I get why people would question if this is real or not. I had an inside source that I very much trust say it's real. When it hit the net originally it was taken down. I have no idea if this will stay up. Download it ASAP.
Done. I had reuploaded 3 rare Iron Maiden performance videos from Bremen but they were taken down so I put them up on V imeo: Killers, Charlotte the Harlot and Remember Tomorrow.
Thank you for the rare insight into early VH. They were still teenagers when this was recorded. On first listen, I was most struck by Al's drumming. He sounds very professional for a kid, he sounds like he's more musically advanced than Ed at this point, not surprising since he's a few years older. Ed absolutely nails the solo ii's not the most complex guitar solo, but it has those strange noise effects and Ed has clearly figured out how to imitate them on his inexpensive department store rig. So cool to hear these guys during their development. Thanks!
First listen thru for me and I'm sitting here thinking the same thing about Al's drumming. Really amazing for his age...and it definitely sounds like him on the kit.
They started playing drums and guitar around the same time. Ed on drums, Al on guitar, but while Ed was working a paper route to pay for his drum kit, Al got better at drums than him, so Ed played Al's guitar.
Alan you are a certified mother-lovin’ legend!! Words cannot even begin to articulate just how over the moon I am about this, I’ve been looking for this since it got scrubbed offline 2 years back. From the bottom of my heart, thank you so much sir! This just made my whole week! 🙏
@@hollylewis5302 I have realized that the misplaced question mark at the end of the song title came off as rude so sorry about that. I was referring to the album not the band btw.
Just to clarify, Eddie, Alex and Mark Stone had a band called Mammoth in 1972. Thus my response to your comment "Not from Mammoth." I'm assuming you are aware that Wolf used the same name to honor his dad. I didn't think you were being rude.@@sylverlight
@@hollylewis5302Dude this is a confusing misunderstanding. Yes I am aware of those things I'm just not very good with wording. Your cover of How Many Say I was pretty good too.
Thank you so much for uploading this. It's absolute gold. I think the floodgates are starting to open on the elusive VH/Ed material .... we all appreciate all you do!
Yea take away tapping, pinch harmonics, and all of that “look at me” “LOOK AT ME” playing Eddie never could just play a badass Iommi style riff. Had to NONSTOP include all of the little “bells and whistles” to impress the “hell yea man” low iQ fans.
@@JAMESGANG-f5u You're right about heavy, slow riffs not being EVH's style but according to the description Eddie was only 17 at the time so I think you're being overly harsh. At 17 if I had been blessed with that kind of talent I'd probably want to be showing off all of the time too.
Awesome to hear Eddie so young and raw .he had never used the tapping technique prior to seeing Frank Zappa using it .Eddie made it famous but Frank was the first established American recording artist that used it in any extended kind of way .
In 1974 or 75 on the Mike Douglas Show .the episode from this is on RUclips .anyone that haves any doubt as the validity of this please feel free to go have a look for yourself ? Just Google Frank Zappa preforms on the Mike Douglas Show 1970s
This is incredible. It’s Mammoth for sure. Is Eddie singing? It doesn’t sound like him. I wonder if it’s a buddy who was hanging out with them? This is pretty much note for note. Alex is amazing here. These guys learned all these songs by ear, there was no tab back then. Let’s hope it stays up.
I saw VH open for Sabbath in '78 ( Newcastle City Hall UK ) . Both bands were absolutely phenomenal . I was in the back row ( the gig sold out in one day ) , the whole VH band were behind me watching Sabbath for at least half of their set . Apparently the bands got on really well ... There are other early VH recordings out there of them doing Sabbath's Tomorrow's Dream as well as In For The Kill by Welsh band Budgie ( early 70's contemporaries of Sabbath ) ... Iommi stated that he was more inspired by Clapton's tenure with The Bluesbreakers whereas Bill and Geezer were bonafide Cream fans . Eddie VH was a game changing enigma for sure . He was no doubt influenced by everybody and everything . There were bits of his approach that reminded me slightly of a super charged Billy Gibbons fused with Rory Gallagher but "hey ho" I've been a fan since '78
Iommi was clearly influenced by Cream, as was EVH, and you can hear the ease Eddie has re-creating the solos...killer tone at 17! Yes it's All in the hands boys
iommi was influenced by a lot of different stuff and the cream influence isn’t something thats super apparent other than a few things on the first album and his soloing in places
I think Eddie was a lot more influenced by Blackmore then he cared to admit. The speed picking, the tremolo arm work, and overall aggressive playing points to Blackmore than any other ‘60s/‘70s guitarist. Van Halen covered a few Purple tracks. I’ve heard a recording from the Burn album that they played at a party. Just my opinion.
