I know this tragedy happened a few years ago, a guy from my small hometown in Tennessee was killed in that incident. There was a ceremony the other day to honor him so this tragedy is still having a ripple effect
My good friend Jessica Klemchuck was killed in that shooting in Vegas. We miss her every day. And it sickens me that a major company. MGM got away with pennies as a settlement. The families got nothing. Amd the lawyer walked away with 100 million.
You never hear anyone who could be considered and expert on guns, such as a manufacturer, a gunsmith, or collector, agree with any of those clueless hacks who just want to make laws about things they don't understand. They literally have no experts to back up their assertions. They are talking out their asses and the ignorant masses don't know any better. It's a damn shame they get to spread so much misinformation with hardly anyone to counter their arguments.
@@mathewkelly9968 we have half of the guns in the world. There is more guns here than people, so please tell me how we dont know about guns. Plus the majority of guns are made here
@@kasedunn3895 you guys certainly don't know about managing them. Switserland has more guns than people also and you don't hear shooting incidents every day there.
Shilly waters haha, over most of their heads. Shill Shamelessly, the owners friend! And stop saying cringy people, it's getting insane. I recommend Individuation, look into it.
They forgot to mention how assault rifles were helpful to Koreans during Rodney King riots. Anything from a flood to a blackout could turn your town/city into a horror movie. I say you should have as many as you wish.
Within the first 40 seconds dude addresses the biggest fear from this. I said it myself this morning that you know somewhere out there, some pyscho is getting off on this and saying they can do better and media encourages it. At what point do you just say this is awful across the board and just stop comparing.
Maybe if media refused to name suspect,they couldn't make his name go down in infamy,which is what he wants, he is out there ,stroking his gun right now.
whatidontknowis staggering excatly. They put up Tally's of recent n past shooters like "hey let's talk about these horrible people and figure out how this one fits in" n and by doing so all these people who would have never left a single mark in the grand scope of history are remembered.
I don't see how anyone wouldn't feel uneasy about it at that point. The more I see these shootings in the universities/colleges the more I second guess wanting to persue that until they implement some sort of security in one way or the other.
@@joeslacker1020 to make this matter even worse is Mandalay Bay had another incident where someone was trying to smuggle a gun in there is no safety especially for those of us who live here there is slot of gun violence on the strip which makes hard for to enjoy our own city. I have masive amounts of pics and videos that show the true meaning of our beautiful city
My good friend Jessica Klemchuck was killed in that shooting. She left behind 5 kids. Was just married the day before. And they moved the monument dedicated to the victims far from the scene. Pretty disgusting. And I urge everyone to stay as far from that poison city. It's only about greed.
I honestly can't believe anyone stays there. You have literally hundreds of hotel options in the Vegas area, why would you stay at the place where a guy massacred 60 people.
It certainly makes it easier. I was just saying, not required. Plus it's just a stock. Doesn't exactly require a masters in engineering or rocket science to make one.
Metal detectors to enter hotel's turn into bio-scans to enter banks or buy food. Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security deserve neither and lose both ~ Benjamin Franklin.
Ben was NOT wrong. Seriously? He was absolutely right. If you want to give up your liberty for security you dont just not deserve either... you're just a dipshit
I'm curious about this as well. I really want to see the video surveillance of him toting all those weapons to his room. Even if he broke them all down and re-assembled them in his room, that woulda required numerous trips, with either a bunch of suit cases, or making several trips with the same luggage.
I'm curious how many times you've had your luggage searched and gone through a metal detector when checking into a hotel. Please share these hotels so I can avoid them like the plague!
He was a "High Roller/Spender" at the hotel and when you get to that status you get VIP treatment. Most of his bags were brought up through a different elevator than the public. There's a documentary on Amazon Video called "What happened In Vegas" that explains a lot of it.
Jason Mckenzie How about the Mini-14? Functions the exact same as an M16, but it is never brought up in conversation. It's a varmint rifle, same as an AR-15.
Andrew McKenna the idea of the 2nd Amendment is that we possess the same firepower as the government. The reason for this, is the fact that the British government attempted to completely disarm Colonial citizens because, they knew a revolution was coming. Technically, we control the military but, the government has citizens fooled into thinking it is an arm of government so, that’s out the window as far as defense against a tyrannical government.
I think the whole "let's regulate guns like we do cars" argument is voided by the fact that possessing a gun is a constitutional right, having a car is not so regulating them in a similar way makes a lot less sense that it sounds.
And regardless of how anyone feels about that idea, guns are already WAY more restricted than cars are. You can drive alone at a younger age than you can be in possession of a gun. There are not huge categories of cars that are banned from the public from being able to own like there are with multiple categories of firearm and even entire categories of accessories that are banned (this is not the same as saying that some cars are not allowed on public streets, you can still own and drive ANY car you want on private property). There ARE places that you do not need to pass a test to prove you can handle a firearm so that is less restrictive than owning a car in these places in that regard, but you still need to pass a background check which is FAR more restrictive that owning or driving a car and FAR more restrictive than any other requirements to own or drive a car. Oh and if you are talking about private property then technically you can give your 6 year old child a semi and let them drive it all over the yard and be absolutely legal. You can even make the semi as road illegal as possible (cut off all emissions and disable any safety systems) and it is still perfectly legal as long as you don't go onto a public roadway where it THEN becomes illegal. Guns have nearly 25,000 laws on the books in this country. Even including all of the driving laws and regulations for public roadways there isn't even close to as much restriction. Anyone who thinks gun ownership and usage is less restrictive than driving has no clue what they are talking about. The two aren't even sort of close to comparable. Literally every human alive can go out and buy and drive a car and not break 1 law until they start driving on public streets, then the restrictions are that you are 16, not blind, and pass a basic test. That is it. They aren't even remotely close to the same as the restrictions for gun ownership.
"possessing a gun is a constitutional right.." THIS is the main problem you have in america. You need to cut that shit out and get into the 21st century. It doesn`t work that way anymore. Living in a country with almost NO gun voilence. The reason for this is that we have laws to protect us from people owning guns.
@@sigen7053 "Get into the 21st century" spoken by someone ignoring all facts and logic and instead just using the most primitive part of your brain to form your opinions. Nearly the vast majority of this county's murder problem (per capita) is focused in only 5 cities, and even in those cities it is mostly in concentrated areas. Take away those 5 cities and the USA ranks 3rd best for lowest gun murders (per capita). The majority of the countries with the worst gun violence are ones with some of the most strict gun laws. There has been exactly ZERO studies or legit research of any kind to show that increased gun control leads to any decrease in homicide rates. Exactly zero. And you want to completely throw out one of the core parts that the builders of this country thought were essential all because of something with zero legit proof that your fairy-tale is even kind of true. People on tv started telling you to believe despite zero evidence and you just go all in? How is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Oh right, emotions.
You can't just "walk into a store and buy these weapons." You gotta pass background checks and even if you happen to pass you could still be denied at the shop if they think you're suspicious.
I live in Georgia, in order to purchase a gun you have to show ID, gun permit excetera, so I'm not sure what you guys mean. I know it sounds like a tired argument, but it's a true argument, if you ban guns bad guys will still have them and good guys will not stand a chance. This is one man, who used illegal guns. That shouldn't affect the rest of us. They should ascertain the big guns... The ones that can mow down people like this guy had, but they will not stop there they will go after all guns. Trouble times we live in. I love Joe Rogan's fucking podcast.
Jason Mcateer you guys keep saying that oh well the good guys with the guns how many good guys with guns stopped some of your mass shootings zzzzeeerrroooooo lol your problem is civillians are allowed to purchase 40 some odd high powered weapons n can buy modifications fot them like the bumpfire stock used in this event legally lol this guy was not a criminal he was legally able to mow down 59 + people with fully automatic weapons
I'm a gun owner, I have multiple guns, but I don't understand why people would be against universal background checks and closing the gun show loophole. Why are people against that?
For years and years it’s been a thing in Vegas that you can bring what ever the hell you wanted to into your hotel room. It’s part of the charm of Vegas.
"Aint nobody gonna break into yo broke ass house" Tell that to a guy i knew personally who was executed in his house in front of his new born daughter. He was not wealthy by any means. Matter of fact, every robbery i have ever heard of, the victim has been low to middle class. It was an interesting conversation up until the asinine statement at the end.
