That's because V6's tend to sound like a pair of 3-cylinders rather than a true 6-cylinder engine. Combine that with an MGU-H and you've got a dreadful sounding engine.
@@6lemans10lol, mentioning Group A as if it somehow compares to the others stated, is like saying water is basically the same as whisky. Sit down. 😂🤦♂️
F1's greatest flaw isn't that the engines are all turbocharged, it's that they're nowhere near as varied and buck-wild as the 80's motors were. Granted, these things ran on paint thinner and had single-use engines, but as tools to inspire awe they're almost without equal in F1 history, IMHO.
😂en 2021 de seguro nunca te quejaste del sonido de la F1 actual.... jaja.. cuando te aburrís viendo las carreras y los campeonatos empezas a mirar otras cosas y a criticarlas.... hace 11 años estan los v6 turbo hubrido ya podrían ustedes dejar de quejarse van 11 años como que ya aburren con lo mismo ustedes...y mas sabiendo que los motores ruidosos no volverán aceptenlo de una vez por todas.
@@Piper_PA I Know, yes , Because i have 1.4 liter PSA 8v engine with reliable 334 Hp , and this PSA overbored block has reached over 700 Hp , so i still have more than 50 % reserve 🙂
@@benpeltola1364 They were Western. They did have an air-cooled rivalry with East Germany's IFA back then. Both brands were dominant in the firefighting scene.
I well remember the turbo charged era of the 1980s. I went to my first GP F1 in 1984 on my hometown of Montreal an went every year and the sound of those engines were beautiful. But what a beating on the eardrums! Once F1 returned to normally aspirated engines in 1989 they really screamed and I mean SCREAMED !
And that is what was part of the sport. I never watched a race live but as I started watching F1 from 1998 on, it was great to hear that engines scream over the TV.
So glad I'm old (for once) and got to attend my first GP at Brands Hatch in 1983 🙂. Got to hear (and see) the real Turbo cards, V10 (my personal favourite), screaming V8 (had to wear earplugs for the first time), but then haven't bothered since the hybrid era. These days drivers seem to spend more time on the radio moaning than actually driving the cars.! Give them 1000+ BHP, masses of turbo lag, a manual gearbox, limited aero all in a car about as strong as a baked beans can, I'm sure that would focus their minds🥴 😂
F1 engines get smaller and yet the cars continue to get larger. Go back to the size from the 1980's or 1990's.......when passing was actually a possibility.
We could adopt right now the Formula Nippon rules and their 4 banger turbos add whatever bs to it and active suspension and abs (to stop or avoid accidents costing money) and boom F1 is back
Conditions were like rain driving and the true manual gearbox caused most accidents......not chassis length. You have no idea WTF you're talking about. Safety has nothing to do with it.
To remove aids the way they did was like putting a 70's car in the hand of electric car driver. Bound to accident. Slow transition was needed after many years that way. $, $ Bernie was there! Plus Newey admitted the fw16 was a failure, corrections by German GP made it driveable
Forget the V10 or the V8, I’m pretty sure if the weight gets figured out then I kinda hope the FIA could allow I4Ts to run alongside the V6s. That’s kind of a pipe dream at this point tho
My favourite Formula 1 team back in the 80s, I lived 1 mile away from the Toleman factory on Station Lane in Witney and would see piles of used tyres ready to be taken away by a garbage truck. Then they became Benetton before Renault bought them out and moved to Enstone. Sadly because Toleman had no money, the cars hardly ever finished a race but I think Senna and Warwick both got a few points, amazing to think Brian Hart's Holset turbos competed against global engine makers like Ford and Honda.....................that's a real sounding engine not like the sewing machines we hear today😅
This car is a good snapshot of post-ground effect formula 1. The, er, extensive rear wing assembly and diffuser fairing (you saw a lot of this in 83/84) was due to the huge loss in downforce the flat bottom created. Before the flat underside aero was better understood, the only option was to stack wing on the things. History repeated itself a decade later (God I feel old) when, post Imola, the diffuser was cut (literally) back to the rear axle, with only the center section going further aft. Cars sprouted the weird little ear wings and kickups in front of the rear wheel. Frank Dernie always said the root of the problem was going to flat bottoms in the first place - they should have kept ground effect.