OMFG!!!!! Wake up to this???? Who are you? Why are you giving me these gifts? Thank you so march!!!!! I was so wrong about STIL!!! I’m still sorry! My god love these docs, but this is pure…..I shut and press play! Thanks ❤
The van Halen brothers did a pretty awesome job. At one time they thought of calling their band rat salad after an instrumental song on the paranoid album
Most notable is how the higher notes ring out from the chords. Amazing clarity. Mirrors Nuno's recent statement on Rick Beato re little distortion on Eddie's tone. \m/ \m/
In my mind, it's fair to say that Eddie was a very important part of the backing vox just as Michael Anthony was... he was a musician thru and thru, mind body and soul and he was fucking incredible on everything he did. Still can't fully cope with his death, fuck he was great, THEY ALL WERE.
Eddies playing especially the last solo was so tight and not like a seventeen yr old kid. And Mark Stone's bass playing was on par with Eddie's playing he was a badass bassist.
To anyone holding onto all the old VH and mammoth bootlegs release them onto the world..This music needs to be heard not kept on a dusty shelf in the closet... VH
What's the venue or garage this came from ,I have never heard this before,if its legit ok this would be the earliest known vh/mammoth recording ever! )I know what I'm talking about,I'm the source for all the demos and live shows from 75 to 78 ,all my tapes came out on silver cds way back from 1995 to 2005, I wish I had q dollar from all the cdrs that were from my original CD bootlegs
Interesting. If this is Eddie, it’s likely before he got his Marshall. It sounds like an Ampeg which would have been pretty common in those days. One thing that is odd, is that the singing is pitchy, which I would find inconsistent with Ed since he had such good ears. Forget the vocal power, he would likely still sing in key. The other thing is the soloing is more pentatonic than I’ve ever heard Ed do. It’s also closer to the recording than what he did just a couple of years later. I’d be more inclined to say it’s Alex playing a side gig but I’d need more evidence to say it’s Ed playing. Very interesting to hear though
I think it might be real . Is that ED SINGING ? .....Alex has really got Bill Ward's drum fills down with his own variants too if it is him. Is that MARK STONE doing Geezer's stuff on bass ? ....It would be really interesting to hear Tony, Bill & Geezer's opinion on this. In the clubs later as Van Halen they used to turn stuff like 'Get Down Tonight' by K.C & the Sunshine Band into BLACK SABBATH Versions & renditions...lol
It's Ed. Just listen to his son Wolfgang when Wolf VanHalen sings his Mammoth W.V.H. song Called Don't Back Down As Wolf is Singing Don't Back Down Wolfie's Voice sounds Identical to Ed as Ed is Singing War Pigs on this recording here on this Video. It's Definitely Edward Ludwig VanHalen Singing.
@@DavidNeumeier-wp2oc Actually I think Wolf has got a much BETTER voice that Ed had really...That's pretty obvious if you hear him in both the studio & in live stuff on RUclips. I believe his DAD would have been the first to admit that Wolf has a better voice.
man, they were very good, even at that age. Alex was cold kickin it, Eddie's great (although was hoping to hear some tapping, but maybe he wasn't doing that yet....someone correct me if they know otherwise) and Stone's a real good bass player.
Yeah Eddie didn’t start tapping until right before the first album was recorded. Even on the original Warner Bros. demo that was done in February 1977, he wasn’t tapping yet.
It Definitely sounds like Ed singing here On his son Wolfgang song when Wolf is singing his song called Don't Back Down. Wolf's 2021 song If you listen closely Wolf VanHalen's voice when Wolf is singing Don't Back Down sounds almost Identical To his Dad Eddie Van Halen as Ed sings War Pigs in this Audio clip video here.
I'm hearing it as another garage band. Having a good day.. A thing maybe why is, the sound quality. I had friends that sounded like this. And people would say the same thing. They're awesome. But compare this sound to pro recording quality, and the difference stands there. And, a basic is, it might be labeled VH , but is it. Only after the singer shuts up, and we're into the final portion does it sound just about professional in skills. ( still not in sound quality). Whoever it was. without confirming, I'd it's guys having a good session.
