He could talk for hours and I could listen to him. Not only is he a true, legendary master musician but an experienced, captivating historian/storyteller.
An interview that makes you feel like you are there in the room , with a cup of coffee and your feet up with friends - now THAT'S an interview ! Interviewers that are actually easy to listen to - what a rareity. Kudos guys. Benmont , i just love your voice . Wonderful storyteller , thank you so much. Please narrate your own audio book ! And many loving condolences to Toms family and Heartbreaker brothers . Namaste x
Great interview. This interviewer, whoever he is, is fantastic. Knows his business, knows when not to interrupt and when to change directions. Benmont is like the consummate team player as evidenced by his years with the Heartbreakers
Oh my god. This is great stuff. Benmont Tench and Stan Lynch are the founders of the Heartbreaker’s, that is killer information.”American Girl”.🎸.Stevie Nicks, live in concert 1982 Belmont Tench, on the synthesizer. I’ve always known this. Wow, all these famous musicians. It must of been like Christmas for him. Don Henley, Bob Dylan. I’ve seen all these people in concert.i agree about Mick and Keith being great song writers. You don’t hear that enough.”cook a Cutis groove” I ❤️ that. I really like Benmont Tench personality. He is really into it. Great conversationalist.”Hurt” that’s big. Nine Inch Nails. “Lost Without You”. This is a beautiful interview. Loved Stan with Tom Petty And The Heartbreaker ‘s, love Steve Ferroni also. Love your music Benmont Tench. Sorry for your great loss. Thanks guys for sharing.🦆🎹SWEET.
Damn this is fantastic! So many musicians are so good at explaining what they do. And this is so much a good version of that. And of course his music is the kind of thing one wants to hear about.
One of those interviews that should be enshrined somehow. Absolutely brilliant, inspired man, yes, cerebral (I'm an academic) with the required classical musical background, but my Dad was the original Zorba and he and my sister didn't need to learn to read music: they had The Gift. It was Zigo, my dad, who subversively gave me a transistor radio and small flashlight to listen to WARFM in the .60s and it remained, permanently. All of it. Listening to this interview is a transcendent experience. Benmont Tench, don't stop!!!! I know Tom's gone but please carry on!
Wow, the best interview I've heard in a long time.. It makes sense why he's so tasteful and talented. He has the best influences, and so thoughtful and intelligently expressed... Honest about the 60's renaissance...... Great, knowledgeable interviewers as well, thank you for posting this !
what I love about Benmont Tench, besides his genius on any kind of keyboard, was something that resonated with me that Tom Petty said about him: there is nothing ambiguous or complicated about Ben. When he says something, he means it. Someone who deserves enormous respect.
Great interview very insightful loved it Benmont truly is a walking talking music encyclopedia so very Cerebral great story teller Bravo No Benmont Tench no Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
One of my favorite programs on Sirius XM's Tom Petty Radio channel is The Benmont Tench Show. I love the eclectic music, but best of all I love the stories he tells. He has a fantastic voice that induces an ASMR response--it puts me in a relaxed semi-trance just listening to him talk.
Great interview, guys. Really interesting to hear so many intriguing details about who influenced Benmont in his career. He's one of the best rock and roll keyboard players ever, in my opinion. He understands that you don't have to be a showboat to help a great band sound great.
Just sublime. Always so worthwhile to check out what Benmont has to say. Truly, one of the great ones. Loved every second. Especially “Wobbles.” A million thanks!
He's been gone a little over a month and I'm still having a hard time believing that he is gone. I listen to anything from him everyday rather it be on you tube or my own cds I have. I hope your resting in Peace Tom Petty. You deserve to be. 💋❤❤
What a Class Act you are Benmont. Condolences to Tom’s immediate family, you & the rest of the amazing Heart Breakers and everyone that knew and loved Tom! Thank you Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers!!! The music world is truly and permanently a better place!!! RIP Tom!!!
This is my third time watching this entire interview. It is still one of the best and most interesting and engaging interiews ever! But I still want to holler, "Somebody PLEASE get Benmont some coffee or water!!!!" What a lovely, charming and talented man!
