The WORST Body Parts In Bodybuilding (Top 7)

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  • Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2024

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  • @ariaz7778
    @ariaz7778 2 года назад +92

    That bubble gut bonanza song gets me every time 🤣🤣salute to L.U.I

  • @donajello3684
    @donajello3684 2 года назад +145

    You should do another video like this except only mention the most disproportionate body parts that were underdeveloped, not injury related. Great video Marx!

    • @edisonvarghese932
      @edisonvarghese932 2 года назад +1

      agree

    • @KinzeHansebyner
      @KinzeHansebyner 2 года назад +2

      Definitely, I was hoping to see actually bad body parts due to genetics or training related, not injury related.

    • @TheSpritz0
      @TheSpritz0 2 года назад

      EXCELLENT idea!!!!

    • @johnnewell8508
      @johnnewell8508 2 года назад +3

      kia green comes to mind. Insane, but traps and forearms are of a mens physique competitor lol

    • @skycorrigan6511
      @skycorrigan6511 2 года назад

      Great idea

  • @Realistic316
    @Realistic316 2 года назад +26

    awww, i thought you were gunna put each bad body part together into one super bad body 😆…you should do that next.

  • @jeffreylocke8808
    @jeffreylocke8808 2 года назад +10

    Dennis Wolf’s back after he lost his back lower last made my mind go to Big Ramy and his back shot. He has no lower lat insertion’s either.

  • @dr.options
    @dr.options 2 года назад +12

    Telligman was born without his right pectoral, it wasn't torn. Tank Abbott trolled him about during one fight during a fight commentary...classic Tank!

  • @Murhamdilah
    @Murhamdilah 2 года назад +8

    You should do synthol suspect olympians next.

  • @kevinhenry1316
    @kevinhenry1316 2 года назад +22

    Great video … but I think Ronnie’s gut in 2003 was just as bad as Phil’s 2017 gut. The only difference was he was big everywhere.

    • @MrLaughingcorpse
      @MrLaughingcorpse 2 месяца назад

      That's what happens to you when you do drugs to cheat.

    • @lixion9974
      @lixion9974 Месяц назад

      ​@@MrLaughingcorpse thats what everyone does

    • @MrLaughingcorpse
      @MrLaughingcorpse Месяц назад

      @@lixion9974 No it isn't what "everyone" does and so what? Lots of people have gotten dumber after covid.

    • @thoughtrover6400
      @thoughtrover6400 17 дней назад

      Phils gut is way more extended.
      Ronny has a bigger waist though. But it never was a baloon like phil the gut heaths. Ronnie had a real bubblegut though.

  • @fishing4happiness610
    @fishing4happiness610 2 года назад +12

    Great video... do more of this type of content!

  • @bambostarla6259
    @bambostarla6259 2 года назад +17

    I love dorian, but his torn arm really ruined his physique in 1997. Apart from the fdb though, his arm isnt much of a weakness if you really go overcritical about it. Also nasser was suspected to have been using synthol, hence why he wasnt awarded the win

    • @Gnybr
      @Gnybr 2 года назад +4

      Nasser was also way less conditioned than Dorian during the finals and had no back compared to him

    • @bambostarla6259
      @bambostarla6259 2 года назад

      @@Gnybr In the back he was less conditioned, from the front he was quite dominant

    • @Gnybr
      @Gnybr 2 года назад +6

      @@bambostarla6259 Not if you look at proper video footage. The conditioning between them was close in pre-judging I agree but at the finals Dorian came in much better conditioned.

    • @bambostarla6259
      @bambostarla6259 2 года назад +4

      @@Gnybr Yes I agree. Maybe shawn ray should have one the mister O that year jajaja

    • @Murhamdilah
      @Murhamdilah 2 года назад +2

      Ramy is also synthol master. Look at his offseason rear delts and quad side and compare to the competition. Looks disproportionately bigger, oily shiny and less striation.

  • @TexasGuitarist
    @TexasGuitarist 2 года назад +35

    Before you even finish the video, I already know Dorian Yates arm is going to be in here...
    Edit: Wow, he was #1. Lol.

    • @geovaniefloresnaturalbodyb701
      @geovaniefloresnaturalbodyb701 2 года назад +8

      Bro even the hardcore dorinites can't dispute this. Thee worst arms in for a Mr Olympia even bodybuilding History.

