Paras and Marines... Their just absolute warriors ive got a mate who was in 3 Para and my ex brother inlaw was a marine.... Both are made of sum serious metal man.... Great podcast guys!!
One thing I regret about being in a line infantry unit is what you talk about with being Royal Marines, you all have each other's back and are trusted to do your job.In a regular infantry unit like Mick says you get dreggs in there who don't care so you're always being treated like kids, constant kit checks etc. Plus there was tons of bullying and inter-company in-fighting
I did 12 years infantry, Royal Hampshire Regiment. I think we were a good unit. I served from 1978-1990. Op Banner was my only campaign, plus back end of Corporate (Sough Georgia, 1982). We had fierce rivalries (Glosters, Devon & Dorsets). But I felt we were close knit. I’ve huge respect for Para and RM. In my experience, my battalion kind of peaked and troughed. And that started with the CO. In 1986 we had an ex-22 CO. Regiment was considered for some form of close support for 16 Air Assault. So that was a thing for us. I did NIPG with A lot of Para and RM. And the guys ai knew there were not what you’d have expected. We spent a fortune at Silvermans in the early 1980s. Kit was shit. I remember it all knowing coing off in Southsea near the old RM museum. Pompey civvies wanted a piece of a small group of RM in a local pub. There was no Cdo in residence. But we were on leave of KAPE tour. So about 10 of us got involved in that. Best of luck to you both. I found civvy st difficult. I moved to rural France. I love nature. Solitude. My transition was horrendous. Homelessness. Oddly I teamed up with an ex-RM and an ex-Scot’s Guardsman. Absolute crackling lads. But we were on the brink. I’ve got a partner now. I mountain bike. To forestry maintenance. Got our animals. MoD has to get transition right. Take care lads.
#wonder #royalmarines #militarytraining #completecommando #nato #royalmarines please deal with there hostile or deliberately frightening quality or manner. #RSM THEY NEED TO SAY SORRY TO THE STREET
Really valuable stuff here about looking after yourself in the forces. I don't think there are many other more demanding roles physically, so you're the guys to learn from. Thanks for taking the time to record and upload.
Don’t know about anyone else but I didn’t have a clue about regiments and different roles you could do. I just turned up at the careers office and said giz a job ha ha. Had to get away from my home environment as prison was definitely looming if I didn’t join up. Done that dodgy test and I always remember he said infantry for you son. Because I joined in Liverpool he said it’s kings regiment or QLR who are in Germany. No regrets whatsoever and passed training and straight to Berlin. Joined 1993.
@@handsomesquidward5160 hi I stayed in until 2006 then got out after a road traffic accident broke my legs. Wished it didn’t happen because I would of stayed in. Happy days they were.
I'm from the 2003 onwards telic herrick era and once you've done those tours, sitting around on camp with nothing to look forward to just doesn't seem right. Add in all your best mates start leaving living their best lives and it gets depressing fast.
Big reason why i got out mate. I felt like i was 'playing soldiers' and not actually doing the job. I looked at my sgt major at the time on exercise and thought to myself, i can't keep playing this shit until i'm his age. Put my chit in the next week and got out. No regrets and loved my time in the corps.
Anyone who's ever personally known both Para's and Royal Marines clearly knows the essential differences between them, and there are distinct differences... and I'm not even referring to training, job roles, combat experience and the like. In that respect, both are trained to do their jobs efficiently, fearlessly and professionally. There is 'almost' always, and this video also adds to this, possibly with the exception of joining officers, a stand-out difference between someone who chooses to be a Para' and someone who chooses to be a Royal Marine and it's to do with their personalities, behaviour, social status, maybe their background and often their relative intelligence... or at least how they use it. Both types of men are absolutely required for their respective roles. I feel quite sure that both Para's and RMs know what I'm talking about if they can be honest with themselves and each other. I, by the way, was in neither but I knew several of each both during and after my own service and I still am friends with men from both units. I've even discussed this with them over a jar or three and they generally, and rather proudly for their own reasons, agree with my assessment. I was a nuclear submariner and electronics technician in the Royal Navy during the 80's and 90's. I feel proud that we Brits have both Para's and Royal Marines among our arsenal of professional military forces. 😊👍💪
Johnny probably one of the most accurate comments on here to be fair to you. I am a former Royal Marine, I served in the 2003 plus era. There is a very mixed Para, Marine, SBS,SAS community in my town so always lots to discuss on Remembrance Day piss ups. I find the discussions over the years pretty much confirm what you say.
