@@dl1st this rather looks like he left his mouse to scratch himself. Nothing unusual imo. Also the players on a heard the Ts running so I guess a rush was called in the comms
Something noteworthy is pro players who cheat and get away with it often aren't cheating for most of the time they play. It's generally going to be cheating for extra information on the slow parts of pivital rounds before engagement or at the end of rounds looking for exit kills. These players are incredibly good, even when they're not cheating; they cheat to gain information they're already aware is possible but not certain of. It's impossible to distinguish from good gamesense if done right since part of playing at their level is having information they're not supposed to from researching their opponents. These aren't MM scrubs, they don't toggle harder when they're losing, they don't toggle off when they're winning. The goal is to create a consistent view from the outside looking in where a shift in performance is a shift in performance, not a shift in software. 5:40 isn't suspect imo, it's a prefire onto players they know are pushing, lined up with the head-level of the back wall. Due to the proximity of the corner, it makes sense to aim for there since the enemy at the far wall sees you before you see them, and in this case, the difference in meeting time is long enough to justify prefiring because the enemy will nearly always win a fair engagement. 2:30 Is a great demonstration of something suspicious, given what we know now. Moments like these are common among legitimate players, but notice how Joel's crosshair seems to drift towards the players behind the smoke, and once they cross, he fixes his crosshair on the right wall rather than on the center of the smoke. It's a subtle shift in attitude that would imply Joel knew they crossed. As for the method of cheating, it looks like a form of sound ESP where some kind of noise plays with variable volume when an enemy player model is within a certain area of the field of view, likely centered around the crosshair. This is very troubling because it potentially implies his teammates were complicit with the cheating since this type of info gathering is most useful for the IGL. There's no way to prove that, so making the accusation is irresponsible. The purpose of mentioning it is because it paints a picture of why an organazation looking to cheat would pick up a player with poor reputation, and also why leagues need to have a unified ban list.
This comment needs to go to viral in the gaming community. I know it's all been said before, but for some reason it seems that a whole massive chunk of the cs2 playerbase in general have never heard of nor considered of any of these details. So many players are awful at detecting cheaters that they don't realise just how many cheaters play this game.
@@danjacksonguitar3701 Genuinely, thank you. I think about this often because of people like Barry Bonds. He was one of the best hitters in the history of baseball, and he ended up using steroids to gain an advantage. People assert that he was only good because of that, but they don't realize it was his swing discipline that made him so good. He was equally valuable when he was struck out because it generally meant the pitches risked grounding out into a double-play. He was so good not just for his slugging, but also because it was almost impossible to capitalize on him making a mistake, so he was intentionally walked constantly, even.with the bases loaded.
@@complic4ted361 it should be, but it isn't. You're expecting the counter strike community to use their brains, which is sadly too hopeful most of the time. There are so many people who still don't understand game sense is different when you can study your opponents beforehand. Perfectly normal plays are called for esp all the time because some people don't understand how professional players have information that wasn't given to them through the game.
5:34 - it's called "prefire"'. he simply expected them to come around the corner; bomb was there and only 34 seconds until the end of the round. It's just common sense and insane reactions from him.
Nothing. There isn't anything sus about it. You can hear 3 dudes coming, so you prefire. "Instant reactions" the type of person that accuses everyone of cheating.
The anticheat caught him, admins reviewed the detection and decided it was real. He got banned. We know he was cheating, the point is to try and figure out how, the idea is hes a pro if anybody can hide cheats its him especially since we always give them benefit of the doubt because they rlly do have godly gamesense and aim already. The idea is hes using some sort of sonar or esp that helps him know where people are, potential some very light aim assist, not the snappying and magic bullets youre used to seeing from kids blatant cheating. Its not saying X or Y play is suspect especially for someone like him, its just trying to spot what COULD be explained by cheats and see if there was anything that did make it obvious from gameplay.
@@User-kq3od I wasn't saying that he wasn't cheating, he was indeed, I mentioned that part specifically just because he said it was an obvious reaction of a cheater.
@@bgdrrs He smokes it because he knows from the shots they r on the far right side of the alley. Y would he smoke n then pre fire to the left side unless he knew they were pushing. But in general that map was just perfect shot setups the entire time.
You should sort it by most sus moments instead of rounds, 9 minutes in and there is nothing really weird other than prefires and "lucky" kills through smokes and that makes me not want to watch it anymore.
Just wanna put out there that before Joel became a pro (He was already very good at a young age) he scammed some other swedish high level players out of at the very least $10k to fund his gambling addiction. He was 14/15 years old at the time. It probably is way more than $10k but I've only personally talked to a couple of the victims so I wouldn't know the extent of his scams. I wish I knew more honestly because I was very intrigued at the time but due to possible lawsuits etc I wasn't given much more than the rough estimate of the money scammed from the couple victims I talked to. He's been nothing but bad news since all of that happened.