Is there any way of verifying authentication? I feel this isn’t them. Reason being is that people always said how the VH brothers replicated the songs with unreal accuracy and I don’t hear it here. And the guitarist here is competent but pedestrian compared to other early Van Halen tapes I’ve heard. Of course it’s 1972 so who knows. I’m definitely not a collector of early Van Halen recordings or bootlegs so I definitely could be wrong.
@@TheTapesArchive I trust you Alan. It’s cool to see an early snapshot of the bands progression. The VH brother’s definitely put in the work to eventually reach their god-like status.
@@guskalogeros9021 I agree you should question it though. All I can say is my person said it's real, I believe him. And the fact the first time it went up it got taken down. So grab it while you can. :)
Im not overly impressed by this at all ,not sure what everybody else is hearing but any ragtag bunch of teenagers should easily be able to handle this song and solos and sound just as good, if this is indeed Eddie and Alex they both jumped leaps and bounds in the next year or two, especially Eddie because the drums werre hard hitting ala Alex , but a nice snapshot from the past to show they were human afterall
It’s funny because Ed is not playing the solos or the riffs note-for-note. He played Clapton note-for-note, but not this. He sounds great, but he’s playing a lot of stuff that isn’t correct to the original version from the ‘Paranoid’ album, unlike the Cream stuff which is 99.999% exactly like the records.
@@chriskroll4166 I’ve been playing guitar for over 40 years with special emphasis on studying and transcribing Van Halen. I’m the most recent guest on Dweezil Zappa’s Van Halen podcast ‘Runnin’ With the Dweezil’ and I’m very familiar with Eddie’s playing as a whole.
@@AllenGarberGuitarFun with forty years of playing under your belt you would think that you would know anything about improvisation but obviously you don't. You probably just spend your time transcribing other people's material and never do your own thing. In other words you paint by numbers and never on an open canvas like a real artist. So much you have missed over the years. 🤡
*_"...Patrick Meehan, suggested the new title "War Pigs," which better reflected the song's anti-war message and was less likely to cause controversy."_* NO. The lyrics were also changed quickly to _create_ an anti-war message instead of the apparently pro-Satanistic message of the original. Hence the lazy rhyming of _"...gathered in their masses"_ with _"...witches at Black Masses."_ The original was: _"Witches gather at black masses_ _Bodies burning in red ashes"_ You can find the original _"Walpurgis"_ on RUclips. {:o:O:} _(Edited for tyops)_
Found it! That's a very fair call-out. TBH I added that text from Chat-GPT and never proofed it. I really didn't think anyone read past the first couple of lines. So I added the rest purely for the algorithm. I should have proofed it. Leson learned. Thank you for the correction. 🤘 I still have no clue why your comments got deleted and I have added zero key words to look out for.
@@TheTapesArchive Nice! *_" I added that text from Chat-GPT and never proofed it. I really didn't think anyone read past the first couple of lines."_* Ah, the perils of AI! I was a Sabbath fan long before a Van Halen fan, so I read it all! I was 10 years old in 1972! The song was originally about Walpurgisnacht and has some quite hairy imagery. It's kind of a little sad that War Pigs was the after thought, for record company reasons, as it was a great song in itself. {:o:O:}
Ed always thought he was a better singer than he was. This was the source of friction with Mike, as he always got most of the credit for backing vocals. Mike was a better singer, but the sad truth that Ed, apparently, never understood was that it was the way their voices blended that made the backing tracks so good. Wolf is a good singer too, but the harmonies with his dad didn't compare to Mike and Ed's. Many do not know that Alex had to insist that Ed stop singing lead and they should get a frontman. VH was special because of dynamics - between Ed and Al, Al and Mike, Ed and Mike's harmonies, Dave's voice over Ed's guitar, Dave's lyrics to Ed's music, and on and on. Much of that disappeared, or at least changed, when Dave left. Long Love The Mighty.
![Black Sabbath - War Pigs (Live in Gottingen, Germany 1995) [Pro TV]](/img/1.gif)
I get why people would question if this is real or not. I had an inside source that I very much trust say it's real. When it hit the net originally it was taken down. I have no idea if this will stay up. Download it ASAP.
Done.
I had reuploaded 3 rare Iron Maiden performance videos from Bremen but they were taken down so I put them up on V imeo: Killers, Charlotte the Harlot and Remember Tomorrow.
Why has my reply to this been deleted twice?