Good comment. This of course isn't a blanket statement and there are always exceptions but from my experience Bootnecks are more likely to be middle than working class and usually better educated. A lot of paras are just council estate lads that walked into the army careers office to join the infantry and happened to be fit enough to be pointed towards para. On the whole I'd say paras are more aggressive and ready for a scrap (I mean with fists not on the battlefield.).
I love that you gents are using clubs too! Do your clubs have knurling on them like the RMAX CST ones? I find it difficult to get decent ones in the UK that is why I am using maces at the minute. The Pahlavandles are awesome for prehab and travelling.
Just ask the Attached Arms how they view the respective Brigades. The Commando trained RE/RA etc all say they feel fully embedded, accepted and respected in 3 Cdo Bde ... the Airborne Engineers/Gunners however are all still totally focussed on their own trade and treated as outsiders by the Para Reg. That tells you all you need to know about the differences between the Brigades. I'd rather work with Para's than any other Army unit but they're still odd as fuck.
Both are awesome I've never done the training so I'm not qualified to have an opinion. However.... The Marines do 4 final tests, the paras do 8. Enough said 🇬🇧
I don't think you can just dismiss the 4 Commando tests because it's less of a number than 8. Both sets of tests are arduous and extremely difficult hence the relatively low first time pass rate's. You're always entitled to an opinion mate regardless if you've done the training or not. However i'd maybe read up on both sets of tests first before you were going to 'pick a side'.
I have that T-shirt (Maroon/sky blue font). Given to me by an Airborne warrior, he was given it by another Bootie. When you leave, you gain an appreciation for your brother of another “cover”.
Great video am really thinking of joining the army though the Reserves am the whole time I have been feeling it’s the wrong move and it’s more army Advertising Campaign working on my mind once you watch one or two Special forces video on RUclips the Algorithm starts send you army stuff it’s worked cos some how at age 39 I found my self In listing in Reserves am still waiting on the medical to be sent from my gp so still plenty of time to pull out I can’t understand how my ego or the Psychology is making think I want to join one Reason was the fittest but in you video you both said your never really were work out 🏋️♀️ while inside so that’s out the window n should I be really be working out like am still in my 20s I thought once you go through phase 1 n 2 they stop treating you like kids but you both made clear no that’s part of army life now days and pls can you tell me all your time in the Commandos and army did you ever see black men in the Special forces or that’s just a myth as far as Uk 🇬🇧 or USA 🇺🇸
Great podcast. Bottom line is, combat infantry roles qualify you for literally nothing in civilian life. My advice would be, go into something that will give you a transferable skill to take out with you, be that Army, Navy or RAF. Think ahead. Great saying you've been a Para or Marine, but you need something to offer an employer. Different of course, if you're planning to do the 22, but that's generally rare.
I think the skills developed in combat infantry can be amazing, but they're largely intangible. So you either need an enlightened employer who will understand how the skills can be adapted or at least you need time on the job with the opportunities to demonstrate the skills.
You can do courses whilst you're serving with learning credits. The longer you serve, the better. iirc, once you hit the 6 year mark, you can learn a trade before you leave.
The skills are transferable to the states as a tactical firearms instructer. If the UK had a more direct routine into CT roles, Royal marines should get a direct entry. Its literally turn up and engage targets with agression and no lethal or putting rounds into a target. Our CTSFO's could do with some attached Reg guys and bootnecks. But then again that is just reserved for SF on CT or just reserve SF. Long story short, the infantry roles have their purpose in conflict, but that character coming into Civi street will be more comited, confident and overall more well rounded then someone without millitary disipline.
