When I was a kid, I watched Schwantz rip it up on those Lucky Strike bikes…he's 1 of the reasons I ride sportbikes & think white wheels make you faster.
Careful when using percentages. A motorcycles under braking is a DYNAMIC system, not a static one. The amount of braking the rear tire has available is proportional to the amount of weight it has on it. Even when riding around on the street, in extreme braking situations on a performance motorcycle, the rear tire will barely be in contact with the road surface. As the normal force at the rear tire approaches zero, the amount of braking force available at the front approaches 100%.
This was a good and informative video. More of these technical videos about the proper way to initiate certain maneuvers on the racetrack would be great and much appreciated.
*I loved it so much I bought a Bike, RG500 Pepsi Suzuki Gamma 'C' Series, one of the last ever made, and met Kevin several times at Donington and Assen GP Events.*
Late, trail, smooth and hard braking technique, saves lives and wins races. Revin' Kevin 1993 GP World Champion. A badass on a RVG500...180HP on a 285 pound bike! Very few racers can push those bikes to the limits of traction and beyond. Tire warmers were still being ridiculed back then.
It helps transfer some weight downward and aft. It as much less to do with direction as you'll see riders dangle the same leg regardless of what direction the upcoming turn is. Also, if you listen to some of the riders, even they aren't in agreement of exactly why they do it. I don't think there's a direct correlation between the amount of leg dangling and lap times.
@Muzzy337 It depends on the bike and rider, I'm not too sure why Rossi does it, but when Stoner started doing it was from the Ducati, the front end is not too stable therefore it wobbles, take it off the pegs balances/stabilise the bike a little. It is also preparation into the corner as well i think.
@MINTYVIDEOS1 I only use the front brake, and you just brake hard before you lean the bike down and you brake less and less the more you lean your bike down. It's all about being smooth in your braking.
@jerkymoto. When folks speak of the 180-200hp(the 01 NSR was said to be close to 200hp) 500cc two strokes it seems like its not a crazy amount of power but people seem to forget what u said about the weight. 285lbs!! Holy shit! The bikes are 330lbs now so weight/HP wasnt far off. 2 strokes just don't have that top end to get em up to 210mph like the 4strokes do.
Great video! I've written a book and online course to teach trail braking to the average street rider. Your video here reinforces my theories and techniques. Best wishes!
lesser or no use of the rear brakes while breaking before entering the corner.. high speed + excessive rear breaks = fishtail + powerslide + high/low end..
Cus Rossi did it back in Jerez in '05 and beat Gibernau (he just did it cus it felt right)... then he kept doing it, and kept winning, then Capirossi, Melandri, Biaggi and Stoner started doing it, then just about everyone else :p
I club race my motorcycle and sticking the leg out makes no difference... there are 2 reasons why some riders stick their leg out... 1- they're used to doing it on dirt bikes so it feels natural to do it on any bike and 2 - so other riders around them have less room to pass them on the brakes... All race bikes turn in fast and change direction fast and sticking out a leg makes no difference... what you say is just one theory out of many which no MotoGP rider ever confirmed.
This front brake talk is hilarious. I hear Hardley Ableson riders claim that using the front brake will "send you over the bars." If you manage to endo that 700 lb lump of pig iron by using that tiny single-disk front brake without just locking up the front, I will be eternally impressed and personally fund your physics grant.
I have a friend who always says let the breaks control your speed not your fear. Breaking is in the rider, it depends of how comfortable he is where he is breaking. I hate breaking I normally go for a slide but I m ending up off road all the time.
I agree, but the traction control isn't as great as some people expect. You can't just lean it in and crack the throttle wide open. Watch Stoner exit a corner. But a 2 stroke with no traction control is a beast to ride
@MrMilan90 You beter ask for Stoner, Rossi doesn't use the rear brake and one of the secrets of Stoner to tame the Ducati was actually the use of the rear brake at the time he twisted the whrislt!!
@40joel I think traction control on a Motogp bike is probably so vastly tunable than anyone without tons of knowledge of the system would not get the results needed. I based the comment off what the riders say. They all seem to think its very difficult making much difference coming off a corner. Stoners technique is impressive . He is probably the best mid corner to exit rider in the world.
On a high speed breaking before the corner I use everything I have: Rear brake, front brake, Slipping clutch, air resistance and then smoothly trail brake up to the apex and then throttle again fuck yeah! :))
@MrMilan90 I know but I didn't say Stoner was the best braker but the best using rear brake and the gas exiting corners!!! Anyway in Laguna Seca Rossi did'nt brake properly because he come out from the track!!! Actually he had to release the brakes to overtake Stoner taking the "easy" way out!!! Sorry for my english....