{:o:O:}
Yes, somebody please save this! I heard this once years ago.
@@JohnnyBeane I got this if you need it. I've had it since 2020
Two key factors: In those days, Eddie was singing lead, and that doesn't sound like Eddie.......nor does the guitar.
Thank you for the rare insight into early VH. They were still teenagers when this was recorded. On first listen, I was most struck by Al's drumming. He sounds very professional for a kid, he sounds like he's more musically advanced than Ed at this point, not surprising since he's a few years older. Ed absolutely nails the solo ii's not the most complex guitar solo, but it has those strange noise effects and Ed has clearly figured out how to imitate them on his inexpensive department store rig. So cool to hear these guys during their development. Thanks!
First listen thru for me and I'm sitting here thinking the same thing about Al's drumming. Really amazing for his age...and it definitely sounds like him on the kit.
Alex played "professionally" with his dad in clubs for quite a while so thats probably why.
They started playing drums and guitar around the same time. Ed on drums, Al on guitar, but while Ed was working a paper route to pay for his drum kit, Al got better at drums than him, so Ed played Al's guitar.
I agree. Al clearly stands out in this recording
Thank you from this lifelong Van Halen and Sabbath fan! I was born in '72. Cheers!
Van Halen playing Sabbath, 🤯
Alan you are a certified mother-lovin’ legend!! Words cannot even begin to articulate just how over the moon I am about this, I’ve been looking for this since it got scrubbed offline 2 years back. From the bottom of my heart, thank you so much sir! This just made my whole week! 🙏
On that note, make sure you download it.
@@TheTapesArchiveAlready did and sent this link to a few buddies as well 🙏
Should be Eddie!!! Whoo hoo finally get to hear his young voice!@user-fj1pq8me7w
@user-fj1pq8me7w It’s Ed at 17.
@user-fj1pq8me7wed sings
Have I finally been able to hear Eddie sing in Mammoth?? OMG!!! THANK YOU!!! Dream come true! ❤🤍🖤🎸🎤
Not from Mammoth, but have you heard How Many Say I? from Van Halen III?
Oh really? What band is it from then? Check my page for my piano rendition of "How Many Say I".
@@hollylewis5302 I have realized that the misplaced question mark at the end of the song title came off as rude so sorry about that. I was referring to the album not the band btw.
Just to clarify, Eddie, Alex and Mark Stone had a band called Mammoth in 1972. Thus my response to your comment "Not from Mammoth." I'm assuming you are aware that Wolf used the same name to honor his dad. I didn't think you were being rude.@@sylverlight
@@hollylewis5302Dude this is a confusing misunderstanding. Yes I am aware of those things I'm just not very good with wording. Your cover of How Many Say I was pretty good too.
WOW. Yeah the feel is in Eddie early on. Nobody has this kind of perfect quirky rhythm and swing but the VH brothers.
Well Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler, and Bill Ward did.
This is mind blowing to hear! Power trio!!!!! Awesome to hear Eddie singing !!!! 🤘🤘🤘 space ace ron ⚡️⚡️⚡️
Maybe people are expecting him to screech the guitar and tap hammer-on pull off. He was 17 years old here sounds incredible so clean
Thank you!
Thank you so much for uploading this. It's absolute gold. I think the floodgates are starting to open on the elusive VH/Ed material .... we all appreciate all you do!
WOW! This is so great,as I've heard they covered this, and at a time when Eddie was the singer! Huge this is! Thank-you❤🎸🤘😎🤘
Wow Alex is killing it.
The whole thing sounds awesome. 🏁
Omg eh???? He is a giant!!!! Legend!
Alex is impressive here. Ed's still figuring things out. Thanks for sharing this!
This is wild. Thank you so much for all your content here. I’ve learned so much and I’m a VH nerd.
Wow, great find! Eddie sounds more comfortable soloing than playing the main riffs.
I thought the same thing!
Yea take away tapping, pinch harmonics, and all of that “look at me” “LOOK AT ME” playing
Eddie never could just play a badass Iommi style riff. Had to NONSTOP include all of the little “bells and whistles” to impress the “hell yea man” low iQ fans.
@@JAMESGANG-f5u You're right about heavy, slow riffs not being EVH's style but according to the description Eddie was only 17 at the time so I think you're being overly harsh. At 17 if I had been blessed with that kind of talent I'd probably want to be showing off all of the time too.
@@JAMESGANG-f5u Dick much?
