Something noteworthy is pro players who cheat and get away with it often aren't cheating for most of the time they play. It's generally going to be cheating for extra information on the slow parts of pivital rounds before engagement or at the end of rounds looking for exit kills. These players are incredibly good, even when they're not cheating; they cheat to gain information they're already aware is possible but not certain of. It's impossible to distinguish from good gamesense if done right since part of playing at their level is having information they're not supposed to from researching their opponents. These aren't MM scrubs, they don't toggle harder when they're losing, they don't toggle off when they're winning. The goal is to create a consistent view from the outside looking in where a shift in performance is a shift in performance, not a shift in software. 5:40 isn't suspect imo, it's a prefire onto players they know are pushing, lined up with the head-level of the back wall. Due to the proximity of the corner, it makes sense to aim for there since the enemy at the far wall sees you before you see them, and in this case, the difference in meeting time is long enough to justify prefiring because the enemy will nearly always win a fair engagement. 2:30 Is a great demonstration of something suspicious, given what we know now. Moments like these are common among legitimate players, but notice how Joel's crosshair seems to drift towards the players behind the smoke, and once they cross, he fixes his crosshair on the right wall rather than on the center of the smoke. It's a subtle shift in attitude that would imply Joel knew they crossed. As for the method of cheating, it looks like a form of sound ESP where some kind of noise plays with variable volume when an enemy player model is within a certain area of the field of view, likely centered around the crosshair. This is very troubling because it potentially implies his teammates were complicit with the cheating since this type of info gathering is most useful for the IGL. There's no way to prove that, so making the accusation is irresponsible. The purpose of mentioning it is because it paints a picture of why an organazation looking to cheat would pick up a player with poor reputation, and also why leagues need to have a unified ban list.
This comment needs to go to viral in the gaming community. I know it's all been said before, but for some reason it seems that a whole massive chunk of the cs2 playerbase in general have never heard of nor considered of any of these details. So many players are awful at detecting cheaters that they don't realise just how many cheaters play this game.
@@danjacksonguitar3701 Genuinely, thank you. I think about this often because of people like Barry Bonds. He was one of the best hitters in the history of baseball, and he ended up using steroids to gain an advantage. People assert that he was only good because of that, but they don't realize it was his swing discipline that made him so good. He was equally valuable when he was struck out because it generally meant the pitches risked grounding out into a double-play. He was so good not just for his slugging, but also because it was almost impossible to capitalize on him making a mistake, so he was intentionally walked constantly, even.with the bases loaded.
@@complic4ted361 it should be, but it isn't. You're expecting the counter strike community to use their brains, which is sadly too hopeful most of the time. There are so many people who still don't understand game sense is different when you can study your opponents beforehand. Perfectly normal plays are called for esp all the time because some people don't understand how professional players have information that wasn't given to them through the game.
@@dl1st this rather looks like he left his mouse to scratch himself. Nothing unusual imo. Also the players on a heard the Ts running so I guess a rush was called in the comms
5:34 - it's called "prefire"'. he simply expected them to come around the corner; bomb was there and only 34 seconds until the end of the round. It's just common sense and insane reactions from him.
Nothing. There isn't anything sus about it. You can hear 3 dudes coming, so you prefire. "Instant reactions" the type of person that accuses everyone of cheating.
The anticheat caught him, admins reviewed the detection and decided it was real. He got banned. We know he was cheating, the point is to try and figure out how, the idea is hes a pro if anybody can hide cheats its him especially since we always give them benefit of the doubt because they rlly do have godly gamesense and aim already. The idea is hes using some sort of sonar or esp that helps him know where people are, potential some very light aim assist, not the snappying and magic bullets youre used to seeing from kids blatant cheating. Its not saying X or Y play is suspect especially for someone like him, its just trying to spot what COULD be explained by cheats and see if there was anything that did make it obvious from gameplay.
@@User-kq3od I wasn't saying that he wasn't cheating, he was indeed, I mentioned that part specifically just because he said it was an obvious reaction of a cheater.
@@bgdrrs He smokes it because he knows from the shots they r on the far right side of the alley. Y would he smoke n then pre fire to the left side unless he knew they were pushing. But in general that map was just perfect shot setups the entire time.
fun fact: if you keep your eyes open you will see the same habits joel shows in this demo like „look how he lines up perfectly through the wall. coincidence? I think not“ ah moments when observing almost every other pro player. Conclusions are up to you. You can see it pretty good on joel because he is kind of bad with movement and angles in comparison to other pros…
Just wanna put out there that before Joel became a pro (He was already very good at a young age) he scammed some other swedish high level players out of at the very least $10k to fund his gambling addiction. He was 14/15 years old at the time. It probably is way more than $10k but I've only personally talked to a couple of the victims so I wouldn't know the extent of his scams. I wish I knew more honestly because I was very intrigued at the time but due to possible lawsuits etc I wasn't given much more than the rough estimate of the money scammed from the couple victims I talked to. He's been nothing but bad news since all of that happened.
