How CS:GO's First Cheating Scandal Almost Destroyed the Game
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Seven years ago, a cheating scandal rocked the CS:GO community.
Did KQLY really cheat on LAN, and why?
At the time, KQLY's ban threw the cheating accusations against pros into overdrive - suddenly, it seemed like everyone was a cheater.
So, how did CS:GO survive its craziest, most dangerous cheating scandal?
Written by: Daniel Rosen (@Daniel_Rosen) with files from Jake Kivanç (@JakeKivanc)
Edited by: Andrew Faigal (@Brrrning)
Production Assistance by: Devin Coull (@Fake_DevinCoull) & Nicolas Buck
Additional Animations & Thumbnail by: Brandon Mistele
Hosted by: Daniel Rosen (@Daniel_Rosen)
Produced by: Daniel Rosen (@Daniel_Rosen) & Alina Sotula (@ASotula)
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ScreaM's "Seriously? No... Seriously? No... SERIOUSLY? No..." is the 2nd most iconic thing your brain will remember when hearing KQLY's name
Seriously? No... Seriously? No... SERIOUSLY?? No
“Are you fkn serious my eyes”
It is fucking annoying
I had to skip it because he sounds so repetitively monotonic, but is there some other context behind it? Other then the VAC ban?
@@lyonvensa (CS:GO peeps, help me on this) I remembered that he was replaced by KQLY at one point before the ban.
KQLY officially changed the term "jumpshot" to "KQLY style"
so true
In Brazil we actually call it Coldzera Style, different reasons, though
Also the pronunciation went from (kaly) to (cookly) to (courly). It still kills me
it was basically pashaBiceps who changed the term
@@Kangarookid22 I still say cookly lol
Linus? Man I really missed a lot during the early CS:GO days
That was Linus wasnt it? It really sounded like him
I'm pretty sure that was him
that has to be from a news video right?
seems like you missed linus's early videos as well he used to talk about cs multiple times in his old videos and yeah that's linus you can see NCIX as the audio credit
@@mjaimk it was the audio was from ncix which was the channel he was on before he made LTT it was called ncix tech tips lol
I love how the pronunciation of KQLY changes through all the clips
3kliksphilip's is best 9:26
@aRctic accurate
i remebered him as KOKLY 😢
It's a stupid name
There's only ONE way to pronounce it: It's like saying cockring, but exactly like an asian with a thick accent would do it.
5:37 "valve anti cheat software has gotten a lot better over the years"
Yeah.. are you sure about that one?
yeah he is sure, it has gotten a lot better, it is not good but it is much better than what it was let's say 7 years ago. Do you think it has stayed the same?
@@petrospatrianakos9166 Yes.
@@petrospatrianakos9166 yes
@@petrospatrianakos9166 yes, it’s still shit
@@petrospatrianakos9166 No of course not, VAC has gotten way better, but the cheats did so too
OF COURSE the olofboost had to be mentionned! Of course it has!
I feel like they add it on purpose now to run with the meme hahaha
@@gray7112 Yeah it's a tradition now!
olofboost was not cheating btw
@@ManishKumar-zt5sk It was. It's technically an abuse bug, giving an unfair advantage for the team since they could kil very early on and without being seen.
@@Siinory yep
Its not like an athlete taking steroids .. it's like a Pitcher using a Howitzer or a basketball player having shoes that make you jump twice as high.. sterioids is an unfair advantage, cheating hacking aimbot walls can almost guarantee a win
Steroids push you beyond human limits too. They also guarantee wins unless others are doping as well.
@@Adityarm.08 I see your point but in the way that he was comparing the two you generally go for the overstatement .. it almost feels weird I.E. taking a knife to a gunfight is like trying to challenge an AWP with a Glock .. it just sounds better to say challenging an AWP with a glock is like taking a knife to a gunfight
I was going to say the same thing. Cheating in esports is waaay worse than steroids. Sure, steroids will push you like what, 5-10% over your personal limit? Still unfair. But it is incomparable with something like aim or wallhacking, which are way more of an unfair advantage.
Steroids is like taking Adderal, which we all know esports players do en-masse.
hear hear... steroids only grants marginally better advantages to athletes of physically-demanding sports (i.e. cycling, most olympic sports). It's harder to rely on steroids when you are into mechanics-driven sports like football, basketball and baseball.