Agreed. I know someone as well who was almost killed by robber and he's not rich. My friend had ar 15 tho which gave him the stronger fire power helped him survive.
The fact that you both know people killed by robbers goes to show how fucked up your country is. The average robber breaks into a home with a gun? That's a very American thing. Glad I don't live in that shithole of a country
"Good guy shoots bad guy never happens..." Self defense shootings happen all the time. Active shooters are not often shot by civilians because active shootings are not often.
Me and my GF are both Canadians and we would like to say ''God bless the USA, our thoughts and prayers are with the victims'' All Canadians are behind you and willing and able to help any way we can .
Tragic event, but my take as a non-American is slightly jaded and cynical. When I heard about it I wasn't the least bit shocked or surprised. Disgusted, but not surprised at all. And it will happen again, soon. And when it does I will again be disgusted, but neither shocked nor surprised. RIP to those killed, and best wishes to any and all who have been affected by this awful event.
11:20 I've seen a lot of mental health issues coming out of broken families. There is nothing normal about the dad sleeping around, or being abusive etc. Kids growing up in such an environment can get really messed up and develop serious psychological issues, even if they seem just normal in their adult life. There is nothing more important than a stable marriage where the parents provide a good moral foundation for their kids.
Rich guy gambles his fortune away, rich guy refuses to take accountability, rich guy is now a poor guy with a shitload of guns! MOTIVE in the mind of a tightly wound former accountant! All those cameras in Vegas, so little footage?????
The funny thing is that the exact state you mentioned (Florida) in the example of the toddler shooting themselves has a requirement for taking and passing a safety course and range test before getting a gun permit. Just goes to show that even though you think these are good ideas you can't fix stupid and irresponsibility.
Stacey E You're missing the point, pretty much every gun control idea these guys mentioned are already in place. Most pro-gun people are fine with talking about gun control but it's annoying when we have to bring up that all the idea's you're proposing are already in place.
"No one is invading your broke, average American home. Maybe if you were a drug dealer..." Sx offender and addict burglaries happen all the time. It's not just gangs fighting.
I love it when someone tries to say you can’t hunt with a Military style gun. Take a Ruger 1022, brand new it has a wood stock. Buy a polymer stock, and it’s suddenly a Military style weapon. So... does the color, or material that makes up the stock make it a “Military Style “ weapon?
THE GUNS WERE LEGAL. Semi-auto weapons equipped with Slide ?Fire "bump stocks". New invention available since 2010. They are not considered automatic because he used bump fire stocks. you can order them online right now if they were not sold out because of the shooting raising awareness of their existence. bump fire stocks have been available for anybody to buy at gunshops and online since 2010. they cost $100-$400. You can own an equivelant of a machine gun for $1200 including the ar-15 itself that you attach the slide fire "bump stock" to. HERE IS A VIDEO. ruclips.net/video/I6BFarrICWs/видео.html HER IS A LINK TO BUY ONE FOR $250: www.gunbroker.com/item/705511652 Show less REPLY
If you do research there are sketchy things that don't add up. But don't even consider looking at it logically and objectively if things make sense. Listen to the exact story the media tells you and have an emotional impulsive rejection response to someone for even considering questioning anything about the event.
All of these weapons were illegal- False You shouldn't be able to just walk in and buy firearms like this- False, doesn't work like that These guns were converted over to full auto- False, he used bump stocks that you don't even need to be 18 to buy Full auto weapons are illegal everywhere- False, it requires a class 3 tax stamp which, if you even know what that is, they are difficult to obtain The big problem is the gun show loophole- False, gun shows do the same background testing as any firearm or sporting goods store will Firearms need to be treated and regulated the same as cars- True and False, firearms are tied to the original purchaser but its only a paper trail throughout secondhand purchase. In most states, you are required to take a safety course to purchase a firearm. Cars are more regulated than firearms and they kill an exponential amount of more people per year. The "good guy" shooting a "bad guy" doesn't happen very often- False, according to the CDC, there are between 500,000 and 3,000,000 lives saved every year in America with firearms. People buy a firearm and are not equipped to use it defensively- True, in my state, you are only required to have a background check and get fingerprinted to obtain a CWP. When I renewed mine last time, there was a young girl getting hers who didn't look as if she had ever fired a weapon in her life and I couldn't imagine them knowing what to do if the time arose. Very little truth to what was stated but also a lot of "facts" from someone who has no info about firearms but plenty of opinions and false info.
I was just cringing everytime that dude spoke. He has no idea what he’s talking about. I’ll always be annoyed by people that don’t own guns, but try to put words into gun owners mouths. “We’ll I don’t any but my buddy-“ nobody cares. You don’t know what you’re talking about
I think Alonzo doesn't realize just how common semi-automatic weapons are. He said something along the lines of "Don't tell me you are using a semi-automatic weapon for hunting.", I grew up in rural Nebraska and semi-automatic weapons were used for hunting just as much as bolt actions and repeaters. Not so much for deer hunting but coyotes, raccoons, fox and other fur bearers were almost always taken with semi-automatic weapons.
Hasu definitely not. There are limitations placed on the government. The whole purpose of the Second Amendment is to give our other rights proverbial teeth so that they can be enforced lethally if necessary.
Fail. It would prevent all the things he said it would prevent. This particular incident was not included in that. But you know that right, being intelligent an' all?
Here in Maryland I had to take a 16 hr Gun Safety Course. I also had to do a field day where I had to demonstrate safe gun handling as well as the ability shoot down range. As well as take a written test. Once I went to buy a gun I then had to get federal background check before hand. So in my opinion, there are checks and balances in place for buying a gun. We can make laws until we're blue in the face. but bad people are going to always be able to get their hands on guns no matter what laws are in place.
Especially if someone has a completely clean record before hand and something switched which is what it looks like from this guy Steve but I could be wrong.
That’s ridiculous u had to do all that. I buy firearms every year and I do the background check and take my firearm home. I was raised in a family that always had firearms and my dad taught me to shoot before I was ten.
The problem is, "some people just want to watch the world burn." And there's really not much you can do about it, unless you can control the way people interact with each other. You can't control parents abusing their children, you can't control people from getting into altercations, you can't control people from being born mentally ill and it all boils down to: this shit is going to happen and has always happened throughout Human history/future. Unfortunately, there is no solution.
Dude I know this comment is from five years ago, and you are totally right about mental health be the most difficult to control the effects , but yeah you can do something about it, difficult their access to guns, I’m a psychologist and trust me when I say, difficulting their access to weapons is the better short and long term solution, that’s what Austrália did, and as specialist in mental health not in gun owning.
ItsStyla I used to think the same, but then I realized it wouldn’t have been possible because he opened fire through the door at the security officer. Security officer was still conscious and breathing, communicating with the police until they arrived. He would have stated he saw an additional suspect(s) leave the room. Now I know a lot of hotel room have interconnecting hotel rooms, but none of that information has been brought to the table. There was a video a guest who had the same exact room a year prior. It did not show that type of arrangement with connecting rooms.
thatcuriousguy becuase it says I'm a rich men who has done everything except kill poor people. So before I die I'm taking some of these sorry poor fucks with me. This is why its not being shown, since it would start the Reformation of alot of laws and it might be the end of crony capitalism.
Yeah, they should've brought in fukking Asam Ali Hassad and his terror-gangsters! On your side bro! High five! Ps; Don't forget, 9/11 was a hologram and Stalin was the reincarnation of Jet Lee.
+Leo D No that's not the problem. Alonzo Bodden just misinformed A LOT of people because of his ignorance. If you're going to be pro gun control at least know gun laws and about guns in general otherwise you fuck things up for everyone else. I'm glad Joe was checking and correcting him on things, but I honestly would've just changed the subject because Alonzo had no idea what was he was talking about. I mean they're talking about changing laws and they aren't experts on guns? What kind of sense does that make? How do you solve a problem when you know nothing about the subject? In the end you only fuck things up even more.
that makes no sense to me,,,why do I need to know a lot about guns to agree that they should be kept track of as well as cars? that's not a gun knowledge thing, that's about keeping track of weapons now, can I ask why that's a bad idea? liability insurance? isn't a gun a better weapon than a car? I can at least hear a car or see it coming, I hear a shot, it's too late and I can't see a bullet and run out of the way how about this: is a gun a better weapon than a dog? cause I have to buy liability insurance for my pit bull
even though I disagree with him not owning guns doesnt mean you have to shut up or not have an opinion you jerk. Imagine how many topics in the world you could shut down debate on by claiming "well you dont own it or use it so shut up". COnsidering so many things such as guns can effect and destroy peoples lives who dont own them EVERYONE is allowed to have an opinion about them. Jack ass!
