I'm a big fan of the content both of you put out. You're both concise and easy to understand. @malcolmmoore would love hear how your experiments go. Especially for those of with longish legs, it's hard to deny the difference in the amount of weight you can stack over the board in a double posi stance. For me, it feels like turning has been reinvented in a way that feels even more fun. How is that possible?!? So much to learn.... Thank you both for the great lessons.
Holy mother of turns! No body...and I mean - NO BODY...talks about this, and I was at the point when I thought I've hit a wall with my snowboard carvs. I was even trying get back to the basics and still, I've felt LOCKED with my position, boots and bidings. I was wandering what is wrong? Is that it for me? This video is a holy grail for me. Thank You so much for bringing back FUN to my snowboard turns. I'm so incredibly thankful! Please, keep on doing this, You are a true Master Shifu of snowboarding 🙏🙏
Dude..... Crazy thing to write!! Thank you so much! I'm very happy to hear that I left an impact. My very goal is to get people to re-think snowboarding! The lack of deeper knowledge out there is pretty wild... There are so many small things one could consider and instantly have a better day/setup/performance..... Thanks for the appreciation!! Spread the word! :-) ;-)
@@florianrahe6539 absolutely! He's adding a few little things, which I was going to do in separate videos. But I feel like we have very much a similar style and idea of turn shape...
Awesome!! So glad it was useful to you!! Share the love!! I have lots more eye openers on this channel regarding board choice, setup options and maintenance! 😊🤙🙏
I've ridden hard boots and alpine boards for more than 30 years now. When I started there were no instructors, no youtube, nothing, just friends. The concept that I needed to turn my upper body AWAY from the slope to actually engage more my edge, and thus turn more, and how much counter-intuitive that is, was the one that took me more years to understand properly. So kudos for explaining that slowly and properly!
When I learned snowboarding at like 13-ish(?) I actually experimented A LOT with angles and found that posi-posi was definitely the easiest way to generate power through my board. Especially as I came from being a fairly competent carver on skis already. I remember feeling so limited by having my back foot pointing the "wrong way" up the slope... Super interesting video that I will take with me next winter as I take up snoboarding again some 20 years later... :)
Makes total sense!! Most every skier who also rides that I know finds ++ much more efficient. There’s comfort in facing more down the hill. Love the comment! Thanks for sharing!
This is the best video I've ever seen about body balance and body positioning for carving posi/posi! Tomorrow is my last day on the slopes and I'm ready to move from 15/-6 to 24/3 🤘🏼
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Reporting back: started with 24/3, ended the day with 30/9. I don't know if it is because I've had some injuries in the past that made my mobility restricted, but I feel SO MUCH BETTER on the board with that new stance. Much easier to get in and out of turns during carves, I'm not ducking anymore. Many many thanks!
Damn dude, can’t believe I just found your channel today. Been watching your videos for like 2 hours now. You are so dialed into every aspect of snowboarding and are very good at explaining and breaking things down.
Wow! What a great thing to hear! Thank you very much for telling me that! This journey only just started! Stay tuned for more! :-) And share the love ;-)
Loved it! I wish Ryan Knapton chipped in on this with his comments/ opinions/ ideas/ challenges! This could be a start of an awesome conversation. Duck stance boi all the way here, btw.
Yeah, totally!! I think Ryan agrees with my general idea here. I’ve heard him say that he simply chooses duck to accommodate all his freestyle skills. He loves the spins, and being able to do those carves in both directions is obviously amazing! It paints a picture of ‘he can carve that well DESPITE the stance - not BECAUSE of the stance’. Wildly talented man.
As a snowboard instructor that has become a ski instructor too, I find it fascinating how this change in posture is morphing us into the dynamics/physics of a skier - for example the lateral separation at the hip has such crossover with skiing technique! Makes so much sense. Thanks for the detailed breakdown, so helpful in the quest for high performance carving.
I started learning in my 30s. I was on duck stance for 2 years and had hard time committing to toe side turn. A carving snowboarder suggested me double positive and my turns connected much more smoothly. I recommend for intermediate who want to improve turns and connect them well.
Absolutely love ( and totally agree ) with this series of videos 👍👏👏👏 considering the vast majority of people spend the vast majority of their riding time facing dominant foot forward why have your back foot facing in a direction that effectively locks your hips and shoulders in a closed position. Jeremy Jones says a good carve is controlled with open shoulders facing the direction of travel ( along the board ) NOT across the board. Please keep up the brilliant work 🙏👍👍
Fantastic videos. Completely agree about having 2 pathways. The first step is having the various associations recognise there are 2 different styles for different purposes.
Thank you! After watching over 100 videos with snowboarders from Japan who master carving very well, but who don't speak English and it was super hard to understand what they were saying and I was just watching the video, finally someone came who explained perfectly. Even if Ryan Knapton controls the board very well in the duck stance, I think that Kento (ToyFilms) does it more efficiently and dynamically, which is what I saw you do too, which is why I thank you for explaining everything so well . Keep it like this!
That's probably why Ryan need extra wide board... Ryan Knapton's style is unique and wonderful, but yeah, if carving is your thing, this would be more efficient. However to dip into freestyle type of carving Ryan does, I think duck stance actually make sense. But going into freeride and racing route, double positives is the way to go.
This is awesome and explains a lot! Even after riding 35+ years, I'm still learning. I've gone to posi posi the past few years and everything you talk about makes sense. Thanks for the great vids!
Awesome Video! In surfing they call the duck stance the poo man. Posi Posi is the norm for experienced surfers it opens up the hips and lets them see where they are going.
Poo man! 🤣 Just recently watched a video by a surf coach completely dragging poo man through the poo. It’s so funny…. Hahaha! He was referring to that poop squat stance, and the effects in surfing are exactly the same as in snowboarding…. Yup, open the hips! 🤙
Lars, good to connect with you over the past few days. Ive been on this journey for a few seasons now, and it's completely changed the way i look at the mointain. Im going to go out on a limb here and say that this is THE best english language carving video on the internet right now and will greatly benefit many people on the same "path to enlightenment." You're much farther along the path than I am, but the one comment i can make is the lack of mention of stance width. I've found that the more positive I go, the more i appreciate narrowing my stance a bit. What are your thoughts? Thanks again. You're really hitting on something here.
Wow, big words, Josh! Thank you so much! Yes, nice chatting to you about boards!! I'm with you on the stance width thing; same here: more posi, less width. That's another biomechanics thing. Since the feet when mounted posi/posi are more behind each other than next to each other, the width needs to change in order to keep pressure on the entire sole of each foot. If you're too wide, the back foot heel will simply lift up when launching into the nose... Therefore in racing people rock (or used to rock!) heel and toe canting (toe on the front foot, heel on the backfoot). I left out stance width entirely, because that'll be its own episode. 25 minutes are already way too long for my liking, hahaha... Thanks for the support! Love it!! 🙏
Haha oh man, until these vids I’ve been using RUclips’s auto translate feature on lots of Japanese and Korean vids. It’s so bad and hard to follow so I’m stoked to finally have quality vids in English 🙏
This year is 40 years of turning for me. You are correct- the first thing you learn and the last thing you master is the turn. I spent all day last Sunday adjusting angles and experimenting with a new board. For me +27 +9 allows for the most flexibility. It balances your ability to open your shoulders to the fall line while keeping enough cross-board flexibility to switch to slashy pow swivels. My daughter has been involved with the Park City Ride program for four years now and is focusing on body positioning and angulation with her coach. But this is a season long program. Most riders will never get that level of attention sadly. Second only to bottomless pow, making pencil lines is what I chase. I wish more people knew what they were missing.
As someone that feels/felt like they were an advanced boarder, this video is enlightening. I have been riding less park as Im in my early 40s. Im interested in dialing in my carving and the bit about the euro carving and the smile you had on your face laughing at all of us boarders that think we can carve was priceless. Truly amazing content that I will certainly rewatch.
My favorite posi posi carver is Kazunori Hirama. And my favorite duck stance carver is Ryan Knapton. Both are so good at their style. I can't pick which one to go for. At first I was like ok I will go for duck, so I can also ride switch and do some spin and butter. Then I look at Kazunori Hirama who has F36° B27°, and he is able to carve switch so well with posi posi. He butter so well while carving too, and he spins like a tornado lol.
Kazunori Hirama rips carves switch with a double posi stance and a directional board - proof you can really do anything with any setup, it's all about tradeoffs.
Would have any Kazunori Hirama (or anyone else) video - where they carve switch with double posi stance for more than 2-3 turns in a row? I chkecked a few videos of him and in all of them he rides switch just for 1-2 turns at most.
This is the best video I've ever seen on snowboard turning technique! I've been snowboarding for 30 years, originally being taught +/+ (but that soon changed in the UK BASI system to +/- in the 90s). Been playing with +/+ again for the last few years, mostly inspired by Japanese riders (and latterly Korua & Swoard) and I'm certainly guilty of the "eurocarving" hand dragging errors ;) This video makes it very clear - can't wait to try these ideas on the snow! Many thanks to @malcolmmoore for giving a pointer to your channel (and for all the great videos he puts out !)
So cool to hear this!! Did you ride with Neil McNabb? He's a snowboard fiend to me. Been chatting a bunch with him over the years. Yeah, the hand thing is huge! The difference it makes to not break at the waist in a toe turn is wild...... @malcolmmoore is crushing it!! Glad he found my channel and we got in touch.
@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Yep, did a McNab course in 2004 in Argentiere, mixed backcountry and piste technique, great week! Know people who did a heli trip in Russia with him :o Another friend is having lessons with @malcolmmoore over New year :)
Hey@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel- just seen from another video of yours that you're in Fernie ? If so, I'm out there for 2 weeks from Jan 6th on a NonStop course. I've just had a great week with Clarence Gagnon in Cervinia with NonStop who is also a Stranda ambassador. Any chance you'd be up for a private lesson on the whole +/+ thing ?!? Love to try a Cheater too if there's anywhere to rent one in Fernie. LMK and we'll take it offline - Cheers, Simon :)
@@simegeorge Ha! That is so good! Clarence!! :-) Great guy! We've been friends for years. Yeah, PM me: lars.justaride@gmail.com I'll probably have a Cheater for you to demo.
My brother, this video was brilliant and so are you. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said in this video including most of all the quote “turning, the first thing you learn, the last thing you master”. I’ve been riding for over 30 years and the journey continues. Thank you so much for this, it’s invaluable and I’ve learned and reconfirmed so many things. You’ve given me a me fo be confidence. ✌🏾&💜 -Seal.