You should sort it by most sus moments instead of rounds, 9 minutes in and there is nothing really weird other than prefires and "lucky" kills through smokes and that makes me not want to watch it anymore.
He was not banned mid game but he was banned before the match started when he launched his game through akros. Also in what world is CCT a 4 million dollar tournament?
It's because of competitiveness. Wherever you have competition you will have cheating, especially if there's money involved. Some people are also so obsessed by being the best that they do whatever it takes, especially against pro players who are actually good at the game so they can make a name for themselves, it's really pathetic, but they don't seem to care.
5:40 you can see that the T picked up the bomb after it was dropped, and you should know that you can see the dropped bomb stops pinging in the minimap once its picked up, so this prefire wasn't sus at all imo
While I’m not excusing it, I do understand people cheating for money. People do a little worse for it. What really gets me is just your random average gamer cheating just “for fun.” Both are wrong, but I really can’t understand the mindset when money isn’t on the line
I don't understand where the idea that he is using radar comes from. Judging from this and 2 other maps I've seen of him it's certainly some kind of wall hack, it fits his behavior much better. I think every time he walks in to a smoke is the only part of his game that is blatant, he just does not get disoriented but will constantly turn the camera to face positions or opponents it's almost impossible for a legit player to re-create.
if you have somewhat decent movement and look at your minimap while in a smoke you wont get disoriented ever but its obvious this dude got more than a minimap to help him in a smoke
@@Kevin-us7jcyes I did a lot of pre fire back in the day on 1.5. You know how high to aim and when you hear ppl walk you can time it just right. I’m not saying he didn’t cheat but at such high levels it’s hard to sometimes really know.
Mortal Kombat 1 has so many cheaters that I had to drop the game. I'm glad this guy got caught, and I'm glad other developers take cheating seriously in their games.
He was accused by one of the literal worst AC programs ever, that has been historically so bad it needed to be disabled to continue play. While I'm not supporting or defending him, I'd like to get more confirmation than Akros.
To the other team, playing against someone like this will be absolutely apparent. The cheater will shoot a millisecond ahead of seeing you turn the corner. So you’ll never get the first shot off. Any good player will know that it’s 50/50 depending on latency, reaction time, closeness to an angle, and speed of the peek versus the player holding. Even things like how far away to hold from a corner when centering your crosshair. Which in joel’s case he always holds as tight as possible. No room for error or overshoot. Nobody puts their crosshair right up against the wall. Unless they’re beginner. Or have inhuman reactions.
Good, F em for doing this in a pro match. Cheating for prize money should result in prison time in all parts of the world. Its fraud at the least and breaching a secure PC at most. Valve should sue any pro caught using tools to cheat in games or making a profit by betting skins on there matches. Banning them isnt enough of a deterrent for these guys. They need real reasons to fear you. Not this sad excuse of an anti-cheat this game has to the point you need to PAY someone else to enjoy there game.
there is probably some in the highest level, thing is you need expensive private cheats thats hard to come by, so your average lvl 3-9 dude will most likely not have a private cheat unless they are filthy rich or knows how to code the cheat themself, i have 2300 faceit macthes in lvl 6-10 and ive come across 5 hackers where it was obivous, and a handful sus people that might used radar or very soft aim assist
@@mikeholm4455 I mean with dma cheating becoming more accessible it really isn't too expensive to get a UD cheat for faceit. Free dma cheat and a private custom firmware would go undetected on faceit
You're telling me someone was cheating during a 4 million dollar tournament?! I could've never guessed someone would even attempt such a thing! Glad he got caught i suppose, really sucks for the rest of the competitors though.
Some questionable choices, some questionable moments. I dont think those demos themself would be enough. There was one moment at the first map that was red flag for me, but most of other moments could be given to doubts.
Omg I haven't watched your channel in literally several years since even before covid I think. but I just outta the blue remembered it and so glad I found it again. I got alot to catch up on now.
That's because he's a pro player. Pro players who get caught cheating, are still at the pro level and at the top 1% of players. Their just scum who try to get an easy win especially happens when a lot of money is on the line.
3:08 clearly looking at the guy through the wall. if u pause it directly on that time u can see the exact pixel of him looking at the player through the wall before even peaking
this is more sus than many of the other comments, like why would you aim in the middle of the box there, either you aim right or left, it doesn't make sense as you say.
1:35 Right off the bat he keeps flicking his mouse to turn as he runs down middle and up to short. It looks like he’s checking elbow. But he’s not. He’s panning from B to A, seeing where the Ts are setting up to hit. And likely comming that to teammates. Why isn’t he supposed to check mid? Because he has a teammate sitting in cubby holding elbow. He has no reason to turn other than to confirm enemy positions through the wall. He repeats this behavior every single round. Random camera turns across the whole map. It looks smooth to the uninitiated. But watching it back, the unnatural movements make sense.
He literally plays like such a noob. That rushed rotate back through cave to B to A was clownlike, you would NEVER do this in his situation given the info he had. Just shows that any noob could be a pro with cheats.