    • @MikeG82
      @MikeG82 2 года назад +3

      @@geovaniefloresnaturalbodyb701 maybe but lucky for him the arms aren't front and center in most of the mandatory poses
      every gym rat wants big guns, they aren't overly important for competitive bodybuilding

    • @shred9475
      @shred9475 2 года назад +6

      Dorian yates is the most overrated incomplete bodybuilder of all time.

    • @sui6160
      @sui6160 2 года назад +5

      @@shred9475 93 prime Yates is one of the most complete bodybuilders ever.

    • @sui6160
      @sui6160 2 года назад +1

      @@geovaniefloresnaturalbodyb701 Phil’s gut was worse

  • @mikevaldez7684
    @mikevaldez7684 Год назад +2

    Ah, the ultimate roasting session of bodybuilders! Just hilarious how he ripped into these guys. He makes Don Rickles sound like an amateur comedian. 🤣🙋🙏

  • @kaleandoscope
    @kaleandoscope 2 года назад +3

    Triple trouble bubble gut 😂😂😂😂 never gets old always funny

  • @zman8340
    @zman8340 2 года назад +3

    I take it back, that’s the biggest elbow I’ve ever seen ! Classic Marx had me rolling !

  • @krissanders987
    @krissanders987 2 года назад +6

    It’s so crazy I never noticed any of these bodybuilders injuries. Poor Tom platz literally lost a entire arm when it got torn.

  • @adamspivey
    @adamspivey 11 месяцев назад +1

    I'm layjng here in bed at 3 a.m. watching this with tears in my ears from laughing so hard at Marx Max Muscle talking about Phil's gut and Yates arms

  • @stevenwallace5990
    @stevenwallace5990 2 года назад +3

    Man you got me in laughing so hard I am blowing snot bubble's..... LoL.....you are a word smith and friggin know your stuff....but I will always admit you also give praise at the same time.....and I think you are a well rounded on the aspects of bodybuilding and you do it very very diplomatically!!!!!! So in closing....love your content and you know your craft and that's not as easy to have a objective point of view....keep up the outstanding job 👍👍👍👍👍.....keep on keeping on

  • @mikevaldez7684
    @mikevaldez7684 Год назад +1

    Omg, I'm was rolling 🤣, he just roasts Dennis Wolf & Phil "the Gut" so completely..... it's brutal 😃🙋🙏

  • @philliplabuschagne5508
    @philliplabuschagne5508 2 года назад +3

    Hunters tennis ball chest 🎾 Oh the flashing lights and distracting back drop will hide it. If not the smoke definitely will. The Olympia planning a huge smoke and mirror show this year.

  • @M.J.D.R
    @M.J.D.R 2 года назад +5

    In 2018 Phil only improved the midsection, but 2017 apart from the gut, he was perfect everywhere else, huge, dry and picture symmetrical

    • @goodriddance86
      @goodriddance86 2 года назад

      yeah maybe but doesnt matter with such a gut....the midsection puts all the bodyparts together. Its a huge section of the body who immediately draws the attention of the eye. Btw personally I could never understand how some people say 2013 was Phils peak year. Like said in the video the year of the beginning of the bubble gut. 2011 was in my opinion still his best physique. Massive but still aesthetic, like a perfect combination between a classic and a big monster physique.

  • @elhadizerfaoui
    @elhadizerfaoui Год назад +1

    That song about phils gut is legendary 🤣

  • @nickbritten8132
    @nickbritten8132 2 года назад +3

    12:50 - 13:01 - absolutely hilarious spot on observation

    • @caseywrightsel4277
      @caseywrightsel4277 2 года назад +1

      You mean 14:01 but yea I fucking died during that horror music in the background

  • @samirrezkellah9226
    @samirrezkellah9226 Год назад +2

    You should make a video about bodybuilders who have the lower bac and calves issues lately in their careers

  • @mikemedal
    @mikemedal 2 года назад +20

    Trey Telligman had his pec and lung removed after a car accident. Not torn.