Why are all of the Heartbreakers so freakin' good? How can you even collect that much talent, heart, mindfulness and charisma in one band? Tom. Mike. Now Ben. I am loving all of them. Getting this solo album as fast as I can.
thank god for Benmont Tench. The highest praise was ~ Benmont always tells me exactly how he feels. My feeling was that that the Heartbreakers was made to last, with the changes that were inevitable: but there was Tom, Mike Campbell, and Benmont Tench and it was sustained genius.
I've watched this after your tremendous interview with Robert Plant. And this is a most enjoyable interview too. I am not a Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers fan though think they were a great band and even love some of the early tunes (they sound phenomenal on the newly released 'Live at the Fillmore '97 box set). But this chat with someone who I was always a bit curious about because he has maintained such a low profile gives me a new appreciation. Mr. Tench - who thankfully mentions Todd Rundgren and also the New York Dolls, whose debut album Rundgren produced, as well as the Band, who Rundgren also produced - epitomises musical taste and discretion. His love of Eno's work with Roxy Music is a reminder that even someone more suitable to Dylan can find inpsiration from the most disparate sources. The point about the positioning of the Heartbreakers at the time of their launch in the late 70s was very valid. When they did their debut UK tour as openers for Nils Lofgrin, my girlfriend and I intentionally missed their set as we thought they were a punk band. As was, we caught just a couple tunes...I think 'American Girl' and 'Route 66' as encores. The full-house audience (3,000) LOVED them. Indeed, with due respect to Mr. Lofgren, they dominated the night. Because as great as Nils and his funky keyboard player were, his drummer was - by his own admission in an interview - attempting to outdo rock legend Carmine Appice, and thus the wrong person for the job. But Benmont Tench is definitely the right man for the job. Any job.
i love the part about learning the Doors Light My Fire Intro.....as a guitarist Im very tired of people locally copying rarer niche legends live and then small town locals have no clue its totally ripped off and not creativity....DO YOUR THING ! learn and expand and connect it to your soul for that moment and share that moment musically....it takes many years and high skill to do this well. Some are born to do it their way.
The best punk is as close to the heart as Percy Sledge or Louie Armstrong. When the music gets too far from the heart, punk comes along. Big credit to Benmont Tench (the kid) and Stan Lynch for their inspiration forming the Heartbreakers as we know and love them.
Tom said the first time Benmont played with Mudcrutch, BT out played them all without any rehearsal. Also that BT's musical knowledge far and away was beyond theirs.
Don't want to waste anyones time but that music was so important .. my dad the mad inventor played gypsy guitar and never had to study it, I was busy turning myself into a (semiotic) french person,loved Roland Barthes; my dad too all about Chopin and my mom The magic flute .. it all comes together in the end. I just maintain B. Tench deserves the sobriquet "the professor who always tells his truth. " Won't post again, but REALLY wanted to say thank you
Really loved this interview, Benmont tench is a walking talking Encyclopedia of music also very kind and humble not full of himself in any way. He's got great stories to tell and a lot of good music knowledge to impart to those of us who are aspiring musicians or someone like me who just wants to know his own personal story and how he started in music. I believe there would be no Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers without Benmont tench and if there were it would never be the same if Benmont wasn't part of this band! I only wish I had his musical genius and could do the amazing things he does with keyboards whether it's organ or piano!
The story of the recording session starting at 21minute in is the real story of the genesis of the "Heartbreakers". Seems the story of a lot of the greats of RnR is filled with serendipitous accidents of fate.
This guy is enigmatic...someone who's made other people's music better and special while injecting HIS selfless personality! A true legend IMO❤ EDIT: COOLEST NAME EVER!😏
The interviewer describes Tom Petty as a tall, gangly guy with blonde hair. He obviously never met Petty. I did meet him. He was one of the shortest rockers I ever met. And skinniest. So much talent and confidence packed into such a small package.
yes, he was only about 5,8 and half. Sheryl Crow is another one who seems so tall but people who meet her say she's extremely short, despite the online reports of her being 5,2 to 4 some people say she might really be only 5 even.
I was born a Yankee, but I'm knee deep in Southern relations. Whenever I'm around them I'm constantly struck by their consummate sense of story. There's something that you get from living down there that makes raconteurs of even the humblest of people. Maybe it's the water. Who knows? Whatever it is, Benmont Tench has it in spades. While he could doubtless breathe life into even a boring story, with all he's seen and done, he probably doesn't know any.