I started snowboarding with posi posi 30 years ago. Ten years ago, after a long break, I moved to duck angles due to pressure from the crowd (no one rode my old way). I managed, but there was no fun, and the angles became more and more positive every year. Thanks for this video; I will return to my youth as an old guy.
I’m so pleased to see videos like this coming out. When I started out back in the early 90’s posi/posi is how we rode. I had one VHS tape that talked about ‘sitting’ turns with a more side-on stance, and ‘steering’ turns with a forward open stance. I used to practice these with a ski pole held level in front, ‘steering’ like a bike and getting my hips into it. My mates called me ‘bird man’ for swooping around with my arms either side. Then I spent a day with a French guide who insisted I rode duck and deconstructed everything. I wasted a couple of years trying to make that work but half the time I just twisted my back knee up trying to go forward and tuck it in behind my front knee. I went back mild posi and have gone more so over time. Various boot / boardwidth and kit issues have made me look further into overhang and stance angles along the way. I started watching @malcommoore vids 👍👍 eagerly as he also explains technique so well, and tried to apply some principles to my own stance, as well as learning those techniques, so now I tend to mix up some sideways stance for slower turns and lumpy terrain, and forward for carving. I’ve recently watched some Korua vids which have reaffirmed my inclination to re-learn and commit more to forward stance, but this here is even more detailed and really inspires me and vindicates that further still. It won’t be for everyone but this is exactly what I needed to see to help build my knowledge and hopefully improve. Such clear explanations and demonstrations. Thank you!!!!
This is so awesome!! Thanks for that comment. I'm very happy I could help. You almost describe my own pathway.... started in 1992. Posi/posi in ski boots... hahahaha. Becoming an instructor deconstructed all the posi stuff and literally portrayed it as it 'wrong'!! Quite unbelievable! I slowly went back to it - then with a deeper understanding gained through reflection and loys of video analysis! Malcolm is great. He just found my channel and emailed me this morning. This is good stuff!! :-) Thanks for watching and commenting. Made my day!
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel The first time I ever tried boarding was after skiing for three days. All they had to hire was an assymetric alpine board using the same ski boots! Soft boots hadn’t reached that part of Italy yet! 😆. I’m 60 now and for me I have no interest at my age in switch or anything much else asides carving and powder, it’s always been about the turn for me. And control. But I think it’s great to understand these two different approaches and find what works for us as individuals. And maybe use them both, each in different situations. Thanks again. 👍
Finally someone made correct video about carving technic.😉 But all people should know one think if they want carving is you must do mobility trening for carving it's so important to not look like the Hunchback of Notre Dame on the snowboard 😆
Been snowboarding duck stance for as long as I've been on a board (about 7 ish years), this week I went +24/+4 and had THE best riding experience to date, carves felt locked! Will never go back :)
Epic! Hahaha, I love this! I don't actually care how anybody sets up their gear. But it's so funny how this stance, which is the OG snowboard stance, simply got pushed off the map, and so many people, who end up trying it at some point, are super stoked about it... :-) It is a wild world! Thanks for the feedback!!
I need to try, I’m riding +15/-9, looking at my boars, saying to myself ‘this is the time’ 😂. I’l try +15/+6 I’m almost always in technical terrain (ice coast), hope it help being less bumped around when I try to lock a turn at high speed in difficult terrain. Edit: I have ONE picture of myself in the 90’s, and I was posi/posi… what happened 😂
@@johnbartender3451 I usually snowboard mogully terrain and even +24/+4 worked like a charm. But I did start out at +0 on the rear so building it up is adviced
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel oh yeah it is indeed! It's really fascinating that I actually had superior edge feel in posi posi and actually felt more comfortable in variable terrain. Especially the shift from pivoting at the hip/squatting to almost "sitting down in a chair" when leaning into corners is so confidence inspiring.
@@alastor1052 yeah man ✌️. So since my last reply I’m +15/+9 and love it. This is very true that I get more hips mobility and imo less strain on the knees. I’l experiment with more angle In the foresail future. It makes total sense for freeride.
Wow… this is the most comprehensive snowboard carving technique video out there! Thanks so much for sharing your expertise. So many click bait snowboard videos out there not showing techniques in depth or teach carving based on freestyle rather than free ride perspective. How is riding through the trees w/ posi posi angles?? Also have you seen Ryan Knapton carve like a ninja with a duck stance?? It defies all logic.
Thank you, James! That's a great compliment!! As I said, tight, technical terrain can work better with less aggressive forward angles. Depends a bit on ability level. In regards to Ryan Knapton: he's an animal! It's amazing what he does! However... he's a unicorn in the grand scheme: he doesn't ride steeps in any video, his personal pro model made for him has an 18m radius. In order for him to get that high on edge in such mellow terrain he needs this large radius to actually carry enough speed. A tighter turning board would simply come around too quickly for all the things he does and completely kill all speed/momentum on a mellow pitch. I'm fairly certain that he'd have to leave his ducked out freestyle position once he'd enter steep groomers. Here in Fernie, BC, things are steep... An 18m board would only bend far enough, if it had a giant effective edge, like being over 2m long (that'll be another episode here.....: sidecut, radius, effective edge and turn size). Then you could bend it into a turn tight enough to fit on steep narrow groomers. I'm not sure he could ride his board in his style on our hill. But dang, yes, he's a ninja, for sure!!
You know what? That makes a lot of sense… a huge radius allows him to gain that speed and get low on the gentle runs… I ride +18 -6 and find that is a good balance b/w carving and having tight control through the trees. I’m a bit hesitant to run a posi posi b/c it will compromise on that back leg control. I’m an advanced rider that’s lazy sometimes and use back leg steering through tight trees… but maybe one day! Especially now that you’ve corrected my mistake of trying to put my right hand down when carving on toe edge! Can’t wait to try out your technique next week when the slopes open!
I’m right now watching loads of RUclips vids to get the most info possible prior to start snowboarding next season. Being on the very “science” side of things in life, you are the best that I’ve come across to explain the “art” of snowboarding. Very technical but very well explained at the same time. Loving it! Thanks.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel yea, being an old dude that rode snowboard an era ago I’m looking at all info available to chose the right equipment and using the right setting to go easy on my “high mileage body ». Back then my board was a Kemper board (mid 90’) 😂 We were riding with Sorel boots! 🤣🤣. I sound like my grand father now… Yes, I will obviously check out your video library! Pretty excited to start riding with me kids now! Quick question: I’m 5-11, 195lbs, 10.5 street show size. Since I’m a beginner (I guess I will quickly be a good beginner, my brain still remember how to turn), must I choose the board with my weight first (I’m no feather, so leaning toward longer 160 boards) or better choose on the short side (156-158) even if they are rated for lighter people…? My style? Goofing around a resort in Easter Canada. Small jumps, beginners “carving” on mellow slopes, trying to do butters and stuff without bitting ground too hard.
Finally someone explaining in details this style of riding! Now I don't have to rely on japanese and koreans tutorials, while I don't understand nothing in those langauges :D
I think this is the only (I mean it , Only) video out of around more than 100 snowboard videos i have watched, that explains the body position clearly and in a way that human can understand. The chest position explaination really spark me and make me clear for a lot of questions that why my board skidded even when it was inclined a lot. Keep going, i will definately watch as much as i can!
I was traveling for work recently, in California, and Tahoe received 98" of snow. I took advantage of the conditions and rented a board. I requested +21, +6. One of the techs at the rental shop yelled "Wow! Double posi! that's crazy". When I was younger I would ride +36 +18. It amazes me that double posi has become something that is a bit of a rarity.
I learned and started snowboarding 35 years ago. It was in that time only double positive. I have never changed that although I brought the angles back from 36 front and 30 back to now 27 front and 21 back. I have a Kessler all mountain board which you need to drive without hesitation and with dedication. I still board + 80km a day on my age of 61. Carving all day.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Tomorrow I'm going to test two posi stances: 33/18 and yours 30/3, last time i rode in 27/12 and it was amazing experience. Need to find best angles for knees🙃 But asian style f40+b30+ I think it's so weird😁
Yeah mon! Ive ridden since ‘88 and even had a recreational hard boot set up for a few years in the early 90’s. THIS content was helpful, especially as I’ve started playing more with making rounder, carved turns like this . I live in Steamboat so it’s easy to get playful/lazy and not pay attention to the full edge groove
🤯 Whhhaaaattt!! I had no idea. I've been riding 12/12 wide forever thinking it was the way and at the same time wondering why I can't heelside carve as slick as those Japanese crews. Thanks heaps for the great info.
I love posi posi and I'd say 99% of my riding is in that stance. I learned to ride in the early 90s and really it seemed like everyone was riding posi posi back then. I ride +27 +12 most of the time but will drop to -6 if going to be spending a lot of time dodging trees. It just feels more agile somehow. I'm 52yrs now with a few decades of sporting injuries that have added up and really any kind of negative rear angle just makes my knee sore so it's a very rare park session, perhaps on bad weather day, when I'll go negative.
Rider in his early 50s here with an engineering career and a hard plateau on my turns. This video is exactly what the doctor ordered on improving turns and getting the most out of the posi/posi stance. Thanks and keep the videos coming.
This was such a great video. My knee hates a positive angle in the rear. Also with the terrain i ride and the fact I never have a day when im not in the air i stay 21, -6. I still find I can ‘mostly’ get into these carving positions.
This is my second season on a snowboard, I knew from the first day that I wanted to learn carving. Started with +18 -6 just changed it to +27+6 and it was a game changer for me. my heelside turn improved drastically. posi posi seems a much more natural stance for me, I feel much more comfortable. thanks you for this video!
As an older rider I’ve been experimenting with positive angles, as my freestyle days are behind me. This has been really helpful insight on how I need to adapt my riding style
Hola Lars, you are the best. Your description of the differences in technique between duckstance and forward posi is an enlightenment for me. I've been on the board for over 20 years but have only been trying to improve my carving technique in the last two seasons. And I still find it difficult to get really deep. I know most of what you say, but you manage to tie the loose threads together into a bigger picture. Awesome! I've searched the whole internet up and down for that. But all I can find in English is Duckstance Carving or Eurocarve Laydown Madness. If you're looking for elegant surfy carving, you'll only find it in the Asian channels. But unfortunately I don't understand a word there :). Your channel is amazing. Can't wait to hear more carving nerdism from you. So long
Wow, such a nice comment!! Thank you very much! I was in the same place ten years ago... So I figured it all out myself to this degree with a few pointers from alpine carving world (racing). Still some learning happening, but I feel like I've been able to break it down to a large degree. Awesome to see that I'm helping people now!! :-)
Thank you for taking the time to discuss the topic so thoroughly. You did an incredible job. Please keep on nerding our for the benefit of the rest of us. You address all points in perfect detail. Thank you, again.
