I genuinely really appreciate Leutin's approach of taking the lore "with a modicum of seriousness" as he puts it. 40k's writing is so often blindly written off as dumb and bombastic that the parts of it that are genuinely very well-written and logical are never considered. Its part of the reason that meme-interpretations of factions become so prevalent that people start to believe they are completely accurate.
Sadly i think this is due to politics. Theres like that 0,01% of 40k fans that unironically like the more opressive side of the Imperium, so then the other 99,99% of fans overreact by treating it all like a massive satire thts just there to be silly, and while the memes are good, alot of nuance and interesting serious lore is lost because no one wants to be seen taking 40k too seriously. Wich is sad, because we all grew up seeing people acuse every game of being satanic, or seeing people get bullied for being too nerdy. Taking lore seriously and getting super into it shouldnt have any stigma to it. And i love Luetins vids for it
@@aloaloings5596AdRic directly advertises itself as a podcast that focuses on entertainment over accuracy. If people take everything they say as the objective truth thats their own fault.
One thing Leutin almost touched on about the censure of Sergeant Thiel, all Ultramarine Sergeants now paint their helmets red in his honor for his foresight. Glad to finally see some Ultramarine love.
The REAL LOREMASTER of WH40K! Forget that Fascist Four-Tuna guy who has an FB page for his right-wing sycophants, slandered Bricky, called other Fan pages as "Soy" and used a dying man for his sinister plan to get voted last year as an "Influencer of 40k".
Imagine if Depressed Calgar had been in Space Marine 2. Stepping off the ramp looking like a retail employee called into work on his day off Trudging through Chaos with his eyes half-open, reflexively shooting them. Walks up to Titus and goes, "What"
@@crusader1033While he has Cato Sicarius in toe who constantly squeaks about his glory and mocks Titus for falling so far from grace. Titus,thinking:" *groan*, I felt happier in the Deathwatch..."
Honestly I have never seen the whole "They are SUPER codex compliant and kinda boyscouts" as a bad thing. When every other chapter around you is something unique, being "vannila" yourself is in of itself is being unique. That's like hating on superman for being just a generaly good guy when you looks at him on the surface compared to other heroes. Just an alien who grew up in a loving family and wanted to do good to others.
People wouldnt care about it if the lore would give others some shine more often. Like when was the lastime that the White Scars or Salamanders got to be relevent?
it's not about them being vanilla, it's about the ice cream parlor trying to shove vanilla in your face constantly like it's the only flavor you should care about
@@TheKnizzine in general? White scars have been appearing more in books. Josh Reynolds have been putting em more in stories. And salamanders have been getting some love with the recent animations from gw. I'd say chapters part of the original legions that could use some more attention is iron hands and maybe raven guard. But that's just the loyalists. That's not even going into the chaos war bands or non ultramarine successors.
I really vibe with Luetins take on the Ultramarines. Any other chapter would go into a suicidal crusade to redeem themselves, like half the damn Primarchs did. But the Ultramarines just exist in the setting, they didnt all go off into the warp to kill every last traitor, they remained, grew, worked with other chapters, and overall became better and better marines, they redeemed themselves by doing their job instead of going into an emotion driven revenje plot So much so that it doesnt define them, they arent known as the redemption seeking guys, its there for sure, but its subtle, at most you find it in a banner and you can infer it, and thats the best part imo. They are that dependable friend who is going trough some shit but isnt making his whole personality about it, he looks and acts like a nice good person even when shit is going down. Oh oh another tiny detail that could reinforce this idea, the Ultramarines might look too samey to actually have the sort of emotional flaws that other factions have, but when Guilliman met them, they were deeply ashamed of losing a war against a specific Xenos race, Guilliman prioritised planning and defeating that species ASAP, because he knew the legion was underperforming due to the stress and shame of that defeat. So it adds this little aspect, that the Ultramarines arent just straight and reliable because they are just built dfifferent, it is because they manage their flaws and emotions, theres clearly effort put into them being reliable and stable, they visit Ultramar on their spare time, etc etc. They become more human with details like these.
My favourite bit in TTS is that the Emperor jumps to the "ugh, blueberries" conclusion and tries to send them off on impossible suicide missions - which they absolutely flex on, 'cos they _really are that good_.
You guys have got to get Luetin on again for special occasions. I love Kirioth for his fun arms and armour talks, and Luetin for his way of getting you to think differently about the setting. What an absolute power combo of knowledge and insight.
They should really throw us a Curveball and have a Kirioth and Luetin ONLY podcast. Have DK and Bricky break in at the end having finally escaped the Bondage Shy tied them up in to finally get a "Competent" Podcast episode.
Having a relatively surface-level understanding of things, I generally think of the Ultramarines as the chapter that cares about more than fighting, in a way to compare-and-contrast with the Salamanders. The Salamanders have a philosophy of self-sufficiency, every brother a craftsman, while the Ultramarines are about structure and governance, ruling hundreds of planets in Ultramar.
My favorite thing about that sergeant that got censored is that after the Heresy and him being proven right the Ultramarine sergeants all wear red helmets in honor to him
One thing ive never heard mentioned is that they also set up Talasa squad, or the 6 classes you play as in Operations/Eternal war, to set up the fact that not every ultramarine is a cookie cutter rules lawyer. You've got the cheerful Valius, to the vicious Decimus, to the UBER serious Straban, all Ultramarines, yet all very different from one another and constantly egging each other on. I always appreciate the contrast.