Pre-shooting is an old time old school technique against pro-players. I did this a lot in my hay days when I when a pro clan challenged us, and my clan wasn't really in it to become professionals, but were just having fun. Footsteps were always a dead give away especially if you have a gaming headset with virtual surround. Before I even pop on a corner I'm already shooting. And when you've been playing long enough you also develop a third sense where all people are either hiding or will come from and your timing becomes second nature. A lot of what is being shown here are not even definitive proof of cheating.
5:40 that's completely normal though, because the bomb is down, it's very likely people would swing him when he throws a smoke to try and catch him before the smoke blooms. He's just prefiring under the assumption that they will swing.
constructive criticism the game audio is at 100 needs to be at 10 maybe 25 max. If we cant hear you there is no reason for you to be commentating. I actually muted this video at around the 8-9 min mark and still got just as much information as i would have if i had kept the sound on and tried to hear you. End of story the audio needs to be adjusted because we cant hear you over the constant explosions and gunfire.
16:29 when he molly the enemy he jumped off balcony car, at same time his team is pushing short and giving info he is car. Of course they know where he is. When they killed bench guy they knew he had to be site or rockets. Invisible showed he is default he pushed and got trade. CS 101
this is more speculation based on the fact that he did infacr get banned for cheating. a lot of this is just pros doing pro things. normal people seeing a pro play without knowing it's a pro would just assume automatically he's cheating. there's no real devils advocate on any of this is just all sarcastic yea he's cheating talk. completely ruins the video
joel looks legit to me😂its called game sense.. he prefired before enemy peeked him cause he knew the bomb already dropped in front of him..overall he played really well..that being said we never know if he cheated or not
You can even see his crosshair pixel warp frame by frame at 18:06. It is crazy how people are so scared to call out even this blatant aimbots. Back in the day I hated when idiots would always defend these aimbotters by saying "but it's only 30 tick". Well that is 30 frames in 1 second to clearly spot crosshair warping from a pixel to pixel. which is impossible to achieve without cheats and more frames wouldn't change it one bit.
I suffered throughout 12 mins of this bullshit. There have been alot of pro players cheating over the years. But Joel does nothing that i wouldent do. everything was completely normal. This guy must be hard stuck in silver...
As a 20k premier Player, I could not Say he is cheating 100%. Only thing that was a Little bit sus was timings. Too Lucky, however it happens often when u do not cheat either lol
5:36 I don't think that's conclusive at all. He threw that smoke because he was expecting some kind of push and then he heard steps, so prefiring doesn't seem out of place here. He took a really bad angle for allegedly knowing how many people were there and he got rekt. I remain unconvinced
Dude. He prefired, the first time you make a slow motion replay, its obvious they gonna try to get him in the corner there. I would prefire there aswell... that doesnt look like cheating at all.. That shot through smoke was more suspicious, altough the enemy was shooting through it and it was visible...
Ive watched it until 7:30 and havent seen anything sus. Most things seem to me just proper preaim and games. If you hear several close to you and you expect them to overwhelm you its common to prefire. Thats why he was even checking a boost after someone died there because he listened to the sound que. Also spamming the cave smoke when you clearly hear someone crossing isnt uncommon at all. Is there any further information what kind of cheat he used?
3:47-3:52, he clears 2 positions-looks at wall for ''some'' reason, exactly at 3:51, the crosshair placement wasnt even to the doors after it? :D Sure, you could say hes ''checking doors' , but theres hes teammate already that has that angle, so he wont cross without kill/info.
The worst part is that it's going to encourage other people to cheat, they're going to have the mentality of if other people cheat why shouldn't I? especially for $$$ & at the end of it all who can blame em...
How on earth do they let someone plug in a USB or even have access to the internet to get cheat files..... Its pretty crazy. They should watch everyone closely until the game starts then the coach can be the one walking around.
sorry to say that, but it does feel like Time is very paranoid of everything anyone is doing x) watched some of his videos in the past and it always feels like he is like 16k elo trying to see things in a 25k+ match like in 20:50 "oh look how es is pre aiming this ct" yeah... well he is still a high ranked player, with or without cheats, he is definitely aiming on headshots height and is prepared to shoot any other ct peeking into connector there... He aimed there before the other CT approached connector... nothing suspicious I would say... why doesn't he look through the wall towards short to spot a CT pushing on short? maybe he just trusted his team mates to push mid towards chair and wasn't worried about short at that time it's all a thing of perspective and seeing the whole picture in one video Time did suspect one, who pushed mid on Anubis and dropped down and wasn't worried about any possibility where enemies could be standing yeah maybe they have a brain and knew, the enemies would have a eco round in eco round ppl tend to rush one site as the B player pushed B main, he predicted they would rush A sometimes ppl gamble, sometimes ppl just do stupid things
and why it's driving me crazy: because of him everyone in lower elo is seeing in everything someone does something suspicious If you cut it down, on most videos, maybe 2 or 3 things are really suspicious
@tomascorej9261 Mortal Kombat 1 has so many cheaters that I had to retire the game. No really, it's that bad! And I have won $220,000 in fighting game prizes. Mortal Kombat 1 was the first Mortal Kombat game I competed in and I will never compete again!