  • @RZFitnessTV
    @RZFitnessTV 2 года назад +1

    "You have a bubble but bonanza, drop it down like a belly danzaaa" LUI is the goat. Thank you for replacing him and doing a fair job at it

  • @myopinion8062
    @myopinion8062 2 года назад +4

    RIP JOHNNY FULLER HE WAS FROM ENGLAND HE RETIRED AND ENDED UP WORKING AS A BOUNCER IN THE ENGLISH CLUB SCENE

  • @Ryan-np4tx
    @Ryan-np4tx 2 года назад

    finally you did it which i was eagerly waiting this content in youtube since I join a gym now u uploaded thank you man

  • @mikthe2004
    @mikthe2004 2 года назад +5

    Yes, I've never read an explanation for what happened to Dennis's calves?? Early in his career his calves were actually decent as shown at 8:15, but they seemingly just disappeared ?? Dorian also tore his triceps in 1997 - his last Olympia - but I've never noticed that elbow swelling before!!
    That must be due to the triceps tear as well. What I don't understand is why his right arm got worse every year after 1994 as well?
    Maybe "heavy duty" isn't good for arms??

    • @ElizondoAbelardo
      @ElizondoAbelardo 2 года назад +1

      Maybe he didn't want his arms to be asymmetrical and didn't train them both as intense as he used to do before his torn bicep in 1994

    • @woahblackbettybamalam
      @woahblackbettybamalam 2 года назад +1

      Usually one leg gets nerve damage so they stop training both calves to avoid asymmetry. Same thing happened with Valliere

    • @chelseabill1237
      @chelseabill1237 2 года назад +1

      It might also be, that he wasnt able to train barbell movements due to the injury.

  • @JerryRiceBall
    @JerryRiceBall 2 года назад +15

    5:56 That’s what Ramys back is gonna look like in a couple more years.

    • @shred9475
      @shred9475 2 года назад

      How does that even happen

    • @JerryRiceBall
      @JerryRiceBall 2 года назад +2

      @@shred9475 Gotta be some type of nerve damage that doesn’t allow them to connect with the muscle.

  • @IEN-v7f
    @IEN-v7f 2 года назад +5

    Triple trouble bubble gut ahahahaha

  • @ChrisPyle
    @ChrisPyle Год назад +1

    I just tore my bicep last month. Watching this is double bubble painful

    • @lixion9974
      @lixion9974 Месяц назад

      How did you tear it

    • @ChrisPyle
      @ChrisPyle Месяц назад

      @@lixion9974 I wish there was a good story, but all I was doing was dragging a 110 pound everlast heavy bag from the car to the basement. One of the chains used to hang it got caught on something as I turned and started to pull it out of the car and boom. I could tell instantly. The swelling started very quickly and by the next day my entire arm was dark purple even down into my hand and fingers, Complete loss of strength and mobility for weeks and the recovery took months. The peak looks really cool, but the length is about 2/3 what it was.

  • @loves2smooch384
    @loves2smooch384 2 года назад +1

    Glad to see your face Maxx definitely made this a better channel

  • @billschmidt4192
    @billschmidt4192 3 месяца назад +1

    Go back and check Chris Dickersons sharpElbow sticking out a few inches..

  • @davideterminator75
    @davideterminator75 2 года назад +1

    Yates's elbow was like this in 1997 due to the tear in his triceps he had a few weeks before the competition. In the same arm torn biceps and triceps. In fact, he retired after his last victory in that race.

  • @GearsOfCake
    @GearsOfCake 2 года назад +5

    The gut was way worse than Dorian's arm lol

    • @M.J.D.R
      @M.J.D.R 2 года назад

      Definitely not. And not even close as bad as Ronnie 2003 or Dorian 1997, those are REAL bubble guts

  • @fredgardner2870
    @fredgardner2870 2 года назад +1

    Dickerson elbows were seriously yucky

  • @Ben-xf7uy
    @Ben-xf7uy 2 года назад +2

    Guy i work with has the same thing with his elbows. He has the biggest arms in the gym. He said they are bone spurs from lifting heavy and probably taking HGH made it worse

  • @deathadone88
    @deathadone88 5 месяцев назад

    subbed! your entertaining with your info.

  • @fredgardner2870
    @fredgardner2870 2 года назад

    Seriously Great bb video. Thanks

  • @panchopuskas1
    @panchopuskas1 Год назад +1

    Dennis Wolf with his lower lats melting as well as calves.....just like Iain Valliere, Big Ramy and Hunter Labrada to some extent. Could this be a new bodybuilding phenomena like Palumboism? You could call it Ramy-ism or Valliere-ism.