Nice Guest invite for this. Luetin is practically the best lorekeeper on RUclips. I only say "practically" because in my opinion he's second only to Bladermort. But I like stories slightly more than i like dissertative Lore (but I do love Luetin's delivery, because it sticks when he says it. He's great for my mnemonic devices)
While I've mostly gotten over it now, I did have a huge axe to grind with him over his defense of Dawn of War 3 in regards to lore and such, but despite that yeah he's def top tier
28:09 That Target exclusive "Space Marine: The Board Game" with the Titus mini will definitely help. Only $40 and you get a character and twenty termagants. The first game personally led me into buying GW miniatures. ...and this podcast led me into collecting Night Lords!
The conversation on what you guys said of what space marines should be featured in the next game got me thinking. They should set up space marine 3's campaign was set up in a way similar to 2000's call of duty or gears of war 3 was set up narratively. In that, you do the 3 player coop campaign, just switching from different perspectives between chapters in one overarching campaign. Imagine if you start out as crimson fist holding out against big incursion of orks of seemingly innumerable numbers. Then, switching to white scars on a vehicle bike section. Getting rid of vehicles and boarding, then destroying seige weaponry. Then going to blood angels for a counter offensive and killing where they think the war boss is at and committing a *bloody* surgical strike to him. Would be a very awesome concept if executed properly.
Black Templars are my favorite chapter because they were forged during the Siege of Terra, they are the Imperium's Trauma made manifest, now that Luetin's explained the "Our presence remakes the past" motto Ultramarines are now my second favorite chapter, love the idea that they live in the shadow of the Siege and are trying to make up for not being there in the present.
Been enjoying Luetin a lot this year, so happy to see the crossover. I also really appreciate Bricky's point about needing the Ultramarines as a baseline. I've been collecting Space Wolves since 3rd ed, and half of the fun of them is comparing their weirdness to the idealized Space Marine that the boys in blue represent. I also feel some solidarity for them as a fan of a faction whose reputation has been marred by tired memes and shallow jokes. Even if they aren't my favorite space marines, I still enjoy hearing that they are someone's favorite.
Im afraid I'm finally caving in. I listened to this podcast for 3 years, resisting. But, now i have my first mini. Painting is the last thing that could save my wallet by being unbearable, but aside from that... may the Emperor have mercy.
Good luck, have fun! There's ways to do the building/painting part on a budget, GW stores have a Free Mini of the Month (while supplies last). Some hobby groups and shops also host paint days and swap meets.
>Just wait till you see what Erebus does in the End and the Death. They *just* read Horus Rising, they read betrayer, and somehow they are in no way prepared for the levels of fuckery that Erebus can sink to.
A recent Alpha Legion story had a Chaos Alpha Legionnaire musing that he's heard rumors of loyalist Alpha Legionaries still fighting for the Imperium in the shadows. Would be interesting!
I thought what happend to the tyranids at the middle part of SM2 was Team B killing the Hive Tyrant which shorted out the other nids like we have seen what happens when we kill Tyranid warriors surrounded by hormagaunts
That's what happened with the majority on the surface but the rest of the Tyranids in orbit would still be alive at least, it would just take a while for it to create a new Hive Tyrant to coordinate the ground forces. So just some off-hand comment about how the Tyranids were becoming stalled enough for them to be able to deal with Imurah would have been appreciated.
I really wish for SM2 DLC to have other chapters have a short story. Blood Angels idea sounds amazing and Dark Angels are more likely to get a story since they're first on the block for custom armor
Let’s be honest, UMs were gonna be the poster boys for 40k no matter what. When you want a blank slate as a starting point for fans to make their own characters/chapters, most of the loyalist legions simply have too much baggage. The ones with gene flaws are defined by them in a way that, while awesome, can’t be ignored when making your own; while Templars and iron hands have a… distinct culture and aesthetic that’s limiting as well. And yellow is a nightmare to paint, so the fists are out.
Do an Ullanor Crusade episode. Of all the conflicts in 40K this one arguably had the widest ripples. It set the stage for the Heresy, it is where the Emperor left, it caused the wars for Armageddon, it caused the War of the Beast, Ghaz, etc.
Ohhhh, the Mechanicum Menial who gets incinerated doing his job!!! That rings a bell, not sure if I read that one too or just heard about it. I've started Re-reading Gaunt's Ghosts recently though, and that's made me think of the very first chapter of the first book where the crews of two smallish (like B52 sized?) space Interceptors are doing a patrol sweep and have to stop and hang around for a bit to relay a MEGA important Astropathic transmission, and about halfway through they get ambushed by Chaos ships and the captain does his absolute best to keep his ship alive long enough to finish the message, and then the moment it's done he's like "Well we're done for, so it's time to take as many of these bastards with us as I can."
"I was on this planet 600 years ago, over there is a good place for defenses, Bill." "I'm Frank, Bill was my great, great grandfather." "Sorry Bill, I couldn't be bothered to look down enough to see your face."
I always love hearing people's takes on the reach of warhammer. As someone who is VERY involved with the IP, the numbers of people getting into the hobby at some level are truly staggering
"What about people getting back into the Warhammer"I played 2nd to 5th editions and have a Dark Angels, 30, now illegal, Terminators and 20, probably illegal, tactical, 10, probably illegal, metal devastators, and 10, probably illegal, metal scouts, a Razorback (is that still even a thing?) and a Land Raider. My Nids are probably still all legal but none of them are painted . . . and most of them don't have arms . . . and non of the even have a base coat . . . and the metal Hive Tyrant NEVER didn't fall in 2. I think GW now has rules that I wouldn't be allowed to play in the store anymore.