The only sus thing about this entire demo is the fact that he always sprays, never taps. Also he sucks with pistols a lot. Seems like humanized aimbot with rcs nothing more. Wallhacks/triggerbo/radar are the easiest to spot on demos, that why cheaters never use it. Dont assume hes walling, assume hes aimboting.
Watched only the ancient game, honestly I dont think he was cheating there. Watch any pro play and you will see those exact same things where they aim where they should, prefire and seem to know where the enemies are. To me this just looks like game sense. If he was cheating in that game, he does hide it well.
You sound like a reporter that's reporting from the battlefield
xD made ma day
the best comment
😂😂😂😂
he is repeating the word cheating over and over xD
this guy is talking and commenting the games like normal things are
happening, it sounds pathetic most of the times.
The in-game audio es too loud!
Agreed
yea i can't hear him talking
No its perfect
I can’t hear anything he is saying
Yeah can't watch it like this sadge
My main concern is how he is able to kill someone who is invisible.
🤣😂🤣, it's bad enough invisible walked into the bullet spray but to also duck and ensure it's a head shot is crazy
heat vision hax 😂
even low levels do this, u just assume that someone is in the smoke and u just spray... it works sometimes
@@wee8149 my guy hes making a joke about the guys name 😭
@@t3h51d3w1nd3r Some of them, I feel bad for Invisiblee, but if we're thinking of the same, I gotta say, Joel earned that one.
Bro is a dedicated journalist reporting straight from battlefield
I'm convinced that journalists turned liberals to talk about social conflicts instead of actively going into wars to report what happens there.
@@Ssek16it's called a joke bud
@@jeesusapotol9715 I wasn't responding directly to his comment, I was solely giving my own opinion about journalism.
What a way to flame yourself 😆
@@Ssek16why tf are you giving your opinion on journalism in a cs2 comment section?
@@Ssek16 sir this is mcdonalds
Something noteworthy is pro players who cheat and get away with it often aren't cheating for most of the time they play. It's generally going to be cheating for extra information on the slow parts of pivital rounds before engagement or at the end of rounds looking for exit kills. These players are incredibly good, even when they're not cheating; they cheat to gain information they're already aware is possible but not certain of. It's impossible to distinguish from good gamesense if done right since part of playing at their level is having information they're not supposed to from researching their opponents.
These aren't MM scrubs, they don't toggle harder when they're losing, they don't toggle off when they're winning. The goal is to create a consistent view from the outside looking in where a shift in performance is a shift in performance, not a shift in software.
5:40 isn't suspect imo, it's a prefire onto players they know are pushing, lined up with the head-level of the back wall. Due to the proximity of the corner, it makes sense to aim for there since the enemy at the far wall sees you before you see them, and in this case, the difference in meeting time is long enough to justify prefiring because the enemy will nearly always win a fair engagement.
2:30 Is a great demonstration of something suspicious, given what we know now. Moments like these are common among legitimate players, but notice how Joel's crosshair seems to drift towards the players behind the smoke, and once they cross, he fixes his crosshair on the right wall rather than on the center of the smoke. It's a subtle shift in attitude that would imply Joel knew they crossed. As for the method of cheating, it looks like a form of sound ESP where some kind of noise plays with variable volume when an enemy player model is within a certain area of the field of view, likely centered around the crosshair. This is very troubling because it potentially implies his teammates were complicit with the cheating since this type of info gathering is most useful for the IGL. There's no way to prove that, so making the accusation is irresponsible. The purpose of mentioning it is because it paints a picture of why an organazation looking to cheat would pick up a player with poor reputation, and also why leagues need to have a unified ban list.
This comment needs to go to viral in the gaming community. I know it's all been said before, but for some reason it seems that a whole massive chunk of the cs2 playerbase in general have never heard of nor considered of any of these details. So many players are awful at detecting cheaters that they don't realise just how many cheaters play this game.
@@danjacksonguitar3701 Genuinely, thank you. I think about this often because of people like Barry Bonds. He was one of the best hitters in the history of baseball, and he ended up using steroids to gain an advantage. People assert that he was only good because of that, but they don't realize it was his swing discipline that made him so good. He was equally valuable when he was struck out because it generally meant the pitches risked grounding out into a double-play. He was so good not just for his slugging, but also because it was almost impossible to capitalize on him making a mistake, so he was intentionally walked constantly, even.with the bases loaded.
Sorry to say it boys, this has been commen knowledges since 1.6. The OGs just accepting that the anti cheats sucks and allways will.
@@complic4ted361 the OGs have been jaded from day one then, no?
@@complic4ted361 it should be, but it isn't. You're expecting the counter strike community to use their brains, which is sadly too hopeful most of the time. There are so many people who still don't understand game sense is different when you can study your opponents beforehand. Perfectly normal plays are called for esp all the time because some people don't understand how professional players have information that wasn't given to them through the game.