Here's what I have to say, I hope you read this Joe, I'm schizophrenic, previously psychotic and in Australia I get a lot of help and our government puts a big emphasis on mental health, there was a time where I was bad enough that if I had access to guns like America, I WOULD have killed one or many people! But the help I got through the system brought me back to life and "normality" and now I'm light years from that head space. Mental health is the real issue, but the amount of people in Australia compared to the US is crazy so I don't know what you could do to start some mental health program, but my theory is the more people the more help that can be offered right? I just want to testify that government led mental health programs and medicine can change lives for the better, and thanks for having non biased discussions about these topics. Mental health is the issue, but guns make the situation dramatically worse.
Better not say that you'll get labelled a paranoid "Conspiracy Nut" who wears tin foiled hats. A shame you can't even slightly question things now without being labled what I just said.
1: By far most mass shootings are done by handguns 2: 3% of all gun deaths are done by ALL rifles, far less by semi auto rifles. 3: Gun deaths in America have been steadily going down steady for the last 20 years. While at the same time the number of guns increases.
#1 Maybe so, but it is the rest of the shootings that take lives in 2 digits #2 We are talking about all guns in general for this discussion. Lets make the legal work a bit more thorough for the bad guys to be able to take advantage of it #3 is a blatant lie. For any industrialized nation, we are losing far too many people to gun violence, and more so than before.
I disagree with you Mr. Bodden. The gun laws we have already make fully automatic guns illegal. There is no such thing as the gun show loophole. For a private gun sale, you become a felon if you knowingly sell a gun to a prohibited person. Check the ID and permits of the person you're selling/buying from first. There are already laws in place in most states that require training before carrying a handgun. It's not a free for all in most states. Also, to your point about why we need semi automatic magazine fed military style rifles; it's to defend ourselves and others we love from violent criminals who are already willing to break the law. These people are dangerous, and I need every tool possible to ensure the safety of my loved ones. Thank you for sharing your opinion, even if we disagree. Have a nice day.
hhwhitewolf009 I'm not sure what you mean. How is there a gun show loophole? If you buy or sell a firearm from a felon, then you become a felon. Here in Minnesota, you can't buy or sell handguns without a permit to purchase. You can sell/buy non-military style long guns without a permit at age 18, but everybody I've ever done business with has asked to see a valid permit to purchase before conducting the transaction. I've also had multiple people tell me "they lost their permit, but it's all good I'm legal." It's always a scam. Cops are patrolling the websites and gun shows looking for people that make those illegal transactions, and arrest they're sorry asses. So, if you could, elaborate on your point please?
Every person has been victimised by society in some way. Some people are so full of rage and hate that they choose to get revenge. This isn't that hard to comprehend.
Rule made by whom? By this metric, most leaders have violated the 1st “commandment”. Murder is fine when done in mass numbers. Just ask Bush. Then ask God to pray for Merica.😂
"Aint nobody invading your house if you're an average american with a 2 bedroom in the suburbs" This is not an argument. Part of the reason nobody is likely going to invade their house, and the part of the reason that these houses in the suburbs usually don't even have a fence, is because of the second amendment. I've heard way too much of that happening in Europe and it's happened to my own family. Plus, the whole idea here is that you being able to safeguard your family is an inalienable right.
All I can say as an example of a someone who grew up in a European country (Ireland). I grew up in a suburb, we didn't have a gun or even lock our door and we were never burgalled in 22 Years. I can only give my own anecdote. I think using Europe as an example of lack of stability or safety is a bad comparison given the statistics also.
Conor Mahon I grew up in Greece. Lived in a suburb of Athens. Burglars broke down our door early in the morning with my dad in the house. They left as soon as they saw my dad but what does that matter? Pieces of shit could have had a gun and an in a moment like that who knows what could have happened. Herd similar stories all the time. We have a steel fence and a large door with many locks.
I am saying we don't have the second amendment or a fence and we were fine. I'm saying the gun or the fence don't protect you but nobody having any guns except for organised gangs and special police units does help. Because gangs don't break into ordinary people's homes.
Kostas1601 this is actually a perfect example. In America, your dad would have had a gun and so would the intruder. Someone would be dead or permanently messed up. Thank God in Greece there are less guns. I would rather lose my door than kill another man even if he was a piece of shit.
Can’t kind a coincidental right 2016 Trump wins the election by a landslide 2017 you have a Democrat net job go to a patriot country concert it was premeditated and I’ll tell you right now we saw what happened that night yeah we’re not just want shoes they were two or three because they were shooting from different areas you can’t tell me this guy was running from one room to across the other room within two minutes and they were several people at the concert saying that there were so much shooting from the ground and all of a sudden he’s individuals disappear within one year gonna tell me this is not a cover-up it was definitely a terrorist attack from within
So we should have a test before we are able to buy a gun similar to a drivers test? How much do you want to bet that the Vegas shooter would have easily passed that test? The guy knew how to modify his guns. He had optics, bipods, and your favorite, slam-fire stocks. An aptitude test will definitely not prevent events like this from happening. This is an absolutely stupid argument. Any individual that grew up with guns in the family would pass that test regardless if he had mental issues or not. You can also develop mental issues later on in life, long after you have passed your "test." What you really are asking for is a Minority Report society. I hope you rethink this issue because I used to really enjoy your podcasts.
Because if you limit a shooters ability to cause mass damage in a short amount of time, you limit their ability to kill. The victims have more time to escape and you reduce the numbers of deaths. I think we all know that sick, evil people exist and there is no law outside of banning all guns, rounding them all up, melting them all down, etc... literally all of them, and vigilantly making sure that any gun that pops up is removed. But that's ludicrous. There's no way we could pull that off and I don't really want to live in that society. But if we can at least inhibit a person's ability to mod legal weapons into illegal weapons, we can reduce the damage which is at least something. I'm not a gun control expert but surely doing something like that mixed with some money in mental health would go a long way in saving lives. There's no way we could've stopped this attack but it's possible it could have been minimized. That's my my opinion though, who knows.
I understand what you're saying. What if guns were completely banned? The guy could have applied as a bus driver and driven a bus full of people off of a bridge, killing himself and all of the people on board. I just don't see how banning guns or gun components will solve the problem.
I just want to point out that this guy had a pilots license. I'm pretty sure someone like him with a nearly perfect criminal record and mental health record could have gotten any gun he wanted. Especially considering he was fucking filthy rich. Money is power and money can get you just about anything.
This guy had absolutely no idea what he was talking about 50% of the time he opened his mouth lol. He should've just been quiet and let Joe walk through it
Not to mention he makes it seem like it's just a cool collectible. Unfortunately in America they're a necessity for defense in some situations, when you're less equipped then your enemy or those wanting to hurt you, you will often lose aka die
I'm not anti gun but how can that be true when the M16 and it's derivatives were literally adapted from the AR15 what's the effective difference between an appropriately equipped AR and an M4?
I've been thinking about this the last few years as this is happening more and more. I think it's kind of weird that we always just assume that people are not going to try and hurt us. We get into a taxi because it's yellow and the light is on, but there is nothing stopping that cab driver from killing, kidnapping, or sexually assaulting us. Just because they have a picture on the dash that says their name does not mean we are safe. Just because a cop has a badge on does not mean they are a good person. Just because the restaurant got an A+ on their health check doesn't mean you won't get poisoned by the chef when he has a nervous breakdown because his wife slept with his cousin, and slips some bleach into the orange sauce. Even before we had guns people did not just immediately trust that you have good intentions. People are an enigma, and until we have insight into an individuals thoughts we'll never be truly 100% safe. But how much freedom should we sacrifice for safety? There is risk in everything you do, every day. Life is about weighing risk vs. reward, if we stop going to concerts, the terrorists win. I think it's too easy to get a drivers license, a car is a tool, but a tool can be a weapon too. We definitely need some change, and no solution is going to be 100% effective. But if we just do something we may see some change, anything is better than nothing. We talk about this every time it happens, yet nothing ever changes.
B GerK I would assume Rogan knows most federal and state laws regarding guns considering he has a permit and owns a gun. How familiar are you with gun laws?