Playing in official stores is mid in my opinion anyways find an lgs with custom terrain and have fun with legends and printed models about half my over 2k points of nids is printed and ive never gotten any slack even when playing in an official gw store
Luetin completely changed my interpretation of the Ultramarines and now they're all the better for it - now when DK says it later in this ep, I'm extremely doubtful it's true and not just "yeah me too *guffaw*"
I'm glad Guy Haley's "Pharos" was one of the first Ultramarines books I read. It was also a great classic Nightlords lore book. Featuring a group of scout soldiers in training, in way over their heads, during a Nightlord invasion, and a very haphazard escape while being trained on the go, while weaving through an aerial space ship dogfight. Another very unique feature was a group of imperial guards all roasting each other around a campfire which was a cool change of pace to see that level of humanity in a 40k novel, and made great additional low powered point of view characters struggling through a really horrific massive scale Nightlord attack.
You guys should really feature oculus imperia in an episode. what really got me back into 40k were his videos and style of in-universe archivist and researcher. And he's something of an OG that's been overlooked in the lore community.
Mephiston would curb stomp Tigurius, and you mentioned Malcador, he would break both of them like children. Malcador put Horus on his ass hard with a flick of his wrist.
It's been a long time since i last watched this channel... glad to see you lot are still going strong and that shy hasn't horus'd you two out of existence 😂
Surprised Lutin wasn't depicted as a Ultramarine. Honestly, I gained respect for UM's after listening to *Dark Imperium* **many** times. If someone said "you have to have UM army" I'd go with 4th company- I like green 😊
an army of two type of game with a Dark Angel and a Space Wolf could be REALLY funny (but would be really melee oriented) or an Iron Hand and a Salamander ... there would be real tensions concerning civilians casualties
23:30 There was a PS3 CO-OP game like that already. You play as a pair, an old human and an a female elf, where the human is the one that plays like a warrior with Sword and Shield with a back-up crossbow and the elf used mostly bows that fired so fast they were basically guns with backup dual swords. The point of the game was to kill some dude possessed by a silver liquid and at the end, if you drank said silver liquid, the one with the most kills ends up becoming possessed and kills the other one.
Now they need to do another episode like this, but for the Dark Angels. Specifically talking about the Legion more, and certain parts of it like how the Hexagrammaton and various Orders could temporarily take command over regular Legion officers if needed, as well as the Dark Age weapons they had.
The speed at which Leutin speaks is amazing. Both Bricky and Dk talk slower for about ten seconds everytime he finishes a longer monologue. Try it yourself, read a random sentence out loud at your natural pace, then repeat but slow it down by 5-10%. It gives you time to think and people pay attention for longer. Everything is faster these days including our speech.
Calgar actually have a trilogy (two books so far, but still). They are some of the best Black Library books I've read. Especially the first one, Calgars Siege
Praise be to the Lore god gracing my other favorite podcast with his presence! I shall be blessed with the Luiten sleep club soon! (Please if y’all can bring him back I love hearing Luiten just talk with all of you guys! You all play so well off of each other!)
Speaking of Space marine 2. Any one else catch the interaction between the Admech and the Blinded menial worker? That was messed up even by 40K standards.
Blood Angels would be a great option, because you can do some really trippy segments of the Black Rage setting in. You're fighting the last boss and surprise! they're now Horus.
Ultramarine being the prodigy child that still obsess over the failed exam in 3 grade even 50 years later make them so relatable, they need to be perfect and think people will only remember of that one time they failed
Deathwatch would provide more Chapter varieties than just focusing on a single chapter. Though you would than need to justify why they're fighting Chaos when they should be focusing on Xenos.
Aeonid Thiel and Remus Ventanus are probably my 2 favorite named marines. Aeonid for the aforementioned reasons and Ventanus for how instrumental he was to the Ultramarines survival at Calth both at the outset and in the underground war that followed. Also Ventanus, a company captain, showed more insight then a primarch (I'm looking at you Fulgrim, when he decided the obvious xenos blades, the athame, were dangerous and not to be messed with.
In regards to the table top stuff I loved 9th Ed. I played 10e for about 3 months and just, stopped. Recently we began playing 9e again and I’ve been having such a good time with the game again.
The Horus Heresy, and the Imeperium Secundus arc more specifically, are what made me a fan of the Ultramarines. And to Luetins point, the Chaos chapters assaulting the Solar System literally based their entire assault plans around getting it done before Guilliman and the Ultramarines get there. In "The Solar War", during the very first phase of the assault, Aximand attacks a fortress that is taking too long to fall since "The Ultramarines were coming." Guilliman is entirely haunted by the fact that he managed to get distracted with the thought that the Emperor is dead while the Emperor was in fact still alive, which caused him to be too late in getting to Terra and fail to help keep the Emperor alive. For all his ability to plan, for all his theoreticals, far all his ability to actually execute his practicals, Guilliman failed in the one that was most important to him.