He was not banned mid game but he was banned before the match started when he launched his game through akros. Also in what world is CCT a 4 million dollar tournament?
fun fact: if you keep your eyes open you will see the same habits joel shows in this demo like „look how he lines up perfectly through the wall. coincidence? I think not“ ah moments when observing almost every other pro player. Conclusions are up to you. You can see it pretty good on joel because he is kind of bad with movement and angles in comparison to other pros…
His movement is good. And that’s not true at all. Go watch donk, Niko, monesy or any of them play. Prob around 60% of their shots are still reactionary even with shit tons of information. This guy literally had impeccable crosshair placement and impeccable timings every second of each round. Even off angles, double setups, or no information he wasn’t even scanning/reacting just blatantly lining people up. The clip at 13:01 has me dying too. Bro gets a perfect 3k with perfect crosshair placement. Meanwhile he’s been spam checking angles all game, then he’s like “oh shit that might’ve been sus” then just holds the worst possible angle for 10+ seconds. And doesn’t check temple once despite his teammate coming up donut…. I mean porn has better acting🤦🏽♂️
@@some1csgo take those 110 people and go somewhere else we dont care about this we care that someone does videos about the cheating that is constantly in online gaming now if you dont like the quality leave
@@abcw-sm8tryou‘re gonna have a tough time in life kiddo. This is what ‚comments‘ are for. Feedback. His videos will improve on feedback and reach more people. Doing effectively more for the community. This is good.
To the other team, playing against someone like this will be absolutely apparent. The cheater will shoot a millisecond ahead of seeing you turn the corner. So you’ll never get the first shot off. Any good player will know that it’s 50/50 depending on latency, reaction time, closeness to an angle, and speed of the peek versus the player holding. Even things like how far away to hold from a corner when centering your crosshair. Which in joel’s case he always holds as tight as possible. No room for error or overshoot. Nobody puts their crosshair right up against the wall. Unless they’re beginner. Or have inhuman reactions.
1:35 Right off the bat he keeps flicking his mouse to turn as he runs down middle and up to short. It looks like he’s checking elbow. But he’s not. He’s panning from B to A, seeing where the Ts are setting up to hit. And likely comming that to teammates. Why isn’t he supposed to check mid? Because he has a teammate sitting in cubby holding elbow. He has no reason to turn other than to confirm enemy positions through the wall. He repeats this behavior every single round. Random camera turns across the whole map. It looks smooth to the uninitiated. But watching it back, the unnatural movements make sense.
It's because of competitiveness. Wherever you have competition you will have cheating, especially if there's money involved. Some people are also so obsessed by being the best that they do whatever it takes, especially against pro players who are actually good at the game so they can make a name for themselves, it's really pathetic, but they don't seem to care.
@@karlkarlsson9126 Second part is such a bad take. Obsession with being the best wouldn't lead someone to cheating as that would go against their moral standing in the first place. People who cheats doesn't care about being the best that's why they rather take shortcuts than actually putting in the work.
@@pdawg6949For some people it has everything to do with perception and their own insecurity. All they care about are being looked at as great, even if they have to swindle people into believing it. Deep down they know they are wrong, but they are insecure and need to do what it takes to make people think otherwise. I've seen a video where a streamer is arrogantly telling his viewers (who question his gameplay) how he is the greatest shot they've ever seen in an almost narcissistic way and the idiot didn't realize his cheat software was seen behind another window on his screen. His face completely changes as soon as he realizes that everyone can see his cheat software and he shuts down the stream. That being said I'm sure not every cheater feels the need to be seen as the best.
3:08 clearly looking at the guy through the wall. if u pause it directly on that time u can see the exact pixel of him looking at the player through the wall before even peaking
this is more sus than many of the other comments, like why would you aim in the middle of the box there, either you aim right or left, it doesn't make sense as you say.
I don't understand where the idea that he is using radar comes from. Judging from this and 2 other maps I've seen of him it's certainly some kind of wall hack, it fits his behavior much better. I think every time he walks in to a smoke is the only part of his game that is blatant, he just does not get disoriented but will constantly turn the camera to face positions or opponents it's almost impossible for a legit player to re-create.
if you have somewhat decent movement and look at your minimap while in a smoke you wont get disoriented ever but its obvious this dude got more than a minimap to help him in a smoke
He was accused by one of the literal worst AC programs ever, that has been historically so bad it needed to be disabled to continue play. While I'm not supporting or defending him, I'd like to get more confirmation than Akros.
Imagine flying half way around the world to enter a gaming contest with a 4 million dollar prize pool and your team gets disqualified because of some scum bag cheater.
constructive criticism the game audio is at 100 needs to be at 10 maybe 25 max. If we cant hear you there is no reason for you to be commentating. I actually muted this video at around the 8-9 min mark and still got just as much information as i would have if i had kept the sound on and tried to hear you. End of story the audio needs to be adjusted because we cant hear you over the constant explosions and gunfire.
in 18:34 you can see on detail (0.25x) how he starts swinging right very smoothly exactly before the guy's leg is out the wall (maybe at the time)... those reflexes are impossible. Also he preaims the enemy though the wall before repicking, what has no sense as the enemy could be on the right or have a teammate with him. He was definentelly walling in some rounds. Also the last bullet when the enemy jumps on the left and he stops shoting, goes weirdly following the enemy but the crosshair did not change position...
there is probably some in the highest level, thing is you need expensive private cheats thats hard to come by, so your average lvl 3-9 dude will most likely not have a private cheat unless they are filthy rich or knows how to code the cheat themself, i have 2300 faceit macthes in lvl 6-10 and ive come across 5 hackers where it was obivous, and a handful sus people that might used radar or very soft aim assist
@@mikeholm4455 I mean with dma cheating becoming more accessible it really isn't too expensive to get a UD cheat for faceit. Free dma cheat and a private custom firmware would go undetected on faceit
5:30 was not very suspect actually. Remember that he knew a smoke was there so he was waiting for the guy hiding in the corner, then he heard the AWP fire and heard the footsteps anyway. There were no surprises here. There were way more suspicious moments, even before this one that you didn't comment on, like accidentally aiming at people who were completely still and silent through walls and obstacles or demonstrating suspicion when he turned his back toward someone who he shouldn't know is there but actually does etc.