"This is exactly the time to talk about gun control" "These weapons were illegal in the first place" Thanks for proving the point of _why_ it was too soon to talk about it. The facts weren't all in. Now we know the weapons _were_ legal, so now we actually have something to consider for regulation. Before we had the facts, we didn't. "Do you have to be like, political to be considered a terrorist?" YES! YOU DO! Again why having facts is important to having a productive conversation about a complicated issue. Alonzo explains how he would use a gun registry to round up illegal guns. Then thinks his friend who doesn't was a registry is crazy because the government isn't coming for his guns. WHAT?!?!
An unbelievable horrible event.... but the info below just blew my mind... wtf? Artist : Robbie Williams. Track : Me and my Monkey. *(Excerpt from lyrics)* We made tracks to The Mandalay Bay Hotel, Me and my monkey With a dream and a gun I'm hoping my monkey don't point that gun at anyone. We got the elevator, I hit the 33rd floor We had a room up top with the panoramic views like nothing you'd ever seen before. Me and my monkey, Don't point that gun at anyone, Me and my monkey, Like Billy The Kid, Trying to understand why he did what he did. We went to play black-jack, kept hitting twenty three, (There's more, google it)
Victor Savo So you are saying that modern weapons shouldn't be banned because the second amendment didn't specify the details and damage caused by modern weapons?
Dorje Dradul Are you comparing the damage caused by knives and guns? So a guy with a butcher knife could walk into a concert and kill 59 people and injure 527? One is a hell of a lot easier.
+mhotl Gun control legislation does not eliminate gun violence deaths, but as a matter of fact, it reduces gun violence deaths. My Life, Liberty, and persute of happiness "trumps" your fantasy of being a wanna-be pseudo soldier.
You get in your car in the morning and head to work. Some teenager starts texting, wrecks into you and now you're not going home. It's totally random. The messed up thing is anyone can buy a smartphone these days.
This by NO means citizens should be refrained from owning guns to protect themselves;you should be able to. It is a right! But how are you gonna stop maniacs from doing shit like this. You simply can't stop people from doing shit like this. It is virtually impossible. Still does't make it right to take away our civil liberties which are built upon this great country.
because gun laws stop gun violence... such an ignorant approach. So we start making laws to make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to buy a firearm.
Why do ignorant people always try to conflate guns with cars? First off, I have a constitutional right to own a gun...I dont have a constitutional right to own a car. 2nd, why do i have to register a gun with the govt...that to me is an immense invasion of privacy. Third, having to take classes? And what about the people who cant afford it? it is against the law to put an undue burden on people to exercise their right...if its undue to make someone get a fucking ID to vote, its undue to make people attend classes to own a gun
You know Eddie Bravo is high right now browsing youtube for conspiracies on this Las Vegas shooter.
I'd rather hear what Bravo has to say on this topic than these two
go to 4chan /pol/ if you seek the truth during these situations
explain why you hear two rifles at same time in every video? open your fucking eyes.
I hope so....
Well considering he had 2 hands... lol he could definitely fire 2 rifles at the same time
I know this tragedy happened a few years ago, a guy from my small hometown in Tennessee was killed in that incident. There was a ceremony the other day to honor him so this tragedy is still having a ripple effect
Damn..
My good friend Jessica Klemchuck was killed in that shooting in Vegas. We miss her every day. And it sickens me that a major company. MGM got away with pennies as a settlement. The families got nothing. Amd the lawyer walked away with 100 million.
Vegas is a poison. Amd nobody should go.
How do you find the strength to keep moving on? You're the real hero
Uour ftom Big Sandy
It's amazing how its so frequently the people who are utterly clueless about guns that have such strong opinions on how they should be regulated.
You never hear anyone who could be considered and expert on guns, such as a manufacturer, a gunsmith, or collector, agree with any of those clueless hacks who just want to make laws about things they don't understand. They literally have no experts to back up their assertions. They are talking out their asses and the ignorant masses don't know any better. It's a damn shame they get to spread so much misinformation with hardly anyone to counter their arguments.
Tyus Hales all Americans have no idea about guns
@@mathewkelly9968 Elaborate
@@mathewkelly9968 we have half of the guns in the world. There is more guns here than people, so please tell me how we dont know about guns. Plus the majority of guns are made here
@@kasedunn3895 you guys certainly don't know about managing them. Switserland has more guns than people also and you don't hear shooting incidents every day there.
This whole situation is so mysterious it's like an all-you-can-eat buffet for conspiracy theorists.
Just add this to the list of things our government won't let us know the truth about: 9/11, JFK, J6, etc.
I wonder if Eddie Bravo thinks this was a Hoax?
i dunno why but i laughed when i read this comment
slaughtermouth11 haha 100 percent next show he's on he'll be saying it was an inside job
Aaron I wanna see him alex jones and Joey Diaz go on a 4 hour rant podcast
Staged by cnn per their gun agenda. Alex jones called this months ago. Wake the fuck up people.
Aaron I've noticed more and more conspiracy enthusiasts taking these events more seriously. At least it's progress.
$100 that guy bringing trans guys in his room was Dwight Howard
The only comment that mattered
Wow
Wheres the "HELLO FREAK BITCHES" ?!?
"Hello Freak Bitches" half mast for the day
I think he knows he leaves the freak bitches behind when he swims in the shilly waters
think he left it off out of respect for the topic they're discussing
or how gay it sounded.
Shilly waters haha, over most of their heads. Shill Shamelessly, the owners friend! And stop saying cringy people, it's getting insane. I recommend Individuation, look into it.
They forgot to mention how assault rifles were helpful to Koreans during Rodney King riots. Anything from a flood to a blackout could turn your town/city into a horror movie. I say you should have as many as you wish.
shhhh! they want us to think ar-15s are for white 18 year old domestic terrorists.
Yup.
Because laws dont stop criminals
Within the first 40 seconds dude addresses the biggest fear from this. I said it myself this morning that you know somewhere out there, some pyscho is getting off on this and saying they can do better and media encourages it. At what point do you just say this is awful across the board and just stop comparing.
Mr407Mike He is advocating the right to bear arms. Relax.
GainedSalmon 3 man... I'm sorry but yer an idiot. How would having a gun stop people from getting shot by a guy from the 32nd floor?
Maybe if media refused to name suspect,they couldn't make his name go down in infamy,which is what he wants, he is out there ,stroking his gun right now.
whatidontknowis staggering excatly. They put up Tally's of recent n past shooters like "hey let's talk about these horrible people and figure out how this one fits in" n and by doing so all these people who would have never left a single mark in the grand scope of history are remembered.
GainedSalmon 3 how was someone who was armed at that concert supposed to defend themself when no one knew where the shots were coming from?
I like how he just laughed off the 3.7 million home burglaries perpetrated in the USA in 2016.
we need to hear eddie bravos take on this!
No need for flat gun theory.
Soylent Green!
No we don't!
I saw the video of the shooting... looks like cgi to me.
They got rid of Eddie because he is real and Joe has sold out to the big banks. He wants to drag us all along this fake narrative like the MSM
Having lived here for 37 yrs I have never feared going anywhere in our city but cannot bring myself to go back to the Mandalay Bay
I don't see how anyone wouldn't feel uneasy about it at that point. The more I see these shootings in the universities/colleges the more I second guess wanting to persue that until they implement some sort of security in one way or the other.
@@joeslacker1020 to make this matter even worse is Mandalay Bay had another incident where someone was trying to smuggle a gun in there is no safety especially for those of us who live here there is slot of gun violence on the strip which makes hard for to enjoy our own city. I have masive amounts of pics and videos that show the true meaning of our beautiful city
My good friend Jessica Klemchuck was killed in that shooting. She left behind 5 kids. Was just married the day before. And they moved the monument dedicated to the victims far from the scene. Pretty disgusting. And I urge everyone to stay as far from that poison city. It's only about greed.
I honestly can't believe anyone stays there. You have literally hundreds of hotel options in the Vegas area, why would you stay at the place where a guy massacred 60 people.
You don't need a bump fire stock to bump fire a weapon.
Shh... Anti-Gun Morons think they are doing something.
It is easier on the shoulder. :)
j3m1f8
;-)
It certainly makes it easier. I was just saying, not required. Plus it's just a stock. Doesn't exactly require a masters in engineering or rocket science to make one.
Cool. Then you won't miss it when it's gone.