Wow, very cool to hear that you think so. I'm sure I forgot something... Snowboard carving is seemingly a mix of science and art. It's so complicated and looks so effortless when done well....
I really like how you explain the pros and cons of the techniques analytically and show what it means in practice. It was interesting how you explain the benefits of low angles for ankle steering and low speed riding. That's one of the main reasons why I like to carve with duck stance and only go posi-posi if I want to have a full on charging session. That's when I grab my hardboot (modified touring boots actually) setup and go +52/+45 angles with a 247mm waist EC board. I also like how you describe duck as extreme. I agree, but if you compare it to skwall (in part #1), you should use +90/-90 angles for the duck. 😉 I ride +21/-21 and I've even experimented with +25/-25 hardboot setup and it worked just fine (but didn't make much sense). The reason why I go 21° with my current setup is to limit bootout. For my next custom board, I'd like to have a bit more torsional flex than what I currently have so the ankle steering benefits of duck stance could be better put to use. As you mentioned, it's always a compromise but for me doing a clean laid down heelside carve on a 29° pitch groomer with duck stance is enough most days. I did have one run this season where I hoped I had my posi-posi hardboot setup. That's here if the timestamp works: ruclips.net/video/4vJT4fx4UQ4/видео.html Probably could have managed to do a cleaner run if I wasn't that intimidated by the slope. I didn't use enough hip rotation or nose pressuring there. It was the first time I rode that slope ever. Posi-posi setup would have given me the needed confidence. My switch riding is not anything special at the moment but the plan is to do laid downs both ways in a couple of seasons. One comment about your duck stance heelside illustration, with double posi illustration you are opening your hips but with your duck stance example you are not doing that. If you would do that, it would put you into a position where you could use the lateral flex of the bindings/boots to pressure the nose. That's also the reason why in my opinion you don't want to have too stiff interface laterally for deep duck carving. You need that flex to do the fore/aft movement and stiffer flex edge to edge. Your posi-posi teachings are spot on but what I'd like to underline is that you can apply those teachings to duck stance carving as well but it will be much harder than with posi-posi. That's why my philosophy is to learn posi-posi in order to learn to carve duck better. 😅
Great comment!!! Yes, you're right. I'm not rotating in my duck demo! Basically I was trying to show that the one stance already puts you into a more open position, while the other one makes it quite a long way to open up. This video follows part #2, in which I elaborate on duck. In that video I do the demonstration and I also show the effect of that rotation in a duck stance. Maybe check that one out. My whole point is finding what is most efficient. So you're saying the right thing: it's possible but much harder in a duck stance! I'm speaking to a crowd that really needs tips (much less reflected and experienced than you are) and to a crowd that isn't interested in riding much freestyle stuff, and I basically try to put out the idea of changing it up - because I truly believe that there's no benefit in duck, if you don't use it to ride switch. 0° on the back foot for an intermediate non switch rider, who doesn't want to commit to only carving is much more comfortable and requires less twisting, so why not?! I love your take on these things and the way to bring them across without offending anyone or me in particular. People can learn this from you! Just had a terrible experience with someone, haha...
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Yeah it's easy to get into can of worms discussions with these topics in social media at least. The thing is that many people get defensive about their style even if the discussion is more about trying to understand the "why" part of the topic. The #1 thing I like about your vids is that you tell the why. If people still get offended, that's on them. Anyways, my point with the duck stance rotation stuff is that I'm sure you hear a lot of "but I want to ride duck". If you can convince those people to try the hip rotation with their preferred angles, they might just realize it works and who knows if they would like to try posi-posi next. People are generally lazy and want to stick to their habits unless they have reason not to (I know I was that guy). I did watch all the 3 parts but I kind of forgot about the part 2 when I commented here. I went back and watched the rotation part again. The thing with the duck stance hip rotation bit is that you were talking about neutral position which for duck is pointing towards the toe edge more or less. What you said about the hip rotation and demonstrated that being part of the turn initiation is absolutely correct. So my point is that what you could do is tell people to apply that movement for their heel edge turns. That way they could apply your teaching to their duck stance riding if they don't want to go posi-posi for whatever reason. Now it comes across as rotation being bad for duck stance because it's bad for the neutral position. One funny thing that happened recently is that I convinced my wife to try posi-posi and she loved it almost instantly but that lead to an interesting case where she couldn't end the turn. She was rotating during heelside turns like I had told her to do when she first rode with duck stance and then the posi-posi heelside turn just kept going on. Of course it was easy to solve that by telling her to stop the rotation but in my opinion it illustrates how with duck stance you have to purposely rotate and keep doing that while with posi-posi it kinda happens naturally like you also described. As far as the comfort is concerned, I think it's very personal. For me my back knee starts to hurt when riding posi-posi while I can ride +21/-21 duck pretty much as long as I want (if we are talking about all-mountain stuff, if I charge hard I can "only" do like 3 sessions per week). The posi-posi back knee problem might be due to bad setup though. James hinted that back foot canting might help. I did try that at some point but that was when I was still in the early learning phases. In any case posi-posi stance has always felt awkward for me and it still does but there's no denying that it gives me much stronger heelside carves and it was totally necessary for me to learn the correct rotation technique which I now use in my duck riding.
@@xargo6454 another great comment!! Thanks man!! I really appreciate this! What you're pointing out about part 2 is totally correct. It's so difficult to think of every possible way the content can be understood.... What I demonstrated in regards to the neutral position was supposed to bring across that most people in a symm. duck stance tend to get into a rotated position automatically and at all times, because they don't feel safe riding that sideways. So then what they think is neutral actually twists the board... Does that make sense?
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Yeah it does and I'm sure every duck rider has had that sensation of board "turning on its own" at some point and that is most probably caused by what you described.
Wow, that's awesome! I love that board.... mine is going into season #5 and still going strong. I ride it a lot. They're so durable in regards to the flex, amazing! Thanks for watching and commenting! I appreciate it!
Thanks for this great video with that amount of technical tips. I've found myself standing in my room checking for my position mistakes, and just thinking about next time on the slopes getting your advices to improve my carving (the hand one just made me :o ).
A perfect articulation of the riding technique in posi posi. Everything you said aligns with my learnings over the last 20+ years. I found it super easy to transition from posi posi to duck. Others that went the other way struggled. In the last few years I've seen soft boot riders laying down carves that rival hard boot riders. The new boards, bindings and boots are a huge improvement. More reason to teach both styles of riding.
Great tutorial. I love the way you break it down technically. May I add that one needs to pick a board accordingly in order to optimize carving performances. Too soft a flex or torsionnal stifness, and the board will chatter before the turn's exit; so as far as I am concerned, carving requires a stiffer board. Also, manufacturers seem to aim more at the duck stance crowd. They refer to their reference stances as a starting point for bindings setups, but I find these reference stances uncompatible with double positive stance (way too wide), for they restrict hip movement. On a personnal note, going past my +18/+6 degrees/20'' to 21'' wide stance makes it difficult to do jump turns in steep chutes, so I think I found my sweet spot for freeriding. That being said, people need to understand the compromises they make by going with more radical double positive stances.
The stiffness needs to be in the centre of the board. Torsionally a board needs stiffness for proper carving. The tips on such a board, however, need to bend to produce the turn shape. Too stiff of a nose is not a good idea. Since stiffness depends on rider weight and ability, it's nothing I wanted to add here. It's just another variable. Otherwise, I totally agree with what you're saying.👍
Yes, that is true. And that is also not true. The fact that I can stand there and demonstrate things while talking is good for some things that in action would drown in the quickness and complexity of the movement patterns while riding. I figured a few photos and some riding sequences would do the job. Maybe I can figure out good ways to bring them n more to of that. I find often it takes an advanced eye to actually see, analyze and understand what’s going on when simply filmed in action.
Difficult to be more true and clear. I have exactly the same feeling than you for the difference between the FSTurn (more on the the rear leg) and the BSTurn (more on the front leg). I would say that i initaite my FSTurn by pointing out my rear knee and initaite my BSTurn by pushing out my front hip. My angles are generally 42°/12° Swoard Stoke board (field tester), Now bindings and Fitwell "SoftBoots" :) The stiffness of the boots looks to be also a keypoint, essentially for the frontside turn. Very happy to hear something else than bullshit about carving :)
Haha, thanks, Xavier! :-) The topic is wild in the online world. Lot's of nonsense. Lots of misconception. Very few instructors in snow schools, who are able to teach double posi technique or advanced carving all together. And I'm not saying that to be negative. It is what it is. Took me a long time to figure out these things mostly by myself with a few key pointers here and there. Hnece, I'm not 100% certain that I'm entirely correct with what I'm trying to explain. I do initiate every turn in the front. And on the toe edge always with ankles and knees - but very quickly followed by the hips. On the heel edge it's much more just hips since the ankle and knee don't flex towards the heel edge... I do push both knees to the heel edge, however. And bot stiffness bothers me more on the heel edge. I can feel the boot fold laterally sometimes. It might be movement of the boot in the binding, though. Not sure. Thanks for the comment!!
I just discovered your video through a random link. Wow, this is by far the most complete and easy to understand explanation of how body positioning affects your edgework in the two different orientations. I haven't seen another video that brings the concept of the "freestyle" stance vs the "posi-posi" stance together so well. I've watched countless hours of Japanese carving tutorials which explain the benefits of positive stances as well as our Western counterparts which arent as consistent in explanation, but your video really brings the two worlds together. Kudos and definitely subscribing. edit: Just one suggestion--if you had filmed this video while you were standing on the board behind you that might help a bit visually! Im sure the more advanced riders have no issue understanding this but maybe it would help the more novices watchers. Cheers!
You made my day! Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and for such a great compliment! I hope you'll find more insightful stuff here! Thanks for subscribing! Share the love ;-)
This is a terrific breakdown and it totally makes sense! It’s the same way in surfing to stack weight more front footed in a more open stance for better turning 🤙🏼
Thank you Lars. I started later in life in learning to board and have been aspiring to carve better. I’ve watched many videos but your instructions on debunking the hands on ground technique has really changed my shredding life. It’s been day2 of learning your technique and I’m already seeing vast improvements in my carving. Thank you for sharing that “unfortunate truth”😊.