That's because he's a pro player. Pro players who get caught cheating, are still at the pro level and at the top 1% of players. Their just scum who try to get an easy win especially happens when a lot of money is on the line.
Good, F em for doing this in a pro match. Cheating for prize money should result in prison time in all parts of the world. Its fraud at the least and breaching a secure PC at most. Valve should sue any pro caught using tools to cheat in games or making a profit by betting skins on there matches. Banning them isnt enough of a deterrent for these guys. They need real reasons to fear you. Not this sad excuse of an anti-cheat this game has to the point you need to PAY someone else to enjoy there game.
Ive watched it until 7:30 and havent seen anything sus. Most things seem to me just proper preaim and games. If you hear several close to you and you expect them to overwhelm you its common to prefire. Thats why he was even checking a boost after someone died there because he listened to the sound que. Also spamming the cave smoke when you clearly hear someone crossing isnt uncommon at all. Is there any further information what kind of cheat he used?
@5:47 how can you say he was lining up his shot thru the wall prefire, when ten seconds prior, you can clearly see his opponents tracers coming from that direction?!?! Ive only got 2400hrs so im no pro, but even thats obvious to me!
at 5:12 I think its super weird that he turns around to look at the awp in mid full 180 exposing his back to tunnel instead of just holding the angle and even when he held it, his crosshair placement was so off that it seemed like he was 100% sure nobody was coming (weird mouse movement could mean there was something wrong with his mouse). U could say he was in antiflash but if u antiflash do u actually make a whole 180 without any sound or info of possible flash. But this kind of act is something u never see from pros.
While I’m not excusing it, I do understand people cheating for money. People do a little worse for it. What really gets me is just your random average gamer cheating just “for fun.” Both are wrong, but I really can’t understand the mindset when money isn’t on the line
Most of it looks fine tbh. Common spots, common angles, common pre-fires and some team play where the forward player clears right while Joel holds left and it just happens the enemy is left. 16:10 this whole play is fine the nades are fine, he hears a step as he leaves van, his teammate is tagged by him at default and he hard clears it. 17:50 there's so many angles he ignores but they might have heard the CT guy earlier and made a play where they assumed he'd be running to CT and tried to get a timing. the pre-aim is fine if he wasn't there he would have either held that exact angle or just peeked a bit wider. These games just feel pretty legit. But I suppose that's the point right... Also the audio balancing sucks if I have it loud enough to hear you talk I get my ear drums blown out when they shoot or nade. Even closed captions just goes blank because it has NFI
5:52i dont think that was case he wasnt cheating that round he shot cuz he saw the gun barrel and with the pros reaction it look likes a hack ik he cheated but didnt cheat that round lol
5:40 you can see that the T picked up the bomb after it was dropped, and you should know that you can see the dropped bomb stops pinging in the minimap once its picked up, so this prefire wasn't sus at all imo
You're telling me someone was cheating during a 4 million dollar tournament?! I could've never guessed someone would even attempt such a thing! Glad he got caught i suppose, really sucks for the rest of the competitors though.
Omg I haven't watched your channel in literally several years since even before covid I think. but I just outta the blue remembered it and so glad I found it again. I got alot to catch up on now.
5:29 Heard a footstep. I might have sprayed the box too knowing they might swing. 5:03 What interests me is when he goes into that corner and aims at the wall and not the opening when the enemy was across from him behind the wall. What was he focusing on? The map or a cheat?
3:47-3:52, he clears 2 positions-looks at wall for ''some'' reason, exactly at 3:51, the crosshair placement wasnt even to the doors after it? :D Sure, you could say hes ''checking doors' , but theres hes teammate already that has that angle, so he wont cross without kill/info.
@@Kevin-us7jcyes I did a lot of pre fire back in the day on 1.5. You know how high to aim and when you hear ppl walk you can time it just right. I’m not saying he didn’t cheat but at such high levels it’s hard to sometimes really know.
it seems like you have some audio setting activated, that lowers the volume of your microphone recording, because the video takes precedence. It should be setup in the opposite way if anything.
Calm down girls, if he gets banned because of that tournament it's for a reason, it's not like this guy is judging for free, you understand? There's evidence that you won't see here.
5:40 that's completely normal though, because the bomb is down, it's very likely people would swing him when he throws a smoke to try and catch him before the smoke blooms. He's just prefiring under the assumption that they will swing.
Not really, he's just positioning the crosshair at logical spots, enemy just happens to be behind that walls. I thought it would be obvious cheating video, but I sincerely watched half of the video and didn't see obvious cheat yet, also he looks pretty mid compared to other pros. PS: Are there really 4 million $$$ prize matches played on uncontrolled environments?
you dont need to see to know where the other players are... their footsteps give away where theyre so you can prefire if you hear them about to peek past an edge
How on earth do they let someone plug in a USB or even have access to the internet to get cheat files..... Its pretty crazy. They should watch everyone closely until the game starts then the coach can be the one walking around.