The real scandal is your haircut Daniel, YOUR HAIRCUT !
maybe he was hanging off the wall and needed his hair fixed
bro he looks like he cut open a doritos bag and wiped his hair with the grease
@@xxshotxx1 looks like he's transitioning
Have some respect for a balder
Damn y’all savage lmao
0:43 I’ve never heard Linus covering esports events that’s fucking wild
Yeaaaa that threw me for a fucking loop LMAO
yea he was with ncix at that timelol
yup, i was like "wtf? is this linus? nah it gotta be thorin with his voice f**ked up" until i looked at the courtesy
@@gray7112 thought i accidentally when to the next video for a second
@@rayjynx I knew that just didn't know they did that stuff
what i actually cant fathom until this day is how cheating in prized tournaments isnt legaly enforcable? its people using prohibited tools to get an advantage in WINNING MONEY. its not just fun and games or rank in a mm but actual money
Same as any sport, its internally regulated cause it's not against any national laws.
Korea has laws about esports cheating and matchfixing
@@bubbles13244 Korea is way ahead of everybody
@@PrivateJoker0119 Not really in context. They just love esports 100x more than America. So it makes sense for them
Its a long time ago
csgo and cheating goes together better than cheating and my wife
that is why i chose to walk the path of an incel hahaha i can't be cheated on haahahhahaahah
i am depressed help me
What are you two on about!? 😭🤣
@@zaid7823 that is why i chose to walk the path of an incel hahaha i can't be cheated on haahahhahaahah
i am depressed help me
You're 13.
@@JustAPokemonCommentingOnVideos just try not to be a sexist asshole because you feel too much self-pity and one day you will actually meet the right person. ♥ Edit: of course you should actually urgenlty visit a psychotherapist if you are depressed.
Seeing ex6tence's response shows why he was one of the most underrated igl's of France. So humble
@@j0n810 Belgium has 45% french population and the french and belgian scene are joint together
@@krishrao4348 ok, but he’s still not French…
"seriously? Noo... seriously? Noo... seriously? Noo"
The one tap god
seriously??
@@max-du1ff Noo
Seriously??
@@azrokz no
@@oryouteran1795 seriously?
Still remember this scene
Remember dan's hair? POG
I have a young son and recently I have been trying to introduce the shower to his life. He gets upset sometimes, saying that he doesn't want to do it. (he believes its pointless) But whenever I show him a Daniel Rosen video, he ALWAYS understands why you should bathe.
Alright this made me chuckle. Dude is seriously greasy tho and needs to shower more
It's because idiot's drinking shampoo instead of putting it on his body, he recorded himself holding shampoo saying its the worst drink he had
I don't buy it at all when cheaters say they only used it in MM. Just use an alternate account. obviously cheated at LAN events.
Did I just hear Linus? Man that guy is everywhere.
I remember that time so well. Glad it's over. Made me think about how now, almost no one blames pros for cheating anymore unlike back in 2014-2016 ish where every good player had 100 hltv posts about them
You can go to Rust videos for that kind of kick now!
man you nailed it i came back here for nostalgia and all i can remember is the amount of hackusations tons of pro players got back then
Lol they just realized nobody cares who cheats as long as someone claims "this is legit". And that insane flickshots get more eyeballs than boring, tactical plays. People want a SPECTACLE!!!!
Food and wine, people, food and wine.
And now everyone are blaming pros for 322. Like, we went from bullshit to bullshit, heh
@@heinzekleinke6255i know a forum where hackers sell cheats claiming how they dont sell cheats to random users only to pros because they know how to act and hide it, like not showing off a lot.
Wow seeing DanM in a CS video. Stewie2k turned him into a laughingstock.
The most hated man in CS lol
8:56 literally Jordan Gilbert's expression gave it away that this was sus even on a pro level lmao @n0thing
thought about that too xd
2014 was the best individual performance for Kennys actually. If it wasn't for Kqly cheating and if the whole Titan wasn't disallowed for participated in Dreamhack winter major, who know how the performance Kenny would be like on there. He would've been easily on top 3 or top 1 HLTV of the year. He had the most highest rating in those year, despite been suspended at the end of the year
Before the awp nerf..
seriously? nooo.. seriously? nooo.. seriously? nooo.. seriously? nooo..
The actual scandal with cheating in CS:GO is you can't play matchmaking at all without running into fucking cheaters on a regular basis.
I switched to Valorant because of that. Never looking back on this cheater infested loot box game.
