it does get mine... i actually played the King's Gambit when I realized that I really like the so-called Mason-Keres variation (2...exf4 3.Nc3). And then I thought hey, why not play Nc3 first. And actually I have gotten interested in the Jobava-London where you also play 2.Nc3. Very underrated move, this 2.Nc3 :)
I had three ancestors in the family who fought for the Austro-Hungarian army in the First World War; however, I grew up in Italy as an Italian... and therefore I prevented my nostalgic grandfather from whistling the "Radetzky March"😂👍
As a Vienna enjoyer, I was delighted by the lecture and learned quite a lot. I usually like to play either the Gambit or just go into a Vienna Hybrid, gonna look into some of these other stuff. It's refreshing to see someone talk positively about the Vienna. The general sensus seems to be, if it's not popular it's bad, cause if it was good it would be popular. It reminds me of a lecture that you made about the Scotch, where noone was playing it until Kasparov started demolishing everyone with it. So it really might be a fashion thing, until then, Im happy staying under the radar. If anything, in my opinion (which is worth nothing) the Vienna could be seen as a great opening for beginners because of the lack of theory. You actually have to learn to play the game instead of just relying on theory.
I enjoyed this a lot. You touch upon some interesting ideas that I think often get overlooked, specifically the idea of "fashion" in terms of openings chosen by top GMs being different from the "objective truth" of an opening. I think it would be interesting to hear your own personal thoughts on openings/lines that are underplayed relative to their ... quality? (objectively they are good, but they get played far less than perhaps they should type thing). That's sort of one message of this lecture, but it's specific to the Vienna. I'm sure it's not the only one.
A couple years ago I gained about 300 rating points online with the 3. bc4 variation. I'm pretty low rated so I found it very common to either see people over extend trying to target the bishop or I'd have time to f4, nf3, and castle. If you can set that up, you can get a really nice king side attack. Would recommend at low ratings.
@@thenoblegnuwildebeest3625 convincing is the wrong word. Didnt get into a school in austria, got voted leader in Germany. Clearly different standards.
Because it's vicious if black doesn't know how to play against it, which 90%+ time they don't. The best move is played only 7% of the time at lower and middle levels.
Idk, this is a pretty strange statement from Ben imo. F4 is very strong in response to 2. Nf6, but less so in that line, though it definitely leads to a gambit-y type position.
I play those lines as well. I think he didn't cover it because those aren't "true" Viennas and usually will go into Vienna-Berlin Hybrids (with moves like d3 and/or f4 and some point)
My friend also really likes playing that, he actually switched to the bishops opening because you can easily transpose, but you also have the option of not comitting Nc3. You could try it out too if you want
But you know that when the truth is told That you can get what you want or you can just get old You're gonna kick off before you even get halfway through, ooh When will you realize Vienna waits for you?
Are they real books made from paper from a tree that once grew on earth then filled with taughts from a human put into words made from real letters 👀 but not the kind that need stamps ?
Chess players are always sad. If you lose you're sad because you probably blundered, if you draw you're sad because you could have won, and if you win because you could have won quicker.
Yes, finally!! The Vienna needs more love ❤
my thoughts exactly
it does get mine... i actually played the King's Gambit when I realized that I really like the so-called Mason-Keres variation (2...exf4 3.Nc3). And then I thought hey, why not play Nc3 first. And actually I have gotten interested in the Jobava-London where you also play 2.Nc3. Very underrated move, this 2.Nc3 :)
Shhhh! ;)
@@howardgraff4084 😂😂😂
Thanks!
Finally Ben mentioned Australia!
As an Austrian, I too am happy that it was mentioned.
@@michaelgraflmusic 6 Austrians pressed thumbs up in this video
I@@michaelgraflmusicI too am from Germany. G'day mate!
I had three ancestors in the family who fought for the Austro-Hungarian army in the First World War; however, I grew up in Italy as an Italian... and therefore I prevented my nostalgic grandfather from whistling the "Radetzky March"😂👍
heeey how nice, another opening lecture by my favourite GM Ben Finegold, plus it's about my favourite 1.e4 opening with White :)
Nigel is a legend! Thanks for the video Christian ❤
As a Vienna enjoyer, I was delighted by the lecture and learned quite a lot. I usually like to play either the Gambit or just go into a Vienna Hybrid, gonna look into some of these other stuff.
It's refreshing to see someone talk positively about the Vienna. The general sensus seems to be, if it's not popular it's bad, cause if it was good it would be popular. It reminds me of a lecture that you made about the Scotch, where noone was playing it until Kasparov started demolishing everyone with it.
So it really might be a fashion thing, until then, Im happy staying under the radar. If anything, in my opinion (which is worth nothing) the Vienna could be seen as a great opening for beginners because of the lack of theory. You actually have to learn to play the game instead of just relying on theory.
Good Lecture, and very good choice of games. In French it is called Partie Viennoise and une viennoise is also a pastry.
42:02 is now my favorite Ben line of all time.
Thanks to the person who sponsored. Really nice.
d3 may be the third best move but it’s definitely the most fun.