I did a super chat in one of Charlies streams and asked about 40k, he said that he purchased some necrons, he got some thousand sons (including Magunus) and he even got some Stormcast for AOS
3rd through 5th player, dropped out came in for end of 9th. Absolutely miss flyers being cool, imperial guard being cool. The prevalence of initiative and leadership. Force orgs made sense to me. Detachments are cool as hell though. Played spacemarine 1 a while ago and waiting for 2 to go on sale. The constant rule changes in 10th are pretty daunting. They should have 2 different gamesets. The combat patrol simplified and simple rules, (not simplified army) and then a more complex version for experienced players.
Honestly having every chapter of the game have a new hero from a different chapter of astartes to introduce new people to the vauge concepts of the original loyalists would have been very cool. And it would add variety as they each have a mission based around that chapters specific specialty.
Battletech has a new ruleset called Alpha Strike which is a different, less complicated game that allows quicker (and bigger) battles. Sounds like 40k could use something like that.
*_Lore for the lore god._*
*_Books for his throne._*
*_Let the galaxy learn._*
*TZEETCH CULTIST SPOTTED*
*speaks into Vox* I have found them brother… Bring the flamer.
Tzeentch when he is feeling lazy and just decides to rip off khorne's dogma but give it his own flare
Let the galaxy learn does sound kinda cool
Spoiler alert!
The galaxy didnt learn
I genuinely really appreciate Leutin's approach of taking the lore "with a modicum of seriousness" as he puts it. 40k's writing is so often blindly written off as dumb and bombastic that the parts of it that are genuinely very well-written and logical are never considered. Its part of the reason that meme-interpretations of factions become so prevalent that people start to believe they are completely accurate.
That is what I love Luetin for the most, and rank him as no1 for me
Sadly i think this is due to politics.
Theres like that 0,01% of 40k fans that unironically like the more opressive side of the Imperium, so then the other 99,99% of fans overreact by treating it all like a massive satire thts just there to be silly, and while the memes are good, alot of nuance and interesting serious lore is lost because no one wants to be seen taking 40k too seriously. Wich is sad, because we all grew up seeing people acuse every game of being satanic, or seeing people get bullied for being too nerdy.
Taking lore seriously and getting super into it shouldnt have any stigma to it. And i love Luetins vids for it
Honestly the memes is what made me hate the Orks
Zoomer humor is atrocious (90% of this podcast) Leutin keeps it real
@@aloaloings5596AdRic directly advertises itself as a podcast that focuses on entertainment over accuracy. If people take everything they say as the objective truth thats their own fault.
One thing Leutin almost touched on about the censure of Sergeant Thiel, all Ultramarine Sergeants now paint their helmets red in his honor for his foresight. Glad to finally see some Ultramarine love.
I think I actually said that lol, it must have got cut in the edit ... SHY
@Luetin09 well then all is forgiven. Except for SHY.
Anything with Luetin Includes Ultramarine Love. In the best of ways.
Ladies and gentlemen, we got the lore master Luetin!
Now we just need amber king and baldermort to come on
HAIL THE LOREMASTER 🎉🎉🎉
😪😪😪 SLEEP GANG UNITES
Anyone else remember when he was a Battlefield youtuber with like Jackfrags and LevelCap?
Loremaster Lutin the Librarian
The REAL LOREMASTER of WH40K!
Forget that Fascist Four-Tuna guy who has an FB page for his right-wing sycophants, slandered Bricky, called other Fan pages as "Soy" and used a dying man for his sinister plan to get voted last year as an "Influencer of 40k".
Imagine if Depressed Calgar had been in Space Marine 2.
Stepping off the ramp looking like a retail employee called into work on his day off
Trudging through Chaos with his eyes half-open, reflexively shooting them.
Walks up to Titus and goes, "What"
MOOD KINDRED
"Lord Calgar!"
". . what do you want."
God I’m glad they got over that storyline relatively quickly lol.
Or tts Calgar walks up screams at Titus and punches leandros.
@@crusader1033While he has Cato Sicarius in toe who constantly squeaks about his glory and mocks Titus for falling so far from grace.
Titus,thinking:" *groan*, I felt happier in the Deathwatch..."
finaly after 10k years he is here, we march for macrage
And we know no fear!
Robot Grugruman, Lord of McRage.
We float for Maccrage!
Smurfs
Honestly I have never seen the whole "They are SUPER codex compliant and kinda boyscouts" as a bad thing.
When every other chapter around you is something unique, being "vannila" yourself is in of itself is being unique.
That's like hating on superman for being just a generaly good guy when you looks at him on the surface compared to other heroes.
Just an alien who grew up in a loving family and wanted to do good to others.
It's important to have a "default" so you can contrast the other chapters against them to see how weird they really are.
People wouldnt care about it if the lore would give others some shine more often. Like when was the lastime that the White Scars or Salamanders got to be relevent?
@@TheKnizzinedude, my Sallys. 😢 Not cool.
it's not about them being vanilla, it's about the ice cream parlor trying to shove vanilla in your face constantly like it's the only flavor you should care about
@@TheKnizzine in general? White scars have been appearing more in books. Josh Reynolds have been putting em more in stories. And salamanders have been getting some love with the recent animations from gw. I'd say chapters part of the original legions that could use some more attention is iron hands and maybe raven guard. But that's just the loyalists. That's not even going into the chaos war bands or non ultramarine successors.