  •  2 года назад +1

    "sure it added some width" pretty pointy elbow 😂

  • @Caje-zf8md
    @Caje-zf8md 2 года назад +2

    Just like a race horse that breaks it leg, I think that once a bodybuilder tears a bicep, tricep, pec, etc., then his BB career is over. Judges that simply "rubber-stamp" this unsightly flaw just because the BB is in the top 5 should be removed from the panel. Once again, IMHO.

  • @TC10Football
    @TC10Football 2 года назад +3

    Mark I have to know if you smoke the devils lettuce my man, because I absolutely love watching your videos after smoking and your humour really resonates with me when I'm stoned lol, love from the UK!

  • @thorbeorn4295
    @thorbeorn4295 2 года назад

    Lmao the bubble gut song! Lui the legend!

  • @claytonwilson2036
    @claytonwilson2036 Год назад

    Great video max . Love it please do more of the same thanks

  • @hkfan746
    @hkfan746 Год назад

    Mark, you missed Joel Stubbs! Absolute Olympia caliber upper body, but his quads! I met him in person. What a monster! Tall and huge....

  • @carloscontreras3633
    @carloscontreras3633 2 года назад +2

    Remember when phil would say he has a bubble gut because of an umbilical hernia?

  • @caseywrightsel4277
    @caseywrightsel4277 2 года назад

    Okay this is the best MMM video to date

  • @fepethepenguin8287
    @fepethepenguin8287 Год назад

    This is comedy gold bro

  • @kaleandoscope
    @kaleandoscope 2 года назад +1

    Anyone can identify who the dude behind Dorian is at 13:54? That's also a double trouble quadruple! bonanza life!

  • @ryder6070
    @ryder6070 2 года назад +2

    Normally don't like the presenter's face in the video, however this thumbnail is great. Wait a minute....hehe, I spoke too soon

  • @igorchalov
    @igorchalov 2 года назад

    Joke with Robby Robinson passing the security was not easy to understand but nevertheless great)

  • @ABD5667
    @ABD5667 2 года назад +1

    Robby Robinson probably flirted with the nurses until they let him see Tom Platz 😂😂
    Interesting you didn't do big Ramy lower back/lats. In the Phil heath bubble gut pic you can see that Ramy had lats going low down and are full also

  • @theravagedgrapefruit8190
    @theravagedgrapefruit8190 2 года назад +1

    Phil Heath looked like a ninja turtle in 2017.

  • @TheChimpschamp
    @TheChimpschamp 2 года назад

    This was your funniest video yet 😂

  • @bambostarla6259
    @bambostarla6259 2 года назад +2

    I feel sorry for phil. Ronnie and dorian also had a gut at the end of their career, yet they dont get too much backlash about it. Rhoden deserved to win in '18 for sure, but phil is too overly criticized for no reason

    • @わーかうと
      @わーかうと 2 года назад

      I think that the recent change in open bodybuilding to aesthetics is at least in part because he has taken a lot of criticism. He did some great things.

    • @lesnuitssanskimwilde883
      @lesnuitssanskimwilde883 2 года назад +1

      Dorian already a gut in 1993. Ronnie had some distension in 1998.

    • @M.J.D.R
      @M.J.D.R 2 года назад

      Ronnie acts like a humble guy and Dorian doesn’t even talk much in that time. Phil labeled himself as the greatest thing ever and showed with that

  • @leevancleef358
    @leevancleef358 Год назад

    Man - Dorian did NOT look good in those last pics but 1993 - INCREDIBLE. Dennis Wolf looked amazing at his best too....just amazing...but nerve damage got him and his physique just disappeared. Gotta be so tough to be so built then see it fade away.

  • @tcswag801
    @tcswag801 5 месяцев назад

    Dickerson Left elbow what I've done some damage in Muay Thai , or some MMA lol . RIP .

    • @deathadone88
      @deathadone88 5 месяцев назад

      lol..he should of transitioned to thai boxer lol.