What is the best way to submit demos or games for review? I had this SUPER good game the other day and this guy called “JesseV threatened to “expose” me for cheating, and says he submitted my demo to you. Would LOVE to see you review it, I know you wasting time, as I’m legit, and this is a low elo game (12-15k) But this guy was so arrogant and cocky, that i think he harrases a lot more people like this falsly threatning them. He needs see someone with skill explain what is ahppening, as he clearly can’t get it.
16:29 when he molly the enemy he jumped off balcony car, at same time his team is pushing short and giving info he is car. Of course they know where he is. When they killed bench guy they knew he had to be site or rockets. Invisible showed he is default he pushed and got trade. CS 101
Tbh bro your calling every prefire angle he puts his ch or "obvious" and "suspicious", any good player knows to prefire or at least hold their ch to at least 70% of these angles, nothing suspicious
Some questionable choices, some questionable moments. I dont think those demos themself would be enough. There was one moment at the first map that was red flag for me, but most of other moments could be given to doubts.
You sound like a reporter that's reporting from the battlefield
xD made ma day
the best comment
😂😂😂😂
he is repeating the word cheating over and over xD
this guy is talking and commenting the games like normal things are
happening, it sounds pathetic most of the times.
The in-game audio es too loud!
Agreed
yea i can't hear him talking
No its perfect
I can’t hear anything he is saying
Yeah can't watch it like this sadge
My main concern is how he is able to kill someone who is invisible.
🤣😂🤣, it's bad enough invisible walked into the bullet spray but to also duck and ensure it's a head shot is crazy
heat vision hax 😂
even low levels do this, u just assume that someone is in the smoke and u just spray... it works sometimes
@@wee8149 my guy hes making a joke about the guys name 😭
@@t3h51d3w1nd3r Some of them, I feel bad for Invisiblee, but if we're thinking of the same, I gotta say, Joel earned that one.
Bro is a dedicated journalist reporting straight from battlefield
I'm convinced that journalists turned liberals to talk about social conflicts instead of actively going into wars to report what happens there.
@@Ssek16it's called a joke bud
@@jeesusapotol9715 I wasn't responding directly to his comment, I was solely giving my own opinion about journalism.
What a way to flame yourself 😆
@@Ssek16why tf are you giving your opinion on journalism in a cs2 comment section?
@@Ssek16 sir this is mcdonalds
I get that he is cheating but at 5:35 there was literally NOTHING suspicious
Agreed, he heard one running and started pre-firing, which is smart but also basic
i agreed one hearing footsteps then pre-firing. plus c4 was there more reason to just prefire into it.
Looks like a wallhack, look at 2:03, he can see the other players. The movement makes no sense otherwise.
@@dl1st this rather looks like he left his mouse to scratch himself. Nothing unusual imo.
Also the players on a heard the Ts running so I guess a rush was called in the comms
@@mumbaydi Could be but the video has not all round starts in. I think it happened much more often. I think these parts were cut out on purpose.
Something noteworthy is pro players who cheat and get away with it often aren't cheating for most of the time they play. It's generally going to be cheating for extra information on the slow parts of pivital rounds before engagement or at the end of rounds looking for exit kills. These players are incredibly good, even when they're not cheating; they cheat to gain information they're already aware is possible but not certain of. It's impossible to distinguish from good gamesense if done right since part of playing at their level is having information they're not supposed to from researching their opponents.
These aren't MM scrubs, they don't toggle harder when they're losing, they don't toggle off when they're winning. The goal is to create a consistent view from the outside looking in where a shift in performance is a shift in performance, not a shift in software.
5:40 isn't suspect imo, it's a prefire onto players they know are pushing, lined up with the head-level of the back wall. Due to the proximity of the corner, it makes sense to aim for there since the enemy at the far wall sees you before you see them, and in this case, the difference in meeting time is long enough to justify prefiring because the enemy will nearly always win a fair engagement.
2:30 Is a great demonstration of something suspicious, given what we know now. Moments like these are common among legitimate players, but notice how Joel's crosshair seems to drift towards the players behind the smoke, and once they cross, he fixes his crosshair on the right wall rather than on the center of the smoke. It's a subtle shift in attitude that would imply Joel knew they crossed. As for the method of cheating, it looks like a form of sound ESP where some kind of noise plays with variable volume when an enemy player model is within a certain area of the field of view, likely centered around the crosshair. This is very troubling because it potentially implies his teammates were complicit with the cheating since this type of info gathering is most useful for the IGL. There's no way to prove that, so making the accusation is irresponsible. The purpose of mentioning it is because it paints a picture of why an organazation looking to cheat would pick up a player with poor reputation, and also why leagues need to have a unified ban list.
This comment needs to go to viral in the gaming community. I know it's all been said before, but for some reason it seems that a whole massive chunk of the cs2 playerbase in general have never heard of nor considered of any of these details. So many players are awful at detecting cheaters that they don't realise just how many cheaters play this game.
@@danjacksonguitar3701 Genuinely, thank you. I think about this often because of people like Barry Bonds. He was one of the best hitters in the history of baseball, and he ended up using steroids to gain an advantage. People assert that he was only good because of that, but they don't realize it was his swing discipline that made him so good. He was equally valuable when he was struck out because it generally meant the pitches risked grounding out into a double-play. He was so good not just for his slugging, but also because it was almost impossible to capitalize on him making a mistake, so he was intentionally walked constantly, even.with the bases loaded.