I really vibe with Luetins take on the Ultramarines. Any other chapter would go into a suicidal crusade to redeem themselves, like half the damn Primarchs did. But the Ultramarines just exist in the setting, they didnt all go off into the warp to kill every last traitor, they remained, grew, worked with other chapters, and overall became better and better marines, they redeemed themselves by doing their job instead of going into an emotion driven revenje plot
So much so that it doesnt define them, they arent known as the redemption seeking guys, its there for sure, but its subtle, at most you find it in a banner and you can infer it, and thats the best part imo. They are that dependable friend who is going trough some shit but isnt making his whole personality about it, he looks and acts like a nice good person even when shit is going down.
Oh oh another tiny detail that could reinforce this idea, the Ultramarines might look too samey to actually have the sort of emotional flaws that other factions have, but when Guilliman met them, they were deeply ashamed of losing a war against a specific Xenos race, Guilliman prioritised planning and defeating that species ASAP, because he knew the legion was underperforming due to the stress and shame of that defeat. So it adds this little aspect, that the Ultramarines arent just straight and reliable because they are just built dfifferent, it is because they manage their flaws and emotions, theres clearly effort put into them being reliable and stable, they visit Ultramar on their spare time, etc etc. They become more human with details like these.
Bricky: “HEAR ME OUT. WOLFENSTEIN - BUT WITH SISTERS OF BATTLE.”
Hear*
My favourite bit in TTS is that the Emperor jumps to the "ugh, blueberries" conclusion and tries to send them off on impossible suicide missions - which they absolutely flex on, 'cos they _really are that good_.
“HOW IN THE ACTUAL FUCK”
My favorite part is how the regular Ultramarines are very eager to serve but are called assholes by everyone else
*begins the Ultramarines Chant!*
When everyone is a snowflake, I'm glad we have vanilla boyscouts - thank you rowboat girlyman for SETTING the STANDARD
And after a point he just genuinely gets tired of shitting on them.
You guys have got to get Luetin on again for special occasions.
I love Kirioth for his fun arms and armour talks, and Luetin for his way of getting you to think differently about the setting. What an absolute power combo of knowledge and insight.
They should really throw us a Curveball and have a Kirioth and Luetin ONLY podcast. Have DK and Bricky break in at the end having finally escaped the Bondage Shy tied them up in to finally get a "Competent" Podcast episode.
@@justinlast2lastharder749 That would be genuinely hilarious
Having a relatively surface-level understanding of things, I generally think of the Ultramarines as the chapter that cares about more than fighting, in a way to compare-and-contrast with the Salamanders. The Salamanders have a philosophy of self-sufficiency, every brother a craftsman, while the Ultramarines are about structure and governance, ruling hundreds of planets in Ultramar.
My favorite thing about that sergeant that got censored is that after the Heresy and him being proven right the Ultramarine sergeants all wear red helmets in honor to him
Luetin as Blueberry Dante is an inspred choice. Excellent crossovers recently.
Blueberry Dante?
Wtf are you talking about. Get rid of this dumb comment
One thing ive never heard mentioned is that they also set up Talasa squad, or the 6 classes you play as in Operations/Eternal war, to set up the fact that not every ultramarine is a cookie cutter rules lawyer. You've got the cheerful Valius, to the vicious Decimus, to the UBER serious Straban, all Ultramarines, yet all very different from one another and constantly egging each other on. I always appreciate the contrast.
This is such a banger episode!! Can’t wait for PancreasNoWork to come on next to have some crazy Eldar discussions!!!
True, would be a banger
It’s just bricky holding them at gunpoint making them talk bad about the knife ears
@@johnb3587 if anyone is holding someone at gun point, than its Shy😂
You say that as if our Insulin Lord wouldn't like that
I mean, you have Lorecrimes if you want PancreasNoWork on a Warhammer 40k podcast.
Nice Guest invite for this. Luetin is practically the best lorekeeper on RUclips.
I only say "practically" because in my opinion he's second only to Bladermort. But I like stories slightly more than i like dissertative Lore (but I do love Luetin's delivery, because it sticks when he says it. He's great for my mnemonic devices)
Baldermort, but it's ok. I am not such a big fan anyway.
Honestly I would put Oculus Imperia up there as well
I really love the meta-lore aspect that Arbitor Ian brings
While I've mostly gotten over it now, I did have a huge axe to grind with him over his defense of Dawn of War 3 in regards to lore and such, but despite that yeah he's def top tier
Aint no way you called my man Bladermort
They keep slamming on Heresy Guilliman, I really wish they would read Know No Fear and get to see Guilliman at his peak
Yeah annoying they talk shit about OG Gman when they haven't even read his best books
Somehow, some way, we will get the book club to read Know No Fear
28:09 That Target exclusive "Space Marine: The Board Game" with the Titus mini will definitely help. Only $40 and you get a character and twenty termagants. The first game personally led me into buying GW miniatures. ...and this podcast led me into collecting Night Lords!
YEAAAAAAH. LETS GOOOOOOOOO!!! (I'm probably still joining the "Lutein sleep club" 15 minutes into the video)
Even in sleep, my watchtime still serves
YUSSSS LUETIN SLEEP CREW!!
Luitein sleep club on top 🔝
I can NOT wait for the dwarf episode. Khazukan Kazakit-Ha! Baruk Khazâd, Khazâd ai-mênu! Strike the earth! Rock and stone!
Also DK you better talk about chaos dwarves too
LUETIN! THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, ALWAYS AWESOME!!!