MotoGP riders brake so hard that the rear tire is barely touching the tarmac so using the rear brake is not necessary... for a street rider when using both brakes the front brake does 90% of the braking and the rear does 10% of the braking.... In MotoGP the front does 99% of the braking so 1% is almost nothing... but some use the rear brake to pivot the bike around a corner (rear wheel spinning slower then the front steps the rear end out) and they use it to stop wheelies when accelerating.
@Muzzy337 Let me guess... 1)Because it's tiring to keep your legs in same position during the whole race. 2) A leg would work like gyroscope in case bike goes wobbling. 3)They try to kick each other's asses! But i'm not sure...
@sandroyzfr6 Don't worry, he's has a lot of development going on on that bike right now. Remember he had to get the Yamaha up to speed after leaving Honda also. It's just taking longer on the Ducati. He's still the man. Lol!
That motorcycle guy : rear brake is useless at high speeds.. the whole weight is in front after applying the break so what rear break can do.. Think about it
@blondboyharrison I'm saying he didn't win but that the Yamaha needed to be developed around him also. The Ducati in my opinion is just not where it should be in order to compete up front. You really thing that age has gotten to Rossi? Wow! I didn't think of that. I sure hope not. I think he still has a couple of championships left in him myself. I just wish he was back on that Honda. Lol! I've always ridden Honda's myself, that's why I say that. Lol!
Kevin Schwantz one time world champ - one finger braking Val Rossi 9 times world chump - four finger braking. If number of championships equals expertise I'll use four finger braking thanks. Four finger braking gives you power, control and FEEL no matter how good or bad the brakes are. One finger braking might work when you have $60,000 of front brake and a $2000 front tyre that will be lucky to last 160klms and braking in controlled, known and practiced circumstances but not for the real world. In the real world, on the street, always use more finger than you think you need so you have power, control and feel, and a reserve for the unexpected.
Don't forget the most effective technique; Grabbing your opponents front brake at 140MPH.
😆😆😆
There are people who did this.
@Max Damage The biggest crime about what he did is he is still allowed to race
The most effective technique ever
*Roman Feneti wants to know your location*
When I was a kid, I watched Schwantz rip it up on those Lucky Strike bikes…he's 1 of the reasons I ride sportbikes & think white wheels make you faster.
I LOVE this man. All his life he's come across as a mature/friendly/genuinely nice person
If Kevin Schwantz has an opinion on motorcycles or motorcycling racing you'd best be listening and taking notes.
actually it does mean you can teach, because you are good.
I didn't, since I used an insult at the end of the sentence, while I said that people who start argument with an insult are below iq.
@@MRSLAV can't believe that you watch MotoGP
Well put! I love the old clips of Schwantz on the brakes. Both tires squirm around and he still forces it up the inside. Some confidence!
I almost laughed when I saw "braking techniques with Schwantz" considering he is the latest braker ever.
Careful when using percentages. A motorcycles under braking is a DYNAMIC system, not a static one. The amount of braking the rear tire has available is proportional to the amount of weight it has on it. Even when riding around on the street, in extreme braking situations on a performance motorcycle, the rear tire will barely be in contact with the road surface. As the normal force at the rear tire approaches zero, the amount of braking force available at the front approaches 100%.
opmike343: I only use rear break at corners or at low speed.. otherwise i don't even bother to touch with rear break.. it's just distraction.. 😂
way to go kevin schwantz... two stroke race legend!
Kevin Schwantz 34 forever in my childhood memories
This was a good and informative video. More of these technical videos about the proper way to initiate certain maneuvers on the racetrack would be great and much appreciated.
It's excellent to hear someone with deep experience speaking of a concept you vaguely understand. Get to dive into a brand new world.
I remember watching those epic on track battles between Schwantz and Rainey.
0:35 1:39 RIP SIMONCELLI 58
Me & my dad loved watching him back in the day.
*I loved it so much I bought a Bike, RG500 Pepsi Suzuki Gamma 'C' Series, one of the last ever made, and met Kevin several times at Donington and Assen GP Events.*
Late, trail, smooth and hard braking technique, saves lives and wins races. Revin' Kevin 1993 GP World Champion. A badass on a RVG500...180HP on a 285 pound bike! Very few racers can push those bikes to the limits of traction and beyond. Tire warmers were still being ridiculed back then.