Sorry to say it boys, this has been commen knowledges since 1.6. The OGs just accepting that the anti cheats sucks and allways will.
@@complic4ted361 the OGs have been jaded from day one then, no?
@@complic4ted361 it should be, but it isn't. You're expecting the counter strike community to use their brains, which is sadly too hopeful most of the time. There are so many people who still don't understand game sense is different when you can study your opponents beforehand. Perfectly normal plays are called for esp all the time because some people don't understand how professional players have information that wasn't given to them through the game.
Fix the audio, cant hear you speaking
You don't want to he keeps repeating the same thing haha
@@wafflecart Crisp clean lock bois!
Whaaaattt????😂😂😂
5:34 - it's called "prefire"'. he simply expected them to come around the corner; bomb was there and only 34 seconds until the end of the round. It's just common sense and insane reactions from him.
You can also see his gun too
not to mention the T player is running so he can clearly hear the audio.
what about 9:07?
Cool story broski, one misplaced clip in 25 minutes of hacking, innocent!
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5:40 its called a prefire, he knew at least 1 guy there, so what's sus about this one in particular?
Nothing. There isn't anything sus about it. You can hear 3 dudes coming, so you prefire. "Instant reactions" the type of person that accuses everyone of cheating.
The anticheat caught him, admins reviewed the detection and decided it was real. He got banned.
We know he was cheating, the point is to try and figure out how, the idea is hes a pro if anybody can hide cheats its him especially since we always give them benefit of the doubt because they rlly do have godly gamesense and aim already.
The idea is hes using some sort of sonar or esp that helps him know where people are, potential some very light aim assist, not the snappying and magic bullets youre used to seeing from kids blatant cheating.
Its not saying X or Y play is suspect especially for someone like him, its just trying to spot what COULD be explained by cheats and see if there was anything that did make it obvious from gameplay.
@@User-kq3od I wasn't saying that he wasn't cheating, he was indeed, I mentioned that part specifically just because he said it was an obvious reaction of a cheater.
@@bgdrrs He smokes it because he knows from the shots they r on the far right side of the alley. Y would he smoke n then pre fire to the left side unless he knew they were pushing. But in general that map was just perfect shot setups the entire time.
@@youtubenightcrawler9571 its a no brainer that if you hear 3 guys, running right when you smoke, they will peek.
that gives bad reputation for all players named "joel". Once you see a fella with that name, you know he's cracked out of his mind
so being cracked out of your mind is a bad thing?
@@sssamjamyes pretty much
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You should sort it by most sus moments instead of rounds, 9 minutes in and there is nothing really weird other than prefires and "lucky" kills through smokes and that makes me not want to watch it anymore.
hahahah i stoped at 8 min 21 sec and i was thinking the same
lol same I just checked my timeline its 8 minutes and I went into comments to look for a conclusion
view time brother thats how they get paid. Lucky hes monitzied so he gets some good moneyz
This guy was not cheating. Sometimes your opponent is just having a good day...
My guy he has BEEN BANNED what do you mean????
@@DerglesnafVROOOOooom (the sound of the joke going over your head)
Bro why this 0iq? @@Derglesnaf
nahh this guy acting😂
Just wanna put out there that before Joel became a pro (He was already very good at a young age) he scammed some other swedish high level players out of at the very least $10k to fund his gambling addiction. He was 14/15 years old at the time. It probably is way more than $10k but I've only personally talked to a couple of the victims so I wouldn't know the extent of his scams. I wish I knew more honestly because I was very intrigued at the time but due to possible lawsuits etc I wasn't given much more than the rough estimate of the money scammed from the couple victims I talked to. He's been nothing but bad news since all of that happened.
What a Chad.
Joel have been in my house. I feel bad for having him here after all the shit
He was not banned mid game but he was banned before the match started when he launched his game through akros. Also in what world is CCT a 4 million dollar tournament?
lol yeah, this guys is comletely curios, he probably wrote the scrips himself with the 4m prize pool, for the title.
clueless*
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Yeah, when did CS host a tournament with 4m prizepool 😂 this guy js clueless af
Ngl most of his comments show he isn’t that good at the game
fun fact: if you keep your eyes open you will see the same habits joel shows in this demo like „look how he lines up perfectly through the wall. coincidence? I think not“ ah moments when observing almost every other pro player. Conclusions are up to you. You can see it pretty good on joel because he is kind of bad with movement and angles in comparison to other pros…
Yup, plus lots of clips look "sus" when you put it in slow-mo
His movement is good. And that’s not true at all. Go watch donk, Niko, monesy or any of them play. Prob around 60% of their shots are still reactionary even with shit tons of information. This guy literally had impeccable crosshair placement and impeccable timings every second of each round. Even off angles, double setups, or no information he wasn’t even scanning/reacting just blatantly lining people up. The clip at 13:01 has me dying too. Bro gets a perfect 3k with perfect crosshair placement. Meanwhile he’s been spam checking angles all game, then he’s like “oh shit that might’ve been sus” then just holds the worst possible angle for 10+ seconds. And doesn’t check temple once despite his teammate coming up donut…. I mean porn has better acting🤦🏽♂️
Valve allows cheaters to roam freely in the game, causing grudge and hatred among people.
nice audio mixing hahaha I can barely hear you
I can hear him just fine.. skill issue
@@PapaGrim01yeah when there‘s no game sound. 110 people seem to disagree with you. (Top comment and my comment)
@@PapaGrim01nah the audio mixing is awful
@@some1csgo take those 110 people and go somewhere else we dont care about this we care that someone does videos about the cheating that is constantly in online gaming now if you dont like the quality leave
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To the other team, playing against someone like this will be absolutely apparent. The cheater will shoot a millisecond ahead of seeing you turn the corner. So you’ll never get the first shot off. Any good player will know that it’s 50/50 depending on latency, reaction time, closeness to an angle, and speed of the peek versus the player holding. Even things like how far away to hold from a corner when centering your crosshair. Which in joel’s case he always holds as tight as possible. No room for error or overshoot. Nobody puts their crosshair right up against the wall. Unless they’re beginner. Or have inhuman reactions.