I have stopped watching F1 and going to races since the vacuum cleaner engine generation has been introduced. If they bring back cars with real engines, I will be back 😉
Зря они гоняют этот экспонат по таким дорожкам. Лучше вообще его не трогать,.берегите его и храните под стеклом в идеальных условиях. Эти зверские машины не подчиняются современным пилотам-слабакам, которые не знают, зачем нужна третья педаль и как переключать передачи в dogbox. Лучше позовите Жаки Иккса и прежложите еиу проехать на такой машине в Сан-Марино.
E pôde até saindo mais não saiu não entrou olhar esse foi tinha motor do os de hoje em dia viu nota 💯 1000 mil cavvalos a mais do que os dê hoje viu não e brincadeira 😃😜 não não era moleza não nem tão fácil foi muito difícil do que hoje nota 💯 valeu parabéns 👏🙌👐🤲🤛👍👍👍👍👍👍🤲🤜🤛🖐️ carro.muito bom mesmo viu show de bola 🙂🙂
Neat old racecars, but Goodwood sucks...These cars are capable of 180-200 mph but Goodwood is so slow! The aero doesn't even start working right till 150 mph.
Bro if you try to push this type of cars you better be hella good if you don't want to die. I don't think everyone who buy old F1 cars are also F1 pilots level...
![Formula 1 TURBO Era | 800HP Toleman-Hart TG183B [TECH TALK]](/img/1.gif)
when even the 4 cylinder sounds better then the 6 cylinder vacuum cleaners
well this engine was build for max power, not efficiency in mind
@@naufalkusumah2192 u dont say
That's because V6's tend to sound like a pair of 3-cylinders rather than a true 6-cylinder engine. Combine that with an MGU-H and you've got a dreadful sounding engine.
@@Evil-La-Poopa I was just saying that the modern V6T engine is so well built for efficiency that's why it sounds rather boring compared to this
Yep I agree, v6 engines have an odd sound to them.
80s turbo era was nuts with those turbos: F1, Group C, Group B.
Group A
@@6lemans10lol, mentioning Group A as if it somehow compares to the others stated, is like saying water is basically the same as whisky. Sit down. 😂🤦♂️
@@tom6493 Does the R32 Nissan Skyline ring a bell? Sit down.
Nooo
This is what F1 is missing. Love this generation of F1.
Aparecío el tipico comentario cliché 😴😴😴....
Exactly, Aaammmeeennn !!! ! !!! 😀
@@elpatolucas22deja a la gente disfrutar de lo que le gusta, ortiba
Yes, violent and on the edge 😁
@@elpatolucas22He's not wrong though
Brian Hart, a genius and a dreamer. I so miss those days. Everything was just better.
Truly
Miss those days ?? Where did you find decent clothes ?
F1's greatest flaw isn't that the engines are all turbocharged, it's that they're nowhere near as varied and buck-wild as the 80's motors were.
Granted, these things ran on paint thinner and had single-use engines, but as tools to inspire awe they're almost without equal in F1 history, IMHO.
nope turbos are not the problem. the rest of the bullshit is. also the main problem is the size of the things imo.
😂en 2021 de seguro nunca te quejaste del sonido de la F1 actual.... jaja.. cuando te aburrís viendo las carreras y los campeonatos empezas a mirar otras cosas y a criticarlas.... hace 11 años estan los v6 turbo hubrido ya podrían ustedes dejar de quejarse van 11 años como que ya aburren con lo mismo ustedes...y mas sabiendo que los motores ruidosos no volverán aceptenlo de una vez por todas.