Great video... I've been easing my way towards posi-posi, I'm at +24/-6 and I feel the desire to go further. You've inspired me, I'm gonna start with +24/0 tomorrow maybe notch my way up after a few runs.
Love your videos! I used to do a lot of downhill skate boarding and the double posi stance is very similar to a race tuck and the grabs for turns are very similar too. With downhill skating you typically put your hands on the ground to get some weight off the wheels to initiate a slide, seems like you might lose some edge pressure trying that on a snowboard
Thanks! Well, I wouldn't say it's 'wrong' to ride duck for carving. But it simply has a lower limit depending on terrain and the desired turn shape. Glad you got some new ideas out of my video!
I've been thinking of doing some snowboarding again and these new boards and stances are why. The double positive stance changes the motion to a more skiing like turn motion and reduces the pressure on the front foot. Very interesting thing I am 100% going to try. 😊
Posi stances are not new. They’re the OG way to ride. When done right, they don’t reduce front foot pressure. Go play with it! Glad to hear you’re inspired!!
Hi Lars! I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for sharing your incredible knowledge! The clarity and depth of your explanations on snowboard carving with a ++ stance are unparalleled! I haven't found anything else like it on the internet in the English language. There are many snowboarders in Japan & Korea using a similar style (calling it Asian technical riding), but it is very hard to really learn something from it... You are on the right path with this channel! I personally have been riding with a 36/24 angle setup for the past few years, and it is the only way I could get my hips into the snow. Knapton has a great channel explaining snowboard carving in-depth, but with a duck stance, which is completely different... Please consider creating a series of videos focusing on ++ snowboard carving. Your expertise could benefit so many riders out there looking to enhance their ++ carving technique. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and passion with us! You've got a new fan and subscriber!
I’ve been watching a lot of videos and trying to lay down my first carve.. your channel and the amazing content you are producing helped me learn how to put the board on its edge and use it as it was designed to be used ! Very thankful and please keep making this videos for us !! ✌️✌️
Thank you for the video! Have been carving super deep for the last two seasons with heavy double positive angles on a softboard 27 back 45 front and it was great but not so great for my back hip! This season started to reduce angles again and am now riding 0° and 27° and feel very comfortable. A stance i can also comfortably ride on kickers and in powder and less internal rotation on my back hip --> no pain 🤙 enjoy your turns!
"unfortunate truth, sorry..."(for the Euro carve hands on ground myth)🤣for great informative content like this, I forgive you for break the party. PS. great great content, I wish I found you earlier! This is so enlightening and informative, suddenly things start to make sense! And interestingly for so many years snowboarding and web surfing, I found no one mentioning this at all! Thank you!
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Definitely will. Meanwhile, Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to you, and don't forget to share valuable insights to us in the new year. 😄
I've been riding since 2002, like to think I'm pretty advanced, but I've been riding duck the whole time! Trying out double posi this season, +20 and +5 since I do still want small movements with the rear foot to easily translate energy
@jacobseeman23 Jeremy's big mountain riding style is primarily what I'm aiming at actually. One of the main riders I look up to along with Xavier de la Rue and Krister Kopala
After an approx. 15 year brake, I will Go snowboarding again. I wonder what I missed in these years. It is strange to see this discussion about stance and people promoting positive stance for carving. 15 years ago it was clear for me, that there are generally two kinds of snowboarder, the ones who carve and the ones having fun with tricks. And both need to use different stance.I was interested in "clean snowboarding", so the teacher showed me to control the edges and slowly improve carving. I really liked the carving feeling and tried to paint thin lines in the snow. Speed control by closing the curves. I will ride my hard boots with step in binding again and have something one would call nowadays a race board. Looks like I'm pretty old school. When I talked to younger snowboarders these days, I had the feeling that they didn't understand, what I meant when I spoke about carving. It seems, that this has been lost due to fun riding. And now it's being found again.
Same here!! I, as well, am in disbelief. Hence the video. You’re 100% correct: two different stances produce two different techniques for two different purposes. There’s a grey zone in between, but that’s about it.
I started learning how to carve a year ago on duck stance and struggled to understand what I needed to do to carve with higher angles. Appreciated the depth and detail you went into the mechanics of every movement. I haven't been able to find much information about the differences between duck stance and double positive stance until this video! Thank you again, and I think I'm now armed with enough knowledge to try double positive stance. Hopefully the adjustment won't be too difficult 😅
Thanks!! Well, you can still carve in a duck stance. It’s about the limits and efficiency of the position for directional riding/carving and about the different techniques every stance requires. Maybe you should also take a lesson eventually. Of course changing binding angles alone will not make you carve perfectly clean pencil lines… 😊 Good luck on your journey! It’s well worth it to experiment with different stances and techniques.
How was your first day or two riding the new stance? Did you figure it out kinda quick or did it taker plenty of practice just for the angles to feel normal?
@@shawnsmith7518 I haven't tried it yet but planning to maybe this weekend but I would imagine it would take me a day or two to adjust .. would probably try this on greens first lol
Thanks for the video i’ve been looking to test different stances, and as a medecine student i love your explainations of biomecanic of snowboarding, it makes more sens for me now
Really enjoy your videos. Very well done, easy to understand and helpful. I like how you describe the advantages/disadvantages of different set-ups and encourage trying out what works for individuals and styles of riding. I'm an all mountain rider but I have two boards ... a directional board which I normally have set at +21/+6 and a twin which I ride at +15/-15. I ride both all over the mountain but, depending on the terain and conditions, I choose to ride the twin when focusing more on switch, butters and park and my directional board the rest of the time (focusing on carving, powder and trees, which is my real passion 🌲 🏂🌲). Thought your comment about snowboard lessons being split into riding styles (after beginner stage) was really good. Thanks for the videos. 👍
I learned and trained in the 'snow school' way where duck stance was believed to provide the stability to ride our local terrains (tight trees, moguls, etc). I have always find it challenging to stack my body over the heel edge when I carve - perhaps the double posi stance + the right technique could change things? :) This video is super informative and inspiring. Thanks for the video and for bringing diversity to the community!
LARS!!! I crossed the line this weekend with 5cm of fresh snow on the groomers. YEEWWW! I went +18 +3 Felt good on side hits, carving, and moguls on our black hill. ( a Blue in most places), but its the best we have.LOL. I usually ride 21 0 so not much change but definalty noticable. Going to open front to 21 to get more forward pressure on the nose of my @Wiredsnowboards Recon with Jones Mercury bindings in surf mode.
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I need to experiment with posi angles more! This video is fantastic.
Hey Malcolm, that is so great to hear!! Thanks for watching!! Means a lot to me.
Yes, let's touch base, for sure! I'll shoot you an email!
That would be a big stylistic change. Id like to see how you feel about it with they way you ride (very well of course).
I'm a big fan of the content both of you put out. You're both concise and easy to understand. @malcolmmoore would love hear how your experiments go.
Especially for those of with longish legs, it's hard to deny the difference in the amount of weight you can stack over the board in a double posi stance. For me, it feels like turning has been reinvented in a way that feels even more fun. How is that possible?!? So much to learn.... Thank you both for the great lessons.
@@coreyrobinson983 Thanks, Corey!! Much appreciated!!
You musnt be afraid of the dark side. In riding 33, 15 and it’s fabulous
Holy mother of turns! No body...and I mean - NO BODY...talks about this, and I was at the point when I thought I've hit a wall with my snowboard carvs. I was even trying get back to the basics and still, I've felt LOCKED with my position, boots and bidings. I was wandering what is wrong? Is that it for me?
This video is a holy grail for me. Thank You so much for bringing back FUN to my snowboard turns. I'm so incredibly thankful! Please, keep on doing this, You are a true Master Shifu of snowboarding 🙏🙏
Dude.....
Crazy thing to write!!
Thank you so much!
I'm very happy to hear that I left an impact. My very goal is to get people to re-think snowboarding! The lack of deeper knowledge out there is pretty wild... There are so many small things one could consider and instantly have a better day/setup/performance..... Thanks for the appreciation!! Spread the word! :-) ;-)
This Masterpiece + The Secrets of Snowboard Carving by James Cherry is a gamechanger for me
Thank you!! Yeah that guy rips!!
I just wanted to recommend that video too. Both of you speaking of literally the same.
@@florianrahe6539 absolutely! He's adding a few little things, which I was going to do in separate videos. But I feel like we have very much a similar style and idea of turn shape...
This video is super eye opening. I started getting interested in posi posi stance last year and had not heard such a great explanation until now.
Awesome!! So glad it was useful to you!!
Share the love!! I have lots more eye openers on this channel regarding board choice, setup options and maintenance! 😊🤙🙏
I've ridden hard boots and alpine boards for more than 30 years now. When I started there were no instructors, no youtube, nothing, just friends.
The concept that I needed to turn my upper body AWAY from the slope to actually engage more my edge, and thus turn more, and how much counter-intuitive that is, was the one that took me more years to understand properly.
So kudos for explaining that slowly and properly!
Thanks, that’s great!!!
When I learned snowboarding at like 13-ish(?) I actually experimented A LOT with angles and found that posi-posi was definitely the easiest way to generate power through my board. Especially as I came from being a fairly competent carver on skis already. I remember feeling so limited by having my back foot pointing the "wrong way" up the slope...
Super interesting video that I will take with me next winter as I take up snoboarding again some 20 years later... :)
Makes total sense!! Most every skier who also rides that I know finds ++ much more efficient. There’s comfort in facing more down the hill.
Love the comment! Thanks for sharing!
This is the best video I've ever seen about body balance and body positioning for carving posi/posi! Tomorrow is my last day on the slopes and I'm ready to move from 15/-6 to 24/3 🤘🏼
@@RodrigoeBeta thank you so much!! I’m glad it made sense! Have fun.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Reporting back: started with 24/3, ended the day with 30/9. I don't know if it is because I've had some injuries in the past that made my mobility restricted, but I feel SO MUCH BETTER on the board with that new stance. Much easier to get in and out of turns during carves, I'm not ducking anymore. Many many thanks!
@@RodrigoeBeta haha, the duck got driven out! :-) Glad it worked!!