And now, back to SM2 PvP
As a long-suffering Deathwatch player, thank you for giving our struggling faction a bit of a spotlight here. That was really nice :)
The conversation on what you guys said of what space marines should be featured in the next game got me thinking.
They should set up space marine 3's campaign was set up in a way similar to 2000's call of duty or gears of war 3 was set up narratively. In that, you do the 3 player coop campaign, just switching from different perspectives between chapters in one overarching campaign.
Imagine if you start out as crimson fist holding out against big incursion of orks of seemingly innumerable numbers. Then, switching to white scars on a vehicle bike section. Getting rid of vehicles and boarding, then destroying seige weaponry. Then going to blood angels for a counter offensive and killing where they think the war boss is at and committing a *bloody* surgical strike to him.
Would be a very awesome concept if executed properly.
They should make it the war for Armageddon
@@israelgarcia8859 I would see that as a flashback DLC. Indomnitus crusade seems to be gws focus
White scars MENTIONED!!!!
Black Templars are my favorite chapter because they were forged during the Siege of Terra, they are the Imperium's Trauma made manifest, now that Luetin's explained the "Our presence remakes the past" motto Ultramarines are now my second favorite chapter, love the idea that they live in the shadow of the Siege and are trying to make up for not being there in the present.
All the energy of two delinquents and a college professor. Great work
Love you guys 💙
Edit: and the Battle Sister VR game is fun! Felt like a spiritual successor to space marine
I agree, wish I could get the faith abilities in the last bastion mode though.
Good. Something had to. SMs own successor is a travesty of gameplay. Can't believe it actually turned out this bad...
Been enjoying Luetin a lot this year, so happy to see the crossover. I also really appreciate Bricky's point about needing the Ultramarines as a baseline. I've been collecting Space Wolves since 3rd ed, and half of the fun of them is comparing their weirdness to the idealized Space Marine that the boys in blue represent. I also feel some solidarity for them as a fan of a faction whose reputation has been marred by tired memes and shallow jokes. Even if they aren't my favorite space marines, I still enjoy hearing that they are someone's favorite.
I've seen lots of new fans get into the hobby from SM2, it's really cool seeing this surge of popularity, we must help these new brothers and sisters!
Im afraid I'm finally caving in. I listened to this podcast for 3 years, resisting. But, now i have my first mini. Painting is the last thing that could save my wallet by being unbearable, but aside from that... may the Emperor have mercy.
Good luck, have fun! There's ways to do the building/painting part on a budget, GW stores have a Free Mini of the Month (while supplies last). Some hobby groups and shops also host paint days and swap meets.
Very nice! Which model?
@Jormyyy Just a regular marine captain. I like the Fists, so I'll try to do that.
@@danielkrejcar9104 hell yea nice! Enjoy it!
Ayy y'all's finally did a Ultramarine legion lore
Edit: I was wrong, justs talk about the Ultramarines now.
>Just wait till you see what Erebus does in the End and the Death.
They *just* read Horus Rising, they read betrayer, and somehow they are in no way prepared for the levels of fuckery that Erebus can sink to.
The Man, The Myth The Luetin.
Alpha Legion would make a great focus for a video game - so many possible cool mechanics, Metal Gear but Warhammer
That sort of infiltration is more Raven Guard's shtick.
Alpha legion would run somewhere akin to the hitman series
@@chronovacRaven guard they are flankers the aplha legion are the metal gear fans.
A recent Alpha Legion story had a Chaos Alpha Legionnaire musing that he's heard rumors of loyalist Alpha Legionaries still fighting for the Imperium in the shadows. Would be interesting!
@@chronovacNot exclusive though. Also Alpha Legion perspective is infinitely more interesting than the goth cardboard personality legion
I wish they had isyander & Koda for another episode
Another, there was a first?
@@woaddragon sorry I miss spoke
Still though, I'd be so down
Isyander is the more knowledgeable one, so he fits more into that collab.
But yes, both of them in it would result in a really good episode.
Yes please!
Luetin starting the podcast sounding like he's the host 😂
" today we're going to talk about space marine 2..." followed by a question 😂
Luetin said he'd be brief on why he likes Ultramarines....I was expecting two sentences.
well on his videos he does admit his "slight tangents" last over half his runtime.
7:26
Trilogy??????
BRICKY.....VENTRIS HAS 7 BOOKS
Bricky believe that being in the warp kills you, despite reading a book saying otherwise. You believe he would remember?
100,000 guardsmen dying on a worldwide battle while 1,000,000 soviets died at Stalingrad alone is a good way to see the scale problem
I thought what happend to the tyranids at the middle part of SM2 was Team B killing the Hive Tyrant which shorted out the other nids like we have seen what happens when we kill Tyranid warriors surrounded by hormagaunts
That's what happened with the majority on the surface but the rest of the Tyranids in orbit would still be alive at least, it would just take a while for it to create a new Hive Tyrant to coordinate the ground forces. So just some off-hand comment about how the Tyranids were becoming stalled enough for them to be able to deal with Imurah would have been appreciated.
@collecter343 tho I thought the Hive fleets got destroyed when we turned the canons back on
Leutin mentioning Erebus did in End and the Death is absolutely hilarious 😂
I really wish for SM2 DLC to have other chapters have a short story. Blood Angels idea sounds amazing and Dark Angels are more likely to get a story since they're first on the block for custom armor
hell ye Dick Hay DaMantis, Briggey, Shiy and Looting. best day ever
Briggey Orkoid Aight, Qooite Shiy, and Looting Zoo Neen :p
Let’s be honest, UMs were gonna be the poster boys for 40k no matter what.