Yeah Buck wild is a great descriptor for those 80s engines 🤣 almost everything had 1000+ hp back then
@@elpatolucas22 иди смотреть Формулу-Е
When turbos hit boost in the 80s, they H I T B O O S T
Rip Brian hart
Ted Toleman passed away a few weeks back too. A lot of Senna's old cars are getting shown again since its been 30 years since his death.
Those cars were tuned to almost 60 psi of boost during qualify back in the 80s. That’s crazy
Exactly, and today some turbo drag cars are also boosting such pressures.
@@bustjanzupan1074on a 1.5 liter 4 cylinder engine it goes to show how well designed those engines were.
@@Piper_PA I Know, yes , Because i have 1.4 liter PSA 8v engine with reliable 334 Hp , and this PSA overbored block has reached over 700 Hp , so i still have more than 50 % reserve 🙂
I believe they welded the head down.
It's awesome
That is one of the best 4 cylinders I’ve heard
Ah yes, the engine witout a cylinder head ! (its fused with the block to prevent head lift on heavy boost)
Interesting
Huh!? How!?
@leuchtrakete7093 hardly insane, Offenhauser had been doing the same thing for years before that.
So no head??
@@asianmanfromasia It's part of the block
Watching Turbo era F1 motors blow up was part of the attraction and was almost as entertaining as a Ferrari pit stop.
Ferrari pit stops in that era were definitely dramatic at times 😅
The fact that former Deutz Trucks turned Iveco fire truck division Magirus was a sponsor on the rear wing and side panels is kind of nuts.
They were East German, no?
@@benpeltola1364 They were Western. They did have an air-cooled rivalry with East Germany's IFA back then. Both brands were dominant in the firefighting scene.
this is music for me😍
the 80's. when absolutely everything was awesome
EVERYTHING... except shoulder pads... 😂
@@jimbooo1365 perhaps not but I didn't notice at the time. maybe they were needed to balance the 2 foot wide hairdo's
@@matthewheffernan3877😂
and nothing was predictable. every race anything could happen and did !
@@theorenhobart yep drivers lost or won championships in the last race of the season . it rained and someone won who had no chance.
I well remember the turbo charged era of the 1980s. I went to my first GP F1 in 1984 on my hometown of Montreal an went every year and the sound of those engines were beautiful. But what a beating on the eardrums! Once F1 returned to normally aspirated engines in 1989 they really screamed and I mean SCREAMED !
And that is what was part of the sport. I never watched a race live but as I started watching F1 from 1998 on, it was great to hear that engines scream over the TV.
Altro che motore ibrido/elettrico, questo è il sound che ogni appassionato di motori vuole sentire e non le zanzare elettriche su quattro ruote!
Remember seeing that car live at the F1 GP Hockenheim. I loved the Brabham BMW with Piquet 👌
3.0L V10 was peak in my humble opinion, Hakkinen Schumacher days 👌🏼
Cute.
what a wicked machine
All I can say is V10 what an amazing experience and sound!!!!
The dual rear spoiler is a vibe 🔥🔥
The 80s were something, they really were.
Damn firecrackers getting in the way of the engine sound
There is actually 3 seperate cars here a white #19, a blue #19 and a blue #35
So glad I'm old (for once) and got to attend my first GP at Brands Hatch in 1983 🙂. Got to hear (and see) the real Turbo cards, V10 (my personal favourite), screaming V8 (had to wear earplugs for the first time), but then haven't bothered since the hybrid era. These days drivers seem to spend more time on the radio moaning than actually driving the cars.!
Give them 1000+ BHP, masses of turbo lag, a manual gearbox, limited aero all in a car about as strong as a baked beans can, I'm sure that would focus their minds🥴 😂
1.5! That’s just plain crazy! ❤️
So do you run 6 BAR of boost, 8 BAR or 9 BAR?
Driver: "YES!"