I get that he is cheating but at 5:35 there was literally NOTHING suspicious
Agreed, he heard one running and started pre-firing, which is smart but also basic
Be quiet noob
i agreed one hearing footsteps then pre-firing. plus c4 was there more reason to just prefire into it.
Looks like a wallhack, look at 2:03, he can see the other players. The movement makes no sense otherwise.
@@dl1st this rather looks like he left his mouse to scratch himself. Nothing unusual imo.
Also the players on a heard the Ts running so I guess a rush was called in the comms
5:34 - it's called "prefire"'. he simply expected them to come around the corner; bomb was there and only 34 seconds until the end of the round. It's just common sense and insane reactions from him.
You can also see his gun too
not to mention the T player is running so he can clearly hear the audio.
what about 9:07?
Cool story broski, one misplaced clip in 25 minutes of hacking, innocent!
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Fix the audio, cant hear you speaking
You don't want to he keeps repeating the same thing haha
@@wafflecart Crisp clean lock bois!
that gives bad reputation for all players named "joel". Once you see a fella with that name, you know he's cracked out of his mind
so being cracked out of your mind is a bad thing?
@@sssamjamyes pretty much
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5:40 its called a prefire, he knew at least 1 guy there, so what's sus about this one in particular?
Nothing. There isn't anything sus about it. You can hear 3 dudes coming, so you prefire. "Instant reactions" the type of person that accuses everyone of cheating.
The anticheat caught him, admins reviewed the detection and decided it was real. He got banned.
We know he was cheating, the point is to try and figure out how, the idea is hes a pro if anybody can hide cheats its him especially since we always give them benefit of the doubt because they rlly do have godly gamesense and aim already.
The idea is hes using some sort of sonar or esp that helps him know where people are, potential some very light aim assist, not the snappying and magic bullets youre used to seeing from kids blatant cheating.
Its not saying X or Y play is suspect especially for someone like him, its just trying to spot what COULD be explained by cheats and see if there was anything that did make it obvious from gameplay.
@@User-kq3od I wasn't saying that he wasn't cheating, he was indeed, I mentioned that part specifically just because he said it was an obvious reaction of a cheater.
@@bgdrrs He smokes it because he knows from the shots they r on the far right side of the alley. Y would he smoke n then pre fire to the left side unless he knew they were pushing. But in general that map was just perfect shot setups the entire time.
@@youtubenightcrawler9571 its a no brainer that if you hear 3 guys, running right when you smoke, they will peek.
fun fact: if you keep your eyes open you will see the same habits joel shows in this demo like „look how he lines up perfectly through the wall. coincidence? I think not“ ah moments when observing almost every other pro player. Conclusions are up to you. You can see it pretty good on joel because he is kind of bad with movement and angles in comparison to other pros…
Yup, plus lots of clips look "sus" when you put it in slow-mo
Just wanna put out there that before Joel became a pro (He was already very good at a young age) he scammed some other swedish high level players out of at the very least $10k to fund his gambling addiction. He was 14/15 years old at the time. It probably is way more than $10k but I've only personally talked to a couple of the victims so I wouldn't know the extent of his scams. I wish I knew more honestly because I was very intrigued at the time but due to possible lawsuits etc I wasn't given much more than the rough estimate of the money scammed from the couple victims I talked to. He's been nothing but bad news since all of that happened.
What a Chad.
This guy was not cheating. Sometimes your opponent is just having a good day...
My guy he has BEEN BANNED what do you mean????
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Bro why this 0iq? @@Derglesnaf
nahh this guy acting😂
You should sort it by most sus moments instead of rounds, 9 minutes in and there is nothing really weird other than prefires and "lucky" kills through smokes and that makes me not want to watch it anymore.
hahahah i stoped at 8 min 21 sec and i was thinking the same
lol same I just checked my timeline its 8 minutes and I went into comments to look for a conclusion
view time brother thats how they get paid. Lucky hes monitzied so he gets some good moneyz
He was not banned mid game but he was banned before the match started when he launched his game through akros. Also in what world is CCT a 4 million dollar tournament?
lol yeah, this guys is comletely curios, he probably wrote the scrips himself with the 4m prize pool, for the title.
clueless*
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Yeah, when did CS host a tournament with 4m prizepool 😂 this guy js clueless af
I think the worse cheaters are the ones that are already good at the game.
It's because of competitiveness. Wherever you have competition you will have cheating, especially if there's money involved. Some people are also so obsessed by being the best that they do whatever it takes, especially against pro players who are actually good at the game so they can make a name for themselves, it's really pathetic, but they don't seem to care.
nice audio mixing hahaha I can barely hear you
I can hear him just fine.. skill issue
@@PapaGrim01yeah when there‘s no game sound. 110 people seem to disagree with you. (Top comment and my comment)
@@PapaGrim01nah the audio mixing is awful
all CS players should form a class action lawsuit against valve
to accomplish what exactly?
Valve allows cheaters to roam freely in the game, causing grudge and hatred among people.