  • @respectkev5136
    @respectkev5136 2 года назад +1

    Dickerson is an Olympia champion that shouldnt have been

  • @neogeoveniteo4690
    @neogeoveniteo4690 2 года назад +2

    Where the fuck Is Brandao's SHNOZE? 🤣

  • @nickbritten8132
    @nickbritten8132 2 года назад +1

    2:00 - Tom’s bicep is a travesty 💪

  • @hans46664
    @hans46664 2 года назад

    Awesome video bud's

  • @wildmanz8233
    @wildmanz8233 2 года назад

    Those elbows of Dickerson are probably bursitis. I've got that from years of training

  • @thisisjustmebodybuilding6043
    @thisisjustmebodybuilding6043 2 года назад +1

    i expected this video to be really disrespectful (which i just don't find funny), but it was fine 👍👍 actually quite entertainining, too.

  • @lixion9974
    @lixion9974 Месяц назад

    00:00 thats not a torn pec, thats just how it inserts

  • @kessq8753
    @kessq8753 2 года назад +1

    Top 10 most common body parts to be uneven

  • @davideterminator75
    @davideterminator75 2 года назад

    Chris Dickerson has never used GH, the Grorm, to be exact, as I have read in past magazines, or in some youtube posts.
    He deserved his victory, indeed. the title was stolen twice, in 1980 and 1981. Some criticize his physique by attributing the victories in 1980 to Mentzer, who unfortunately finished fifth, and in 1981 to Platz who came third. Chris had an anomaly in his elbows, but it was not due to GH. Also despite his injuries, he was one of the best conditioned athletes at the time he was competing. I know his bib tore off during a horizontal bench execution. I can't find any news instead of the bicep tear, which if you look closely, is injured in the proximal area of the long head, but also injured in the usual area near the elbow, which is noted in the double front biceps pose.

  • @EzeK5
    @EzeK5 2 года назад

    Dude I just came across your channel I have no idea what the fuck your voice is but it’s hilarious🤣🤣🤣

  • @rickbrenner6079
    @rickbrenner6079 Год назад

    I might have taken that year off if I was Tom Platz, the year Tom tore his bicep (‘82). I get that he had to compete if he wanted to have a chance to win the prize money at all, but pictures are not only forever, they are also everywhere now that we have the Internet and social media, and so I feel that torn bicep, therefore, detracts from Tom’s overall legacy. And while Dorian also competed with a torn bicep over a decade later AND WON THE SANDOW with his torn bicep, Dorian’s situation was completely different than Tom’s situation. Dorian not only came in to the ‘94 Olympia as the favorite to win the show, he was also one of only a handful of Olympia-level bodybuilders in the history of the sport who could still win a Sandow with an entire body part missing, as virtually every other body part of Dorian’s was light years ahead of his fellow competitors in terms of mass, conditioning. hardness, and just plain looking like he was carved from granite. Platz was light years ahead of his competitors when it came to his legs, but when it came to every part of his upper body, Platz had to bust his tail just to be considered in the Top 5 that a bicep tear for Tom Platz was virtually a guarantee for placing outside the Top 5, and in fact, Tom placed 6th that year (‘82).

  • @Archane2
    @Archane2 2 года назад

    Damn that dennis wolf back photo is cursed.

  • @mohammedhassanademadem
    @mohammedhassanademadem 2 года назад

    Subscribed to you channel🤗 Bubble double triple GUT

  • @BuJammy
    @BuJammy 2 года назад

    Cadaver growth hormone is what got Dickerson's elbows like that.

  • @JamesAHollandMusic
    @JamesAHollandMusic 2 года назад +4

    I disagree with you saying that Plaz has a perfect physique. His legs were always waaayyyy too big for his upper body. The guy had zero aesthetics.

  • @FatherSonHolySpiritAmen.
    @FatherSonHolySpiritAmen. Год назад

    Goes to show just how dominant Yates was.. to have a messed up arm, and still win 4 more titles.

  • @micahhyde4993
    @micahhyde4993 2 года назад

    Ronnies left quad was torn too in 06'

  • @bambostarla6259
    @bambostarla6259 2 года назад

    I havent torn my lat but my left lat is much smalled than my right lat anyway😭

  • @anasabura3037
    @anasabura3037 2 года назад

    Who would have thought that Dorian would be the first to drop a like😂😂😂😂

  • @pimpmastaa101
    @pimpmastaa101 2 года назад +2

    Nasser got robbed in 97

    • @deathadone88
      @deathadone88 5 месяцев назад

      its so unfair on him, I wonder if he would be alive today if he won, maybe he would of retired after he won and lost the title.