@@JAMESGANG-f5uvan halen still had some badass riffs and blew iommi out the water any day of the week
Awesome to hear Eddie so young and raw .he had never used the tapping technique prior to seeing Frank Zappa using it .Eddie made it famous but Frank was the first established American recording artist that used it in any extended kind of way .
In 1974 or 75 on the Mike Douglas Show .the episode from this is on RUclips .anyone that haves any doubt as the validity of this please feel free to go have a look for yourself ? Just Google Frank Zappa preforms on the Mike Douglas Show 1970s
Now it's clear why the wanted to called their group rat salad in first place 😅 thank you so much for this gem loving this channel more every day ❤️
This puts a huge smile on my face! Thank You Sir!
dude....a perfect crossover for you! you've done awesome docs on both bands! and both bands RULE. dig it!
I agree! When I found it I was like this is TTA all day. The only way it could have been better is if I found out Frank Zappa recorded it. 🤘
Good gracious! No wonder they blew Sabbath off the stage! Alex's drumming is incredible, and they sounded very tight.
Alex himself would tell you just how good Bill Ward was as a drummer... Alex doesn't have Wards feel at all...
IMO they are both great drummers.
This is incredible. It’s Mammoth for sure. Is Eddie singing? It doesn’t sound like him. I wonder if it’s a buddy who was hanging out with them? This is pretty much note for note. Alex is amazing here. These guys learned all these songs by ear, there was no tab back then. Let’s hope it stays up.
Sounds like Eddie to me
That's Eddie!
a tab 4 a song like this.... really ?
Eddie before hes fucked up cigarrette voice
Awesome. Just awesome. It's clear why Eddie and Alex switched musical instruments very early on
Wtf, Alex isn’t on guitar here.
@@thefonzkiss That's not what was being said. It's clear why they switched because they're both very good at what they're known for playing
Very cool to hear Thank You for posting. Mark Stone is in my opinion very good (UNDER RATED)
We could go see Mammoth just about every weekend, backyard parties, Hamilton Park up in Hastings Ranch. Good Times!
Anything Van Halen does is perfection 👍🏻❤️
I saw VH open for Sabbath in '78 ( Newcastle City Hall UK ) . Both bands were absolutely phenomenal . I was in the back row ( the gig sold out in one day ) , the whole VH band were behind me watching Sabbath for at least half of their set . Apparently the bands got on really well ... There are other early VH recordings out there of them doing Sabbath's Tomorrow's Dream as well as In For The Kill by Welsh band Budgie ( early 70's contemporaries of Sabbath ) ... Iommi stated that he was more inspired by Clapton's tenure with The Bluesbreakers whereas Bill and Geezer were bonafide Cream fans . Eddie VH was a game changing enigma for sure . He was no doubt influenced by everybody and everything . There were bits of his approach that reminded me slightly of a super charged Billy Gibbons fused with Rory Gallagher but "hey ho" I've been a fan since '78
So that's Ed singing? This is amazing stuff. Thank you 😮 🤟
Iommi was clearly influenced by Cream, as was EVH, and you can hear the ease Eddie has re-creating the solos...killer tone at 17! Yes it's All in the hands boys
iommi was influenced by a lot of different stuff and the cream influence isn’t something thats super apparent other than a few things on the first album and his soloing in places
Yep. His tone is very much in the Cream/Clapton style here
It Sucks! Yup Sucks.
@@williamcarroll6470What sucks?
I think Eddie was a lot more influenced by Blackmore then he cared to admit. The speed picking, the tremolo arm work, and overall aggressive playing points to Blackmore than any other ‘60s/‘70s guitarist. Van Halen covered a few Purple tracks. I’ve heard a recording from the Burn album that they played at a party. Just my opinion.
What's really crazy is, how clean-ish EVH's tone is! This is obviously before he started using 100 watt Super Leads with a variac! WOW!!
OMFG!!!!! Wake up to this???? Who are you? Why are you giving me these gifts? Thank you so march!!!!! I was so wrong about STIL!!! I’m still sorry! My god love these docs, but this is pure…..I shut and press play! Thanks ❤
Also…thanks for Tom Shreds! Wow! How did I miss that guy???? I have a great Sunday now! This Sabbath is best served black. That’s Ed singing???😮❤
Just waking up to this too, well first I grabbed a beer then grabbed my phone and clicked on this 💎 gem
@@paulieramosamen my friend! I need some puffs😂
Yes. Eddie singing!! Whoo hoo!@@Kinger1625
Cuz I get a lot of joy sharing cool stuff with cool folks. 🤘🍻
another 5 years of playing every dump & dive nonstop got them to VH I...a long hard road.
