Chowder X Panini: A Double Standard
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you ever see a cartoon called Pucca before? Its the concept of this chowder topic vid, but stretched out for the whole show
1. Please do Hey Arnold Next
2. Doug from Channel Awesome made a joke about The Skunk on his Space Jam Review. They cancelled Peppe le peu but kept Pennywise the child murderer and the Clockwork Orange "Rappers" in the background
damn, I really wanted to do this but they charge for the total 3 year plan up front
You made a ad about how to get rid of ads
Now THAT'S a double standard
Look I ain't gonna say this wasn't sketchy at the time. Buuuuuut I kinda like yandere types, so this never gets old for me.
It gets worse when you realize where she got this behavior from. Which is her teacher who constantly does the same thing to Schnitzel. Its a young abuser learning from an older one.
But at least with Endive and Shnitzel it's actually funny and not overused. Also Endive has other things to do besides her crush.
The worst part is they both got what they wanted at the end
@@valentinkambushev4968 I would say its a bit worse with Endive actually, Yes they are both wrong for their actions. But Panini is a little girl, she is obsessive, stalking, controlling, etc. But i dont think she fully knows the full depth of the words she is saying, its kinda like she only knows as such through what she observed. Now compare that to Endive who is a grown adult woman who should know full well what she is saying and doing, and she is in a higher position of power, and is doing it with someone (i think) younger than her. It just gets a lot more creepier, in my opinion.
@@darryljack6612 you do make a good point. However I am willing to forget it because there are like one or two episodes where Endive's crush is the main plot, while in the others it's only mentioned once. Also I think they are on the same age.
@@darryljack6612 Remember the episode where Schnitzel quits from Mung's and go work with Endive.
She had a literal skeleton on her closet of some other guy she loved. Crazy runs on the business
Being told that you couldn’t have been assaulted because “you just wanted it” is the worst thing to hear after you’ve been hurt no matter what your gender/orientation.
Agreed, no victim should ever have to hear that
i usually don't comment on videos but as someone who went through sexual manipulation and coercion this statement really hits hard since it's my own mom who keeps saying it :' )
@@jasky1234 if you've been "manipulated" into something like that then I question your will power. How old are you exactly?
@@IllMatic97 hi! i was 19 at the time, and my ex was a...rich bastard lol (im scared to say more. he has a team of lawyers bc of his dad. i've accepted i'll never get justice haha)
he made it out that the only way to repay and make his gifts to me worth it was having intercourse with him. he wouldn't stop begging until i said yes. it happened more than once.
nothing like victim blaming to perpetrate violence
It's shocking how much people misunderstand Pepe Le Pew. The cat runs from him because he smells bad. Not because she's scared of him. In fact, she sometimes runs right into his arms happily, but then realizes how stinky he is and runs for dear life. She's not afraid of being harassed; he just smells unGodly awful
Didn't she go crazy for him one time when he sprayed cologne that hid his smell?
@@MrGamer1992 ya he got nervous sn ran himself 😂
@@biohazardlnfS lmfao dude that might’ve been his best episode
Thank you for clearing that up
But that doesn't really change anything, right? He's still doing things that she doesn't want him to do.
What so many people never seem to understand is that sexual abuse is genderless. It doesn't matter if the aggressor is a man, woman, trans, nonbinary, what have you; abuse is abuse, no how you try to paint over it.
Well, men can't get pregnant.
@@krunkle5136 what
@@nocturnalpisces1299 nothing.
No it's not
@@jennym286 explain then how and why it's not.
Even when I was a kid, I thought Panini's extreme thirstiness was unnerving af. I actually kinda preferred when she wasn't simping over Chowder because then her headstrong and crazy personality got the chance to shine through in other ways.
Jesus I thought I was alone on this. Glad to know I wasn't alone in this. Even with ADHD, not understanding social cues I understood that this girl was unhinged
yeah it would've been better if they made Panini take the role of Chowder's rival who secretly likes him but she cares more about learning to cook just like Chowder so her personality could actually shine through and Chowder can still dislike her for working for his Boss' rival .... this kind of dynamic would've erased the creepy behavior plus there could be a lot of good gags and shipping moments that could amount from this
Yeah, I feel the same with sonic and amy
@@justalula7151 like a less stalkerish version of Helga Pataki! It would be cute for her to be a (non abusive) tsundere to chowder rather than a yandere
And she was kind of... one dimensional in that sense. She was a lot more fun when she wasn’t hyper fixated in Chowder
In "My life as a teenage robot", that nerd guy was seen as "aww misunderstood nice guy" meanwhile he was stalking and being invasive to Jenny. Meanwhile with Panini, she's seen as "funny and quirky" for sometimes even assaulting Chowder. Just the whole romanticization of unwanted advances is creepy in any media, let alone media for *children*
Sheldon was worse for my money. He's older than Panini, and far as I recall Panini's behaviour never dipped over into her breaking into Chowder's home or trying to mind rape him into loving her. Sheldon tried to reprogram Jenny into loving him, and broke into her house to steal her blueprints. From her perspective he basically stole her nudes.
Im a guy and I NEVER felt they way about him, specially cause he seemed so INFURIATINGLY oblivious to how much grieve he was causing Jenny, the diference was if I recal correctly he was somewhat tuned down & allowed a diferent dynamic with Jenny & her friends as the show went on, (as opposed to Pannini) also he was not rewarded at the end by getting together with Jenny
@@alejandrocervantes3624 Exactly, I never found it cute or endearing, more cringeworthy and disturbing. Thankfully the writers DID tone down Sheldon's creeper tendencies in later episodes, but it never truly went away.
If I had my way Sheldon would have outgrown that behaviour after his debut episode. That was the one time I found his stalking sympathetic and he realised Jenny didn't feel the same way.
@@PlanetZoidstar Ooo don't forget the time he tried to sabotage two of Jenny's dates out of pure jealousy. They may not have been Jenny's ideal soulmates but him trying to ruin them out of self-entitlement was just gross.
@@EddyA-sw5ox The Kenny/X-K9 episode really made me hate Sheldon.
Panini is creepy AF, but I can't get enough of Chowder's line: "I'M NOT YOUR BOYFRIEND!!!"
Serves her right for wanting to hit him with a Piko-Piko Hammer!
I'm your 700th like 😁♥️
And I’m my own 700 divided by 7th like
That’s why I don’t like her
I love Chowder man he's the best character
The Sad thing is, they could have made the Ship wholesome if they made it about Panini Constantly making a fool of herself to get Chowders attention.
That's something Both Girls and Boys can do for each other, and it's quirky and funny without being creepy.
This just comes off as Annoying, and would have been banned off television if the roles were reversed.
Also if he was more oblivious to her crush (obsession) and was seen genuinely enjoying being in her presence instead of screaming in terror the moment he sees her. If they showed her as you said being clumsy and more secretly obsessed and their status was good friends then it would leave many to think “they are likely to end up together as adults and I am all for it.”
Yandere fans: **laughs**
you know what let's talk about it. kid shows (especially kid cartoons) get away with mess like this because it's "for kids" and people don't take media made "for kids" seriously.
It's arguably worse if it's, "for kids" because shows for kids are going to be teaching younger generations what's right and what's wrong. Children's media is one of the most important types of media, and it can be detrimental if it's screwed up to this degree
Except they forget that kids actually do take it seriously, because they don't have any romantic experience. So they just absorb what they see on TV in cartoons and repeat it
I remember my female classmates when we were 11/12 years old - when they had a crush on this guy from other class they followed him home everyday, took pictures of him, found some of his personal info and tried to talk to his little brother. And also laughed and insulted his mom for some reason. And the worst thing is that not only almost no one thought it's wrong, people got dragged into it and helped them with the stalking, taking pictures etc.
Btw I love your content and the points you make in your videos. Parents complain that video games makes children violent but apparently cartoons teaching that lying or being a stalker is ok is fine lmao 💀
That mindset is what got those weird pregnant things going around
"Wayside" is one of the worst examples. It had the girl punching the boy with a cartoonishly enlarged fist as a recurring gag. The worst part is, when the boy accidentally pulled her ponytail (which was sort of the result of another girl teasing them) he got called out and punished.
“I’m not your boyfriend!” will forever be the most iconic quote in Chowder. But “Radda radda radda” is even more iconic.
Radda radda?
@@zacharyirizarry8589 Woah, you can’t say that on RUclips.
@@zacharyirizarry8589 damn man
I like how the second sentence contradicts the first.
“Care to give a free sample to a pretty lady?”
“Sure, you know one?”
There was actually an episode where chowder meets a girl named marmalade. She was in the show for just that episode but she is INFINITELY a better love interest than panini.