  • @SureBone99
    @SureBone99 2 года назад

    Nice video

  • @guygraham8016
    @guygraham8016 2 года назад

    Max, do a torn Badonkadonk video lol.

  • @fepethepenguin8287
    @fepethepenguin8287 Год назад

    Even the tricep is gone
    Lol ded

  • @patrickmurphy5842
    @patrickmurphy5842 2 года назад

    seriously!? torn lat?! never heard of that! Takes some real effort!

  • @dontreadmyname4396
    @dontreadmyname4396 2 года назад

    why surgeons aren't able to fix torn biceps or other torn muscles into their original shape and tendon length¿

  • @abdulhamza172
    @abdulhamza172 2 года назад

    Where's Rolley and Kai Bubble gut bonanza 😂😂

  • @arthurblackhistoric
    @arthurblackhistoric 2 года назад

    Did Dorian Yates tear both triceps as well? I think I read somewhere that he did but I can't find it now. If he didn't, then this is the perfect example of what I call "Old Man Triceps". In his early photos his triceps have really full bellies, but in photos of Dorian taken later in his life it's glaringly obvious that something has happened to them. Even Sergio Oliva's triceps became old man's triceps in his later life. How about a video investigating this phenomenon, pretty please?

  • @howardcraigiv518
    @howardcraigiv518 2 года назад

    Great video…. the triple Bubble Gut
    In Body building your stomach should not stick out further than your chest.

  • @briancurry438
    @briancurry438 Год назад

    Dennis Wolf had a neck fusion and wasn’t able to train the way he needed to be a top competitor.

  • @earthwormjim3269
    @earthwormjim3269 2 года назад

    Kevin Levrone's legs deserved a mention. In the 1992 Olympia they were perhaps his best body part - in the 2002 Olympia they were his worst body part.

    • @fredgardner2870
      @fredgardner2870 2 года назад

      U get older the legs r the first to go..they just get smaller n smaller every year

  • @reeset
    @reeset 2 года назад

    Hahahahah, Marx did u really think that on Telligman was a torn pec??? xD

  • @raymondjones6273
    @raymondjones6273 2 года назад +1

    At least they didn't have gyno. It would be funny if you made a bodybuilder from the worst body parts of these bodybuilders and used yourself as the base lol

  • @porcupinecraig
    @porcupinecraig 2 года назад

    It made me ill all the years that Dorian and Ronnie kept winning with expanding guts and all I heard was "Well, the O is won from the back" Then we see Ronnie still get second with that horrible lat. If the O is won from the back, the Ronnie should have been last place in 06. Dorian's torn bicep should have ended his reign. Just stupid how the best physique in the planet sports a badly torn bicep.
    Haney said it best "If I were to rip this bicep, that means the end. I don't have another 14 years to construct a new one."

  • @kayledarius4965
    @kayledarius4965 2 года назад +2

    2:39 I think you're doing something different Marx no wonder why you removed the camera 🤔

  • @robertdemon3550
    @robertdemon3550 2 года назад

    Wonder what caused Dickerson’s elbows to get like that.

  • @Tanmuh
    @Tanmuh 2 года назад

    triple trouble double bubble gut LMAO

  • @shawntyler863
    @shawntyler863 2 года назад

    Damn those calves at 1:26

  • @patrickmurphy5842
    @patrickmurphy5842 2 года назад

    Johnny Fuller had he been 3-4 inches taller with the mass increase, would have been Lee Haney rival

  • @robertprosser6856
    @robertprosser6856 2 года назад +1

    Dorians arms never exceptional but them 1997 arms were just awful.

  • @philliplabuschagne5508
    @philliplabuschagne5508 2 года назад

    Ian Valiere has the same calves as Dennis Wolf.

  • @blacklivesmatter2083
    @blacklivesmatter2083 2 года назад +2

    Man I really miss the LUI.
    Marx Max could you do a video about William the THUG bonac and the Move to Kuwait incident ?
    And also how luimarco made many nobodies famous ? Like mr proppah Steve laures, Peter molnar, Etc ?

  • @msd5808
    @msd5808 2 года назад

    Makes me hungry for challah bread

  • @Felipe_CiprianoAF
    @Felipe_CiprianoAF 2 года назад

    Can someone explain me,
    Why the hell does this HAPPEN?
    I want to prevente that for myself...