3:25 the mercy kill here is hilarious. “Oh the guy is 1hp, lets put him out if his misery.”
imagine CS pushing anti-cheat silently just before tournament to expose a lot of cheaters in the tournament.
5:40 you can see that the T picked up the bomb after it was dropped, and you should know that you can see the dropped bomb stops pinging in the minimap once its picked up, so this prefire wasn't sus at all imo
He's teammate even shoot the enemy, so i think thats why he shoots to
First round looked like he was a faceit level 3....
While I’m not excusing it, I do understand people cheating for money. People do a little worse for it. What really gets me is just your random average gamer cheating just “for fun.” Both are wrong, but I really can’t understand the mindset when money isn’t on the line
I don't understand where the idea that he is using radar comes from. Judging from this and 2 other maps I've seen of him it's certainly some kind of wall hack, it fits his behavior much better.
I think every time he walks in to a smoke is the only part of his game that is blatant, he just does not get disoriented but will constantly turn the camera to face positions or opponents it's almost impossible for a legit player to re-create.
if you have somewhat decent movement and look at your minimap while in a smoke you wont get disoriented ever
but its obvious this dude got more than a minimap to help him in a smoke
I guess he played so good that people thinks it's hack.
lol. You fucking delusionnal. If you think he does good plays you crazy, and probably an old gold nova.
he got detected by the anti cheat. It's not just speculation lol
Nah bro just look at 9:07 , he does have wallhack :)
@@bbi2005 im not defending him in any way , but in that particular case its a very common pre aim/fire spot
@@Kevin-us7jcyes I did a lot of pre fire back in the day on 1.5. You know how high to aim and when you hear ppl walk you can time it just right. I’m not saying he didn’t cheat but at such high levels it’s hard to sometimes really know.
1:15 hes already looking through the walls
Mortal Kombat 1 has so many cheaters that I had to drop the game. I'm glad this guy got caught, and I'm glad other developers take cheating seriously in their games.
Its like playing a game of csgo with your headset on and someone is speaking to you irl. 😂💀
He was accused by one of the literal worst AC programs ever, that has been historically so bad it needed to be disabled to continue play.
While I'm not supporting or defending him, I'd like to get more confirmation than Akros.
Prize pools like this calls for cheating. I bet he was not the only one.
3:30 crosshair placement on point😂
joel the clara trifecta
Damn it, Clara strikes again...
To the other team, playing against someone like this will be absolutely apparent. The cheater will shoot a millisecond ahead of seeing you turn the corner. So you’ll never get the first shot off. Any good player will know that it’s 50/50 depending on latency, reaction time, closeness to an angle, and speed of the peek versus the player holding. Even things like how far away to hold from a corner when centering your crosshair. Which in joel’s case he always holds as tight as possible. No room for error or overshoot. Nobody puts their crosshair right up against the wall. Unless they’re beginner. Or have inhuman reactions.
I think you reversed the audio balancing on your channels by mistake.
Good, F em for doing this in a pro match. Cheating for prize money should result in prison time in all parts of the world. Its fraud at the least and breaching a secure PC at most. Valve should sue any pro caught using tools to cheat in games or making a profit by betting skins on there matches. Banning them isnt enough of a deterrent for these guys. They need real reasons to fear you. Not this sad excuse of an anti-cheat this game has to the point you need to PAY someone else to enjoy there game.
It ain't about the anticheat anymore, its about mentality..
Looks like a demo of a lvl10 smurfing in a silver lobby... Except that those are all pro players.
At this point I'm just watching the match without the narrator
With pros getting caught recently it makes me wonder how bad cheaters are on faceit
there is probably some in the highest level, thing is you need expensive private cheats thats hard to come by, so your average lvl 3-9 dude will most likely not have a private cheat unless they are filthy rich or knows how to code the cheat themself, i have 2300 faceit macthes in lvl 6-10 and ive come across 5 hackers where it was obivous, and a handful sus people that might used radar or very soft aim assist
@@mikeholm4455 I mean with dma cheating becoming more accessible it really isn't too expensive to get a UD cheat for faceit. Free dma cheat and a private custom firmware would go undetected on faceit
i have a private dma cheat on faceit ive been using for 4 years no ban😂
I mean yh if u have 3 braincells yk how to not grt caught with dma @@ceses6526
@@ceses6526 you are a loser
So as someone who has been Cheating without being Sus, i can say that this guy is Blatant af i saw it in the First Gameplay (Past intro)
Why cheat
@@LeumazDnazor because he is bad at the game
You're telling me someone was cheating during a 4 million dollar tournament?! I could've never guessed someone would even attempt such a thing! Glad he got caught i suppose, really sucks for the rest of the competitors though.
Cheating or bet scam = lifetime ban.
How hard is it?
Some questionable choices, some questionable moments. I dont think those demos themself would be enough. There was one moment at the first map that was red flag for me, but most of other moments could be given to doubts.
Omg I haven't watched your channel in literally several years since even before covid I think. but I just outta the blue remembered it and so glad I found it again. I got alot to catch up on now.
$4m prizepool? What a clickbait title.