When you want a blank slate as a starting point for fans to make their own characters/chapters, most of the loyalist legions simply have too much baggage. The ones with gene flaws are defined by them in a way that, while awesome, can’t be ignored when making your own; while Templars and iron hands have a… distinct culture and aesthetic that’s limiting as well. And yellow is a nightmare to paint, so the fists are out.
Do an Ullanor Crusade episode. Of all the conflicts in 40K this one arguably had the widest ripples. It set the stage for the Heresy, it is where the Emperor left, it caused the wars for Armageddon, it caused the War of the Beast, Ghaz, etc.
Ohhhh, the Mechanicum Menial who gets incinerated doing his job!!! That rings a bell, not sure if I read that one too or just heard about it.
I've started Re-reading Gaunt's Ghosts recently though, and that's made me think of the very first chapter of the first book where the crews of two smallish (like B52 sized?) space Interceptors are doing a patrol sweep and have to stop and hang around for a bit to relay a MEGA important Astropathic transmission, and about halfway through they get ambushed by Chaos ships and the captain does his absolute best to keep his ship alive long enough to finish the message, and then the moment it's done he's like "Well we're done for, so it's time to take as many of these bastards with us as I can."
The Calgar comic was actually really cool.
"I was on this planet 600 years ago, over there is a good place for defenses, Bill."
"I'm Frank, Bill was my great, great grandfather."
"Sorry Bill, I couldn't be bothered to look down enough to see your face."
I always love hearing people's takes on the reach of warhammer. As someone who is VERY involved with the IP, the numbers of people getting into the hobby at some level are truly staggering
when Luetin said "It will be brief", I heard his opening theme play in my head.
"What about people getting back into the Warhammer"I played 2nd to 5th editions and have a Dark Angels, 30, now illegal, Terminators and 20, probably illegal, tactical, 10, probably illegal, metal devastators, and 10, probably illegal, metal scouts, a Razorback (is that still even a thing?) and a Land Raider.
My Nids are probably still all legal but none of them are painted . . . and most of them don't have arms . . . and non of the even have a base coat . . . and the metal Hive Tyrant NEVER didn't fall in 2. I think GW now has rules that I wouldn't be allowed to play in the store anymore.
official stores sure, and even then it prolly depends!~
Playing in official stores is mid in my opinion anyways find an lgs with custom terrain and have fun with legends and printed models about half my over 2k points of nids is printed and ive never gotten any slack even when playing in an official gw store
Sure, those models are old, but actually, all of them are currently playable units. Thow them on slightly larger bases, and you're good to go.
Luetin completely changed my interpretation of the Ultramarines and now they're all the better for it - now when DK says it later in this ep, I'm extremely doubtful it's true and not just "yeah me too *guffaw*"
The Lore Master is in the house!
You guys got me into the setting and now I’m building my first ever miniatures listening to you.
I'm glad Guy Haley's "Pharos" was one of the first Ultramarines books I read. It was also a great classic Nightlords lore book. Featuring a group of scout soldiers in training, in way over their heads, during a Nightlord invasion, and a very haphazard escape while being trained on the go, while weaving through an aerial space ship dogfight. Another very unique feature was a group of imperial guards all roasting each other around a campfire which was a cool change of pace to see that level of humanity in a 40k novel, and made great additional low powered point of view characters struggling through a really horrific massive scale Nightlord attack.
Another awesome episode. Thanks again for more wonderful 40k lore and fun
You guys forget that trators join deathwatch for redemption and their connections with inquisition, so many great story potentials
Watchmasters, we shall continue our watch, the deathwatch shall never fall
You guys should really feature oculus imperia in an episode. what really got me back into 40k were his videos and style of in-universe archivist and researcher. And he's something of an OG that's been overlooked in the lore community.
A fellow Ultramarine player! I to picked them because I really liked the color scheme when I was in high school.
Mephiston would curb stomp Tigurius, and you mentioned Malcador, he would break both of them like children. Malcador put Horus on his ass hard with a flick of his wrist.
It's been a long time since i last watched this channel... glad to see you lot are still going strong and that shy hasn't horus'd you two out of existence 😂
Smashed the like button 2 seconds in because I know this is going to be a great episode! Can't wait to fall asleep to this tonight :D
25:18 The cultist is named Theredor Yheng and she worked under a Word Bearer!
I hope she returns, epic character
Surprised Lutin wasn't depicted as a Ultramarine.
Honestly, I gained respect for UM's after listening to *Dark Imperium* **many** times. If someone said "you have to have UM army" I'd go with 4th company- I like green 😊
an army of two type of game with a Dark Angel and a Space Wolf could be REALLY funny (but would be really melee oriented)
or an Iron Hand and a Salamander ... there would be real tensions concerning civilians casualties
Finaly ! After all those years ! We have THE collaboration ! Love it !
That little drop at the end about to end and the death. THEY DONT KNOW
I would not be opposed to a battlefield/helldivers 2 style game with the sisters of battle as the main force
23:30 There was a PS3 CO-OP game like that already. You play as a pair, an old human and an a female elf, where the human is the one that plays like a warrior with Sword and Shield with a back-up crossbow and the elf used mostly bows that fired so fast they were basically guns with backup dual swords. The point of the game was to kill some dude possessed by a silver liquid and at the end, if you drank said silver liquid, the one with the most kills ends up becoming possessed and kills the other one.