Metal detectors to enter hotel's turn into bio-scans to enter banks or buy food. Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security deserve neither and lose both ~ Benjamin Franklin.
They would have said this. "Oh, enjoying some target practice this week, Mr. Paddock?"
Damn, how did Benjamin Franklin knew what metal detectors were before they were invented??
What if Ol Ben was wrong🤔
Corrrrrrect!!!
Ben was NOT wrong. Seriously? He was absolutely right. If you want to give up your liberty for security you dont just not deserve either... you're just a dipshit
Seriously ... how does a "non-gun-nut" get 10 full autos up to his hotel room with nobody noticing?
they're saying he may have used golf bags, or simply had parts that he assembled in the hotel room
I'm curious about this as well. I really want to see the video surveillance of him toting all those weapons to his room. Even if he broke them all down and re-assembled them in his room, that woulda required numerous trips, with either a bunch of suit cases, or making several trips with the same luggage.
I'm curious how many times you've had your luggage searched and gone through a metal detector when checking into a hotel. Please share these hotels so I can avoid them like the plague!
He was a "High Roller/Spender" at the hotel and when you get to that status you get VIP treatment. Most of his bags were brought up through a different elevator than the public. There's a documentary on Amazon Video called "What happened In Vegas" that explains a lot of it.
I like how rogan addressed people waching in the future hes so awsome
Military-style is a buzz word. It's either a military gun or not. An AR-15 is not a military gun.
Hollywierd celebrities know that, altough they pretend they don't.
ar-15 looks like an m-16, not a Marlin hunting rifle
Jason Mckenzie How about the Mini-14? Functions the exact same as an M16, but it is never brought up in conversation. It's a varmint rifle, same as an AR-15.
Nobody needs the amount of firepower currently available in the US
The 2nd amendment was written when you were using muskets
Andrew McKenna the idea of the 2nd Amendment is that we possess the same firepower as the government. The reason for this, is the fact that the British government attempted to completely disarm Colonial citizens because, they knew a revolution was coming. Technically, we control the military but, the government has citizens fooled into thinking it is an arm of government so, that’s out the window as far as defense against a tyrannical government.
I think the whole "let's regulate guns like we do cars" argument is voided by the fact that possessing a gun is a constitutional right, having a car is not so regulating them in a similar way makes a lot less sense that it sounds.
And regardless of how anyone feels about that idea, guns are already WAY more restricted than cars are. You can drive alone at a younger age than you can be in possession of a gun. There are not huge categories of cars that are banned from the public from being able to own like there are with multiple categories of firearm and even entire categories of accessories that are banned (this is not the same as saying that some cars are not allowed on public streets, you can still own and drive ANY car you want on private property). There ARE places that you do not need to pass a test to prove you can handle a firearm so that is less restrictive than owning a car in these places in that regard, but you still need to pass a background check which is FAR more restrictive that owning or driving a car and FAR more restrictive than any other requirements to own or drive a car. Oh and if you are talking about private property then technically you can give your 6 year old child a semi and let them drive it all over the yard and be absolutely legal. You can even make the semi as road illegal as possible (cut off all emissions and disable any safety systems) and it is still perfectly legal as long as you don't go onto a public roadway where it THEN becomes illegal. Guns have nearly 25,000 laws on the books in this country. Even including all of the driving laws and regulations for public roadways there isn't even close to as much restriction.
Anyone who thinks gun ownership and usage is less restrictive than driving has no clue what they are talking about. The two aren't even sort of close to comparable. Literally every human alive can go out and buy and drive a car and not break 1 law until they start driving on public streets, then the restrictions are that you are 16, not blind, and pass a basic test. That is it. They aren't even remotely close to the same as the restrictions for gun ownership.
"possessing a gun is a constitutional right.." THIS is the main problem you have in america. You need to cut that shit out and get into the 21st century. It doesn`t work that way anymore. Living in a country with almost NO gun voilence. The reason for this is that we have laws to protect us from people owning guns.
@@sigen7053 "Get into the 21st century" spoken by someone ignoring all facts and logic and instead just using the most primitive part of your brain to form your opinions.
Nearly the vast majority of this county's murder problem (per capita) is focused in only 5 cities, and even in those cities it is mostly in concentrated areas. Take away those 5 cities and the USA ranks 3rd best for lowest gun murders (per capita). The majority of the countries with the worst gun violence are ones with some of the most strict gun laws. There has been exactly ZERO studies or legit research of any kind to show that increased gun control leads to any decrease in homicide rates. Exactly zero. And you want to completely throw out one of the core parts that the builders of this country thought were essential all because of something with zero legit proof that your fairy-tale is even kind of true. People on tv started telling you to believe despite zero evidence and you just go all in? How is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Oh right, emotions.
Mirder is already illegal
The 2nd amendments not for hunting, it's for a tyrannical government which you want to give more power to by more control and regulations.
Ppl are SO naive and stupid and pussyfied today smh.......... I just don't know anymore.
You realize your government has Predator missiles at their disposal right?
naxel37 the US has the most tyrannical government in the developed world , time use your rights big mouth
The government could sell you the same weapons they have and you would still be out gunned because you can't afford them
You can't just "walk into a store and buy these weapons." You gotta pass background checks and even if you happen to pass you could still be denied at the shop if they think you're suspicious.
no that thing will get abused and we're gonna start seeing a lot of bias and racism
I live in Georgia, in order to purchase a gun you have to show ID, gun permit excetera, so I'm not sure what you guys mean. I know it sounds like a tired argument, but it's a true argument, if you ban guns bad guys will still have them and good guys will not stand a chance. This is one man, who used illegal guns. That shouldn't affect the rest of us. They should ascertain the big guns... The ones that can mow down people like this guy had, but they will not stop there they will go after all guns. Trouble times we live in. I love Joe Rogan's fucking podcast.
Jason Mcateer you guys keep saying that oh well the good guys with the guns how many good guys with guns stopped some of your mass shootings zzzzeeerrroooooo lol your problem is civillians are allowed to purchase 40 some odd high powered weapons n can buy modifications fot them like the bumpfire stock used in this event legally lol this guy was not a criminal he was legally able to mow down 59 + people with fully automatic weapons
Where were all the good guys with guns?
Alonzo sure had it right when he said he wasn't an expert.
14:13
IT ALREADY WORKS THAT WAY! EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID, ALREADY EXIST!
They said the majority of the misconceptions about guns. Low information voters.
well said
When someone says common sense gun control I immediately quit listening.
Right, like, what's common sense gun laws? We already have gun laws, and I don't know that any of them are common sense.
Agreed. Especially when they use the qualifier "what I like to call" common sense...
Kevin Odom Well that’s productive.
@@TheBakedsalmon its only "common sense' when they get to define the terms :\ hence the issue.
I'm a gun owner, I have multiple guns, but I don't understand why people would be against universal background checks and closing the gun show loophole. Why are people against that?
For years and years it’s been a thing in Vegas that you can bring what ever the hell you wanted to into your hotel room. It’s part of the charm of Vegas.
@14:05 Alonzo wishes for the exact type of gun regulation that already exists. XD Somebody be a brother and gift that guy a gun.
The way that guy explains “how gun regulations should be” is exactly how it is
Joe rogan needs to interview corey feldman
Alonzo Bodden is always calm and thoughtful. Great work.
"Aint nobody gonna break into yo broke ass house" Tell that to a guy i knew personally who was executed in his house in front of his new born daughter. He was not wealthy by any means. Matter of fact, every robbery i have ever heard of, the victim has been low to middle class. It was an interesting conversation up until the asinine statement at the end.
Agreed. I know someone as well who was almost killed by robber and he's not rich. My friend had ar 15 tho which gave him the stronger fire power helped him survive.
The fact that you both know people killed by robbers goes to show how fucked up your country is. The average robber breaks into a home with a gun? That's a very American thing. Glad I don't live in that shithole of a country
You can't just walk into a store & buy these weapons! This so called guy didn't do this alone! Smfh
Everything he had was legal
"Good guy shoots bad guy never happens..."
Self defense shootings happen all the time. Active shooters are not often shot by civilians because active shootings are not often.
And because the news doesn’t care to cover good guys defense shootings
How about have Jason Aldean's take on this...