I’ve experienced what he talks about with Dylan shows. A mediocre show was highlighted by two spectacular performances: ‘Tangled Up in Blue’ and ‘Cold Iron Bounds’ were incredible. It was a DC area show where the Raconteur’s opened.
More evidence how freakin awesome Tom Petty was ... He knew how great Benmont was and had to have him, he sold Benmonts "the judge" dad on the idea of not going to college. Think about that for a minute ... It was fate, is there any question?
I'm sorry i'm not Benmont Tench but I've been in a studio situation which still happens and my benchmark for excellence is was will be after Tom's death the Heartbreakers. So I need some sleep and I'm listening to the professor - my sis used to know him way back when in LA when she didn't go down John Belushi's path and there is radical cognitive dissonance developing in this conversation which I don't get because I want to go to bed and this guy is talking about the band as if it were a teenage distraction which woke me right up. Tom was still alive. The best Benmont could do was, well may be I'm that kind of guy too and the rest is full swing the professor encyclopedic knowledge inside and out and brilliantly articulate which is what kept me listening the 1st time. Now I'm revisiting this whole thing and the professor is still fundamental but the bio came out and I believe in that structure when possible; people have opinions and experiences and it can get a bit kalaidascopic sp but there are observations, words and actions and what was evident was that Stan Lynch was manhandled by Jimmy Iovine who didn't get his style … only extrovert in a bunch of dedicated introverts, get it, fast forward and Howie Mandel and Benmont Tench click and Tom is still the bad guy. He's doing all the fucking work so you guys can be brilliant and play plus with the brilliant aid of Mike he's writing all the time. Then Howie dies and everything according to BT is somehow Tom's fault again, who himself had a breakdown after the dissolution of marriage one and using Howie's supplier to ...I go to NA meetings even though my drug of choice was alcohol so yes I get it and thank god for Dana. So I don't get Benmont even though he's a genius. What I know about Tom was his longing for a surrogate family which didn't work out and no-one talks about the fact that you froze him out and then blamed him for everything that didn't quite work. Tom has been gone now for some time and it could be a different conversation
He could talk for hours and I could listen to him. Not only is he a true, legendary master musician but an experienced, captivating historian/storyteller.
Intelligent and articulate.
And a nice person!
Tom petty in a word is just the greatest singer songwriter ever was!!!!! Gone way too soon R I P my friend!!😢😢😢😢😢😢❤❤❤❤❤❤
An interview that makes you feel like you are there in the room , with a cup of coffee and your feet up with friends - now THAT'S an interview !
Interviewers that are actually easy to listen to - what a rareity. Kudos guys.
Benmont , i just love your voice . Wonderful storyteller , thank you so much.
Please narrate your own audio book !
And many loving condolences to Toms family and Heartbreaker brothers .
Namaste x
He's a legend.
From having so many teachers and even band mates always saying "play it like this" it feels good to hear someone say "it's how YOU play it"
Great interview. This interviewer, whoever he is, is fantastic. Knows his business, knows when not to interrupt and when to change directions. Benmont is like the consummate team player as evidenced by his years with the Heartbreakers
Excellent points! Agree totally, both about interviewer and about Benmont.
Oh my god. This is great stuff. Benmont Tench and Stan Lynch are the founders of the Heartbreaker’s, that is killer information.”American Girl”.🎸.Stevie Nicks, live in concert 1982 Belmont Tench, on the synthesizer. I’ve always known this. Wow, all these famous musicians. It must of been like Christmas for him. Don Henley, Bob Dylan. I’ve seen all these people in concert.i agree about Mick and Keith being great song writers. You don’t hear that enough.”cook a Cutis groove” I ❤️ that. I really like Benmont Tench personality. He is really into it. Great conversationalist.”Hurt” that’s big. Nine Inch Nails. “Lost Without You”. This is a beautiful interview. Loved Stan with Tom Petty And The Heartbreaker ‘s, love Steve Ferroni also. Love your music Benmont Tench. Sorry for your great loss. Thanks guys for sharing.🦆🎹SWEET.
Damn this is fantastic! So many musicians are so good at explaining what they do.
And this is so much a good version of that. And of course his music is the kind of thing one wants to hear about.
I always like his interviews▪️ Their is something I always learn or hear about him that I had never heard!