I enjoyed this a lot. You touch upon some interesting ideas that I think often get overlooked, specifically the idea of "fashion" in terms of openings chosen by top GMs being different from the "objective truth" of an opening. I think it would be interesting to hear your own personal thoughts on openings/lines that are underplayed relative to their ... quality? (objectively they are good, but they get played far less than perhaps they should type thing). That's sort of one message of this lecture, but it's specific to the Vienna. I'm sure it's not the only one.
Thanks Ben. A very good lecture that is worth more than one viewing. (BTW, you forgot to mention that I'm not Ben Finegold.)
A couple years ago I gained about 300 rating points online with the 3. bc4 variation.
I'm pretty low rated so I found it very common to either see people over extend trying to target the bishop or I'd have time to f4, nf3, and castle. If you can set that up, you can get a really nice king side attack. Would recommend at low ratings.
The Austrian's greatest trick has been convincing the world that Hitler was German and Beethoven was Viennese.
Anybody who isn´t American knows this is not true
Wasn't that Mozart (who was German by birth)?
Mozart wurde im Fürsterzbistum Salzburg geboren, das erst nach den napoleonischen Kriegen nach Österreich kam.
@@thenoblegnuwildebeest3625 convincing is the wrong word. Didnt get into a school in austria, got voted leader in Germany. Clearly different standards.
Beethoven is not Vietnamese u clown u unejyoukaded fool
This is important for me because I play the Vienna 99% of the time I open--but my understanding of the theory is garbage.
This is taking way too long and is the reason why they banned 2-way-coms because people can press their eyes right up against the LCD.
33:43 in the Dracula Frankenstein "12...h6 to stop 13.Bg5" - not the only obvious move for Black.
I was hoping to see how the sausage is made.
This is how to study chess properly.
Eric Schiller's Wikipedia article is one hell of a read. FWIW I knew him slightly, and he was nice to me the few times we interacted.
I can hear the sadness in Ben’s voice
Very cool games Ben!
44:52 Why do you almost always play f4? The engine evaluates it at -0.6, while alternatives like Bc4 or Nf3 are evaluated at +0.3.
Because it's vicious if black doesn't know how to play against it, which 90%+ time they don't. The best move is played only 7% of the time at lower and middle levels.
Idk, this is a pretty strange statement from Ben imo. F4 is very strong in response to 2. Nf6, but less so in that line, though it definitely leads to a gambit-y type position.
My favorite GMs opening GothamChess
As a Vienna player myself I love Bc4 after Nc6. I'm surprised you didn't cover it.
I play those lines as well. I think he didn't cover it because those aren't "true" Viennas and usually will go into Vienna-Berlin Hybrids (with moves like d3 and/or f4 and some point)
My friend also really likes playing that, he actually switched to the bishops opening because you can easily transpose, but you also have the option of not comitting Nc3. You could try it out too if you want
"Maybe my lecture was boring, so you were doing something else" Was the first thing I heard for at least 45 seconds... ironic.
There are fun lines where the Vienna transposes to the Nc3 (??) Kings Gambit Accepted… 😳🤣
Should it be Jonathan Harker?
Frankenstein-Dracula ?? Gad damn!
such a tricky opening
“ he had pieces and now he doesn’t 😂😂😂”
I suspect the person that updated the wiki article had watched a few of Levy's videos and presumed he knew everything.
I think Kortchnoi played it against Karpov. Not sure.
But you know that when the truth is told
That you can get what you want or you can just get old
You're gonna kick off before you even get halfway through, ooh
When will you realize Vienna waits for you?
Hello from Oklahoma! Did not expect the shout out in this video. 😅
i got cooked against a vienna at a club tournament yesterday so i guess it is good for club players. ben is right again
We want Karen to give a lecture.
41:50 best part LOL
I just learned the Vienna and checkmated a real GM. I was using Stockfish though. I kid, I kid. I never learned the Vienna.
17:11 This is not winning for white as Be3, Bg3 and Rg1+, Kf3, Rxg3 and Kxe2 draws... so he just lost on time and did not find the move.
Was half expecting obvious sattorov joke
Nakamura literally doesn't care 😂😂😂
(15:36)
Are they real books made from paper from a tree that once grew on earth then filled with taughts from a human put into words made from real letters 👀 but not the kind that need stamps ?
I meet the vienna with 2. B to b4
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Go Christian! But stay here!
You know you can edit Wikipedia articles, right?
Toronto Eh.... Did you find a Vegan Poutine?? That would have shown Nepomniachtchi who's boss...
Debashis gets bashed in this video
Looks like you losing weight and looking good… nice job.
Third😂
First
These comments are always funny, except for one thing...
why do you always look so sad
Chess players are always sad. If you lose you're sad because you probably blundered, if you draw you're sad because you could have won, and if you win because you could have won quicker.
Yes, finally!! The Vienna needs more love ❤
I meet the vienna with 2. B to b4
You don't mind Nd5? Gains a tempo and allows the queenside pawns to expand while harassing your bishop. Also Qg4 might be annoying.