Explain
@@Illogical_Tales Marmelade literally just met Chowder in that one episode (while he was running away from Panini) and I guess they became instant friends over some things they had in common. The very idea of Chowder talking and hanging out with another girl made Panini jealous even though Chowder & Marmelade were just friends, new acquaintances.
The pigfrog girl
I mean, she did harass the goat boy
Panini x Chowder FTW
Yandere supremacy.
I never considered Panini to be reasonable or normal, even when I was a kid. I always just laughed and yelled “Run you short purple asshole, RUN!”
Literally! 😂
I used to ship them hard as a kid but nowadays I find it a little weird, bitch was literally a yandere
@@SpongeyBubby I can think of another female character from another CN show who fits that category: Berry from FHFIF. Even though she only appeared in two episodes, she was pretty similar to Panini, having an obsessive crush on Bloo and doing everything she could to have him all to herself. One of the differences was that, unlike Chowder, Bloo was blissfully clueless to how SERIOUS Berry was about her obsession with him.
@@sarahsims6164 It had been a long-ass time since I watched Foster's. I could not remember Berry right off the bat, but then I looked her up and one second of looking at her design, the memories flooded back like a fucking dam had broken. Holy shit!
Yet people on RUclips are trying to convince you that it normalizes sexual assault on men. Super weird, imo
I imagine Panini learned that shit from Endive. Since Endive has a very similar dynamic with Schnitzel. In the Schnitzel Quits episode she full on kidnaps him and tries to force him to marry her. And everyone treats it like the threat that it is and they try to save him. Meanwhile Panini does it and we’re suppose to laugh. That is blatant Double Standards. And even then Schnitzel still married Endive by the end of the show. I love Chowder it is a part of my childhood but seriously WHAT THE FUCK.
Schnitzel had it worse, there were many episodes when women were forcing on him. The was a lot nods that Schnitzel was 11/10 in that universe.
@@remigiuszrutkowski9527 what do you mean in that universe? He’s pure sex appeal in any universe
You don't really sound like you love it
@@anonymouslucario285 You can love something and still point out flaws about it.
@@anonymouslucario285 , I’m the biggest One Piece fan of all time, and I still don’t like certain arcs like Enies Lobby and Water 7, so yes you can still like a series and critiquing why those arcs in the story doesn’t work or belong in the stories ongoing long running narrative.
Chowder would've been better off with that friendly lip balm girl, they just became friends right away and seemed to have fun together. Panini was Tootie from Fairly OddParents, but much worse.
I never liked that Dan Harman shipped Tootie with Timmy when they got older. It would've been better to give her a better coping mechanism than latching onto Timmy
Weirdly enough, Panini seemed really chill about her liking Chowder in the episode she was introduced. It came off more as a lovey dovey crush than a forceful ordeal that it became episodes later.
Though, quite frankly, Chowder in general was relatively chill in the early eps.
But they decided to go with the gag that she likes paninis best friend
Same, I wish they would’ve brought her back to hang out with Chowder, heck it be interesting if they just replace Panini with her like imagine the Christmas special or any episode with no Panini just lip balm girl(I wish I remembered her name).
2000s cartoons are always littered with the broken dreams of salty shippers.
Even when I was a young teenager, I thought Panini was CREEPY AS FUCK. Her thirstiness wasn't cute, it was creepy. And Chowder was 100% not in any way shape or form interested. And it was even worse that the rest of Marzipan City thought it was adorable! If Chowder was the one being a creepy stalker towards Panini, I doubt the townspeople would have been as willing to think it's cute. Double standards aren't cute, I feel the same about Helga from Hey Arnold. She was creepy as fuck.
I did not see hey Arnold but I saw a clip where helga had a shrine to Arnold’s head which is an example of how creepy this woman force men thing is and how toxic the dynamic in chowder is.
Maybe they should put some flashbacks or any excuses to make me like this "born to be love interest" character
Let’s not forget Marmalade! Y’know, that sweet girl Chowder actually liked being around (in a friend capacity) that made Panini go even crazier than usual. Like, imagine if it was the other way around. A girl meets a guy and they become friends, only for this obsessive stalker boy to come say “No, you can’t hang out with him.”
Good Ol' Marmalade
Funny enough, that’s actually the plot of The Kissing Booth 😂
@@tonybippitykaye I mean, does the joke really work if Noah and the girl were more than just friends?
Had my ass slapped or grabbed a couple times in highschool. Always felt kind of weird, and like, other people saw it happen most of the time, but I was just told "It was just a joke man come on." Eventually one or two girls got kind of... well, Panini-ish, but again "it was just a joke, live with it and move on." I'm not saying it was some grand, life-changing tragedy, but like it was weird and uncomfortable. But as a dude growing up you're still kind of told it doesn't matter if it happens to you because it's not "real" for you. Unless it's from like, another guy two or three times your age.
uugh yeaah is so weird, im so sorry you had to go through that man :[
It’s awful that that happened to you , hope you are in a better environment now. But yeah it’s awful when that stuff happens to anyone, not just women.
I seen a crazy b**** therapist lady say that to a boy that got molested
@@A-TALKING-TOASTER that person doesnt need to be a therapist.....youre there to help people not f*ck them up more jeez.....hearing something like that from a therapist is so much more damaging to hear.....
my classmates are one of those people
"This wasn't a relationship. This was a joke. And I don't hear anyone laughing."
That's...that sums this up perfectly.
😤😤😤😮💨😮💨😮💨Same HERE😒😒😒😒😒😒"
ur so sensitive
What joke all I see was a ending and I’m happy with it
I mean, I found it amusing. Actually still do. I enjoyed how psycho and manipulative panini was.
I also don't see a problem with the family guy jokes involving Quagmire.
Nor do I see a problem with Pepe lepew.
I recognize that these are characters and bits that revolve around stalking, domestic abuse, unwanted advance and so on, but so what? Joking about taboo things is par for the course when it comes to comedy.
@@CatacombD Finally, someone with a fucking brain. I swear man, these people can kinda get sensitive over stuff that isn't even real. (In cartoons, not irl)
"And if you want an actual good version of this relationship, go watch " 'Hey Arnold!'." That was such a good note to end on. If Panini had been written a bit more like Helga, even just a tiny bit, then her character would have been exponentially more bearable than she turned out. Yeah, Helga's obsession with Arnold was at times creepy and unnerving (to the point where it's taken to dark extremes in Robot Chicken sketches like everything else), but Helga never tried to force herself on Arnold. The closest she came to doing that was in the first movie where she confesses to him and kisses him. Helga may have bullied Arnold to mask how she felt about him, but Arnold could still tell that she was a good person deep down. This mainly shines through in the way she interacts with people other than Arnold; especially Phoebe. And honestly, I think that's a major contributing factor to Panini's downfall as a character.
She interacted with so few characters other than Chowder. She's either attached to Endive, stalking Chowder, begrudgingly spending time with Gorgonzola only because Chowder is currently with him at the moment, or hanging with Ceviche; a.k.a. the boy who actually likes her but whom she constantly shoots down. Because Panini's obsession with Chowder was her defining character trait, she basically didn't have much of a life outside of him. And it doesn't help that the show is told almost entirely from Chowder's perspective, even in episodes that aren't about him specifically. If Panini had an actual social life and more friends, and we were able to see her interact with them, maybe her character would have been fleshed out more.
Of course, in my opinion, this would have only worked if she had lost interest in Chowder, but she was still interested in being friends with him like she was at the end of her first appearance in "Chowder's Girlfriend." Had Panini been written as Chowder's friend, with the two of them having a playful back and forth dynamic like you would expect to see between friends in cartoons, and if she had a life outside of him with some stories and episodes being dedicated to what she was doing, then I guarantee her character would have been much better off. And if they had to entertain the notion of shipping during the show, they could have made it so that Panini and Ceviche tried dating for a while (they'd have to fix Ceviche a bit as well), or they could have made Chowder and Panini grow closer in a healthier way than the whole "It's destiny, so you can't fight it" storyline we got in the finale.
Lastly: FUCK DOUBLE STANDARDS! NO MEANS NO!
I believe Chowder did see Panini as a friend though.
Also Shreik from CatDog had a unhealthy love interest on Dog as she is part of the greasers
@@NathanielCanty-wp7fp Yeah...she didn't hassle Dog too much, but she would gladly join in on beating up Cat.
"And living inside a giant bong"
That one line has completely reshapen how i saw chowder as a kid. And it makes everything make so much more sense. Didnt like it as a kid, but now i feel i need to give it a second chance lol
There are even smoke rings that come out of it with sound effects
Bruh, as a woman myself it's infuriating how girls/women characters get a free pass if they're hella creepy in their attachment to their crush. But if a boy/man behaved in the same way, fans would be SCREAMING to boycott the show and cry at the writers, asking them how dare they write such an awful character. This is one of the reasons I can't stand Marinette in Miraculous, her yandere behavior is always just laughed off as her being "quirky" or even worse, encouraged. Men can be sexually harrassed too, no matter how much our society tells us otherwise.