I recall 5.5bar being the highest boost, about 80 PSI
F1 engines get smaller and yet the cars continue to get larger. Go back to the size from the 1980's or 1990's.......when passing was actually a possibility.
🤔👏👏
We could adopt right now the Formula Nippon rules and their 4 banger turbos add whatever bs to it and active suspension and abs (to stop or avoid accidents costing money) and boom F1 is back
Dawg what. There are more passes in F1 now than ever.
It's all for safety dude 80's cars got ppl killed
Conditions were like rain driving and the true manual gearbox caused most accidents......not chassis length. You have no idea WTF you're talking about. Safety has nothing to do with it.
Is this the car used when Senna nearly won Monaco in a Tolman?!
Why can't modern f1 cars sound like this
Mgu-h i think🫤
Because the today's people have become softened, and Blind Dumb evil deadsouls.
Fuel flow restrictions...
Senna was right, electronics killed this sport
He died the year they took the electronics away.
To remove aids the way they did was like putting a 70's car in the hand of electric car driver. Bound to accident. Slow transition was needed after many years that way. $, $ Bernie was there!
Plus Newey admitted the fw16 was a failure, corrections by German GP made it driveable
Senna ❤
Senna forever 😢
That’s a nasty sounding Hayabusa engine!
Forget the V10 or the V8, I’m pretty sure if the weight gets figured out then I kinda hope the FIA could allow I4Ts to run alongside the V6s. That’s kind of a pipe dream at this point tho
i hope i get there one day.. what a show..!
My favourite Formula 1 team back in the 80s, I lived 1 mile away from the Toleman factory on Station Lane in Witney and would see piles of used tyres ready to be taken away by a garbage truck. Then they became Benetton before Renault bought them out and moved to Enstone. Sadly because Toleman had no money, the cars hardly ever finished a race but I think Senna and Warwick both got a few points, amazing to think Brian Hart's Holset turbos competed against global engine makers like Ford and Honda.....................that's a real sounding engine not like the sewing machines we hear today😅
Man that’s turbo lag had to be insane
"is tomorrow!"
This car is a good snapshot of post-ground effect formula 1. The, er, extensive rear wing assembly and diffuser fairing (you saw a lot of this in 83/84) was due to the huge loss in downforce the flat bottom created. Before the flat underside aero was better understood, the only option was to stack wing on the things.
History repeated itself a decade later (God I feel old) when, post Imola, the diffuser was cut (literally) back to the rear axle, with only the center section going further aft. Cars sprouted the weird little ear wings and kickups in front of the rear wheel. Frank Dernie always said the root of the problem was going to flat bottoms in the first place - they should have kept ground effect.
Bring back Turbo era!
Senna number 19 saw that car with Senna driving at Long Beach.
Magnificent
I think Senna drove #19 in 1984? Anyway, the sound/fury is amazing. It seems that we went backwards somehow....
Several of these sound more like fireworks displays than they do F1 cars.
When I did the rev and let coast thing I blew the muffler off my CVCC.
It certainly sounds a lot more than the title says that it’s 11 rpm - It sounds like it’s thousands of Revs per minute?
The number of people that don't understand the meaning of insane is insane.
Bro, that engine looks a lot like that 4A GE by toyota
Senna's first F1 ride.
I believe the head and block were one single unit.
Sounds nice, but doesn’t have the famous F1 scream.
Por qué no es un V10 bruh
1990 v10s are good but this is also good
These beasts were plenty loud and aggressive sounding. I saw them in person and they were more than a little scary
This got me touching it 😭
Senna's 1st F1 drive....
The backfires sound a lot like anti-lag🤔
You didn’t hear any backfires, they were afterfires.
Care to learn the difference?
all motors are tuned for max RPM timing, at idle F1 2500rpm they stall and pop....THEN they go to 14000RPM = wide range
Are there people seriously standing around with no ear protection????!? What the heck?!?
