
People make fun of Arnold's voice all the time
Carol does not count.
She's had one movie and many cameos that do not help her character.
One movie I think does a great job at this and very much worth the watch is Bandidas. Every single protagonist there is fun to watch and has their own little character arc. Or at least I think so. I would highly recommend watching (And if you need a video idea reviewing) it if you want a movie with likable protagonists, some of which happen to be women.
(I’m making a joke based on the term Strong characters that happen to be female.)
It mostly has to do with the fact that they're all giant Mary Sues that don't have to earn power and prestige. They're just awesome by default and if you don't like it, muh sexist!!!! WAAAAH!. You can't write a character that is just awesome by default! They have to suffer and grow like everyone else.
Say it with me, children:
THEY. DO. NOT. WANT. TO. MAKE. GOOD. MOVIES.
They want to make propaganda.
The message supercedes everything, including profitability.
Selene (Underworld ), Project Alice a bunch of the ladies in 'The Expanse' series
It's because their idea of a "good" female character is a super OP Mary Sue that's perfect and beloved by all from the get-go that can do everything on her own and she doesn't need anyone, especially no man, to save her because she's awesome on her own without even trying, and she doesn't need a love interest unless its another woman or a weak sissy boy.
Every female character in the Peaky Blinders is a complete badass.
You're right of course but what really got me to subscribe was the Cat In The Hat clip, god tier film.
Every female character in Arcane was amazing. Well every character was
3:39 Sorry brother, but that’s NEVER been how things worked. I don’t know where people and fan bases get such sense of entitlement, but it has always been the industry saying, “We make what we want. If you like it, good. If not, tough shit, because part/season 2 is coming in six months.”
The problem is that these people do not see women as characters, they see them as vehicles for political change. The thought process is that if you present women as being perfect, the women who watch it will be inspired to be better/perfect which is moronic, but that's what happens when you're in a ideology cult.
I liked Scarlet Witch. I found her an interesting character even though they didn’t stick to the comics
Supergirl from the Arrow verse.
Arrow is just bad.
Samus Aran says hello.
I love Avatar Korra, and Aloy from horizon zero dawn
I don't care about any of this stuff because I'm a grown ass adult. I stopped giving the slightest shit about star wars in the 80's. And i don't get involved or nostalgic about comics, TV shows or movies. Because again...actual fucking grown up
Theres one character that is ALWAYS forgotten about. Dale from the Flash Gordon film. She's what Louis Lane should be. Nancy Thompson from the original Nightmare on Elm Street too. She goes through the whole film just trying to survive and having her parents think she's crazy to the end where she formulates her plan, sets booby traps and goes after Freddy.
Star Wars: Saw the first new movie, She-Hulk: Saw Episode 1, Captain marvel: Liked the movie, couldn't stand the PR after it and never saw another movie promoting the actress. If you continue supporting the studio, you are part of the problem. I don't want to hear excuses, whining or complaining. That's already happening and I ain't got time as per my examples. Every one not making a living off/getting a kickback off of the absurdity has no room to go on the net and bitch about crappy movies and characters and losing money when they constantly support it.
Nausicaa (of the Valley of the Wind) is my personal favorite female MC--now there's what I would call tough! Showing how it's so easy to force change through war and violence, but also how doing so only gradually poisons the world both figuratively and literally in a mutually ensured destruction type scenario. Knowing this, she instead chooses the decidedly harder route of continually putting her own life on the line time and time again rather than recklessly letting spill the blood of her soldiers, her allies, her people, which might bring temporary relief but ultimately only further contribute to her world's problems. She fundamentally understands the synchronicity of all life, how ripple effects can be created, how to stem the poison by not accepting it into your own home, your own heart--and so doesn't back down nor completely fall to despair or jadedness or blind wrath as she is at several points tempted to across her crusade of peace. She's simply heroic.
(Please God don't let there ever be a Hollywood/Netflix adaptation! 😢 )
I fancy you shall go far young man. I fancy you shall.
I don’t hear too many people complaining about how good Arya Stark is but they damn well should be. She’s one of the most shoehorned, out of place, undeservedly skilled characters ever created. She has a decent arc in the first four seasons and then she magically becomes an unbeatable, super assassin Mary Sue.
I'd say that's an issue that isn't specific to Arya, so much as the overall decline in the writing quality of the show after the source material ran out. The last few seasons were atrocious on all fronts.
Arya in the books is far superior in her character growth.
i and many people hate arya stronk, she begins as a great character that they turned into a girl boss murderer with bs abilites that she did not earn
I wanna see people complain about all mighty male characters like John Wick or Dominic Torreto. Yet we never get these videos because that is what the audience wants. Doing that but with women kills the vibe, I guess.
I want female characters to be like the rogue class. Using tech to help win fights and not be a generic "the guy is an ex marine #1000"
Well said, great analytics
Sorry, it's goddamn 2023...by now it, should be a bannable offense on the entire internet to post at less than 1080. If you're going to time jump from 1999 at 360...I can't sit through this.