Right? It's harder for a woman to full blown rape a man (not impossible, but definitely less common/more difficult) but it's like people forget that sexual harassment doesn't JUST harm you because you are afraid it will end in a rape. If I get my boobs squeezed by some rando I will be upset that my boobs were squeezed, even if for whatever reason I know it's not going to escalate further. The harassment is it's own bad. But since most girls can't physically overpower most men, people dont see the issue with them sexually harassing them.
Same! Marinette went from a strange fan to a creepy stalker and now I really don’t like her I liked her better in season 1 and 2 since her stalkerish traits weren’t as prominent
@@cloudyrain6057 yeah at this point I'd tell Adrien to RUN and never look back. She shouldn't be rewarded for her behavior.
@@gigismith8133 I mean, that's the reason why most cases of female r*pists are child predators. Since most of the time they can't physically coerce a full grown man (unless they use threats and blackmail to make it "consensual"). Plus, it is (unfortunately) easier to coerce s child
@@gigismith8133That's a good take
This actually happened in iCarly too, Sam constantly physically abused Freddie when they dated, forced him to smuggle ham in his pants, and locked herself in a mental hospital because she thought she was insane for liking him, it’s really awful. Also, in Miraculous Ladybug too, Marinette stalked Adrien so badly that she has his entire private daily schedule, broke into his house and sniffed his pillow, and would kiss a wax statue of him.
Never saw ML, but did they seriously animate that?
I do agree that Sam&Freddy relationship wasn’t the best. Even before they started dating in the show. However, I disagree with Marinette staking Adrien badly. The reason she has his schedule is because she’s the class representative and he is very busy with piano, fencing, modeling and Chinese lessons. As for the wax figure scene, it definitely is cringe but the full context was her role playing to what she believed was a wax sculpture to help her get over her nerves. When it was really him and she was really embarrassed when he revealed himself. The pillow sniff is bad, but her main goal was just to leave a gift (which he does like&wear) after being denied by his strict father’s assistant.
@@dexholderred2469 damn. She’s REALLY into him, it seems. Dangerously so.
Now I remember why I never liked the Sam and Freddie ship
@@dexholderred2469 None of these justify her being such a stalker and there's more stuff too, she also tried to climb over a wall to watch over Adrien when he was in that car with Lila, I wish that fireman that came taught a lesson that stalking is bad but he helped her climb over to watch Adrien. She abandoned her friends to dress up as some stupid looking biker guy to sneak in Adrien's party. Chat Noir puts his trust in her and she tells Alya her identity even though she's been akumatized before and had her superhero identity was revealed to Hawk Moth, and she still won't let Chloe be Queen Bee for some reason. She also STOLE KAGAMI'S PHONE to talk crap about her to her friend because Kagami was into Adrien!
As a woman biologically myself, it’s a standard like this I can't stand. If women are creepy, it's 'endearing' and 'quirky'. But if it were a man? The show would've been cancelled immediately.
Edit: To everyone a little peeved I used "biologically", I identify as Non-Binary, so I don't call myself a man or a woman. I was just born in a woman's body. ^w^ Sorry for any confusion!
Did a man or woman create this show?
@@ManiyaVinas does it matter? If women made the show they see this behavior as completely acceptable and should even be encouraged.
If men made the show it's because they've been indoctrinated to see no problem with by society
@@tiredman99 Don’t know which is worse, but still curious who made the show.
@@ManiyaVinas you do realize this is a group of people who agreed to make this was a group effort not one person to make this right and what about the fans if they liked it they had to make more of it so truth all of us are to blame
@@ManiyaVinas a team of people obviously
A small details show Panini's stalking:
1) Her eyes. This is popular trope, when artist wants to show a mania of his/her/their characters.
2) Her fangs. The predators has big fangs, not rabbits or rodents. Panini is a little sexually predator.
3) Green heart is on her dress. Green color is a symbol of toxic. Panini has a unhealthy interest to Chaunder.
1 she is not a sexual predator just very creepy and 2 She’s addict at Chowder
When I think of the double standard, I think of Miraculous Ladybug. The protagonist Marinette stalks the boy Adrien, breaking into his house, stealing his phone, smelling his pillow, memorizing his schedule without being told what it is, etc. Her stalking him and feelings for him are obsessive, and I know if the roles were reversed, it wouldn't be accepted. Doesn't help that the guy says in show he doesn't like being a model and people coming at him without knowing him, yet she does exactly that and is never called out for her behavior and everyone supports her "crush."
It would have been accepted if he was two or so years younger than her. Nobody judges Aang and Dipper for their interest in Katara and Wendy.
@@valentinkambushev4968 I don't recall Aang or Dipper doing anything particularly creepy toward them, not even if they were the same age as their crushes.
@@valentinkambushev4968 Ok, I don't know what Dipper did, but Aang was never creepy with Katara from what I can remember. Certainly not on the level of Marinette. Wanting a crush to be reciprocated and acting like a doofus as a result is normal. That's why people overlooked Marinette's early creepiness. But it literally never stopped for four years.
That said, I'm not convinced that people would actually get mad if a boy was doing it to a girl. I used to think stuff like "a story about a male teacher going after female students would NEVER be okay", for example, and then I heard of Pretty Little Liars where that was normalized and celebrated by fans on national television. So... yeah. Outrage is... negotiable, I suppose.
Even worse she once abandoned her job as protector of Paris to stalk Adrain in another country lying to her family in the process and acts like its okay.
Adrain dose it as well later on and gets ton of shit for it from both Ladybug and the fanbase double standards at its finest.
@@damkylan3 Tbh, iirc DIpper and Wendy were actually pretty chill and reasonable with how that all ended. Dipper had a crush on Wendy, an older girl clearly out of his age range for dating, and several times the show lampshaded that with other characters mentioning to Dipper she's too old for him, even at one point having them go back in time where a really young Wendy thought Dipper was cute and he was weirded out by it since she was younger than him by a wide margin, a point which his sister Mabel makes a moment later. Eventually, Dipper is forced to confront his crush and be honest to Wendy about it, they have a heart to heart about why it can't happen, but Dipper accepts the truth like an upstanding guy and they remain friends after. By all accounts it was a refreshing and really progressive way to handle a story like that.
I really hate double standards
Same.
Well no matter how you hate it, double standards will always be a thing no matter the timeline. It is what it is.
@@IllMatic97 At least now people want to talk about it. Century ago it wasn't even a talk.
@@IllMatic97 I think by talking about it and making our voices heard, we can loudly declare that we reject shitty media, loud enough so showmakers will listen. I refuse to just accept that some bad things are just the way things are.
@@gregvs.theworld451 no it probably will not happen. Men will be seen as strong and women will be seen as delicate no matter what century is.
Same could be said about the tv show called “Pucca”. The main character of the show a girl named “Pucca”, and she would constantly sexually harass her crush named Garu.
Oh yeah, definitely! I could never watch that cartoon because Pucca always pissed me off with her actions toward Garu. It was super uncomfortable.
@@caxtillo9876 I admit Pucca always upset me to when she chased Garu around, but there were a few times Garu showed that he cared about Pucca, like when he stopped the wedding between Ring Ring and the fake Garu (Pucca showed that she cared about Garu in that one by sitting by and watched the person she believed was Garu marry another. She looked so heart broken the entire time and yet she let it happen instead of going up there and beating the crap out of ring ring) the time he gave her flowers to cheer her up when she was crying from her heart being broken. I even remember an episode where Garu entered a dating show for Pucca's affection (against a bad clone Garu) and lost, he looked upset until Pucca attacked the fake clone Garu. Garu looked over and smiled at Pucca then proceeded to attack the clone with her and ran away after once her attention was on him. There was even another episode where he fell inlove with another version of Pucca. I think the show was trying to make Garu a Tsundra and Pucca a Yander for laughs, but they didn't go the best away about it. It doesn't help that he's on a vow of silence so we can't get his verbal take on it. Only the villagers who sometimes talk about Pucca and Garu being lovers, Garu being shy, and when he took the vow of silence
I realized that too. I have seen the original flash animated ones from 2004 (made by the original creators in South Korea) and in those ones she is not so handsy in those short, to the point where Garu actually gives affection back and even confesses his love to her in one short(they still do in any short made by the original creators). But in the tv show from 2007 (made by jetix Europe) she is way more handsy and garu never really returns affection by 100% will. But I pointed out the creators because this trope only appeared once it was being made by English people, not the original creator from South Korea (vooz is the original owner) so perhaps this is something That happens in English culture?
TL;DR: pucca and garu actually seem to love each other in the shorts made by the original South Korean creators, only got uncomfortable when it was being made by English people on the tv show, so maybe this is something in English culture that’s accepted?