Damn dude, can’t believe I just found your channel today. Been watching your videos for like 2 hours now. You are so dialed into every aspect of snowboarding and are very good at explaining and breaking things down.
Wow! What a great thing to hear! Thank you very much for telling me that!
This journey only just started! Stay tuned for more! :-) And share the love ;-)
Loved it!
I wish Ryan Knapton chipped in on this with his comments/ opinions/ ideas/ challenges! This could be a start of an awesome conversation.
Duck stance boi all the way here, btw.
Yeah, totally!! I think Ryan agrees with my general idea here. I’ve heard him say that he simply chooses duck to accommodate all his freestyle skills. He loves the spins, and being able to do those carves in both directions is obviously amazing! It paints a picture of ‘he can carve that well DESPITE the stance - not BECAUSE of the stance’. Wildly talented man.
As a snowboard instructor that has become a ski instructor too, I find it fascinating how this change in posture is morphing us into the dynamics/physics of a skier - for example the lateral separation at the hip has such crossover with skiing technique! Makes so much sense. Thanks for the detailed breakdown, so helpful in the quest for high performance carving.
Love this comment! Right on the money!!
Thanks for sharing that! I fully agree.
Skiing background vs skate boarding must have something to do with where we start this journey.
I started learning in my 30s. I was on duck stance for 2 years and had hard time committing to toe side turn. A carving snowboarder suggested me double positive and my turns connected much more smoothly. I recommend for intermediate who want to improve turns and connect them well.
your accent makes me trust you even more. you sound like you know what you're talking about and you do.keep up the good work :D
Hahaha…. The German is coming through with every word I say…
Thanks for the support!!
like a Texan talking about horses or a Hawaiian talking about surfboards, its authentic!
Absolutely love ( and totally agree ) with this series of videos 👍👏👏👏 considering the vast majority of people spend the vast majority of their riding time facing dominant foot forward why have your back foot facing in a direction that effectively locks your hips and shoulders in a closed position. Jeremy Jones says a good carve is controlled with open shoulders facing the direction of travel ( along the board ) NOT across the board. Please keep up the brilliant work 🙏👍👍
Thanks man!!!
Absolutely killing it with these tech videos. Nerd love from me! ❤
Uh! :-) So good to hear that, Luke!! Thank you so much!!
Fantastic videos. Completely agree about having 2 pathways. The first step is having the various associations recognise there are 2 different styles for different purposes.
Thank you!
After watching over 100 videos with snowboarders from Japan who master carving very well, but who don't speak English and it was super hard to understand what they were saying and I was just watching the video, finally someone came who explained perfectly.
Even if Ryan Knapton controls the board very well in the duck stance, I think that Kento (ToyFilms) does it more efficiently and dynamically, which is what I saw you do too, which is why I thank you for explaining everything so well .
Keep it like this!
I'm stoked that my content is working for you! Thanks for sharing your story!! Spread the love ;-)
That's probably why Ryan need extra wide board... Ryan Knapton's style is unique and wonderful, but yeah, if carving is your thing, this would be more efficient. However to dip into freestyle type of carving Ryan does, I think duck stance actually make sense. But going into freeride and racing route, double positives is the way to go.
@@anais4766 100% agreed. And there will always be exceptions...
The best explanation i ever heard!
Great content, I appreciate listening to someone else geek out about this stuff besides just me!
Awesome!! 🙌
This is awesome and explains a lot! Even after riding 35+ years, I'm still learning. I've gone to posi posi the past few years and everything you talk about makes sense. Thanks for the great vids!
So great to hear!! Thank you for commenting and watching! Share the channel ;-)
Awesome Video!
In surfing they call the duck stance the poo man. Posi Posi is the norm for experienced surfers it opens up the hips and lets them see where they are going.
Poo man!
🤣
Just recently watched a video by a surf coach completely dragging poo man through the poo. It’s so funny…. Hahaha! He was referring to that poop squat stance, and the effects in surfing are exactly the same as in snowboarding….
Yup, open the hips! 🤙
Lars, good to connect with you over the past few days. Ive been on this journey for a few seasons now, and it's completely changed the way i look at the mointain. Im going to go out on a limb here and say that this is THE best english language carving video on the internet right now and will greatly benefit many people on the same "path to enlightenment."
You're much farther along the path than I am, but the one comment i can make is the lack of mention of stance width. I've found that the more positive I go, the more i appreciate narrowing my stance a bit. What are your thoughts?
Thanks again. You're really hitting on something here.
Wow, big words, Josh! Thank you so much!
Yes, nice chatting to you about boards!!
I'm with you on the stance width thing; same here: more posi, less width. That's another biomechanics thing. Since the feet when mounted posi/posi are more behind each other than next to each other, the width needs to change in order to keep pressure on the entire sole of each foot. If you're too wide, the back foot heel will simply lift up when launching into the nose... Therefore in racing people rock (or used to rock!) heel and toe canting (toe on the front foot, heel on the backfoot).
I left out stance width entirely, because that'll be its own episode. 25 minutes are already way too long for my liking, hahaha...
Thanks for the support! Love it!! 🙏
Haha oh man, until these vids I’ve been using RUclips’s auto translate feature on lots of Japanese and Korean vids. It’s so bad and hard to follow so I’m stoked to finally have quality vids in English 🙏
The science behind stance setup. 👏🤯
It's real! :-)
This year is 40 years of turning for me. You are correct- the first thing you learn and the last thing you master is the turn. I spent all day last Sunday adjusting angles and experimenting with a new board. For me +27 +9 allows for the most flexibility. It balances your ability to open your shoulders to the fall line while keeping enough cross-board flexibility to switch to slashy pow swivels. My daughter has been involved with the Park City Ride program for four years now and is focusing on body positioning and angulation with her coach. But this is a season long program. Most riders will never get that level of attention sadly. Second only to bottomless pow, making pencil lines is what I chase. I wish more people knew what they were missing.
Great comment!! Thank you!
As someone that feels/felt like they were an advanced boarder, this video is enlightening. I have been riding less park as Im in my early 40s. Im interested in dialing in my carving and the bit about the euro carving and the smile you had on your face laughing at all of us boarders that think we can carve was priceless. Truly amazing content that I will certainly rewatch.
Haha, wasn’t trying to be condescending. But I couldn’t help it with that one… so many riders just dragging hands with no edge angle… 🤷♂️
My favorite posi posi carver is Kazunori Hirama. And my favorite duck stance carver is Ryan Knapton. Both are so good at their style. I can't pick which one to go for. At first I was like ok I will go for duck, so I can also ride switch and do some spin and butter. Then I look at Kazunori Hirama who has F36° B27°, and he is able to carve switch so well with posi posi. He butter so well while carving too, and he spins like a tornado lol.
Kazunori Hirama rips carves switch with a double posi stance and a directional board - proof you can really do anything with any setup, it's all about tradeoffs.
Would have any Kazunori Hirama (or anyone else) video - where they carve switch with double posi stance for more than 2-3 turns in a row? I chkecked a few videos of him and in all of them he rides switch just for 1-2 turns at most.
This is the best video I've ever seen on snowboard turning technique! I've been snowboarding for 30 years, originally being taught +/+ (but that soon changed in the UK BASI system to +/- in the 90s). Been playing with +/+ again for the last few years, mostly inspired by Japanese riders (and latterly Korua & Swoard) and I'm certainly guilty of the "eurocarving" hand dragging errors ;) This video makes it very clear - can't wait to try these ideas on the snow!
Many thanks to @malcolmmoore for giving a pointer to your channel (and for all the great videos he puts out !)
So cool to hear this!! Did you ride with Neil McNabb? He's a snowboard fiend to me. Been chatting a bunch with him over the years.
Yeah, the hand thing is huge! The difference it makes to not break at the waist in a toe turn is wild......
@malcolmmoore is crushing it!! Glad he found my channel and we got in touch.
@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel
Yep, did a McNab course in 2004 in Argentiere, mixed backcountry and piste technique, great week! Know people who did a heli trip in Russia with him :o Another friend is having lessons with @malcolmmoore over New year :)
Hey@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel- just seen from another video of yours that you're in Fernie ? If so, I'm out there for 2 weeks from Jan 6th on a NonStop course. I've just had a great week with Clarence Gagnon in Cervinia with NonStop who is also a Stranda ambassador. Any chance you'd be up for a private lesson on the whole +/+ thing ?!? Love to try a Cheater too if there's anywhere to rent one in Fernie. LMK and we'll take it offline - Cheers, Simon :)
@@simegeorge Ha! That is so good! Clarence!! :-) Great guy! We've been friends for years. Yeah, PM me: lars.justaride@gmail.com I'll probably have a Cheater for you to demo.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel awesome will do - very happy Xmas to you and yours :)
Excellent explanation of ++ angles!
So glad it made sense to you!! Thanks for watching! Share the love ;-)
I learned a lot from your series!! please keep uploading these tech videos!!🔥🔥
That's awesome!! Yes, I'll keep it going. You keep watching and feel free to share! :-) Thank you so much!!
My brother, this video was brilliant and so are you. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said in this video including most of all the quote “turning, the first thing you learn, the last thing you master”. I’ve been riding for over 30 years and the journey continues.
Thank you so much for this, it’s invaluable and I’ve learned and reconfirmed so many things. You’ve given me a me fo be confidence.
✌🏾&💜
-Seal.
Yeah man, the turn! :-) Best feeling in the world! Thank you so much for the comment! This is so great! High fives! :-)
This is so good! Thank you!
Thanks for the support!! :-) Share the love! 🙏
The best instructions ever seen. Thank you!
Thank you so much!! That is very kind!
Absolutely enlighting! thanks for theese videos!
Love it! Thank you!!
I started snowboarding with posi posi 30 years ago. Ten years ago, after a long break, I moved to duck angles due to pressure from the crowd (no one rode my old way). I managed, but there was no fun, and the angles became more and more positive every year. Thanks for this video; I will return to my youth as an old guy.
How is your knee doing with long experience being in posi posi?
I’m so pleased to see videos like this coming out.
When I started out back in the early 90’s posi/posi is how we rode. I had one VHS tape that talked about ‘sitting’ turns with a more side-on stance, and ‘steering’ turns with a forward open stance. I used to practice these with a ski pole held level in front, ‘steering’ like a bike and getting my hips into it. My mates called me ‘bird man’ for swooping around with my arms either side.
Then I spent a day with a French guide who insisted I rode duck and deconstructed everything. I wasted a couple of years trying to make that work but half the time I just twisted my back knee up trying to go forward and tuck it in behind my front knee.