Gotta say, I have a new perspective on why Ultramarines are the way they are now. Great episode!
God Luetin was such a good addition to the podcast, you guys gotta do more episodes with him ASAP!
Now they need to do another episode like this, but for the Dark Angels. Specifically talking about the Legion more, and certain parts of it like how the Hexagrammaton and various Orders could temporarily take command over regular Legion officers if needed, as well as the Dark Age weapons they had.
That admech that got roasted was dawn of fire book 1, Avenging Son lol
The speed at which Leutin speaks is amazing. Both Bricky and Dk talk slower for about ten seconds everytime he finishes a longer monologue.
Try it yourself, read a random sentence out loud at your natural pace, then repeat but slow it down by 5-10%.
It gives you time to think and people pay attention for longer. Everything is faster these days including our speech.
22:53 I can confirm that the Sisters of Battle game is awesome!
Calgar actually have a trilogy (two books so far, but still). They are some of the best Black Library books I've read. Especially the first one, Calgars Siege
Praise be to the Lore god gracing my other favorite podcast with his presence! I shall be blessed with the Luiten sleep club soon! (Please if y’all can bring him back I love hearing Luiten just talk with all of you guys! You all play so well off of each other!)
My favorite two things to listen to while I sleep combined. I'm sleeping good tonight.o
I’m loving the SM2 character customization. I put in a bit of white scar love and made my sniper a mantis warrior.
"Mood brother!"
- Robute Guilliman to Ciaphus Cain after Cain unknowingly confesses his imposter syndrome and trauma dumps on the Primarch
Justice for Ultramar! COURAGE AND HONOR BROTHERS
Calgar got a marvel comic about his origin and early life
Speaking of Space marine 2. Any one else catch the interaction between the Admech and the Blinded menial worker? That was messed up even by 40K standards.
Blood Angels would be a great option, because you can do some really trippy segments of the Black Rage setting in. You're fighting the last boss and surprise! they're now Horus.
Damn now i can listen to adeptus ridiculous while i go to sleep as well, lessgoo!!
Ultramarine being the prodigy child that still obsess over the failed exam in 3 grade even 50 years later make them so relatable, they need to be perfect and think people will only remember of that one time they failed
Deathwatch would provide more Chapter varieties than just focusing on a single chapter. Though you would than need to justify why they're fighting Chaos when they should be focusing on Xenos.
A Chaos invasion occurs while purging xenos
Aeonid Thiel and Remus Ventanus are probably my 2 favorite named marines. Aeonid for the aforementioned reasons and Ventanus for how instrumental he was to the Ultramarines survival at Calth both at the outset and in the underground war that followed. Also Ventanus, a company captain, showed more insight then a primarch (I'm looking at you Fulgrim, when he decided the obvious xenos blades, the athame, were dangerous and not to be messed with.
BEHOLD, THE LOREMASTER HAS ARRIVED! THE EMPEROR PROVIDES!
Ok hear me out Remember Battlefield V story mode? OK NOW PUT IT IN SPACE MARINE GAME SPINOFF LIKE 8 STORIES OF THE PRINCIPAL CHAPTERS
Given that Bobby is the only one who's come back.I think it's appropriate that his theme song should be.I'm still standing.
I’ve always wanted an Assassinorum game. Like Hitman, but with bolters.
In regards to the table top stuff
I loved 9th Ed. I played 10e for about 3 months and just, stopped.
Recently we began playing 9e again and I’ve been having such a good time with the game again.
The Horus Heresy, and the Imeperium Secundus arc more specifically, are what made me a fan of the Ultramarines. And to Luetins point, the Chaos chapters assaulting the Solar System literally based their entire assault plans around getting it done before Guilliman and the Ultramarines get there. In "The Solar War", during the very first phase of the assault, Aximand attacks a fortress that is taking too long to fall since "The Ultramarines were coming." Guilliman is entirely haunted by the fact that he managed to get distracted with the thought that the Emperor is dead while the Emperor was in fact still alive, which caused him to be too late in getting to Terra and fail to help keep the Emperor alive. For all his ability to plan, for all his theoreticals, far all his ability to actually execute his practicals, Guilliman failed in the one that was most important to him.
I did a super chat in one of Charlies streams and asked about 40k, he said that he purchased some necrons, he got some thousand sons (including Magunus) and he even got some Stormcast for AOS
3rd through 5th player, dropped out came in for end of 9th. Absolutely miss flyers being cool, imperial guard being cool. The prevalence of initiative and leadership. Force orgs made sense to me. Detachments are cool as hell though. Played spacemarine 1 a while ago and waiting for 2 to go on sale. The constant rule changes in 10th are pretty daunting.
They should have 2 different gamesets. The combat patrol simplified and simple rules, (not simplified army) and then a more complex version for experienced players.
As someone who started playing in 3rd edition: Space marine 2 certainly drew me back even more.
Honestly having every chapter of the game have a new hero from a different chapter of astartes to introduce new people to the vauge concepts of the original loyalists would have been very cool. And it would add variety as they each have a mission based around that chapters specific specialty.
Battletech has a new ruleset called Alpha Strike which is a different, less complicated game that allows quicker (and bigger) battles. Sounds like 40k could use something like that.