Me and my GF are both Canadians and we would like to say ''God bless the USA, our thoughts and prayers are with the victims'' All Canadians are behind you and willing and able to help any way we can .
im american and Napoleon was french, so id just like to say "papa johns is the best pizza available".
bullet proof windows.. every hotel in Vegas
I'm game, as long as it's not just an excuse to have a higher tax rate for the citizens that will be dumped into private businesses.
He blew the windows out with a hammer
He used a hammer. Having bullet proof or unbreakable windows is a serious fire safety risk that would result in many more deaths.
You telling me I can't be John Wick, JOE?!
Tragic event, but my take as a non-American is slightly jaded and cynical. When I heard about it I wasn't the least bit shocked or surprised. Disgusted, but not surprised at all. And it will happen again, soon. And when it does I will again be disgusted, but neither shocked nor surprised. RIP to those killed, and best wishes to any and all who have been affected by this awful event.
Can't wait for edgy bravo to talk about this shit with Joe
11:20 I've seen a lot of mental health issues coming out of broken families. There is nothing normal about the dad sleeping around, or being abusive etc. Kids growing up in such an environment can get really messed up and develop serious psychological issues, even if they seem just normal in their adult life. There is nothing more important than a stable marriage where the parents provide a good moral foundation for their kids.
Rich guy gambles his fortune away, rich guy refuses to take accountability, rich guy is now a poor guy with a shitload of guns! MOTIVE in the mind of a tightly wound former accountant!
All those cameras in Vegas, so little footage?????
Aimsmall CQ damn! I didn’t think about it like that. You might be on to something.
@@dontundra2259 ..Kinda weird I know, but it was my first thought when it happened.
The principal of "Occam's Razor"
Aimsmall CQ the only thing worse than being a poor guy is being a poor guy after you were a rich guy!
@@dontundra2259 ...The shooter may agree, if he was alive!
If guns were illegal, it would be a pressure cooker in the middle. Boston....HELLLOOOOOO????
that was a sad day..
Joe: “These guns were all illegal”
Black Guy: “Okay so yeah... Make legal guns harder to get”
The funny thing is that the exact state you mentioned (Florida) in the example of the toddler shooting themselves has a requirement for taking and passing a safety course and range test before getting a gun permit. Just goes to show that even though you think these are good ideas you can't fix stupid and irresponsibility.
Gun control law to NOT eliminate gun violence. They absolutely reduce it. And that is the point.
Stacey E You're missing the point, pretty much every gun control idea these guys mentioned are already in place. Most pro-gun people are fine with talking about gun control but it's annoying when we have to bring up that all the idea's you're proposing are already in place.
"No one is invading your broke, average American home. Maybe if you were a drug dealer..." Sx offender and addict burglaries happen all the time. It's not just gangs fighting.
I love it when someone tries to say you can’t hunt with a Military style gun.
Take a Ruger 1022, brand new it has a wood stock.
Buy a polymer stock, and it’s suddenly a Military style weapon.
So... does the color, or material that makes up the stock make it a “Military Style “ weapon?
You should correct this false information in your next video in order to not spread miss-information, thank you.
no. Bump stocks are legal. the gunmen bought his weapons legally. Joe Rogan makes false statements in this video and he should correct them.
what kind of a name is that zombie place.... you one of those places where zombies congregate?
what kind of a name is Ronin? you one of those samurai without lord or master during the feudal period?
THE GUNS WERE LEGAL. Semi-auto weapons equipped with Slide ?Fire "bump stocks". New invention available since 2010. They are not considered automatic because he used bump fire stocks. you can order them online right now if they were not sold out because of the shooting raising awareness of their existence. bump fire stocks have been available for anybody to buy at gunshops and online since 2010. they cost $100-$400. You can own an equivelant of a machine gun for $1200 including the ar-15 itself that you attach the slide fire "bump stock" to. HERE IS A VIDEO. ruclips.net/video/I6BFarrICWs/видео.html HER IS A LINK TO BUY ONE FOR $250: www.gunbroker.com/item/705511652
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yikes only took you a month to come up with that shitty joke
If you do research there are sketchy things that don't add up. But don't even consider looking at it logically and objectively if things make sense. Listen to the exact story the media tells you and have an emotional impulsive rejection response to someone for even considering questioning anything about the event.
All of these weapons were illegal- False
You shouldn't be able to just walk in and buy firearms like this- False, doesn't work like that
These guns were converted over to full auto- False, he used bump stocks that you don't even need to be 18 to buy
Full auto weapons are illegal everywhere- False, it requires a class 3 tax stamp which, if you even know what that is, they are difficult to obtain
The big problem is the gun show loophole- False, gun shows do the same background testing as any firearm or sporting goods store will
Firearms need to be treated and regulated the same as cars- True and False, firearms are tied to the original purchaser but its only a paper trail throughout secondhand purchase. In most states, you are required to take a safety course to purchase a firearm. Cars are more regulated than firearms and they kill an exponential amount of more people per year.
The "good guy" shooting a "bad guy" doesn't happen very often- False, according to the CDC, there are between 500,000 and 3,000,000 lives saved every year in America with firearms.
People buy a firearm and are not equipped to use it defensively- True, in my state, you are only required to have a background check and get fingerprinted to obtain a CWP. When I renewed mine last time, there was a young girl getting hers who didn't look as if she had ever fired a weapon in her life and I couldn't imagine them knowing what to do if the time arose.
Very little truth to what was stated but also a lot of "facts" from someone who has no info about firearms but plenty of opinions and false info.
I was just cringing everytime that dude spoke. He has no idea what he’s talking about. I’ll always be annoyed by people that don’t own guns, but try to put words into gun owners mouths. “We’ll I don’t any but my buddy-“ nobody cares. You don’t know what you’re talking about
I think Alonzo doesn't realize just how common semi-automatic weapons are. He said something along the lines of "Don't tell me you are using a semi-automatic weapon for hunting.", I grew up in rural Nebraska and semi-automatic weapons were used for hunting just as much as bolt actions and repeaters. Not so much for deer hunting but coyotes, raccoons, fox and other fur bearers were almost always taken with semi-automatic weapons.
It's not the bill of wants or needs but the bill of rights. Nothing this guest proposed would have changed anything.
_Rights_ are a fiction.
Hasu definitely not. There are limitations placed on the government. The whole purpose of the Second Amendment is to give our other rights proverbial teeth so that they can be enforced lethally if necessary.
Fail. It would prevent all the things he said it would prevent. This particular incident was not included in that. But you know that right, being intelligent an' all?
You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
When has prohibition ever worked?
Here in Maryland I had to take a 16 hr Gun Safety Course. I also had to do a field day where I had to demonstrate safe gun handling as well as the ability shoot down range. As well as take a written test. Once I went to buy a gun I then had to get federal background check before hand. So in my opinion, there are checks and balances in place for buying a gun. We can make laws until we're blue in the face. but bad people are going to always be able to get their hands on guns no matter what laws are in place.
Especially if someone has a completely clean record before hand and something switched which is what it looks like from this guy Steve but I could be wrong.
That’s ridiculous u had to do all that. I buy firearms every year and I do the background check and take my firearm home. I was raised in a family that always had firearms and my dad taught me to shoot before I was ten.
That is unconstitutional, and you were happy to do it. Moron.
I really can't believe they don't question the gov or the media. Just believe whatever the television tells you
The problem is, "some people just want to watch the world burn." And there's really not much you can do about it, unless you can control the way people interact with each other. You can't control parents abusing their children, you can't control people from getting into altercations, you can't control people from being born mentally ill and it all boils down to: this shit is going to happen and has always happened throughout Human history/future. Unfortunately, there is no solution.
Dude I know this comment is from five years ago, and you are totally right about mental health be the most difficult to control the effects , but yeah you can do something about it, difficult their access to guns, I’m a psychologist and trust me when I say, difficulting their access to weapons is the better short and long term solution, that’s what Austrália did, and as specialist in mental health not in gun owning.
5 years ago this comment was made and there hasn’t been a slightest change…
he left a suicide note at the hotel ... its content isnt being released for reasons unknown.....
lobomuerto11 He shot himself in the head
Idiot
ItsStyla I used to think the same, but then I realized it wouldn’t have been possible because he opened fire through the door at the security officer. Security officer was still conscious and breathing, communicating with the police until they arrived. He would have stated he saw an additional suspect(s) leave the room. Now I know a lot of hotel room have interconnecting hotel rooms, but none of that information has been brought to the table. There was a video a guest who had the same exact room a year prior. It did not show that type of arrangement with connecting rooms.
thatcuriousguy becuase it says I'm a rich men who has done everything except kill poor people. So before I die I'm taking some of these sorry poor fucks with me. This is why its not being shown, since it would start the Reformation of alot of laws and it might be the end of crony capitalism.