I went back mild posi and have gone more so over time. Various boot / boardwidth and kit issues have made me look further into overhang and stance angles along the way.
I started watching @malcommoore vids 👍👍 eagerly as he also explains technique so well, and tried to apply some principles to my own stance, as well as learning those techniques, so now I tend to mix up some sideways stance for slower turns and lumpy terrain, and forward for carving.
I’ve recently watched some Korua vids which have reaffirmed my inclination to re-learn and commit more to forward stance, but this here is even more detailed and really inspires me and vindicates that further still.
It won’t be for everyone but this is exactly what I needed to see to help build my knowledge and hopefully improve.
Such clear explanations and demonstrations.
Thank you!!!!
This is so awesome!! Thanks for that comment. I'm very happy I could help. You almost describe my own pathway.... started in 1992. Posi/posi in ski boots... hahahaha. Becoming an instructor deconstructed all the posi stuff and literally portrayed it as it 'wrong'!! Quite unbelievable! I slowly went back to it - then with a deeper understanding gained through reflection and loys of video analysis!
Malcolm is great. He just found my channel and emailed me this morning. This is good stuff!! :-)
Thanks for watching and commenting. Made my day!
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel The first time I ever tried boarding was after skiing for three days. All they had to hire was an assymetric alpine board using the same ski boots! Soft boots hadn’t reached that part of Italy yet! 😆.
I’m 60 now and for me I have no interest at my age in switch or anything much else asides carving and powder, it’s always been about the turn for me. And control.
But I think it’s great to understand these two different approaches and find what works for us as individuals. And maybe use them both, each in different situations. Thanks again. 👍
This is the best explanation of posi stance I've seen, well done.
Thank you very much! Glad it worked for you! 🙌
I completely agree with you, that's why I bought a new board and follow your advice, but it's not easy.
Practice makes perfect :-) It sure isn't easy! Get yourself filmed a lot and reflect on the footage! Helps a ton!
Finally someone made correct video about carving technic.😉 But all people should know one think if they want carving is you must do mobility trening for carving it's so important to not look like the Hunchback of Notre Dame on the snowboard 😆
do you have any good stretching to recommend mate ?
Been snowboarding duck stance for as long as I've been on a board (about 7 ish years), this week I went +24/+4 and had THE best riding experience to date, carves felt locked! Will never go back :)
Epic! Hahaha, I love this! I don't actually care how anybody sets up their gear. But it's so funny how this stance, which is the OG snowboard stance, simply got pushed off the map, and so many people, who end up trying it at some point, are super stoked about it... :-) It is a wild world! Thanks for the feedback!!
I need to try, I’m riding +15/-9, looking at my boars, saying to myself ‘this is the time’ 😂. I’l try +15/+6
I’m almost always in technical terrain (ice coast), hope it help being less bumped around when I try to lock a turn at high speed in difficult terrain.
Edit: I have ONE picture of myself in the 90’s, and I was posi/posi… what happened 😂
@@johnbartender3451 I usually snowboard mogully terrain and even +24/+4 worked like a charm. But I did start out at +0 on the rear so building it up is adviced
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel oh yeah it is indeed! It's really fascinating that I actually had superior edge feel in posi posi and actually felt more comfortable in variable terrain. Especially the shift from pivoting at the hip/squatting to almost "sitting down in a chair" when leaning into corners is so confidence inspiring.
@@alastor1052 yeah man ✌️. So since my last reply I’m +15/+9 and love it. This is very true that I get more hips mobility and imo less strain on the knees. I’l experiment with more angle In the foresail future. It makes total sense for freeride.
Wow… this is the most comprehensive snowboard carving technique video out there! Thanks so much for sharing your expertise. So many click bait snowboard videos out there not showing techniques in depth or teach carving based on freestyle rather than free ride perspective. How is riding through the trees w/ posi posi angles?? Also have you seen Ryan Knapton carve like a ninja with a duck stance?? It defies all logic.
Thank you, James! That's a great compliment!!
As I said, tight, technical terrain can work better with less aggressive forward angles. Depends a bit on ability level.
In regards to Ryan Knapton: he's an animal! It's amazing what he does! However... he's a unicorn in the grand scheme: he doesn't ride steeps in any video, his personal pro model made for him has an 18m radius. In order for him to get that high on edge in such mellow terrain he needs this large radius to actually carry enough speed. A tighter turning board would simply come around too quickly for all the things he does and completely kill all speed/momentum on a mellow pitch. I'm fairly certain that he'd have to leave his ducked out freestyle position once he'd enter steep groomers. Here in Fernie, BC, things are steep... An 18m board would only bend far enough, if it had a giant effective edge, like being over 2m long (that'll be another episode here.....: sidecut, radius, effective edge and turn size). Then you could bend it into a turn tight enough to fit on steep narrow groomers. I'm not sure he could ride his board in his style on our hill.
But dang, yes, he's a ninja, for sure!!
You know what? That makes a lot of sense… a huge radius allows him to gain that speed and get low on the gentle runs…
I ride +18 -6 and find that is a good balance b/w carving and having tight control through the trees. I’m a bit hesitant to run a posi posi b/c it will compromise on that back leg control. I’m an advanced rider that’s lazy sometimes and use back leg steering through tight trees… but maybe one day! Especially now that you’ve corrected my mistake of trying to put my right hand down when carving on toe edge! Can’t wait to try out your technique next week when the slopes open!
I’m right now watching loads of RUclips vids to get the most info possible prior to start snowboarding next season. Being on the very “science” side of things in life, you are the best that I’ve come across to explain the “art” of snowboarding. Very technical but very well explained at the same time. Loving it! Thanks.
Aah!! Made my day!! 😊
Thank you so much for sharing that!
I have a bunch of videos that will likely go down well with you. Thanks for the support! ✌️🙏
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel yea, being an old dude that rode snowboard an era ago I’m looking at all info available to chose the right equipment and using the right setting to go easy on my “high mileage body ». Back then my board was a Kemper board (mid 90’) 😂 We were riding with Sorel boots! 🤣🤣. I sound like my grand father now…
Yes, I will obviously check out your video library!
Pretty excited to start riding with me kids now!
Quick question: I’m 5-11, 195lbs, 10.5 street show size. Since I’m a beginner (I guess I will quickly be a good beginner, my brain still remember how to turn), must I choose the board with my weight first (I’m no feather, so leaning toward longer 160 boards) or better choose on the short side (156-158) even if they are rated for lighter people…? My style? Goofing around a resort in Easter Canada. Small jumps, beginners “carving” on mellow slopes, trying to do butters and stuff without bitting ground too hard.
@@MrLapin-LL there’s no quick answer to that. I have videos on waist width, length and I talk about flex and purpose as well. It’ll give you ideas!
I just tested positive/posi and it has been working so well, thank you:)
Love it!! :-)
Finally someone explaining in details this style of riding!
Now I don't have to rely on japanese and koreans tutorials, while I don't understand nothing in those langauges :D
Great advice! Going to have to rewatch this 15 times.
Cool! That's great! Thanks for letting me know that it was useful!
that carve photo is killer
Thanks! I'm pretty happy with those shots, too! 🙂
shortly after starting i personally use double positive (+21/+3) because they're more gently with my knees, and i've more feeling with my board.
I think this is the only (I mean it , Only) video out of around more than 100 snowboard videos i have watched, that explains the body position clearly and in a way that human can understand. The chest position explaination really spark me and make me clear for a lot of questions that why my board skidded even when it was inclined a lot. Keep going, i will definately watch as much as i can!
Thank you so much! So glad it’s understandable.
I was traveling for work recently, in California, and Tahoe received 98" of snow. I took advantage of the conditions and rented a board. I requested +21, +6. One of the techs at the rental shop yelled "Wow! Double posi! that's crazy". When I was younger I would ride +36 +18. It amazes me that double posi has become something that is a bit of a rarity.
100%
I learned and started snowboarding 35 years ago. It was in that time only double positive. I have never changed that although I brought the angles back from 36 front and 30 back to now 27 front and 21 back. I have a Kessler all mountain board which you need to drive without hesitation and with dedication. I still board + 80km a day on my age of 61. Carving all day.
Good on you!! Way to go!
Great video! Very detailed analysis and description of turn body dynamics. A+
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Thanks for such valuable inf🤙🏻
Glad it was helpful!
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Tomorrow I'm going to test two posi stances: 33/18 and yours 30/3, last time i rode in 27/12 and it was amazing experience. Need to find best angles for knees🙃 But asian style f40+b30+ I think it's so weird😁
@@patlatenkiy I'm currently 30/12 or 27/9. Fun to change things and see what happens.
This is the most information I’ve picked up in my 7 years of snowboarding… thank you so much for making this video!
Awesome!! Thank you so much!!
Great explanation. Thanks a lot. I will start with carving next. Very curious about, how it work out 😊
Thank you and have fun!! It’s a thrill! 😊
Yeah mon! Ive ridden since ‘88 and even had a recreational hard boot set up for a few years in the early 90’s. THIS content was helpful, especially as I’ve started playing more with making rounder, carved turns like this . I live in Steamboat so it’s easy to get playful/lazy and not pay attention to the full edge groove
Wow. Great communication. Excellent examples of proper position and body mechanics. Will be studying the entire series.
Thank you so much!! I'm glad you're enjoying it and find it useful!
🤯 Whhhaaaattt!! I had no idea. I've been riding 12/12 wide forever thinking it was the way and at the same time wondering why I can't heelside carve as slick as those Japanese crews. Thanks heaps for the great info.
I love posi posi and I'd say 99% of my riding is in that stance. I learned to ride in the early 90s and really it seemed like everyone was riding posi posi back then.
I ride +27 +12 most of the time but will drop to -6 if going to be spending a lot of time dodging trees. It just feels more agile somehow.
I'm 52yrs now with a few decades of sporting injuries that have added up and really any kind of negative rear angle just makes my knee sore so it's a very rare park session, perhaps on bad weather day, when I'll go negative.
Rider in his early 50s here with an engineering career and a hard plateau on my turns. This video is exactly what the doctor ordered on improving turns and getting the most out of the posi/posi stance. Thanks and keep the videos coming.
Love this!! So glad the content works for you!! Thanks for finding my channel 🙂
This was such a great video. My knee hates a positive angle in the rear. Also with the terrain i ride and the fact I never have a day when im not in the air i stay 21, -6. I still find I can ‘mostly’ get into these carving positions.