The creators said that Garu actually likes her, but because he took a vow of silence and is Ninja with many enemies, he chooses to avoid her and not let her get close.
Still not good relationship but Pucca did show signs of giving up few times and then he would do something that would give her hope.
So it's mutually wanted but not mutually persuaded relationship I suppose?
@@ines1084 Even if the creators did clarify Garu likes Lucca, then make an episode where fans can understand more why he can't reciprocate Pucca's feelings rather than him just randomly popping there and then for Pucca. To me, it seems he just did it because he sympathized her. Create a simple episode, maybe around when he decided to become a ninja and when he finally took the vow, he realized the potential of Pucca being in danger so he decided to push away his feelings and kept it locked. Then fast forward to this the present, you can see he still avoids her but then comes home, the moment he closed the door, he blushes and act like someone in love. Then open a chest where he wrote letters to Pucca but never sent it out. In a way, we can go 'oooh, that's why'. Idk, it's not that hard to create his scene. Certainly doesn't break his character too.
people seem to forget this part of the finale, Young Choder (as the expy of the audience) actually does come up after Adult Chowder and Panini get married with 50 kids and out right calls bullshit. Mung does admit he was pulling Chowder's leg on that one.
So it didn't really happen?
this bothered me SO much as i was a kid watching this show but every time i would mention that it was weird everyone around me (even adults) would just say that it was just a joke or that chowder would come around eventually (which based on that episode where he’s literally destined to marry her apparently he will be that just makes it even worse to me lol). so essentially my younger self would have been so grateful for this video lol
Did you not enjoy this show?
@@anonymouslucario285 Whether he did or didn’t isn’t really the point
Tbh they said the same thing for the skunk. "It's just a joke and the cat likes him anyway when he isn't smelly"
I think that but the tone the skunk came back up due to the reboot, no one remembered chowder so no one complained.
@@animationdude9 refuse to believe u types of people arent real
@@bruggger6287 What people are you talking about?
I think the worst case of the “Double standard, women being pervs to men” trope is the Kanker Sisters. Who repeatedly stalk, harass, attempt to smooch and strip the Ed’s naked at least twice. But NEVER get any comeuppance for it. And they are completely genre blind when the Ed’s turn the tables in an episode and stalk the Kankers to their room. (All a plan by Double-D to use reverse psychology). Ed Edd n Eddy is a great show, but that’s an aspect that hasn’t stood the test of time.
I'm fairly certain that element was meant to be karma for their own stupid actions, like that episode where they try to scare the other kids with that house dare, and wind up in a horrible tunnel of love.
Don't get me wrong, it was still creepy, but there were a lot of times in the show where the Eds' stupidity got them into those situations. I mean, look at all the times they just walked right into the Kankers' trailer park because they weren't using their heads.
I don’t think the irs s double standard in Ed Edd n Eddy considering the Kankeds actions are seen as bad and meant to be seen as bad. And that episode was just them facing Karma for how they treated the Ed’s. It wasn’t meant to say, when the Ed’s do it, it’s bad but when the landers do it, it’s okay. That’s not what happened at all.
Let's not forget the ending to Big Picture Show...😐😏😱
@@EternalStorm796 the only time I'd feel bad for Eddy's dick of an older brother smh
funnily enough, in the Valentine's special, Double-D and May Kanker get smitten thanks to Cupid Jimmy and Sarah's arrows, and even after things resolve, there is a slight hint that the feelings were still somehow there between them...ah, but yes, the real undoing of this all is good ol' Status Quo.
I was the Panini when I was younger, and I regret it with my whole life. I hurt so many friendships because I was a freaking moronic psycho who wanted to be loved in that way. But alas, boys and girls just aren’t on the same wavelength a lot of the time. It took me way too long to figure that out. By the time I did, it was too late. The damage was done.
And I think that’s the worst punishment I got- realizing that everyone hated me for a very good reason. It really broke me, and it took about a year before I picked myself up again.
Romantic/Sexual harassment of any kind is revolting. That is *NOT* how you get a relationship. I know this is a strange testimony to put in since it’s about the victims of this kind of harassment, but the harassers are at a severe loss as well.
If you want love you must be patient and willing to put in the slow, gradual effort to make it happen. Going in full throttle and persisting with it is how you get Chowder and Panini. I wish I could’ve heeded that advice sooner and didn’t choose to learn the hard way.
Same here but with constantly trying to get all my friends to stay my friends
The only thing that runs through my mind whenever Panini showed up was, "LEAVE this boy ALONE!
He's not into YOU!" In other words. This chick scared me in my childhood, and women like that, still does today.
And to the people who support this, true crime is a thing, IT'S NOT. FUNNY!!😰
Don't worry, the series finale has been confirmed to be a dream, even Chowder who was a kid again said it was a dream at the credits.
Wait... really?
It's been over a decade since I saw the finale so my memory might be kinda foggy on that one
Just checked, that infact happened
Now that I remember, I used to watch this show on RUclips, and those where reuploads of the episode minus the opening and the credits
Wait so it was actually a dream all along?
@@tsanchez114 Yes, the episode was made before it was announced as canceled, there was going to be another season but it was canceled
That makes way more sense, otherwise the ending and message is pretty bad xs
I wish Panini was more of an actual rival to Chowder. It would’ve been awesome to see her competitive but not in a romantic or creepy way.
Having the two have a bake off and strictly be competitive and eventually forming to be friends would’ve been so awesome. If we have to have characters that are creepy, they should be the random ass characters who never show up in the show again.
But literally yes to the double standards arguments in the video and not taking women harassers/assaulters seriously. It continues the narrative of gender roles of “guys can’t be hurt because they’re men and they like it” fr fr
@Luna zoeThat was a good dynamic
I would like to see both as she would try to have her motivation to get chowder and tries to beat him as I do enjoy the lines of chowder and panini simp moments
I would love panini to do some character interaction with what she can do as a female character and what her personality can do for other characters and her relationship with her master be more special
she was originally going to be a bully to chowder
Isn't that basically just Gorgonzola? He's Chowder rival but after the apprentice game episode, he started to become more friendly toward Chowder
@@ValenArtsAnimation yeah we don’t need 2 maybe he should have been the apprentice of mung arch nemesis
This is a double standard in the world not just in media.
One of the best things about the show Chalk Zone is the creator was very adamant despite fan rumor that the two main characters were just platonic. Which is great
Something I want to add to the “Pepe believes his own hype” thing: Pepe also got physically hurt. He chased cats whom he _thought_ were skunks. And then they voiced their displeasure at his unwanted attention, they did so with their *claws.*
Panini, meanwhile, never got any kind of physical comeuppance for her aggravated affection. I don’t even think she got “punished,” really- the physical side of the comedy always left Chowder as the victim. And I’m not saying Chowder should have hit her (mostly because it’s not in character for him, and they _are_ supposed to be children) but I am saying that there’s a disparity, here.
Don't forget there was at least one episode where the tables turned on Pepe, he fell into a vat of blue paint that removed his smell while the cat he was chasing fell into a barrel of water and the stripes washed off. He asked if she had seen the female skunk and then walked off..but now that he no longer smells and doesn't look completely like a skunk..the female cat (now soaking wet and sneezing from time to time) thinks Pepe is hunky as all get out and locks them in a building together and starts to chase him. The whole time she was locking the door Pepe was talking to her and getting more worried before running off at a full tilt like the cats normally do from him..and the cat is now hopping along like Pepe is known to do after him and the final line is Pepe saying "You know sometimes it is possible to be TOO attractive" in a panicky voice.
Yeah, as a 4-8 year old kid, I never walked away from that show thinking Pepe's actions were okay. They were all humorous lessons in consent (which is why it's frustrating why he was cancelled imo). Anybody who thinks the cartoon was glorifying Pepe's actions never watched more than 30 seconds of it.
@@MadocComadrin He's not..totally cancelled. I still see him on Looney Tunes reruns on Boomerang from time to time..Speedy Gonzales on the other hand? not a peep. Which is a shame cause from what I understand he was 'cancelled' for being a racial stereotype or something but a lot of Mexicans came out and said "we love Speedy"..like more than people expected..but you still can't see any of his old shorts on Boomerang even if they still show Pepe.
@@ShinKyuubi Honestly, Speedy González is a much healthier character than Pepe Le Pew.
@@alanbareiro6806 Friendly, ready to help, always there for his friends, never being mean to the foil of that particular cartoon short, usually Sylvester, rarely resorts to outright violence...honestly he's a decent role model by Looney Tunes standards.
When I was 7 there was this one girl who was OBSESSED with me. She would constantly follow me around, not let me see my other friends, and called me (I kid you not) her "husband". It got so bad that my teacher (Mrs. Smith) stepped in and finally broke us up. So yeah, the things that happened to Chowder happened to me too.