WOW, WELL DONE!!! These guys took it and owned it!!!! Mercy ❤
They made it theirs!! Amazing cover!!!
Please more Van Haken Sabbath songs. Awesome stuff from two of my favorite bands ever. 🎸
Hail to the Brothers VH and their extended family of fans!
thanks for this! awesome!
💎!!!!!!!! Jewell.
Van Halen opened for Sabbath early on, and as far as I can tell, they are the only contemporary that they emulated in a track "Tora Tora"
The van Halen brothers did a pretty awesome job. At one time they thought of calling their band rat salad after an instrumental song on the paranoid album
Rev Alex Bocephus Van Halen! Sounds sooo good here! VH forever!
Nice guitar work
I can hear drop dead legs on the groove ... that's Ed and the drumming.. no mistaking it
Most notable is how the higher notes ring out from the chords. Amazing clarity. Mirrors Nuno's recent statement on Rick Beato re little distortion on Eddie's tone. \m/ \m/
Awesome
Right on!!!
Just two brothers growing up jamming together…getting ready for the Van Halen World Invasion
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Holy sheeeeeet thanks man!!!
Really cool!
I remember getting this in Feb 2020 wasn't really sure, since Eddie did most of the vocals at that time, I didn't really think it sounded like him.
No Michael here either guys! Surprised Eddie isnt riffing between chords. Solo was great, has that classic VH ending too!
Eddie's timing at 17 is amazing. Johnny Beane sent me.
Yes this is amazing stuff! Thank you!!!!
We love Johnny Beane! 🤘🍻
In my mind, it's fair to say that Eddie was a very important part of the backing vox just as Michael Anthony was... he was a musician thru and thru, mind body and soul and he was fucking incredible on everything he did. Still can't fully cope with his death, fuck he was great, THEY ALL WERE.
Wow! Guessing Ed is playing through the bandmaster and not the plexi.
Almost certain he didnt get the Plexi until '74
only Van Halen can make a Black Sabbath song sound happy.
This Rules.🤘🤘
Eddies playing especially the last solo was so tight and not like a seventeen yr old kid. And Mark Stone's bass playing was on par with Eddie's playing he was a badass bassist.
This gem might not be online for long, record what you can.
Eddie was 17, both Mark & Alex were 19 when this was recorded.
To anyone holding onto all the old VH and mammoth bootlegs release them onto the world..This music needs to be heard not kept on a dusty shelf in the closet... VH
Never heard Eddie sing, but It sounds like his voice definitely.
You’ve never heard how many say i or any of the audio of him during live versions of why cant this be love?
And he's just shy he can sing insu can't Michael Anthony obviously 1:57 1:57
Ed had Tony’s tone down.
These guys were destined for greatness.
Eddie doing vocals before found Dave
Wow
The Boys sent me here with a Van Halen 1972 Captcha S01E03 \8:49 into the episode.
Well, NOW i hear the Clapton influences. It's all garage jam until Ed gets to let rip. That's some pretty tasty blues guitar for a 17 year old kid!
What's the venue or garage this came from ,I have never heard this before,if its legit ok this would be the earliest known vh/mammoth recording ever! )I know what
I'm talking about,I'm the source for all the demos and live shows from 75 to 78 ,all my tapes came out on silver cds way back from 1995 to 2005, I wish I had q dollar from all the cdrs that were from my original CD bootlegs
Listen to the band ancient days!
Damone used to play drums for Eddie Van Halen? Sweet.
1000 gigs later they changed Rock and Roll forever.
And 6 years later they opened for sabbath!
does anyone know if any other recordings exist of evh singing lead in the early days? if yes, which songs exist? thanks
Great recording. And thanks @TheTapesArchive for the video description, which really explains this song and puts this recording in perspective.
Hi there! @DVincentW Isn't this wonderful!
Love your channel! @@hollylewis5302
If this is real awesome ty EDDIE DID SING EARLY ON so thank you
Man I wish that was with Diamond Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Recording is too good for 1972 !😛🤘
Definitely too good… stereo recording wouldn’t have been very common at all back then.
Johnny Beane sent me here!
Thank you man!!!