It helps transfer some weight downward and aft. It as much less to do with direction as you'll see riders dangle the same leg regardless of what direction the upcoming turn is. Also, if you listen to some of the riders, even they aren't in agreement of exactly why they do it. I don't think there's a direct correlation between the amount of leg dangling and lap times.
Dangling the other foot? I wanna see that haha
@Muzzy337 It depends on the bike and rider, I'm not too sure why Rossi does it, but when Stoner started doing it was from the Ducati, the front end is not too stable therefore it wobbles, take it off the pegs balances/stabilise the bike a little. It is also preparation into the corner as well i think.
Listening to Kevin is a master class.
Kevin was one of my favorite riders awesome to watch him ride
@MINTYVIDEOS1 I only use the front brake, and you just brake hard before you lean the bike down and you brake less and less the more you lean your bike down. It's all about being smooth in your braking.
More insider videos please! They're just aren't enough behind the scenes of MotoGP! =)
We want more videos like this!!!!
Lets not forget a slight bit more air resistance like sitting up into the turn as well as the stabalizing effect as mentioned with a tight rope walker
@jumboshrimp2006 totally agreed this is what motogp should post more of!
What a legend
Sliding Master ❤💛💚
When you brake, leave it to last second and then count to 3
That is a real lesson.
schwantz's braking technique was leave it to the last second... and then another millisecond :)
@jerkymoto. When folks speak of the 180-200hp(the 01 NSR was said to be close to 200hp) 500cc two strokes it seems like its not a crazy amount of power but people seem to forget what u said about the weight. 285lbs!! Holy shit! The bikes are 330lbs now so weight/HP wasnt far off. 2 strokes just don't have that top end to get em up to 210mph like the 4strokes do.
They should've shown Kev's action againts Wayne in Hockenheim...imho
And the effect that move had on the Assen race the next month.
Plus the move at Donnington.
Great video! I've written a book and online course to teach trail braking to the average street rider. Your video here reinforces my theories and techniques. Best wishes!
*Good advise Kevin*
58 always remember
i realy miss him
@@charisjunianto me to
@@charisjunianto You know... who i really miss..Nicky Hayden. This talent was lost.
Words of wisdom from the master braker....
@Cunelito They still brake under leanangle entering the corner, but they are not full on the brakes obviously.
lesser or no use of the rear brakes while breaking before entering the corner..
high speed + excessive rear breaks = fishtail + powerslide + high/low end..
Cus Rossi did it back in Jerez in '05 and beat Gibernau (he just did it cus it felt right)... then he kept doing it, and kept winning, then Capirossi, Melandri, Biaggi and Stoner started doing it, then just about everyone else :p
We need more videos like this! thumb up if you agree!
I gave you your first thumb up on this, it took you 11 years to get it
legend schwantz!!
I club race my motorcycle and sticking the leg out makes no difference... there are 2 reasons why some riders stick their leg out... 1- they're used to doing it on dirt bikes so it feels natural to do it on any bike and 2 - so other riders around them have less room to pass them on the brakes... All race bikes turn in fast and change direction fast and sticking out a leg makes no difference... what you say is just one theory out of many which no MotoGP rider ever confirmed.
Legend
Kevin and his Lucky Strike mate Barros
... All you need to know about throwing the anchor...
This front brake talk is hilarious.
I hear Hardley Ableson riders claim that using the front brake will "send you over the bars." If you manage to endo that 700 lb lump of pig iron by using that tiny single-disk front brake without just locking up the front, I will be eternally impressed and personally fund your physics grant.
58 RIP .
More insider videos please!
EARLY AND SMOOTH with the brakes.
Very sticky slicks help too ;)
I have a friend who always says let the breaks control your speed not your fear. Breaking is in the rider, it depends of how comfortable he is where he is breaking. I hate breaking I normally go for a slide but I m ending up off road all the time.
Trust me breaking make you faster
I agree, but the traction control isn't as great as some people expect. You can't just lean it in and crack the throttle wide open. Watch Stoner exit a corner. But a 2 stroke with no traction control is a beast to ride
The legend speaks.
more videos like this !
@MrMilan90 You beter ask for Stoner, Rossi doesn't use the rear brake and one of the secrets of Stoner to tame the Ducati was actually the use of the rear brake at the time he twisted the whrislt!!
@40joel I think traction control on a Motogp bike is probably so vastly tunable than anyone without tons of knowledge of the system would not get the results needed. I based the comment off what the riders say. They all seem to think its very difficult making much difference coming off a corner. Stoners technique is impressive . He is probably the best mid corner to exit rider in the world.