@@JackoBanon1 You do realise Valorant's closet cheaters are rising
@@sanjuskillz8529 but their system is one of the best ones in the world, way better than cs
@@nicolaschenclaudialin7339 lol that's what you think, private paid hacks can easily by-pass Vanguard
@@sanjuskillz8529 yea but not everyone has the money to buy private hacks
5:56 the laughs are so contagious in this clip
Forsaken vs KQLY, thoughts?
KQLY was the dude to make headlines when you thought cheating on Lan
But forsaken literally killed any chance India had at a CS scene
1. Optic India knew that forsaken had cheated in the past, kqly was doing this stuff out of curiosity. 2. Forsaken was horribly obvious when he did cheat, KQLY never confirmed when and where he cheated. All he said was he did it out of curiosity for one week. 3. You can’t really compare them. Forsaken single handedly ended all chances for India to get into the CSGO gaming scene. KQLY was just another scandal that everybody moved on from. It’s all really sad
@@Kangarookid22 na and eu has so many scandals that nobody cares but smaller communities like Indian cs can face a lot of damage from these scandals
@@viveksharma6000 and it’s really sad that NA has so many and most go unpunished if not a few months ban. Unlike India where they aren’t even considered when thinking about new gaming hubs
Forsaken couldve been spinbotting on LAN and it wouldnt have been more blatant lmfao
11:06 Ahh the olof boost, they managed to put it in here too
Score eSport without Olofboost in a controversial video .... ain't gonna happen!
5:38 "Sure, Valve's anti cheat software has gotten a lot better over the years..."
Team Fortress 2 Players: "Lmao"
Ahahahhahahahahahhahaha
Cheating is an important part of cs go culture. Without cheating, it doesn't exist.
linus csgo tips
CSGO: has cheating problems
Rocket League: laughs in bad voice chat
At this point I think they have just given up. Also spamming "What a save!" in text chat is enough. I don't need some toxic player screaming down the mic every time I fuck up their ballchase.
Time for this dude to accept the chrome dome
Pasza saying "kookly style" is the best thing hahaha
2:48 KQLY kissing Happy after winning a csgo match is the Frenchiest thing I ever seen
I heard Linus 💀
Indeed you did
half of the video is the anchor saying "did kqly really cheat? did kqly cheat on lan?" and then showing scream's stream
I don't think he cheated on LAN, sadly for him it doesn't matter. Even if you cheat once outside of a tournament, you risk your career and having people doubt if you are legit is a very bad thing for the scene.
We most likely will never find out if the jumpshot was the result of luck or cheat sadly
@@333dae I don’t think he would try to do something that blatant with cheats
@Remy I'm not saying it's impossible without cheats, but it would be really stupid to go for an outlandish, round winning play that people are going watch again and replay over and over while cheating. If he was cheating during tournament matches he would be trying to go for normal shots in order to hide the fact that he can hit anything he wants.
ofc he cheated on lan. he used the same cheat as smn from the coder named supex0. cheat is called "baking bread". smn even explained how he used the cheat on lan. you basically loaded it through a cs go workshop map.
Something I learned over many years; if you don’t go for the shot you’ll never hit it.
Linus wtf
that combover aint fooling NOBODY
The comparison to steroids is a bit off. Athletes take steroids to enhance their ability - the justification for many is that they are already at elite, but in order to be the best of the best they boost their performance to win at all costs, at the detrimental of their health. They already put the work on, but PEDs give them that slight edge over someone who put equal work in. Cheating in a competitive video game isn't a shortcut; it unlocks abilities that are impossible. It doesn't matter how much a CSGO player trains, they can't see through walls. A cyclist taking PEDs still has to go the distance; a gaming cheater doesn't even need to move their mouse.
Luxury car rental is a smart business move tbh
0:36 is that Linus from LTT?
Yeah, he was on the NCIX channel before LTT, which is where the audio is from.
@@Loagurt oh damnnn
oh lol it is
LinusAWPtips
Yeah. He worked for NCIX before LTT. He even went to like the auction when NCIX practically died to get I think the 100k subs plate that NCIX got but someone got it and decided to just let the dude have it.
and then…EVERYTHING went wrong…the drama! the dark face! omg what an incredible actor!
Why was Linus doing commentary???