We love Johnny Beane! 🤘🍻
Interesting. If this is Eddie, it’s likely before he got his Marshall. It sounds like an Ampeg which would have been pretty common in those days. One thing that is odd, is that the singing is pitchy, which I would find inconsistent with Ed since he had such good ears. Forget the vocal power, he would likely still sing in key. The other thing is the soloing is more pentatonic than I’ve ever heard Ed do. It’s also closer to the recording than what he did just a couple of years later. I’d be more inclined to say it’s Alex playing a side gig but I’d need more evidence to say it’s Ed playing. Very interesting to hear though
Sounds exactly like Eddie’s voice to me.
Me too. When people say it doesn't sound like them I scratch my head.
I think it might be real . Is that ED SINGING ? .....Alex has really got Bill Ward's drum fills down with his own variants too if it is him. Is that MARK STONE doing Geezer's stuff on bass ? ....It would be really interesting to hear Tony, Bill & Geezer's opinion on this. In the clubs later as Van Halen they used to turn stuff like 'Get Down Tonight' by K.C & the Sunshine Band into BLACK SABBATH Versions & renditions...lol
Yes. Ed singing!
It's Ed. Just listen to his son Wolfgang when
Wolf VanHalen sings his Mammoth W.V.H. song
Called Don't Back Down
As Wolf is Singing Don't Back Down Wolfie's
Voice sounds Identical to Ed as Ed is Singing
War Pigs on this recording here on this Video.
It's Definitely Edward Ludwig VanHalen Singing.
@@DavidNeumeier-wp2oc Actually I think Wolf has got a much BETTER voice that Ed had really...That's pretty obvious if you hear him in both the studio & in live stuff on RUclips. I believe his DAD would have been the first to admit that Wolf has a better voice.
man, they were very good, even at that age. Alex was cold kickin it, Eddie's great (although was hoping to hear some tapping, but maybe he wasn't doing that yet....someone correct me if they know otherwise) and Stone's a real good bass player.
Eddie didn't refine tapping until around 1977.
@@hollylewis5302 thanks!
Yeah Eddie didn’t start tapping until right before the first album was recorded. Even on the original Warner Bros. demo that was done in February 1977, he wasn’t tapping yet.
@@BANONEGuitar cool to know, thanks!
Sounds like EVH the riffs are obviously Iommi derived. Good mimicry...Mark Stone on bass...AVH on drums...solid.
Eddie Van Halen, lead guitar/vocals; Mark Stone, bass guitar; Alex Van Halen, drums.
It Definitely sounds like Ed singing here
On his son Wolfgang song when Wolf is singing his song called Don't Back Down. Wolf's 2021 song
If you listen closely Wolf VanHalen's voice when
Wolf is singing Don't Back Down sounds almost
Identical To his Dad Eddie Van Halen as
Ed sings War Pigs in this Audio clip video here.
I saw these 3 at a kegger in LBC.
Interesting.
alex was only 1 year older than me and eddie was only 1 year younger when this was filmed. makes me feel like a failure lmao
I'm hearing it as another garage band. Having a good day.. A thing maybe why is, the sound quality. I had friends that sounded like this. And people would say the same thing. They're awesome. But compare this sound to pro recording quality, and the difference stands there. And, a basic is, it might be labeled VH , but is it. Only after the singer shuts up, and we're into the final portion does it sound just about professional in skills. ( still not in sound quality). Whoever it was. without confirming, I'd it's guys having a good session.
Who was singing lead.
Alex drumming ,❤
Is there any way of verifying authentication? I feel this isn’t them. Reason being is that people always said how the VH brothers replicated the songs with unreal accuracy and I don’t hear it here.
And the guitarist here is competent but pedestrian compared to other early Van Halen tapes I’ve heard.
Of course it’s 1972 so who knows.
I’m definitely not a collector of early Van Halen recordings or bootlegs so I definitely could be wrong.
All I can tell you, trust me if you want, I had it confirmed by a trusted inside source. I 100% believe it's real.
@@TheTapesArchive I trust you Alan. It’s cool to see an early snapshot of the bands progression. The VH brother’s definitely put in the work to eventually reach their god-like status.
@@guskalogeros9021 I agree you should question it though. All I can say is my person said it's real, I believe him. And the fact the first time it went up it got taken down. So grab it while you can. :)
"some people said something...LOL"
If you are a millennial then you do t know shiet. Who the fuk cares what millennials believe anyways. Sorry ass generation indeed.