It's not just a business mate it's an agenda, they want to get rid of the older soldiers who are more wiser and slowly becoming more awake to them just being pawns in their big-game.
It sounds that way to me. And if that is the case it rather undermines the whole concept as he's not gone through Depot Para. So even if he did transfer to Para Reg he's still just a Guard.
Many say Guards P2 is harder than Para P2. He's still a paratrooper. Also depot isn't really any different to ITC, it just involves a few more thrashings to prepare you for PCOY..@@JammyDodger45
Haha not for me mate. Got some rounds down in Baghdad once and thats it. Did time in Basra palace, Al amarah, Baghdad and obviously loads of patrols round shiba log base. Not very kinetic at all. Good times though.
Thank's for your constructive comment Walter. I apologise for it being filmed on a zoom call and the sound not being of studio quality. Also we both speak a northern dialect of English incase you were struggling to understand us.
I knew someone who was in the RAF regiment he could stand toe to toe with either the paras or the marines. He did the five miles of death and didn’t die
Sorry mate it was recorded via a zoom call so it's obviously not the best audio. What makes you think there wouldn't be anything much to be understood?
Some proper lousy pricks in this comment section 😂 how are you British and can’t even understand some geordie. Watched all the way through, you are both very interesting blokes 👍
Both of them are obsolete are in their current form and how they're (under)utilised in reality bears no resemblance to what they do on paper. Even the USMC knows amphibious assaults are not viable against near-peers anymore (if America can't do them, the UK sure as fuck can't either), and the way the Russian VDV got absolutely shredded in Ukraine is the final nail in the conventional airborne coffin - if logic and common sense didn't convince you before. Why not just do something similar to what the Australians have done? Amalgamate the Paras and Marines into one Commando Regiment of at least 2 battalions (yes, the Paras have Commando lineage) that's under UKSF, so they'll have better funding, better equipment, better training, and do special forces missions. Leave the SAS/SBS stuff to the SAS/SBS of course, but there'd no need for SFSG anymore. They can all be parachute trained, still do marine stuff (including nuclear security), but also go further - HALO/HAHO, Scuba, etc. In Afghanistan, Aussie Commandos had a high ops tempo and were out working with SASR, UK SAS, Delta Force, Rangers etc, conducting raids, killing/capturing HVTs, while most Paras and Royal Marines "Commandos" were just being used as infantry, no different to "craphat/pongo" infantry units like 1 RIFLES. Seeth all you like, but you know it's true.
Paras and Marines... Their just absolute warriors ive got a mate who was in 3 Para and my ex brother inlaw was a marine.... Both are made of sum serious metal man.... Great podcast guys!!
Thanks Anson, glad you enjoyed it 👍🏻
@@mattygreencsc Get on mate great stuff that was!!
@Hot Lover Are you speaking from personal experience?
One thing I regret about being in a line infantry unit is what you talk about with being Royal Marines, you all have each other's back and are trusted to do your job.In a regular infantry unit like Mick says you get dreggs in there who don't care so you're always being treated like kids, constant kit checks etc. Plus there was tons of bullying and inter-company in-fighting
I did 12 years infantry, Royal Hampshire Regiment. I think we were a good unit. I served from 1978-1990. Op Banner was my only campaign, plus back end of Corporate (Sough Georgia, 1982). We had fierce rivalries (Glosters, Devon & Dorsets). But I felt we were close knit. I’ve huge respect for Para and RM. In my experience, my battalion kind of peaked and troughed. And that started with the CO. In 1986 we had an ex-22 CO. Regiment was considered for some form of close support for 16 Air Assault. So that was a thing for us. I did NIPG with A lot of Para and RM. And the guys ai knew there were not what you’d have expected. We spent a fortune at Silvermans in the early 1980s. Kit was shit. I remember it all knowing coing off in Southsea near the old RM museum. Pompey civvies wanted a piece of a small group of RM in a local pub. There was no Cdo in residence. But we were on leave of KAPE tour. So about 10 of us got involved in that. Best of luck to you both. I found civvy st difficult. I moved to rural France. I love nature. Solitude. My transition was horrendous. Homelessness. Oddly I teamed up with an ex-RM and an ex-Scot’s Guardsman. Absolute crackling lads. But we were on the brink. I’ve got a partner now. I mountain bike. To forestry maintenance. Got our animals. MoD has to get transition right. Take care lads.