Do you feel like people took is as a joke or cute
Literally same. In pre school, kindergarten, 1st, and 2nd grade there was a girl in my class that would always stalk me and call me her “husband” She would always say that she wanted to grow up to be a mommy and I would be a daddy with her. It was quite annoying how all our teachers seen it as “cute” when I was literally being harassed by her daily!
Wow I'm so sorry that happened to you. Hope your in a better place now.
@@Blank85289 Yeah that must have sucked man. I hope your doing better now though.
@@justforrow thanks I’m doing fine!
In a sense, the trope _does_ give at least a subtle impression that these crazily obsessed girls/women _are_ a red flag and should be avoided, though there's no denying that it's a very poorly handled trope that should be taken more seriously than it is. Panini was pretty much a full-on Yandere. I remember the episode with Chowder meeting Marmalade and spending the day with her at a festival, and Panini gets super jealous...yeah, I'm pretty sure she would've _ended_ her if it weren't for it being a kids show.
i mean the name translated literally is "love crazy"
I've never heard of any Gumball fan ever hating on Chowder for any reason.
That sounds so made up to me.
I agree I like both shows in fact.
chowder and panini toxic relationship @
I just remembered something in a weird coincidence in the pilot episode for Gumball, Gumball was voiced by Nicky Jones the kid who also voiced Chowder.
@@brandonscott5544 Huh no
@@Mario87456 Oh
If Chowder didn’t have at least one ship, the brilliant innuendos would go to waste
It should've been a healthier relationship though. To be fair, I haven't watched Chowder. We're there any characters that Chowder could've had a healthy romantic relationship with?
Furniture and celestial objects.
@@andysee6996 Nope, the only romantic interest Chowder had on a regular basis was Panini (and some one-off girl for an episode, that was pretty much played for getting Panini jelaous)
@@sadvec6328 but what about that rat kid? Don't remember their gender but they had a cool dynamic.
(I think the rat kid is male, I don't mind a bicon in chowder)
@@sadvec6328 You talkin bout Marmalade? She was a green pig thing with big Pink hair.
Honestly I connect with Chowder on a personal level. I've been a victim of forceful women, or stalkers when I was younger. And people wouldn't take the situation seriously and thought it was "cute", or "adorable". But today I'm currently happily engaged with the woman I've loved for several years now.
Man where you get those from lmao
@@dontkickmychick6076 That response makes no sense.
Wow congrats on the engagement
The worst part is when detractors will say things like "Oh, so women are forceful? Nobody wants you're gross ass!" Like their taste dictates the taste of all women.
I was in situation like this wear girl was my stalker then later another girl forced herself on me I couldn’t do anything about cause she a lot stronger then me it painful
This is how I would rewrite Panini: She would be a happy, yet stubborn type of girl, who at first would be hostile towards Chowder, due to knowing he’s learning to cook at her mentor’s rival. But as the show progresses, she would be warming up to him more and more thanks to a genuine kindness he would be showing to her, but still trying to beat him at being the best chef. Eventually, the episode happens where her views completely change (by for example Chowder helping her in a harsh situation or something), and ends up catching feelings for her rival. For the rest of the series, she acts cute and shy around him, occasionally blushing and trying to impress him. And finally, near the end of the series, she confesses her love, and in the series finale these two end up getting married :3
(Yeah, I know it’s a typical „enemies to lovers” trope, but I think it’s better than „an obsessive girl stalks her crush”)
👍🏻
We Stan enemies to lovers in this house!
It's weird how Chowder basically got Panini to back off by saying he wants to marry her, but then she keeps hitting on him in future episodes.
It was so dumb, she literally gaslit him into saying that he was invading her space when *she's* the one who was trying to kiss and marry him in the first place.
Chowder literally gave up and basically said: "Fine, I'll marry you since that's what you want. Get off my back." and Panini basically turned around and said he was nuts for it. What the hell.
I think the joke is when he's not interested she gets to chase him, she loses the chase when he gets interested back. I don't think she actually wants to be with him but she wants him to fight back when she makes advances.
@@GameparkGames Except in the show, she always seems to actually be into him. There's an episode where Chowder meets another g*rl and gets jealous of her.
The whole schoolteacher thing pisses me off so much, especially since boys as young as 12 have been court-ordered to pay child support to their rapists. In the US, at least. Men and boys just can’t seem to catch a break on this issue.
There's no way in hell what you just said is true.
It....it can't be. I must have misread that. That's not 12, that's 21. Yeah.....yeah, that's right. Existence can be cruel but it's not on the level of garbage fire where a court order a fucking *child* to pay child support to their grown ass adult rapists. No way in hell.
@@Takejiro24 Unironically want to see a source. Not saying they're lying, but I genuinely can't believe (and pray) this is something that has occurred. I know that the US is a special place and all, but it can't be THAT stupid...
Right?
I mean, rapists have made successful cases in getting child visitation rights for the baby they forced on the victim. The US legal/"justice" system is royally fucked up. So a young teen boy being assaulted by an adult and having to pay child support? As gross as it sounds, I'm not putting it past our legal system...
@@shadowbanningcommentssucks3551 no stuff like that does happen same with sperm donors and people who don’t give evidence that they are not the father on time
@@Takejiro24 chill out bro
I watched this back when it aired and I felt bad for Chowder back then. Pepe would at least get karma when his hard flirting bit him in the butt, because whenever he lost his skunk funk Penelope would reciprocate it HARD.
Or that one time when it turned out he was actually married and has kids and his wife beated him gor going for another woman.
@@valentinkambushev4968 I know the episode you're talking about but I believe that character was considered to be his "father," Henry le Pew. (Or Stinky) Basically Pepe's origin story may have been his dad was a bad influence.
@@valentinkambushev4968 Hold up! Pepe's got a whole family? When was this?
@@jenneacubero1036 it was a very early Silvester cartoon where the cat (who I don't think is named) is abused by the dog character and so gives himself a white stripe on his back to hide as a skunk. This attracts the interest of an actual skunk who mistakes a male cat for a female of his kind. The cartoon ends with the skunk, Henry, being shown to have a irritated wife and a number of kids and proceeds to get his butt kicked while the cat runs away and removes the paint stripe.
Feminism is making sure you recognize that double standards go both ways. I've always said Panni was creepy because I know someone chasing me around like that would be super uncomfortable. Everyone always laughed it off and said he'll start liking her when they're older. Thank God people are finally seeing this!
So true. Fun fact: back then, the ANTI-feminist activists believed that mothers should always get the children after a divorce thinking that all women are suited to take care of kids. But that’s not true since some women can turn out to be insane psychopaths and should not be taking care of children.
@@CalmClamFam Exactly. Like whenever I hear that statement I'm like have you seen crazy mothers? Haven't you heard of mothers who treat their kids like crap? God forbid they didn't want them in the first place. Like women are abusive too! THAT'S PART OF FEMINISM!!!!!!
@@mikayladouglas2503 I don't have too much trust in Feminist. It created the Duluth Model.
No it doesn't, feminism shows that it is acceptable one way and the other needs to be stalked out and exterminated. Don't believe me? Look and female teacher grooming statistics. Feminism was always about making this acceptable, you think otherwise because you don't know better.
@@mikayladouglas2503 No its not you mong, feminism is about normalizing that behavior. What are you smoking that you believe that, or who lied too you?
I actually ended up in a situation where a girl was completely obsessed with me, and I had no feelings. I eventually broke up with her, and she even talked about starting again in two days because I would "be ready again" for her, it's fucking weird.
Don’t u miss a girl liking you tho? Now no women likes you and u don’t miss it
I would like to point out another example of the double standards in media. There is this movie series called "Horrible bosses" in which three dudes are trying to kill their horrible bosses (that's only in the first movie) one of the dudes is named Dale (played by Charlie Day) who is an assistant to a nymphomaniac dentist named Julia (played by Jennifer Aniston). He can't find another job because he has been accused of pedophilia (without a reason) and he has to deal with his boss, who is constantly trying to fuck him, despite him always turning her down.She reveals to him that at some point she drugged him and basically raped him. She even threatens to show the photos to his girlfriend if he doesn't fuck her for real. By the end of the movie Dale puts Julia on her place and in the next movie he and his friends have their own business and Dale has triplets. Due to events I don't have time to discuss here Dale and Julia's paths cross again and she decides to catch the only man who has ever escaped her, while also ruins his marriage. Dale gets shot and aweiks four days later. During this time Julie has saved his marriage (and presumably fucked his wife in the process) . She then tells Dale that he isn't in her list anymore, because she might have raped him while he was nconsciousness.
Here is how it works:
Man rapes woman- tragedy!
Woman rapes man- comedy.