NCIX news
I love this "Are you shitting or no"? I know it's "cheating" but it really sounds like that
And now CS2 has come out unprepared and barely a playable game, replacing, not adding to csgo, losing even more players than the scandal would've
YO DANIEL THE HAIR LOOKING FIRE THO I SEE U WITH THE HAIR TIE
His fade is extra crispy 😆
why he wearing lipstick tho LMFAO
Come for story, 30 secs into the video...
"Is that Linus!?" lol
6:17 Regarding your analogy of cheating in esports to the usage of steroids in regular sports. Steroids are used for different reasons and to different effects, so it's important to know the difference.
*Andy Pettite, a former pitcher for the NY Yankees, used steroids, as did Barry Bonds* of the SF Giants. HOWEVER, Pettite's treatment merely helped him *heal from an injury*, returning him to the form he was in back when he was healthy. His performance did not change drastically: he did not start throwing faster, or throw more pitches than he used to. Steroids merely repaired his injuries as much as a surgical procedure does for others.
Conversely, Barry Bonds used steroids to completely transform his body. He became way stronger, with unprecedented muscle growth. His statistical performance skyrocketed. This is where the term PED, performance enhancing drug, actually applies. Not with Pettite, in which case it is more like PRD, performance restoring drugs.
There's a difference, and as much as I bet you guys dislike constantly seeing comments state corrections or technicalities, I write this to you genuinely, with the hope that we don't continue to perpetuate this misunderstanding about steroid usage.
On a separate note, to answer that question "Who would watch?" Well, pretty much everyone, honestly. Barry Bonds-esque PEDs are used rampantly across numerous sports. But objectively if it makes the players stronger, faster, more durable, then the plays themselves become more spectacular. To be frank, it's not a great analogy.
Also, 4:32 : this is too needlessly intense. Trying too hard makes it feel cheesy.
Seriously doubt this comment will ever be read tho. Feelsgreat man.
i read it
Mans got csgo'd in real life
Biggest surprise in this video is Linus doing CsGo news
9:00 his crosshair was following Pasha's movement all the time. Dude was aimlocked
The bigger mystery than "did he cheat on lan" is... "HOW THE F DO YOU PRONOUNCE HIS NAME?"
Dan the legendary human cheat detecter that failed to operate
And got a vacban by himself xD
Busting KQLY almost destroyed the game so since then, all pros are allowed to blatantly lock onto heads through walls and nobody bats an eye. What ? Oh s1mple just randomly no scoped someone while falling and then no scoped another enemy at a long range whilst his crosshair was shaking like a rabbit on crack ? OH IT'S JUST GAMESENSE AND SKILL MAN, GIT GUD !!
You need to have a video where Daniel is just saying phrases with his super serious face to send chills up our spines. Dude has got that on point!!
In the end, it seems the scars of cheating are something "good" because we remember and surpassed it.
But valve must do something, otherwise the game will end sometime.
I used to play a lot of CS:GO in 2015-16 when it was still playable. Nowadays you run into a cheater in almost every game.
Ofcourse it's Dan M throwing conspiracy theories about players cheating.. He was the Alex Jones of CS:GO community.
6:18 "if athlete takes steroids" Almost every professional is juiced up and that's just a fact.
@@catlife331 I assume you don't know very much about steroids right?
The tests are unreliable because lot of drugs are in and out of your body in less than a day.
You think guys who makes millions and are on the top of their sport are going to trust the good old banana and hard work. Get the fuck out mate.
@@catlife331 yeah and you can game those tests. High level powerlifting is also 'tested' and those people are all juiced to the gills. Pretty much every winning athlete uses performance enhancing drugs.
LOL “basically impossible to cheat on LAN” hahahaha that’s so funny
i like how i just watch a 15 minute video about a cheating scandal and they never say how he was actually cheating. I assume aimbot but cmon
@@suplex4181 I think it's because Valve did not specify what triggered the VAC ban and neither did KQLY so we can only infer that he did cheat but not specifically what cheats
Bro let the hair go that combover is brutal
Cheating is infinitely worse than an athlete taking steroids lmao
'' Almost destroyed the game'' nah it almost caused apocalypse and world destruction
weren't the aliens involved as well?
I'm pretty sure Satan got dangerously close to leveling the Vatican in outrage at this scandal.
The biggest cheating scandal wasn't KQLY gettin' banned but flusha didn't
back then, the jumpshots were very accurate, remember the scout, 100% accuracy on top of the jump... the usp is fvcking precise, even while jumping or moving...