One of those interviews that should be enshrined somehow. Absolutely brilliant, inspired man, yes, cerebral (I'm an academic) with the required classical musical background, but my Dad was the original Zorba and he and my sister didn't need to learn to read music: they had The Gift. It was Zigo, my dad, who subversively gave me a transistor radio and small flashlight to listen to WARFM in the .60s and it remained, permanently. All of it. Listening to this interview is a transcendent experience. Benmont Tench, don't stop!!!! I know Tom's gone but please carry on!
Wow, the best interview I've heard in a long time.. It makes sense why he's so tasteful and talented. He has the best influences, and so thoughtful and intelligently expressed... Honest about the 60's renaissance...... Great, knowledgeable interviewers as well, thank you for posting this !
My kinda guy!
what I love about Benmont Tench, besides his genius on any kind of keyboard, was something that resonated with me that Tom Petty said about him: there is nothing ambiguous or complicated about Ben. When he says something, he means it. Someone who deserves enormous respect.
Great interviewer....great interviewee......riveting conversation. Well done.
Stunning interview. Thanks!
Ok, this is sooooooooo good! Thank you for posting!!
"Holy moly!" Thanks for sharing this wonderful interview!
Great interview very insightful loved it Benmont truly is a walking talking music encyclopedia so very Cerebral great story teller Bravo
No Benmont Tench no Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
One of my favorite programs on Sirius XM's Tom Petty Radio channel is The Benmont Tench Show. I love the eclectic music, but best of all I love the stories he tells. He has a fantastic voice that induces an ASMR response--it puts me in a relaxed semi-trance just listening to him talk.
What an incredibly insightful and enjoyable conversation
Love this song Bentmont
Everything Benmont touches is a thumbs up...its not even up for discussion! 😊
Great interview, guys. Really interesting to hear so many intriguing details about who influenced Benmont in his career. He's one of the best rock and roll keyboard players ever, in my opinion. He understands that you don't have to be a showboat to help a great band sound great.
Just sublime. Always so worthwhile to check out what Benmont has to say. Truly, one of the great ones. Loved every second. Especially “Wobbles.” A million thanks!
Just wonderful. A true artist who cares about his craft...and a fabulous storyteller.
Humble, funny, musical, intelligent, generous to interviewers and musical colleagues. What more can you ask of an artist.
legendary pianist.
What an absolute delight to listen to Benmont. I would LOVE to read a book by him, if he ever writes one. Loved his album.
The best Feel free to play it
I truly enjoyed listening to this interview...the Heartbreakers are a great band, and this guy was a big part of it 😀
Loved this ....you're a legend...I love Scare Easy and all of them...Not a bad tune in the bunch...Great to hear the stories!
Benmont you rock!
Great interview, brilliant musical personality..
FASCINATING INTERVIEW!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been around the World.........
I'm not sure I've ever heard a better, more entertaining interview.
"Benmont Tench" The best name in rock and roll!
Give this legend some more coffee for god's sake!
I know, right? I was just talking to the TV, saying "Get Benmont something to drink, for God's sake!!!!" Could the inteviewers not take a hint????
Great interview! Thank you from a musician's view! Beautiful piece at the end btw!
What a legend
I'm just loving this, what a find!!!
Benmont has a really radio friendly voice.
Mumbling too much.
I think he's got a spot on Sirius on the TP channel.
The Heartbreakers' story is one that I never get sick of hearing, like The Beatles or Nirvana, and I think Benmont tells it best.
I love you Mr. Tench. ❤️
What a FANTASTIC interview! Could listen to this stuff all day.
This is fantastic -- so interesting.
He's been gone a little over a month and I'm still having a hard time believing that he is gone. I listen to anything from him everyday rather it be on you tube or my own cds I have. I hope your resting in Peace Tom Petty.
You deserve to be.
💋❤❤
It’s October 27, 2021, and I still listen to Tom & THB every single day. 💘
What a Class Act you are Benmont. Condolences to Tom’s immediate family, you & the rest of the amazing Heart Breakers and everyone that knew and loved Tom! Thank you Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers!!! The music world is truly and permanently a better place!!! RIP Tom!!!
Wobbles, I like it. I think dude dropped every name there ever was. What a career.