Really enjoyed this video, seems you both have a really clear and enlightened way of thinking about things.
#wonder #royalmarines #militarytraining #completecommando #nato #royalmarines please deal with there hostile or deliberately frightening quality or manner. #RSM THEY NEED TO SAY SORRY TO THE STREET
Really valuable stuff here about looking after yourself in the forces. I don't think there are many other more demanding roles physically, so you're the guys to learn from. Thanks for taking the time to record and upload.
Thanks for taking the time to watch it mate 👍🏻
@@mattygreencsc Time well spent. We all need to look after our knees ^_^
Don’t know about anyone else but I didn’t have a clue about regiments and different roles you could do. I just turned up at the careers office and said giz a job ha ha. Had to get away from my home environment as prison was definitely looming if I didn’t join up. Done that dodgy test and I always remember he said infantry for you son. Because I joined in Liverpool he said it’s kings regiment or QLR who are in Germany. No regrets whatsoever and passed training and straight to Berlin. Joined 1993.
How long were you in?
@@handsomesquidward5160 hi I stayed in until 2006 then got out after a road traffic accident broke my legs. Wished it didn’t happen because I would of stayed in. Happy days they were.
I'm from the 2003 onwards telic herrick era and once you've done those tours, sitting around on camp with nothing to look forward to just doesn't seem right. Add in all your best mates start leaving living their best lives and it gets depressing fast.
Big reason why i got out mate. I felt like i was 'playing soldiers' and not actually doing the job. I looked at my sgt major at the time on exercise and thought to myself, i can't keep playing this shit until i'm his age. Put my chit in the next week and got out. No regrets and loved my time in the corps.
This podcast is hilariously accurate to what I thought a para and a bootneck link up would be like 🤣🤣🤣 great show
😂😂😂😂
Thanks mate
Anyone who's ever personally known both Para's and Royal Marines clearly knows the essential differences between them, and there are distinct differences... and I'm not even referring to training, job roles, combat experience and the like. In that respect, both are trained to do their jobs efficiently, fearlessly and professionally. There is 'almost' always, and this video also adds to this, possibly with the exception of joining officers, a stand-out difference between someone who chooses to be a Para' and someone who chooses to be a Royal Marine and it's to do with their personalities, behaviour, social status, maybe their background and often their relative intelligence... or at least how they use it. Both types of men are absolutely required for their respective roles. I feel quite sure that both Para's and RMs know what I'm talking about if they can be honest with themselves and each other. I, by the way, was in neither but I knew several of each both during and after my own service and I still am friends with men from both units. I've even discussed this with them over a jar or three and they generally, and rather proudly for their own reasons, agree with my assessment. I was a nuclear submariner and electronics technician in the Royal Navy during the 80's and 90's. I feel proud that we Brits have both Para's and Royal Marines among our arsenal of professional military forces. 😊👍💪
Both come from all walks, total bs bud.
I enjoyed working with ex marines....paras🤣🤣🤣
Johnny probably one of the most accurate comments on here to be fair to you. I am a former Royal Marine, I served in the 2003 plus era.
There is a very mixed Para, Marine, SBS,SAS community in my town so always lots to discuss on Remembrance Day piss ups. I find the discussions over the years pretty much confirm what you say.
Good comment. This of course isn't a blanket statement and there are always exceptions but from my experience Bootnecks are more likely to be middle than working class and usually better educated.