I think he toggled off the last couple CT rounds on ancient, the way he plays/peeks is quite normal and different from all the other rounds
Possibly, because they're way ahead on scoreboard.
Tbh his pre aim is not sus at all .
That's because he's a pro player. Pro players who get caught cheating, are still at the pro level and at the top 1% of players. Their just scum who try to get an easy win especially happens when a lot of money is on the line.
3:08 clearly looking at the guy through the wall. if u pause it directly on that time u can see the exact pixel of him looking at the player through the wall before even peaking
this is more sus than many of the other comments, like why would you aim in the middle of the box there, either you aim right or left, it doesn't make sense as you say.
1:35 Right off the bat he keeps flicking his mouse to turn as he runs down middle and up to short. It looks like he’s checking elbow. But he’s not. He’s panning from B to A, seeing where the Ts are setting up to hit. And likely comming that to teammates. Why isn’t he supposed to check mid? Because he has a teammate sitting in cubby holding elbow. He has no reason to turn other than to confirm enemy positions through the wall. He repeats this behavior every single round. Random camera turns across the whole map. It looks smooth to the uninitiated. But watching it back, the unnatural movements make sense.
13:05 imagine not checking ct when ur teammate is already holding the same angle. bro trying too hard to go unnoticed lmao
Exactly my thoughts.
Do you mean not checking temple?
he is probably radarhacking, but not aimlocking, or what so ever
I think so too
@@Panchirito_Official I also think he wasn't using aim assist apart from maybe the match winning 4k on ancient
He is just never unlucky and always seems to pick a free route to his objective. He is 100% cheating.
If someone like guardian doesn't realize one of his guys is cheating i question his own credibility.
Had Joel under 36 kills one day this man had like 60 with no overtimes it’s crazy
He literally plays like such a noob. That rushed rotate back through cave to B to A was clownlike, you would NEVER do this in his situation given the info he had. Just shows that any noob could be a pro with cheats.
Pre-shooting is an old time old school technique against pro-players. I did this a lot in my hay days when I when a pro clan challenged us, and my clan wasn't really in it to become professionals, but were just having fun. Footsteps were always a dead give away especially if you have a gaming headset with virtual surround. Before I even pop on a corner I'm already shooting. And when you've been playing long enough you also develop a third sense where all people are either hiding or will come from and your timing becomes second nature. A lot of what is being shown here are not even definitive proof of cheating.
Team shouldn't be allowed to sub a cheater. Whole team should pay the price, then maybe they'd keep their players in check
This event had a $50,000 prize pool. Not 4 million. Not even a major has a $4 million prize pool
5:40 that's completely normal though, because the bomb is down, it's very likely people would swing him when he throws a smoke to try and catch him before the smoke blooms. He's just prefiring under the assumption that they will swing.
i can hear about 30% of what you were saying homie
constructive criticism the game audio is at 100 needs to be at 10 maybe 25 max. If we cant hear you there is no reason for you to be commentating. I actually muted this video at around the 8-9 min mark and still got just as much information as i would have if i had kept the sound on and tried to hear you. End of story the audio needs to be adjusted because we cant hear you over the constant explosions and gunfire.
16:29 when he molly the enemy he jumped off balcony car, at same time his team is pushing short and giving info he is car. Of course they know where he is. When they killed bench guy they knew he had to be site or rockets. Invisible showed he is default he pushed and got trade. CS 101
this is more speculation based on the fact that he did infacr get banned for cheating. a lot of this is just pros doing pro things. normal people seeing a pro play without knowing it's a pro would just assume automatically he's cheating. there's no real devils advocate on any of this is just all sarcastic yea he's cheating talk. completely ruins the video
joel looks legit to me😂its called game sense.. he prefired before enemy peeked him cause he knew the bomb already dropped in front of him..overall he played really well..that being said we never know if he cheated or not
Valve busy focusing on new games 😂
You can even see his crosshair pixel warp frame by frame at 18:06. It is crazy how people are so scared to call out even this blatant aimbots.
Back in the day I hated when idiots would always defend these aimbotters by saying "but it's only 30 tick". Well that is 30 frames in 1 second to clearly spot crosshair warping from a pixel to pixel. which is impossible to achieve without cheats and more frames wouldn't change it one bit.
Bro you should reupload this with better audio mixing. If literally anything is going on your voice is a slight background mumble at best
I suffered throughout 12 mins of this bullshit. There have been alot of pro players cheating over the years. But Joel does nothing that i wouldent do. everything was completely normal. This guy must be hard stuck in silver...
As a 20k premier Player, I could not Say he is cheating 100%. Only thing that was a Little bit sus was timings. Too Lucky, however it happens often when u do not cheat either lol
actually he was not that sus in these matches, if he had not been caught, we wouldnt know he was cheating
can you put sus gameplay time stamps on videoS?
nope
5:36 I don't think that's conclusive at all. He threw that smoke because he was expecting some kind of push and then he heard steps, so prefiring doesn't seem out of place here. He took a really bad angle for allegedly knowing how many people were there and he got rekt. I remain unconvinced
so Cs2 anticheat only works in tournament? Prime server flooded with chinese spinbot
damn, a pro player has good crosshair placement and knows how to peek an angle.