Thank you Benmont, I love how you go deep into the story.
This is my third time watching this entire interview. It is still one of the best and most interesting and engaging interiews ever!
But I still want to holler, "Somebody PLEASE get Benmont some coffee or water!!!!"
What a lovely, charming and talented man!
Why are all of the Heartbreakers so freakin' good? How can you even collect that much talent, heart, mindfulness and charisma in one band? Tom. Mike. Now Ben. I am loving all of them. Getting this solo album as fast as I can.
.33+
Gainesville was a hotbed
Yeah. I love how when Patti Scialfa (Springsteen’s wife!) made that great album Rumble Doll she hired Mike and Ben.
This was just ... awesome!
Wow!! Last song was incredible!!
thank god for Benmont Tench. The highest praise was ~ Benmont always tells me exactly how he feels. My feeling was that that the Heartbreakers was made to last, with the changes that were inevitable: but there was Tom, Mike Campbell, and Benmont Tench and it was sustained genius.
Amazing song to close it out!
Absolutely love Benmont, his music rocks my world and touches my soul!
Great interview! Never knew he was that into early Todd. Very interesting.
Great stories!
I've watched this after your tremendous interview with Robert Plant. And this is a most enjoyable interview too.
I am not a Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers fan though think they were a great band and even love some of the early tunes (they sound phenomenal on the newly released 'Live at the Fillmore '97 box set). But this chat with someone who I was always a bit curious about because he has maintained such a low profile gives me a new appreciation. Mr. Tench - who thankfully mentions Todd Rundgren and also the New York Dolls, whose debut album Rundgren produced, as well as the Band, who Rundgren also produced - epitomises musical taste and discretion. His love of Eno's work with Roxy Music is a reminder that even someone more suitable to Dylan can find inpsiration from the most disparate sources.
The point about the positioning of the Heartbreakers at the time of their launch in the late 70s was very valid. When they did their debut UK tour as openers for Nils Lofgrin, my girlfriend and I intentionally missed their set as we thought they were a punk band. As was, we caught just a couple tunes...I think 'American Girl' and 'Route 66' as encores. The full-house audience (3,000) LOVED them. Indeed, with due respect to Mr. Lofgren, they dominated the night. Because as great as Nils and his funky keyboard player were, his drummer was - by his own admission in an interview - attempting to outdo rock legend Carmine Appice, and thus the wrong person for the job.
But Benmont Tench is definitely the right man for the job. Any job.
OMG. What a song! 😍
Amazing stuff. Love The Tech!
Benmont is such a good person to interview, very self deprecating
❤Ben , you our just incredible!!!
i love the part about learning the Doors Light My Fire Intro.....as a guitarist Im very tired of people locally copying rarer niche legends live and then small town locals have no clue its totally ripped off and not creativity....DO YOUR THING ! learn and expand and connect it to your soul for that moment and share that moment musically....it takes many years and high skill to do this well. Some are born to do it their way.
an astute gent. Great interview and stories from a true talent.
who ran amok in kent
The best punk is as close to the heart as Percy Sledge or Louie Armstrong. When the music gets too far from the heart, punk comes along. Big credit to Benmont Tench (the kid) and Stan Lynch for their inspiration forming the Heartbreakers as we know and love them.
What a beautiful song B
sweet guy extra talented
Tom said the first time Benmont played with Mudcrutch, BT out played them all without any rehearsal. Also that BT's musical knowledge far and away was beyond theirs.
fantastic
Benmont Tench is such a Great Keyboard, Piano, player.
One Of The Greatest
Thank you ALL very very much👌❣️
Very nice interview. I wish you’d talked about Melinda. Such a great solo.
BT is one really smart guy.
Love this interview.
Don't want to waste anyones time but that music was so important .. my dad the mad inventor played gypsy guitar and never had to study it, I was busy turning myself into a (semiotic) french person,loved Roland Barthes; my dad too all about Chopin and my mom The magic flute .. it all comes together in the end. I just maintain B. Tench deserves the sobriquet "the professor who always tells his truth. " Won't post again, but REALLY wanted to say thank you
Little off the subject but can you tell me what semiotics is really all about.
Really loved this interview, Benmont tench is a walking talking Encyclopedia of music also very kind and humble not full of himself in any way.