First round looked like he was a faceit level 3....
1:35 Right off the bat he keeps flicking his mouse to turn as he runs down middle and up to short. It looks like he’s checking elbow. But he’s not. He’s panning from B to A, seeing where the Ts are setting up to hit. And likely comming that to teammates. Why isn’t he supposed to check mid? Because he has a teammate sitting in cubby holding elbow. He has no reason to turn other than to confirm enemy positions through the wall. He repeats this behavior every single round. Random camera turns across the whole map. It looks smooth to the uninitiated. But watching it back, the unnatural movements make sense.
Would be sad to let such a good catch go unacknowledged. Nice spot, dude. We need more people like you in gaming. :)
5:35 can’t he hear the footsteps?
I think the worse cheaters are the ones that are already good at the game.
It's because of competitiveness. Wherever you have competition you will have cheating, especially if there's money involved. Some people are also so obsessed by being the best that they do whatever it takes, especially against pro players who are actually good at the game so they can make a name for themselves, it's really pathetic, but they don't seem to care.
@@karlkarlsson9126 Second part is such a bad take. Obsession with being the best wouldn't lead someone to cheating as that would go against their moral standing in the first place. People who cheats doesn't care about being the best that's why they rather take shortcuts than actually putting in the work.
@@pdawg6949For some people it has everything to do with perception and their own insecurity. All they care about are being looked at as great, even if they have to swindle people into believing it. Deep down they know they are wrong, but they are insecure and need to do what it takes to make people think otherwise. I've seen a video where a streamer is arrogantly telling his viewers (who question his gameplay) how he is the greatest shot they've ever seen in an almost narcissistic way and the idiot didn't realize his cheat software was seen behind another window on his screen. His face completely changes as soon as he realizes that everyone can see his cheat software and he shuts down the stream. That being said I'm sure not every cheater feels the need to be seen as the best.
I think you reversed the audio balancing on your channels by mistake.
3:08 clearly looking at the guy through the wall. if u pause it directly on that time u can see the exact pixel of him looking at the player through the wall before even peaking
this is more sus than many of the other comments, like why would you aim in the middle of the box there, either you aim right or left, it doesn't make sense as you say.
@@zapy-85 when you swing, you preaim
I don't understand where the idea that he is using radar comes from. Judging from this and 2 other maps I've seen of him it's certainly some kind of wall hack, it fits his behavior much better.
I think every time he walks in to a smoke is the only part of his game that is blatant, he just does not get disoriented but will constantly turn the camera to face positions or opponents it's almost impossible for a legit player to re-create.
if you have somewhat decent movement and look at your minimap while in a smoke you wont get disoriented ever
but its obvious this dude got more than a minimap to help him in a smoke
imagine CS pushing anti-cheat silently just before tournament to expose a lot of cheaters in the tournament.
3:25 the mercy kill here is hilarious. “Oh the guy is 1hp, lets put him out if his misery.”
all CS players should form a class action lawsuit against valve
to accomplish what exactly?
I think he toggled off the last couple CT rounds on ancient, the way he plays/peeks is quite normal and different from all the other rounds
Possibly, because they're way ahead on scoreboard.
He was accused by one of the literal worst AC programs ever, that has been historically so bad it needed to be disabled to continue play.
While I'm not supporting or defending him, I'd like to get more confirmation than Akros.
IN GAME AUDIO TOO LOUD!!!
At this point I'm just watching the match without the narrator
This game has so many hackers on ranked even there youtube commercials show the players having wall hacks lmao
Cheating or bet scam = lifetime ban.
How hard is it?
Its like playing a game of csgo with your headset on and someone is speaking to you irl. 😂💀
3:30 crosshair placement on point😂
Prize pools like this calls for cheating. I bet he was not the only one.
joel the clara trifecta
Damn it, Clara strikes again...
Im starting to think valve is letting them and just worried about map updates
there has never been a tournament $4.000.000 ... where do you get your information from?
Imagine flying half way around the world to enter a gaming contest with a 4 million dollar prize pool and your team gets disqualified because of some scum bag cheater.
constructive criticism the game audio is at 100 needs to be at 10 maybe 25 max. If we cant hear you there is no reason for you to be commentating. I actually muted this video at around the 8-9 min mark and still got just as much information as i would have if i had kept the sound on and tried to hear you. End of story the audio needs to be adjusted because we cant hear you over the constant explosions and gunfire.
that smoke for the ninja defuse look so weird when he throws it,
It ain't about the anticheat anymore, its about mentality..