A lot of paras are just council estate lads that walked into the army careers office to join the infantry and happened to be fit enough to be pointed towards para. On the whole I'd say paras are more aggressive and ready for a scrap (I mean with fists not on the battlefield.).
I love that you gents are using clubs too! Do your clubs have knurling on them like the RMAX CST ones? I find it difficult to get decent ones in the UK that is why I am using maces at the minute. The Pahlavandles are awesome for prehab and travelling.
He left the guards, and joined Paras , so did P company.? Or went through training then ?
He joined guards went guards parachute platoon (3 para) then fully transferred from guards para into 3 para.
Just ask the Attached Arms how they view the respective Brigades.
The Commando trained RE/RA etc all say they feel fully embedded, accepted and respected in 3 Cdo Bde ... the Airborne Engineers/Gunners however are all still totally focussed on their own trade and treated as outsiders by the Para Reg.
That tells you all you need to know about the differences between the Brigades.
I'd rather work with Para's than any other Army unit but they're still odd as fuck.
Both are awesome I've never done the training so I'm not qualified to have an opinion. However.... The Marines do 4 final tests, the paras do 8. Enough said 🇬🇧
I don't think you can just dismiss the 4 Commando tests because it's less of a number than 8. Both sets of tests are arduous and extremely difficult hence the relatively low first time pass rate's. You're always entitled to an opinion mate regardless if you've done the training or not. However i'd maybe read up on both sets of tests first before you were going to 'pick a side'.
Shame this sounds like it was recorded in an underwater echo chamber. I was looking forward to watching. Get some decent mics.
God is Airborne, because he failed the Commando course.
You're going to take a 1-time Airborne (PARA) drop when you die mate.
Ha ha wtf
No no, not God. You can joke about people, but not God.
Yep he realised he doesn’t surrender😀 hands up, so went airborne
I have that T-shirt (Maroon/sky blue font). Given to me by an Airborne warrior, he was given it by another Bootie. When you leave, you gain an appreciation for your brother of another “cover”.
I liked the bit when the para was talking about Royal being “pristine” and “too clean”….the saying goes “Cleanliness is next to Godliness”! 😜 OARMAARM
Great video am really thinking of joining the army though the Reserves am the whole time I have been feeling it’s the wrong move and it’s more army Advertising Campaign working on my mind once you watch one or two Special forces video on RUclips the Algorithm starts send you army stuff it’s worked cos some how at age 39 I found my self In listing in Reserves am still waiting on the medical to be sent from my gp so still plenty of time to pull out I can’t understand how my ego or the Psychology is making think I want to join one Reason was the fittest but in you video you both said your never really were work out 🏋️♀️ while inside so that’s out the window n should I be really be working out like am still in my 20s I thought once you go through phase 1 n 2 they stop treating you like kids but you both made clear no that’s part of army life now days and pls can you tell me all your time in the Commandos and army did you ever see black men in the Special forces or that’s just a myth as far as Uk 🇬🇧 or USA 🇺🇸
Great podcast. Bottom line is, combat infantry roles qualify you for literally nothing in civilian life. My advice would be, go into something that will give you a transferable skill to take out with you, be that Army, Navy or RAF. Think ahead. Great saying you've been a Para or Marine, but you need something to offer an employer. Different of course, if you're planning to do the 22, but that's generally rare.
That's utter rubbish.
Thousands of Infanteers forge productive second careers after leaving the military.
Your opinion is so utterly outdated.
I think the skills developed in combat infantry can be amazing, but they're largely intangible. So you either need an enlightened employer who will understand how the skills can be adapted or at least you need time on the job with the opportunities to demonstrate the skills.
You can do courses whilst you're serving with learning credits. The longer you serve, the better. iirc, once you hit the 6 year mark, you can learn a trade before you leave.
The skills are transferable to the states as a tactical firearms instructer.
If the UK had a more direct routine into CT roles, Royal marines should get a direct entry.