Doesn't particularly sound like VH. But who knows. Hard to say from one song. Don't know the provenance of the recording beyond the description.
I had it confirmed by someone who knows, it's real.
@@TheTapesArchive Kudos. Its interesting. Thanks for sharing.
It is Mammoth, not Van Halen.
Who's singing, Mike Stone??
it's Eddie. Mike Stone never sang that's why they got rid of him for Michael Anthony who did sing and then some.
i would like the video but it currently has 666 likes, and this being a sabbath cover, is at its highest point
Im not overly impressed by this at all ,not sure what everybody else is hearing but any ragtag bunch of teenagers should easily be able to handle this song and solos and sound just as good, if this is indeed Eddie and Alex they both jumped leaps and bounds in the next year or two, especially Eddie because the drums werre hard hitting ala Alex , but a nice snapshot from the past to show they were human afterall
Sounds legit to me. But what would I know, only been listening to Van Halen for 45 years.
You are not alone. Dweezil Zappa agrees with you.
It’s funny because Ed is not playing the solos or the riffs note-for-note. He played Clapton note-for-note, but not this. He sounds great, but he’s playing a lot of stuff that isn’t correct to the original version from the ‘Paranoid’ album, unlike the Cream stuff which is 99.999% exactly like the records.
It's called improvising. Try it sometime. 😁
@@chriskroll4166 That’s not true improvisation. That’s just not knowing how to play the song and doing your best to make it through.
@@AllenGarberGuitarFun you don't play the guitar so you would know. Right over your head. 😝
@@chriskroll4166 I’ve been playing guitar for over 40 years with special emphasis on studying and transcribing Van Halen. I’m the most recent guest on Dweezil Zappa’s Van Halen podcast ‘Runnin’ With the Dweezil’ and I’m very familiar with Eddie’s playing as a whole.
@@AllenGarberGuitarFun with forty years of playing under your belt you would think that you would know anything about improvisation but obviously you don't. You probably just spend your time transcribing other people's material and never do your own thing. In other words you paint by numbers and never on an open canvas like a real artist. So much you have missed over the years. 🤡
Whos not singing?
Edward
*_"...Patrick Meehan, suggested the new title "War Pigs," which better reflected the song's anti-war message and was less likely to cause controversy."_*
NO.
The lyrics were also changed quickly to _create_ an anti-war message instead of the apparently pro-Satanistic message of the original. Hence the lazy rhyming of
_"...gathered in their masses"_ with
_"...witches at Black Masses."_
The original was:
_"Witches gather at black masses_
_Bodies burning in red ashes"_
You can find the original _"Walpurgis"_ on RUclips.
{:o:O:}
_(Edited for tyops)_
Found it! That's a very fair call-out. TBH I added that text from Chat-GPT and never proofed it. I really didn't think anyone read past the first couple of lines. So I added the rest purely for the algorithm. I should have proofed it. Leson learned. Thank you for the correction. 🤘
I still have no clue why your comments got deleted and I have added zero key words to look out for.
@@TheTapesArchive
Nice!
*_" I added that text from Chat-GPT and never proofed it. I really didn't think anyone read past the first couple of lines."_*
Ah, the perils of AI! I was a Sabbath fan long before a Van Halen fan, so I read it all! I was 10 years old in 1972!
The song was originally about Walpurgisnacht and has some quite hairy imagery. It's kind of a little sad that War Pigs was the after thought, for record company reasons, as it was a great song in itself.
{:o:O:}
Is Eddie singing here?
Yep
Alex is putting that little hihat shuffle in the wrong spot, too late. but thats his way.
Ed always thought he was a better singer than he was. This was the source of friction with Mike, as he always got most of the credit for backing vocals. Mike was a better singer, but the sad truth that Ed, apparently, never understood was that it was the way their voices blended that made the backing tracks so good. Wolf is a good singer too, but the harmonies with his dad didn't compare to Mike and Ed's. Many do not know that Alex had to insist that Ed stop singing lead and they should get a frontman. VH was special because of dynamics - between Ed and Al, Al and Mike, Ed and Mike's harmonies, Dave's voice over Ed's guitar, Dave's lyrics to Ed's music, and on and on. Much of that disappeared, or at least changed, when Dave left. Long Love The Mighty.
Incredible lead work, doesnt sound like eddie
Im saying it doesnt even sound like Eddie , its a complement. @@Scotty_Russell_Music