He is obviously cheating, he’s only cautious when he knows someone is there
man i've missed you. feels like its been ages since i saw your videos. hope you're doing well man! hope your heart is doing a lot better too
I dont know how the competition was worth million when the teams are tier 25 😂😂
TimeIsButaWindow, awesome video keep up the great content
The moment they added glove skins and changed the models the game went downhill…
Dude. He prefired, the first time you make a slow motion replay, its obvious they gonna try to get him in the corner there. I would prefire there aswell... that doesnt look like cheating at all..
That shot through smoke was more suspicious, altough the enemy was shooting through it and it was visible...
if they guy has already been done for fixing & betting & now vac'd he should be banned for life!
wasn't this guy also accused of match fixing but there wasn't enough evidence found?
Lol that second death in the warm up was everything you needed to know.
Sometimes I play like a cheater but I'm not a cheater.
Ive watched it until 7:30 and havent seen anything sus. Most things seem to me just proper preaim and games. If you hear several close to you and you expect them to overwhelm you its common to prefire. Thats why he was even checking a boost after someone died there because he listened to the sound que. Also spamming the cave smoke when you clearly hear someone crossing isnt uncommon at all. Is there any further information what kind of cheat he used?
Damn who would’ve thought the guy who had 2x the amount of kills of anyone else in the lobby was cheating? (The easiest giveaway these days)
3:47-3:52, he clears 2 positions-looks at wall for ''some'' reason, exactly at 3:51, the crosshair placement wasnt even to the doors after it? :D
Sure, you could say hes ''checking doors' , but theres hes teammate already that has that angle, so he wont cross without kill/info.
That's what I'm trying to say. Glad I'm not the only one that noticed it.
you can hear a step and water sfx.
The worst part is that it's going to encourage other people to cheat, they're going to have the mentality of if other people cheat why shouldn't I? especially for $$$ & at the end of it all who can blame em...
Game sound 40%
Commentators sound 60%
Shooting before he sees them? Bro had information from them shooting prior and was prefire knowing they were going to push his teamate to the left
How on earth do they let someone plug in a USB or even have access to the internet to get cheat files..... Its pretty crazy. They should watch everyone closely until the game starts then the coach can be the one walking around.
Unless they were playing at home then thats a big problem. We need better anti cheat and It will bring back counterstrike for good
sorry to say that, but it does feel like Time is very paranoid of everything anyone is doing x)
watched some of his videos in the past and it always feels like he is like 16k elo trying to see things in a 25k+ match
like in 20:50 "oh look how es is pre aiming this ct"
yeah... well he is still a high ranked player, with or without cheats, he is definitely aiming on headshots height and is prepared to shoot any other ct peeking into connector there... He aimed there before the other CT approached connector... nothing suspicious I would say...
why doesn't he look through the wall towards short to spot a CT pushing on short?
maybe he just trusted his team mates to push mid towards chair and wasn't worried about short at that time
it's all a thing of perspective and seeing the whole picture
in one video Time did suspect one, who pushed mid on Anubis and dropped down and wasn't worried about any possibility where enemies could be standing
yeah maybe they have a brain and knew, the enemies would have a eco round
in eco round ppl tend to rush one site
as the B player pushed B main, he predicted they would rush A
sometimes ppl gamble, sometimes ppl just do stupid things
and why it's driving me crazy: because of him everyone in lower elo is seeing in everything someone does something suspicious
If you cut it down, on most videos, maybe 2 or 3 things are really suspicious
if a person is caught cheating in such a tournament he should be put in jail
In South Korea you could spend up to 5 years in jail for cheating in an online game.
@@takedakurosawa5416 if there is no punishment, there should be no reward, if there is no reward, there should be no punishment
@tomascorej9261 Mortal Kombat 1 has so many cheaters that I had to retire the game. No really, it's that bad! And I have won $220,000 in fighting game prizes. Mortal Kombat 1 was the first Mortal Kombat game I competed in and I will never compete again!
@@takedakurosawa5416 they should focus more on the alarming suicide rates over there insteda of having such wack laws but thats another topic
@@theshahofiran1323 WTF Does that have to do with anything??? We're talking about cheating in online games, not suicide.
Im starting to think valve is letting them and just worried about map updates
Ancient looked all coincidental.
Mirage though had alot of sussy moments of knowledge
The only sus thing about this entire demo is the fact that he always sprays, never taps. Also he sucks with pistols a lot. Seems like humanized aimbot with rcs nothing more. Wallhacks/triggerbo/radar are the easiest to spot on demos, that why cheaters never use it. Dont assume hes walling, assume hes aimboting.
you got the audio mixed up replay is waaaay too loud
Watched only the ancient game, honestly I dont think he was cheating there. Watch any pro play and you will see those exact same things where they aim where they should, prefire and seem to know where the enemies are. To me this just looks like game sense. If he was cheating in that game, he does hide it well.