This is my second season on a snowboard, I knew from the first day that I wanted to learn carving. Started with +18 -6 just changed it to +27+6 and it was a game changer for me. my heelside turn improved drastically. posi posi seems a much more natural stance for me, I feel much more comfortable. thanks you for this video!
Thanks for watching!!
As an older rider I’ve been experimenting with positive angles, as my freestyle days are behind me. This has been really helpful insight on how I need to adapt my riding style
Great to hear!
Great fckn video man !!! Nobody talks about this, every time I asked about it I get a weird look at me. Thanks a lot for sharing !
Thank you so much 🙏🙏🙏
Hola Lars, you are the best. Your description of the differences in technique between duckstance and forward posi is an enlightenment for me. I've been on the board for over 20 years but have only been trying to improve my carving technique in the last two seasons. And I still find it difficult to get really deep. I know most of what you say, but you manage to tie the loose threads together into a bigger picture. Awesome!
I've searched the whole internet up and down for that. But all I can find in English is Duckstance Carving or Eurocarve Laydown Madness. If you're looking for elegant surfy carving, you'll only find it in the Asian channels. But unfortunately I don't understand a word there :).
Your channel is amazing. Can't wait to hear more carving nerdism from you.
So long
Wow, such a nice comment!! Thank you very much! I was in the same place ten years ago... So I figured it all out myself to this degree with a few pointers from alpine carving world (racing). Still some learning happening, but I feel like I've been able to break it down to a large degree. Awesome to see that I'm helping people now!! :-)
Wonderful, thank you. Double front for 32 years and I'm still learning, need to back off my angels a bit next. Appreciate you.
Thank you!!
Thank you for taking the time to discuss the topic so thoroughly. You did an incredible job. Please keep on nerding our for the benefit of the rest of us. You address all points in perfect detail. Thank you, again.
Wow, very cool to hear that you think so. I'm sure I forgot something... Snowboard carving is seemingly a mix of science and art. It's so complicated and looks so effortless when done well....
I really like how you explain the pros and cons of the techniques analytically and show what it means in practice.
It was interesting how you explain the benefits of low angles for ankle steering and low speed riding. That's one of the main reasons why I like to carve with duck stance and only go posi-posi if I want to have a full on charging session. That's when I grab my hardboot (modified touring boots actually) setup and go +52/+45 angles with a 247mm waist EC board.
I also like how you describe duck as extreme. I agree, but if you compare it to skwall (in part #1), you should use +90/-90 angles for the duck. 😉 I ride +21/-21 and I've even experimented with +25/-25 hardboot setup and it worked just fine (but didn't make much sense). The reason why I go 21° with my current setup is to limit bootout.
For my next custom board, I'd like to have a bit more torsional flex than what I currently have so the ankle steering benefits of duck stance could be better put to use. As you mentioned, it's always a compromise but for me doing a clean laid down heelside carve on a 29° pitch groomer with duck stance is enough most days. I did have one run this season where I hoped I had my posi-posi hardboot setup. That's here if the timestamp works: ruclips.net/video/4vJT4fx4UQ4/видео.html
Probably could have managed to do a cleaner run if I wasn't that intimidated by the slope. I didn't use enough hip rotation or nose pressuring there. It was the first time I rode that slope ever. Posi-posi setup would have given me the needed confidence.
My switch riding is not anything special at the moment but the plan is to do laid downs both ways in a couple of seasons.
One comment about your duck stance heelside illustration, with double posi illustration you are opening your hips but with your duck stance example you are not doing that. If you would do that, it would put you into a position where you could use the lateral flex of the bindings/boots to pressure the nose. That's also the reason why in my opinion you don't want to have too stiff interface laterally for deep duck carving. You need that flex to do the fore/aft movement and stiffer flex edge to edge.
Your posi-posi teachings are spot on but what I'd like to underline is that you can apply those teachings to duck stance carving as well but it will be much harder than with posi-posi. That's why my philosophy is to learn posi-posi in order to learn to carve duck better. 😅
Great comment!!!
Yes, you're right. I'm not rotating in my duck demo!
Basically I was trying to show that the one stance already puts you into a more open position, while the other one makes it quite a long way to open up. This video follows part #2, in which I elaborate on duck. In that video I do the demonstration and I also show the effect of that rotation in a duck stance. Maybe check that one out.
My whole point is finding what is most efficient. So you're saying the right thing: it's possible but much harder in a duck stance! I'm speaking to a crowd that really needs tips (much less reflected and experienced than you are) and to a crowd that isn't interested in riding much freestyle stuff, and I basically try to put out the idea of changing it up - because I truly believe that there's no benefit in duck, if you don't use it to ride switch. 0° on the back foot for an intermediate non switch rider, who doesn't want to commit to only carving is much more comfortable and requires less twisting, so why not?!
I love your take on these things and the way to bring them across without offending anyone or me in particular. People can learn this from you! Just had a terrible experience with someone, haha...
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Yeah it's easy to get into can of worms discussions with these topics in social media at least. The thing is that many people get defensive about their style even if the discussion is more about trying to understand the "why" part of the topic. The #1 thing I like about your vids is that you tell the why. If people still get offended, that's on them.
Anyways, my point with the duck stance rotation stuff is that I'm sure you hear a lot of "but I want to ride duck". If you can convince those people to try the hip rotation with their preferred angles, they might just realize it works and who knows if they would like to try posi-posi next. People are generally lazy and want to stick to their habits unless they have reason not to (I know I was that guy).
I did watch all the 3 parts but I kind of forgot about the part 2 when I commented here. I went back and watched the rotation part again. The thing with the duck stance hip rotation bit is that you were talking about neutral position which for duck is pointing towards the toe edge more or less. What you said about the hip rotation and demonstrated that being part of the turn initiation is absolutely correct. So my point is that what you could do is tell people to apply that movement for their heel edge turns. That way they could apply your teaching to their duck stance riding if they don't want to go posi-posi for whatever reason. Now it comes across as rotation being bad for duck stance because it's bad for the neutral position.
One funny thing that happened recently is that I convinced my wife to try posi-posi and she loved it almost instantly but that lead to an interesting case where she couldn't end the turn. She was rotating during heelside turns like I had told her to do when she first rode with duck stance and then the posi-posi heelside turn just kept going on. Of course it was easy to solve that by telling her to stop the rotation but in my opinion it illustrates how with duck stance you have to purposely rotate and keep doing that while with posi-posi it kinda happens naturally like you also described.
As far as the comfort is concerned, I think it's very personal. For me my back knee starts to hurt when riding posi-posi while I can ride +21/-21 duck pretty much as long as I want (if we are talking about all-mountain stuff, if I charge hard I can "only" do like 3 sessions per week). The posi-posi back knee problem might be due to bad setup though. James hinted that back foot canting might help. I did try that at some point but that was when I was still in the early learning phases. In any case posi-posi stance has always felt awkward for me and it still does but there's no denying that it gives me much stronger heelside carves and it was totally necessary for me to learn the correct rotation technique which I now use in my duck riding.
@@xargo6454 another great comment!! Thanks man!! I really appreciate this! What you're pointing out about part 2 is totally correct. It's so difficult to think of every possible way the content can be understood....
What I demonstrated in regards to the neutral position was supposed to bring across that most people in a symm. duck stance tend to get into a rotated position automatically and at all times, because they don't feel safe riding that sideways. So then what they think is neutral actually twists the board... Does that make sense?
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Yeah it does and I'm sure every duck rider has had that sensation of board "turning on its own" at some point and that is most probably caused by what you described.
Just awesome Lars. Thank you so much! Actually bought the cheater 170w because of you.. Hope to learn more from you with these videos
Wow, that's awesome! I love that board.... mine is going into season #5 and still going strong. I ride it a lot. They're so durable in regards to the flex, amazing!
Thanks for watching and commenting! I appreciate it!
Thanks for this great video with that amount of technical tips. I've found myself standing in my room checking for my position mistakes, and just thinking about next time on the slopes getting your advices to improve my carving (the hand one just made me :o ).
Thank you!! That's great! Yeah, play with it! :-)
You taught this so beautifully. Thank you.
Thanks!! That’s a nice compliment! 🙏
A perfect articulation of the riding technique in posi posi. Everything you said aligns with my learnings over the last 20+ years. I found it super easy to transition from posi posi to duck. Others that went the other way struggled. In the last few years I've seen soft boot riders laying down carves that rival hard boot riders. The new boards, bindings and boots are a huge improvement. More reason to teach both styles of riding.
Thanks for the comment and appreciation!! I agree with your observations/experience!
Great tutorial. I love the way you break it down technically. May I add that one needs to pick a board accordingly in order to optimize carving performances. Too soft a flex or torsionnal stifness, and the board will chatter before the turn's exit; so as far as I am concerned, carving requires a stiffer board. Also, manufacturers seem to aim more at the duck stance crowd. They refer to their reference stances as a starting point for bindings setups, but I find these reference stances uncompatible with double positive stance (way too wide), for they restrict hip movement. On a personnal note, going past my +18/+6 degrees/20'' to 21'' wide stance makes it difficult to do jump turns in steep chutes, so I think I found my sweet spot for freeriding. That being said, people need to understand the compromises they make by going with more radical double positive stances.
The stiffness needs to be in the centre of the board. Torsionally a board needs stiffness for proper carving. The tips on such a board, however, need to bend to produce the turn shape. Too stiff of a nose is not a good idea. Since stiffness depends on rider weight and ability, it's nothing I wanted to add here. It's just another variable.
Otherwise, I totally agree with what you're saying.👍
Great inputs. But a tip:
It's much more visuable for the audience if they see that more in action 😊
Yes, that is true. And that is also not true. The fact that I can stand there and demonstrate things while talking is good for some things that in action would drown in the quickness and complexity of the movement patterns while riding. I figured a few photos and some riding sequences would do the job. Maybe I can figure out good ways to bring them n more to of that. I find often it takes an advanced eye to actually see, analyze and understand what’s going on when simply filmed in action.
Difficult to be more true and clear. I have exactly the same feeling than you for the difference between the FSTurn (more on the the rear leg) and the BSTurn (more on the front leg).
I would say that i initaite my FSTurn by pointing out my rear knee and initaite my BSTurn by pushing out my front hip.
My angles are generally 42°/12° Swoard Stoke board (field tester), Now bindings and Fitwell "SoftBoots" :)
The stiffness of the boots looks to be also a keypoint, essentially for the frontside turn.