Horrible Bosses was a red flag I really should have paid more attention to with my former circle of friends. They all found it hilarious, while I was inwardly going 'WTF?!' and especially at the Julia stuff.
Oh, ew. I thought I heard the horrible bosses movies were pretty funny. I was probably going to watch them soon. Guess it's good to know I dodged a bullet not seeing them yet, and now I don't ever intend to.
NAUR coz I remember seeing that scene when I was younger bc idk my dad was watching it in the living room or whatever and it pissed me off so much like 😭😭😭 bitch wtf
I don't think jule fuck his wife
@@gregvs.theworld451 They are funny movies, it's just the double standards with the female boss that might make you uncomfortable.
I swear, as a little girl, I don’t think I liked Panini very much.
I didn’t hate her, I just wasn’t a fan of her weird stalker hijinks. I was more confused than amused at seeing this pink bunny girl pining after this dude. Think it was my first time watching Chowder and seeing Panini, I was just like….huh?? Now that I’m watching this video, I remember why I felt off about it.
You done unlocked a memory. Appreciate it, Sarcasm🥴😭
Are you saying this show gave you trauma?
@@anonymouslucario285 I don't think so
@@anonymouslucario285 No💀 Chowder is very much not on the tier list of things that traumatized me as a kid.
@@reiyujigo Now I’m curious to hear that you have a list.
@@nelzelpher7158 I remember watching an episode from Rabbids Invasions that had an old an expired donut, and when eaten, would turn the eater into some zombie, or something..
I forgot, I watched that when I was fairly young. And after watching that episode, I hated donuts for what? 4-7 months?..Like, if you talked about chocolate donuts (Which, by the way is my absolute favorite) I would cover my ears and or go somewhere far.
I don't know if that was trauma, but I just remember hating donuts AND Rabbids invasions after that episode.
9:01 wtf did she just say 😳
It amazes me how characters like panini, pucca, and amy rose get so much love despite them being actual hedonistic violent sex pests. It's cuz they're girls, plain and simple. Remember Irwin from billy and mandy? Clyde from loud house? That nerd from my life as a teenage robot? Those guys have NO fans and they're way less creepy than the girls I mentioned.
Honestly I think Clyde’s gotten less creepy as seasons went on which is for the better
@@themysteryquadrio339probably because the writing staff changed
Pucca and Amy Rose aren't violent sex pests, *especially* not Amy, when there's been so much more to her character over the years then simply being that girl who loves Sonic. And for Garu, the creator mentioned that he does like Pucca, but he prefers not to express it openly, due to his vow of silence. I'm surprised no one has brought up The *Kanker Sisters* in the comments section. Now those are some real sex pests.
@@justinstewart9145 Remember in sonic heroes when Amy threatened bodily harm on sonic to convince him to marry her? Yeah, that counts.
As for pucca... did we watch the same show? 😅
That's right children, if you don't like someone, you have to be the one to date them because that is YOUR responsibility, never mind the fact that the person clearly has consent issues and stalkerish tendencies
This totally won't cause toxic relationships to fester in the future I'm sure of it
Wish someone had told me this (sarcastically) when I met a pedophile in Pre-U......
I remember vividly when I was a little kid not even in first grade and 2 girls both named christine had kissed me while we had been in classes. It was one of them on the trip at Chuck E. Cheese that kissed me out of nowhere while me and my friends were playing on the slides and the teacher saw it happen. The teacher immediately said she was going to tell my parents about it and being a kid with no voice being shy and no understanding of what to do I couldn’t even explain myself. I got yelled at by my dad about it when I was never educated on things about this at all and knew it wasn’t even my fault that it happened.
"They wanted it anyway" has to be one of the worst things I've ever heard. If it's not okay to say to women, it's not okay to say to men. It should never be said at all and is disgusting on so many levels.
I've said it a hundred times and I'll say it another a hundred. Reversing the dynamic of something toxic or problematic isn't good in any way. It only sets us back since we haven't been rid of it entirely. Defending it by saying "It happens the other way around more" isn't a good defense. We should be working toward leaving it in the past, not giving it to someone else who has experienced it less. That's not how change works and it never should be.
Agreed, shame men are shamed for being upset over assault.
@@arandomladywithabadsleepsc1748 Since when
It's not feminists doing this though, it's men that put these standards on other men and it's men who want a girl to be interested in them basically
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 ..No. I’m a woman, and I have heard plenty of fellow gals argue that it’s the mens fault or treat it as jokes, along with how *some* feminists will, while not all do, I have met a handful of them argue the exact same thing, you saying “since when” is simply confusing because I have always heard people argue it, please get educated on the topic before speaking of it. We have all seen women and men argue that male SA victims are the ones to blame or that it’s a “funny thing” despite that not being anywhere near the case, we have heard this, you are attempting to say we are saying ALL feminists(even thought I hadn’t brought up feminism within my reply) are the reasoning when that wasn’t what I argued.
@@arandomladywithabadsleepsc1748 And I've seen men do this as well. I mentioned feminists because moronic MRA pretend its feminists' job to deal with male issues, which btw they talk about.
14:28 - lol just something about the way you said "fuck you, marry me" was hilarious 😂
I passed through this kind of thing when i was around 8 years old. There was a girl that constantly stalked me and hugged me everyday, and i always tried to run alway from her. I didn't knew shit about relationships, or affection because i wasan't much of a "social" kind of kid (since my family was super overprotective with me), so i just saw her actions as "ew weird", and every kid would start joking about us and saying we were a couple.
I remember that on her birthday she said she wanted to MARRY me. That was one day before i changed schools.
I wonder how she is nowdays, and i hope she's living her life happily
I got married to this type of girl when I was younger. She was obsessed but I kinda liked it but I also didn’t. It feels good when a girl likes u but obsessed is to much. She even kissed me on the cheek
As a boy whose been harrassed by another guy and was ignored by our mutual friends because "oh cmon don't exaggerate", I just hate this whole double standard shit,
Like I got shit thrown at me for having a dude behind me 24/7 and destroying my mental health, I can't imagine guys being insulted when a girl assaults them... It has to be much worse.
I wish feminism can just be clear about that but no, double standard wanna clap back until the point where someone said something along the lines of "(insert bad thing here) is a crime made no matter the gender" and suddenly no one talks about it anymore but no one brought that statement to light
I wanna be the one who bring this around and points out all the terrible people no matter the gender, for all god knows maybe the terrible person is a nonbinary
Not to mention how okay everyone seems to be with assgrabbing and other passing things if the receiver is a male, and the same goes to things like slapping and hitting in public, guys don't get slapped unless they deserved it if the one slapping him was a female(Especially his partner), right? You sure as hell won't find anyone stepping in to stop her or tell her off the guy, either(It gets pretty embarrassing to not know how many people would tell you to not 'make such a fuss' as well in those situations, so it's REALLY hard to see what the clear way to defend yourself is in the moment)
Remember ladies if you push hard enough and stalk someone you’ll get the person of your affection
Ayano that you?
Sakura sure took that advice
Marinette in a nutshell
@@47ratsinahoodie you damn madlad. That’s 100 with you
I take it the same lesson can apply for men who are after that special someone...
I only just realized that Chowder and Panini are the same species. That is mind blowing.
This makes me think of the show Pucca. I’m some ways, it was in reverse of this. It started out as Pucca just chasing after her crush, Garu. However, they start to portray they as more friends then just a crazy stalker. Sure they still do the chase sequences. However, it never feels truly forced like with this. Especially since it’s more naive compared to intentionally forcing chowder to marry her.
Not to mention, at least sometimes in Pucca, Garu shows interest is Pucca when she isn't in her chasing-phases. There was even an episode/side feature where he is making a ring for her out of a sword (if I remember it correctly).
nagatoro is also like this she basically is a light yandere who is annoying but not outright creepy our malicious though her extreme jealousy moments are scary she never lay a hand agasint her crush.
She's a Yandere. She's the definition of "If I can't have him, then no one can"
Feels like she needs to be put into the funny farm, There are other guys that would like her back but CHOWDER SHOWS NO INTEREST AND SAYING ITS HIS DESTINY TO KNOCK PANINI UP
Honestly I kind of hate when people use the term "yandere" since women like this are more than just an anime trope and are legitimately dangerous. Idk, comparing it to an anime type that you're oftentimes supposed to like seems a bit iffy
They could've made her his rival and then made them friends
Actual crazy woman aren't really like pannini pain.
@@royalblanket I'm a little bit surprised he didn't mention "yanderes" seems relevant with the whole it's cute when the girl is insane
The therapy Panini needs-
I think Pucca had the double standard even worse , i mean it was the show´s whole premise
Thats a show I haven't heard in a long time.
I remember the one episode she got a taste of her own medicine by using the moon to make Garu fall in love with her which worked then Garu was chasing her the same way she did, she hated it so much she reversed the process and things went back to normal lol
@@shakeymistakey3881 I remember that episode, I hoped it would stick but realized thats false hope.