How do you know the paper on the table is a note??????
No offense, but you guys speak pretty ignorantly on this topic. Why not bring someone in who knows a lot about guns?
I think that is the problem. Gun enthusiast think they are the only people allowed to have an opinion on guns. Its bias either way.
Yeah, they should've brought in fukking Asam Ali Hassad and his terror-gangsters! On your side bro! High five!
Ps; Don't forget, 9/11 was a hologram and Stalin was the reincarnation of Jet Lee.
Thank you! Exactly! And these idiots wanna take our guns!? Smh
+Leo D No that's not the problem. Alonzo Bodden just misinformed A LOT of people because of his ignorance. If you're going to be pro gun control at least know gun laws and about guns in general otherwise you fuck things up for everyone else. I'm glad Joe was checking and correcting him on things, but I honestly would've just changed the subject because Alonzo had no idea what was he was talking about. I mean they're talking about changing laws and they aren't experts on guns? What kind of sense does that make? How do you solve a problem when you know nothing about the subject? In the end you only fuck things up even more.
that makes no sense to me,,,why do I need to know a lot about guns to agree that they should be kept track of as well as cars?
that's not a gun knowledge thing, that's about keeping track of weapons
now, can I ask why that's a bad idea? liability insurance? isn't a gun a better weapon than a car? I can at least hear a car or see it coming, I hear a shot, it's too late and I can't see a bullet and run out of the way
how about this: is a gun a better weapon than a dog?
cause I have to buy liability insurance for my pit bull
If you think gun owners don't have a problem with registration you don't really know any gun owners
Semi-auto + bump stocks are actually fully legal.. crazy.
Wow this guy is clearly in a position to talk about guns
even though I disagree with him not owning guns doesnt mean you have to shut up or not have an opinion you jerk. Imagine how many topics in the world you could shut down debate on by claiming "well you dont own it or use it so shut up". COnsidering so many things such as guns can effect and destroy peoples lives who dont own them EVERYONE is allowed to have an opinion about them. Jack ass!
what a fucking retarded thing to say
AR15s are popular with hog hunting.
Your argument against them is based on emotion.
Here's what I have to say, I hope you read this Joe, I'm schizophrenic, previously psychotic and in Australia I get a lot of help and our government puts a big emphasis on mental health, there was a time where I was bad enough that if I had access to guns like America, I WOULD have killed one or many people! But the help I got through the system brought me back to life and "normality" and now I'm light years from that head space. Mental health is the real issue, but the amount of people in Australia compared to the US is crazy so I don't know what you could do to start some mental health program, but my theory is the more people the more help that can be offered right? I just want to testify that government led mental health programs and medicine can change lives for the better, and thanks for having non biased discussions about these topics. Mental health is the issue, but guns make the situation dramatically worse.
Alonzo has a scary amount of trust for the government.
Driving is a priviledge that can be taken away. Owning a gun is a right afforded to us by our constitution. That's the difference.
Delta Blue become a felon and that will change quickly.
1 first, Disarm the public using false flag incidents.
2 second, Martial Law
Your Welcome =)
Better not say that you'll get labelled a paranoid "Conspiracy Nut" who wears tin foiled hats. A shame you can't even slightly question things now without being labled what I just said.
Agenda 21
None of that happened. 😆
Boofer T. Washington no, they got everyone to lock themselves away, instead. Cheaper than getting an army to do it🏄🏽♂️
1:55 no it shouldn’t, a senseless tragedy should never be used as an opportunity to infringe on our natural born rights as American citizens..
If your going to talk about guns at least know a little about the subject
1: By far most mass shootings are done by handguns
2: 3% of all gun deaths are done by ALL rifles, far less by semi auto rifles.
3: Gun deaths in America have been steadily going down steady for the last 20 years. While at the same time the number of guns increases.
#1 Maybe so, but it is the rest of the shootings that take lives in 2 digits
#2 We are talking about all guns in general for this discussion. Lets make the legal work a bit more thorough for the bad guys to be able to take advantage of it
#3 is a blatant lie. For any industrialized nation, we are losing far too many people to gun violence, and more so than before.
you also forgot to mention 90% of mass gun deaths re done by white people.
steven sparkz true
Red XJ #3 is most likely false
I disagree with you Mr. Bodden. The gun laws we have already make fully automatic guns illegal. There is no such thing as the gun show loophole. For a private gun sale, you become a felon if you knowingly sell a gun to a prohibited person. Check the ID and permits of the person you're selling/buying from first. There are already laws in place in most states that require training before carrying a handgun. It's not a free for all in most states.
Also, to your point about why we need semi automatic magazine fed military style rifles; it's to defend ourselves and others we love from violent criminals who are already willing to break the law. These people are dangerous, and I need every tool possible to ensure the safety of my loved ones.
Thank you for sharing your opinion, even if we disagree. Have a nice day.
hhwhitewolf009 I'm not sure what you mean. How is there a gun show loophole? If you buy or sell a firearm from a felon, then you become a felon. Here in Minnesota, you can't buy or sell handguns without a permit to purchase. You can sell/buy non-military style long guns without a permit at age 18, but everybody I've ever done business with has asked to see a valid permit to purchase before conducting the transaction. I've also had multiple people tell me "they lost their permit, but it's all good I'm legal." It's always a scam. Cops are patrolling the websites and gun shows looking for people that make those illegal transactions, and arrest they're sorry asses.
So, if you could, elaborate on your point please?
What does this mean? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole
Steve C it means you become a felon if you sell a gun to someone who's prohibited from buying one.
Every person has been victimised by society in some way. Some people are so full of rage and hate that they choose to get revenge. This isn't that hard to comprehend.
This guy violated the #1 rule. Thou shalt not kill.
Rule made by whom? By this metric, most leaders have violated the 1st “commandment”.
Murder is fine when done in mass numbers. Just ask Bush.
Then ask God to pray for Merica.😂
So sad RIP 😥😥
What?
"Aint nobody invading your house if you're an average american with a 2 bedroom in the suburbs"
This is not an argument. Part of the reason nobody is likely going to invade their house, and the part of the reason that these houses in the suburbs usually don't even have a fence, is because of the second amendment. I've heard way too much of that happening in Europe and it's happened to my own family.
Plus, the whole idea here is that you being able to safeguard your family is an inalienable right.
All I can say as an example of a someone who grew up in a European country (Ireland). I grew up in a suburb, we didn't have a gun or even lock our door and we were never burgalled in 22 Years. I can only give my own anecdote. I think using Europe as an example of lack of stability or safety is a bad comparison given the statistics also.
Conor Mahon I grew up in Greece. Lived in a suburb of Athens. Burglars broke down our door early in the morning with my dad in the house. They left as soon as they saw my dad but what does that matter? Pieces of shit could have had a gun and an in a moment like that who knows what could have happened. Herd similar stories all the time. We have a steel fence and a large door with many locks.
Conor Mahon The right of self preservation is very important in my opinion.
I am saying we don't have the second amendment or a fence and we were fine. I'm saying the gun or the fence don't protect you but nobody having any guns except for organised gangs and special police units does help. Because gangs don't break into ordinary people's homes.
Kostas1601 this is actually a perfect example. In America, your dad would have had a gun and so would the intruder. Someone would be dead or permanently messed up. Thank God in Greece there are less guns. I would rather lose my door than kill another man even if he was a piece of shit.
Joe named the rare 1 time when somebody stopped a bad guy with a gun😂
Terrorism requires a political or religious motive.
nah. definitions change.
It doesn't mean anything anymore. If you get scared seeing your shadow. Your shadow is now a terrorist.