Very happy to hear something else than bullshit about carving :)
Haha, thanks, Xavier! :-) The topic is wild in the online world. Lot's of nonsense. Lots of misconception. Very few instructors in snow schools, who are able to teach double posi technique or advanced carving all together. And I'm not saying that to be negative. It is what it is. Took me a long time to figure out these things mostly by myself with a few key pointers here and there. Hnece, I'm not 100% certain that I'm entirely correct with what I'm trying to explain.
I do initiate every turn in the front. And on the toe edge always with ankles and knees - but very quickly followed by the hips. On the heel edge it's much more just hips since the ankle and knee don't flex towards the heel edge... I do push both knees to the heel edge, however. And bot stiffness bothers me more on the heel edge. I can feel the boot fold laterally sometimes. It might be movement of the boot in the binding, though. Not sure.
Thanks for the comment!!
I just discovered your video through a random link. Wow, this is by far the most complete and easy to understand explanation of how body positioning affects your edgework in the two different orientations. I haven't seen another video that brings the concept of the "freestyle" stance vs the "posi-posi" stance together so well. I've watched countless hours of Japanese carving tutorials which explain the benefits of positive stances as well as our Western counterparts which arent as consistent in explanation, but your video really brings the two worlds together. Kudos and definitely subscribing.
edit: Just one suggestion--if you had filmed this video while you were standing on the board behind you that might help a bit visually! Im sure the more advanced riders have no issue understanding this but maybe it would help the more novices watchers. Cheers!
You made my day! Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and for such a great compliment!
I hope you'll find more insightful stuff here! Thanks for subscribing!
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This is a terrific breakdown and it totally makes sense! It’s the same way in surfing to stack weight more front footed in a more open stance for better turning 🤙🏼
Thank you Lars. I started later in life in learning to board and have been aspiring to carve better. I’ve watched many videos but your instructions on debunking the hands on ground technique has really changed my shredding life. It’s been day2 of learning your technique and I’m already seeing vast improvements in my carving. Thank you for sharing that “unfortunate truth”😊.
This is so great to hear!!! I love it!! :-)
Great video... I've been easing my way towards posi-posi, I'm at +24/-6 and I feel the desire to go further. You've inspired me, I'm gonna start with +24/0 tomorrow maybe notch my way up after a few runs.
Awesome!! Good luck!
Love your videos! I used to do a lot of downhill skate boarding and the double posi stance is very similar to a race tuck and the grabs for turns are very similar too.
With downhill skating you typically put your hands on the ground to get some weight off the wheels to initiate a slide, seems like you might lose some edge pressure trying that on a snowboard
This guy does what I’m talking about on a snow skate ruclips.net/video/lLOhjiTpVhU/видео.htmlsi=7DzYe94hGPTshCrx
A well spoken dude.. thanks for sharing. I will be trying this setup this year. Exited to up my carving game.
Thank you kindly! Enjoy the ride!
thank you men!!! so so helpfulll!!!!! I be been trying to carve in wrong stances for waaaaayyy to long!!
Thanks! Well, I wouldn't say it's 'wrong' to ride duck for carving. But it simply has a lower limit depending on terrain and the desired turn shape.
Glad you got some new ideas out of my video!
Enjoyed the video in lots of ways. Thanks for posting it. Really inspirational.
That's great to hear! Thank you!
I've been thinking of doing some snowboarding again and these new boards and stances are why.
The double positive stance changes the motion to a more skiing like turn motion and reduces the pressure on the front foot.
Very interesting thing I am 100% going to try. 😊
Posi stances are not new. They’re the OG way to ride. When done right, they don’t reduce front foot pressure. Go play with it! Glad to hear you’re inspired!!
Hi Lars!
I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for sharing your incredible knowledge!
The clarity and depth of your explanations on snowboard carving with a ++ stance are unparalleled!
I haven't found anything else like it on the internet in the English language.
There are many snowboarders in Japan & Korea using a similar style (calling it Asian technical riding), but it is very hard to really learn something from it...
You are on the right path with this channel!
I personally have been riding with a 36/24 angle setup for the past few years, and it is the only way I could get my hips into the snow.
Knapton has a great channel explaining snowboard carving in-depth, but with a duck stance, which is completely different...
Please consider creating a series of videos focusing on ++ snowboard carving.
Your expertise could benefit so many riders out there looking to enhance their ++ carving technique.
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and passion with us!
You've got a new fan and subscriber!
Beautiful! Thank you so much for sharing this!!
All the best!
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I’ve been watching a lot of videos and trying to lay down my first carve.. your channel and the amazing content you are producing helped me learn how to put the board on its edge and use it as it was designed to be used ! Very thankful and please keep making this videos for us !! ✌️✌️
Yeah, Mustafa!! That made my day! 🙂Thank you, and I'm so glad my stuff makes sense to you and is helpful!
Brilliant , thanks a lot for doing this. Your explanations are so clear.
Glad it was helpful!
Very helpful! Thank you.
Thank you for the video! Have been carving super deep for the last two seasons with heavy double positive angles on a softboard 27 back 45 front and it was great but not so great for my back hip! This season started to reduce angles again and am now riding 0° and 27° and feel very comfortable. A stance i can also comfortably ride on kickers and in powder and less internal rotation on my back hip --> no pain 🤙 enjoy your turns!
Wow! Amazing detail and knowledge. Such a good breakdown of body mechanics!
Glad you liked it! Thank you!!
U said it right! i m changing my stance to posi posi
Worth playing with!!
That is a fantastic video! I think one of the best on the topic of positive stances. Thanks a lot!
Thanks you! Yeah, it's very difficult to find good info on this. Been struggling myself...
+6/+15 since 1994. Works awesome
"unfortunate truth, sorry..."(for the Euro carve hands on ground myth)🤣for great informative content like this, I forgive you for break the party. PS. great great content, I wish I found you earlier! This is so enlightening and informative, suddenly things start to make sense! And interestingly for so many years snowboarding and web surfing, I found no one mentioning this at all! Thank you!
Hahahahahaha..... Love that you picked up on that! I couldn't help myself...
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@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Definitely will. Meanwhile, Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to you, and don't forget to share valuable insights to us in the new year. 😄
I've been riding since 2002, like to think I'm pretty advanced, but I've been riding duck the whole time! Trying out double posi this season, +20 and +5 since I do still want small movements with the rear foot to easily translate energy
Same boat 🙋🏼♂️
Check out videos with Jeremy Jones. He is the master of flowy turns and he has a lot of content on YT about angles too.
@jacobseeman23 Jeremy's big mountain riding style is primarily what I'm aiming at actually. One of the main riders I look up to along with Xavier de la Rue and Krister Kopala
After an approx. 15 year brake, I will Go snowboarding again. I wonder what I missed in these years. It is strange to see this discussion about stance and people promoting positive stance for carving. 15 years ago it was clear for me, that there are generally two kinds of snowboarder, the ones who carve and the ones having fun with tricks. And both need to use different stance.I was interested in "clean snowboarding", so the teacher showed me to control the edges and slowly improve carving. I really liked the carving feeling and tried to paint thin lines in the snow. Speed control by closing the curves. I will ride my hard boots with step in binding again and have something one would call nowadays a race board. Looks like I'm pretty old school. When I talked to younger snowboarders these days, I had the feeling that they didn't understand, what I meant when I spoke about carving. It seems, that this has been lost due to fun riding. And now it's being found again.
Same here!! I, as well, am in disbelief. Hence the video. You’re 100% correct: two different stances produce two different techniques for two different purposes. There’s a grey zone in between, but that’s about it.
I started learning how to carve a year ago on duck stance and struggled to understand what I needed to do to carve with higher angles. Appreciated the depth and detail you went into the mechanics of every movement. I haven't been able to find much information about the differences between duck stance and double positive stance until this video! Thank you again, and I think I'm now armed with enough knowledge to try double positive stance. Hopefully the adjustment won't be too difficult 😅
Thanks!! Well, you can still carve in a duck stance. It’s about the limits and efficiency of the position for directional riding/carving and about the different techniques every stance requires. Maybe you should also take a lesson eventually. Of course changing binding angles alone will not make you carve perfectly clean pencil lines… 😊 Good luck on your journey! It’s well worth it to experiment with different stances and techniques.
How was your first day or two riding the new stance? Did you figure it out kinda quick or did it taker plenty of practice just for the angles to feel normal?
@@shawnsmith7518 I haven't tried it yet but planning to maybe this weekend but I would imagine it would take me a day or two to adjust .. would probably try this on greens first lol
Thanks for the video i’ve been looking to test different stances, and as a medecine student i love your explainations of biomecanic of snowboarding, it makes more sens for me now
Thanks! That's great to hear! Yeah, it's a fun/cool/trendy sport... and after all it's just physics! :-) Hahaha....
Really enjoy your videos. Very well done, easy to understand and helpful. I like how you describe the advantages/disadvantages of different set-ups and encourage trying out what works for individuals and styles of riding. I'm an all mountain rider but I have two boards ... a directional board which I normally have set at +21/+6 and a twin which I ride at +15/-15. I ride both all over the mountain but, depending on the terain and conditions, I choose to ride the twin when focusing more on switch, butters and park and my directional board the rest of the time (focusing on carving, powder and trees, which is my real passion 🌲 🏂🌲). Thought your comment about snowboard lessons being split into riding styles (after beginner stage) was really good.
Thanks for the videos. 👍
Love this!! Thank you so much!! 🙏
I learned and trained in the 'snow school' way where duck stance was believed to provide the stability to ride our local terrains (tight trees, moguls, etc). I have always find it challenging to stack my body over the heel edge when I carve - perhaps the double posi stance + the right technique could change things? :) This video is super informative and inspiring. Thanks for the video and for bringing diversity to the community!
Awesome!! Thank man!!
Super useful information!!!! I ve been a long time looking for this kind of explanations! Thank you
Love it!! Thank you so much! Glad I can help. I was in the same boat a decade ago.... nothing much useful out there unfortunately,
LARS!!! I crossed the line this weekend with 5cm of fresh snow on the groomers. YEEWWW! I went +18 +3 Felt good on side hits, carving, and moguls on our black hill. ( a Blue in most places), but its the best we have.LOL. I usually ride 21 0 so not much change but definalty noticable. Going to open front to 21 to get more forward pressure on the nose of my @Wiredsnowboards Recon with Jones Mercury bindings in surf mode.