He's got great stories to tell and a lot of good music knowledge to impart to those of us who are aspiring musicians or someone like me who just wants to know his own personal story and how he started in music.
I believe there would be no Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers without Benmont tench and if there were it would never be the same if Benmont wasn't part of this band!
I only wish I had his musical genius and could do the amazing things he does with keyboards whether it's organ or piano!
Brilliant men making us happy
Fascinating 👍❤️
Favsong
Lovely Interview. Happy to hear Fiona Apple mentioned
Thank you.
A friend of my re-opened Dubs in the 90s. It has since been demolished :(
Still great
Benmont is magical.
From the heart music indeed is the only right way
The story of the recording session starting at 21minute in is the real story of the genesis of the "Heartbreakers". Seems the story of a lot of the greats of RnR is filled with serendipitous accidents of fate.
This guy is enigmatic...someone who's made other people's music better and special while injecting HIS selfless personality! A true legend IMO❤
EDIT: COOLEST NAME EVER!😏
General Shepherd takes refuge from the battlefield to chill.
A true musician. If there's a musician's philosophy, Benmont just nails it on the head
The interviewer describes Tom Petty as a tall, gangly guy with blonde hair. He obviously never met Petty. I did meet him. He was one of the shortest rockers I ever met. And skinniest. So much talent and confidence packed into such a small package.
yes, he was only about 5,8 and half. Sheryl Crow is another one who seems so tall but people who meet her say she's extremely short, despite the online reports of her being 5,2 to 4 some people say she might really be only 5 even.
what a nice guy
"...those crazy early Todd Rundgren records..."
I was born a Yankee, but I'm knee deep in Southern relations. Whenever I'm around them I'm constantly struck by their consummate sense of story. There's something that you get from living down there that makes raconteurs of even the humblest of people. Maybe it's the water. Who knows? Whatever it is, Benmont Tench has it in spades. While he could doubtless breathe life into even a boring story, with all he's seen and done, he probably doesn't know any.
I’ve experienced what he talks about with Dylan shows. A mediocre show was highlighted by two spectacular performances: ‘Tangled Up in Blue’ and ‘Cold Iron Bounds’ were incredible. It was a DC area show where the Raconteur’s opened.
Ironic that a channel called “Sound Opinions,” can’t have their guest properly mic’d, so you can hear what he is saying.
More evidence how freakin awesome Tom Petty was ... He knew how great Benmont was and had to have him, he sold Benmonts "the judge" dad on the idea of not going to college. Think about that for a minute ... It was fate, is there any question?
Best BAND keyboard player on the planet. His sound is what glued the Heartbreakers together...
This is Love ❤
Benmont is so rad.
I'm sorry i'm not Benmont Tench but I've been in a studio situation which still happens and my benchmark for excellence is was will be after Tom's death the Heartbreakers. So I need some sleep and I'm listening to the professor - my sis used to know him way back when in LA when she didn't go down John Belushi's path and there is radical cognitive dissonance developing in this conversation which I don't get because I want to go to bed and this guy is talking about the band as if it were a teenage distraction which woke me right up. Tom was still alive. The best Benmont could do was, well may be I'm that kind of guy too and the rest is full swing the professor encyclopedic knowledge inside and out and brilliantly articulate which is what kept me listening the 1st time. Now I'm revisiting this whole thing and the professor is still fundamental but the bio came out and I believe in that structure when possible; people have opinions and experiences and it can get a bit kalaidascopic sp but there are observations, words and actions and what was evident was that Stan Lynch was manhandled by Jimmy Iovine who didn't get his style … only extrovert in a bunch of dedicated introverts, get it, fast forward and Howie Mandel and Benmont Tench click and Tom is still the bad guy. He's doing all the fucking work so you guys can be brilliant and play plus with the brilliant aid of Mike he's writing all the time. Then Howie dies and everything according to BT is somehow Tom's fault again, who himself had a breakdown after the dissolution of marriage one and using Howie's supplier to ...I go to NA meetings even though my drug of choice was alcohol so yes I get it and thank god for Dana. So I don't get Benmont even though he's a genius. What I know about Tom was his longing for a surrogate family which didn't work out and no-one talks about the fact that you froze him out and then blamed him for everything that didn't quite work. Tom has been gone now for some time and it could be a different conversation
That last song