Let's be honest, Pucca should been on prison
PUCCAAAAAA LOVES GARUUUUUUU
Let's thank South Korea for their creations once more.
"This isn't closure. It's a question mark, about how several seasons of harassment could turn into marriage"
Bro that was a bar 👌🏽🔥
I had to deal with a girl like Panini in high school. Obsessed over me, chased me, would try to take photos of me, and tried stealing my car keys to solicit a kiss, which resulted in me slamming her into another car to get my keys back. TLDR I had an emotional breakdown earlier that day and she was trying to take advantage of me in a vulnerable place. She went onto make a fake facebook page in my name using one of the photos she took of me, added everyone in the school and the teachers, then proceeded to try to ruin my reputation. I informed the school of this account being fake and had the dean work with me to get it shut down by passing word among students and teachers that I was going to use my connections to track down who made it and turn them over as it was punishable by expulsion at my school. I already knew who did it, but wanted to give them the chance to delete it themselves. She did within a day and panicked when I brought it up to her. She never caught onto the fact that I preferred the company of other men for starters, and that her overall personality was toxically clingy.
I'm sorry you had to go through that...
Another example of this double standard would be the garbage fire that was bolin’s relatship with the dArK AVataR’s daughter who upon seeing the guy claimed he was hers, forced him to wear a collar, said having girlfriend and having a boss is the same thing, and then tried to force him to marry her. And these all happen throughout all of season 2 and the whole cast either laugh at bolin’s obvious distress or just move on like it’s natural. Not even bolin’s brother did anything to help him get out of a relationship he didn’t want. The lengend of Korra had a lot of problems and their relay ships was definitely one of them with bolin’s “relationship” was played as a joke the entire season cuz women hurting man is so funny.
I think i remember that part. Neither Korra nor his own brother helped Bolin in that situation very well. At most I think they just said “dude just break up with her. Let her off easy, you’ll be fine”, also that “dark avatar” plot line felt like a fanfic.
I always hated this trope. Don't get me wrong, I love me a "lovesick" girl character, but when it gets to stalkish and just psychotic behavior it just gets on my nerves.
But what i do notice is, Panini is never framed as being in the right (at least, in the latin american dub they always made her say obviously twisted reasonings or saying she was lying) while Pucca and Marinette are not only the leads but are always shown to be in the right or the "heroes" and not crazy, and somehow I find it a bit worse in those cases
But yeah, I would've liked Panini to have more character than this lol
My friend and I constantly talk about how great it’d be if Gabriel got arrested/executed for his _minor_ amounts of terrorism and Emilie and Nathalie just started dating and raised Adrien like an actual parent should. We usually just completely omit Mari in any AU we make because we just hate her that much.
God, I forgot about Pucca.
Let's not forget about Amy. I mean, I love her, but I still gotta call her out...😅
Yeah, it's like Pepe Le Pew. I know that Looney Tunes isn't character/plot driven, but, it always acts like Pepe is in the right for doing the stuff he does to Penelope. She constantly bashes him on the head and a few other stuff, but, he won't take the hint. And the only time he gets any consequences is when Penelope gets some love potion or something else.
@@thomashuffman3237 or if doesn't smell bad. Lol
There are at least times where it's a mutual attraction unlike here.
I remember an episode Panini said "I just wanted to pass laws that would legally make you my property" quite unnerving tbh 😂
I absolutely hated panini, I think it’s disgusting when this kind of relationship is played for jokes. doesn’t matter what gender is doing it, it’s always nasty.
I thought the show was funny but panini still creeped me out even in this comedy series.
Pretty sure the whole joke is she's a rabbit, and rabbits are known to... well, "breed like rabbits." Which is why they have a ridiculous amount of kids in the finale.
yep. thats the whole joke.
But Chowder is also (at least partly) a rabbit, so that would imply he should want to be with her too. Male rabbits are the horny ones in real life. Female rabbits don't even go into heat until after they've been penetrated once, so they jave to have sex at least twice to get pregnant (from my rabbit care book)
@@kjw21411 I always assumed Chowder was more cat / bear than rabbit (I think the show says he's a hybrid of a rabbit, a cat, and a bear?) given the short ears & overall lack of rabbit-like features, but tbh I'm not sure. This show was weird.
@@LupinticDream I like the fact that even to this day after *nearly 15 years* we have no fuckin clue what the hell chowder even is🤣
@@animationdude9 Same thing with other characters like Marmalade. Like Gazpacho says: "the weird, pig-frog thing."
"There's no better example than this."
The Kanker sisters: "We are right here."
At least they're actually acknowledged as bad people.
@@Luigicat11 At least there's a reason for Panini to exist in the show. You could remove the Kankers from Ed Edd n Eddy and nothing would change.
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Well, _almost_ nothing. Some episodes would actually end in the Eds winning out because they don't have their diabolus ex machina crutch.
@@Luigicat11 It would have been nive some winnings tbh
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Yeah. The only good that ever came from the Kankers was that extremely satisfying scene where Eddy actually told them off to protect Edd.
When I used to watch the show, this "relationship" was really uncomfortable for me. I'm surprised more people didn't feel the same way when they watched it when they were younger
I always changed the channel whenever it was Panini and Chowder episodes because even as a small child I felt the relationship with her and Chowder as extremely disturbing.
I wish they had left Panini’s character arch off they way the first episode ended. She lost interest in him and said they could just be friends. Then went right back to thirsting over him. It confused me as a kid.
One quick note: I think I remember CH Greenblatt once comparing Chowder and Panini to Goku and Chichi, in that both Panini and Chichi cared so much about marrying their childhood crushes and both have fiery tempers when things don't go according to plan. But it doesn't quite work, given that Chichi never stalked Goku and Goku actually cared about her/liked her to an extent.
Well, let’s compare them when they were kids.
Goku didn’t even know what marriage was, as a kid he thought it was something to do with food.
When they grow up, he eventually kept their promise and they got married anyway. And ignore the poor flanderization they did with Super, they both did love each other at the end.
Chowder, might be a child, he still didn’t want anything to do with Panini. Unlike being clueless, he’s straight up creeped out by her.
@@thefvguy5648 Flanderization is a stupid term. Flanders became more religious because his wife died. Character development.
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Whatever you feel about the origin of the term doesn’t matter.
It does happen in a lot of media and it’s the common term used for it.
@@cooldud7071 hysteria used to describe female emotions = mental illness, but now we use it for when people are crazy today. Bad past, but we use it today anyways because that's life.
I'm glad you made this video because it needed to be said
Even when I was a kid, Panini's obsession with Chowder always made me uncomfortable. I even yelled at the TV a few times like, "Oh my God, just leave him alone already!"
Boys can be victims of assault and they need to be heard and taken seriously.
I didn’t think about it much i just watched and enjoyed the show
@@ThiccFurryBoi34 Barking up the wrong tree
@@DragonGoddess18 why I enjoyed it why do you have to get mad at it
@@ThiccFurryBoi34 I'm saying don't wait for me to like what you did
@@DragonGoddess18 what’s with you their married and happy isn’t that all it counts
I just find the thought of flipping this dynamic hilarious. Imagine for a moment if Panini was hyper focused on her studies under her master to the point of barely noticing Chowder's existence, and Chowder was aggressively in love with her. With Chowder generally being more emotional and Panini more of a brainiac, it's a dynamic I could see. But if they made this their dynamic, Chowder would've been remembered as a stalker and a pervert on par with Family Guy's own Quagmire, rather than as this lovable little dumb kid. The show wouldn't have lasted longer than the episode Panini was introduced, as Chowder would immediately have been branded a rapist and a perpetuator of rape culture and canceled.
Even as a kid, Panini's obsession with Chowder always made me cringe. Having a crush on someone is one thing, but having someone constantly flirt with you while invading your space? That's just straight up creepy!
Yeah this has always been issue in media, espically modern media, woman are basically allowed to do what every they want to men no matter who vile and disgusting its a joke, infact i'm not sure if anyone remembers the whole "Rising of rthe shield hero debacle" but the one time a female character did something inceredibly vile and the series actually frames it as such, the backlash was instant , its kinda baked into our society that women are innocent and need protecting but in reality they can be and often times as vicious, cruel , creep and mean spirited as males can be but our media keeps saying portraying it as "OH aren't women quirky"
...wat
I've never watched rising of the Shield hero but I used to know someone who loves the show and from what I heard (if we're talking about the evil red haired princess) SHE IS THE SINGLE MOST DESPICABLE CHARACTER I'VE EVER HEARD OF!!!
How the fuck can her getting any just deserts be framed a bad thing?!