We may like them if they're not so predictably nasty and predictably invincible.
Okay I agree but what the hell is that background music😂
They rely on making the Men around them weaker and dumber too.
The Walking Dead Game sort of did this too. I like Clementine but you should see how weak all the adults are for her and how weak the boys are in Season 4.
Star Wars did this to Luke as we all know. Even the New Mario Movie made Peach overly competent and out of character.
Antigone is the strongest female character in literature IMO.
If people say that a lot, maybe you are talking too much about how much you hate female characters😅
It's a question I've asked for a long time, why do these female characters never have arcs? I finally realized it's because a character arc _earns_ the viewer's respect for said character. An idea that in the world of woke, is absolute heresy. Women _do not_ earn respect, they are _owed_ that respect at the outset. Thus, the eradication of arc, and rule of the flat and perfect Mary Sues.
It goes deeper than that. It’s the fundamental difference of “men must become, women just are”.
people don't like Claire from Jurassic World? I mean, I know she's annoying, but she's not terribly written. (edit) okay fair point, she is worse than annoying, and criminal negligence is a thing I hadn't thought about, probably because I was too busy swooning over Indiana Pratt, I mean Chris Pratt
My favorite is Beatrix Kiddo ❤ kill Bill
Pre-teen boys want to watch a guy character in the lead in a boy movie. I loved Star Wars as a kid, had the action figures. My parents put up Star Wars wallpaper, everything. If it starred Princess Leia and she acted exactly the same, would I have bought all those figures and been a huge fan of it all my life? Probably not. That is the uneasy truth.
I saw the third Star Wars in the movie theater and it was mayhem, 200 packed boys screaming their heads off like me. You know what was not there? Girls. They do not like sci fi fantasy movies. Never will.
Yeah, when I was barely a teen I snuck into Aliens and liked that movie. Ripley was a great character and the movie kicked butt. But did I ever love it like Star Wars? No. It is basic representation. Boys want to watch guys because then they dream of doing the things they see in the movie and want to be like them.
Now as an adult, I would probably say Aliens and Star Wars are both great movies and enjoy them equally NOW. But when I was a boy? I wanted to see Luke Skywalker and Han Solo kick butt. Not Princess Leia.
Holds up even now. They are about to release the Barbie movie. Now, if they made the whole film about Ken and Barbie was off to the side would little girls love it? No. Their parents might ask did you like it and they would maybe say yes if it were entertaining. But they would not LOVE it. They would not squeal and want to buy new dolls, posters and video games with that movie. Because it is supposed to be a girl movie for girls and they want it to star and be about Barbie. They are girls. It is not rocket science.
Ellen Ripley in Alien was amazing. And in the end of the Alien where she is in her underwear was s3xy. Natural beauty no nudity what so ever. Then in Aliens Ripley grows into a true badass. Then Sarah Connor in T2 rocking those sunglasses and holding that AR. God dam she's sexy asf and being a badass too. I miss those days where our women were strong women. Not today most of these so called women well today we can't even call them that either because that's not what they identify as. Expect you Jyn you were one in a million.
They say you write what you know. And they only know how to be terrible people, thus that's what their characters are like.
GRRM writes great characters of both sexes, Benioff & Weiss did and do not. That is all I have to say about that. [Not a fan of the changes made from the source material for House of the Dragon either, but at least the showrunners have some idea what direction they're heading and roughly where they're going to end up. 🤷♀]
Here’s an answer to that question: because they don’t have film advisors who see things the way they are like you 🫵. It honestly baffles me how simply these problems could be fixed, and yet they’re so blinded that they can’t tell a good female character, or straight up character, when they see one.
Additionally, how can a franchise like Star Wars strike gold in such recent projects with characters like Mon Mothma and Merrin, while butchering it with ones like Reva? It makes it so exhausting not knowing which one you’re gonna get when a new show comes out. I can only pray that the Ahsoka show with plenty of fantastic, fleshed-out female characters doesn’t do em dirty
I'm just over here praying to Dave Filoni that they don't mess up our girl Ahsoka
If KK and her Lucasfilm Story Group minions can do the kind of damage they did to Mando and Boba Fett under Jon Favreau's name, there's a high likelihood they will do the same to Ahsoka.
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The dread I have for this show 😖
@@Hylanvahr But Andor turned out great, so we'll see what Filoni can pull under their nose
Good summary
That's because I grew up in the Feminism movement. Have it drummed in my head every day for years and you'd probably think that way too. Call it WOKE if you want. I have no problem with my tainted view of things because I'm too old to care. But really, we didn't have social media back then so it's a bit shocking to see all these opinions on things that I have long ago made my mind up on. Even so I would challenge anyone today to try and prove me wrong. Especially since I was there. Everything has to be taken in context. It's just the way we come to our conclusions have changed. Maybe for the better.
Gen Eryso was kind of boring. There wasn’t much to her character