Don't be soft, get yer head in it!
Soa melhor que os F1 atual
Sweet!
Hart engine.❤😎
F1 doesn't necessarily need v10s or v12s screaming @ 20000rpm. Even this 4 banger turbo will do...
4 cylinder has always sounded better than v6s
yes but nothing beats the sound of a v12
meh R35 GTR’s sound fantastic
that was Sennas first car I think.
the 19 was his early season '84 car. The 35 was Derek Warwicks '83 car.
When F1 sounded as it should.
i think its the first Senna.s F1 car
Imagine having this engine in your pinto
Basher of turbo-engines where are you 😂?
Doesn't say much for the sound of a 2024 V6 turbo, when a four pot at similar RPM sounds much better....
Turbo civic owners be like
Even F2 have flames, just a little spit would help the dreadful modern F1 cars....
Horse power ??????
They have climbed to 750 Hp as i have just checked now.
they should make F1 just build retro cars like this, better racing. modernretro. 90% mechanical grip.
over 1200hp BMW is what you have here.
Masses of power and boost but without the electronics to tame it and make it boring.
Gives me a little 4G63 vibes.
I have stopped watching F1 and going to races since the vacuum cleaner engine generation has been introduced. If they bring back cars with real engines, I will be back 😉
😍😍🤯
How much money will I be spending to aquire a strong RUNNING 1983 1.5L turbo 4 Cyl engine AND GEARBOX from an F1 Car?
i would say about sound that when an engine has high rpm it sounds better that low rpm; take a 4 cyl sport motorbike, a nascar v8 whatever it is;
anybody say you need more than 1.5L
they are on crack
Exactly !!! ! !!! Aaamennn !!! ! !!!
Unless you don’t want a laggy turbo, that’s the only way these are viable in such small displacements.
Sounds embarrassing 🤘🏴☠️
Cocaine is a hell of a drug
De que marca son los formula 1
Зря они гоняют этот экспонат по таким дорожкам. Лучше вообще его не трогать,.берегите его и храните под стеклом в идеальных условиях.
Эти зверские машины не подчиняются современным пилотам-слабакам, которые не знают, зачем нужна третья педаль и как переключать передачи в dogbox. Лучше позовите Жаки Иккса и прежложите еиу проехать на такой машине в Сан-Марино.
Eh. My R6 spins to 17,000.
If only modern F1 sounded like this. Now it's a joke.
E pôde até saindo mais não saiu não entrou olhar esse foi tinha motor do os de hoje em dia viu nota 💯 1000 mil cavvalos a mais do que os dê hoje viu não e brincadeira 😃😜 não não era moleza não nem tão fácil foi muito difícil do que hoje nota 💯 valeu parabéns 👏🙌👐🤲🤛👍👍👍👍👍👍🤲🤜🤛🖐️ carro.muito bom mesmo viu show de bola 🙂🙂
Neat old racecars, but Goodwood sucks...These cars are capable of 180-200 mph but Goodwood is so slow! The aero doesn't even start working right till 150 mph.
Well, without Goodwood we'd have far less videos like this, so I wouldn't say it sucks
Speed kills , yes , but, if it is tooo short, it is too short, ofcourse, but, still better than Nothing.
the aero works well below 150
Bro if you try to push this type of cars you better be hella good if you don't want to die. I don't think everyone who buy old F1 cars are also F1 pilots level...
Goodwood is not about speed, it's more about showing the fans the cars and bikes, not sure why you make such a ridiculous comment. 🙄
No, it doesn't sound "insane". Insane isn't a sound, it's an adjective. Have a think for a better word.
Wow. I bet you’re fun at parties
@@jockojockoson9995 Childish, mate, but you used the apostrophe, so not all bad. 😉
I love the car and the displacement but can it not have an exhaust that looks better than an elephant’s trunk?
This thing sounds like sh!t IMHO
The backfires sound a lot like anti-lag🤔