On a high speed breaking before the corner I use everything I have:
Rear brake, front brake, Slipping clutch, air resistance and then smoothly trail brake up to the apex and then throttle again fuck yeah! :))
Kevin is The best ever❤️
1:38 Suuuuuppperrrrrr Siiiiiiiiiicccc!!!
@MrMilan90 I know but I didn't say Stoner was the best braker but the best using rear brake and the gas exiting corners!!! Anyway in Laguna Seca Rossi did'nt brake properly because he come out from the track!!! Actually he had to release the brakes to overtake Stoner taking the "easy" way out!!! Sorry for my english....
Legends!
1:15 to 1:25 very nice filmation :)
whats the race at the end of the video with kevin going up the inside?
Stoprak54 the Rise of the Champion El Turco☝️
Wow, MotoGP video from 10 years ago
how often do you see everyone pull their right foot off? rear doesn't really do much....
It’s great for bringing the front wheel down, but not much else.
Kevin schwantz legend
I use to work for Rossi Valentino's uncle in San Rafael Ca.
Please Kevin, ride 2012 again for Suzuki and bring the the Rizla to the win!
Remember him talking about radial tires ?? There's a lesson for ya !!
never used the rear . awesome ...
Imma try this on my Turbo Hayabusa , I’ve only been riding for a month wish me luck!
Nice vedio
Kevin and Valentino o and Fabio my favorite drivers
MotoGP riders brake so hard that the rear tire is barely touching the tarmac so using the rear brake is not necessary... for a street rider when using both brakes the front brake does 90% of the braking and the rear does 10% of the braking.... In MotoGP the front does 99% of the braking so 1% is almost nothing... but some use the rear brake to pivot the bike around a corner (rear wheel spinning slower then the front steps the rear end out) and they use it to stop wheelies when accelerating.
He used 1 finger cause he was blipping the throttle while downshifting that is very good for the smoother transision
lol..That about covers it, very well put..
Braking isn't merely to reduce the speed of the bike.. Braking is actually meant to make a rider come out of a corner at the optimum speed !!
Cool man!
I don't know which one is better; your comment or your username... I'd like to see the 2-smokes rule the tracks again as well.
@MINTYVIDEOS1 These guys have been riding since they were kids, they aren't jamming the front brakes
34 legend
Fantastic racer. Whatever he says goes
the legend!
@Muzzy337 Let me guess... 1)Because it's tiring to keep your legs in same position during the whole race. 2) A leg would work like gyroscope in case bike goes wobbling. 3)They try to kick each other's asses! But i'm not sure...
@sandroyzfr6 Don't worry, he's has a lot of development going on on that bike right now. Remember he had to get the Yamaha up to speed after leaving Honda also. It's just taking longer on the Ducati. He's still the man. Lol!
@MrMilan90 Indeed :D the braking master :D
I was always taught if you have 4 fingers on the lever you have no fingers on the bar
supermoto loves the rear brake
I can't agree that using the front break only is the same as combining the front+rear breaking, but i don't ride moto GP so what do i know.
That motorcycle guy : rear brake is useless at high speeds.. the whole weight is in front after applying the break so what rear break can do.. Think about it
pulling the clutch helps the power to be more smooth. and lesser wear of Tyre and less heated engine.
@MINTYVIDEOS1 PLEASE tell me your joking!? Your saying when you used the front brake you crashed, so now you never use your front brake!?
Missing the two strokes era... The smell, the sound of it, the racing.
@blondboyharrison I'm saying he didn't win but that the Yamaha needed to be developed around him also. The Ducati in my opinion is just not where it should be in order to compete up front. You really thing that age has gotten to Rossi? Wow! I didn't think of that. I sure hope not. I think he still has a couple of championships left in him myself. I just wish he was back on that Honda. Lol! I've always ridden Honda's myself, that's why I say that. Lol!
Kevin Schwantz one time world champ - one finger braking
Val Rossi 9 times world chump - four finger braking.
If number of championships equals expertise I'll use four finger braking thanks.
Four finger braking gives you power, control and FEEL no matter how good or bad the brakes are. One finger braking might work when you have $60,000 of front brake and a $2000 front tyre that will be lucky to last 160klms and braking in controlled, known and practiced circumstances but not for the real world. In the real world, on the street, always use more finger than you think you need so you have power, control and feel, and a reserve for the unexpected.
Kevin Schwantz
懐かしい nice
GREAT
Super
Now i know how to use brake
@Blackops272 To stabilize the motorcycle
@rylanford lol.. that ultimately means u DO have to reduce speed ...lol