I know it's really sad and upsetting that men are constantly petrayed as the Evil, perverted and abusive villains and women are always petrayed as the innocent victims
@@pyromaniac2104 people claimed it was problematic bc his girl allies were essentially slaves and the villain chick was a stawman for not believing women or somn.
Honestly people read too much into it especially when there were also positive female character portayals like the queen who is an absolute BOSS
@@thatonkgau5221 women aren't always portrayed as being "innocent" or a "victim" little dude. That's a poor take but also it's exception vs the rule, men are usually viewed in ways as a means of evil because man itself is capable of great evil if left unchecked while women are victims of circumstances which happens a lot, whether you disagree with me or not I couldn't care less because I'm not trying to change your mind but you got to consider the context of the point your trying to make. Basically my point is women are and have been portrayed as evil but like I said before it's an exception compared to what a man can do, not everybody can be a victim kiddo.
@@IllMatic97 You literally could of just dumbed it down to something like: "women in fact do have a evil portrayals - though on occasion & depending on what media you're viewing."
And another thing, you brought up the idea of considering context 1st, which in itself is fine, but have you stopped to consider how despite the context - the majority of times we see a "bad" woman is in W vs. W stories & very rarely M vs W/W vs. M? Especially as we're in the era of Woke.
I always thought it was messed up that the show never picked a side. Panini is creepy as fuck and should be in prison. If you are pretending that's not true then Chowder constantly insulting her is uncalled for. Like which is it? Am I supposed to be happy when she gets hit or when she gets married? Can't have both. Pepe le Pew never gets called creepy to his face.
Why do we like this show again?
@@anonymouslucario285 its funny. Regards of the problems shown in this video the jokes are still funny.
@@anonymouslucario285 cause we love the jokes and characters even panini I mean what would the show be without her we wouldn’t be here
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I had a few Panini experiences last year during new years, this chick kept try to get with me I told her I'm not really interested in anyone right now, because I broke up with my ex a few weeks prior, she started grinding on my leg while I was sitting as if I didn't tell her I was interested, I moved my knee from her and she tried guilt tripping me " I Know cute guys like you don't like ugly women like me I'm sorry" so I told her she isn't ugly or anything I just had a really bad break up and Im not ready to hook up with anyone, so like, she kept her advances going so I just got up and signaled my friend to come over and we left.
Another time some chick randomly brushed her hand across my chest while I was walking and tried asking for my number and kept trying to get more touchy with me, what's crazy is that men have been sexually harassed alot but to society it's nothing more than a joke or made up Bs, it can only happen to women just like abuse can
Also, some girls say that the guy is an asshole when they cheat on their girlfriend, but when a girl cheats on their boyfriend, they'll say that the bf didn't do enough to keep the gf and "it's his loss" lmao
And it's bs like that is why many people just stop dating altogether.
Yeah,but some men say opposite when it come to men cheating vs women cheating.
Don’t forget the one episode where Panini thought Chowder liked another girl so she faked a relationship to try and make him jealous and wound up trying to fight the other girl in a gladiatorial match.
That seems like a normal cartoon trope tho
The other girl 9I know her name but have trouble spelling it) liked Panini's friend (Forgot his name) at the end and had the same dynamic...
I just realized you were right about the ending. It’s weird how Chowder isn’t living his own life, he’s forced to being what everyone else wants him to be. Ouch
Well funnily enough young Chowder at the end of that finale episode outright said he rejected that future so knows perhaps the future ended up at least a little different for him?
What about Endive and Schnitzel? That's also a double standard too. Endive wants Schnitzel but he's got a girlfriend. Endive flips out and tries to force him too. I think Panini got her craziness from Endive.
9:28 ngl this shit still cracks me up to this day
So, this does remind me of a story concept for a story that basically saying "No, men don't always want it, and yes, woman can be abusers and molesters."
It's a high school set thriller that I'm pitching as sort of Heathers meets Cape Fear, about a math tutor who becomes the source of affection for the cheercaptain mean girl archetype, and since she doesn’t like being told no for anything her actions eventually go from "red flags but harmless" to "yandere simulator levels". That last part is not a hyperbolic comparison; if ya catch what I'm implying.
One of my favorite scene ideas is when we first see the start of her crazy. She surprises him with a kiss and at first allows it cause, "Whoa, okay, I didn't ask for this, but yeah, I like this a lot." But then she starts getting more grabby, and then he has to stop her.
"Look, I um... I'm sorry. I'm super flattered, but... I meant it when I said I wasn't... ready for that kind of relationship. I really am not. And I mean, it's not like we're even dating."
What follows is an unreadable robotic expression from this girl for what goes on long enough that you notice that it has been long, like at least 9 seconds of an uncomfortably held gaze until she smiles, without sincerity and gives an obviously fake apology. It's as if she had to physically take the time to comprehend that she was being rejected by a man, whom she knows is attracted to her and by all stereotypical reasoning would be jumping at the chance to get laid first chance he could.
Chowder and Panini's typical banter was always pretty funny to be you know with Panini always forcing her love on Chowder in him saying "I'm not your boyfriend" all the time, it always made me laugh hell i think the most hilarious thing Chowder ever said about Panini was in the Bruised bluenana episode when Chowder called her a mad woman. lol
I still remember when Panini had 50 babies in the final episode, every time i see that part i can't help but think-"Wow, i've heard of women who are baby crazy, but this is ridiculous"
@@theponyofglory8545 doesn't help since she's a Bunny lol
@@Specters0rd chowder is also half rabbit too
Sexual abuse/harassment can happen to anyone and everyone has the capability of being an abuser
Children can abuse other children
This is a fuckgin mess
Funnily enough, I think one thing people forget about Pepe and Fifi (the cat), is that Fifi ACTUALLY LIKES PEPE. She just can't stand his smell. In episodes where he gets rid of his smell or the roles are reversed, she'll actually pursue him.
I remember in one episode, Pepe seals his stink beneath paint and Fifi has her skunk stripe washed off, Pepe is no longer interested in her while Fifi pursues him (but Pepe is too focused on finding his fellow skunk).
In another episode, Pepe goes to a perfumery and Fifi to a cheese factory and swap smells. For a minute, the two are madly in love until Pepe catches a whiff of Fifi's new fragrance and excuses himself.
Honestly I had a girl in middle school act just like Panini for a while, always hovering around me and hugging me *much* too tightly and I was just having none of it, even though she was absolutely gorgeous. It wasn't fun, tbh
Still I miss women affection. Than when. U get older and no women likes u u regret rejecting her
@@kobebeanburner6530 you uh.. you wanna try typing that again?
@@kobebeanburner6530 I can see why woman don’t like you. No woman wants a simp.
@@kobebeanburner6530 skill issue
@@kobebeanburner6530 There's a reason why women don't like you.
7:07
This one hits hard once you remember she wasn't able to move on from Chowder not being her boyfriend when she was an adult and she turned neurotic, not in a cartoony funny sense, actually manic obsession.
I like going back to my childhood to forget my adulthood problems... this is not working
🐈Our man chowder did not deserve to end up with Panini, he should have just lived on his own making his own food all day bro-🥪
Timmy and Tootie
Now that i think about it, Panini wanting a lot of babies makes sense since she's a rabbit
I love and grew up with this show but even as a kid I felt sad for chowder
The Boondocks reference killed me. Fucking good insert lol.
I just want to know why writers are so thirsty with writing stalking/harassing fanfics. I've only ever laughed at those situations in media because they made me uncomfortable and surprised. It's like every Hollywood writer is a weirdo who draws upon their urges to stalk their crush every time they try to portray young relationships or relationships with a rocky start. I hate the message in media that "if you just try hard enough you'll just will someone into being with you". They can't do it as much anymore with guys, so they're going all in with the gals.
bro have no one remember pucca? The red dress and black hair bun girl who is a mary sue and sexually harass a boy ninja even tho he says no every episode and in some her has to force himself to be with her. Its fucked up
Ngl, I just thought it was innocent because there are both children and she'll learn but mostly because "comedy". But the finale shows Panini still obsess with the idea of Chowder and her being parents to the point where it's affective towards her apprentice. That's just... mmmmhhhh no
Ending isn't canon
@@cooldud7071 it is you can’t prove otherwise also it’s the only episode left what else it just resets and becomes a filler does that mean everything chowder thinks is what everyone future is would that be his fault
This is kinda exactly why I don't really care for janna in star vs as much as other fans, I constantly hear she's considered one of the best characters still in the show but like.....90% of her humor revolved around assaulting, stalking, stealing from and violating Marco.
And they're supposed to be friends by the end?
And then the fanbase took THAT character and decided Tom (who just got out of a toxic relationship with star) should be with them for some reason.
*shudders*
She also acted like she was absolutely baked the entire time
6:37 funny you mention Lola Bunny, cus in the Looney Tunes show she is an actual stalker