@7:07 that was text book wall hacking. nothing to see in the smoke but snapped to the guys head and followed him with his crosshairs
in 18:34 you can see on detail (0.25x) how he starts swinging right very smoothly exactly before the guy's leg is out the wall (maybe at the time)... those reflexes are impossible. Also he preaims the enemy though the wall before repicking, what has no sense as the enemy could be on the right or have a teammate with him. He was definentelly walling in some rounds.
Also the last bullet when the enemy jumps on the left and he stops shoting, goes weirdly following the enemy but the crosshair did not change position...
With pros getting caught recently it makes me wonder how bad cheaters are on faceit
there is probably some in the highest level, thing is you need expensive private cheats thats hard to come by, so your average lvl 3-9 dude will most likely not have a private cheat unless they are filthy rich or knows how to code the cheat themself, i have 2300 faceit macthes in lvl 6-10 and ive come across 5 hackers where it was obivous, and a handful sus people that might used radar or very soft aim assist
@@mikeholm4455 I mean with dma cheating becoming more accessible it really isn't too expensive to get a UD cheat for faceit. Free dma cheat and a private custom firmware would go undetected on faceit
i have a private dma cheat on faceit ive been using for 4 years no ban😂
I mean yh if u have 3 braincells yk how to not grt caught with dma @@ceses6526
@@ceses6526is it some spray / aim assist? Or a wallhack? Just curious.
The fact he constantly kills a player or two and turns his back and never checks for any more players is a big red flag
Not really
Looks like a demo of a lvl10 smurfing in a silver lobby... Except that those are all pro players.
5:30 was not very suspect actually. Remember that he knew a smoke was there so he was waiting for the guy hiding in the corner, then he heard the AWP fire and heard the footsteps anyway. There were no surprises here. There were way more suspicious moments, even before this one that you didn't comment on, like accidentally aiming at people who were completely still and silent through walls and obstacles or demonstrating suspicion when he turned his back toward someone who he shouldn't know is there but actually does etc.
Tbh his pre aim is not sus at all .
That's because he's a pro player. Pro players who get caught cheating, are still at the pro level and at the top 1% of players. Their just scum who try to get an easy win especially happens when a lot of money is on the line.
can you put sus gameplay time stamps on videoS?
nope
Good, F em for doing this in a pro match. Cheating for prize money should result in prison time in all parts of the world. Its fraud at the least and breaching a secure PC at most. Valve should sue any pro caught using tools to cheat in games or making a profit by betting skins on there matches. Banning them isnt enough of a deterrent for these guys. They need real reasons to fear you. Not this sad excuse of an anti-cheat this game has to the point you need to PAY someone else to enjoy there game.
Ive watched it until 7:30 and havent seen anything sus. Most things seem to me just proper preaim and games. If you hear several close to you and you expect them to overwhelm you its common to prefire. Thats why he was even checking a boost after someone died there because he listened to the sound que. Also spamming the cave smoke when you clearly hear someone crossing isnt uncommon at all. Is there any further information what kind of cheat he used?
Can't watch this. The game audio is overriding your explanation. I have no idea what's going on.
3:57 ... just before there, his mouse is on the ground below the player and the bullets were hitting centre mass
@5:47 how can you say he was lining up his shot thru the wall prefire, when ten seconds prior, you can clearly see his opponents tracers coming from that direction?!?! Ive only got 2400hrs so im no pro, but even thats obvious to me!
at 5:12 I think its super weird that he turns around to look at the awp in mid full 180 exposing his back to tunnel instead of just holding the angle and even when he held it, his crosshair placement was so off that it seemed like he was 100% sure nobody was coming (weird mouse movement could mean there was something wrong with his mouse). U could say he was in antiflash but if u antiflash do u actually make a whole 180 without any sound or info of possible flash. But this kind of act is something u never see from pros.
you got the audio mixed up replay is waaaay too loud
Volume of the game too loud. Can't hear your voice at times.
he is probably radarhacking, but not aimlocking, or what so ever
I think so too
@@Panchirito_Official I also think he wasn't using aim assist apart from maybe the match winning 4k on ancient
While I’m not excusing it, I do understand people cheating for money. People do a little worse for it. What really gets me is just your random average gamer cheating just “for fun.” Both are wrong, but I really can’t understand the mindset when money isn’t on the line
Most of it looks fine tbh. Common spots, common angles, common pre-fires and some team play where the forward player clears right while Joel holds left and it just happens the enemy is left. 16:10 this whole play is fine the nades are fine, he hears a step as he leaves van, his teammate is tagged by him at default and he hard clears it. 17:50 there's so many angles he ignores but they might have heard the CT guy earlier and made a play where they assumed he'd be running to CT and tried to get a timing. the pre-aim is fine if he wasn't there he would have either held that exact angle or just peeked a bit wider. These games just feel pretty legit. But I suppose that's the point right...
Also the audio balancing sucks if I have it loud enough to hear you talk I get my ear drums blown out when they shoot or nade. Even closed captions just goes blank because it has NFI
Where can I hear your full commentary without cuts
game audio is so quiet can u lift up the volume of the game audio
@5:17. What is that. He turns automatically when the awp fires
5:52i dont think that was case he wasnt cheating that round he shot cuz he saw the gun barrel and with the pros reaction it look likes a hack ik he cheated but didnt cheat that round lol
He maybe prefired like why not in this situation when you know that there are opponents 🤷🏻♂️
wasn't this guy also accused of match fixing but there wasn't enough evidence found?