You can still jumpscout pretty well post nerf if you but the timing has to be really precise. I was really good at jump scouting pre-nerf and it was really beastly especially against apps push on mirage or T box to warehouse on nuke.
That new haircut is so tragic it almost destroyed this channel for me.
“KQLY VAC BAN?! no seriously no seriouusly no seriously”
0:40 Holy shit I did not expect to hear linus right there
Did not expect to see Dan M in a serious csgo 2021 video
I'd be interested though like a tournament where you get teams of programers to make ai to play the game and create really boss cheat software and then let the ai play the csgo version of Mugen or street fighter ultra turbo
"KQLY the Infamous legendary cheater"
That is a NEXT LEVEL comb over….shave it brother, you’re not fooling anyone but yourself
Just… DO IT.
“seriously? nooo”
Linus was in this video. How was linus in this video.
I've seen everything
2:47 *JUNE MOMENT*
Honestly the most surprising thing in the video is hearing Linus
0:36 that is Linus talking, omg I didn't know NCIX covered that
KQLY is the reason of Titan doesn't exist now.
"So many players got VAC banned!!"
Proceeds to name 3 players. 😂
The jumpshot from kqly actually was not cheated. Back in the day there was a bug in the game that resetted your jump inaccuracy to 0 when you counter strafed mid air.
You can clearly see him stopping mid air and even going backwards which resetted the jump inaccuracy to 0 so he was 100% accurate at the time of firing his usp.
There is the possibility that he had a cheat that did exactly that for him when he was jumping and shooting (eg. delaying the shot to put a counter strafe into the inputs), but cheats back in the day where super super basic and hadn't much more than a edge jump feature. Also this bug wasn't widely spread at that time, which makes it unlikely that a cheat developer had known this and put it into a cheat on a mouse (which was common to put it there back in the day).
Additionally to that you can see him not just stopping mid air but also going backwards a little, making it even more unlikely that this jumpshot inaccuracy reset was scripted.
If you take all of that into consideration, kqly was most likely not cheating/this jumpshot wasn't cheated.
But why do I explain it here... Someone without a brain will read this and be like "yeah f you, you know nothing" or some other shit.
Take my explanation as what it is. A factually correct explanation. :)
I'd believe it. Movement in CS has been fucked ever since phoon started bhopping and hitting crazy shots, so when in source they added z-block, it still didnt do enough against it. A year or two into its infancy, CS:GO probably didnt have the best movement physics yet so I could see how this would make sense.
@@1bruce- It doesn't have to make sense it is a fact that this has been a thing. It is written on the CSGO Blog in the update notes when they patched it. Dunno the date, but it has been mentioned that they fixed this years ago.
Back in the day cheats had a thing called NOSPREAD. Which valve fixed
Nowadays if you hit a jumpshot even if youre spinbotting, its still luck based
The shot on Dust2 isn't impossible, but it really looks like KQLY kinda tracks him through the wall. His crosshair is right on the head at the peak of the jump, he never needed to adjust the crosshair, as if he knew where he was before he jumped
Maybe luck?
You can see a clip of me doing kukli with AK and idk how it hit but my crosshair wasn't remotely precise at his head as him but again could still be luck but still giga sus by him
Olofboost never fails to make an appearance
Kqly style > Forsaken word.exe
I was so sad for vP and pasha when kqly did the kqly on him
When I say "seriously?"
you say "no..."
"Seriously?"
My guy whats going on with your hair 😂
seriously? no seriYOUsly? no seriously? no
Played with him the other day when he streamed for the first time in forever. Didn’t play very well going bottom frag on our team
Still cant figure out if its kali, kelly, or koqly
There's still cheaters in Pro CS btw, open secret...
didnt expect to hear Linus from his NCIX days lmao
The guy in the thumbnail looks like an evil Damien Haas
im also convinced flusha is cheating now. i used to think its impossible to cheat on lan but after forsaken proving its possible. having one suspicious moment is one thing but repeatedly having them is another and his excuse that he lifts his mouse doesnt make sense
I didnt remember this subject until I saw the ScreaM clip lmao this was such a big meme back then
It isn’t a scoreesports video without the olofboost
LMAO, gotta love the DAN M clip, I thought they had become internet history ... hess on the geaaaar bois
At this point, I'm convinced theScore esports has a tally board recording the number of "Olaf boosts clips" in all of your videos
Its called high sens diff bud
Now think about all pros that never got caught like Flusha.