Can’t kind a coincidental right 2016 Trump wins the election by a landslide 2017 you have a Democrat net job go to a patriot country concert it was premeditated and I’ll tell you right now we saw what happened that night yeah we’re not just want shoes they were two or three because they were shooting from different areas you can’t tell me this guy was running from one room to across the other room within two minutes and they were several people at the concert saying that there were so much shooting from the ground and all of a sudden he’s individuals disappear within one year gonna tell me this is not a cover-up it was definitely a terrorist attack from within
So we should have a test before we are able to buy a gun similar to a drivers test? How much do you want to bet that the Vegas shooter would have easily passed that test? The guy knew how to modify his guns. He had optics, bipods, and your favorite, slam-fire stocks. An aptitude test will definitely not prevent events like this from happening. This is an absolutely stupid argument. Any individual that grew up with guns in the family would pass that test regardless if he had mental issues or not. You can also develop mental issues later on in life, long after you have passed your "test." What you really are asking for is a Minority Report society. I hope you rethink this issue because I used to really enjoy your podcasts.
Dustin Korpi he had over 40 hubs though, no one should be allowed that
+Wtf Truu Why not?
Because if you limit a shooters ability to cause mass damage in a short amount of time, you limit their ability to kill. The victims have more time to escape and you reduce the numbers of deaths. I think we all know that sick, evil people exist and there is no law outside of banning all guns, rounding them all up, melting them all down, etc... literally all of them, and vigilantly making sure that any gun that pops up is removed. But that's ludicrous. There's no way we could pull that off and I don't really want to live in that society. But if we can at least inhibit a person's ability to mod legal weapons into illegal weapons, we can reduce the damage which is at least something. I'm not a gun control expert but surely doing something like that mixed with some money in mental health would go a long way in saving lives. There's no way we could've stopped this attack but it's possible it could have been minimized. That's my my opinion though, who knows.
I understand what you're saying. What if guns were completely banned? The guy could have applied as a bus driver and driven a bus full of people off of a bridge, killing himself and all of the people on board. I just don't see how banning guns or gun components will solve the problem.
I just want to point out that this guy had a pilots license. I'm pretty sure someone like him with a nearly perfect criminal record and mental health record could have gotten any gun he wanted. Especially considering he was fucking filthy rich. Money is power and money can get you just about anything.
hey that's kind of catchy "It's time to take the handle on our gun problem."
This guy had absolutely no idea what he was talking about 50% of the time he opened his mouth lol. He should've just been quiet and let Joe walk through it
Ar -15 is a armalite rifle no where near a military style rifle.
Not to mention he makes it seem like it's just a cool collectible. Unfortunately in America they're a necessity for defense in some situations, when you're less equipped then your enemy or those wanting to hurt you, you will often lose aka die
Did you serve?
@@jimgritty7064 no,commen knowledge.
@@stonedalien3259 ok, mr armchair commando.
I'm not anti gun but how can that be true when the M16 and it's derivatives were literally adapted from the AR15 what's the effective difference between an appropriately equipped AR and an M4?
I've been thinking about this the last few years as this is happening more and more. I think it's kind of weird that we always just assume that people are not going to try and hurt us. We get into a taxi because it's yellow and the light is on, but there is nothing stopping that cab driver from killing, kidnapping, or sexually assaulting us. Just because they have a picture on the dash that says their name does not mean we are safe. Just because a cop has a badge on does not mean they are a good person. Just because the restaurant got an A+ on their health check doesn't mean you won't get poisoned by the chef when he has a nervous breakdown because his wife slept with his cousin, and slips some bleach into the orange sauce.
Even before we had guns people did not just immediately trust that you have good intentions. People are an enigma, and until we have insight into an individuals thoughts we'll never be truly 100% safe. But how much freedom should we sacrifice for safety? There is risk in everything you do, every day. Life is about weighing risk vs. reward, if we stop going to concerts, the terrorists win. I think it's too easy to get a drivers license, a car is a tool, but a tool can be a weapon too. We definitely need some change, and no solution is going to be 100% effective. But if we just do something we may see some change, anything is better than nothing. We talk about this every time it happens, yet nothing ever changes.
Anderson Silva sounds a bit different.
I hate when people talk about guns, gun control ECT when they know nothing about guns or the constitution
Same I just think it’s funny
Can you please have spmeone on thats knowsxguns snd gun laws before you speak on this again
B GerK Did you see Colion Noir on it was great
Can you go back and take 2nd grade english before you comment?
B GerK I would assume Rogan knows most federal and state laws regarding guns considering he has a permit and owns a gun.
How familiar are you with gun laws?
B Gerk can you STFU?
"This is exactly the time to talk about gun control"
"These weapons were illegal in the first place"
Thanks for proving the point of _why_ it was too soon to talk about it. The facts weren't all in. Now we know the weapons _were_ legal, so now we actually have something to consider for regulation. Before we had the facts, we didn't.
"Do you have to be like, political to be considered a terrorist?"
YES! YOU DO! Again why having facts is important to having a productive conversation about a complicated issue.
Alonzo explains how he would use a gun registry to round up illegal guns. Then thinks his friend who doesn't was a registry is crazy because the government isn't coming for his guns. WHAT?!?!
An unbelievable horrible event.... but the info below just blew my mind... wtf?
Artist : Robbie Williams.
Track : Me and my Monkey.
*(Excerpt from lyrics)*
We made tracks to The Mandalay Bay Hotel,
Me and my monkey
With a dream and a gun
I'm hoping my monkey don't point that gun at anyone.
We got the elevator, I hit the 33rd floor
We had a room up top with the panoramic views like nothing you'd ever seen before.
Me and my monkey, Don't point that gun at anyone, Me and my monkey, Like Billy The Kid, Trying to understand why he did what he did.
We went to play black-jack, kept hitting twenty three,
(There's more, google it)
holy shit
whoa..woke
There is no middle ground. 2nd Amendment means everyone owns guns just like people with a typewriter or twitter.
Joe failed me on this. I don't mind some regulations Wich we already have, but we don't need government more in our lives.
Far too much "I'm not an expert...." and weed logic for this to be listenable.
Time to talk about guns? WE NEED MORE GUNS AND FLAMETHROWERS....
gun registration doesn't work and is very expensive. just look at Chicago
cjr4497 just look at Australia no mass shooting in 22 years
Oh and remember, when the constitution was written, muskets were what they had in mind.
Victor Savo So you are saying that modern weapons shouldn't be banned because the second amendment didn't specify the details and damage caused by modern weapons?
Dorje Dradul Are you comparing the damage caused by knives and guns? So a guy with a butcher knife could walk into a concert and kill 59 people and injure 527? One is a hell of a lot easier.
Nahh Fam
Yeah, they were so stupid, they never thought technology would get better...
Or, you're an idiot for suggesting that.
+Nahh Fam 84 people were killed in the Nice Terror attacks by a Delivery Truck. Should we take away peoples right to drive too?
+mhotl Gun control legislation does not eliminate gun violence deaths, but as a matter of fact, it reduces gun violence deaths. My Life, Liberty, and persute of happiness "trumps" your fantasy of being a wanna-be pseudo soldier.
You get in your car in the morning and head to work. Some teenager starts texting, wrecks into you and now you're not going home. It's totally random. The messed up thing is anyone can buy a smartphone these days.
This by NO means citizens should be refrained from owning guns to protect themselves;you should be able to. It is a right! But how are you gonna stop maniacs from doing shit like this. You simply can't stop people from doing shit like this. It is virtually impossible. Still does't make it right to take away our civil liberties which are built upon this great country.
How do you stop maniacs from doing shit like this? I don't know, have police everywhere ready to stop an active shooter within minutes?
Until you come to reasons you will learn it the hard way. Good luck with the mass shootings to come.
because gun laws stop gun violence... such an ignorant approach. So we start making laws to make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to buy a firearm.
damn rest in peace man, just people trying to enjoy life.
P S , Joe , followed you for years ... But this is a 1 sided unrealistic argument , very disappointed in you on this ..
so fuck off then?
Rogan has no spine. Typical yes man
Qwerty Asdfg I think he only has no spine when he doesn’t fit YOUR narrative.
Qwerty Asdfg shut up pussy boy
Mental health problems are a problem of our specific society. Privacy lends to loneliness.
Why do ignorant people always try to conflate guns with cars? First off, I have a constitutional right to own a gun...I dont have a constitutional right to own a car.
2nd, why do i have to register a gun with the govt...that to me is an immense invasion of privacy.
Third, having to take classes? And what about the people who cant afford it? it is against the law to put an undue burden on people to exercise their right...if its undue to make someone get a fucking ID to vote, its undue to make people attend classes to own a gun
That's fucking bullshit ... Americans have the right to defend themselves and their homes and families... period.
The ignorance is strong with this one
Your commitment to stupidity (when it comes to guns) is impressive...!