Team shouldn't be allowed to sub a cheater. Whole team should pay the price, then maybe they'd keep their players in check
5:40 you can see that the T picked up the bomb after it was dropped, and you should know that you can see the dropped bomb stops pinging in the minimap once its picked up, so this prefire wasn't sus at all imo
You're telling me someone was cheating during a 4 million dollar tournament?! I could've never guessed someone would even attempt such a thing! Glad he got caught i suppose, really sucks for the rest of the competitors though.
Omg I haven't watched your channel in literally several years since even before covid I think. but I just outta the blue remembered it and so glad I found it again. I got alot to catch up on now.
i rly tried focusing on the video, but your loud mic always distracted me.
Cannot hear what you say because the game sounds are loud as hell
Did you say something during the match?
did you watch this video back bro?
i can hear about 30% of what you were saying homie
5:29 Heard a footstep. I might have sprayed the box too knowing they might swing.
5:03 What interests me is when he goes into that corner and aims at the wall and not the opening when the enemy was across from him behind the wall. What was he focusing on? The map or a cheat?
Dude look @ 3:50 when he checked enemies behind him. Watch where his crosshair was pointing. 😂 Pretty easy to spot a cheater.
3:47-3:52, he clears 2 positions-looks at wall for ''some'' reason, exactly at 3:51, the crosshair placement wasnt even to the doors after it? :D
Sure, you could say hes ''checking doors' , but theres hes teammate already that has that angle, so he wont cross without kill/info.
That's what I'm trying to say. Glad I'm not the only one that noticed it.
you can hear a step and water sfx.
I guess he played so good that people thinks it's hack.
lol. You fucking delusionnal. If you think he does good plays you crazy, and probably an old gold nova.
he got detected by the anti cheat. It's not just speculation lol
Nah bro just look at 9:07 , he does have wallhack :)
@@bbi2005 im not defending him in any way , but in that particular case its a very common pre aim/fire spot
@@Kevin-us7jcyes I did a lot of pre fire back in the day on 1.5. You know how high to aim and when you hear ppl walk you can time it just right. I’m not saying he didn’t cheat but at such high levels it’s hard to sometimes really know.
it seems like you have some audio setting activated, that lowers the volume of your microphone recording, because the video takes precedence. It should be setup in the opposite way if anything.
so Cs2 anticheat only works in tournament? Prime server flooded with chinese spinbot
Calm down girls, if he gets banned because of that tournament it's for a reason, it's not like this guy is judging for free, you understand? There's evidence that you won't see here.
5:40 that's completely normal though, because the bomb is down, it's very likely people would swing him when he throws a smoke to try and catch him before the smoke blooms. He's just prefiring under the assumption that they will swing.
1:15 hes already looking through the walls
Not really, he's just positioning the crosshair at logical spots, enemy just happens to be behind that walls. I thought it would be obvious cheating video, but I sincerely watched half of the video and didn't see obvious cheat yet, also he looks pretty mid compared to other pros.
PS: Are there really 4 million $$$ prize matches played on uncontrolled environments?
Shooting before he sees them? Bro had information from them shooting prior and was prefire knowing they were going to push his teamate to the left
13:05 imagine not checking ct when ur teammate is already holding the same angle. bro trying too hard to go unnoticed lmao
Exactly my thoughts.
Do you mean not checking temple?
you dont need to see to know where the other players are... their footsteps give away where theyre so you can prefire if you hear them about to peek past an edge
This event had a $50,000 prize pool. Not 4 million. Not even a major has a $4 million prize pool
he was still caught cheating on the pro scene by akros anti cheat, using aimbot and wallhack !
What resolution do you play at?
Who tf edited this video and said it was good for release lol? Can’t hear anything being said at all. The silent m4 is louder than the guy talking.
How on earth do they let someone plug in a USB or even have access to the internet to get cheat files..... Its pretty crazy. They should watch everyone closely until the game starts then the coach can be the one walking around.
Unless they were playing at home then thats a big problem. We need better anti cheat and It will bring back counterstrike for good
What is the best way to submit demos or games for review? I had this SUPER good game the other day and this guy called “JesseV threatened to “expose” me for cheating, and says he submitted my demo to you. Would LOVE to see you review it, I know you wasting time, as I’m legit, and this is a low elo game (12-15k) But this guy was so arrogant and cocky, that i think he harrases a lot more people like this falsly threatning them. He needs see someone with skill explain what is ahppening, as he clearly can’t get it.
16:29 when he molly the enemy he jumped off balcony car, at same time his team is pushing short and giving info he is car. Of course they know where he is. When they killed bench guy they knew he had to be site or rockets. Invisible showed he is default he pushed and got trade. CS 101
Tbh bro your calling every prefire angle he puts his ch or "obvious" and "suspicious", any good player knows to prefire or at least hold their ch to at least 70% of these angles, nothing suspicious
Some questionable choices, some questionable moments. I dont think those demos themself would be enough. There was one moment at the first map that was red flag for me, but most of other moments could be given to doubts.
$4m prizepool? What a clickbait title.
who cares about the prize pool ? this idiot got caught cheating by akros anti cheat
If someone like guardian doesn't realize one of his guys is cheating i question his own credibility.
that 5:45 clip is common and not suspicious, he knows they are pushing and hes stuck ina spot so hes just prefiring it???
At 1.55 why does he check his back?