Its literally turn up and engage targets with agression and no lethal or putting rounds into a target.
Our CTSFO's could do with some attached Reg guys and bootnecks.
But then again that is just reserved for SF on CT or just reserve SF.
Long story short, the infantry roles have their purpose in conflict, but that character coming into Civi street will be more comited, confident and overall more well rounded then someone without millitary disipline.
as someone who is a serving engineer in the royal and is transferring to either the paras or marines i can tell you that your opinion is invalid 😂
It's not just a business mate it's an agenda, they want to get rid of the older soldiers who are more wiser and slowly becoming more awake to them just being pawns in their big-game.
Was he guards para?
It sounds that way to me.
And if that is the case it rather undermines the whole concept as he's not gone through Depot Para.
So even if he did transfer to Para Reg he's still just a Guard.
Many say Guards P2 is harder than Para P2. He's still a paratrooper. Also depot isn't really any different to ITC, it just involves a few more thrashings to prepare you for PCOY..@@JammyDodger45
I think the royal marine course is harder however paras are better warriors
And you're basing that opinion having done both courses I assume?
@@JammyDodger45 basing that opinion on having 20 years experience
@@Scottishdevil98 20 years of experience doing what?
If the answer isn't 'a Bootneck and a Para' then what's your point?
@@Scottishdevil98 In those 20 years, did you do both courses?
In the Falklands didn’t the marines yomp 90 miles in 3 days
I dont know which part of iraq you were in in 2004 but it was 100% rounds down LOL
Haha not for me mate. Got some rounds down in Baghdad once and thats it. Did time in Basra palace, Al amarah, Baghdad and obviously loads of patrols round shiba log base. Not very kinetic at all. Good times though.
Sound isnt great. And that's apart from trying to understand the language!
Thank's for your constructive comment Walter. I apologise for it being filmed on a zoom call and the sound not being of studio quality. Also we both speak a northern dialect of English incase you were struggling to understand us.
@@mattygreencsc Ha ha it was more your ex Para colleague that I battled with. Interesting content though.
I knew someone who was in the RAF regiment he could stand toe to toe with either the paras or the marines. He did the five miles of death and didn’t die
5 miler of death 😂
Ok really
How about making sure the microphone works properly, audio is bloody awful but to be honest I don’t think there was that much intelligible anyway.
Sorry mate it was recorded via a zoom call so it's obviously not the best audio. What makes you think there wouldn't be anything much to be understood?
Some proper lousy pricks in this comment section 😂 how are you British and can’t even understand some geordie. Watched all the way through, you are both very interesting blokes 👍
Mate what sort of attitude is that... Why did you even watch it... The podcast far out weighs the potentially poor sound if any!!
Mike H???
I think Mike H was in laundry troop.
Both of them are obsolete are in their current form and how they're (under)utilised in reality bears no resemblance to what they do on paper. Even the USMC knows amphibious assaults are not viable against near-peers anymore (if America can't do them, the UK sure as fuck can't either), and the way the Russian VDV got absolutely shredded in Ukraine is the final nail in the conventional airborne coffin - if logic and common sense didn't convince you before.
Why not just do something similar to what the Australians have done? Amalgamate the Paras and Marines into one Commando Regiment of at least 2 battalions (yes, the Paras have Commando lineage) that's under UKSF, so they'll have better funding, better equipment, better training, and do special forces missions. Leave the SAS/SBS stuff to the SAS/SBS of course, but there'd no need for SFSG anymore.
They can all be parachute trained, still do marine stuff (including nuclear security), but also go further - HALO/HAHO, Scuba, etc.
In Afghanistan, Aussie Commandos had a high ops tempo and were out working with SASR, UK SAS, Delta Force, Rangers etc, conducting raids, killing/capturing HVTs, while most Paras and Royal Marines "Commandos" were just being used as infantry, no different to "craphat/pongo" infantry units like 1 RIFLES. Seeth all you like, but you know it's true.